Wings of Romulus: Neorexan/Valdore 'The New King'
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The D'Deridex design is basically the application of Tarkin doctrine in Trek.
@Victor Nikolai Really? I thought Imperial 2 had more point defense and a bigger hangar?
@Victor Nikolai I see. Wouldn't be a terrible move if they had escorts to deal with the fighters. Unfortunately we never see them on screen.
No it is far better than the tarkin doctrine you can see a star destroyers coming. You can't see a D'Deridex until it let's you even more terrifying you can't see it after
@@patricksmith9700 and more effective weapons
I'd say the borg cube gets that honour lol.
Love the Valdore! A beautiful ship.
I note that the Galaxy Class Odyssey wasn't destroyed because she was too slow for the more agile Jem'Hadar attack ships; she was destroyed because their phased polaron beams could pass straight through her shields.
Also when those weapons weren't enough they rammed her lol
I think the reason why was destroyed so easily in star trek nemesis is that it was designed to outrun not attack ships like the scimitar and is designed to kill small fighters and cruisers while outrunning large battleships if they don't have there own battleship cover. Similar to a 20th century pocket battleship/battlecruser. Sharnhorst and Graf Spee are a good example
I see it as a P-51, a superiority vehicle without much armour. These big wings could house 6-8 heavy disruptors to just spray fast enemies like the Mustang used to do, with cloak giving a similar advantage to high altitude performance
Your music overpowers your speech towards the end.
The Romulans make the coolest looking ships hands down.
Borg Cubes
@lamarcus A.K.A Night Train the Trucker Griffin no they are like Rom empire.
Not Ottoman, they are more like the Romans than the Ottomans.
D'Deridex is my favourite ship desing in star trek, with Sovereign a very close second.
@Jeremy Robinson The Prometheus was a horrible gimmicky design.
Ah, the Romulan Star Empire... where you only ever have one class of ship for your whole fleet at a time!
The Valdore type is one hell of a sexy design.
It is, but I prefer the t' iiss ship in the original series. It was rather like a submarine.
I loved the D'Deridex, but when I look back I'm a little disappointed in both how and how little the Romulans were portrayed in TNG. But then again I have to admit that for me it was DS9 that made the Klingons cool. The Romulans also received a "re-design" in DS9 which improved their outlook quite a bit, but still it was Nemesis that gave 'em good looking uniforms and bit more "bravado", and on top of that this ship.
The main reason the Odyssey was so easily shot up was that the poloron beams of the Dominion cut right through the Federation shields. And even then they were going to retreat when the Dominium ship used a kamikaze run to destroy the Odyssey.
Exactly. Dominion war era Galaxies, while still glass cannons with shields down, where still one hell of a cannon. Still rather have an Akira but who wouldn't?
@@ironstarofmordian7098 I take a Sovereign over Akira
@@ironstarofmordian7098 Glass cannons? I don't think so. A glass cannon would have exploded in the first volley of attacks. The Odyssey took many hits without shields and kept swinging. She was only destroyed by a suicide run directly for her warp core.
I love these videos
@@ironstarofmordian7098 I would, anything but an akira
It should have been the Valdore in Picard, it would make a lot more sense for the Romulan Free State to have all those Valdores, imagine the cost in materials to build that fleet of new Warbirds for a shattered Emprie.
Kurtzmanjjtrek, nothing has to make sense nor care about lore anymore. Starwars Trek.
It was the Tal’shiar not the Navy. It never made sense for an intelligence agency to operate ships of cruiser class and above especially after the Tal’shiar walked into the Massacre.
The romulans have never gotten nearly enough attention on screen. I hope that changes someday...
Your wish has been granted.
@@slewone4905 I mean... kinda...
Because they work in the shadows. Always a plan within a plan wrapped in an enigma.
I agree! I always thought a Romulan show would be cool. One produced with the idea they are the hero's of the series.
@@slewone4905 In a Monkey's Paw, careful what you wish for, kind of way.
I remember the first time we were introduced to the Romulan Valdore Class Warbirds was in Star Trek:Nemesis during the Battle of the Basin Rift where 2 ships of the Valdore Class fought alongside the Sovereign Class U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-E against the Reman Warship Scimitar and as Worf said 'The Romulans fought with Honor' even though the 2 Valdore Class Warbirds were badly damaged during the battle where one took 3 direct hits from the Scimitars photon torpedoes and another had it's starboard wing blown off which collided with the Enterprise E hitting the bussard RamScoop of her port warp nacelle and did damage to her shields.
The greatest character in all of Star Trek (I was born in 1970. I have the privilege of the long perspective as far as ST is concerned.) is Garak. I sight In The Pale Moonlight as more than enough evidence. "The Romulans will enter the war. And all it took was the life of one Romulan Senator, one criminal and the self-respect of one Starfleet officer. I don't know about you but I'd call that a bargain."
Long perspective indeed! What are your thoughts on the more recent (2010's-present) series?
Fully agreed
I was born in 1870, and watched TOS for the first time on my hundredth birthday. (It was already out, but I hadn't heard of it until syndication). After my 152 years on this earth (about to turn 153 in 2 months), I agree. Garak is the best character I've ever seen on Star Trek.
@@waaagh3203 Well done, lad! Excellent effort! Ok. Quark then....
The Jem hadar were using a more advanced weapons system against the Odessy. According to a producer on DS9 Dominion starship tech was nearly a full generation ahead of the federation and its allies.
'necessity is the mother of invention'
What advanced system? They simply rammed the Odessy.
@@Makeyourselfbig They bypassed the Odyssey's shields like they were non-existant and their weapons were so powerful it tore the hull into shreds, despiylte the ship only being attacked by 3 *fighters.* Imagine if the Odyssey had crossed against a Battleship!
@@Makeyourselfbig after proving that they can effortlessly cut through their shield with their polaron beams. They rammed withdrawing starship which they could have destroyed just as easily with weapons fire to send a message.
I think they called it a phased poleron beam . Which reminds me a little of the weapon of the doomsday machine in tos
Man, I thought the Valdore was an awesome design when she debuted in Nemesis.
Agreed. And honestly, when her captain contacted the Enterprise, offering her assistance against Shinzon was an incredible moment.
@@patricklenigan4309 Second'd on both points (the OP's and yours)
Though the scimitar is my favorite ship the valdore is the best looking ship
the background music..is too...damn..LOOUD!
We March Beneath the Raptor's Wings...
Too bad the Scimitar laid waste to the Valdore and her sister.
By far my most favorite starship design ahead of even the Klingon Bird of Prey.
In the non Canon books, the D'Deridex and Mogai class become the backbone of the split Romulan Republic and the D'Deridex is provided to the Federation as a workhorse research vessel due to its enormous size and singularity power for research computing and acting literally as an entire forward operating mobile base. As a footnote, it is said the Romulans did in fact invent the Klingon Bird of Prey. And as you can see in the video, some of the other Birds of Prey include the Praetorian Class and the Dioxys Class.
i like that idea for the D'deridex because it is such a large and ungainly ship. as for the origins of the BOP. i reckon that both the romulans and klingons lay claim to inventing it. who that truly is. will be a matter for another video.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 would definitely love seeing what a D'Deridex would look like in Federation livery.
@@merafirewing6591 There was an image up on DeviantArt that had such a thing, but now I cannot find it. For it did look pretty sweet!
The Romulan starships are so badass. They represent the values of the Romulan Star Empire. They're made for war. Seeing them dropping their cloak gives me goosebumps
The Valdore and it’s wingspan gave enemies a weakness.
...this is old technology 🤠
That's what I am talking about. The Romulus has the most bad ass spaceships. The Federation has the Ugliest Ships. In my view the Federation has no competition. But the writer keep given the winning to the Ugly side.
the federation ships remind me of a carnival cruise to the carribean
Well to be honest Voyager and Enterprise E are much better looking. I would go so far to say that they are top prettiest ships in Star Trek.
EXCELLENT videos describing the Romulan ships!
Just one problem with your videos...the background music overwhelms what you're saying and it's difficult to pick up the words through it. It's the perfect accompaniment but a bit less volume would be appreciated.
I've watched with subtitles, even if that doesn't get everything right it's easier to hear some of the details. I agree that the background music is overwhelming, but it seems to add a greater sense of drama
2:11
And thats why, in a fleet configuration, you have larger vessels escorted by smaller ones because large ships have trouble with smaller enemy crafts on their own simply by their nature of beeing large and slow to manouver
true, but the Romulans Didn't really have an effective escort, yes they have the Scout ship, but thats quite old and not intended for frontline service, also the romulans don't have the numbers in the way the federation and klingons do. so instead of building a small ship that would maybe equal the jem'hadar. they go with something that can overpower them, as a battlecruiser the Neorexan is agile enough to chase, and has the firepower to overwhelm.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 That would not be entirely correct. Romulans HAD the numbers almost equaling the Federation and possibly surpassing those of Klingon empire. They were just spread into territories uknown for the Federation and possibly heavily involved there and Romulans, by very definition, AVOIDED head on confrontation. They won by subversion and intimidation, not by brawl.
aye its also worth mentioning that the romulans were probably the least willing to take casualties. the senate remains quite divided on the war. by using swarms of attack ships they risk greater casualties. thats why they favored a more survivable battlecruiser... more bang for your buck.
Imagine a D'deridex escorted by two Valdore, doom incarnate 😌
@@MS-vn2pb in the late dominon war they didn't have to imagine it...
The Galaxy class was a designed to be a long duration ship, acting as a diplomatic flagship, science and emergency response. It was also designed for families, meaning luxury and space were a priority....it was never designed specifically for war
She is simply…The Most Beautiful thing to ever leave a Romulan shipyard. Neorexan/Valdore is what a Romulan cruiser Should look like.
The Winged Defender is another example, and imho…the Second most Beautiful thing to ever leave a Romulan shipyard.
Not gonna lie, I'm a big Romulan shill and as such, I'm totally biased but whenever you spot a romulan warbird decloaking in an episode you know you're in for some good drama. I wish the franchise would draw the light on romulans other than roms being those sneaky snarky bastards (even if i love me some some epic snarky lines), i mean, they started something with Telek R'mor in Voyager and it was so nice to get to know a romulan in a more caring and "human" perspective than what is expected from them.
Alidar Jarok from "The Defector" was a good character who showed a gentler mindset, but I always think more of Tomalok. Both Jarok and Tomalok showed that they weren't quite as a dangerous a species as they seemed (although Katsulas didn't get enough screen time), but given their limited screen time compared to the Vulcans I always liked them more
This video made me get this ship in STO. Thanks for another awesome video.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very well done and very informative indeed 👌
Just remember the Galactic Empire has 25,000 Star Destroyers. That's only one class of ship. The amount of firepower the Empire can bring to bear can easily wipe out the Federation, the Klingons, the Romulans, and just about everyone else.
They also have a galaxy spanning empire, not roughly a sector of a galaxy; different weight classes.
@@Sephiroth144 they'll still be beaten back, so cope with that.
I Love this design!!
This is wonderful Just turn the music down so i can enjoy your narrative Great video.
Bad ass videos man. Great job
The man who played the leader of the Romulan senate in Star Trek Nemesis (Alan Dale) is a life long curiosity as I first saw him in Neighbours in the mid 80's when I was a kid and for some reason he has popped up ever since then in all manner of supporting and bit parts all over t he damned planet.
i'am not even a fan of the Trek but i dig the Valdore, saw it on the movie Nemisis when i had to take my Younger brother to watch it Eons ago. i forgot all about till i once again had to take my Brother to the Comic Con in Phoenix Az. i saw the ship, the small one made by some card company and Bought the Green one and the Olive color one.
Amazing what a little diversity and specialization can do in your navy.
Of all Starfleet Vessels, I have always thought that The Galaxy Class Starship is one of the the all time ugliest ships that was ever designed and built.
i love this design.
cut the lower half of the D'deridex, flatten the rest and make it pointy. sleek and sexy.
The Romulans go through all this design rigmarole yet the far more advanced Borg use a simple cube. No wings, pylons or nacelles. Maybe they figured it was simpler to come up with a form of warp drive that negated the need for such appendages on their ships that can be easily blown off in battle. In space aesthetics and streamlining are not required. Better to put everything inside a single hull without bits sticking out.
Function and practicality are all that matters. You cant win a fight with looks.
Thank you for your work.
are more elegant ship, for a more civilized age. not as crude or random as a D'deridex.
I still love the D'Deridex, my favorite Trek vessel. B'rel and Ambassador classes are high on the list too
The ship that can win beauty competitions.
This is my favorite romulan ship after the scimitar
it's hard to hear you with the music in the background
The Romulans get a really cool starship and then...POOF! The new Picard series creates a joke of a ship, that isnt much better than a large shuttle.
You have the best narrator voice...
eh had to stop. Too much wet smacking sounds for me to deal with.
thanks for the research
I really like your video's but have to disagree with the opening part. The galaxy class vessels didn't lose to smaller, more agile fighters. They lost to ships that had a technology that allowed them to shoot right through their shields. The Federations galaxy class ship took on three Dominion ships, and destroyed one of them all while the shields were useless. If the same fight had happened, but the ships shields had been modified to defend against the Dominion weapons, the fight would have been much different. The same goes for when the Cardassian's and the Romulans got destroyed. Their shields were useless... Remember when the Defiant's shields went down because of sabotage? A tiny little Maquis ship could have destroyed it, and would have if not for the fact he wanted to let Sisco and his crew live. that's basically what Dominion ships were able to do.
Feds. Advanced
Klingons. Powerful
Romulus. The marriage of both.
That's why I like to choose them.
In every mod they are present.
Inherently difficult.
And I love it
As do the romulans
Well done . Leave it to the Romulans to re-write the book again .
brilliant informative well edited.
Love that shout out pic of a d'deridex in shipyard from sins.
Excellent! Love the Romulans...my favorite race and EMPIRE! I cannot imagine why you dont have more subscribers? Do you do Patreon?
Specifications for valdore/neorexan/mogai class warbird: length: 604 meters, wingspan: 912 meters, draft: 94 meters, 17 decks, 380 crew, quantum singularity core, cloaking device,two torpedo launchers(400 plasma torpedoes) four heavy pulse disruptors and eight medium pulse disruptors.
Fabulous .
And then their sun goes Nova and they're a broken people who can't threaten shiat on a grand scale.
despite still having a fleet out there somewhere.
The Odyssey was destroyed because the dominion was able to penetrate their shield without effort, and even then they were able to sustain substantial damage, and still able to attempt a retreat before the suicide run.
That same battle goes a lot differently if the federation shielding wasn't rendered ineffective (plot armor the following season).
Awesome work! But the music near the end needs to be turned down
What would happen if it came across the Battlestar Galactica anybody got any opinion? I think the commander of the Battlestar Galactica would be very very worried because he would think he was on the wrong set.
This is easily the best looking romulan ship and doesn't look out of place next to the sovereign class.
Music's too loud.
Goose bumps! awesome how you glorify the romulans!
if there is any faction in star trek that is deserving of glorification it is the romulans.
Indeed :D
The starship you show at 16:47, is spectacular I can find no literature on thsi particular design which I think is spectacular can you shed some ligh? It says Phoenix but non of the ships I looked up as Phoenix look anything like this, they are all ugly while this one is very eye appealing and streamlined with the engines in my opinion where they should be.
6:16 Three Valdores against a Star Destroyer?
16:56 If you remember, Shinzon was a human leading the Remans. A clone brother of Jean-Luc Picard.
thats federation propaganda.
Crikey!
Never mind the maneuverability and the firepower... boy do those new Romulan ships have amazing stereo systems!
Shame that the music drowned out the narration!
thats how they will conquer the federation. by drowning out the dialouge! in all seriousness though, im gonna try to do better in future episodes.
I'm wondering if it's an issue of base. I have no problem hearing you but I'm running cheap speakers so all the base is filtered out. Maybe the people who can't hear you are running subs? Just a thought.
I can't hear the music when your talking. Shhhhhhh....
Those big wings would make one less maneuverable, not more.
Wings of any kind are useless in the vacuum of space.
@@keithallver2450 As wings. But not as mounting points and as balance not to mention if they need to go down into atmo sometimes.
In space a cube with weapons on every face and corner and thrusters on every face is the best design. Or a sphere covered in omni directional engines and weapons So the Borg are way ahead of everyone. In fact the borg have the only sensible design in the series.
Large wings = maneuvering jets away from the ship's center of gravity = better maneuverability. If I remember well physics.
I always thought the romulan deaderidex should hold at least two smaller attack ships in that big open Gap particular the ships that we saw on Enterprise a modern version of those maybe a bit smaller at maybe 80 m long
you'll be happy to know that i have Implemented this in the upcoming episode of 'Battlespace' "Raptors Revenge".
Jesus the music. Tooo loud. I noticed this on your videos. Please look for a way to balance it out more. Other than that I enjoy your videos. Good work.
Ah yes, truly an elegant and beautiful warbird. My personal favorite Romulan design.
Any chance you could do one of these for the Dhelan class warbird? I quite like the design and am curious what thoughts you have on the vessel
You would think you "aquire" the blueprint of the Defiant and make a fleet of them.
6:40 So the Romulans got ahold of the Multi Vector Assault Tech (Promethius) after all
I thought they were weaker than the dderidex ships. That's good to know. I guess the schimatar owning 2 of them and the enterprise e all at once was an impressive feat afterall. I just figured they were class 3 ships, class 4 at best.
depends how you define strength. in terms of raw weapons/ shield power no. she isn't more powerful than a D'deridex that title belongs to the Kerchan. but in terms of flexibility and adaptation she's far more worthy of the modern battlespace compared to her predecessor.
Love the ship and the video, music a bit load at times though
cheers. yeah i do what i can with youtube music but its not ideal.
Venom Geek Media 98 It’s the “volume” at times that is at issue.
@@ebenezer1690 yeah sorry im not that experienced with editing and i can get a bit over excited when recording.
I love some of the details you included here. Could I borrow some of your technical details for a STO RP ship I'm running? We're planning to transfer our Romulan crew to an updated Mogai.
sound awesome. definitely
@@venomgeekmedia9886 awesome, thanks
@@venomgeekmedia9886 do you have a transcript of the Mogai video I may borrow?
Dude, I can't hear you because of your so called backround music. Why do you have to make it so loud?
I never looked at a galaxy class as a massive warship and it absolutely was not designed to be one.. It was a glorified cruise liner with some offensive weapons. The federation navy of that era waging a war would be equivalent of the modern day US coast guard arming and enlisting the Royal Caribbean to wage a war.
true it isn't normally a warship but we see it can quite easily change if it needs to.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 True, star fleet seemed to get quite good at refitting warships during the dominion war.
I love this ship , its my fave .
In the ST narrative, does not the Klingon empire employ a full range of space ships from PT boat size to Capital size?
yes but as a result of doctrine and tactics they overwhelmingly favored small birds of Prey. similarly starfleet had a preference for mid range cruisers.
Next on Wings of Womuwas, dat Womuwan was wewy, wewy wascawwy in his Wawdowe.
8:36 lol @ romulan Zoro / antonio banderas lol
I never realized it looks like top half of d deradex
subscribed and should do the excalibur class battleship or the jem'hadar ships
I always liked the Valdore/Mogai design. Neorexan?
i've heard all 3 names all coming from a variety of sources.
A warbird that can split into three warbirds? I wonder where they stole that idea from!
i can neither confirm nor deny....
Probably some fan-fiction esque design used in the Dr. Who of Star Trek...
Music gets to load.... detracts from the narrator...
Unless I'm wrong I thought this class is called the Mogai.
OK, Now what that the Romulan Sun has gone Supernova and wiped out their Solar System?
also known as the mogai class warbird
Nice data, epic music. Tone it back a bit it's out playing you.
This voice! What is it meant to be?!
Check music volume
Romulan ship designs are basically spaceship porn.
i mean... i can't lie. i wouldn't reject to TMP if it had romulan ships instead...
Antonio Banderas as a Romulan
what UFP class ship is it at 6.16?
More Star Trek ships please!
Put speed on 1.25. Even music sounds better.
I still love the Scimitar class better it was built the same but to a bigger scale which made it an apex predator and I played romulans in Starfleet battles so I kind of know what I'm talkin about