Jim Cornette on WWE TV Ratings In 1996

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  • @giacomogotta2253
    @giacomogotta2253 2 года назад +118

    One thing they didn't mention is how in 1997 they changed the look of Raw, from the cartoonish Monday Night Raw to the more 90's Raw Is War

    • @christophercomitini8619
      @christophercomitini8619 2 года назад +27

      Exactly. Raw in 1996 vs RAW and WAR ZONE on 97 and 98 are two VASTLY different things.

    • @TroystonB
      @TroystonB 2 года назад +6

      ya it was a big event when I tuned into raw that night I was shocked by how much bigger it looked.

    • @rubenarriaga3029
      @rubenarriaga3029 2 года назад +4

      March of 97

    • @GLPitt1
      @GLPitt1 2 года назад +3

      Yes. They obviously saw WCW getting the different demo and how they should stop just programming for 8 year olds. So some blame could be placed on Shawn and Sid. But they can only wrestle the matches booked and work the angles they are given.

    • @IsaacAutumn
      @IsaacAutumn 2 года назад +1

      They also had vince instead of that weasel Michael Cole on commentary till the end of the year

  • @osaji922
    @osaji922 2 года назад +71

    Jim looks good wearing Shawn's gear. I know how much he always admired him so I guess this is a sincere form of flattery.

    • @bobbystones9612
      @bobbystones9612 2 года назад +13

      Corny the true sexy boy

    • @kenrickkahn
      @kenrickkahn 2 года назад +4

      😂😂 I can imagine WWF doing a comedy skit with Jim Cornette dressed in Shawn's gear while during his Camp Cornette Stable..

    • @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma
      @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma 2 года назад +10

      Now picture HBK in a loud ass suit with glasses and a tennis racket with fur on it.

    • @josheisert8380
      @josheisert8380 2 года назад

      Lol it's a drawing. You need to get your eyes fixed my guy. Or wait if you are on a phone the screen is probably small to where it looks real?

    • @shaynewest8757
      @shaynewest8757 2 года назад

      You do know it's not a photo don't you ?

  • @doomedhuh
    @doomedhuh 2 года назад +31

    Shawn was better as a heel. His character didn't work as a face. They stuck Jose Lathario with him to try and make him relatable but it was lame. Then once he posed for playgirl it was all over.

    • @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma
      @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma 2 года назад +9

      That Lothario shit was so goddamned bad. Besides Vince everyone hated it, including Shawn.

    • @Skibbitypappappa
      @Skibbitypappappa 2 года назад +3

      Honestly it ruined him, he was white hot in 1995 and then he gets the belt and he's got this old man following him around for a few months, when they let him turn back Heel in 97 we got in my opinion the most electric heel run I've ever seen, shame it lasted 6 months

    • @mecha2001
      @mecha2001 2 года назад +3

      @@Skibbitypappappa Bret Hart 1997 heel turn was pretty awesome. I still maintain 1997 was a very underrated year for WWF. also within Cornette logic, faces shouldn't have managers. what were they thinking with Lothario?

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 6 месяцев назад

      Turning the pipsqueak jerkoff fruit pop champions into the "boyhood dream" was an absolute FAIL in everyway.
      Shawn's entire first run in WWF once he kicked Marty in the Barber Shop was an absolute DISASTER.
      A total joke.

    • @alberts1985
      @alberts1985 3 месяца назад +1

      He got too obnoxious as a face

  • @TRoller927
    @TRoller927 2 года назад +13

    14:25 Shawn wanted to do 3 matches with Hogan. Hogan wanted to do one match of him squashing Shawn. Hogan got his way and Shawn made him look absolutely terrible for it. I rarely side with Shawn but gave Hogan exactly what he deserved at that moment.

    • @BrianJamesShanley
      @BrianJamesShanley 8 месяцев назад

      If I had to see the man who body-slammed Andre get cleanly pinned by Shawn Michaels’ bitch ass crescent kick (that Marty Jannetty did better), I would’ve revolted big time. Hogan squashing Shawn is exactly what needed to happen.

  • @spheremode3271
    @spheremode3271 2 года назад +63

    I'm not gonna argue Shawn was a successful champion, but Corny seems to ignore Hogan turning heel and the NWO. That's probably a much bigger reason for the rating decrease as Brian said.

    • @brandonselitetv1436
      @brandonselitetv1436 Год назад +2

      Yeah but i think Jim Cornette is looking at just the fans that only watch WWE programming not other programming like ECW or WCW.

    • @mojo-eq4ln
      @mojo-eq4ln 9 месяцев назад +5

      U had a male stripper as champion on one channel, & heel Hogan on the other. Needless to say, I changed the channel to TNT shortly after Mania 12 👍🏾

    • @whatwelearned
      @whatwelearned 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@mojo-eq4ln someone's got some issues

    • @yoholmes273
      @yoholmes273 6 месяцев назад +1

      Shawn in real time, as champion, was seen a total joke.

    • @fredfuckstone914
      @fredfuckstone914 4 месяца назад

      "nyeh"

  • @coltoncampbell3919
    @coltoncampbell3919 2 года назад +141

    This man has so much history just stored away literally in his closet. This is some of the coolest stuff I’ve ever heard

    • @pleaseshutup7053
      @pleaseshutup7053 2 года назад +4

      Wrestling genius

    • @jharvey433
      @jharvey433 2 года назад +2

      Vault.

    • @GameTime-yj6qv
      @GameTime-yj6qv 2 года назад

      The wrestling encyclopedia

    • @FUGP72
      @FUGP72 Год назад

      I mean...ratings and PPV buy rates for the Monday Night Wars are available ALL OVER the internet.

  • @MrRyanlennie2005
    @MrRyanlennie2005 2 года назад +62

    The Raw rating is now usually a 0.5-0.6. The actual viewership usually a bit under 2 million.
    What’s crazy is at its peak TNA Impact did that viewership and with a better rating.

    • @SAM-ru4vx
      @SAM-ru4vx 2 года назад +3

      The peak was Samoa Joe vs Kurt angle?
      Bro claimed 1.4ish as him benchmark. Bro.
      Than hulkamania ran wild bro. Aces & 8s , bully ray, than Dixie decided she needed to be on tv. Rockstar spudd being great, than guess what channel iMPACT is on, than broken Hardy's, than sold and moved to Canada.

    • @MrRyanlennie2005
      @MrRyanlennie2005 2 года назад +11

      @@SAM-ru4vx the highest viewership was 2.2 million. Highest rating was 1.5 yeah. The peak times were Hogan’s debut, the show after 10/10/10 and Hardy’s heel turn as well as some of the early Main Event Mafia run.

    • @SAM-ru4vx
      @SAM-ru4vx 2 года назад

      @@MrRyanlennie2005 if it wasn't for Hardy's at the farm / compound there was nothing exciting that got any positive reaction from the fans at the time.
      Blah blah blah once AJ styles left it was over 🤷🏻.

    • @nikeneon3188
      @nikeneon3188 2 года назад +5

      They still got entire top 3 spot in the TV ratings, 0.5 is fantastic by modern standart, nobody watch tv

    • @MrRyanlennie2005
      @MrRyanlennie2005 2 года назад +9

      @@nikeneon3188 Yeah I’m just pointing out how stupid everyone is arguing over ratings, “Oh AEW can’t get over a million” “Triple H has got the product hot again”…..no one is watching any of it. 😂 Yeah it still gets the biggest tv ratings but when no one watches tv it’s kind of like winning tallest dwarf.

  • @yawncena3795
    @yawncena3795 2 года назад +34

    1. Shawn Michaels’ character wasn’t over with the male audience. He came out to the ring dressed in chaps, a biker hat, dangly earrings and danced like a stripper. He even posed for Playgirl. I think Vince wanted him to be the Brad Pitt of WWF, the man who all the guys wanted to be and the man all the chicks wanted. That wasn’t cool to a lot of the fans. That’s why they wanted Sid to be champion at Survivor Series.
    2. He didn’t have that much support compared to other top guys before him and after him. For all of 1996, he wrestled Davey Boy, Sid and Vader. Now compare that to Austin who wrestled Bret, Taker, Foley, HHH, Shawn and The Rock.
    3. The product was the drizzling sh*ts. Vince McMahon was so behind times in 1996, while WCW wasn’t. They had the NWO. WWF still had gimmicks like The Bodydonnas, Godwins, The real double J and just corny cartoon crap that no one wanted to see.

    • @davidgaskins2589
      @davidgaskins2589 2 года назад +5

      U writing this much about other men is worse then Shawn's chaps

    • @GameTime-yj6qv
      @GameTime-yj6qv 2 года назад

      Right on all points. Also many of the 80s fans that were used to Hogan, Savage, Warrior etc stopped watching and/or turned over to WCW.

  • @jjayflash
    @jjayflash 2 года назад +31

    Shawn shouldn't take most of the blame. Business was bad in general in 1996 WWE especially with the NWO in WCW. WWE was still a cartoon product even with Shawn having great matches. Even if Bret was around for most of 1996 the ratings still wouldn't be all that good.

    • @michaelkeller5927
      @michaelkeller5927 2 года назад +3

      I'm the biggest Bret mark around, but you're 100% right

    • @ModernDayRenaissanceMan
      @ModernDayRenaissanceMan Год назад

      HBK says in his 2000 shoot interview after his retirement that there was a specific match between him and Kevin Nash where Kevin Nash kicked out and there was a big issue with that. They warned Vince McMahon that the kick out was going to be a problem with the fans. After that Vince turned HBK into a baby face because of that kick out. The fans then started to go after HBK because they weren't ready for it but the final decision went to Vince. HBK goes into detail about that and the interview is very rarely on RUclips but it is right now so if you want to hear him talk about it you can find it.

  • @matthillegas3099
    @matthillegas3099 2 года назад +19

    They went to monthly PPVs starting in May '95. A full year before WCW did, despite Bischoff's revisionist memory.

  • @gojira931
    @gojira931 2 года назад +53

    The ratings did go up pretty steadily from November 1997 to March 1998 when Shawn was champion again as a heel and was doing DX, which validates what Jim and Brian are saying here.

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine 2 года назад +4

      Personally it was the end for me DX is the first thing i gladly didmt follow anymore as aktive Fan boy. Totally not present in my mind, everytime i hear it i think thnk god i missed it.

    • @JMDogg
      @JMDogg 2 года назад +23

      That was less Shawn/DX and more Austin, Tyson (and the mainstream press it got when he showed up), and WCW making people switch to WWF with their foolishness.

    • @simeonflake
      @simeonflake 2 года назад +10

      I'm not surprised to hear that the WWF's ratings started to spike in late '97, especially given how Starrcade turned into one of the biggest duds in the history of the sport.
      It also wasn't a surprise that the WWF took over in the ratings in 1998 right around the time they had Sting drop the belt to Savage, just so Randy could lose to Hogan the very next night. I think I'm still pissed about that... 😡

    • @jamaalmoses8821
      @jamaalmoses8821 2 года назад +5

      Austin,Rock,Kane challenging Taker...

    • @cutekanjii
      @cutekanjii 2 года назад +12

      Jimmy doesn't want to aknowlege that DX added to the overall increase in ratings were as they were entertaining and cool.
      I think it was a combination of the all the stuff going on in the WWF all at the same time like the rise of Austin, DX & the introduction of Kane and the stuff he was doing with Undertaker & Paul Bearer.
      But it was also that people were well used to the NWO & all that going on in WCW, it wasn't new & shiney anymore. Yeah it was still hot but it was over a year old, so people were starting to switch over to RAW to see the new stuff the WWF were doing & DX were a WWF version of the NWO.
      Plus DX and Nash & Hall were obviously friends in real life so it was like 2 sides of the one big faction.

  • @TroystonB
    @TroystonB 2 года назад +7

    June-July 96 was the peak interest period for wcw getting the nwo formed.

  • @ModernDayRenaissanceMan
    @ModernDayRenaissanceMan Год назад +4

    HBK said in his 2000 retirement shoot interview that turning him face was punishment because of the kickout from Nash. They told Vince if wouldn't work. This is why he wasn't punished for it. (Non-kayfabe) Watch that interview.

  • @Thecallmemisterajp
    @Thecallmemisterajp 2 года назад +30

    Admittedly I’m a little biased since Shawn was my fav, but I always thought the notion of the fan backlash was a little overstated. Yeah, fans cheered Sid (who everyone forgets was actually a face at the time) in MSG, but people overlook that here in Philly for Mind Games, with ECW chants breaking out all show and frankly we still loved Foley fresh off of his run with the promotion, Shawn still got cheered.
    I can see the criticisms, with the boyhood dream stuff taking off a lot of his edge, but it wasn’t exactly 2015 Roman we were dealing with here.

    • @rubenarriaga3029
      @rubenarriaga3029 2 года назад +1

      👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

    • @magsxx9735
      @magsxx9735 2 года назад +6

      Exactly, Survivor Series 1996 was the only time I can remember him getting booed as a babyface. Compared to the reactions John Cena and Roman Reigns were getting, it’s nothing. He was cheered every time he came out besides that. He never had go away heat.

    • @genecide6869
      @genecide6869 2 года назад +2

      Agree 2015 Roman was worse

  • @codeezie
    @codeezie 2 года назад +18

    The numbers don't reflect it but I find 96 / 97 HBK to be must see TV. Probably the best in the ring I've ever seen. I was like 6 years old and he was my first favorite wrestler. I turned on him for Stone Cold cause of his heel antics.
    He really didn't have much support on the rest of the card when he was at the top. The product kinda sucked. I don't know. I fucking love HBK, and I don't know what role nostalgia and/or WWE revisionist history has played in that. But if you go watch his matches - they all hold up.

    • @michaelrood2751
      @michaelrood2751 2 года назад +3

      Agree … he was great.

    • @GameTime-yj6qv
      @GameTime-yj6qv 2 года назад +1

      Bret and Shawn get bad reps for the down period of 94 to 96, but in the ring they were amazing.

  • @FreneticZetetic
    @FreneticZetetic Год назад +3

    What an era this all was; being 8-9 at the time and flipping between RAW and Nitro on Monday nights. TAKE ME BACK.

  • @BXMarathoner26
    @BXMarathoner26 2 года назад +5

    Corny is not the biggest fan of HBK. I think it was a combo of: Fans not being keen on babyface HBK, the Rise of NWO, Bret's absence (because there would've been a return match within 96 at some point) and that last end of cartoonish material in WWF. All that has to be taken into account.

  • @FreeThinkAlways
    @FreeThinkAlways 2 года назад +14

    We need jim to do a watch along to the hogan vs hbk match

  • @MichaelSmith-fq6hz
    @MichaelSmith-fq6hz 2 года назад +48

    In defense of Shawn, WCW did start the NWO in the middle of his first reign.

    • @patale1640
      @patale1640 2 года назад +3

      Wcw was winning on Monday nights before the nWo.

    • @wrestlingtapes2036
      @wrestlingtapes2036 2 года назад +12

      Shawn is overrated

    • @chico1680
      @chico1680 2 года назад +6

      @@patale1640 They were trading wins back and forth, actually. It wasn't until the nWo that WCW began their 83 week unbeaten streak

    • @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma
      @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma 2 года назад +2

      Also in defense of Shawn, and something everyone seems to forget, the WWF also lost 2 of their bigger stars to that angle, and no one really replaced them for a while. The real serious Austin push was still a few months away.

    • @patale1640
      @patale1640 2 года назад +5

      @@chico1680 that’s true, but the narrative seems to be that Nitro was dead before the nWo which is simply not the case. Pro wrestling as a whole was at a low point coming out of the early 90s, but Nitro revitalized interest in WCW with Luger, Steiners, and even the Road Warriors returning in 95/96.

  • @kenrickkahn
    @kenrickkahn 2 года назад +4

    I noticed too! When Sid came back to WWF in the early 1990s they cheered him and booed Hogan.. When Sid came back during the mid 1990s They cheered him and booed Michaels.. Hmmmmm 🤣

  • @stillrealtome1772
    @stillrealtome1772 2 года назад +45

    I agree with Cornette with most things but come on he could have given WCW and the birth of the n.W.o more credit to why Raw's numbers dropped in 1996.

    • @jonathonholifield3166
      @jonathonholifield3166 2 года назад +2

      Exactly.

    • @acotbc
      @acotbc 2 года назад +1

      Raw just didn't have anything to compete with when it came to countering the nWo angle which was shooting into the stratosphere. The week after Giant joined the nWo, (fake) Sting attacked Lex Luger. What was on Raw that week? Matches involving T.L. Hopper and Freddie Joe Floyd, with an Undertaker vs Salvatore Sincere main event. Hopper, Floyd and Sincere were jobber-to-the-stars characters which debuted on the rapidly declining Superstars, and should have remained there. Any one of them had no business on WWF's flagship show, let alone all three, taking up three out of the four matches on that particular show. But back then the WWF taped four weeks of Raw in a single night, I guess for budgetary reasons, and the option wasn't there to change things up from week-to-week after the taping was done for the month.

    • @JMDogg
      @JMDogg 2 года назад +4

      WWF could've had Austin saying the 7 deadly words, flipping birds, the whole 9, and Raw STILL wouldve got washed by at least a full ratings point because the nWo in 96 was so groundbreaking and intriguing.

    • @kenrickkahn
      @kenrickkahn 2 года назад +7

      I never understood why people wanna act like WCW was this awful Wrestling Promotion.. WCW was great in the 1990s even before NWO.. WWE has messed up these kids minds on the history of things..

    • @kenrickkahn
      @kenrickkahn 2 года назад

      @@JMDogg Nobody wanna give credit due but that angle was put together perfectly.. Whoever did that deserves a big pay raise and awards behind that??? That was one of the greatest Pro wrestling moments ever..

  • @simeonflake
    @simeonflake 2 года назад +15

    I always heard that WM13 was one of the lowest rated shows of all-time & I'm not surprised, considering the whole ppv--outside of Bret and Austin--was the drizzling shits....

    • @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma
      @Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma 2 года назад +6

      Continuing a streak of pretty crappy Wrestlemanias.

    • @TheFreeSkate
      @TheFreeSkate 2 года назад +3

      Agreed. Bret austin made u watch that WM ... no one else did lol

    • @elizabeth3280
      @elizabeth3280 2 года назад +1

      Lets be honest, Brett vs Austin was only cool after the fact as it sounded like a match you would see on RAW. Everyone knew Austin would not win as his one and only submission would put him to sleep. WM13 I was only a couple WrestleManias in plus the one's I rented from the video store. It was the least exciting one for me because Shawn was my favorite along with Owen, Razor and Diesel.

    • @ReflectionOfPerfection
      @ReflectionOfPerfection 2 года назад

      @@elizabeth3280 What? 12 year old me was fired up for Bret vs Austin because it honestly felt like they wanted to kill each other. There was no "after the fact"

    • @elizabeth3280
      @elizabeth3280 2 года назад

      @@ReflectionOfPerfection If you liked Owen more and Shawn was your favorite then you rolled your eyes at a brett hart match unless he was fighting one of your guys. I jsut was not into it but was also really young and neither of those two did it for me so the only thing that looked cool was the clip of him bleading in the sharp shooter they made a big deal about. I even had the WWE network at one time and still dont think I have seen that wrestlemania haha

  • @pjam1184
    @pjam1184 2 года назад +6

    Shawn was a lot more entertaining as a heel. As a babyface it just didn't work. He's so much better as an asshole.

  • @randyk_18
    @randyk_18 2 года назад +7

    These two could never have an objective take about anything related to Shawn Michaels. They take any chance possible to talk shit about him and it's honestly just pathetic.

    • @dennisdavis5842
      @dennisdavis5842 2 года назад

      Agreed . I’m tired of the hogan sympathy when any other time they would be talking shit about how bad he was doing business and lying . Which he did to Shawn and again a year later . Just couldn’t do 3 and lose 1 could he

  • @JohnMcVay1
    @JohnMcVay1 2 года назад +17

    The ratings would’ve been worse without Shawn Michaels. 💯 He was definitely a star. But, it takes time to turn things around. And, you have to give a large amount of credit to WCW for catching fire.

  • @john_blues
    @john_blues 2 года назад +21

    Jim lost his smile in the thumbnail.

  • @shaynewest8757
    @shaynewest8757 2 года назад +8

    Putting Shawn with Jose Lothario was career suicide. Who the hell thought that was a good idea.

    • @whatwelearned
      @whatwelearned 7 месяцев назад

      Career suicide? You know dude went on to wrestle until about 2016, right?

  • @chrisjames5188
    @chrisjames5188 2 года назад +20

    The whole wwf product sucked in 96 not just Shawn's face run as champion. Especially when you compare what was happening in wcw at the time.

    • @jumbothompson
      @jumbothompson 2 года назад +5

      Austin and Bret were good. Shawn's run always sucked.

    • @patale1640
      @patale1640 2 года назад +6

      Go watch matches on Raw from 95/96 and the crowds where usually dead. Go watch Nitro during the same time period and crowds are going nuts for Sting, Savage, Flair,and Luger. Even pre nWo Nitro had more energy.

    • @troystaunton254
      @troystaunton254 2 года назад

      I agree. People act like Vince McMahon is a genius for the attitude era, but that was the exception to his career. His creative was childish cartoonish and pathetic at best. Michaels may not have been drawing the biggest gates but let’s be real. Nash hall taker, michaels and hart was drawing all of it. Vince’s cartoon garbage was driving everyone else.

    • @johnnyskinwalker4095
      @johnnyskinwalker4095 2 года назад +1

      @Bischoff Rulz He'll never give credit to WCW or Russo cause they literally made him irrelevant. The success of WCW made him lose power and in turn gave Russo power and he helped turn the WWF around

    • @hood6597
      @hood6597 2 года назад

      @@jumbothompson the ratings were less when Bret was champion in 1995. The worst year the WWE had

  • @Richie3Jack
    @Richie3Jack 2 года назад +10

    This makes sense. I was a fan of Shawn Michaels although I preferred Bret Hart. But as a babyface on top, I remember Shawn really turning off a lot of fans to the point where he was getting 'go home heat' and people were tuning into Nitro instead.

  • @mexmexican8619
    @mexmexican8619 2 года назад +29

    Wrestling people always ignore outside factors when discussing who did business i.e. everyone ignores the fact that Warrior carried the belt in the middle of a recession and Hogan did even worse than Warrior after regaining the belt.

    • @tylerbushong3452
      @tylerbushong3452 2 года назад +3

      All due respect, it’s kinda hard to do worse with the belt than Warrior.

  • @un-realism7813
    @un-realism7813 2 года назад +9

    Interesting that the ratings began to decrease after King of the Ring 96. I guess Austin's speech didn't immediately set the world on fire like WWE would have you believe.

    • @stfi7566
      @stfi7566 2 года назад +8

      Two months later, Austin was in the SummerSlam Free-For-All pre-show match with Yokozuna. That’s the match where Yoko rips the top rope off after grabbing the top turnbuckle. Austin didn’t really catch on in the company until he fueded with Brian Pillman and began trashing Bret Hart in promos.

    • @ladytye826
      @ladytye826 2 года назад +1

      I was at that Summerslam. Besides that incident, I vividly remember Paul Bearer turn on the Undertaker……gave me chills

    • @ReflectionOfPerfection
      @ReflectionOfPerfection 2 года назад +4

      Revisionist history is great isn't it? Austin had a rematch with Mero at July 96 IYH and was SO over in August that he was on the free pre-show with Yokozuna, he was SO HOT in September that he wasn't even on the card for September 96 Mind Games. It wasn't until he called out Bret Hart to set up Bret's return at Survivor Series. Once he had that banger with Bret, THEN he started getting attention.

  • @biggiefitz6275
    @biggiefitz6275 2 года назад +3

    The Rock Auto bit at the end made me spit out Dr Pepper. LMAO.
    Rock Auto had better be taking good care of Jim. If l needed advertising, Cornette would be the man I'd go to👍👍

  • @willnicklen4196
    @willnicklen4196 2 года назад +24

    Should of talked about 1995 ratings

    • @sonicplys64
      @sonicplys64 2 года назад +2

      Why? Same thing wrestling is doing today.

  • @JasonSum1979
    @JasonSum1979 2 года назад +3

    this all make absolute sense my first WWF live house show was ‘96 Shawn vs Sid was the main event on the card the WWF booked St. louis Hooky arena for the house show (I swear to God this was one of the first times i was ashamed to be a Pro Wrestling fan the Kiel arena seemed empty maybe 30-35% full it’s a huge building (i didn’t think to bring a camera along until after the fact) went to another house show in that same arena less then two years later jam packed (One match was the New Age outlaws vs Cactus Jack & Chainsaw Charlie

  • @wilcee238
    @wilcee238 2 года назад +27

    Since HHH took over I’ve managed to sit through a RAW main event, and 75% of an entire episode of Smackdown. I haven’t watched anything WWE since Samoa Joe lost to Finn Balor. Tony Khan better go to MJF’s house and personally give him a blank check, because they’re in big trouble.

  • @christophercomitini8619
    @christophercomitini8619 2 года назад +14

    So basically Jim is blaming his and Bruce's shitty booking of Shawn's run s WWF Champion (Boyhood dream with Jose Lothario) on Shawn not drawing EVEN THOUGH Russo's booking of Shawn (DX) and Shawn doing his OWN character interviews (shooting on Bret) drew MASSIVE ratings!!

    • @johnnyskinwalker4095
      @johnnyskinwalker4095 2 года назад

      pretty much. But he'll never admit to it.

    • @MrSniperfox29
      @MrSniperfox29 2 года назад +5

      Apart from the fact Cornette was never the booker.....

    • @BOBBYSOX86
      @BOBBYSOX86 2 года назад +1

      True but Vince still has to take the blame as well for approving Prichard's and Cornette's shit booking

    • @MrSniperfox29
      @MrSniperfox29 2 года назад +2

      @@BOBBYSOX86 Apart from the fact Cornette never booked anything....

    • @BOBBYSOX86
      @BOBBYSOX86 2 года назад +2

      @@MrSniperfox29 yea he did, he was there with Bruce and Vince McMahon at that time

  • @LeoWhalen1933
    @LeoWhalen1933 2 года назад +40

    What I loved about WWF from 1993-97 was that it wasn't mainstream yet and it felt more intimate. It was fun when I actually found another wrestling fan and could talk about stuff with them. The Attitude era was great but everybody was watching it so it took away the uniqueness of being a fan...

    • @Nostalgia9478
      @Nostalgia9478 2 года назад +4

      I actually prefer 93-97 over Attitude

    • @reigniteinchrist
      @reigniteinchrist 2 года назад +1

      I could not agree more

    • @eazymb.
      @eazymb. 2 года назад +3

      I was born in 99 and I go back yearly and watch most of 1997 WWF. To me that was the perfect balance.

    • @Nostalgia9478
      @Nostalgia9478 2 года назад

      @Rich Monkey sweet

    • @DeadSezSo
      @DeadSezSo 2 года назад

      That's basically saying you liked it when it wasn't cool because watching it made you feel cool lol but the thing is, everybody knew wwf by 1993. There just weren't nearly as many people tuning in every single week. But so many people were still watching it here and there enough to know a little something about it

  • @damian_cross
    @damian_cross 2 года назад +5

    I got into wrestling because I loved Shawn's post-barber shop heel run so much (which btw made you gay in the eyes of most fans, that wasn't fun). The joy of Shawn as a heel isn't the flamboyance, its the frustration...the idea that he's so good at what he does but he never gets the credit, so he has to give it to himself and be that cocky arrogant guy. Shawn should never have been a face, ever. It never works.

  • @ronnycrypto8986
    @ronnycrypto8986 2 года назад +9

    Cornette COMPLETELY downplays the biggest heel turn in history from the biggest star in wrestling history at the time (coupled with 2 huge WWF stars also switching to WCW at the time). The nWo was the hottest thing in wrestling. The WWF was already doing 'meh' with Diesel then Bret. To put the blame on Shawn Michaels, when the start of his run coincided with the birth of the nWo is pure bias against him, and Cornette's narrative would be completely different if Bret and Taker were the champ during that period.
    When HBK's reign started, all of a sudden Bret, Hall, Nash were gone (with 2 of them going to WCW). Hogan turned heel. The NWO was formed. Can't put the blame on Shawn when the only other megastar still there at the time was Undertaker. Austin, Mankind, Sid, Vader were either still on the way up (Austin, Mankind) or had plateau'd as tier 2 stars (Sid, Vader).

    • @THEEtylerhan91
      @THEEtylerhan91 2 года назад

      And it’s funny idk if you caught It but Jim is also biased to Bret here cause some of the numbers jim throws out here when he gushes over Bret being the savior when Shawn was on top Shawn drew about as consistent as you could in 96 with the talent he had to work with and even Bret drew less when he comes back he drew less than hbk even in the Canada in your house event Shawn drew more at the rumble in 97 and that’s with Jim’s numbers to back it and says Bret was a bigger draw than Shawn idk about that so I feel like Jim always has a hard on for Bret and downplays Shawn even shockingly (brian loves Bret) Brian came to Shawn’s defense and pointed out the fact that nWo was hot as hell

  • @SpaceGhost92
    @SpaceGhost92 2 года назад +11

    I knew immediately when Jim said “oh the ratings were so great and business was booming in Q1 1996” that this was gonna be another Shawn Michaels hit piece. Let’s not act like the concussion storyline on raw with Owen didn’t get over, and let’s not pretend like fans were tuning had nothing to do with Shawn and it was all Bret. Then look at the list of names Shawn had to work with as champion. He got the one ppv before Diesel left and it was an awesome match, but then he’s gone. Davie Boy was a good worker but he’s not a believable main event guy. I’ll admit the Vader match should’ve been better but let’s not pretend like Shawn was going head to head with Japan or even wcw level Vader. The mankind match was my favorite of all of 96 but that was just a one off to break up the mankind Taker feud. By the time Survivor Series rolled around fans were suffering from ultra white meat baby face fatigue and embraced Sid, and having the match in front of the smart garden crowd didn’t help. Of course when Bret came back he had the benefit of working with the red hot Steve Austin. Shawn didn’t get a program with Austin. He didn’t get a single match of feud with Taker. Lastly, let’s not forgot Shawn was a huge part of Raws resurgence in 97.

    • @herzkine
      @herzkine 2 года назад

      Yeah bret just had all the luck mostly to be suddenly Black when White was put...:-) WHOT ? Talking bout Bias...

    • @tomnagy3010
      @tomnagy3010 2 года назад +3

      Vader was still a monster and could work like he did in WCW, Vince screwed him up and then Shawn was being a bitch during Summerslam.
      Austin wasn't red hot until he started the program with Bret. Yeah, he became higher profile, but the best thing he did until then was attack Pillman's house. After he worked with Bret for months he became the biggest baby face, even over Taker.

    • @kingkold
      @kingkold 2 года назад +1

      Yeah Jim was there pal, lol

    • @Erlewyn
      @Erlewyn 2 года назад +1

      @@tomnagy3010 Not really… I'll give him a pass for forgetting a spot in a major PPV match, it can happen to everybody, but at this point in time, he was overweight and easily winded, not someone you can get a great match out of.

    • @xziggy_stardustx6786
      @xziggy_stardustx6786 2 года назад +2

      You've just got to accept it: HBK is incredible in the ring, but he was never a draw; he was entertaining in his own way, but he never had the same star quality as Bret. The numbers don't lie -- part of it is that Bret was a natural babyface and HBK was a natural heel. Faces are a big part of drawing. You need a great heel vs a great face to draw (E.G. HHH vs Rock). HBK was a shoehorned face who had, at best, decent opponents who were more sympathetic than him (hence the Sid fiasco) and that destroyed the dynamic and killed interest.

  • @christerry1611
    @christerry1611 2 года назад +3

    Vince gushing over Shawn and constantly shoving him down our throats every week on Raw was cringe. I look back at that time period now and think to myself no wonder WCW and the NWO started turning the tables on the WWF. It wasn't until summer of the following year (97) when things improved.

  • @simeonflake
    @simeonflake 2 года назад +25

    I always like to look at the other side of the spectrum--how would the course of history had changed if someone in Atlanta had some fresh ideas beyond milking the nWo dry or completely f--king up Bret Hart, who had overtaken Sting as the hottest star in the business at the end of 1997. Oh well, I guess in 1996 things were still rosy for the WCW...

    • @simeonflake
      @simeonflake 2 года назад +3

      Well, to be fair, both promotions had their fair share of shit TV during the wars & long after the war was over, WWE was still cranking out bad television--the long list of examples I won't even bother trying to list....

    • @theseeker7711
      @theseeker7711 2 года назад +1

      Still would have been hard.Austin was going Nova

    • @theseeker7711
      @theseeker7711 2 года назад +2

      The real question is what if someone said”We are paying Brad Armstrong and Lanny Poffo to do absolutely nothing.We can pay a injured Steve Austin”Austin never leaves

    • @SpaceGhost92
      @SpaceGhost92 2 года назад +3

      @@simeonflake 1997-2010 wwe was not bad. At the very least you could depend on the main event guys delivering

  • @buckmartinez
    @buckmartinez 2 года назад +4

    Oh wow, this is almost a deep dive. Remember those, folks?

  • @classicretros23
    @classicretros23 2 года назад +4

    Sid was very underrated dude had pops 9ver Shawn Michaels & in his early 90s over Hogan (Royal Rumble 92). The problem was that he loved softball too much 😆

  • @PapaTaurean
    @PapaTaurean 2 года назад +3

    Behold the newest tag team... the Twitter Machine... the Google Machine... the Internet!!

  • @Am0ment0fB
    @Am0ment0fB 2 года назад +2

    Every era of wrestling starts off with a bang. Hulkamania and WrestleMania.
    Hogan vs Andre.
    Montreal screw job.
    Nwo formation/Hogan heel turn.
    Stone Cold Jake the snake 3:16 promo.
    First stunner to Vince at msg.
    Mike Tyson betrays DX/ Austin wins the belt.
    Austin vs rock
    Since Austin blew up
    So, basically it's been over 25 years, since wrestling had a mega event or Mega star to turn the next era awesome.

  • @ginofitzpatric2295
    @ginofitzpatric2295 2 года назад +6

    I don't think we can discount the role that the Summer Olympics played in the ratings falling in the Summer of 96. It being held in Atlanta, many of the most popular events being held in the evening (such as track and field), and many of the top athletes being American could put a damper on ratings.
    Also, baseball was recovering from the 1994-1995 strike, and the following seasons, the Atlanta Braves coincidentally won the World Series in. So combine all of that along with the NWO starting during that same summer, and you had a confluence of events that could direct eyes away from New York and the WWF, and towards Atlanta and WCW.

    • @Good100
      @Good100 2 года назад +4

      Not to mention the first year of Jordan's second three-peat.

    • @ClubberSlang
      @ClubberSlang 2 года назад

      The Olympics is 2 weeks

  • @JM1993951
    @JM1993951 2 года назад +2

    People say “oh, people just stream it later” like that negates the poor ratings today. That’s not a defense even if it’s true. The point is that it’s no longer something you have to watch live because it keeps you hooked. It’s “eh, I’ll record it and maybe I’ll catch it later.”

  • @TommyTiger619
    @TommyTiger619 2 года назад +2

    I love how Jim just flawlessly goes into talking about I guess his sponsors.

  • @chadhoganlive
    @chadhoganlive 2 года назад +10

    I love these stat shows! Fun to find out ratings and attendance, all of which is recorded in Jim's records. Very important to wrestling history.

    • @FUGP72
      @FUGP72 Год назад

      Maybe not attendance, but ratings and PPV buy rates for the Monday Night Wars have been widely available on several internet wrestling sites for pretty much the last 25 years. Back when 90% of the country/world were still on dial up and sunny was "the most downloaded celebrity on AOL", there were already sites keeping track

    • @chadhoganlive
      @chadhoganlive Год назад

      @@FUGP72 Thank you for that information. Wrestling existed before the Monday Night Wars and that's what I was talking about. Most wrestling sites don't cover the territories as the interwebs wasn't available for mass public usage back then. Have a good day.

    • @FUGP72
      @FUGP72 Год назад

      @@chadhoganlive TV and attendance numbers from 1996-1997. Firmly in the Monday Night Wars.
      You can also get ratings for things like Saturday Night's Main Event of the 80s online pretty easily. And buy rates for the far fewer PPVs they had. As for other "TV" the WWF had, there were no real ratings since it was not a specific time slot program.

  • @Punkinlunk
    @Punkinlunk 2 года назад +6

    WWE ran away most fans so it’s pointless to talk ratings now.

    • @Chaz4543
      @Chaz4543 2 года назад +2

      Yeah I hate to admit it but its Vince's fault. He totally lost the plot.

  • @GregHuffman1987
    @GregHuffman1987 2 года назад +5

    sympathize with hogan? that summerslam at 2005 i was siding with hbk because hogan was being his usual selfish ass self wanting to always go over. he did the same thing a year later to orton

  • @stevestewart6287
    @stevestewart6287 2 года назад +3

    It's not a fair comparison, because back then there were not 300 channels on tv. No streaming, no firestick, no youtube, etc. Today there are so many more channel choices it is hard to get a million people to watch anything, except the Super Bowl, and things like that.
    One other thing, they would deny wrestling was fake back then, so a lot of people watched it thinking it was real. I am 62 years old, and I watched it all. I think they best imes were Stone Cold, The Rock, etc. But I also remember the Crusher, and Dick The Bruiser, loved them both.
    Things changed when we got 300 channels, etc.

    • @ukgraffitiwalker8846
      @ukgraffitiwalker8846 2 года назад +3

      Don't forget gaming which is bigger than the movie industry.

    • @SuperbNProsper
      @SuperbNProsper 2 года назад +2

      Exactly. The fact that people don’t factor this point in is crazy

    • @ukgraffitiwalker8846
      @ukgraffitiwalker8846 2 года назад +1

      @@SuperbNProsper so many people are in denial about these factors.

  • @spms52
    @spms52 2 года назад +3

    Shawn Michaels and Hulk Hogan drew 640,000 PPV Buys in 2005. The Highest Summerslam PPV of the 2000s.

  • @iamdb1990
    @iamdb1990 2 года назад +1

    Harley barking during the ad read, even she knows who to go to lol

  • @bobbystones9612
    @bobbystones9612 2 года назад +3

    Shawn was all Hat no Cattle back then

  • @Skibbitypappappa
    @Skibbitypappappa 2 года назад +15

    It's funny how Jim suddenly stops writing the numbers down when Shawn is a Heel again and is extremely watchable and not having Jose Lothario trailing him

    • @cutekanjii
      @cutekanjii 2 года назад

      Shawn disrespected Jose Lothario publicly by making it clear he didn't want to share the limelight with him by walking with a big gap between them & always keeping him at a distance from him.
      He was resentful that they were pushing it that it was Jose that got him into the business & trained him as i think it made it seem like it wasn't just Shawn Michaels that was responsible for getting Shawn Michaels to where he was but rather it was Jose Lotherio AND Shawn Michaels!
      He didn't have much choice with that storyline as they just needed something to work into his angle with Sid & there wasn't really anything else to do.
      So he went along with it but at the same time dissed Lotherio & tried to humilate him almost. As he was a babyface at the time & supposed to be getting it over that this was his "beloved mentor" so there was no reason at all for him to keep him at a big distance away. He did the storyline half assed.

    • @DR.64A9
      @DR.64A9 2 года назад +2

      This is also when Jim left the creative team.

    • @mrwednesdaynight
      @mrwednesdaynight 2 года назад +1

      I disliked Jose so much that when Sid powerbombed his kid, that really got Sid over with me.

    • @DLRX
      @DLRX 2 года назад +1

      @@mrwednesdaynight I still love the spot at Survivor Series 96 when Sid hits Jose with the camera. I was never a fan of the Jose thing either, Bruce Pritchard's idea of a Rocky/Mickey pairing didn't work because Jose Lothario didn't fit with Shawn Michael's image AT ALL.

  • @caseywhite3150
    @caseywhite3150 2 года назад +1

    lol Jim is a good pitch man....it reminds me of the old Norm Macdonald podcast ads on RUclips back in 2013 "Mangrate!"

  • @Savage-sr6lh
    @Savage-sr6lh 2 года назад +6

    Good point from Brian nwo Had big part to play there

  • @notafaker
    @notafaker 2 года назад +10

    The reason Raw was unappossed in April likely was NBA Playoffs

    • @whatwelearned
      @whatwelearned 7 месяцев назад

      opposed*

    • @notafaker
      @notafaker 7 месяцев назад

      @@whatwelearned correction unopposed but Nitro wasn’t on because of NBA playoffs

  • @DO-ur7oy
    @DO-ur7oy 2 года назад +1

    Great and informative how he explained to Brian how HBK never had go away heat.

  • @danthemancushecan
    @danthemancushecan 2 года назад +7

    How come no one ever points out how the Steroid Scandal was such a blow to wrestling, especially WWF? The mid 90's WWF was still in a transition from the huge muscled guys to the smaller more athletic guys like HBK and Hart. Let's be real, HBK had phenomenal matches, so it wasn't his ringwork that was the problem.

  • @aaryanairy756
    @aaryanairy756 2 года назад +10

    I wonder what Jim has to say about McAfee referencing him on SmackDown.

    • @patale1640
      @patale1640 2 года назад +1

      What did he say?

    • @erikstorm8935
      @erikstorm8935 2 года назад

      What did he the man say?

    • @Good100
      @Good100 2 года назад +2

      @@patale1640 He just mentioned that Jim Cornette was an announcer on the first SmackDown.

    • @aaryanairy756
      @aaryanairy756 2 года назад

      He said that He was 11 yrs old when he saw Cole and Jim Cornette announcing SmackDown, and now he has the privilege.

  • @kingrobthegreat7446
    @kingrobthegreat7446 2 года назад +3

    I always thought hbk should have stayed heel until the 2000s

  • @ModernDayRenaissanceMan
    @ModernDayRenaissanceMan Год назад +1

    Roman Reigns has been shoved down our throats for a decade now. It took Sami Zayn to get him over

  • @xxshrimptacoxx5720
    @xxshrimptacoxx5720 2 года назад +4

    Those ratings were all ur fault Jim.

  • @PREEM513
    @PREEM513 2 года назад +3

    It was fun to see Shawn chase the gold but once he got it, he wasn’t a good champion. Bret was a better champion. WWF was doing bad in 95 and 96 is when things started to pick up.

    • @spms52
      @spms52 2 года назад +1

      He was a great champion. His first run as champion had great matches and storylines. However, his third-reign in 1997 was his best as champion.

  • @GlassJoe1337
    @GlassJoe1337 2 года назад +5

    It's harder now to get good ratings because there's so many more channels to choose from let alone streaming services pulling people away from regular TV.
    I'm more curious about PPV buys (and gates) compared to today's peacock views and buy's.

  • @__RYN__
    @__RYN__ 2 года назад +1

    I was young back then. But HBK was a character the show stoppa, the entrance, the dance. Didnt really tell how good he was until that ladder match with Razor Roman. I hate to say it but drove in this vanilla midget 15 minute competitive indie stuff we have today in 2022

  • @crownvictoria9242
    @crownvictoria9242 2 года назад +6

    When Shawn Michaels was on top of WWE in 1996, the only main eventers there were Sid, Vader, Taker and Foley. WCW had Sting, Hogan, Savage, Scott Hall, Diesel, Ric Flair, Lex Luger and more. WWE didn’t have any star power at that time and Bret leaving for the entire year didn’t help things either.

  • @Erlewyn
    @Erlewyn 2 года назад +3

    Look out, your bias is showing.

  • @freedomisslavery6840
    @freedomisslavery6840 2 года назад +3

    The reality is when Jim was writing Raw the rating and business were in the toilet, and when his hated nemesis Russo took over they went through the roof. Hard facts.

  • @TheUnleetGamer
    @TheUnleetGamer 2 года назад +6

    Easy to blame the champ. The nwo was on the rise in the summer of 96 that affected wwf ratings massively.

  • @lulu-hm2xp
    @lulu-hm2xp 2 года назад +1

    Didn't like HBK playboy "underdog" gimmick Vince tried to shove. It's why I was uninterested at that time

  • @johnnydoe6717
    @johnnydoe6717 2 года назад +1

    I love Bret. I like Shawn. Neither are top draws but the main reason rating went south around May and beyond was because Diesel and Razor showed up on wcw tv

    • @spms52
      @spms52 2 года назад +1

      Let's be honest if you had put Hogan there in 1996 as top champion, the ratings would have been similar. Shawn and Bret were great draws for their respective eras.

  • @AndromedanPrince
    @AndromedanPrince 2 года назад +12

    Bret literally proved his Star power by what happened in the ratings before and after he left, But WCW of course totally misused him and never tried to use his momentum he had when he was in WWF

    • @simeonflake
      @simeonflake 2 года назад +1

      Maybe if Bischoff could've removed his head from Hogan's ass and actually listened to Bret, something positive could have came from his time in Atlanta. Then again, Bret's career down there didn't improve a bit when Russo and Ferrera were given the book....

    • @patale1640
      @patale1640 2 года назад

      They had the roster and tv time to produce 3 different shows with completely different main event draws on top. Sounds like a familiar problem recently.

    • @deanromanado5850
      @deanromanado5850 2 года назад +3

      It seemed like WCW wasn't so much wanting to get established talent, but wanted to make sure WWE didn't have any.

    • @highjim7778
      @highjim7778 2 года назад +1

      what u on about? bret was on top in 95 along with diesel and everything including the AE got better as soon as he took the backseat or went heal in 97.

    • @whtevr84
      @whtevr84 2 года назад

      @@highjim7778 Bret wasn't "on top" with Diesel in 1995, only for the last month or so of that year as a transitional champ until he passed the belt to Shawn, and even then he wasn't the focus of the card, 1995 was focused mainly on Diesel against monster heels and building up Shawn
      If 1997 is considered better to you, than it wasn't Bret "taking a back seat", he was a major focus of the company in 1997

  • @randommay9219
    @randommay9219 2 года назад +3

    Is it that he didn't draw or was he the only draw

  • @blueeyeddevil9441
    @blueeyeddevil9441 2 года назад +1

    Why only have spare parts kept in the trunk when you can tow an exact duplicate of your vehicle? Hopefully there is also a Rock Auto GMC Dealership to serve my needs and other curiosities and queries.

  • @blakemaxfield4267
    @blakemaxfield4267 2 года назад +3

    Cornette is a Bret Hart guy

  • @andrewbrown95
    @andrewbrown95 22 дня назад

    Incredible that the May '97 IYH main event between Undertaker and Austin did 186, 000 buys. SummerSlam '98 between the two did 700, 000

  • @randommay9219
    @randommay9219 2 года назад +1

    You should hear Vaders take on the 96 ratings

  • @cutekanjii
    @cutekanjii 2 года назад +2

    Yeah but Diesel and Razor had not long left also in mid 96 which didn't help. The thing is shawn wasnt very popular amoung guys especialy as a babyface. As a face it was mainly girls that liked him but the wrestling fans in large are male & michaels just wasn't appealing as a draw for them. It would be uncool for them to go into school and talk about HBK or be wanting go watch him although his matches & in ring ability was great but it was the gimmick with the ojtfits, the earrimgs, the dancing and the theme music was really aimed at girls. Except maybe as a heel in DX later on he was more cool for guys to like.

  • @troystaunton254
    @troystaunton254 2 года назад +6

    I’ve always felt Nash, hart and michaels get a bad deal. Everyone talks about how their time on top was a low point and it was. But people act like they weren’t draws. The reality is Vince McMahon books and booked garbage for pretty much 40 of his 45 year career and it was particularly bad in the mid 90s when he decided everyone had to have another job hockey player, garbage man. Dumb things like that and then to make it all worse their other job was their whole personality. Vince booked rubbish. So In a 1hr show 50minutes was insufferable and then you had bret, shawn, Nash, taker and mankind literally drawing all the money. So they weren’t making ridiculous money but it was these maligned guys who drew all of it.

    • @jayw.1042
      @jayw.1042 2 года назад

      Who gives a fuck? If you’re a horrible person you’re a horrible person

  • @TheFreeSkate
    @TheFreeSkate 2 года назад +2

    I know personally as die hard WWF fan...
    When Bret lost at WM 12... Shawn took over while bret was gone, I was hardly watching, i was in and out a lot.
    Bret Hart made me a WWF fan in 1992.

  • @dalecouvillion870
    @dalecouvillion870 2 года назад +1

    That was about the time they lost Razor and Diesel.

  • @Thejonesguy
    @Thejonesguy 2 года назад +2

    Jim eats corn the long way 😂

  • @randommay9219
    @randommay9219 2 года назад +1

    The leg was in 98 Jerry the king said I'll show you how we do an interview in the 90s

  • @gilbertangelo3692
    @gilbertangelo3692 2 года назад +3

    Back in the days wrestling had good talent good matches there's no way you can compare wrestling back then to now I stopped watching wrestling back in 2002 I'm in my early 30s and I just can't stand watching it no more I'm sorry it's no good

  • @TeefrmGA
    @TeefrmGA 2 года назад +4

    I was in Japan in 97 and saw some of the PPVs free. I saw the HIAC, Mankind vs Taker. In 96, Raw had gotten boring because HBK was getting old and annoying.

  • @fayerson
    @fayerson 2 года назад

    That 4.0 was an appearance by the Ultimate Warrior.

  • @willsmith625
    @willsmith625 2 года назад +2

    Further proof of how overrated HBK is. He was never able to be the man, was an ass behind the scenes and has gotten better with revisionist history. While truly a great athlete-he was never a great wrestler nor the guy you could really put the belt on and draw with.

  • @Phexyn
    @Phexyn 2 года назад

    These pictures are pure gold :D

  • @mikepeterson764
    @mikepeterson764 2 года назад

    They had just south of 2 million viewers and came in first on cable for Raw and second for prime time tv.

  • @christerry1611
    @christerry1611 2 года назад

    They went to monthly pay per views in May of 95 with the first In Your House

  • @Xxrocknrollgod
    @Xxrocknrollgod 2 года назад +4

    Ratings sucked in 96

  • @stevensingleton6742
    @stevensingleton6742 2 года назад +1

    The NWO was hot! 123 kid, Razor and Diesel all left and become bigger stars by dropping the Gimmicks. HBK was also the first time me and my friends heard anything real about outside of the ring behavior that we really understood was real life.

  • @DynastyIcon
    @DynastyIcon 2 года назад +3

    Jim & Brian are CM Punk marks so can't wait to see how they defend Punk being a problem in AEW these days like he was in WWE..

    • @dexenationgracey1979
      @dexenationgracey1979 2 года назад

      Which is odd considering Punk is on record calling himself a bigger headache than 90s HBK.

  • @christhornycroft3686
    @christhornycroft3686 2 года назад +8

    Without Bret in the mid 90s wrestling a decent opponent, WWF was in trouble. Everyone likes Shawn these days, but the guy couldn’t pop much of a rating or a PPV buyrate. I love Corny, but unless your product is culturally relevant, you’re going nowhere. Yes, wrestling psychology and booking matter. But if the people involved aren’t living in the current day and feel like relics of the previous decade, nobody wants to see them and you go out of business.

    • @GrayRedRoom
      @GrayRedRoom 2 года назад +1

      Bret was a terrible draw.

    • @misterknightowlandco
      @misterknightowlandco 2 года назад +2

      The formula is simple but no one does it. Just have stories that make sense, good rivalries, and good booking like back in the day, but keep all the modern high spots. Just space them out so they have more impact and have a good story. It ain’t rocket science.

  • @outlawrob316
    @outlawrob316 2 года назад

    If the reason the ratings changed was losing Bret and Shawn being on top, why were the ratings really ‘cooking’ post mania? No one ever likes to mention it but the best ratings in that period were when the Warrior was back and they drop off in June…exactly when he left…

  • @andycain4351
    @andycain4351 2 года назад

    2:43 Hang on a minute, that's my phone number 😉😂👍