Jim Cornette Reviews A&E’s Biography Of DX
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- From Episode 445 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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I agree with Brian. Waltman is one of the most honest people in wrestling. He is brutally honest, takes responsibility for his actions, and doesn't make excuses for anything. I have to give him credit for that.
He really is. He's had more than his share of rough times, but he's never anything less than honest and candid and owns everything. I'm glad he seems to be in a better place now.
@@user-do2ev2hr7h He turned from the least to most likeable member of DX. He matured nicely and is the only one that will admit they screwed people over. Kevin Nash (Kliq, not DX) talks like he never did anything wrong.
Still to this day, I love his championship match against Bret Hart, he was a hell of a worker.
@@johnkolko5199 His analysis of things that went on/are going on in wrestling is also pretty spot on. It's a shame he never got some sort of creative/coaching position because I think he could do well (at least now that he's sober) in that type of role.
@@user-do2ev2hr7h I am sure he will now that Triple H is in charge. Frankly he was such a druggie for so many years that he could not be relied upon. I am glad to see he has cleaned up and hope he gets such a position in the future,
This made me realize how much late 90s attitude era influenced my elementary school experience. It was WWF and Pokemon.
"If you're not down with Charizard, we've got two words for ya..."
If only we'd known we could have got Mew from Nugget Bridge 😆
@@AWX_Wrestling Hydro pump?
@@AWX_Wrestling A sentence I may have uttered during recess 😂
@@La-Ahad
Nah man leech seed. Venusaur gang 4 life
That's the thing people who want attitude back don't understand. Attitude was a product of it's time, it's like what Vince said in "Cure for the common show" promo, they were trying to be current. Springer was big, Manson was at his peak, South Park was just around the corner. It was what was happening in pop culture at the time.
I don't want the attitude era back at all. I want back the atmosphere that the guys who took this shit seriously during the attitude era had. Eddie, Kurt, Benoit and many others all had such an intense vibe to their matches that just hasn't been felt since and it had nothing to do with crotch shots or goofy promos or women in bikinis. It's really just coincidence that WWF had the best matches up and down the card that they had ever had in their companies history at the same time they were pushing outrageous stuff.
Yeah really this. I feel like modern wrestling has missed the mark on what's in the culture. Like when prestige television was surging with Game of thrones and everywhere is trying to do more complex long term mature stories, WWE main show was short term and inconsistent. Things wanna push for realism and AEW half the time seem like people have magic powers. It's a disconnect from what the actual pulse is.
But at the same time it's nostalgia driven which is definitely prevalent
@@derpderpin1568 if your favorite part of the attitude era was benoit matches I don't know what to tell you. Modern wrestling is literally catered to people specifically like you. The Meltzerization of wrestling and the fans who obsess over "workrate" is all that is left now
Even though we knew it was 'fake' it still had some mystique and kayfabe to it.
Imagine someone active in the AE talking about playing parts or performances. They'd get beaten to death.
The total killing of the business now in that we can all see behind the curtain means we'll probably never see those highs again, in a repeat of the AE or in whatever other format.
But it wasn’t even cool back then. Wrestling was cool right before the attitude era when Austin and NWO were new. It became trash tv real quickly
DX were one of the important steps in changing the tone of the show, it wasn't THE draw but is a cornerstone of the Attitude era.
Factual.
That’s exactly it Jim, the wrestling boom of the period was largely fueled by middle school and high schoolers.
This is true, I was one of them.
College students too.
Exactly so.
@RA Coon thank the Boomers for that.
Exactly
When Jim said bret was the only person being honest about how the lockeroom felt had me rolling... Bret just keps it 100 all the time its amazing.
He's just brutally honest like Jim. People call him bitter and insult his conditions like the Jim haters do lol
""If You're Not Down With That, We've Got Two Words For Ya!" - DX
"Lost smile"
That's when DX started getting good.
@@BeeBumper "No Yob".
Go Away!?
And they had a whole stadium full of ppl to shout it for them every night.
DX catered to the teenage crowd, and they were very over. I remember in high school Stone Cold and DX shirts were the most popular.
I remember a DX NWO Wolfpack fued in high school. So many "friends" divided by green and black and red and black. Those were the days
I was there too,such chaos brung sweet tears to my eyes! 😎 🤙
I stayed loyal to the black and white brother! Anyone that uses a “bogus” for years, has my vote.
No way y'all were banging nWo and DX 😂😂
I'm honestly glad that someone Is documenting the real story of wrestling here on this channel. My dad was a promoter in bullet bobs promotion as well as Memphis and deep south. Worked all auditoriums from boutwell to the prymid later in his career. N I've been eternally frustrated with this shoemaker guy on there acting like he's an expert. It's like a revisionist history is being written and I kno my dad wouldn't like it. So thank you guys I can listen to these stories everyday and it's awesome when you guys say something and it clicks with my recollection of events. Means the world fr
Mr Shumaker been around for a long time
That’s the thing about watching something you actually lived through. You know when they’re trying to bs the audience who is watching these docs. I’ve had to say so many times, “that’s not how it really was.” in these and other WWE pieces.
1986 in Central Alabama, Saturday evenings at 6PM... CWF...The Bullet, Johnny Rich, Hot Stuff Eddie Gilbert, Dirty White Boy, Austin Idol and Adrian Street! Great times!
To be fair, I was an extremely sophomoric 28 year old back then. So yeah I loved DX 🤣. The Corporation parody was my favorite.
28 and yih were a dx fan. What were you?, Mentally 10
The Nation parody was hilarious
The funny thing is that now with Trips in charge, and HBK as VP of talent and creative...it took them 25 years to do it, but DX finally conquered Vince and WWE.
You were the audience they were targeting as well
I was an extremely sophomoric 33 year old.
The original DX was the best iteration. They felt like legit loose canons, ready and willing to break the 4th wall on a whim. Thumbing their nose at ‘professionalism’ and tv standards was just icing on the cake. That was the appeal - you never knew what they might say or do, the old rules didnt apply. A stale product finally felt spontaneous again.
Brian’s take that HBK had ‘go away’ heat is insane. From his return after losing his smile to his departure at WM14, HBK was the most white-hot heel on the roster.
Yeah, I’ve never heard anyone but Brian suggest fans wanted HBK off the show.
It shows how far personal hatred can take you from reality.
As a face he’s sayin he had the go away heat… not as a heel
HBK just didn't have what it takes to be the guy
@@butch5419 But he didn't if anything HBK reinventing himself with DX
@@shibbyjim he was the guy. HBK would be put in the main event even when he wasn't World Champion (I am pretty sure this irritated Bret Hart). Vince knew NOT putting HBK on last would be a hard act to follow.
Anyone who was born in the late 70s early 80s was the perfect age for the attitude era. We ate that shit up.
I was born in '90 and got into it in '99. I met my best friend the day after Owen fell from the ceiling. He came up to me and was asking me if I heard about what happened, but I didn't know who the Hart's were at that time, so he started telling me about the famous Hart wrestling family.
It was common to see boys in school from various grades wearing WWF shirts. By late 2001/2002 though, there was a noticeable shift where wrestling wasn't as much of a fad.
I personally feel HHH would’ve been stalled out at midcard without the return of Waltman, and that XPac doesn’t get nearly the credit he deserves for saving DX and Hunter’s momentum. Further, I feel like the rest of DX got completely screwed by lack of direction from the creative team after HHH left.
Agree. Xpac is a unsung hero. The New Age Outlaws too. Them joining DX took the stable to a new level and helped HHH and Chyna tremendously.
The Outlaws too to an extent. None of them were getting cheered until Waltman came in. Suddenly they became one of the most popular acts in the company.
X-Pac should've won the 1999 King of the Ring and got a singles push instead of Billie Gunn.
The problem is that all three were messed up big time on drugs at that point. There wasn't much they could do with them. Had they had their heads on straight I think the New Age Outlaws would have been main stays in the tag team division for years there. Likewise, X-Pac would have ruled the secondary title scene. I could even see a Cinderella storyline of him beating Triple H for the world title a some point.
@@jacobglaser7773 XPac did get a major storyline though. He was HHH'S 2nd in command so to speak. Their chemistry on TV looked real on TV because their bond was.
They set up the seeds late 99 for the turn on Kane and the thievery of Tori in 2000. One of the hottest angles in 2000 was the Xpac/Tori betrayal on Kane. XPac got no titles but more promo time and segment time. And personally, he was happy as a peacock standing side by side with his best bud who saved him multiple times in real life, finally on top in kayfabe life.
I literally was in 6th grade during DX. And it was cool and badass at that age for sure
i saw a live show in San Jose back in the day and i’ll never forget Chyna’s entrance. she was impressive!
Brian saying DX wasn't main event in the first iteration is as historically inaccurate as anything David Shoemaker may have said
Lmao, they tried but it didn't work. Their PPV was a huge bomb. You really should have watched it more before you commented. Calling Triple H a main eventer in 1997 is ludicrous.
Shawn was a main event guy. Chyna and Triple H were not, although Triple H definitely was on his way.
@@Rjensen2 if Shawn was a main event guy, then DX was a main event act.
Thats like saying nWo weren't main event because Hall and Nash weren't in the Hogan spot.
Also, the nWo PPV also bombed.
The DX PPV main event was HBK vs Shamrock with little build and immediately spinning out of the Montreal situation.
For comparison, IYH: Its Time in December of 1996 did about 90,000 buys with Bret Hart vs Sid as the Main Event.
IYH: DX did 146,000 buys with HBK vs Shamrock as the main event. And the 97 December IYH had higher attendance.
Thats substantial YOY growth for a December PPV.
It literally took me 4 minutes to find out that information.
@@Rjensen2 If the leader of the group was a main event guy then the faction was in the main event. DX is as important as anything for starting the Attitude era don't let Cornette and Brian lie to you about that because they did not like it
And he prides himself on being a “wrestling historian”. 😂
@@omarhosam8880 You aren't actually suggesting Triple H and Shawn Micheals were on the same level in 1997, are you?
Love these guys downplaying DX everything chance they get. Everyone was doing the dx crotch chop at school. It was huge!
Big facts, there hate is strong lol
Maybe at an elementary school. I was in high school in the late 90s and don’t recall it occurring.
Bro. They literally said it was childish…
Then you just said “oh it was big in my school” so you were young right? Your proving there point my guy… lol
@@FBaned y’all don’t listen 😂
Not really . nWo was way more popular
Thank you Brian for sticking up for Chyna
I was all in with DX. Teenage years. NWO, DX, Austin, String, Rock with the Nation, the cruiserweight. Good times.
Undertaker, Kane, Brett Hart + The Heart Foundations, Mick Foley - There were a lot of great characters and workers in one era.
Never cared for DX but Ioved the Nation. Not the Faarooq led Nation but the Rock led Nation. Rock , Owen , D-Lo , Godfather , and Mark Henry. The Rock and Nation picking on Chyna was my favorite segment of the Attitude era. Rung by rung , by damn rung. Then the Rock pretending he wants to kiss Chyna , then saying the Rock would never kiss you lol.
I couldn't agree with you more, wrestling kind of died for me when we lost Austin to injury/retirement and The Rock to Hollywood. The product was still okay after those two were gone but they certainly made it must watch television
Hell yeah
That String guy was legendary. He was over with cats.
Jim acts like Hbk didn’t have a second run that was just as memorable if not more. He put guys over,he wrestled greats like angle and Benoit,won the title,and had great moments with Ric and Taker. Dude made a solid comeback as a human and a wrestler.
That HBK/Angle WrestleMania match is one of my favorites of all-time.
Just because you don't think something is cool doesn't mean thousands of others wouldn't think it's cool, Jim. DX was a huge success and generated a lot of money with merchandise.
I was 14 when DX got started, and I can tell you with 100% certainty, everyone my age thought they were cool and bad ass. We all knew Austin was top dog, but we related to DX because they acted like me and my friends. We loved them.
Thank you. Their bias hate is making this hard to digest. DX was a ME act with Michaels. Then dropped to mid card after he left. The revisionist history is ridiculous
You were 14. However, you prove them right by saying SCSA was top dog. DX was that great side character but never the main character. The problem is that Shawn wanted to be the main character and that ruined any good he brought to the team
@@WizKiddAnt91 I can definitely agree that once Shawn left, we didn't see them in the same light as they once were. Still loved them as much, but we knew none of them could hang with Austin or 'Taker.
EXACTLY
@@fatalsniper3413 Do people need a refresher ? SCSA wasn’t a consistent ME until the Michaels program. DX literally was on MNR half of the program
The reverse come back in terms of how Sean Walkmans is explained genuinely reminds me of Cody Rhodes now. Everyone was leaving for WCW, he is the first (and obviously more will) that was a shock (even though was spoiled), even after his ladder match I don’t think anyone thought he’d go back to wwe after being such a huge part of AEW/WWE berating etc.
Sean walkman, genius, missed opportunity gimmick haha.
@@iromulus33 *waltman
@@kokokril7462 Sony walkman
@@iromulus33 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Waltman
@@kokokril7462 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkman
This biography was good. Sean Waltman was the realest one out of all of them. I never knew that Billy Gunn had substance abuse issues until I saw this episode.
There's a shoot interview of Billy's and Road Dogg's from their TNA days. They're both drugged up an they shit on Stephanie, Triple H, Vince… It's interesting to watch.
Those two were always on drugs during that time and it got worst during their TNA run. High noon Paul and Hickabottom.
90's culture and "trash" TV was GREAT. Springer, Married w Children, Simpsons, South Park, Stern, WWF all of it. ppl still had a sense of humor. I will never apologize for loving it.
They say everyone has a twin out there....maybe I found mine's thru your interests 👍
I'm proud to have loved & enjoyed all them shows you've mentioned 💯
Attitude Era was lightning in a bottle, the right product at the right time with the right people. We’ll never see it’s like again. It was some of WWF/E’s most compelling programming. It also had some of its most cringe programming.
100% agree. Whatever the case was, everything lined up for guys to be more closer to there real life personalities. Before it was all kayfabe and now it's people pretending to be like these guys. I think this era was a page from Flairs book, where he actually was a lot (if not worse) than the Ric Flair in TV.
Meh 🫤
Jim is wrong about Chyna. She’s still referenced till this day in Latin American media. Not one other women wrestler is known like Chyna still is
the teddy pendergrass / harold melvin & the blue notes line was CLASSIC🤣
I prefer the original DX with Shawn tbh. The moment they lost him and gained the Outlaws,it just became midcard and even more childish but without the presence of a STAR to balance it out. Which is prob why HHH was ready to break away.
They were dull in the beginning. The outlaws made the group fun and interesting.
Agreed. It was an empty group without HBK's presence.
Without Shawn, DX would never have existed. And they were big. A great thing about DX was that they didn't have half the roster become members, like WCW did with the NWO. DX kept it local.
HHH explained why he wanted to go solo. He noticed how The Rock become a main eventer after leaving the NoD and he wanted to follow that same career path. He obviously loved working with the other DX guys, but he didn't want to do that forever.
@@decepticonxhunter4850 The nation was better without the rock
I agree with a lot of things Jim says , but I don’t agree with how he tries to diminish chyna as a draw , she was over , she wasn’t on the level of stone cold obviously, and while she didn’t deserve stone cold money , she was a big part of the attitude era
A cult following is not a draw.
Seeing this DX documentary, made me see how much the Bucks look like like a parody of them.
One thing to take away from this doc and Kliq doc is if it wasn't for Hunter these guys would've died a long time ago and being the sober guy, keeping your head down, eating shit, learning the business Hunter really is The Game because he played it the way it needs to be played for an outsider to be an insider and be in the position he's in.
Not really true. Also hunter as constant leader got boring anyway.
He really did, talk about living the Gimmick. and I'm not the biggest HHH fan but honestly imagine the business without him no matter what you think about how he got there. Still a douche in many ways but deserves credit and praise as well.
@@joen8529 dude wtf did Sean waltman do ? Gtfoh
@@Sky_Blaze Agree. HHH doesn’t get the respect he deserves. Him and Rock carried the company from the end of 99 - 2000. He’s a jerk but deserves his flowers
Nash and HHH were the level headed ones, HBK and Razor were the ones with all the talent but the most demons, Walkman was like the little brother stuck between his 4 other older brothers.
Their hatred for HBK is so funny. I dont think the show ever mentioned HHH and Chyna dating
It didn't. No mention of it at all
Their hatred for the entire Kliq is ridiculous. Hate them, whatever. But discrediting their success or contributions or impact or how much money they made the company is false.
It's funny and ridiculous but you're all still here listening.
I was a bit surprised that there was ZERO mention of Rick Rude. He was shown in a couple of the flashback vids but not one person mentioned his involvement.
Exactly he was a part of the original version of DX he should've been mentioned
You can't mention original DX without Rick rude. Rude would help Shawn and hunter win matches.
Oddly I don't think the show ever mentioned what DX was a play on, which was Generation X. And Gen X was like that at that time. Era of Jerry Springer and all that stuff on MTV. A good reminder of the times is the Woodstock 99 docs on Netflix and HBO Max.
HHH said that in interviews and partially credits Shane for the name.
Jim is 100 percent right. I was at the curtain call show and I had no idea what was going on.
I admire HHH, he could’ve easily have been influenced by his circle of friends, but kept his head up and now he’s on top of the world.
As long as his ticker holds out
"they claim that Shawn was self-medicating due to his bad back"
"he'd been self-medicating that bad back for 3 years before he got it"
jim is too savage bro lmao
I don't know what Shawn Michaels did to Brian that was so personal since he tries to bury him every time.
Bret Hart is his favorite wrestler and he can’t let go, even if Bret has.
David Shoemaker is nothing but a mark who got hired by ESPN because of Bill Simmons. Meltzer has more credibility than Shoemaker. And man, that says a lot.
They completely surgically REMOVED Chyna's Relationship with HHH and Stephanie is no where to be seen in this episode....?
They were badass and cool when you were a teen or in your early 20s because they were thumbing their noses or chopping their crotches at authority.
Dx was the start of wwe regaining the top spot in pro wrestling. Micheals and triple H planted the seeds for the attitude era and it just took off from there. It was a Product of its time it was the late 90s people wanted rebels and attitude it just worked
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I already know how this video is gonna play out; Brian is gonna downplay the importance of DX and Jim is gonna talk about how he didn't necessarily care for them.
I was in 7th grade when DX formed and they were OVER!! Everyone was doing the DX chop!!!
Lmfao I’m only 1:38 into the video and you’re absolutely right! Brian hasn’t said much but Corny just said he wasn’t a big fan of there’s and that’s he didn’t think they were cool🤣🤣 I don’t think I’ll be able to stand Brian Lying about their importance so I’ll just listen to another clip of a different topic 🤣
Everyone in grade 7 and below.
@@BeeBumper dude, I was in highschool from 1999-2003 and people were still doing it. Even sports stars were doing the DX chop. I believe it was Donovan McNabb did it during a football game.
There whole point is that it was childish. All of you guys keep saying “when I was younger I loved DX”
Y’all keep proving this man right lol
AMEN!!!!
Brian Last really wants the world to think Shawn was the shits. The guy didn't draw Austin, Rock money but he was the best guy at his time.
Exactly
Brian Last comes off as if he has a personal vendetta against Shawn Michaels. He almost always trashes him.
That's virtually anything at WWE (or 'Titan' as I'm sure he still thinks of them). When it's something indisputably good, he says nothing, otherwise it's non-stop smark snark. It's like talking to a 13 y/o wrestling fan in 2005
@@danthemancushecan at least Cornette had personal interactions with him, Last just comes off rediculous. It's the same as when he talks about Ultimate Warrior "me and all my friends only cared about the Warrior and not Hogan" great, you're not everybody
@@newhere2419 exactly. I can totally see Cornette and his dislike for HBK. He actually had to work with him and was around the guy. He knew him back then. Last comes off rather ridiculous in his dislike for them.
Corny going apeshit when he sees and reviews the Mox-Punk match. RIP Punk and AEW.
Came here looking for a comment like this. I can't wait lol
@@LTKK Same here LOL
I can’t believe that happened. Yeah WTF.
@@WyattHolliday Did Punk really hurt himself again so they had to end the match quicker or was that some kind of punishment? I don't know
@@joaomendes147 I have no idea! But I’m definitely curious to find out. Whatever is going on, it’s super weird.
Unlike Austin, Rock etc., DX only really worked for a few months in 1998 and 1999. Later they just became heel flunkies for Hunter who had a completely different gimmick at that point and let's just not talk about the awful DX comebacks with religious Shawn and Hornswoggle
You're partially wrong.
Rock was still in the Nation until September 98. After his IC feud with HHH blew over.
It wasn't like he was a singles star all of 1998. And even then, two months later, he was back in a stable. This time, the Corporation from Nov. 98-April 99.
DX was a collective late 97-spring 99.
Even when HHH departed at WM15, the Outlaws and Xpac were still doing DX as a trio until the summer. Billy defected in June for his singles push. And that's when you could say it truly fell a part and floundered. By August, Gunn was buried by Rock. Dogg was going to do honors for an incoming Jericho. Pac and Kane's tag team were fizzling out as they dropped the tag titles to Show and Taker.
Once that happened they were directionless. It wasn't until HHH united them in the fall during his feud with the McMahon Family where they became relevant again and picked up steam. From April 98 , for the next year, the crowd turned them babyfaces and they made crazy money.
With their leader finally ascending to the top, and Vince screwing him at Survivor Series, they had a reason to turn heel and reunite with him as the top heel.
And it made the McMahon-Helmsley Era in 2000 that much more awesome. The rebels of authority finally got the power with their guy as the head honcho. Mafia stuff, just DX style. Like Scarface said. 1st you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the women.
Austin was the only one after losing Dibiase as his manager stayed solo...until he decided to go solo and join forces with HHH to form the 2ManPowerTrip in 2001.
When HHH left them in 1999, the rest of DX were complely lost and were pushed horribly on their own. I wonder if it was HHH's political moving behind the scene. Then they only became important again when yea they became lackeys to HHH. If I were these guys, I would have been pissed.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 They weren't lackeys and because they were floundering a part, a decision was made to put them back together.
@@Speedyreedy1218 they were clearly lackeys of World Champ HHH.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 No.
I think Jim mistakes what WWE is saying about Chyna in their documentaries. Chyna was the first woman to ever be presented as an equal to men on a national stage like that. Chyna was very unique in what she brought to the table. She was the first to do many thing that will likely never be done again. Was she the greatest performer in the history of the business? No, she wasn't. She was simply unique, and special in her own way.
Other women wrestlers who were equal to men were. Jazz, Francine, dawn Marie, Trinity from ECW. Daffney from WCW, madusa from WCW, Jacqueline from WWF, Victoria from WWF. Etc.
@@marccaselle8108 They all lacked the IT factor that Chyna had.
The idea that DX wasn't a main event is absurd. They were huge from day one, and gigantic when Waltman came back. And of course he didn't get it, he wasn't the demographic.
You don’t understand. DX was over but they weren’t the main event because Stone Cold was. DX was the funny side character/best friend that you enjoyed.
@@fatalsniper3413 sure, but compared to anyone in modern wrestling, they were absolute superstars. Im sorry, I don't agree that Shawn was ever not a top guy until he left. Rock v Austin was definitely the biggest thing ever, but DX could have filled stadiums on their own.
@@stonehorn4641 Shawn was a weak top guy so him being a top guy in a trash period doesn’t mean that he’s successful draw. DX couldn’t fill out stadiums. Why? Because DX were fun. Fun isn’t selling out stadiums nor is a fun person a main event guy. The top face has to project himself as a tough sob. Shawn couldn’t
Whew -- Jim is underrating Chyna here. She livened up HHH's career and was a mainstream star in the attitude era. There's no glorifying her. She's worthy of the praise.
I know you feel how you feel corny but as a seventh grader in 97, DX was one of the greatest things ever I'm sorry.... Looking back at it now as a grown man.... Yep it was childish 😂
You know he doesn't read RUclips comments, right?
@@poindexterflex3528 Lol they literally said they were looking in the comments the other day on a video 🤣
@@DillyDilly13 Link it. I promise you Jim Cornette does not search his RUclips videos for comments from randos like you.
Jim is spot on about DX, and it wasn't just Shawn's participation; Austin was a stone cold bad ass without debate, The Rock was ultra cool and had a slick, grounded gimmick which he enhanced through his natural charisma and ability to talk, and Undertaker was a legend in the making who immediately struck you as a predator/and or someone you ought to take notice of (Kane had that too). HBK's DX was essentially high school humour ("Haha, dick ... pussy ... ass ... disrespecting everyone ... haha").
They called it "sophomoric", but that's a euphemism --- it was immature teenage banter which was enacted by a group of guys either in their 30s or pushing 30.
I agree with everything except Undertaker being a legend in the making.
He'd only been in the gimmick for about 5 yrs or so before that but, as far as I was concerned, he was already a legend lol
Edit: just as Stone Cold's run was only a few short years but it felt longer than that and he is/was a legend then too
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 You make a good point. But by 1997 Undertaker had been around for 7yrs and he'd transitioned from his zombie-esque ring style to a faster, more nuanced approach and was beginning his storyline with Kane (after Mankind had added another layer to him) --- both of which added extra gravitas to the character.
I probably chose my words poorly (as you pointed out), but Taker was definitely a staple of WWF by 97 and almost an attraction by himself at that stage -- nowhere near the draw that Austin was, but he had a unique magnetism and star attraction by himself.
@@xziggy_stardustx6786 Sorry, you misunderstand.
I didn't say (or intend to mean) you were wrong in any way. You made a very good comment and I thought I'd add my own little quip to it.
I simply meant: as popular a star as he was, and a legend in the making, as you rightly said - _for me_ he was always a legend from the beginning.
I wasn't contradicting you. I was merely adding my own humorous take. Sorry if that didn't come across.
Brian just keeps repeating this "go away heat" line about HBK trying to will it into retroactive existence. But however much you hate him, deservedly or not, It's just not true. Shawn was over then. DX was main event until Shawn left, and wasn't again for a couple years.
No, he's absolutely correct. That's why Shawn didn't draw shit until Bret came back.
How can you even argue Triple H and Chyna were main eventers in 1997?
He definitely has baseless opinions that are 100% personal, regarding HBK. It almost borders on pathetic bitterness
That’s like saying that Punk, Bryan, Batista or other popular stars of the 2010’s had go away heat when ratings, etc. dipped whenever the shows stopped focusing on Cena. Or the people who take the piss out of Bret (who, If you take overseas out of the equation isn’t exactly known for his drawing power) because he didn’t do Hogan numbers. Doesn’t mean that any of them were actively driving fans away from the product.
@@hunterjg777 It’s petty and immature.
Shawn politicked his way (with the rest of DX) to that spot. Sells like a fish flopping around out of water, so blatantly overrated and not just ratings but every part of the WWF tanked when he was champion. Some great matches for sure but WWE documentaries have programmed people over the years to buy into the idea that is the greatest ever which is laughable.
This is where Jim Cornette and his cohost shows his clear bias against Shawn Michaels and Triple H. Degeneration X was my favorite wrestling stable of all time and definitely one of the top three. If not top two wrestling stables of all time.What they did absolutely help defined the attitude era and every member of the group had their part to play in the group. It helped make Triple H, Chyna,The New Age Outlaws,and X Pac all Hall of famers.They're promos and skits were legendary and memorable. Jim just refuses to give this group their full credit.
The attitude era was a rip off ecw you can't give dx credit for that Dx wasn't the nwo
@@KAR5AVATARGT DX wasn't a rip off of nothing ECW was ECW fans like me say differently.
@@flyguy7825 Yeah Jim shows his age in these segments. DX was a fun group and matched where the culture was at that time in the 90’s.
Maybe YOU'RE showing YOUR clear bias in favor of DX. Hmmmm?… HMMMMM?!?!
#TeamTripleH #DX4Life
Three things Corney refuses to acknowledge...
1.Chyna's stardom. 2.Asuka's talent. 3.Jeff Jarrett's irrelevance.
Man, I get it. Jim and Brian dont like Shawn Michaels. But people loved DX and Shawn very important to that. Also, another reason people liked DX later was The New Age Outlaws being involved they were very over. Also, Jim and Brian's bias continue to show when they think that taker and others dont like Shawn now. They didn't then, but times change guys.
Good to listen to stories or whatever, but these guys opinions are toilet water.
I understood they meant he didn't like Shawn *then* - not talking about today
But then I could have picked them up wrong
@@greglewia6160 that hasn't been flushed yet.
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 Yes, Undertaker was. But Jim thinks he talking about not liking Shawn ever which isnt true. Jim doesnt understand that, and Brian is a Brett Hart Mark so he hates on Michaels at any chance lol
@@andrewperez8902 I know what you meant, and that's what I said.
I don't know how to reword it. I understood that Jim and Brian _think_ that he only hated him back then.
I felt you picked them up wrong but maybe I did. Who knows
How come nobody ever mentions the 4th member of the original DX…Ravishing Rick Rude
Shawn never had go away heat. Come on now, that's a reach
Call me a mark, at that time , I loved chyna’s work with the guys.
Cornette didn't like DX because of Micheals, in my opinion Micheals made DX, after he left I felt DX was forced and if you force a fart it's shit!
Has Shoemaker ever responded to Jim and Brian shitting on him? I feel like he’s such a mark he’d be honored to have a promo cut on him.
HBK didnt have go away heat before his long break. That was his best run. As far as DX goes they were only the nWo from Wish.
Agreed.
I think I’m close to Brian Last in age… I wasn’t the biggest DX guy, but I did love their theme song. I was a bigger fan of the original group, but it was fun to see the newer version feud with the Nation.
Well Jim I was def in middle school during this era and hell yes it was Cool 😂😂😂 that was the point to put money in not just Vince’s pockets but yours too because that kept the show going
Yes targeting middle school
@@chrischar9428 it worked....
@@cjtuckerbpmc yeah piss off long time and then fad fans move on and here we are
It definitely worked. I remember being in middle school at the time all my friends and cousins were completely into raw & smackdown religiously during that era
DX was cool but the show would've kept going with or without them.
"bich, you without me is like harold melvin without the blue notes, you'll never go platinum" lol
What would have made Waltman's career better would have been a run with the IC title. He held the tags, cruiserweight, and European titles but never the quote/unquote "work horse title" on the guy who everyone has said if you could have a helluva match with him then you had it made. So why didn't they pull the trigger and make it a double edge sword back then?
He was really good in the ring. I think his size held him back from getting a shot at the IC title.
What's crazy is he fought for the IC title several times over the years
watch his match with bret hart on raw in 1993
The lack of empathy for Chyna bothers me
I love how on point Xpac is in the picture, Plus DX wasn't cool til Pac and NAO jumped in
Shawn did not have go away heat…🤣
Brian has convinced himself this is true as if he was the only one watching wrestling in 97 lmao.
DX did
Brian just has Beef with anything that cool in its time.
I don't think he really knows what go away heat is. No fan wanted Shawn to go away.
@@TheTalk23 plenty did
This was the worst WWE propaganda yet. DX was the hottest act in the business, yet they couldn't stop the company from losing to WCW in the ratings for 83 straight weeks.
Not necessarily. The dx with 5 members didnt start until April 98 which is when wwf started winning the ratings. Technically the 83 week losing streak ended when the 2nd version of dx began. It was when the group was just HBK and hhh in late 97 that they were in the midst of the 83 week losing streak.
I was in 5th-6th grade and DX were the talk of the town at Small Town Southern Elementary. The school had the guidance counselor explain to all the boys in 5th grade that we can't do the crotch chops. Lol.
The only version of DX that was tolerable was the faction with HHH, Road Dogg, Billy Gunn and X pac with Tori! I loved it when they jumped people and tossed them in the DX express lol
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Put some goddamn respect on Chyna's name. That woman was criminally underappreciated.
This times 100.
One of best entrance themes ever .original and over . Part of reason wwf ratings went up. Especially to counter book nwo
Thanks Brian for clarifying the reasons Chyna had problems. She was great for that time. Made me as a woman want to hit the weights.
DX was cool; their antics were hilarious and I think that was the point! I didn't even find it offensive when they did the blackface for Nation of Domination, which they would never get away with in this time and place
im pretty sure the nation dressed up like them too.
@@darylhall2198 yea it was entertaining and they accused the Hart Foundation of saying the N word; that segment was gold!! 😂😂😂
@@corderothomas1189 such a good segment. Guy who played owen nailed it.
@@darylhall2198 Jason sensation
Watch WWE "Table for 3" with the Nation. None of those guys were offended and they all thought it was funny as hell. The only one who apparently had an issue with it was The Rock according to HHH.
I was always an Xpac stan. Even more so, when I learned he was cranking meth the whole time!
The disdain im his voice when he said suck it was priceless. 😂
I'll disagree with Brian, HBK didn't have go away heat at all. DX was one of the biggest acts in wrestling under his leadership. And to me they never were as cool after Shawn left. He gave them an edge and they were better as heels anyway. It's ironic though that the things Cornette didn't like: DX and nWo were a big part of the success of the Monday Night Wars and happen to be when he sort of lost booking/creative power.
Yeah, his hatred for Shawn clouds his judgment
@@weatheredtome exactly
The first DX was my favorite DX
The drawing of Billy Gunn is laugh out loud funny shit.
Jim understated the importance of sable and chyna. They became major stars that crossed over outside of professional wrestling while most of the girls weren’t allowed to become a star.
The biggest laughable part of WWE is saying DX was comparable to the NWO... like not even close.
To be fair, who did HBK have to build the business? Vader? Sid? It’s not the man’s fault business was low. Austin had a whole army of talent on the card to help boost business.
You can’t build a business around Shawn. Any man that loses to him in a fair fight is automatically downgraded. Still a great talent but generally not a great fit due to his ego. Even in 98 he was cool as a heel but not good enough as a World Champion beating multiple top guys.
WWF and the Attitude Era was right place, right time for a big reason that has almost little to do with Russo.
Remember when Vince launched his 1993 "New Generation" that was geared toward children? Five years later those kids, including myself, were teens or pre-teens and wanted something cool. The Attitude Era fit our rebellious teen mindsets perfectly. What 12-15 year old didn't want to flip the bird like Austin or do the DX chop to people?
The problem today is WWE has been PG under Vince for 13 years so a whole generation came and went never knowing anything else but comedy wrestling. Even if HHH were to bring old school Attitude style to modern day WWE, teens wouldn't get it.
Just because Brian wants to show his bias and claim HBK had go away heat with everyone, that isn't at all true, some fans may have not liked him, but he was incredibly popular, I attended tons of live events and saw it in person.
Brian u have go away heat now!!!
The target audience was high school to college. And DX was a big draw behind austin and vince early-mid 1998. People wanted to see a hhh lead dx go against a rock lead nation of domination. And hbk having go away heat? Maybe in nov 1996 vs sid but as a heel late 97-98 he was white hot heel as the leader of DX. Ik jim holds grudges but cmon now lol
The way I recall it when Shawn was brought to that Raw when WWF announced the WCW buy, they planned to use him on TV that night. He got high and was found passed out. Apparently it was Triple H that dimed him out to Vince, hence their argument and falling out. Not sure how Road Dogg got tangled in all that, I'm pretty sure he was out of the company by then.
Razor Ramon was a pop culture reference but it lasted. Rob Van Dam is kind of like Magnum TA in referencing a famous person he kind of looked like
Vince: Who will run my company when I leave?
D-Generation X: ARE YOU READY?
DX was always for the immature dudes, nWo for the older
DX was like South Park & Jerry Springer , While NWO was like 90s Gangsta Rap.
@@SuperbNProsper that's a great point
How crazy DX is literally owning wwe right now.
No, "they" are running WWE's creative and booking. They're NOT owning it, literally or figuratively. Shawn and the others own diddly-squat and Triple H's stake is much MUCH smaller than people who are too lazy to look things like that up fantasise in their "Uncle Trips is king" headcanon. He's the head of creative and EVP of talent relations, he doesn't run the business side.
Vince still holds more than 80% of the voting power in the company, thanks to his Class B stock. He forfeited 1/3rd or so of of his Class A stock when he resigned as CEO and chairman. One Class B share holds the voting power of ten Class A shares. And if your name isn't McMahon or you're one of Vince's cronies, your chances of getting your hands on Class B shares wile Vince is alive are _nada._ Literally nothing in the ownership power structure has effectively changed.
Yeah, Stephanie is the co chair, Helmsley is the creative, Fake Double J is the VP of live event, Shawn Michaels is running NXT.
They had a PPV named after them in 1997. They were main event as long as HBK was still there. Then they fell off to the mid card until HHH got his push later on, but by then DX was disbanded and HHH was ready to join the Corporation.
can't wait to hear Corny's reaction of Punk vs Mox squash match
Attitude era wouldn’t have happened if Shawn dipped out when he lost his smile… it would’ve been a huge loss.
As a 25 year old I loved DX because it was funny but badass at the same time. Before Edgelords were a thing
Awesome Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐
I always was a fan of waltman I just enjoy seeing him