Un-boxing my new LiFePO4 Batteries from Eco Worthy
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- In this video I unbox my three new Lithium Iron Phosphate 30 amp hour batteries from Eco Worthy.
I have bought these to run in parallel as a leisure battery in my Nissan Elgrand campervan. I know that lots of people are looking at the options presented by Lithium batteries, both LiFePO4 and LION to create more reliable power with a nice flat charge profile, and to give themselves a weight and space saving at the same time.
I'm no Will Prowse or Professor Hobo - just some basic testing and comparison from me - hopefully you find it useful.
My take is that these little batteries will work together as a 90 amp hour battery, and should deliver me around 1,080 Watt Hours - close to the same as a £1,000 Battle Born 100 amp hour battery, or a unit like the Jackery 1,000, but for vastly less money.
As ever - interested in your thoughts - I'll aim to respond if I can to any questions.
In a little over a week I will hopefully have these fitted, so I'll shoot a further video then taking you through the installation and more detailed costing of the whole set up - I think that LiFePO4 makes great sense as a compact power solution, especially coupled with solar in a motorhome or campervan, and could even work for off grid living in a tiny house.
Should you wish to purchase some of these batteries you can do so directly via the Eco Worthy site or Amazon. Please note, I'm an Amazon Affiliate so if you buy via Amazon I will earn a small amount of commission, for which I'll be eternally grateful.
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Note, at the time of writing, eco worthy direct offered the batteries at a lower price.
So, you've seen the batteries I picked up. Are you planning on buying LiFePO4? Maybe thinking about building a set up from blue batteries off of AliBaba, or are you buying a premium set up, or maybe going mid-price like the set from Eco Worthy?
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Cheers - they've been installed in the back of my van for 18 months now and they just work. Never even had low power, let alone any kind of issue with the batteries.
Nice one mate hope all goes well with the van mate great video Don 🤠🇬🇧👍👍👍👍
I had 3 of these 30Ah batteries in parallel in my portable power station, I was so happy with their performance that I've decided to add the 4rth one to get ~120Ah/1050W. they are the lowest price battery I could find in Canada that still perform well enough for my intended use.I did charge them individually as recommended by the manufacturer.
My question to you is, it's been 2 years, are you still happy with them? was there any surprises? any regrets?
Nice one. Mine are still running nicely too.
Great content well explained. Subscribed. 8 month on how are they doing please. I just bought two of these as the reviews are brilliant.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Glad you found it useful - yes, they're still good. Yet to run out of juice when camping without hook up for a few days at a time.
I've been planning to do a proper capacity test but am yet to get it done..
Hopefully get some time around Christmas.
Im curious how you installed these. Im really annoyed with the recessed lugs, makes it difficult to attach the cables in a tight space.
Booked cables in to the top. I've got some shots of the set up about for minutes in to this video is interested - ruclips.net/video/s3bShsUMZ-M/видео.html
Have you done capacity test to see if 30ah rating is accurate?
Not yet. Been wondering how to do it. My suspicion is that one of the batteries has a lower capacity. Didn't seem to want to take charge as well when I charged them up before installation..
For my purposes not hugely significant as I have more than I need, but if I'm right then really not great.
How would you go about running a capacity test? My wattmeter is ac only and I've hooked the batteries up in parallel - 12v system..
@@stewreviews9345 Did you ever get the dodgy battery working or exchanged? I've read that you need a decent lithium charger to reset the bms to get a dead/dodgy battery charging again. Any chance of an update video on these batteries. Thanks
@@chrisbee796 - I've installed all the batteries in parallel and have been using my campervan. I'm not seeing an issue.
I find that I can run everything from the batteries for a couple of days without seeing a drop in charge - I haven't made it beyond two days without driving so far, so never hit the point of running the battery flat.
So, I think that a) I probably didn't need 90ah, 60 would be fine for my usage, and b) it's likely just fine.
Can U use these for a mobility scooter
Hi there - possibly - it depends on the power required by the scooter - these are "one c". That means there is a top level to how much power you can draw - around 350-400 watts with one battery, going up if you have more in parallel. So three should give over 1kw.
If that's enough to power the scooter then I can't really see why it wouldn't work - best to check though - I am no expert.
Please do capasity test
I really must. Have bought a 12v wattmeter - just need to get it booked up and get the batteries fully charged..
Hi, I've just got some of these for a small trolling motor but Interested in why you would want to buy 3 of these instead of just a 100ah for around the same price? Maybe you got a good deal on them?
In my camper I managed to make a 200ah lifepo4 for around £500 but having just purchased some of these eco-worthy for £140 each I would have much sooner used the total of £420 for one 100ah for my camper. It's a lot less wiring with only one battery too!
Also these batteries are allowed by the manufacture for I think two in parallel but think 3 voids the warranty? Probably no real harm in connecting 3 together but it will shorten the life of the batteries as when lithium are put together in parallel uneven charge and discharge takes place with eddie current flowing between the packs. They can also sit there forever and a day trying to balance themselves out slowly bleeding away power and this can easily be avoided with just one 100ah. Cheers John
Spot on. The 50 and 100 amp hour batteries weren't available at the time.
For this van I might in hindsight go with just a single 50 as I'm nowhere near ever running the batteries down, but I guess that's the point. They just seem to work.
As a plus- even if left unused for several months they hold their power well, so I don't think that rebalancing issue is occuring - likely not an issue unless you have more than four in parallel..
@@stewreviews9345 Hi stew thanks for the reply 👍👍 Yea I actually watched your vid over again and tbf you do give a good account of yourself.
What happens in a parallel setup in say two 30ah batteries at a 60ah load is one will deliver say 25ah and the other will try and deliver 35ah. Even in matched batteries from the same suppliers this will happen and that's why some manufactures will not allow or limit the amount of lithium battery's in parallel banks.
Say for instance in your setup your dc dc charger can deliver 40ha of charge ( mine is only 20ah for a 200ah pack). The 40 ah charge rate seems well within the capacity of your over 3x 30ah pack as it would seem you have 90ah capacity. What happens when two of these packs become fully charged and are shut then down by the bms? You now have 40ah going to one battery. This over current may then shut down that battery. Charging may also resume between the packs when your parked up as the packs try and balance back out.
That was and extreme example but this going on between lithium batteries all the time due to slight differences in even identical batteries.
What is also more likely to happen in your setup (if you ever draw large amps) is when you try and draw 90ah from your bank of 3 paralleled batteries, A temporally dominant battery in the pack my try to deliver more amps the the other two and then be shut down by its bms. Your left with two batteries then trying to pump 90ah from 60ah and they will also shut down or be driven past there limits. Manufactures who allow parallel setups on there battery's often state the bank should only be used at the limits of one in its pack. When I used these 30 ah lithium's in my trolling motor I parallel two together and have one as a return to home battery. My motor can pull 40ah from the 60ah parallel set at the most but I try disconnect the battery pack before the bms will shut one pack down before the other. I also limit my amp draw to 30ah
In real world at small loads you wont even notice any of this as a problem but the detrimental effects add up over the years and your battery life will suffer. Big waffle on I know lol cheers John
@@paps69shed interesting stuff. In my build I ultimately decided to go 12v only. I had forgotten but I did get into this with an electrician and decided that as my load would be low 3 in parallel should be fine (compressor fridge, lights, phone charging etc). I have the victron 30amp DC:DC charger.
I've actually concluded that all told a Bluetti EB150 would have made more sense but I think at the time it cost more. Get one for around £800 now so the batteries, solar input, 1,000 watt inverter etc. Recently bought one to use around the house and to go into my next build and it is a pretty amazing device..
@@stewreviews9345 Love to see the review on that Bluetti EB150. Looks decent for the price and will save a lot of folk the hassle of installing a power setup in there van. They state 1500wh so if they take that as 12v its around a 120ah battery in there but they maybe calculating at 14v which would come out at about 100ah. With a built in 1000watt invertor and solar mppt its actually a very good buy as you say 👍👍
Yes your load will only be very low on those things.
In all honesty even if a bms did shut down one of your batteries (or even two) they would only tend to be shut down nearing charge completion (or depletion) and therefore the battery chemistry itself (not even the bms) would limit the current draw and probably would no longer suck to much juice.
Will look out for more of reviews 😁 take care
Cheers @@paps69shed I put together a quick unboxing video on my EB150 - I want to do a more detailed piece on it in use when I take it camping, but for now here's some thinking about the pros and cons of a single unit and some thought on the tricky question of cooking with one - ruclips.net/video/ikevkZkg-Dw/видео.html
No follow up video on the batteries?
Good spot. It's on my to do list. Planning a capacity test but haven't done it yet. I can confirm they're still functioning very well though.
I just got mine! Its only been 4 days, but I already love it :) I hoping to use 2-3 or these on a 12v dc buss I ran through my house to supply led lighting in every room on my 1st floor. The internal regulator should allow me to keep them anywhere on the buss(modular), assuming I limit current(I only need 1.2amps x12v for the 8 led lamps I am currently using to light up the ceilings in my house.)
Nice one Jason. It's amazing what you can do with 12v DC isn't it.
@@stewreviews9345 3000 cycles to 80%. 90% cycle depth. 10 year shelf life. Built in BMS. 1C! 150ah lifepo4 can charge @ 150ah! ....so yes, on your question :)
I picked up 4 (150ah) ecoworthy lifepo4s for my solar system. It keeps 2 refrigerators, all my lights, laptop, router cable modem running. After 4 months of daily use, no noticeable degradation. Daily cycle range 13.4 to 12.9 @ roughly 120wh avg load.
Oh dear , did you have your test meter on the wrong terminal there + _ ?
I think I showed a negative reading somewhere in the video didn't I?
Hi Stew, I have just bought a Eco Worthy 12v 100AH battery, when it arrived there was something rattling around inside the sealed battery. I contacted Eco worthy because I thought it must be a faulty battery and they responded by saying that is normal and I should just charge it up. I feel a bit apprehensive about using it as I feel it could be damaged inside. Did any of your batteries have a distinctive rattle inside them, ie if I tilt it left to right something shoots from one side to the other?
I'm no expert on these things but I certainly get that would be a concern.
No - I didn't notice any rattling or get a sense of anything loose. They do have battery management, including a temperature gauge, and I think that can move about, but I would want to ask for more detailed reassurance or a return to be honest...
@@stewreviews9345 Hi Stew, thanks for your response. I am trying to return the battery but they are being very evasive and just keep asking me to open up the battery see whats rattling around and fix it myself for a small discount, which I think is outrageous. I keep asking how to return it, but they won't tell me. I wish I had looked on trustpilot before I bought it, the reviews aren't good, so I,m not holding out much hope of getting a full refund.
Hi just wrote to eco worthy and they said not advisable to charge these batteries from van battery. But sounds like you are?
Hi there. So, first thing, I'm not an auto electrician - always worth listening to the manufacturer and or consulting a professional.
However, all that said, yes I am. I've got them set up in my camper with a "DC:DC" charger attached to the alternator. Been using for best part of a year with no issues so far.
I believe some people don't bother with the DC:DC, but from some information from Victron and elsewhere there is apparently risk of damaging the batteries and/or the alternator if you just hook them up directly (alternator can burn out or catch fire). Not sure if that is what Eco-Worthy meant perhaps?
@@stewreviews9345 thanks for info. Not sure what ecoworthy were saying was on chat and now gone but we're I think saying similar to you. When you say alternator do u mean you have small alternator. I have old vehical. Can I ask what DC to DC charger your using? Many thanks
@@leighflorence5134 yes of course. This is the one - I trust Victron, but they are pricey. batterygroup.co.uk/Accessories/Chargers/12511/Victron-Energy-Orion-Tr-Smart-12/12-30A-360W-Non-isolated-DC-DC-charger-ORI121236140?number=69387&gclid=CjwKCAiAvaGRBhBlEiwAiY-yMGRlZX3U5InSi8ric8EB2Hqmg9BQ9jA_-Oo4p_TQe0qksI3kOZyygRoCzhQQAvD_BwE
@@leighflorence5134 I'm not sure of the retailer - converter got it in for me.
@@stewreviews9345 Thanks for this. Do you mind if ask you something else. Are you able to tell me, have you got the victron set to charge at 10A? Ecoworthy told me 'charging current should not exceed 10A'? is this what they mean, you set this parameter on the victron itself via bluetooth.
did your batterys work ok
Yes - they're in my campervan now and working away.
I haven't yet been away in the van so haven had a good chance to test them yet, but they seem to be holding charge really well.
wher did you get yous from
Hi there - I bought mine directly from Eco Worthy - link in the description.
Quick delivery. One of the batteries charged to a lower voltage than the other three (0.2v). I have nonetheless put them in series and they're in use - no issues so far...
@@stewreviews9345 is that eco uk or canada
@@lpaterson6735 that was UK. Worth noting that generally the page rendered in us dollars - occasionally in GBP - not sure why. Ultimately they seem to charge an exact currency conversion that was the same as I got from xe.com.
If you get in touch with them about delivery and cost you should find them responsive I think and if you are looking for a larger battery and you are outside the UK you may also find they stock it - UK limited to the smaller capacity batteries.
@@stewreviews9345 did you pay any import tax to uk
@@lpaterson6735 no - they have stock in the UK so no import tax to pay.
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I bought mine directly from the EcoWorthy website, and you can get it from Amazon too - I think $156 is current price - seems pretty consistent however you buy. You can find links in my description above.
Piro regane boss