Budget 12V LiFePO4 Battery Showdown! Overpriced Garbage?!
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
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Vatrer: amzn.to/47cOvet
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0:00 Intro
0:53 Cracking Them Open!
2:30 Sokerdy
4:25 BunFloe
8:00 Vatrer
10:04 Lvgoo
11:52 Conclusion
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My Favorite Online Stores for DIY Solar Products:
Signature Solar
Offgrid One-Stop-Shop. Best Value 48V LiFePO4, Victron and Offgrid Specific Heat Pumps:
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Current Connected
SOK, Victron, Mr.Cool Heatpumps and High Quality Components. Fantastic customer support:
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Litime
My favorite 12V budget battery!:
www.litime.com/?ref=XBIA62RFc...
Epoch Batteries
My favorite high-quality 12V battery:
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Renogy
A classic 12V solar store that has been around for ages! DC to DC Chargers and more!
renogy.sjv.io/n1VjXx
Rich Solar
Renogy's biggest competitor! Similar products, but at a better price:
richsolar.com/?ref=h-cvbzfahsek
Battery Hookup
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If you want batteries that don't suck, check out my recommendations here! www.mobile-solarpower.com/lithium-batteries.html
Batteries in the video (affiliate links):
BougeRV: shareasale.com/u.cfm?d=856480&m=99165&u=760144&afftrack=
Sokerdy: sokerdy.myshopify.com/?ref=h-cvbzfahsek
Vatrer: amzn.to/47cOvet
Lvgoo: www.lvgoobattery.com/?ref=4jiejc6g
Bunfloe: amzn.to/49jGyWP
*Does off-grid solar confuse you?*
Check out my DIY friendly website for solar system packages and product recommendations, and so much more!
www.mobile-solarpower.com
*Join our DIY solar community*
#1 largest solar forum on the internet for beginners and professionals alike:
www.diysolarforum.com
*Check out my Book*
Best-selling and beginner-friendly guide to 12V off-grid solar!
amzn.to/2Aj4dX4
If DIY is not for you, but you love solar and need an offgrid system, check out Tesla Energy! They will price out a system and get your house offgrid: ts.la/william57509
*My DIY Solar Equipment Recommendations (Constantly updated! Check here first):*
12V/48V Lithium Solar Batteries: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solar-batteries.html
Complete Solar System Component Directory: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solarcomponents.html
Complete 48V System Blueprint: www.mobile-solarpower.com/48v-complete-system-blueprint.html
Plug-N-Play System Recommendations: www.mobile-solarpower.com/full-size-systems.html
Complete "Add to Cart" 48V System Kits: www.mobile-solarpower.com/complete-48v-solar-kits.html
DIY Friendly Air Conditioner/ Heat Pumps: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solar-friendly-air-conditioners.html
*My Favorite Online Stores for DIY Solar Products:*
*Signature Solar*
Offgrid One-Stop-Shop. Best Value 48V LiFePO4, Victron and Offgrid Specific Heat Pumps:
www.signaturesolar.com/?ref=h-cvbzfahsek
*Current Connected*
SOK, Victron, Mr.Cool Heatpumps and High Quality Components. Fantastic customer support:
currentconnected.com/?ref=wp
*Litime*
My favorite 12V budget battery!:
www.litime.com/?ref=XBIA62RFcalHns
*Epoch Batteries*
My favorite high-quality 12V battery:
www.epochbatteries.com/products/12v-460ah-lifepo4-battery-ip67-heated-bluetooth-victron-comms?rfsn=7352625.50494d
*Renogy*
A classic 12V solar store that has been around for ages! DC to DC Chargers and more!
renogy.sjv.io/n1VjXx
*Rich Solar*
Renogy's biggest competitor! Similar products, but at a better price:
richsolar.com/?ref=h-cvbzfahsek
*Battery Hookup*
Cheap cell deals
bit.ly/2mIxSqt
5% off code: diysolar
*Contact Information:*
I am NOT available for personal solar system consult! If you wish to contact me, this is my direct email: williamprowsediysolar@gmail.com
Join the forum at diysolarforum.com/ if you wish to hang out with myself and others and talk about solar
*FTC Disclosure Statement and Disclaimers:*
Every video includes some form of paid promotion or sponsorship. Some links on this youtube channel may be affiliate links. We may get paid if you buy something or take an action after clicking one of these. My videos are for educational purposes only. Information is subject to change/update at any time. Electricity is DANGEROUS and can kill. Be smart and use common sense :)
DIY Solar Power with Will Prowse is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program,
An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com
I got the SOK batteries ,4 of the 200s,expensive but you gave great review.
Thanks Will. I went to the Vatrer site to look at the 200 AH as well. They look good as long as the LOW TEMP shut down works. TAKE CARE..
Because existing circuits are make you hole house burns all hahahahah🤭🤭🤭😆😆😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂☢️☢️☢️
Hey Will, a thought here: I know affiliate links give you some cut, but if you say NOT buy those batteries, why put here? I'd recommend remove what you find unfit for use.
Just added time stamps to the video, sorry about that@@controlofsound
“Sometimes they look really cool on the outside and they’re awful on the inside.” Just like people
True, yet most people would choose cool on the outside..... rather on the inside
I find I get into trouble when it comes to the tear down on people though.
Something about taking power tools to people really upsets the judge and jury.
Who knew?
Zing!😅
Not an expert. I believe welds that are not visually appealing but heated to allow proper attachment are okay. May be indication to look at reviews that test performance. The build quality would impact maintenance free lifespan.
Thank you for checking these batteries & letting us know what is junk.
Will, after all these years of watching you grow into the best expert on lithium styled batteries and solar systems from small 12V systems to massive 48V ones, there is no other one who knows solar components and tests them to the depth that you do. I continue to watch your videos just to see the next exciting thing that you come up with. You have helped more people learn how to build a solar system than anyone else in this industry and what you do for the DIYer is has gone far beyond most people's gratitude, including mine.
Best comment ever.💪
couldn't agree more, I was (and still am) a total newbie in the world of lifepo4 batteries but I soon learned to trust Will as the only person who can make the concept so simple that even I could follow , he talks simple uses least amount of jorgens, he is the only source of knowledge for many newbies.
Great review. I love how you go full send on tearing these things apart 😂😂😂😂
Thank you so much for your kind words! I truly appreciate your support. As someone who values quality family time and outdoor adventures, I highly recommend checking out the Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series. With its massive capacity, powerful output, and super fast recharging, it's the perfect companion for camping trips and home backup power. Plus, its waterproof technology and comprehensive protections ensure durability and reliability. It's definitely a game-changer in the outdoor gear and home backup power market. Happy camping!
Thank you for your kind words! I appreciate your support and I'm glad that you find my videos helpful. Speaking of exciting things, have you checked out the Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series? It's a versatile powerhouse with a massive capacity, fast recharging, and comprehensive protections. It's perfect for outdoor enthusiasts like us who value quality family time. I highly recommend considering it for your outdoor gear and home backup power needs!
Will, your battery teardowns are invaluable in both steering us away from deficiently manufactured products, and in holding substandard manufacturers accountable to improve their manufacturing processes. You are providing information that is otherwise unobtainable to us consumers. You also educate us on the technical aspects of electrical systems. Thank you very much.
!!!THIS!!! ..... This is one of the MANY things I REALLY like about Mr. Prowse! .... If something SUCKS, he WILL call 'em out and let everyone know!..... If something is AWESOME, he WILL let everyone know also! .... I wanna be Will Prowse when I grow up!
Well, I finally went lithium. My LI TIME 100 amp came today. I thought this video was going to make me regret the purchase. Thankfully it didn't, but instead confirmed I made the correct decision thanks to you.
I didn't get one with low temp sensor. I just won't be using it in the cold. But I will probable buid an insulated box for it. Thanks Again Will.
Great Video… you had me cracking up…. “Ehhh… What is that?”😂😂. I agree with the teardowns. Some night see it as a waste, but as you clearly show you just can’t judge the battery by looks and capacity. Still the best solar channel on RUclips! Thank you for all you do!
Thanks Will for all the information over the years. I finally finished my 800 Watt NewPowa (on the shed out back) system in via 8 gauge wire to an EPEver 40 amp MPPT charge controller feeding two SOK 100 amp hour batteries to a Gowise 1500 watt inverter. The system has been powering my 10 foot chest freezer for weeks now. Oh, I bought your book and actually read it! Top shelf!
I LOVE that you rip these open. Just told the wife that if I were to buy some new lithium batteries, from an unknown company, if you don't cover it and don't rate it well, I absolutely would NOT buy it.
Yes! Back to basics! The battery manufacturers probably think they can put out sub standard units again because Prowse doesn't seem to be ripping them apart anymore! Knowing what to avoid till the end of time! 😂
I take your advice on solar for years,always make it easy to understand and your comparisons/reviews are great.
Thank you so much,Will. I was just looking into purchasing the two worst ones you just tore down, now I know better and I really appreciate it!
Thank you for your work and help. Most people are so sick of cheap crap thats overpriced.
It was fun to watch how much you enjoyed watching taking the batteries apart.
Been waiting for a updated showdown, thanks for doing this yet again!
copper plated steel wire / copper plated aluminum wire
I'm sure you're finding units with undersized conductors, but have you given thought to checking the quality of the wire itself. I recently found that some of my test leads were made of steel plated copper this inexpensive battery system could lead to devastating failures.
Yes I always check for that
thanks for doing all those tear downs, very nice to see
I love your honesty and your reviews on all pieces of equipment that come through your hands. I hope that the companies appreciate your reviews.
I'm sure the bad ones don't 😂
Thanks for going back to the 12v affordable review. I appreciate it.
Excellent -- I love your teardown videos. Suggestion: From the two good ones in this round-up, get the 200 and/or 300ah versions and see if they have the same quality.
Your videos are BEST of it's kind on youtube!
...purchased 12 Vatrer, was relieved after your breakdown.
We've come a long way from the 18650 rigs.
"This says dedicated and professional, sure pal" got me. 🤣
I been waiting for budget battery review on this channel a long time..... can't thank you enough for this video
Thanks for posting this video.hello from Scotland
Absolutely love these turn down videos I am so glad you do them to help inform the public.
Love what you do man, keep up the good work!
I helped a fiend put in solar and lithium battery with Renogy inverter and MPPT in his Class C motorhome. So far, so good. He got the Vartrer 460 amp hour 12 volt battery. It had a metal case, external on/off push button, lifting handles, and looked excellent from the outside. Screws held the metal case together. For $1400 it better be good!
Good Job ... Thanks for your investigative research. None of us could do that teardown
thank you for protecting us. we regular-joe consumers would have no idea about this stuff and i think those guys know it and try to take advantage. you perform an incredible service. thanks and keep up the good work.
Great teardown video. It's a good refresher for "No Safety, Know Pain. Know Safety, No Pain” and definitely wouldn't hurt to see these more often.
Glad to see you back in my algorithim.!!! loving my skoolie solar setup that i tackled with your advice.
I remember cringing the whole time you took the cutter and went to town on that first BattleBorn battery years ago now. Little did we know then how helpful that would eventually be, especially as all these cheapies flood the market. 👍
Can you please teardown some of the new "mini" batteries?
Thanks Will, As always your expertise and straight up testing are the go to in Solar for the average guy.
Thanks Will. You really have helped so many including myself. You are a legend.
fantastic info, love your vids and very impressed by your knowledge / commitment!
Valuable information
Thank you
I have the self heating version of that Vatrer and it was the cheapest self heating battery I could find. Seems pretty good so far. Being able to connect to the BMS with the JBD app is great. I actually replaced the 12v battery in my 2006 Mercury Mariner Hybrid with the 50ah Vatrer low temp cutoff battery and when it got down to 10F last week it did just fine. I have a 100W solar panel on the roof to keep it topped up because it is a backup vehicle.
>> I have a 100W solar panel on the roof to keep it topped up because it is a backup vehicle.
Hahahahaha I was laughing for most of that video, Thank you I needed that. Lol 😂😂😂
Assembled by twelve year olds. 😅
I recently bought and (unfortunately) repaired a 12v 100Ah LiFePO4 battery which arrived with low voltage, which I eventually tore down to find the bus bar between cells 1 and 2 had come unattached during shipping.
Amusingly said battery had threads in the battery terminals and holes in said bus bar to actually bolt the bus bars in but were welded on instead... Really like this video showing some of the gotcha's of these batteries, I think the thing that irritated me about the whole situation was the seller in question said my charger was at fault 😬
That's not big globs of solder on those batteries, that's what my welds look like. Nothing wrong with them 😅
Somting wong with those batteries. Keep up the great work. Love your channel.
We had extremal fun time!
Great job Will , thank you !
Your enthusiasm for batteries is fantastic 😂✌️
Thanks for doing the test of some of these 100 amp batteries there's a still probably a large group of us that aren't using server rack batteries
I needed a battery for my Suburban camper, and recently bought an SOK 12V/100aH battery with the Bluetooth option. It cost me a little extra, but it looks like I made a good choice based on what I'm seeing in your battery tear-down videos.
It would be nice to have a chart of who builds for whom in the market. Although I am sure it shifts around based on marketshare and pricepoint for some of these factories.
now THIS is a breakdown! great video!
Most of the cost building it was paying for the solder.
This video was fun hahaha. No Vatrers though, too many problems/QC Issues and their staff not knowing how their own product works. And OMFG that solder on the Bunfloe wtf never seen anything like it. Regarding the Sokerty, it's not even clear to me what they're selling. What is a "LifePo4" battery? Never heard of it. Seriously, if you're going to sell it, type it correctly. Lastly, I've had trouble testing temp sensors with ice. I always end up getting it around 0-2C and it's difficult to pull off those last few degrees (at least for me) and is why I always use the computer duster. That, and some end up being set for -5C.
Anyway, sorry for a long response but this one was too funny! I've turned away so many just because I'm tired of looking at the 12V 100Ah's - maybe that was a mistake, missing out on entertainment LOL.
😂😂😂
They are such a chore but so worth it sometimes haha
I am very wary of the budget stuff, I wait and learn from experts like you about reliable brands. So far I bought two Redodo minis to start off with more than just the power stations. As a senior with some back problems, I was enticed by the more manageable weight plus the good reviews for Redodo, Power Queen and LiTime.
Sadly expensive one sometimes is bad too
Thanks, WIll! We ended up buying the 200Ah Powerurus you have listed on your website. It's been great. Went with that instead of these ultra cheap ones, because the BMS has bluetooth, so we can see what's going on inside the battery. It's served us very well so far, thanks!
I recently just switched all of our UPS batteries in our power UPS' to Vatrer batteries in the 12v 7ah batteries. They have been top notch. No issues. I'm also going to be using them in our kids Razor Electric Dune Buggy as well instead of the lead acids. Great video.
Thanks Will, great as ever.
Thanks Will ! TAKE CARE..
Thank you these videos help so much
Awesomesauce teardown Will!!
Non-battery related question, do you like using the Milwaukee Oscillating Cordless tool? I have M18 batteries, but that one is only offered in the M12. Just curious, since you have A LOT of runtime with it.
Thank you for all the work you put in to reveal the hazards companies and there products that shouldn’t me on the market the true danger of these batteries catching fire
I use Power queen 👸 batteries I have been using it now for over two years and some months, still maintaining the same capacity that was rated for
I just bought one also we need a power queen tear down please! 😊
@@BODETHEKILLER that’s nice. You will never regret buying Power queen batteries , lot of teardown on RUclips
I appreciate these videos the most
Amazon is carrying lots of weird battery names. Some of them are very cheap. I see one the other day for $197.12 V lithium ion curious if you’ve ever torn any of the Amazon stuff down
Thanks Will, you saved people money!😊
Love the video, quick question
What lithium Lifepo4 would you recommend for car audio on a 5k system. ?
Thanks will would love to see a follow up on the weize 12v battery the price has dropped alot recently and I wonder if the quality is the same or worse
Always great videos and very informative!
Any chance I could get some them battery parts??? ;)
I wish your recommended batteries were available in Australia. It's a dice roll for good value LiFeP04 batteries over here.
the new version Kings Batteries are pretty good. i've seen a few of em torn apart and they look like something that Will would approve of. I've got the 300ah Kings lithium and it's been working great for the year I've had it. the smaller 120ah and 200ah Kings now use prismatic cells where before they used pouch cells and were to be avoided. the 300ah uses cylindrical cells
Thanks Will
Thank you for doing this! Great information!
Thank you for showing which battery not to buy. I currently use 3x 100ah 12v lifepo4 from kepworth. Opend one up, and there are pouchcells inside. Can you do a review on these?
Thanks for all that you do for us DIY'ers. I only have room on my roof for a solar panel that is spit cell @ 315 volts. I have a 40 A controller and an outdated, but functional 2000W ProSine inverter/charger. 3 very heavy AGM, 115ah batteries in good condition. I would like to change to lithium. What amp hour and brand would you suggest ? I plan on going off grid quite a bit this winter.
Wow - Great video. Out of curiosity, what do you do with all these batteries you tear apart?
That is the good part of you. You open and show us insaid even Inverters I seen you do same for acknowledge that good
You ARE the Man!!!
I really wanted another 400-600 amps for my boat and was looking at all of these batteries. I ran across some used Valence U27-12XP batteries with tested 120 amp capacity looking like new for just over $300 including shipping. I bought 6 of them without a thought. They all came within a week and looked brand new. Now I have 13 of them for the boat. With this many, I don't worry about starting big diesel engines with the. Even with 6, I had no problems starting the engines. The Bms in that battery is 150 amp continuous and 300 amp for 30 seconds. No problems any more and my search is now over
Could we get a power queen tear down please?
You are a beast. I bet these manufacturers fear you reviewing their products. You help keep them honest. If they want more business they'll need to improve to pass your tests! I absolutely LOVE your channel, you are teaching me a lot. I just received my EcoFlow Delta Pro batteries with the 240V hub, but I'm thinking of returning them and building my own system based on your reviews. That EG4 6000XP looks fantastic. Will, I'm happy for how your life has turned. You worked hard and are blessed. FYI, my brother lived in Henderson, NV. I've been there, nice place. It does get a bit warm though!!
Thanks Will. You are my goto authority. Good video!
Those solder globs!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT!!! SO BAD!
Finally, i have seen a few of these several times lately. I was iffy of these!!
Great video! Thanks for disassembly and deeper review, not just "it works"! 👍😇 This video, probably, cost lots of money..
Safety first.. Some of them I, definitely, don't wanna in my house.. 😂
Awesome video, thank you!!
Hey Will, love your videos. What would you recommend in the 36v flavor ? 75-100ah. My application is a marine trolling motor peak 50a. Average draw in use is 10-20a. So it needs to be tough.
Love your videos, I started watching them a few weeks ago on a journey to understand energy storage for my RV and propulsion for my little boat I am building. I have noticed that the brands seem to change so fast that review videos can't keep up, I hope you will keep tearing these things apart! Would you consider reviewing a cheap (sub $100) Lifepo4 charger for those of us who do not yet have solar? Either way I am subscribed and plan to convert my RV to lithium and solar as soon as possible.
I am glad I saw your video first. I almost ended up buying a battery that I did not know much about ... looks can be deceiving , but name brands with wierd name takes the cake.. thanks for your input on batteries that are out there
Thanks for doing this and I don’t know if they came from Amazon or not. If so it shows that with many products there is no QC and it’s usually you get what you pay for. It is really disappointing that there is a lot of low quality items online and the consumer is left to basically guess so thanks again for giving the lowdown on these batteries
These bad batteries can give LiFePo bad name.
Great video mate 👍
How often do you find that the components are changed? We bought a Weize based on your finding last spring...
This might be my favorite video yet. No. Wait. It is. What were they thinking?
Thanks Will, you`re doing great testing all this junk. Keep it up
Interesting video. You can get conductive adhesive/threadlockers for up to 200kv so it would be worth checking if that was the case. Probably not but maybe
Brother, these are such fun and excellent reviews!
I'm looking to upgrade my RV 105Ah battery with a 200+... do you believe the Li Time 230Ah on your website would be up to the road rigor of an RV battery? 😎
Cheers,
Eric
Well done great content . Your a crazy man ! I love it!
Personally my top and most trusted source for all things solar!!! Thanks Will, keep up the great work you do here!
Thanks Will.
Thanks will this has been a very informative video thank you for sharing this six stars
Will, please test the 100ah mini batteries