What are the Origins of the Balkan Ethnicities?
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- The Balkans!!!
A land of mystery, misery and mastery of maintaining murky memberships...
But how did this wonderful peninsula of chaos develop? And how did all of the people of this peninsula arrive here?
Despite the Balkan's long history, the people of this part of Europe all have a unique part to play in it, as we chart out the mysteries of the Balkans!
Part 0: Introduction (00:00)
Part 1: The Balkans in the Classical Era (01:16)
Part 2: The Balkans in the Dark Ages (04:40)
Part 3: The Rise of the Turks (10:06)
Part 4: The 20th Century: What could go wrong? (12:47)
Part 5: Wrap Ups (16:39)
Like usual here's the music used in order of usage:
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• To Margoudi - Greek Song
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• The Adventures of Mark...
• Roman Slayer - Epic Sl...
• Slavic Battle Music
• Időnek Ideje -The Time...
• Toquz Oyuz - Epic Turk...
• Ottoman Empire (1299-1...
• Melodie găgăuză / Gaga...
• Russian Empire (1912) ...
• Oj Alija, aljo (Hey, A...
• Makedonski Tigri (Mace...
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• Asa I Viata Omului (Pi...
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@@thatstorm_spectreI wonder where you are from 🤔
@@angelocoli8972 I'm from Transylvania in Romania =)
@@thatstorm_spectre now tell me did Romania steal Transylvania from Hungary?
@@angelocoli8972 hahaha, I'll make a video on it at some point ;)
Very well done. Great effort, enjoyfull and interestibg in a communicative way ! Keep on publishing STORM and team !
Amazing video, can't wait until you expand outside the balkans, like western romania (spain)
We'll be back soon ;)
Give or take 1 Video. I have 2 ideas, one includes Spain, Italy and Rome, the other the East slavs, so I'll throw a dart and we'll see ;)
@@thatstorm_spectre Macedonians are not Bulgarians,we don't consider ourselves Bulgarians. We speak Macedonian,not Bulgarian,they are 2 different languages,they are not the same language. We have nothing to do with Moldova and Romania,Belarus and Russia,Montenegro and Serbia. We have our own nation,with our own culture,language and history,so please educate yourself. And please stop being racist towards us.
@@kostadinpanov4596Your language is almost the same as Bulgarian,literally the same with a Serbian influence
And your history is copy pasted Bulgarian and Greek history,since you "think" that your history extends to the ancient times
Be thankful to Tito for allowing you to call yourselves "Macedonians" today,otherwise you'd be a proud Bulgarian right now
"Stop being racist towards us" Lol,do you also believe you are oppressed?
😂
@@kostadinpanov4596 You can't deny the fact that you speak a language close to Bulgarian and a little to Serbian, two Slavic languages that have nothing in common with ancient Macedonian. I don't know what kind of racism you see.
You have changed so much, i remember watching you play games and streaming years ago, time has definitely flown by. Keep up the work 👍
Holy Cow! How long has it been amigo? I just got an urge to play fortnite again! If you still play, we should hop on sometime this weekend
I think the Justinian Plague also played a very major role in the Slavicization of the Balkans.
The Justinian Plague had spread like wildfire throughout the Balkans, wiping out a great many native Balkan peoples.
Then the Slavs arrived, finding that they actually outnumbered the afflicted native Balkan peoples by quite a lot, thus facilitating the Slavicization process since the Slavs had preponderance.
It makes sense that even *Greeks* (who were the furthest from the Slavs) today still have a significant Slavic admixture.
The Oghuzs didn't come from Mongolia. At since 7th A.D. The Oghuz Yabgu State had been established in the east of the Caspian Sea. The Oghuzs created a new ethnogenesis consisting of a mixture of 24 tribes from Western and Eastern Turks, and then they created the Seljuks and the Ottomans
Even if others stole their name, the Onoguri were also proto-Bulgarians.
Ooo look at Mrs smartass over here
haklısınız ama oğuzların da hazarın doğusuna o gölgeden geldiklerini hesaba katarsak yine günümüz moğolistanından geldi denebilir bence
@@CocoSon-zj5oj proto-bulgarians probably turkic too they did believe tengrism they had turkic name and tradition
As a Balkan man I loved your video! You earned a sub!
Amazing video!
8:58 it was greek Byzantines from Thessaloniki that created the Cyrillic alphabet to help the slavs have a writing system of their own language
Nooo! Do tell more?
They created the Glagolic Alphabet. The Cyrillic is made in Preslav by Bulgarian students of Cyril's and Methodius after their death
@@mustafapetrovoglu1673 Глагољица! Па дааа….Ха!
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Excellent video! This is one of the best and most concise videos of the entire Balkans and its history that I have seen! You also are very reminiscent of Living Ironically in Europe, minus overdoing memes, which is great! You nicely balance humour and information.
This is one of the best summaries that I have seen, so I feel very bad correcting it, but the Balkans are a tricky topic, even for Balkaners (I remember reading somewhere you are Romanian) so don't worry, if I were to be nit-picky, here's some corrections:
• There is really no agreement on whether Dacians are Thracians, they are just grouped together as "Daco-Thracians", along with the Getae.
• The Daco-Thracians, Illyrians, Getae, etc are part of a general people group known as the "Paleo-Balkanic Peoples". As you said, they'd generally (with exceptions, such as the ancestors of the Albanians) be assimilated by later people groups.
• Illyrian origin of Albanians is not certainty. It's very likely, but it's not a fully agreed upon fact, and still argued upon in academia. The Albanian origin is somewhat of a mystery, however the general consensus is that they originated as Paleo-Balkanic peoples, which you described fairly well. The Illyrians were also Paleo-Balkanic peoples, along with the Thracians and Dacians, so if you had stated that the peoples that weren't assimilated were "Paleo-Balkanic", you would be correct and not have to fall into controversy by saying "Illyrian", which are also Paleo-Balkanic.
• Although the Bulgars did play a major role in Bulgaria's history, the origins of Bulgarians are Slavs. Specifically the Seven Slavic Tribes, with which Asparuh negotiated, leading to the foundation of Bulgaria.
• The Bulgarians weren't forced into Orthodoxy. When Knyaz Boris begun his reign, it was met with years of loss of wars, disorganisation, famine, as well as division between the peoples (Bulgars and Slavs), which heavily crumbled the country. He saw Christianity as an opportunity for organisation and reunion, which had been spreading in the country already, and had been leading to prosperous periods in other nations. Although accepting Christianity specifically from Byzantium instead of HRE or Rome was mainly political, and a demand from Byzantium, which I assume is what you meant by "forced", Rome and Byzantium were in a conflict with one another, which Boris managed to use to get the best outcome for Bulgaria, so "forced" is far too negative and incorrect of a term. Boris' reign and Christianity would lead to the commission of Cyrillic, as well as Golden Age in Bulgaria.
• I wish you had spoken about Vlach (Romanian) history amongst the Slavs (and Bulgars). A part of Balkan history I wish was more spoken about is that the Vlachs and Slavs lived peacefully. Romania as a state is fairly modern (if you consider Renaissance era modern), but the people are ancient. They simply were happy to live peacefully amongst the Slavs.
• I wish you spoke more about Medieval Bosnia but I understand why you didn't, so it's okay.
• Something that would have been important to add is that Bosnia was always in a tuggle of war. Often between Byzantium and Hungary or by Croatia and Serbia. Because of this conflict, Bosnia founded its nation quite late (late Medieval), and couldn't manage to cannonise its church in neither the Byzantine nor Latin realms. Because of this, they converted easily when the Ottomans came. Also, the Bosnians were right at the frontier of the Ottoman Empire. This meant that Bosnians were very important for the Ottomans, so they took great care of Bosnia. Because of this, Bosnia flourished under Ottoman rule, and many great influences of the Ottoman Empire remain only in Bosnia to this day. I feel like this should have an honourable mention.
• Road to WW1. The First World War begun in the Balkans. This wasn't random. WW1 didn't begin when Gavrilo Princip shot the Archduke. That sparked the war, but the war was caused by building of tensions for decades making WW1 inevitable at that point. I wish you explored this period of history more, but it's okay.
• Minor pronunciation errors. I presume you've live in an anglophone country because you speak the language natively without accent. However, English is a messed up language, and a few words which by pronouncing correctly in their native language, you have mispronounced in English, because English is a prick of a language. "North Macedonia" is pronounced "Masedonia" in English because of course English will do that. Also "a" in English is sometimes pronounced as Romanian "ei" because English is a prick, eg: English pronunciation of "Bessarabia" would be spelled "Besăreibia" in Romanian.
Besides those, your video is very good and I applaud your effort!
Balkans for ever! Na zdrawe/Živeli/Noroc/Yiamas! 🍻🍻
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Yeah this guy is really good, one of the best ive seen on RUclips
this is really good how do u not have 1k subscribers
Hmm great video
Some mistakes
8:49 - The Byzantines did not force the Bulgarians to convert to Orthodoxy, rather they did so after St Knyaz Boris I accepted it in 864 AD. Orthodoxy wasn’t really forced anywhere in the Balkans.
We Pushed them to join under the Patriarch of Constantinople. St Knyaz Boris I wanted to join with Rome. We were one church at the time, but still.
@@00fgytduydrtu St Knyaz Boris I didn't convert because he was pressured to. He was very firm about the Orthodox belief and the instigation of it in Bulgaria. He even blinded his own son after he attempted to convert the country back to paganism.
Super!
nice content Stephan, greetings from Turkiye 😇
Awesome video, the avatar is a bit edgy, but i like your style♥️
good video
Damn way too underated and also accurate! Great video from bulgaria 🇧🇬!
In what way is it accurate? 😂 Thracians are not our ancestors but the Bulgars are?
@@milaenlommer9732Yea that's on me, I didn't know Bulgarians considered the Thracians to also be a part of their ancestry. I just thought Thracia greatly influenced Bulgaria so that's what I wrote at 6:24.
Although I stand by my decision with the Bulgars and Bulgaria
Türk gırtlak müziği koyduğundan dolayı I will kiss you on the cheeks! Nice video my friend! 😂❤
Finally someone spends time to speak accurately about the history of the Balkans.(Also:Are there still people who don't know Macedonian Empire was Greek?)
Another Top 1000 subscriber here.
I thought this video would be full of misinformation, but I was wrong. On the contrary, it is an almost complete and objective video.
As all Balkan people, we must protect our culture. This is a wealth. Greetings from Turkey🇹🇷
I am honored my Turkish friend! I hope to make more content about our little chaotic part of Europe!
İyi dileklerimle!
@@thatstorm_spectre though "bulgar" is turkic tribe, you can search it, thats why gagauz calling themselves that way. More like bulgarians are stole that name
Very interesting
We Bulgarians are not Turk, I know that's what is told in the other Balkan countries but it's not true
It's not that you are turks but that you used to be Turkic
You are not turk , you are turkic
Or used to be
@@comingafteryou5352 and I tried to explain that no, we never been, there are no evidence of that we ever to be Turk, Byzantium didn't describe us like that
@@haksrax39 Turkic ok, still no, we haven't been
I THOUGHT I WILL HATE THIS VIDEO BUT I LOVED IT!
Dope video from an Albanian brother, I just liked and subscribed! You should do more videos on the Balkans if im honest, this video got alot of popularity
If Macedonians are just Serbianised Bulgarian then that would make them their own ethnic group.
No doubt these former Bulgarians have now formed a new ethnic group after their particular historic journey - albeit a precarious one. They would be served best by accepting the reality of how their group was formed and by dropping some of their more ridiculous claims.
I macedoni del nord non c'entrano nulla con il vero popolo macedone
Awesome video, I really like the fact that you remind me of Living Ironically in Europe! I just wanted to tell you that the language group isn't called Illyric, but Albanoid, because of the Illyrian tribe Albanoi that lived in what today is Albania.
Its still correct because Albanoi tribe was illyrian too
@@mediterranean78904 But Illyrians spoke more than just one language, so saying that Albanian language belongs to the Albanoid lanugage group is more geographically, historically and linguistically correct.
@@markozhivkovich albanoid from albanoi tribe that is a south illyrian tribe.
@@mediterranean78904 Yes, which is why it is more geographically accurate to say that Albanian belongs to the Albanoid lanugage group. In Illyria, people spoke different languages that weren't in the same language family, which is another reason why it is more accurate to say that Albanian belongs to the Albanoid lanugage group.
@@markozhivkovich However, it is not known whether the Albanians are only the descendants of the Albanoi tribe or whether at a certain point in history all the tribes of Illyrian lineage were called Albanoi by the ancients, like the Greeks who took their name from a small Hellenic tribe
thanks for explaining this trainwreck of a region
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Correction: 60% of Albanian loanwords are of Latin origin, not the language itself
I've heard that 60% of all Albanian words are of Latin origin. Although of course I could be wrong, but to my understanding it used to be classified as Latin because of this until more research was done and they determined the underlying linguistic structure was wholly unique and the language was reclassified.
You deserve more views and subs.
I officially joined the Under 1000 subs club.
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Wow this video was really good!
(Bir sürü içerik üreticisinden daha derin bir video yapmışsın good job!)
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This video is really good! Hope you make more like it,
Will definitely sub.
This video was amazing ❤❤ Keep up the good work 🙏🙏🙏
Bosnia is Croatian land because bosniaks never existed until 1992 they were always called croatians and all ruling families of bosnia were croats. Kotromanić,Šubić,Boričevič...
Bosnians converted to Islam more easily than other Slavs because their Bosnian Church was considered heretical by both Orthodox and Catholics.
What a load of crap. Croatia had a kingdom for less than 100 years. Meanwhile serbia had not only a long standing kingdom but also an empire. Did Serbs not exist in Bosnia? Why do Croats have serb last names? Bosnia is more serb than jt was ever Croat
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What are those Serbian surnames, if Serbia only shared surnames in 1853?.....google Srpko Lestaric
I can see the comment section from 500 billion miles away
It's been pretty civil so far. But give it time 😉
Yeah
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you make such good content!
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Balkans , the place with the best history in the worlds
Taking a class right now in my final year (BA in History) and the one thing I would say is that the Ottomans were happy to have many people stay orthodox Christian’s. Putting janissaries aside, orthodox Christian’s could be taxed more, and Ottoman rule was only really super influential in the small urban centers. This is why, while 80% of say the land we would call Serbia (today) was Orthodox Christian, almost every urban center was 70%+ Muslim (albeit, these “urban centers” were essentially big towns)
Also, the idea of a nation state and the prominence of ethnicity was really a creation of late 19th and 20th century events. There’s this great source I read that talks about these “Macedonian” men who, regarding fighting the Turks, didn’t care if they were labeled as Bulgarian, Serb, or Greek. They went with Bulgarian because it benefitted them the most at the time. There’s a lot of fluidity prior to the formation of nation states when it came to perceived ethnicity, which is so fascinating.
Bosnians didnt come in to existance with Islam. Moreover your assesment that Bosnia simply is a fractured part of serbia is wrong as it was consistantly closer to the hungarian and croatian sphere of influence than the serbian one having its own political development with a culture seperate from its neighbours. Namely the main evidence for this is its authentic bosnian church which was neither catholic nor orthodox, a seperate script and a unique culture combining slavic, pannonian and romance cultural influences.
He's wrong on a lot of things, like saying Albanians have anything to do with Illyrians, but saying that Bosnians as a national identity comes into existence with Islam is correct. The thing is, Bosnia did exist as a country and had a different religious life than it's neighbours, yet if you look at oldest and medieval Bosnian documents, the people of Bosnia are called Serbs and Herzegs(real Croatians) officially. I understand that it's not something people in Bosnia like to hear today because they based their modern identity on Islam yet that's just history. Bosnia as a country existed. Bosnians as a nationality, not until recently
@@belivuk2526 nationality wasn't a thing back then modern concept of nationality was created in XIX century
@@belivuk2526 Albanians have everything to do with illyrians even the name have Real meaning and its in use every day at least katolik Albanians…
@@belivuk2526 but serbs think they Are from carpat and Are all muslims hahah dont even now shit about Arbanasi in Croatia Arvaniti in Greece Arbareshe in south itali they Are all albanians katolik and ortodox. but stupit serbs think they build all the monesterys and fight the war of Kosovo alone while claiming albanian history and Heroes as they own
@@pranvera5394 Illyrian is just a Romanised name for what Greeks called Thracian. The people Greeks called Thracians had names for themselves, among them, Thracian tribe of Triballi called themselves Serbs. This is also backed by some non Greek historians of antiquity. Later on in the middle ages, Latinised Catholic spehere such as HRO, later Germany and AH refer to Serbia as Illyricum and Serbian empire as Magnum Illyricum. They also refer to several other groups of Slavs such as Bosnian and Montenegrin as Illyrian as well. It's referenced all through history by historians from Europe and Turkic historians. That's just more proof that it's simply a Latin name for Slavs, at least the south ones that Romans knew of. Even the supposed "Ilyrian writings" I have seen floating around used as proof by Alabanians are actually Slavic Glagolitic, a predecessor of Old Church Slavonic. Truly, it is labeled as Illyrian writting in the western books, but remember, westerners applied that name to Slavs, starting with Rome so it makes sense why they've labeled Slavic writing as Illyrian.
The whole thing about Albanians having anything to do with Illyrians was started during 80s in an attempt to build some sort of national identity and pride when attempts started at crafting the fake history of ancient Albanians. The only Albanians with deep roots in the Balkans are Arbanas which held several villages in what's nowadays central Albania when they were 1st even mentioned.
There's a possibility that Arbanas are linked to Troyans, looking at the meaning of the word, the haplotype, taking into consideration how different they look and talk. But Troyans came to Balkans later than Thracians, in fact, were allowed to settle there by their Thracian allies after Troy fell to Hellenic tribes. The only link that Albanians have to Illyrians aka. Thracian aka. Slavs is through mixing with us, but that was, again, mostly the case with original Arbanas, not the later settled Turkic and Arab people who came as mercenaries and who's ancestors now call themselves Albanians
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As a Balkan, I approve this video
this guy's fire, i just discovered you P.s im greek
Could you put up your sources idk anything about this so i havenothing to base it off other than your vids
Sources? pfff What would be the point? In a vid about the Balkans it would only embolden people to start a war. Trust me while the video is succinct, it is mostly true.
I recommend watching Schwerpunkt to learn more. It's certainly not for the faint of heart but his videos are super scholarly and in depth 😁
What was Gura conspiring with Plato? Were they trying to convince the world that Atlantis was lost so they could be left alone? Jokes on Gura then, we got french fries, they got boring healthy food.
Also, a moment of silence for Macedonia getting the short end of the stick so many times.
He's probably teaching Gura the method to a cheeky chum
Buraz šta da ti kažem, pod hitno da kreneš sa svojim obrazovanjem a da počneš od toga da pročitaš Seobe, Miloša Crnjanskog.
Excellent video, although i don't think the Gagauz are old Bulgar remnants. They speak an Oghuz dialect(like Turks, Turkmens and Azerbaijanis). Pechenegs were also Oghuz aswell but it is recorded that most of them migrated to Hungary and assimilated there when Cumans took their lands.
Budget LIIE...
I like this
GREAT VID MATE, NO BIAS STRAIGHT FACTS
Romanians are the most native balkaners! Native scitzophrenic balkaner blood!!!!
My Russian friend just took a DNA test. As soon as he gets the results back I'll make a video about it. I also maybe wanna show off my results ;)
@@thatstorm_spectre why do you lie about origin of Albanians? They have least of European DNA and their language is mostly similar to one in caucasia
What makes you think not Albanians? Albanians and Romanians have words in common.
@@pavlekovacevic1676Why do you have to spread Serbian propaganda?
@@snoopyportfolio2072 yes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian%E2%80%93Eastern_Romance_linguistic_parallels
thats interesting
You're wrong, the Gagauz were from modern day North-East Bulgaria, and are likely a mixture of Cumans, Pechenegs and probably the Uzes, which were colonized in Bessarabia in the mid 19th century by the Russians after annexing Bessarabia, and after starting the Russification process of the region, because in 1812 the entire region from Hotin to the Black Sea had a percentage of 90-95% Romanians/Moldovans living there, while at the beginning of the 20th century the autochtonous element decreased to 60% after the influx of Ukrainians, Russians, Bulgarians, Gagauzes, Germans, Poles and Ashkenazi Jews.
0:03 i found my class in highschool
all south slavs are one ethnicity, we have the same culture and language... for the most part.
Not really
All except Bulgarians, Bulgarians are originally Turkic. Others differ with culture due to religion
no they're not
@@belivuk2526 only bulgarians ruling dynasty was turkic, population was always slavic.
This can be for the Serbs-Croats-Montenegrins-Bosniaks as "one ethnicity/same culture/language". Macedonians, Bulgarians & especially Slovenes are different.
A new video!!!(🇭🇺or as a true hungarian would say fúj román).but i really looked for a balkan history video and you have the perfect personality for this in my opinion.
Amazing work man,though one thing I feel I should add is the fact that the Bessarabian bulgarians only came there in the late 14th-early 15th century in order to escape the Ottoman conquest so they can't really support your theory about the gagauz(and also there was a separate population within Bulgaria proper that identified as old bulgarians up until the end of the 19th century)
Yea the Bulgarians and Gagauz went to Bessarabia much later, although I didn't know that old Bulgars continued existing up to the 19th century. Honestly the old Bulgars are fascinating and I hope to talk about them more at some point in the future 😁
What about Persian avar was it or smth about the 13 lost tribes which Bulgaria has very similar words to
If you look at the 3 largest haplogroups per country, you can get an order by genetic similarity - which coincides with historical/political maps and unions throughout centuries. The crazy part is that some of these borders exist still to this day (in a way) - which just shows how deep the divisions in the Balkans are!
*Formerly part of Austria-Hungary/Members of EU today*
- Hungarians:
R1a: 26%
I2a: 20%
R1b: 19%
- Slovenes:
R1a: 35%
I2a: 20%
R1b: 16%
- Croats:
I2a: 38%
R1a: 25%
R1b: 10%
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*Formerly occupied by the Ottoman Empire for centuries/are not members of EU*
- Bosnians:
I2a: 45%
E3b: 15%
R1a: 15%
- Serbs:
I2a: 28%
E3b: 20%
R1a: 15%
- Macedonians:
I2a: 20%
E3b: 20%
J2: 16%
(A lot of R1a too: 13%)
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*Formerly occupied by the Ottoman Empire for centuries/Members of EU today*
- Bulgarians:
I2a: 22%
E3b: 20%
R1a: 18%
- Romanians:
I2a: 20%
R1a: 20%
E3b: 19%
(A lot J2 too: 16%)
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*Formerly the heart of the Ottoman Empire + occupied:*
- Turkey (*is not EU member*):
J2: 30%
E3b: 24%
R1b: 16%
- Greeks (*EU member*):
E3b: 25%
J2: 20%
R1b: 15%
- Albanians (*is not EU member*):
E3b: 35%
J2: 25%
R1b: 18%
Honestly genetics in the Balkans and Europe are a super fascinating subject! The only thing I wonder about in these listings is the Hungarian one, as from what I've seen Hungarians typically have much less I2a, and are typically mostly R1a, R1b and E3b
@@thatstorm_spectre The data I posted averages out 20 different studies. In some of these studies the results are a bit different. Specifically for Hungarians, I have seen numbers where I2a is as low as 16% and R1b is sometimes higher than that. So, you could be right if you looked at just 1 specific study. But there is no doubt I2a is still very large in Hungarian population, and this isn't strange at all if you look at Hungarian history and Ottoman invasions which pushed a lot of South Slavs (who have the largest percentages of I2a) northwards.
Also, Hungary was in a political union with some of these countries for numerous centuries and their influence can even be seen in some very common Hungarian surnames today - such as Horváth (which is most likely a variation on the word Hrvat/Croat).
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Ρε τα Βαλκάνια είναι τόσο τρέλα ως Έλληνας νομίζω πως δεν θα με καταλάβει κανείς
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Used it as a bookmark
Epic Farya Faraji music.
It's the best on RUclips 😁
Great video,but i have to point out that slovenes migrated to the balkans before croats meaning it would be impossible for the croats to mix with the poles
Thank you!
As for the Slovenians, I guess it depends on what you mean by Slovenian, because the Croats came in the 600s and mixed with some of the Western Slavs, that probably came from Moravia. So if you consider Slovenes the result of a mixture between Western and South Slavic people (which was what I worked with) then they were established as an ethnic group following this event. But if you consider the Slovenes to just be west slavs that were heavily influenced by the south slavs then the Slovenes were already there and just influenced by the Croats. Also I just used Poland as a stand in for "Western Slavs" but Czechia or a Moravia ball would have been more accurate. 😁
i am bulgarian and i never known for the chuvash language
THE BALKANS!
Living Ironically in Europe moment
You are so underrated! I wish I could do more than just like share and subscribe. As a Hungarian I also really appreciate the music choice.
Damn the first ballkan video explaining the ballkans without propaganda. I am impressed
It's a good video but there's some corrections:
1)Dacians are not the ancestors of nowday romanians. THAT's just romanian propaganda.
2)Originally Huns and Magyars are brother-nations. Ménrót was Hunor's and Magor's ancestor. Hunor later founded the Hun Empire. Magors tribe later went back to the Carpaths from Magna Hungaria or Etelköz. They were the Magyars. And in the Hun Empire there were a lot of Magyars. So the "Honfoglalás" as called in Hungarian were the second conquest of the carpathians.
The Gagauz ethnonym suggests Cox/Kavkaz/Kayig/Kevi/Kubiar a.k.a. Khakkas/Kyrgyz descent. The Kevi were a core tribe of the European Huns and later the Kubiar a core tribe of the Bulgars. Kiev is named after them but the different tribes likely spoke different languages so the Chuwash=Choban=Suwar=Sabir (possibly from Xiao Yuezhi OR Xianbei) spoke Oghuric while many Euro Huns like the Kevi spoke Oghuzic as they seemingly had mixed with or were part of the Dingling tribes which were the majority of the right wing of the Xiongnu and later the Xianbei and Rouran empires. The European Huns (21 tribes ="21 guns") became part of the 40 Tiele (descended from Dingling) in the 500's I think although what if anything the dominant Avars had to do with that process is unclear to me.
Bc the Balkans feel like the Middle East of Europe
Nice video man, loving the quality of the content overall and your channel is looking up Imo. Although I do have some critiques as a Bulgarian on some facts. Like the Bulgars being our main ancestor isn't really accurate considering as you said, we only kept their name. There's also the thing you said about the Thracians disappearing which isn't really true, it is moreso that their language died out but their culture and overall genetic makeup did remain, and ik genetics don't decide really everything but considering how many traditions of the Thracians also remain with the Bulgarians, I'd say the Bulgarians became the descendants of the Thracians in a way. Bulgarians themselves are far from descending from 1 people's however, as they have 3 main ancestors such as the Thracians, Slavs and Bulgars with Bulgars making up the least in a way. Also on the map of the makeup of the Balkans before the Turks, I'd say you kinda overplayed how many Vlachs are in Bulgaria by then as by the 1300's there really weren't that many, and you downplayed how many Bulgarians were in Macedonia as the Macedonians are most likely an identity descending from the Bulgarian one as many Macedonians, the majority really in the past such as revolutionaries, writers and whatnot from Macedonia identified as Bulgarian and numerous ethnic censuses and surveys conducted by foreign powers showing it as such. (Although I can't blame you for not tackling the mess that is the Macedonian question, but just saying.) Also it is unfair to say we claim Macedonians as Bulgarians today, we recognize their existence but we also say they descend from us which I'd argue is true but I'm open to discussions on it if anyone has something against that. Overall though, those are my critiques as a Bulgarian, nothing major really as I understand that you're Romanian and don't know as much on the Bulgarian side so I kinda just decided to add this I suppose.
Thanks for the knowledge! I really should've made it more evident in the video, but yea I definitely believe that the Thracians melded into the Bulgarian people and didn't just dissappear. It's part of the reason that Bulgarian is also a part of the Balkan sprachtbund. I meant to say that Thracians as a unique group, that speaks Thracian and calls themselves Thracians died out, although I do hear that in Greece and Bulgaria you guys still call certain groups Thracians, so I might've been oversimplifying. As for the North Macedonian question, I sorta made some jokes at their expense, because sometimes their founding myth is a bit silly. To me it looks like the N. Macedonians are descended from the same group as Bulgarians, because one of the other Bulgar tribes settled the area that is today N. Macedonia, fulfilling all 3 required groups. But that's just my take lol.
Also yea in hindsight there are too many Romanians in the north of Bulgaria this late into the timeline, that's my mistake ❤
But actually I'm really interested. I want to make a video discussing how people groups change over time and when one culture can claim lineage from another. For example Romanians, we claim descendancy from the Romans and Dacians and I understand you Bulgarians claim lineage from the Bulgars, Slavs and Thracians. These are all understandable, but for example it's sorta silly for the North Macedonians to say their lineage is from the Empire of Alexander. So for the video, I was wondering.
Why do you feel attached to these groups as your ancestors?
@@thatstorm_spectre Nice to know that man, overall this is all in good faith. As for the certain groups being called Thracians? You probably mean the regional identities of the people's. It'll be similar to how Wallachian Romanians and Moldavian Romanians exist. So too do Moesian Bulgarians and Thracian Bulgarians exist. As for Kuber's Bulgars? They didn't contribute to much except make Bulgaria wanna annex the area. What really made the Macedonian Slavs choose to become Bulgarian Slavs was Knyaz Boris I and his conversion and later the adoption of the Cyrillic and Old Churc Slavonic (Old Bulgarian) which unified the numerous different mostly unrelated Slavic tribes of the First Bulgarian Empire into 1 Bulgarian identity, if it wasn't for that frankly today the Slavs on Bulgarian territory would either not exist or be twice as divided.
@@thatstorm_spectre I myself feel attached to Thracians and Slavs the most while seeing the Bulgars as a more distant ancestor that ended up unifying the three into one and from whom we get our name from. Although I should clarify I am far from the only opinion and many vary from seeing the Bulgars as Iranian rather than Turkic and as our true ancestors, to seeing us as having nothing to do with Thracians, to even not seeing us as Slavs, many people have their own takes and that should be respected even if I disagree with them tbf. Overall, I recommend you do your own research and come to your own conclusion if you'd want, as I am but one inherently bias ''source'' out of thousands.
I'd like to add that the whole Slav Macedonian having linkages to Acient Macedonians was actually a Greek strategy that backfired. In an attempt to convert the local slavic people into Greeks, in the same way that many Albanians were converted around the Greek revolution. Whilst it is possible that there is some remaining Acient Macedonian traces in the whole Geographical region of Macedonia, it is likely spread amongst all the different people that live there, that is anyone who lives in Geographical Macedonia who has been there since pre Ottoman times. More likely though, there isn't any left due to Roman relocation strategies and Goth raids.
As for Bulgarian, the local population was very fluid and picked whatever kingdom suited them. Regionally Macedonian, but sometimes Greek, sometimes Serb, and most of the time Bulgarian which makes sense given the Bulgarian empire did liberate the local slavs twice.
Awesome video though. Well done!
I have a feeling that this guy lives ironically in Europe.
C (first settlers?) , E (Egyptians, Berberics) , F, G (Caucasians) haplos were chamitic, I (nordic and Balkanics) J (Anatolians) were semitic, N (Finno) , R (Gauls, Slavs, Balts, Iranians) were Japhetic.
Proud to be Albanian 🇦🇱🇽🇰🦅👐🏼❤️🌟 Illyrian blood
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And when the modern nations began to be created, such a crucifixion and blurring of history began that now, with the exception of the Turks, everyone else in the Balkans is learning nonsense. Including that Albanians are Illyrians. Including that the Romanians are Romanized Dacians, assimilated by the Bulgarians, but freed themselves. Including that the Bulgarians have something in common with the ancient Turkic population of Asia :) Including that the Slavs have one origin, and they have completely different DNA. In fact, you could have saved this episode. Unless of course the goal is to collect over 100,000 mutually exclusive comments. The history of the Balkans is usually written by some of their "benevolent imperial neighbours".
Many inaccuracies
Feel free to tell me what I got wrong I'm only human so I probably missed a lot 😁
just to clear up the smoke, serbia was mostly orthodox because Stefan Nemanja converted from Catholicism into Orthodoxy
Do you have a discord server?
Afraid not, I might make one at some point but not yet. Can't risk bringing the Balkaners together
I am albanian ( I am typing this from my home in albania not germany) and when i sae you said 60% latin I thought bullshit, then I went oh you right
60% is exaggerated, but the Latina stump cannot be neglected
If that was true then it would be placed under latin branch but it's not because it's lies. The latins took from Albanians which came first from Pelasgians.
dude this is so awesome and everything but what if we just made it all one country?? there's too many countries in this world anyways let's just make it all into one country cuz what could go wrong? (also u said origins but explained its entire history lmao)
out of curiosity, do you have a discord server?
I'm afraid not. I might make one at some point but for now I can't risk bringing the Balkans together
Anime dude, Bosnia was first mentioned in the 1st AD as the Bossania/Boseni, and the Bosnian kingdom was not Serb because of what I just said, the Bosniaks identity predates the second Slav migration into Balkans.
Ngl I think "Anime Dude" is my favorite nickname I've received on here 😁
And yes, I misspoke in the video, I'm honestly not sure what I was trying to say, because even pre Islam the Bosnians had their own church so very obviously were seperate from the Serbs.
This was an oops, and I hope to correct it with a Bosnian video at some point. Maybe a part 2 because the N. Macedonians aren't happy either lol
@@thatstorm_spectre it's all good Anime dude 😎
Many Bulgarians must watch this video me Bulgarian Turk ❤❤❤❤❤
I need to know from people from ex yugoslavian countries, do you wish that yugoslavia comes back? ( doesent have to be socialist)
yes i wish!
I have talk with many person that are originated from ex yougoslavian countries, and they are proud to have independance, but they say that destroying the federation was a bad moove and they regred that. Today they are more people after seeing the ecomic and social stagnation of their country 30 year after their independance begin to be more nostalgic of the yougslavian regime.
Great video and all, but I am here for the comments. 😅 I expect an invasion of .... not really going to say which nations, but I am sure you can guess.
I am going to let this sit for a few days, while getting popcorn ready, and then come back to watch it again and read the Balkan wars on steroids. 😂😂😂
That serbian song at the start 💀
gagaus are,from bulgarian federation of Old Bulgaria probably,лангуадге ис нот цритериа,you are right,as many other tribes,so bulgarians,are mix of all horse tribes between Black and Caspian seas,hunnic,gothic,scytho-sarmatians and,from Balkans,slavs and thracians,under Dulo clan,enemy of Ashina,and hungarians are probably onoguri,another bulgar tribe.In bulgarian name is Ungaria,not Hungary,Bulgaria and Ungaria.And Bulgaria give all,alfabet,clergy,literacy,old church slavonic is just old bulgarian,to slavic peoples.She is for slavic peoples,as romans for latin speackers .You can check if not believe me hihihi Healt and happynes for all :)
3:39 Unbiased History of Rome Mentioned!!!!
We await for the return of our lord Dovahatty o7
Cine spune ca avem in Balcani cea mai mare diversitate etnica din lume?
*Este imposibil sa fi existat locuri nepopulate.* Insa lipsa informatiilor despre acele locuri exista in anumite periode de timp!
Epirus and corfu in northwest Greece and south Albania was and is ethnically Greek from ancient time (kingdom of Epirus)
Epirus was an ethnically mixed region for example the city of Byllis which was an intermix close cultural contact btw Greeks and Illyrians or Pyrrhus which was raised by the wife of Illyrian King Glaukias of the Taulanti. I can tell you more examples if you want
Epirotes were considered barbarians by ancient greeks. They werent and most certainly arent greek.
And Epirus was and is also ethnically Albanian. ❤️🔥🇦🇱❤️🔥
Albanian principalities existed in Epirus in late medieval age, later forming çams and Souliotes that stayed in those areas on Greece.
Albanians even reached western Greece and created Albanian principalities there to. One Example is: (Despotate of Arta)
That happened because large population of southern tosk-Albanians migrated to Greece under late medieval times.
They even reached southern Greece that included Peloponnese and Attica and formed later to Arvanites.
Majority of arvanites are assimilated to Greek culture and self-identify is Greek because of a process of assimilation that happened after Greek independence. Over time they lost there Albanian culture, identity and language and became Greeks.
Why did it happen? Because of manny reasons. Majority of Arvanites in Greece after Greek independence were orthodox. It was easier to assimilate Albanian orthodox then Albanian Muslims. Manny Albanian Muslims in Greece were send to turkey during population exchange. It was because Greece wanted to be a orthodox Christian state and a Greek state. That’s why they traded with turkey to give Muslims Albanians and Greeks to be offered orthodox Greek Anatolian people to help them but also create there Greek Orthodox state and not be so mixed.
Arvanites were orthodox but not Greek. They had the first part but not second as Greece wished. So over time they became Greek to, for example being part of Greek Orthodox community and pray in Greek , not speak Albanian on political and work term. Change name to more orthodox Greek names if they didn’t already have it, not provide official Albanian school to the newer generation and arvanites did probably mix with other Greeks after Greek independence to over time get assimilated. Those examples impacted arvanites culture over time. And with time passing they didn’t see themselves as Albanian anymore.
Something Italy did that was good was to provide Albanian school the the Arberesh, people with Albanian origin that fled to Italy during late medieval age from ottoman rule. Majority of them identify as Albanian because they were not assimilated by Italians like arvanites were by Greece. Don’t know why but it’s what it is.
Italy didn’t really assimilate the Arberesh.
Majority can speak the tosk-Albanian Arberesh dialect language. It is still a dying language dialect because of newer generation and people moving to cities, but not as fast dying as the tosk-Albanian Arvanitika language dialect. Majority doesn’t speak arvanitika anymore, only a minority and it’s mostly elders.
What do I mean by all of this? Don’t really know why a mentioned all of these stuff but even if Epirus was and is ethnically Greek sense ancient times to today. Epirus was also and still is ethnically ALBANIAN sense at least medieval ages to today. But not as much Albanians in Epirus as before.
That’s because of the çam genocide that happened in Çameria, it’s a regions in mostly Greece Epirus area. It was inhabited by Albanians sense at least medieval ages. Later forming the çam Albanians. Çams we’re a majority in Çameria region up to the event under and after world war 2 time period. Majority were Muslims but manny were also orthodox. When Greece got control over Çameria, problems started to happen. Long story short it ended that majority of çams we’re forced to flee to Albania, displaced, killed and assimilated. After that event Çameria became majority Greek. There are still çam Albanians that lives there but in small numbers now.
It was a Çham Genocide.
Hope you understood everything and if I am wrong correct me. But I know that what a said is mostly right because I only talk about stuff I know and have information about. But it can be some small mistakes, but otherwise I am pretty confident of what I said.
Thanks if you lasted this long, lol😂. But thanks seriously❤
Bye🎉
@@emanuelskelaj9843 Thanks for the answer.But chams killed 300 greeks in the side of italians, despotate of arta was greek,ancient hellenic culture is all over epirus even medieval despotate that covered all of albania, albanians also killed greeks in epirus and the whole sason island .The albanians arrived during ottoman conquest.Albanian language was created based on ancient illyrian around 1800 and i am sure most of "albanians" today are turks.
@@johnsreptifilmsstudios çams killed Greeks, that’s true. But they did it because of when Greece got control over Epirus and the çams were discriminated by them and had it bad. Italians also colonized Albania at the time so Albanians we’re also under attack against Italians. But çams thought they could get help by them to get there land back but we know what happened after that.
Despotate of Arta was an Albanian principality actually. It was also vassal of other empire and also independent sometimes. Under that kingdom manny Albanians lived there and it was controlled by Albanian noble family.
Greeks also killed Albanians don’t forget about that especially the çham genocide.
It’s true that majority of Albanians converted to Islam by ottomans. That was mainly because of getting higher status and wealth. And also paying lower taxes. Even if majority converted and are still today majority Albanian Muslims, manny catholic and orthodox Albanians still survived and exist to this day.
Albanians have nothing to do with Turks, only thing they have in common is religion and part of Ottoman Empire.
It’s also true that manny Albanians came to Greece under ottoman control to but Albanians migration to Greece happened also before ottoman era.
Albanian migration to Greece happened around late 1200 AD to 1300-1600 AD. They had Albanian principalities there at some point under that historical period.
Albanian language was not based on Illyrians 1800s.
Albanians are a Paleo Balkan people native to the Balkans. It’s proven that Albanians are Paleo Balkan. We can see that on the language, Albanian symbols and most importantly by DNA.
Albanian origin is more complicated but of all ancient Paleo Balkan people, majority of historians, scholars and researchers agree on and think that Albanians most likely are descendants of ancient Illyrians. Unfortunately there are lack of Illyrian inscription that has survived but, We found inscription of messapian writing that is in Italy Apulia. Messapian were also Paleo Balkan people believed to be descendants of Illyrians settlers that came from Balkans to Italy around 1100-900 BC. Messapians may most likely have Illyrian origin.
They found writing of the messapians that has similarities with Proto-Albanian language. They have similar and also same words that makes us think Albanians and messapians are sister people descendants of same parent Illyrians. The messapi got extinct before 100 BC by Romans and got assimilated and mixed with them.
The proto-Albanian language is believed to be descendants of a southern surviving mountain Illyrian language that lived or were pushed to the mountains by Roman’s under Roman rule. They are believed to have survived romanization and slavicization of the Balkans. After fall of western Roman Empire and slavic people migration to Balkans, surviving Illyrians were pushed down south by slavic people and formed the proto-Albanian language.
The Proto-Albanian language is believed to have originated and formed in Kosovo and spread after fall of western Rome back into Albania and some other regions were Illyrian lived before Roman’s came.
It means that Albanians are descendants of southern Illyrian mountain tribe or tribes that became proto-Albanian.
Because of romanization, the Albanian language has manny Latin loanwords from the ancient Romans that came to Balkans. Even if Albanian language is it’s own branch an the Indo European family tree it still has a lot of Latin vocabulary and words from Roman time. And Albanian language do also have some Ancient Greek and Byzantine loanwords not so manny but it exist in the Albanian language, off course not nearly as much like Latin loanwords from ancient Romans.
And manny think that proto-Albanians may be descendants of an Illyrian people closely related to messapians by language.
Some researchers and historians think Albanians may be of Thracian or Dacian origin. That’s because of Albanians having high Dacian-Thracian DNA. Some think that Albanians are illyro-Thracian people. Because Thracian and Illyrians were in a contact zone in Kosovo that can be another reason. The dardanians had Thracian influence.
But the information I can find, majority agree on Illyrian origin.
Means Albanians are an ancient people.
Even if greek and Albanian are two separate branches of indo European.
The Albanian and Greek language are the only two languages in the Balkans that are of Paleo Balkan origin that still exist to this day. The rest of the Balkan languages are of Slavic and Latin branches.
Where the Albanians came from has always been a mystery to me.
Exactly where they are today. Descendants of the illyrians
Albanians are mix of Greeks,Serbs and Turks they are not illyrians they are not even white
@@John_Marstonm 😂😂😂 ok gypsy got it. Explain our language then as a first question
@@John_Marstonmthe first Europeans werent white so are they Turkish? no lol, go back to school kid and study
@@John_Marstonm what is bro saying our languages doesnt even sound the same
Genetics do disagree. We cannot just assume a nations origin simply based on langauge family as there were assimilations. For example south slavs and romanians are more repated to each other than south slavs are to actual slavs or romanians to actual romans in italy.
Many of the slavs are descendants of pre slavic peoples. You mention the bulgarians as both slavs and descendants of turkic bulgars because of name. Yet don’t mention their thracian ancestry as well.
Albanians are mostly descendants of illyrians but not fully and most of that is the southers illyrians whereas the northern ones are in fact the ancestors of slavs there.
Also Im sure many modern turks are not just greeks and slavs and celts who adopted turkic culture but also old anatolians like hittites and probably more related to armenians and kurds than they would like to admit.
Hungarians are not just uralics and nomad people they have very Central European looks and probably part slavic. Their dna suggests so too.
The North Macedonians thing is a topic for another day. Lets just say their DNA is more similar to greeks than to russians ukrianians or poles.
Most of the North illyrians relocated to different areas. Roughly more than 60% of south Slavic genetics are well Slavic related the Serbs only could be of paleo balkan DNA is if they mixed with the proto Albanians