I thought this video would be full of misinformation, but I was wrong. On the contrary, it is an almost complete and objective video. As all Balkan people, we must protect our culture. This is a wealth. Greetings from Turkey🇹🇷
@@thatstorm_spectre though "bulgar" is turkic tribe, you can search it, thats why gagauz calling themselves that way. More like bulgarians are stole that name
I think the Justinian Plague also played a very major role in the Slavicization of the Balkans. The Justinian Plague had spread like wildfire throughout the Balkans, wiping out a great many native Balkan peoples. Then the Slavs arrived, finding that they actually outnumbered the afflicted native Balkan peoples by quite a lot, thus facilitating the Slavicization process since the Slavs had preponderance. It makes sense that even *Greeks* (who were the furthest from the Slavs) today still have a significant Slavic admixture.
Actually they were not more numerous than the locals but the locals were shepherds living on the mountains, the new slavic population were practicing agriculture so they use to live in the lower areas and they were easier to be controlled by the Bulgarians leadership which was much more probably, as the Kazars, a jewish population knowing to control the others, trading goods and paying warriors to fight for them. Th mix of the Jewish with the different Turkish population was as we can see today in Ukraine where the rich Ukrainian jews left but the poor local Ukrainian as the former Polish, Romanians and Russian are fighting for the Americans who are paying with the Russians who are fighting for the Russians jews oligarchs.
The Oghuzs didn't come from Mongolia. At since 7th A.D. The Oghuz Yabgu State had been established in the east of the Caspian Sea. The Oghuzs created a new ethnogenesis consisting of a mixture of 24 tribes from Western and Eastern Turks, and then they created the Seljuks and the Ottomans
We'll be back soon ;) Give or take 1 Video. I have 2 ideas, one includes Spain, Italy and Rome, the other the East slavs, so I'll throw a dart and we'll see ;)
@@thatstorm_spectre Macedonians are not Bulgarians,we don't consider ourselves Bulgarians. We speak Macedonian,not Bulgarian,they are 2 different languages,they are not the same language. We have nothing to do with Moldova and Romania,Belarus and Russia,Montenegro and Serbia. We have our own nation,with our own culture,language and history,so please educate yourself. And please stop being racist towards us.
@@kostadinpanov4596Your language is almost the same as Bulgarian,literally the same with a Serbian influence And your history is copy pasted Bulgarian and Greek history,since you "think" that your history extends to the ancient times Be thankful to Tito for allowing you to call yourselves "Macedonians" today,otherwise you'd be a proud Bulgarian right now "Stop being racist towards us" Lol,do you also believe you are oppressed?
@@kostadinpanov4596 You can't deny the fact that you speak a language close to Bulgarian and a little to Serbian, two Slavic languages that have nothing in common with ancient Macedonian. I don't know what kind of racism you see.
Hi from Gagauz Yeri, Komrat🐺👋🏻 World historiography forgets that the Oghuz were divided into two, giving preference to the Seljuk Turks, believing that they are the only successors of the Oghuz. Some became Seljuk Turks who went south, converted to Islam and became the ancestors of modern Turks, Azerbaijanis and Turkmens. The other part moved to Eastern Europe, chasing the Pechenegs and defeating the Khazar khaganate along with the Rus through the northern Black Sea region. In Eastern Slavic sources they are known as torki or guz. We, the Gagauzes, are their descendants, and according to popular opinion, "Gagauz" means "gök-oguz", which means heavenly(in sense sky) Gagauz and apparently means the preservation of faith in Tengri. Subsequently, the Oghuz moved to the Dobrudja region and Gagauzes there adopted Christianity and formed as a separate ethnic group. We were the overwhelming population of the Dobrudja despotate, which was ruled by turkic rulers and which appeared after the collapse of the Second Bulgarian Kingdom. I read that each of the principalities claimed to be the real successor of the Second Bulgarian Kingdom, and therefore it seems to me that the Gagauzes could call themselves "haşlı..." and "eski bulgar". Nevertheless, the Gagauzes called themselves Bulgarians, and the Bulgarians were called "tukan". In Budjak, in Bessarabia, in the Russian Empire, we finally achieved national identity and switched to the ethnonym "Gagauz", which also provoked the Gagauz people who remained in the regions of Dobrudja, as well as Eastern Macedonia and Thrace (in Greece and Turkey, whose traditions are slightly different from the rest of the Gagauzes). Thus, the Gagauzes are the Balkan Turkic people, descendants of the Oghuzes, who retained faith in Tengri and later converted to Christianity (which later caused them to suffer in the Ottoman Empire along with other Christian peoples), who formed as a separate nation in the Balkans.
@@comingafteryou5352 and I tried to explain that no, we never been, there are no evidence of that we ever to be Turk, Byzantium didn't describe us like that
Dope video from an Albanian brother, I just liked and subscribed! You should do more videos on the Balkans if im honest, this video got alot of popularity
Awesome video, I really like the fact that you remind me of Living Ironically in Europe! I just wanted to tell you that the language group isn't called Illyric, but Albanoid, because of the Illyrian tribe Albanoi that lived in what today is Albania.
@@mediterranean78904 But Illyrians spoke more than just one language, so saying that Albanian language belongs to the Albanoid lanugage group is more geographically, historically and linguistically correct.
@@mediterranean78904 Yes, which is why it is more geographically accurate to say that Albanian belongs to the Albanoid lanugage group. In Illyria, people spoke different languages that weren't in the same language family, which is another reason why it is more accurate to say that Albanian belongs to the Albanoid lanugage group.
@@markozhivkovich However, it is not known whether the Albanians are only the descendants of the Albanoi tribe or whether at a certain point in history all the tribes of Illyrian lineage were called Albanoi by the ancients, like the Greeks who took their name from a small Hellenic tribe
@@milaenlommer9732Yea that's on me, I didn't know Bulgarians considered the Thracians to also be a part of their ancestry. I just thought Thracia greatly influenced Bulgaria so that's what I wrote at 6:24. Although I stand by my decision with the Bulgars and Bulgaria
I've heard that 60% of all Albanian words are of Latin origin. Although of course I could be wrong, but to my understanding it used to be classified as Latin because of this until more research was done and they determined the underlying linguistic structure was wholly unique and the language was reclassified.
yeah, there is a reason why you must be one of us to talk about history, coz this was sooo oversimplified version that you must confuse more people then you educated
I mean, I'm from Romania so I'd say I'm pretty versed in the history of the Balkans. Of course this video was intentionally simple to get an overview of the origins of the people groups of the Balkans but if there's something you wish I would've talked more about let me know and maybe I'll make a video on it!
Excellent video! This is one of the best and most concise videos of the entire Balkans and its history that I have seen! You also are very reminiscent of Living Ironically in Europe, minus overdoing memes, which is great! You nicely balance humour and information. This is one of the best summaries that I have seen, so I feel very bad correcting it, but the Balkans are a tricky topic, even for Balkaners (I remember reading somewhere you are Romanian) so don't worry, if I were to be nit-picky, here's some corrections: • There is really no agreement on whether Dacians are Thracians, they are just grouped together as "Daco-Thracians", along with the Getae. • The Daco-Thracians, Illyrians, Getae, etc are part of a general people group known as the "Paleo-Balkanic Peoples". As you said, they'd generally (with exceptions, such as the ancestors of the Albanians) be assimilated by later people groups. • Illyrian origin of Albanians is not certainty. It's very likely, but it's not a fully agreed upon fact, and still argued upon in academia. The Albanian origin is somewhat of a mystery, however the general consensus is that they originated as Paleo-Balkanic peoples, which you described fairly well. The Illyrians were also Paleo-Balkanic peoples, along with the Thracians and Dacians, so if you had stated that the peoples that weren't assimilated were "Paleo-Balkanic", you would be correct and not have to fall into controversy by saying "Illyrian", which are also Paleo-Balkanic. • Although the Bulgars did play a major role in Bulgaria's history, the origins of Bulgarians are Slavs. Specifically the Seven Slavic Tribes, with which Asparuh negotiated, leading to the foundation of Bulgaria. • The Bulgarians weren't forced into Orthodoxy. When Knyaz Boris begun his reign, it was met with years of loss of wars, disorganisation, famine, as well as division between the peoples (Bulgars and Slavs), which heavily crumbled the country. He saw Christianity as an opportunity for organisation and reunion, which had been spreading in the country already, and had been leading to prosperous periods in other nations. Although accepting Christianity specifically from Byzantium instead of HRE or Rome was mainly political, and a demand from Byzantium, which I assume is what you meant by "forced", Rome and Byzantium were in a conflict with one another, which Boris managed to use to get the best outcome for Bulgaria, so "forced" is far too negative and incorrect of a term. Boris' reign and Christianity would lead to the commission of Cyrillic, as well as Golden Age in Bulgaria. • I wish you had spoken about Vlach (Romanian) history amongst the Slavs (and Bulgars). A part of Balkan history I wish was more spoken about is that the Vlachs and Slavs lived peacefully. Romania as a state is fairly modern (if you consider Renaissance era modern), but the people are ancient. They simply were happy to live peacefully amongst the Slavs. • I wish you spoke more about Medieval Bosnia but I understand why you didn't, so it's okay. • Something that would have been important to add is that Bosnia was always in a tuggle of war. Often between Byzantium and Hungary or by Croatia and Serbia. Because of this conflict, Bosnia founded its nation quite late (late Medieval), and couldn't manage to cannonise its church in neither the Byzantine nor Latin realms. Because of this, they converted easily when the Ottomans came. Also, the Bosnians were right at the frontier of the Ottoman Empire. This meant that Bosnians were very important for the Ottomans, so they took great care of Bosnia. Because of this, Bosnia flourished under Ottoman rule, and many great influences of the Ottoman Empire remain only in Bosnia to this day. I feel like this should have an honourable mention. • Road to WW1. The First World War begun in the Balkans. This wasn't random. WW1 didn't begin when Gavrilo Princip shot the Archduke. That sparked the war, but the war was caused by building of tensions for decades making WW1 inevitable at that point. I wish you explored this period of history more, but it's okay. Besides those, your video is very good and I applaud your effort! Balkans for ever! Na zdrawe/Živeli/Noroc/Yiamas! 🍻🍻 🇭🇷🇧🇬🇷🇸🇲🇪🇬🇷🇷🇴🇦🇱🇸🇮🇧🇦🇲🇰 (🇽🇰)(🇲🇩🇨🇾)(🇭🇺🇹🇷)
Taking a class right now in my final year (BA in History) and the one thing I would say is that the Ottomans were happy to have many people stay orthodox Christian’s. Putting janissaries aside, orthodox Christian’s could be taxed more, and Ottoman rule was only really super influential in the small urban centers. This is why, while 80% of say the land we would call Serbia (today) was Orthodox Christian, almost every urban center was 70%+ Muslim (albeit, these “urban centers” were essentially big towns) Also, the idea of a nation state and the prominence of ethnicity was really a creation of late 19th and 20th century events. There’s this great source I read that talks about these “Macedonian” men who, regarding fighting the Turks, didn’t care if they were labeled as Bulgarian, Serb, or Greek. They went with Bulgarian because it benefitted them the most at the time. There’s a lot of fluidity prior to the formation of nation states when it came to perceived ethnicity, which is so fascinating.
Some mistakes 8:49 - The Byzantines did not force the Bulgarians to convert to Orthodoxy, rather they did so after St Knyaz Boris I accepted it in 864 AD. Orthodoxy wasn’t really forced anywhere in the Balkans.
@@00fgytduydrtu St Knyaz Boris I didn't convert because he was pressured to. He was very firm about the Orthodox belief and the instigation of it in Bulgaria. He even blinded his own son after he attempted to convert the country back to paganism.
You're wrong, the Gagauz were from modern day North-East Bulgaria, and are likely a mixture of Cumans, Pechenegs and probably the Uzes, which were colonized in Bessarabia in the mid 19th century by the Russians after annexing Bessarabia, and after starting the Russification process of the region, because in 1812 the entire region from Hotin to the Black Sea had a percentage of 90-95% Romanians/Moldovans living there, while at the beginning of the 20th century the autochtonous element decreased to 60% after the influx of Ukrainians, Russians, Bulgarians, Gagauzes, Germans, Poles and Ashkenazi Jews.
If that was true then it would be placed under latin branch but it's not because it's lies. The latins took from Albanians which came first from Pelasgians.
Epirus was an ethnically mixed region for example the city of Byllis which was an intermix close cultural contact btw Greeks and Illyrians or Pyrrhus which was raised by the wife of Illyrian King Glaukias of the Taulanti. I can tell you more examples if you want
And Epirus was and is also ethnically Albanian. ❤️🔥🇦🇱❤️🔥 Albanian principalities existed in Epirus in late medieval age, later forming çams and Souliotes that stayed in those areas on Greece. Albanians even reached western Greece and created Albanian principalities there to. One Example is: (Despotate of Arta) That happened because large population of southern tosk-Albanians migrated to Greece under late medieval times. They even reached southern Greece that included Peloponnese and Attica and formed later to Arvanites. Majority of arvanites are assimilated to Greek culture and self-identify is Greek because of a process of assimilation that happened after Greek independence. Over time they lost there Albanian culture, identity and language and became Greeks. Why did it happen? Because of manny reasons. Majority of Arvanites in Greece after Greek independence were orthodox. It was easier to assimilate Albanian orthodox then Albanian Muslims. Manny Albanian Muslims in Greece were send to turkey during population exchange. It was because Greece wanted to be a orthodox Christian state and a Greek state. That’s why they traded with turkey to give Muslims Albanians and Greeks to be offered orthodox Greek Anatolian people to help them but also create there Greek Orthodox state and not be so mixed. Arvanites were orthodox but not Greek. They had the first part but not second as Greece wished. So over time they became Greek to, for example being part of Greek Orthodox community and pray in Greek , not speak Albanian on political and work term. Change name to more orthodox Greek names if they didn’t already have it, not provide official Albanian school to the newer generation and arvanites did probably mix with other Greeks after Greek independence to over time get assimilated. Those examples impacted arvanites culture over time. And with time passing they didn’t see themselves as Albanian anymore. Something Italy did that was good was to provide Albanian school the the Arberesh, people with Albanian origin that fled to Italy during late medieval age from ottoman rule. Majority of them identify as Albanian because they were not assimilated by Italians like arvanites were by Greece. Don’t know why but it’s what it is. Italy didn’t really assimilate the Arberesh. Majority can speak the tosk-Albanian Arberesh dialect language. It is still a dying language dialect because of newer generation and people moving to cities, but not as fast dying as the tosk-Albanian Arvanitika language dialect. Majority doesn’t speak arvanitika anymore, only a minority and it’s mostly elders. What do I mean by all of this? Don’t really know why a mentioned all of these stuff but even if Epirus was and is ethnically Greek sense ancient times to today. Epirus was also and still is ethnically ALBANIAN sense at least medieval ages to today. But not as much Albanians in Epirus as before. That’s because of the çam genocide that happened in Çameria, it’s a regions in mostly Greece Epirus area. It was inhabited by Albanians sense at least medieval ages. Later forming the çam Albanians. Çams we’re a majority in Çameria region up to the event under and after world war 2 time period. Majority were Muslims but manny were also orthodox. When Greece got control over Çameria, problems started to happen. Long story short it ended that majority of çams we’re forced to flee to Albania, displaced, killed and assimilated. After that event Çameria became majority Greek. There are still çam Albanians that lives there but in small numbers now. It was a Çham Genocide. Hope you understood everything and if I am wrong correct me. But I know that what a said is mostly right because I only talk about stuff I know and have information about. But it can be some small mistakes, but otherwise I am pretty confident of what I said. Thanks if you lasted this long, lol😂. But thanks seriously❤ Bye🎉
@@emanuelskelaj9843 Thanks for the answer.But chams killed 300 greeks in the side of italians, despotate of arta was greek,ancient hellenic culture is all over epirus even medieval despotate that covered all of albania, albanians also killed greeks in epirus and the whole sason island .The albanians arrived during ottoman conquest.Albanian language was created based on ancient illyrian around 1800 and i am sure most of "albanians" today are turks.
@@johnsreptifilmsstudios çams killed Greeks, that’s true. But they did it because of when Greece got control over Epirus and the çams were discriminated by them and had it bad. Italians also colonized Albania at the time so Albanians we’re also under attack against Italians. But çams thought they could get help by them to get there land back but we know what happened after that. Despotate of Arta was an Albanian principality actually. It was also vassal of other empire and also independent sometimes. Under that kingdom manny Albanians lived there and it was controlled by Albanian noble family. Greeks also killed Albanians don’t forget about that especially the çham genocide. It’s true that majority of Albanians converted to Islam by ottomans. That was mainly because of getting higher status and wealth. And also paying lower taxes. Even if majority converted and are still today majority Albanian Muslims, manny catholic and orthodox Albanians still survived and exist to this day. Albanians have nothing to do with Turks, only thing they have in common is religion and part of Ottoman Empire. It’s also true that manny Albanians came to Greece under ottoman control to but Albanians migration to Greece happened also before ottoman era. Albanian migration to Greece happened around late 1200 AD to 1300-1600 AD. They had Albanian principalities there at some point under that historical period. Albanian language was not based on Illyrians 1800s. Albanians are a Paleo Balkan people native to the Balkans. It’s proven that Albanians are Paleo Balkan. We can see that on the language, Albanian symbols and most importantly by DNA. Albanian origin is more complicated but of all ancient Paleo Balkan people, majority of historians, scholars and researchers agree on and think that Albanians most likely are descendants of ancient Illyrians. Unfortunately there are lack of Illyrian inscription that has survived but, We found inscription of messapian writing that is in Italy Apulia. Messapian were also Paleo Balkan people believed to be descendants of Illyrians settlers that came from Balkans to Italy around 1100-900 BC. Messapians may most likely have Illyrian origin. They found writing of the messapians that has similarities with Proto-Albanian language. They have similar and also same words that makes us think Albanians and messapians are sister people descendants of same parent Illyrians. The messapi got extinct before 100 BC by Romans and got assimilated and mixed with them. The proto-Albanian language is believed to be descendants of a southern surviving mountain Illyrian language that lived or were pushed to the mountains by Roman’s under Roman rule. They are believed to have survived romanization and slavicization of the Balkans. After fall of western Roman Empire and slavic people migration to Balkans, surviving Illyrians were pushed down south by slavic people and formed the proto-Albanian language. The Proto-Albanian language is believed to have originated and formed in Kosovo and spread after fall of western Rome back into Albania and some other regions were Illyrian lived before Roman’s came. It means that Albanians are descendants of southern Illyrian mountain tribe or tribes that became proto-Albanian. Because of romanization, the Albanian language has manny Latin loanwords from the ancient Romans that came to Balkans. Even if Albanian language is it’s own branch an the Indo European family tree it still has a lot of Latin vocabulary and words from Roman time. And Albanian language do also have some Ancient Greek and Byzantine loanwords not so manny but it exist in the Albanian language, off course not nearly as much like Latin loanwords from ancient Romans. And manny think that proto-Albanians may be descendants of an Illyrian people closely related to messapians by language. Some researchers and historians think Albanians may be of Thracian or Dacian origin. That’s because of Albanians having high Dacian-Thracian DNA. Some think that Albanians are illyro-Thracian people. Because Thracian and Illyrians were in a contact zone in Kosovo that can be another reason. The dardanians had Thracian influence. But the information I can find, majority agree on Illyrian origin. Means Albanians are an ancient people. Even if greek and Albanian are two separate branches of indo European. The Albanian and Greek language are the only two languages in the Balkans that are of Paleo Balkan origin that still exist to this day. The rest of the Balkan languages are of Slavic and Latin branches.
If you look at the 3 largest haplogroups per country, you can get an order by genetic similarity - which coincides with historical/political maps and unions throughout centuries. The crazy part is that some of these borders exist still to this day (in a way) - which just shows how deep the divisions in the Balkans are! *Formerly part of Austria-Hungary/Members of EU today* - Hungarians: R1a: 26% I2a: 20% R1b: 19% - Slovenes: R1a: 35% I2a: 20% R1b: 16% - Croats: I2a: 38% R1a: 25% R1b: 10% ---------------------------------- *Formerly occupied by the Ottoman Empire for centuries/are not members of EU* - Bosnians: I2a: 45% E3b: 15% R1a: 15% - Serbs: I2a: 28% E3b: 20% R1a: 15% - Macedonians: I2a: 20% E3b: 20% J2: 16% (A lot of R1a too: 13%) --------------------------------- *Formerly occupied by the Ottoman Empire for centuries/Members of EU today* - Bulgarians: I2a: 22% E3b: 20% R1a: 18% - Romanians: I2a: 20% R1a: 20% E3b: 19% (A lot J2 too: 16%) --------------------------------- *Formerly the heart of the Ottoman Empire + occupied:* - Turkey (*is not EU member*): J2: 30% E3b: 24% R1b: 16% - Greeks (*EU member*): E3b: 25% J2: 20% R1b: 15% - Albanians (*is not EU member*): E3b: 35% J2: 25% R1b: 18%
Honestly genetics in the Balkans and Europe are a super fascinating subject! The only thing I wonder about in these listings is the Hungarian one, as from what I've seen Hungarians typically have much less I2a, and are typically mostly R1a, R1b and E3b
@@thatstorm_spectre The data I posted averages out 20 different studies. In some of these studies the results are a bit different. Specifically for Hungarians, I have seen numbers where I2a is as low as 16% and R1b is sometimes higher than that. So, you could be right if you looked at just 1 specific study. But there is no doubt I2a is still very large in Hungarian population, and this isn't strange at all if you look at Hungarian history and Ottoman invasions which pushed a lot of South Slavs (who have the largest percentages of I2a) northwards. Also, Hungary was in a political union with some of these countries for numerous centuries and their influence can even be seen in some very common Hungarian surnames today - such as Horváth (which is most likely a variation on the word Hrvat/Croat).
Bosnians didnt come in to existance with Islam. Moreover your assesment that Bosnia simply is a fractured part of serbia is wrong as it was consistantly closer to the hungarian and croatian sphere of influence than the serbian one having its own political development with a culture seperate from its neighbours. Namely the main evidence for this is its authentic bosnian church which was neither catholic nor orthodox, a seperate script and a unique culture combining slavic, pannonian and romance cultural influences.
He's wrong on a lot of things, like saying Albanians have anything to do with Illyrians, but saying that Bosnians as a national identity comes into existence with Islam is correct. The thing is, Bosnia did exist as a country and had a different religious life than it's neighbours, yet if you look at oldest and medieval Bosnian documents, the people of Bosnia are called Serbs and Herzegs(real Croatians) officially. I understand that it's not something people in Bosnia like to hear today because they based their modern identity on Islam yet that's just history. Bosnia as a country existed. Bosnians as a nationality, not until recently
@@belivuk2526 but serbs think they Are from carpat and Are all muslims hahah dont even now shit about Arbanasi in Croatia Arvaniti in Greece Arbareshe in south itali they Are all albanians katolik and ortodox. but stupit serbs think they build all the monesterys and fight the war of Kosovo alone while claiming albanian history and Heroes as they own
@@pranvera5394 Illyrian is just a Romanised name for what Greeks called Thracian. The people Greeks called Thracians had names for themselves, among them, Thracian tribe of Triballi called themselves Serbs. This is also backed by some non Greek historians of antiquity. Later on in the middle ages, Latinised Catholic spehere such as HRO, later Germany and AH refer to Serbia as Illyricum and Serbian empire as Magnum Illyricum. They also refer to several other groups of Slavs such as Bosnian and Montenegrin as Illyrian as well. It's referenced all through history by historians from Europe and Turkic historians. That's just more proof that it's simply a Latin name for Slavs, at least the south ones that Romans knew of. Even the supposed "Ilyrian writings" I have seen floating around used as proof by Alabanians are actually Slavic Glagolitic, a predecessor of Old Church Slavonic. Truly, it is labeled as Illyrian writting in the western books, but remember, westerners applied that name to Slavs, starting with Rome so it makes sense why they've labeled Slavic writing as Illyrian. The whole thing about Albanians having anything to do with Illyrians was started during 80s in an attempt to build some sort of national identity and pride when attempts started at crafting the fake history of ancient Albanians. The only Albanians with deep roots in the Balkans are Arbanas which held several villages in what's nowadays central Albania when they were 1st even mentioned. There's a possibility that Arbanas are linked to Troyans, looking at the meaning of the word, the haplotype, taking into consideration how different they look and talk. But Troyans came to Balkans later than Thracians, in fact, were allowed to settle there by their Thracian allies after Troy fell to Hellenic tribes. The only link that Albanians have to Illyrians aka. Thracian aka. Slavs is through mixing with us, but that was, again, mostly the case with original Arbanas, not the later settled Turkic and Arab people who came as mercenaries and who's ancestors now call themselves Albanians
This can be for the Serbs-Croats-Montenegrins-Bosniaks as "one ethnicity/same culture/language". Macedonians, Bulgarians & especially Slovenes are different.
No doubt these former Bulgarians have now formed a new ethnic group after their particular historic journey - albeit a precarious one. They would be served best by accepting the reality of how their group was formed and by dropping some of their more ridiculous claims.
What was Gura conspiring with Plato? Were they trying to convince the world that Atlantis was lost so they could be left alone? Jokes on Gura then, we got french fries, they got boring healthy food. Also, a moment of silence for Macedonia getting the short end of the stick so many times.
Bosnia is Croatian land because bosniaks never existed until 1992 they were always called croatians and all ruling families of bosnia were croats. Kotromanić,Šubić,Boričevič...
What a load of crap. Croatia had a kingdom for less than 100 years. Meanwhile serbia had not only a long standing kingdom but also an empire. Did Serbs not exist in Bosnia? Why do Croats have serb last names? Bosnia is more serb than jt was ever Croat
Bosniaks never existed until 1992? So in 1992 they suddenly materialize themselves in existence? I can only imagine how spectacular that was, people start to appear from nothing.
Yea they were all there, but none of them are ethnic groups which still exist in the Balkans today, so they weren't the topic of the video, I mention them more in the history of Romania video tho
A new video!!!(🇭🇺or as a true hungarian would say fúj román).but i really looked for a balkan history video and you have the perfect personality for this in my opinion.
The Altaic connection is a very sketchy connection that is mostly not followed anymore in modern linguistics. Meanwhile it's not possible for us to know if some Hungarians also followed Attila westward during the Hunnic conquests. It's certainly a possibility and is one of the founding myths / theories regarding the Szeklers, but there just dont exist sources to tell us about any substantial numbers of Magyars coming with Atilla. We know the vast majority of them arrived in the 800s ish when the settled initially in Etelköz which is to the east of the Carpathians. But after the Pechenegs raided them they migrated further west into the Pannonian Plains
One minor correction, it wasn't the Bulgarians who created the Cyrillic alphabet. The king of Moravia requested that Constantinople send missionaries to help evangelize his subjects and it sent two brothers, Cyril and Methodius. Funnily enough, the Moravians were Catholic but the king wanted to keep Rome's and the Franks' influence at bay. However, to counter this move by the Moravians, Rome made the two brothers Catholic priests (and later Methodius was made the archbishop of Moravia) despite them being Orthodox. However however, Rome opposed the use of the Cyrillic liturgy and after the brothers' death, their students were forced to leave Moravia for Slavic lands under Orthodox rule. This is the reason why despite Cyrillic language starting out in Moravia (present day Czechia btw), they still use the Latin alphabet. I honestly believe Cyril's and Methodius's story is one of the most underrated stories in European history and in no way does it deserve a mere mention in passing while discussing the history of the Slavs.
Nope they didnt make the Cyrillic they made the Glagolitic script in Moravia .Cyrillic was made in Preslav (bulgaria).So yea bulgarians did made the Cyrillic alphabet
Please research before commenting. The Saints Cyril and Methodius created Glagolithic, not Cyrillic. Glagolithic was meant for translation of Biblical texts, language standardisation, and government purposes, for the conversion of the Slavs, specifically those of Greater Moravia. The Glagolithic script then spread the Moravia to the Balkans, with Croatia keeping the script for the longest. After St St Cyril and Methodius' deaths, a new leader would come to rule, undoing the Saints' reforms and expelling their disciples out of Moravia. The Five major students of Saints Cyril and Methodius were Bulgarian, and after their banishment, they'd return to Bulgaria. First, they'd stop at Serbia, as legend goes, the Serbian king knew the situation Bulgaria was in (read another comment I wrote, or ask if you'd like to know more), so aided their journey to Bulgaria. Knyaz Boris of Bulgaria (which had been in a very bad situation at that point) welcomed the Five Bulgarian Disciples with open arms, and let them aid conversion to Christianity. Knyaz Boris opened two schools in the Bulgarian Empire for the Students, one in Ohrid and one in Preslav. There, Knyaz Boris would commission to the Students, either to student St Climent of Ohrid, or more likely to St Naom and the Students at Preslav, the creation of the Cyrillic alphabet and standardisation of the Bulgarian language. This would build the foundations of the Bulgarian Golden Age, and the Cyrillic script would spread across the Orthodox realm as Bulgaria grew, even to Russia and Ukriane (Kievan Rus'), which would accept Cyrillic missionaries from Bulgaria.
Amazing work man,though one thing I feel I should add is the fact that the Bessarabian bulgarians only came there in the late 14th-early 15th century in order to escape the Ottoman conquest so they can't really support your theory about the gagauz(and also there was a separate population within Bulgaria proper that identified as old bulgarians up until the end of the 19th century)
Yea the Bulgarians and Gagauz went to Bessarabia much later, although I didn't know that old Bulgars continued existing up to the 19th century. Honestly the old Bulgars are fascinating and I hope to talk about them more at some point in the future 😁
Excellent video, although i don't think the Gagauz are old Bulgar remnants. They speak an Oghuz dialect(like Turks, Turkmens and Azerbaijanis). Pechenegs were also Oghuz aswell but it is recorded that most of them migrated to Hungary and assimilated there when Cumans took their lands.
It's pretty shocking to find out that Albanian is 60% latin. I thought the language was relatively unscathed, or maybe they might have tried to remove foreign words like how Romanian removed slavic words its own vocabulary.
Anime dude, Bosnia was first mentioned in the 1st AD as the Bossania/Boseni, and the Bosnian kingdom was not Serb because of what I just said, the Bosniaks identity predates the second Slav migration into Balkans.
Ngl I think "Anime Dude" is my favorite nickname I've received on here 😁 And yes, I misspoke in the video, I'm honestly not sure what I was trying to say, because even pre Islam the Bosnians had their own church so very obviously were seperate from the Serbs. This was an oops, and I hope to correct it with a Bosnian video at some point. Maybe a part 2 because the N. Macedonians aren't happy either lol
C (first settlers?) , E (Egyptians, Berberics) , F, G (Caucasians) haplos were chamitic, I (nordic and Balkanics) J (Anatolians) were semitic, N (Finno) , R (Gauls, Slavs, Balts, Iranians) were Japhetic.
Genetics do disagree. We cannot just assume a nations origin simply based on langauge family as there were assimilations. For example south slavs and romanians are more repated to each other than south slavs are to actual slavs or romanians to actual romans in italy. Many of the slavs are descendants of pre slavic peoples. You mention the bulgarians as both slavs and descendants of turkic bulgars because of name. Yet don’t mention their thracian ancestry as well. Albanians are mostly descendants of illyrians but not fully and most of that is the southers illyrians whereas the northern ones are in fact the ancestors of slavs there. Also Im sure many modern turks are not just greeks and slavs and celts who adopted turkic culture but also old anatolians like hittites and probably more related to armenians and kurds than they would like to admit. Hungarians are not just uralics and nomad people they have very Central European looks and probably part slavic. Their dna suggests so too. The North Macedonians thing is a topic for another day. Lets just say their DNA is more similar to greeks than to russians ukrianians or poles.
Most of the North illyrians relocated to different areas. Roughly more than 60% of south Slavic genetics are well Slavic related the Serbs only could be of paleo balkan DNA is if they mixed with the proto Albanians
Illyrian language wasnt a written language - there is nothing in written evidence by Illyrians Everything we knows is according ancient Greek authors bcs Greeks named this region Illyria and people Illyrians Half planet based on Greek writing system and alphabet: Latin Cyrillic
This is the same response I've already provided: I've heard this before but it's firstly not entirely true and second not how languages work. Albanian is not 9000 years old, it's true that forms of Paleo Balkan are upwards of 6000 years old but that's not Albanian specifically, it was older languages that evolved ingo the Albanian we recognize today. Meanwhile Latin is not 2700 years old, while the Roman state was created around 2700 years ago, Latin as the language that we recognize it as was created only around the second century BC, but of course it simply evolved from earlier forms of Latin which evolved from proto Latin which evolved from proto Italic and so on and so forth, so the same argument that makes Albanian 6000 years old can be used to say Latin is 6000 years old. But even if we say Albanian is older than Latin, it doesn't alter the fact that Albanian is comprised of a lot of Latin words, and it's not because Albanian came from Latin or anything, it's because Latin was forced onto the Albanians through the domination of the Roman Empire. This linguistic domination is evident all over Europe as the Gauls, Dacians, Iberians, Etruscans and more all completely lost their native languages and took on Latin as their language with only certain words or grammatical structures living on. Meanwhile the Albanians miraculously managed to hold on the language with only certain words and grammatical structures being from Latin. It's nothing to be ashamed of that your language has Latin influence, it's evidence that you managed to hold onto your culture and language even through the Romans. Something only you, the Basques and the Welsh can say.
@@thatstorm_spectre en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Albanians#:~:text=Albanian%20is%20an%20Indo%2DEuropean,European%20migrations%20in%20the%20region. Older than Greek Egyptian and Sanskrit it's either 8000 or 9000 years.
@@Shift-l6v yeaaaa that article says absolutely nothing to back that up. Albanian as the language we recognize it today is about 1000 years old, in it's earlier Illyrian form before the Roman Empire maybe 3000 years, about the same as Latin, from then on you're getting into a Language which is less and less Albanian, as the article calls it Proto Albanian and before that Pre-Proto Albanian, but these wordings are pretty ubsurd. This would be like calling Italo-Celtic languages prior to the Celtic Itallic split Pre-Proto Romanian because Romanian is a Romance language which devolved from the Italo-Celtic languages so why not call it all Romanian? Then Romanian must be 9000 years old. You see how this logic doesn't make sense? Albanian is a very unique language, the only one of its Indo European branch which has survived and only 1 of 2 Paleo Balkan languages to live to the modern day along with Greek. For that you have much to be proud of. But older than Sanskrit or Egyptian Albanian is not.
Sources? pfff What would be the point? In a vid about the Balkans it would only embolden people to start a war. Trust me while the video is succinct, it is mostly true.
Finally someone spends time to speak accurately about the history of the Balkans.(Also:Are there still people who don't know Macedonian Empire was Greek?)
@@christos3280Albania its an illyrian name from Albanoi tribe. Albanians are discendent from paleo balkan tribes and speak a paleo-balkan language like illyrians
Dracula wtf?? in Albania the national hero is Skanderbeg and no other European country or population has ever slapped the Ottomans like the Albanians did under the leadership of Scanderbeg...However, Dracula cannot be compared with Skanderbeg which is one of the best generals in the history of humanity
The Macedonians are indisputably very confused Bulgarians( its not ''Balkan hatred''). They have Greek history which is where the regions name probably came from but now a days and since about the year 1000, they are ethnically Bulgarian.
@@TheHunterOfYharnamThe Macedonians were never Greek. The Greeks came in the 19th Century, while the Macedonians came 1000 Years before that! Their Language isn't even similar to the Ancient Macedonian Language. It's funny how you call us other names because you don't know the truth, but once you grow up and start reading history books you will see everything will change!
@@TheHunterOfYharnamAlso what proof do you have of us being Bulgarians? Nothing! Exactly! So stop yapping and actually start learning some history instead of believing in Propaganda your people have taught you!
@@StrumicaMapperyou are slavs, you speak bulgarian, all ethnographic maps show you as bulgarians from older dates and lastly there is no makedonian ethnicity in ottoman accounts there are only greeks turks and bulgarians what propaganda?? you are bathed in probaganda, born from it, its even in your blood.
@@TheHunterOfYharnam Yes, we are Slavs. As the ancient Macedonians were. What do you mean by “you speak Bulgarian”? We literally have a whole different Language. Also ethnographic maps before 1912 say there were Macedonians in the region of Macedonia. You literally don't have ANY proof at all. So it's better for you to stop spreading propaganda before you get embarrassed😂
Thanks! Now I understand that everyone was hellenised, then latinized, then slavified, later bulgarized, then hunnified, then osmanized and lastly cold warified. But at the end of the day all the balkan belongs to Kosovo.
The Gagauz ethnonym suggests Cox/Kavkaz/Kayig/Kevi/Kubiar a.k.a. Khakkas/Kyrgyz descent. The Kevi were a core tribe of the European Huns and later the Kubiar a core tribe of the Bulgars. Kiev is named after them but the different tribes likely spoke different languages so the Chuwash=Choban=Suwar=Sabir (possibly from Xiao Yuezhi OR Xianbei) spoke Oghuric while many Euro Huns like the Kevi spoke Oghuzic as they seemingly had mixed with or were part of the Dingling tribes which were the majority of the right wing of the Xiongnu and later the Xianbei and Rouran empires. The European Huns (21 tribes ="21 guns") became part of the 40 Tiele (descended from Dingling) in the 500's I think although what if anything the dominant Avars had to do with that process is unclear to me.
gagaus are,from bulgarian federation of Old Bulgaria probably,лангуадге ис нот цритериа,you are right,as many other tribes,so bulgarians,are mix of all horse tribes between Black and Caspian seas,hunnic,gothic,scytho-sarmatians and,from Balkans,slavs and thracians,under Dulo clan,enemy of Ashina,and hungarians are probably onoguri,another bulgar tribe.In bulgarian name is Ungaria,not Hungary,Bulgaria and Ungaria.And Bulgaria give all,alfabet,clergy,literacy,old church slavonic is just old bulgarian,to slavic peoples.She is for slavic peoples,as romans for latin speackers .You can check if not believe me hihihi Healt and happynes for all :)
Great video,but i have to point out that slovenes migrated to the balkans before croats meaning it would be impossible for the croats to mix with the poles
Thank you! As for the Slovenians, I guess it depends on what you mean by Slovenian, because the Croats came in the 600s and mixed with some of the Western Slavs, that probably came from Moravia. So if you consider Slovenes the result of a mixture between Western and South Slavic people (which was what I worked with) then they were established as an ethnic group following this event. But if you consider the Slovenes to just be west slavs that were heavily influenced by the south slavs then the Slovenes were already there and just influenced by the Croats. Also I just used Poland as a stand in for "Western Slavs" but Czechia or a Moravia ball would have been more accurate. 😁
Btw all of us balkaners are a mix of acient neolithic farmers and indo-europeans as an origin of illiryans, thracians, hellens, italics and slavs... . Albanian have only 15-20% latin vocabulary, if it would have been 60% would have been a latin language, regardless like from Dacia Malvensis or better said Craiova.😂
I'm sorry if I got it wrong, I've heard contradicting percentages but I heard 60% the most often. But even if it is 60%, Albanian is still a unique language and not Latin due to the underlying syntax being wholly unique 😁
@@thatstorm_spectre My understading of the situation with Albanian and Latin is that it's similar to how English has 2/3rds French and Latin vocabulary if you count the whole dictionary, but daily speech tends to use more Germanic words.
@@Weirdeioluno, the root of english is germanic and the most important words or the most common used are germanic, while the overall vocabulary of english is latin but the words are not used too much.
You remember me of a guy living ironically in Europe
Remind*
@@stephmod7434🤓
Let him be
Samw
Minus the skirt
Rip
"SAVAGES! SAVAGES! BARELY EVEN HUMAN!"
~ Casual exchange between Balkaners on the internet from their rented apartments in Berlin
Jawohl! Wir lieben unsere Deutsche Apartement!
O7 🇩🇪🇩🇪🦅🦅🇩🇪🇩🇪
@@thatstorm_spectreI wonder where you are from 🤔
@@angelocoli8972 I'm from Transylvania in Romania =)
@@thatstorm_spectre now tell me did Romania steal Transylvania from Hungary?
@@angelocoli8972 hahaha, I'll make a video on it at some point ;)
Bro is “LivingIronicallyInEurope”’s brother 😭🙏🏻
As a Balkan man I loved your video! You earned a sub!
You have changed so much, i remember watching you play games and streaming years ago, time has definitely flown by. Keep up the work 👍
Holy Cow! How long has it been amigo? I just got an urge to play fortnite again! If you still play, we should hop on sometime this weekend
I thought this video would be full of misinformation, but I was wrong. On the contrary, it is an almost complete and objective video.
As all Balkan people, we must protect our culture. This is a wealth. Greetings from Turkey🇹🇷
I am honored my Turkish friend! I hope to make more content about our little chaotic part of Europe!
İyi dileklerimle!
@@thatstorm_spectre though "bulgar" is turkic tribe, you can search it, thats why gagauz calling themselves that way. More like bulgarians are stole that name
I think the Justinian Plague also played a very major role in the Slavicization of the Balkans.
The Justinian Plague had spread like wildfire throughout the Balkans, wiping out a great many native Balkan peoples.
Then the Slavs arrived, finding that they actually outnumbered the afflicted native Balkan peoples by quite a lot, thus facilitating the Slavicization process since the Slavs had preponderance.
It makes sense that even *Greeks* (who were the furthest from the Slavs) today still have a significant Slavic admixture.
Actually they were not more numerous than the locals but the locals were shepherds living on the mountains, the new slavic population were practicing agriculture so they use to live in the lower areas and they were easier to be controlled by the Bulgarians leadership which was much more probably, as the Kazars, a jewish population knowing to control the others, trading goods and paying warriors to fight for them. Th mix of the Jewish with the different Turkish population was as we can see today in Ukraine where the rich Ukrainian jews left but the poor local Ukrainian as the former Polish, Romanians and Russian are fighting for the Americans who are paying with the Russians who are fighting for the Russians jews oligarchs.
The Oghuzs didn't come from Mongolia. At since 7th A.D. The Oghuz Yabgu State had been established in the east of the Caspian Sea. The Oghuzs created a new ethnogenesis consisting of a mixture of 24 tribes from Western and Eastern Turks, and then they created the Seljuks and the Ottomans
Even if others stole their name, the Onoguri were also proto-Bulgarians.
Ooo look at Mrs smartass over here
haklısınız ama oğuzların da hazarın doğusuna o gölgeden geldiklerini hesaba katarsak yine günümüz moğolistanından geldi denebilir bence
@@CocoSon-zj5oj proto-bulgarians probably turkic too they did believe tengrism they had turkic name and tradition
Very well done. Great effort, enjoyfull and interestibg in a communicative way ! Keep on publishing STORM and team !
Faleminderit për videon, Përshendetje nga 🇦🇱🇽🇰❤️
Amazing video, can't wait until you expand outside the balkans, like western romania (spain)
We'll be back soon ;)
Give or take 1 Video. I have 2 ideas, one includes Spain, Italy and Rome, the other the East slavs, so I'll throw a dart and we'll see ;)
@@thatstorm_spectre Macedonians are not Bulgarians,we don't consider ourselves Bulgarians. We speak Macedonian,not Bulgarian,they are 2 different languages,they are not the same language. We have nothing to do with Moldova and Romania,Belarus and Russia,Montenegro and Serbia. We have our own nation,with our own culture,language and history,so please educate yourself. And please stop being racist towards us.
@@kostadinpanov4596Your language is almost the same as Bulgarian,literally the same with a Serbian influence
And your history is copy pasted Bulgarian and Greek history,since you "think" that your history extends to the ancient times
Be thankful to Tito for allowing you to call yourselves "Macedonians" today,otherwise you'd be a proud Bulgarian right now
"Stop being racist towards us" Lol,do you also believe you are oppressed?
😂
@@kostadinpanov4596 You can't deny the fact that you speak a language close to Bulgarian and a little to Serbian, two Slavic languages that have nothing in common with ancient Macedonian. I don't know what kind of racism you see.
Yeah this guy is really good, one of the best ive seen on RUclips
Hi from Gagauz Yeri, Komrat🐺👋🏻
World historiography forgets that the Oghuz were divided into two, giving preference to the Seljuk Turks, believing that they are the only successors of the Oghuz. Some became Seljuk Turks who went south, converted to Islam and became the ancestors of modern Turks, Azerbaijanis and Turkmens. The other part moved to Eastern Europe, chasing the Pechenegs and defeating the Khazar khaganate along with the Rus through the northern Black Sea region. In Eastern Slavic sources they are known as torki or guz. We, the Gagauzes, are their descendants, and according to popular opinion, "Gagauz" means "gök-oguz", which means heavenly(in sense sky) Gagauz and apparently means the preservation of faith in Tengri. Subsequently, the Oghuz moved to the Dobrudja region and Gagauzes there adopted Christianity and formed as a separate ethnic group. We were the overwhelming population of the Dobrudja despotate, which was ruled by turkic rulers and which appeared after the collapse of the Second Bulgarian Kingdom. I read that each of the principalities claimed to be the real successor of the Second Bulgarian Kingdom, and therefore it seems to me that the Gagauzes could call themselves "haşlı..." and "eski bulgar". Nevertheless, the Gagauzes called themselves Bulgarians, and the Bulgarians were called "tukan". In Budjak, in Bessarabia, in the Russian Empire, we finally achieved national identity and switched to the ethnonym "Gagauz", which also provoked the Gagauz people who remained in the regions of Dobrudja, as well as Eastern Macedonia and Thrace (in Greece and Turkey, whose traditions are slightly different from the rest of the Gagauzes). Thus, the Gagauzes are the Balkan Turkic people, descendants of the Oghuzes, who retained faith in Tengri and later converted to Christianity (which later caused them to suffer in the Ottoman Empire along with other Christian peoples), who formed as a separate nation in the Balkans.
We Bulgarians are not Turk, I know that's what is told in the other Balkan countries but it's not true
It's not that you are turks but that you used to be Turkic
You are not turk , you are turkic
Or used to be
@@comingafteryou5352 and I tried to explain that no, we never been, there are no evidence of that we ever to be Turk, Byzantium didn't describe us like that
@@Haksrax Turkic ok, still no, we haven't been
Türk gırtlak müziği koyduğundan dolayı I will kiss you on the cheeks! Nice video my friend! 😂❤
Dope video from an Albanian brother, I just liked and subscribed! You should do more videos on the Balkans if im honest, this video got alot of popularity
Awesome video, I really like the fact that you remind me of Living Ironically in Europe! I just wanted to tell you that the language group isn't called Illyric, but Albanoid, because of the Illyrian tribe Albanoi that lived in what today is Albania.
Its still correct because Albanoi tribe was illyrian too
@@mediterranean78904 But Illyrians spoke more than just one language, so saying that Albanian language belongs to the Albanoid lanugage group is more geographically, historically and linguistically correct.
@@markozhivkovich albanoid from albanoi tribe that is a south illyrian tribe.
@@mediterranean78904 Yes, which is why it is more geographically accurate to say that Albanian belongs to the Albanoid lanugage group. In Illyria, people spoke different languages that weren't in the same language family, which is another reason why it is more accurate to say that Albanian belongs to the Albanoid lanugage group.
@@markozhivkovich However, it is not known whether the Albanians are only the descendants of the Albanoi tribe or whether at a certain point in history all the tribes of Illyrian lineage were called Albanoi by the ancients, like the Greeks who took their name from a small Hellenic tribe
🇦🇱✝️
Damn way too underated and also accurate! Great video from bulgaria 🇧🇬!
In what way is it accurate? 😂 Thracians are not our ancestors but the Bulgars are?
@@milaenlommer9732Yea that's on me, I didn't know Bulgarians considered the Thracians to also be a part of their ancestry. I just thought Thracia greatly influenced Bulgaria so that's what I wrote at 6:24.
Although I stand by my decision with the Bulgars and Bulgaria
@@thatstorm_spectreofc thracians left some ancestry majority is mixed by Slavs and Bulgars. So ur correct
Good research keep it up man !
Greetings from Türkiye
nice content Stephan, greetings from Turkiye 😇
Wow this video was really good!
(Bir sürü içerik üreticisinden daha derin bir video yapmışsın good job!)
Correction: 60% of Albanian loanwords are of Latin origin, not the language itself
I've heard that 60% of all Albanian words are of Latin origin. Although of course I could be wrong, but to my understanding it used to be classified as Latin because of this until more research was done and they determined the underlying linguistic structure was wholly unique and the language was reclassified.
yeah, there is a reason why you must be one of us to talk about history, coz this was sooo oversimplified version that you must confuse more people then you educated
I mean, I'm from Romania so I'd say I'm pretty versed in the history of the Balkans. Of course this video was intentionally simple to get an overview of the origins of the people groups of the Balkans but if there's something you wish I would've talked more about let me know and maybe I'll make a video on it!
Excellent video! This is one of the best and most concise videos of the entire Balkans and its history that I have seen! You also are very reminiscent of Living Ironically in Europe, minus overdoing memes, which is great! You nicely balance humour and information.
This is one of the best summaries that I have seen, so I feel very bad correcting it, but the Balkans are a tricky topic, even for Balkaners (I remember reading somewhere you are Romanian) so don't worry, if I were to be nit-picky, here's some corrections:
• There is really no agreement on whether Dacians are Thracians, they are just grouped together as "Daco-Thracians", along with the Getae.
• The Daco-Thracians, Illyrians, Getae, etc are part of a general people group known as the "Paleo-Balkanic Peoples". As you said, they'd generally (with exceptions, such as the ancestors of the Albanians) be assimilated by later people groups.
• Illyrian origin of Albanians is not certainty. It's very likely, but it's not a fully agreed upon fact, and still argued upon in academia. The Albanian origin is somewhat of a mystery, however the general consensus is that they originated as Paleo-Balkanic peoples, which you described fairly well. The Illyrians were also Paleo-Balkanic peoples, along with the Thracians and Dacians, so if you had stated that the peoples that weren't assimilated were "Paleo-Balkanic", you would be correct and not have to fall into controversy by saying "Illyrian", which are also Paleo-Balkanic.
• Although the Bulgars did play a major role in Bulgaria's history, the origins of Bulgarians are Slavs. Specifically the Seven Slavic Tribes, with which Asparuh negotiated, leading to the foundation of Bulgaria.
• The Bulgarians weren't forced into Orthodoxy. When Knyaz Boris begun his reign, it was met with years of loss of wars, disorganisation, famine, as well as division between the peoples (Bulgars and Slavs), which heavily crumbled the country. He saw Christianity as an opportunity for organisation and reunion, which had been spreading in the country already, and had been leading to prosperous periods in other nations. Although accepting Christianity specifically from Byzantium instead of HRE or Rome was mainly political, and a demand from Byzantium, which I assume is what you meant by "forced", Rome and Byzantium were in a conflict with one another, which Boris managed to use to get the best outcome for Bulgaria, so "forced" is far too negative and incorrect of a term. Boris' reign and Christianity would lead to the commission of Cyrillic, as well as Golden Age in Bulgaria.
• I wish you had spoken about Vlach (Romanian) history amongst the Slavs (and Bulgars). A part of Balkan history I wish was more spoken about is that the Vlachs and Slavs lived peacefully. Romania as a state is fairly modern (if you consider Renaissance era modern), but the people are ancient. They simply were happy to live peacefully amongst the Slavs.
• I wish you spoke more about Medieval Bosnia but I understand why you didn't, so it's okay.
• Something that would have been important to add is that Bosnia was always in a tuggle of war. Often between Byzantium and Hungary or by Croatia and Serbia. Because of this conflict, Bosnia founded its nation quite late (late Medieval), and couldn't manage to cannonise its church in neither the Byzantine nor Latin realms. Because of this, they converted easily when the Ottomans came. Also, the Bosnians were right at the frontier of the Ottoman Empire. This meant that Bosnians were very important for the Ottomans, so they took great care of Bosnia. Because of this, Bosnia flourished under Ottoman rule, and many great influences of the Ottoman Empire remain only in Bosnia to this day. I feel like this should have an honourable mention.
• Road to WW1. The First World War begun in the Balkans. This wasn't random. WW1 didn't begin when Gavrilo Princip shot the Archduke. That sparked the war, but the war was caused by building of tensions for decades making WW1 inevitable at that point. I wish you explored this period of history more, but it's okay.
Besides those, your video is very good and I applaud your effort!
Balkans for ever! Na zdrawe/Živeli/Noroc/Yiamas! 🍻🍻
🇭🇷🇧🇬🇷🇸🇲🇪🇬🇷🇷🇴🇦🇱🇸🇮🇧🇦🇲🇰
(🇽🇰)(🇲🇩🇨🇾)(🇭🇺🇹🇷)
8:58 it was greek Byzantines from Thessaloniki that created the Cyrillic alphabet to help the slavs have a writing system of their own language
Nooo! Do tell more?
They created the Glagolic Alphabet. The Cyrillic is made in Preslav by Bulgarian students of Cyril's and Methodius after their death
@@mustafapetrovoglu1673 Глагољица! Па дааа….Ха!
@@mustafapetrovoglu1673
We always like to have a step further….
ruclips.net/video/AiorMAUrmpY/видео.htmlsi=K6nB500Mpb3X-c45
Taking a class right now in my final year (BA in History) and the one thing I would say is that the Ottomans were happy to have many people stay orthodox Christian’s. Putting janissaries aside, orthodox Christian’s could be taxed more, and Ottoman rule was only really super influential in the small urban centers. This is why, while 80% of say the land we would call Serbia (today) was Orthodox Christian, almost every urban center was 70%+ Muslim (albeit, these “urban centers” were essentially big towns)
Also, the idea of a nation state and the prominence of ethnicity was really a creation of late 19th and 20th century events. There’s this great source I read that talks about these “Macedonian” men who, regarding fighting the Turks, didn’t care if they were labeled as Bulgarian, Serb, or Greek. They went with Bulgarian because it benefitted them the most at the time. There’s a lot of fluidity prior to the formation of nation states when it came to perceived ethnicity, which is so fascinating.
Some mistakes
8:49 - The Byzantines did not force the Bulgarians to convert to Orthodoxy, rather they did so after St Knyaz Boris I accepted it in 864 AD. Orthodoxy wasn’t really forced anywhere in the Balkans.
We Pushed them to join under the Patriarch of Constantinople. St Knyaz Boris I wanted to join with Rome. We were one church at the time, but still.
@@00fgytduydrtu St Knyaz Boris I didn't convert because he was pressured to. He was very firm about the Orthodox belief and the instigation of it in Bulgaria. He even blinded his own son after he attempted to convert the country back to paganism.
0:03 i found my class in highschool
Mirobolant video frate , continuă munca buna și vei ajunge departe👍
Best explanation of the Balkans ever. Hands down
Balkans , the place with the best history in the worlds
You deserve more views and subs.
I officially joined the Under 1000 subs club.
Proud to be Albanian 🇦🇱🇽🇰🦅👐🏼❤️🌟 Illyrian blood
🇦🇱🇦🇱🦅🦅🇦🇱🦅🇦🇱
You're wrong, the Gagauz were from modern day North-East Bulgaria, and are likely a mixture of Cumans, Pechenegs and probably the Uzes, which were colonized in Bessarabia in the mid 19th century by the Russians after annexing Bessarabia, and after starting the Russification process of the region, because in 1812 the entire region from Hotin to the Black Sea had a percentage of 90-95% Romanians/Moldovans living there, while at the beginning of the 20th century the autochtonous element decreased to 60% after the influx of Ukrainians, Russians, Bulgarians, Gagauzes, Germans, Poles and Ashkenazi Jews.
Damn that are crazy videos. Keep it up! I just subscribed you rn
0:38 Bulgaria is the only one mad because North Macedonia is on top of them
XDD ngl I didn't realize this and I edited it
I am albanian ( I am typing this from my home in albania not germany) and when i sae you said 60% latin I thought bullshit, then I went oh you right
60% is exaggerated, but the Latina stump cannot be neglected
If that was true then it would be placed under latin branch but it's not because it's lies. The latins took from Albanians which came first from Pelasgians.
Big W
I can see the comment section from 500 billion miles away
It's been pretty civil so far. But give it time 😉
Yeah
Awesome video, the avatar is a bit edgy, but i like your style♥️
Epirus and corfu in northwest Greece and south Albania was and is ethnically Greek from ancient time (kingdom of Epirus)
Epirus was an ethnically mixed region for example the city of Byllis which was an intermix close cultural contact btw Greeks and Illyrians or Pyrrhus which was raised by the wife of Illyrian King Glaukias of the Taulanti. I can tell you more examples if you want
Epirotes were considered barbarians by ancient greeks. They werent and most certainly arent greek.
And Epirus was and is also ethnically Albanian. ❤️🔥🇦🇱❤️🔥
Albanian principalities existed in Epirus in late medieval age, later forming çams and Souliotes that stayed in those areas on Greece.
Albanians even reached western Greece and created Albanian principalities there to. One Example is: (Despotate of Arta)
That happened because large population of southern tosk-Albanians migrated to Greece under late medieval times.
They even reached southern Greece that included Peloponnese and Attica and formed later to Arvanites.
Majority of arvanites are assimilated to Greek culture and self-identify is Greek because of a process of assimilation that happened after Greek independence. Over time they lost there Albanian culture, identity and language and became Greeks.
Why did it happen? Because of manny reasons. Majority of Arvanites in Greece after Greek independence were orthodox. It was easier to assimilate Albanian orthodox then Albanian Muslims. Manny Albanian Muslims in Greece were send to turkey during population exchange. It was because Greece wanted to be a orthodox Christian state and a Greek state. That’s why they traded with turkey to give Muslims Albanians and Greeks to be offered orthodox Greek Anatolian people to help them but also create there Greek Orthodox state and not be so mixed.
Arvanites were orthodox but not Greek. They had the first part but not second as Greece wished. So over time they became Greek to, for example being part of Greek Orthodox community and pray in Greek , not speak Albanian on political and work term. Change name to more orthodox Greek names if they didn’t already have it, not provide official Albanian school to the newer generation and arvanites did probably mix with other Greeks after Greek independence to over time get assimilated. Those examples impacted arvanites culture over time. And with time passing they didn’t see themselves as Albanian anymore.
Something Italy did that was good was to provide Albanian school the the Arberesh, people with Albanian origin that fled to Italy during late medieval age from ottoman rule. Majority of them identify as Albanian because they were not assimilated by Italians like arvanites were by Greece. Don’t know why but it’s what it is.
Italy didn’t really assimilate the Arberesh.
Majority can speak the tosk-Albanian Arberesh dialect language. It is still a dying language dialect because of newer generation and people moving to cities, but not as fast dying as the tosk-Albanian Arvanitika language dialect. Majority doesn’t speak arvanitika anymore, only a minority and it’s mostly elders.
What do I mean by all of this? Don’t really know why a mentioned all of these stuff but even if Epirus was and is ethnically Greek sense ancient times to today. Epirus was also and still is ethnically ALBANIAN sense at least medieval ages to today. But not as much Albanians in Epirus as before.
That’s because of the çam genocide that happened in Çameria, it’s a regions in mostly Greece Epirus area. It was inhabited by Albanians sense at least medieval ages. Later forming the çam Albanians. Çams we’re a majority in Çameria region up to the event under and after world war 2 time period. Majority were Muslims but manny were also orthodox. When Greece got control over Çameria, problems started to happen. Long story short it ended that majority of çams we’re forced to flee to Albania, displaced, killed and assimilated. After that event Çameria became majority Greek. There are still çam Albanians that lives there but in small numbers now.
It was a Çham Genocide.
Hope you understood everything and if I am wrong correct me. But I know that what a said is mostly right because I only talk about stuff I know and have information about. But it can be some small mistakes, but otherwise I am pretty confident of what I said.
Thanks if you lasted this long, lol😂. But thanks seriously❤
Bye🎉
@@emanuelskelaj9843 Thanks for the answer.But chams killed 300 greeks in the side of italians, despotate of arta was greek,ancient hellenic culture is all over epirus even medieval despotate that covered all of albania, albanians also killed greeks in epirus and the whole sason island .The albanians arrived during ottoman conquest.Albanian language was created based on ancient illyrian around 1800 and i am sure most of "albanians" today are turks.
@@johnsreptifilmsstudios çams killed Greeks, that’s true. But they did it because of when Greece got control over Epirus and the çams were discriminated by them and had it bad. Italians also colonized Albania at the time so Albanians we’re also under attack against Italians. But çams thought they could get help by them to get there land back but we know what happened after that.
Despotate of Arta was an Albanian principality actually. It was also vassal of other empire and also independent sometimes. Under that kingdom manny Albanians lived there and it was controlled by Albanian noble family.
Greeks also killed Albanians don’t forget about that especially the çham genocide.
It’s true that majority of Albanians converted to Islam by ottomans. That was mainly because of getting higher status and wealth. And also paying lower taxes. Even if majority converted and are still today majority Albanian Muslims, manny catholic and orthodox Albanians still survived and exist to this day.
Albanians have nothing to do with Turks, only thing they have in common is religion and part of Ottoman Empire.
It’s also true that manny Albanians came to Greece under ottoman control to but Albanians migration to Greece happened also before ottoman era.
Albanian migration to Greece happened around late 1200 AD to 1300-1600 AD. They had Albanian principalities there at some point under that historical period.
Albanian language was not based on Illyrians 1800s.
Albanians are a Paleo Balkan people native to the Balkans. It’s proven that Albanians are Paleo Balkan. We can see that on the language, Albanian symbols and most importantly by DNA.
Albanian origin is more complicated but of all ancient Paleo Balkan people, majority of historians, scholars and researchers agree on and think that Albanians most likely are descendants of ancient Illyrians. Unfortunately there are lack of Illyrian inscription that has survived but, We found inscription of messapian writing that is in Italy Apulia. Messapian were also Paleo Balkan people believed to be descendants of Illyrians settlers that came from Balkans to Italy around 1100-900 BC. Messapians may most likely have Illyrian origin.
They found writing of the messapians that has similarities with Proto-Albanian language. They have similar and also same words that makes us think Albanians and messapians are sister people descendants of same parent Illyrians. The messapi got extinct before 100 BC by Romans and got assimilated and mixed with them.
The proto-Albanian language is believed to be descendants of a southern surviving mountain Illyrian language that lived or were pushed to the mountains by Roman’s under Roman rule. They are believed to have survived romanization and slavicization of the Balkans. After fall of western Roman Empire and slavic people migration to Balkans, surviving Illyrians were pushed down south by slavic people and formed the proto-Albanian language.
The Proto-Albanian language is believed to have originated and formed in Kosovo and spread after fall of western Rome back into Albania and some other regions were Illyrian lived before Roman’s came.
It means that Albanians are descendants of southern Illyrian mountain tribe or tribes that became proto-Albanian.
Because of romanization, the Albanian language has manny Latin loanwords from the ancient Romans that came to Balkans. Even if Albanian language is it’s own branch an the Indo European family tree it still has a lot of Latin vocabulary and words from Roman time. And Albanian language do also have some Ancient Greek and Byzantine loanwords not so manny but it exist in the Albanian language, off course not nearly as much like Latin loanwords from ancient Romans.
And manny think that proto-Albanians may be descendants of an Illyrian people closely related to messapians by language.
Some researchers and historians think Albanians may be of Thracian or Dacian origin. That’s because of Albanians having high Dacian-Thracian DNA. Some think that Albanians are illyro-Thracian people. Because Thracian and Illyrians were in a contact zone in Kosovo that can be another reason. The dardanians had Thracian influence.
But the information I can find, majority agree on Illyrian origin.
Means Albanians are an ancient people.
Even if greek and Albanian are two separate branches of indo European.
The Albanian and Greek language are the only two languages in the Balkans that are of Paleo Balkan origin that still exist to this day. The rest of the Balkan languages are of Slavic and Latin branches.
If you look at the 3 largest haplogroups per country, you can get an order by genetic similarity - which coincides with historical/political maps and unions throughout centuries. The crazy part is that some of these borders exist still to this day (in a way) - which just shows how deep the divisions in the Balkans are!
*Formerly part of Austria-Hungary/Members of EU today*
- Hungarians:
R1a: 26%
I2a: 20%
R1b: 19%
- Slovenes:
R1a: 35%
I2a: 20%
R1b: 16%
- Croats:
I2a: 38%
R1a: 25%
R1b: 10%
----------------------------------
*Formerly occupied by the Ottoman Empire for centuries/are not members of EU*
- Bosnians:
I2a: 45%
E3b: 15%
R1a: 15%
- Serbs:
I2a: 28%
E3b: 20%
R1a: 15%
- Macedonians:
I2a: 20%
E3b: 20%
J2: 16%
(A lot of R1a too: 13%)
---------------------------------
*Formerly occupied by the Ottoman Empire for centuries/Members of EU today*
- Bulgarians:
I2a: 22%
E3b: 20%
R1a: 18%
- Romanians:
I2a: 20%
R1a: 20%
E3b: 19%
(A lot J2 too: 16%)
---------------------------------
*Formerly the heart of the Ottoman Empire + occupied:*
- Turkey (*is not EU member*):
J2: 30%
E3b: 24%
R1b: 16%
- Greeks (*EU member*):
E3b: 25%
J2: 20%
R1b: 15%
- Albanians (*is not EU member*):
E3b: 35%
J2: 25%
R1b: 18%
Honestly genetics in the Balkans and Europe are a super fascinating subject! The only thing I wonder about in these listings is the Hungarian one, as from what I've seen Hungarians typically have much less I2a, and are typically mostly R1a, R1b and E3b
@@thatstorm_spectre The data I posted averages out 20 different studies. In some of these studies the results are a bit different. Specifically for Hungarians, I have seen numbers where I2a is as low as 16% and R1b is sometimes higher than that. So, you could be right if you looked at just 1 specific study. But there is no doubt I2a is still very large in Hungarian population, and this isn't strange at all if you look at Hungarian history and Ottoman invasions which pushed a lot of South Slavs (who have the largest percentages of I2a) northwards.
Also, Hungary was in a political union with some of these countries for numerous centuries and their influence can even be seen in some very common Hungarian surnames today - such as Horváth (which is most likely a variation on the word Hrvat/Croat).
Romanians are the most native balkaners! Native scitzophrenic balkaner blood!!!!
My Russian friend just took a DNA test. As soon as he gets the results back I'll make a video about it. I also maybe wanna show off my results ;)
@@thatstorm_spectre why do you lie about origin of Albanians? They have least of European DNA and their language is mostly similar to one in caucasia
What makes you think not Albanians? Albanians and Romanians have words in common.
@@pavlekovacevic1676Why do you have to spread Serbian propaganda?
@@snoopyportfolio2072 yes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian%E2%80%93Eastern_Romance_linguistic_parallels
Bosnians didnt come in to existance with Islam. Moreover your assesment that Bosnia simply is a fractured part of serbia is wrong as it was consistantly closer to the hungarian and croatian sphere of influence than the serbian one having its own political development with a culture seperate from its neighbours. Namely the main evidence for this is its authentic bosnian church which was neither catholic nor orthodox, a seperate script and a unique culture combining slavic, pannonian and romance cultural influences.
He's wrong on a lot of things, like saying Albanians have anything to do with Illyrians, but saying that Bosnians as a national identity comes into existence with Islam is correct. The thing is, Bosnia did exist as a country and had a different religious life than it's neighbours, yet if you look at oldest and medieval Bosnian documents, the people of Bosnia are called Serbs and Herzegs(real Croatians) officially. I understand that it's not something people in Bosnia like to hear today because they based their modern identity on Islam yet that's just history. Bosnia as a country existed. Bosnians as a nationality, not until recently
@@belivuk2526 nationality wasn't a thing back then modern concept of nationality was created in XIX century
@@belivuk2526 Albanians have everything to do with illyrians even the name have Real meaning and its in use every day at least katolik Albanians…
@@belivuk2526 but serbs think they Are from carpat and Are all muslims hahah dont even now shit about Arbanasi in Croatia Arvaniti in Greece Arbareshe in south itali they Are all albanians katolik and ortodox. but stupit serbs think they build all the monesterys and fight the war of Kosovo alone while claiming albanian history and Heroes as they own
@@pranvera5394 Illyrian is just a Romanised name for what Greeks called Thracian. The people Greeks called Thracians had names for themselves, among them, Thracian tribe of Triballi called themselves Serbs. This is also backed by some non Greek historians of antiquity. Later on in the middle ages, Latinised Catholic spehere such as HRO, later Germany and AH refer to Serbia as Illyricum and Serbian empire as Magnum Illyricum. They also refer to several other groups of Slavs such as Bosnian and Montenegrin as Illyrian as well. It's referenced all through history by historians from Europe and Turkic historians. That's just more proof that it's simply a Latin name for Slavs, at least the south ones that Romans knew of. Even the supposed "Ilyrian writings" I have seen floating around used as proof by Alabanians are actually Slavic Glagolitic, a predecessor of Old Church Slavonic. Truly, it is labeled as Illyrian writting in the western books, but remember, westerners applied that name to Slavs, starting with Rome so it makes sense why they've labeled Slavic writing as Illyrian.
The whole thing about Albanians having anything to do with Illyrians was started during 80s in an attempt to build some sort of national identity and pride when attempts started at crafting the fake history of ancient Albanians. The only Albanians with deep roots in the Balkans are Arbanas which held several villages in what's nowadays central Albania when they were 1st even mentioned.
There's a possibility that Arbanas are linked to Troyans, looking at the meaning of the word, the haplotype, taking into consideration how different they look and talk. But Troyans came to Balkans later than Thracians, in fact, were allowed to settle there by their Thracian allies after Troy fell to Hellenic tribes. The only link that Albanians have to Illyrians aka. Thracian aka. Slavs is through mixing with us, but that was, again, mostly the case with original Arbanas, not the later settled Turkic and Arab people who came as mercenaries and who's ancestors now call themselves Albanians
This video is really good! Hope you make more like it,
Will definitely sub.
all south slavs are one ethnicity, we have the same culture and language... for the most part.
Not really
All except Bulgarians, Bulgarians are originally Turkic. Others differ with culture due to religion
no they're not
@@belivuk2526 only bulgarians ruling dynasty was turkic, population was always slavic.
This can be for the Serbs-Croats-Montenegrins-Bosniaks as "one ethnicity/same culture/language". Macedonians, Bulgarians & especially Slovenes are different.
just to clear up the smoke, serbia was mostly orthodox because Stefan Nemanja converted from Catholicism into Orthodoxy
Another Top 1000 subscriber here.
I THOUGHT I WILL HATE THIS VIDEO BUT I LOVED IT!
W Channel
this is really good how do u not have 1k subscribers
If Macedonians are just Serbianised Bulgarian then that would make them their own ethnic group.
No doubt these former Bulgarians have now formed a new ethnic group after their particular historic journey - albeit a precarious one. They would be served best by accepting the reality of how their group was formed and by dropping some of their more ridiculous claims.
I macedoni del nord non c'entrano nulla con il vero popolo macedone
@GeoBBB123 I think my country Bulgaria knows history, not like North Macedonia. They hate us without any reason
Where the Albanians came from has always been a mystery to me.
Exactly where they are today. Descendants of the illyrians
Albanians are mix of Greeks,Serbs and Turks they are not illyrians they are not even white
@@John_Marstonm 😂😂😂 ok gypsy got it. Explain our language then as a first question
@@John_Marstonmthe first Europeans werent white so are they Turkish? no lol, go back to school kid and study
@@John_Marstonm what is bro saying our languages doesnt even sound the same
What was Gura conspiring with Plato? Were they trying to convince the world that Atlantis was lost so they could be left alone? Jokes on Gura then, we got french fries, they got boring healthy food.
Also, a moment of silence for Macedonia getting the short end of the stick so many times.
He's probably teaching Gura the method to a cheeky chum
Amazing video!
Hmm great video
good video
Bosnia is Croatian land because bosniaks never existed until 1992 they were always called croatians and all ruling families of bosnia were croats. Kotromanić,Šubić,Boričevič...
Bosnians converted to Islam more easily than other Slavs because their Bosnian Church was considered heretical by both Orthodox and Catholics.
What a load of crap. Croatia had a kingdom for less than 100 years. Meanwhile serbia had not only a long standing kingdom but also an empire. Did Serbs not exist in Bosnia? Why do Croats have serb last names? Bosnia is more serb than jt was ever Croat
@@b1gnutt
What are those Serbian surnames, if Serbia only shared surnames in 1853?.....google Srpko Lestaric
Bosniaks never existed until 1992? So in 1992 they suddenly materialize themselves in existence? I can only imagine how spectacular that was, people start to appear from nothing.
@@b1gnutt Croatia were a kingdom in the 9th century. The first Serbian Kingdom was formed the in 1217.
You forgot the part that Huns, Avars, Pechenegs, Cumans and later the Great Horde have ruled parts of the Balkans.
Yea they were all there, but none of them are ethnic groups which still exist in the Balkans today, so they weren't the topic of the video, I mention them more in the history of Romania video tho
Damn the first ballkan video explaining the ballkans without propaganda. I am impressed
A new video!!!(🇭🇺or as a true hungarian would say fúj román).but i really looked for a balkan history video and you have the perfect personality for this in my opinion.
thanks for explaining this trainwreck of a region
Hungarians are also Turkic-Ural/Altaic and immigrated westward with the conquests of Attila
The Altaic connection is a very sketchy connection that is mostly not followed anymore in modern linguistics. Meanwhile it's not possible for us to know if some Hungarians also followed Attila westward during the Hunnic conquests. It's certainly a possibility and is one of the founding myths / theories regarding the Szeklers, but there just dont exist sources to tell us about any substantial numbers of Magyars coming with Atilla. We know the vast majority of them arrived in the 800s ish when the settled initially in Etelköz which is to the east of the Carpathians. But after the Pechenegs raided them they migrated further west into the Pannonian Plains
One minor correction, it wasn't the Bulgarians who created the Cyrillic alphabet. The king of Moravia requested that Constantinople send missionaries to help evangelize his subjects and it sent two brothers, Cyril and Methodius. Funnily enough, the Moravians were Catholic but the king wanted to keep Rome's and the Franks' influence at bay. However, to counter this move by the Moravians, Rome made the two brothers Catholic priests (and later Methodius was made the archbishop of Moravia) despite them being Orthodox. However however, Rome opposed the use of the Cyrillic liturgy and after the brothers' death, their students were forced to leave Moravia for Slavic lands under Orthodox rule. This is the reason why despite Cyrillic language starting out in Moravia (present day Czechia btw), they still use the Latin alphabet.
I honestly believe Cyril's and Methodius's story is one of the most underrated stories in European history and in no way does it deserve a mere mention in passing while discussing the history of the Slavs.
Cyril and Methodius created Gagolitic script. Their students moved to Bulgaria and created the Cyrillic script in Preslav Literary School.
Nope they didnt make the Cyrillic they made the Glagolitic script in Moravia .Cyrillic was made in Preslav (bulgaria).So yea bulgarians did made the Cyrillic alphabet
Please research before commenting. The Saints Cyril and Methodius created Glagolithic, not Cyrillic. Glagolithic was meant for translation of Biblical texts, language standardisation, and government purposes, for the conversion of the Slavs, specifically those of Greater Moravia. The Glagolithic script then spread the Moravia to the Balkans, with Croatia keeping the script for the longest. After St St Cyril and Methodius' deaths, a new leader would come to rule, undoing the Saints' reforms and expelling their disciples out of Moravia.
The Five major students of Saints Cyril and Methodius were Bulgarian, and after their banishment, they'd return to Bulgaria. First, they'd stop at Serbia, as legend goes, the Serbian king knew the situation Bulgaria was in (read another comment I wrote, or ask if you'd like to know more), so aided their journey to Bulgaria.
Knyaz Boris of Bulgaria (which had been in a very bad situation at that point) welcomed the Five Bulgarian Disciples with open arms, and let them aid conversion to Christianity.
Knyaz Boris opened two schools in the Bulgarian Empire for the Students, one in Ohrid and one in Preslav.
There, Knyaz Boris would commission to the Students, either to student St Climent of Ohrid, or more likely to St Naom and the Students at Preslav, the creation of the Cyrillic alphabet and standardisation of the Bulgarian language.
This would build the foundations of the Bulgarian Golden Age, and the Cyrillic script would spread across the Orthodox realm as Bulgaria grew, even to Russia and Ukriane (Kievan Rus'), which would accept Cyrillic missionaries from Bulgaria.
Amazing work man,though one thing I feel I should add is the fact that the Bessarabian bulgarians only came there in the late 14th-early 15th century in order to escape the Ottoman conquest so they can't really support your theory about the gagauz(and also there was a separate population within Bulgaria proper that identified as old bulgarians up until the end of the 19th century)
Yea the Bulgarians and Gagauz went to Bessarabia much later, although I didn't know that old Bulgars continued existing up to the 19th century. Honestly the old Bulgars are fascinating and I hope to talk about them more at some point in the future 😁
🇬🇷🇦🇱🇷🇴🔱 we were the first here
THE BALKANS!
Living Ironically in Europe moment
Excellent video, although i don't think the Gagauz are old Bulgar remnants. They speak an Oghuz dialect(like Turks, Turkmens and Azerbaijanis). Pechenegs were also Oghuz aswell but it is recorded that most of them migrated to Hungary and assimilated there when Cumans took their lands.
It's pretty shocking to find out that Albanian is 60% latin. I thought the language was relatively unscathed, or maybe they might have tried to remove foreign words like how Romanian removed slavic words its own vocabulary.
It's shocking, because it's total bs...
Means nothing, even english have 60% latin words but is a germanic language not latin.
Anime dude, Bosnia was first mentioned in the 1st AD as the Bossania/Boseni, and the Bosnian kingdom was not Serb because of what I just said, the Bosniaks identity predates the second Slav migration into Balkans.
Ngl I think "Anime Dude" is my favorite nickname I've received on here 😁
And yes, I misspoke in the video, I'm honestly not sure what I was trying to say, because even pre Islam the Bosnians had their own church so very obviously were seperate from the Serbs.
This was an oops, and I hope to correct it with a Bosnian video at some point. Maybe a part 2 because the N. Macedonians aren't happy either lol
@@thatstorm_spectre it's all good Anime dude 😎
C (first settlers?) , E (Egyptians, Berberics) , F, G (Caucasians) haplos were chamitic, I (nordic and Balkanics) J (Anatolians) were semitic, N (Finno) , R (Gauls, Slavs, Balts, Iranians) were Japhetic.
Genetics do disagree. We cannot just assume a nations origin simply based on langauge family as there were assimilations. For example south slavs and romanians are more repated to each other than south slavs are to actual slavs or romanians to actual romans in italy.
Many of the slavs are descendants of pre slavic peoples. You mention the bulgarians as both slavs and descendants of turkic bulgars because of name. Yet don’t mention their thracian ancestry as well.
Albanians are mostly descendants of illyrians but not fully and most of that is the southers illyrians whereas the northern ones are in fact the ancestors of slavs there.
Also Im sure many modern turks are not just greeks and slavs and celts who adopted turkic culture but also old anatolians like hittites and probably more related to armenians and kurds than they would like to admit.
Hungarians are not just uralics and nomad people they have very Central European looks and probably part slavic. Their dna suggests so too.
The North Macedonians thing is a topic for another day. Lets just say their DNA is more similar to greeks than to russians ukrianians or poles.
Most of the North illyrians relocated to different areas. Roughly more than 60% of south Slavic genetics are well Slavic related the Serbs only could be of paleo balkan DNA is if they mixed with the proto Albanians
just wanted to say latin language is 2.500 yrs old
whilst albanian is 9000 yrs old i mean its clear that latin language is influenced by illyric
Illyrian language wasnt a written language - there is nothing in written evidence by Illyrians
Everything we knows is according ancient Greek authors bcs Greeks named this region Illyria and people Illyrians
Half planet based on Greek writing system and alphabet: Latin Cyrillic
This is the same response I've already provided:
I've heard this before but it's firstly not entirely true and second not how languages work.
Albanian is not 9000 years old, it's true that forms of Paleo Balkan are upwards of 6000 years old but that's not Albanian specifically, it was older languages that evolved ingo the Albanian we recognize today. Meanwhile Latin is not 2700 years old, while the Roman state was created around 2700 years ago, Latin as the language that we recognize it as was created only around the second century BC, but of course it simply evolved from earlier forms of Latin which evolved from proto Latin which evolved from proto Italic and so on and so forth, so the same argument that makes Albanian 6000 years old can be used to say Latin is 6000 years old.
But even if we say Albanian is older than Latin, it doesn't alter the fact that Albanian is comprised of a lot of Latin words, and it's not because Albanian came from Latin or anything, it's because Latin was forced onto the Albanians through the domination of the Roman Empire. This linguistic domination is evident all over Europe as the Gauls, Dacians, Iberians, Etruscans and more all completely lost their native languages and took on Latin as their language with only certain words or grammatical structures living on. Meanwhile the Albanians miraculously managed to hold on the language with only certain words and grammatical structures being from Latin. It's nothing to be ashamed of that your language has Latin influence, it's evidence that you managed to hold onto your culture and language even through the Romans. Something only you, the Basques and the Welsh can say.
@@thatstorm_spectre No I think Albanian is around 8500 yrs old
@@thatstorm_spectre en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Albanians#:~:text=Albanian%20is%20an%20Indo%2DEuropean,European%20migrations%20in%20the%20region.
Older than Greek Egyptian and Sanskrit it's either 8000 or 9000 years.
@@Shift-l6v yeaaaa that article says absolutely nothing to back that up. Albanian as the language we recognize it today is about 1000 years old, in it's earlier Illyrian form before the Roman Empire maybe 3000 years, about the same as Latin, from then on you're getting into a Language which is less and less Albanian, as the article calls it Proto Albanian and before that Pre-Proto Albanian, but these wordings are pretty ubsurd. This would be like calling Italo-Celtic languages prior to the Celtic Itallic split Pre-Proto Romanian because Romanian is a Romance language which devolved from the Italo-Celtic languages so why not call it all Romanian? Then Romanian must be 9000 years old. You see how this logic doesn't make sense?
Albanian is a very unique language, the only one of its Indo European branch which has survived and only 1 of 2 Paleo Balkan languages to live to the modern day along with Greek. For that you have much to be proud of. But older than Sanskrit or Egyptian Albanian is not.
Could you put up your sources idk anything about this so i havenothing to base it off other than your vids
Sources? pfff What would be the point? In a vid about the Balkans it would only embolden people to start a war. Trust me while the video is succinct, it is mostly true.
I recommend watching Schwerpunkt to learn more. It's certainly not for the faint of heart but his videos are super scholarly and in depth 😁
Finally someone spends time to speak accurately about the history of the Balkans.(Also:Are there still people who don't know Macedonian Empire was Greek?)
Love from Kosovo
So, Serbia?
@@notfunky9013 Nope, you can come and check it out for yourself!
Many Bulgarians must watch this video me Bulgarian Turk ❤❤❤❤❤
Even wikipedia says the connection between albanians and illyrians is completely unknown, only albanians claim that
Illyrians = 100% Albanian.
You are turk.
@@maskinisten019 interesting, source?
@@christos3280Albania its an illyrian name from Albanoi tribe.
Albanians are discendent from paleo balkan tribes and speak a paleo-balkan language like illyrians
No its not true, he says that Albanian its illyrian like messapic
in italy this is what we learn in schools about the Albanians that they are the sucessors of some illyrian tribes like Albanoi, Taulanti, Dardani etc
in Albania the national hero is Dracula guy who fought against the Muslims
you mean Vlad? If so he was Romanian. The albanian national hero is Skanderbeg, who pretty much did the same thing
Dracula wtf?? in Albania the national hero is Skanderbeg and no other European country or population has ever slapped the Ottomans like the Albanians did under the leadership of Scanderbeg...However, Dracula cannot be compared with Skanderbeg which is one of the best generals in the history of humanity
Vlad dracula was in Romania
@@Illyrianluftëtar Transylvania at that time was part of Hungary not romania
@@yllka_yea 😂😂😂
The Macedonians are indisputably very confused Bulgarians( its not ''Balkan hatred''). They have Greek history which is where the regions name probably came from but now a days and since about the year 1000, they are ethnically Bulgarian.
No the makedonians are greeks, not slavs. The skopjans are bulgarians and they are not makedonians. They have no Greek history.
@@TheHunterOfYharnamThe Macedonians were never Greek. The Greeks came in the 19th Century, while the Macedonians came 1000 Years before that! Their Language isn't even similar to the Ancient Macedonian Language. It's funny how you call us other names because you don't know the truth, but once you grow up and start reading history books you will see everything will change!
@@TheHunterOfYharnamAlso what proof do you have of us being Bulgarians? Nothing! Exactly! So stop yapping and actually start learning some history instead of believing in Propaganda your people have taught you!
@@StrumicaMapperyou are slavs, you speak bulgarian, all ethnographic maps show you as bulgarians from older dates
and lastly there is no makedonian ethnicity in ottoman accounts there are only greeks turks and bulgarians
what propaganda?? you are bathed in probaganda, born from it, its even in your blood.
@@TheHunterOfYharnam Yes, we are Slavs. As the ancient Macedonians were. What do you mean by “you speak Bulgarian”? We literally have a whole different Language. Also ethnographic maps before 1912 say there were Macedonians in the region of Macedonia. You literally don't have ANY proof at all. So it's better for you to stop spreading propaganda before you get embarrassed😂
🇲🇩🇷🇴❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Frați pentru totdeauna
Serbians want Bosnia to be their land but its not never was. And I am German not Bossnian.
Open history book
Serbians want also Japan,Micronesia,Alaska,Paraguay and maaaaany more to be their land.They are very strange turkic tribe
I have a feeling that this guy lives ironically in Europe.
Super!
you make such good content!
What script was the Gothic Bible translated into, which is currently in Sweden? What language is the script? many hiden info ...
Thanks! Now I understand that everyone was hellenised, then latinized, then slavified, later bulgarized, then hunnified, then osmanized and lastly cold warified. But at the end of the day all the balkan belongs to Kosovo.
Buraz šta da ti kažem, pod hitno da kreneš sa svojim obrazovanjem a da počneš od toga da pročitaš Seobe, Miloša Crnjanskog.
Very interesting
The Gagauz ethnonym suggests Cox/Kavkaz/Kayig/Kevi/Kubiar a.k.a. Khakkas/Kyrgyz descent. The Kevi were a core tribe of the European Huns and later the Kubiar a core tribe of the Bulgars. Kiev is named after them but the different tribes likely spoke different languages so the Chuwash=Choban=Suwar=Sabir (possibly from Xiao Yuezhi OR Xianbei) spoke Oghuric while many Euro Huns like the Kevi spoke Oghuzic as they seemingly had mixed with or were part of the Dingling tribes which were the majority of the right wing of the Xiongnu and later the Xianbei and Rouran empires. The European Huns (21 tribes ="21 guns") became part of the 40 Tiele (descended from Dingling) in the 500's I think although what if anything the dominant Avars had to do with that process is unclear to me.
You are so underrated! I wish I could do more than just like share and subscribe. As a Hungarian I also really appreciate the music choice.
GREAT VID MATE, NO BIAS STRAIGHT FACTS
gagaus are,from bulgarian federation of Old Bulgaria probably,лангуадге ис нот цритериа,you are right,as many other tribes,so bulgarians,are mix of all horse tribes between Black and Caspian seas,hunnic,gothic,scytho-sarmatians and,from Balkans,slavs and thracians,under Dulo clan,enemy of Ashina,and hungarians are probably onoguri,another bulgar tribe.In bulgarian name is Ungaria,not Hungary,Bulgaria and Ungaria.And Bulgaria give all,alfabet,clergy,literacy,old church slavonic is just old bulgarian,to slavic peoples.She is for slavic peoples,as romans for latin speackers .You can check if not believe me hihihi Healt and happynes for all :)
Budget LIIE...
I like this
Great video,but i have to point out that slovenes migrated to the balkans before croats meaning it would be impossible for the croats to mix with the poles
Thank you!
As for the Slovenians, I guess it depends on what you mean by Slovenian, because the Croats came in the 600s and mixed with some of the Western Slavs, that probably came from Moravia. So if you consider Slovenes the result of a mixture between Western and South Slavic people (which was what I worked with) then they were established as an ethnic group following this event. But if you consider the Slovenes to just be west slavs that were heavily influenced by the south slavs then the Slovenes were already there and just influenced by the Croats. Also I just used Poland as a stand in for "Western Slavs" but Czechia or a Moravia ball would have been more accurate. 😁
Do you have a discord server?
Afraid not, I might make one at some point but not yet. Can't risk bringing the Balkaners together
Wikipedia level research
worse than that
i am bulgarian and i never known for the chuvash language
Btw all of us balkaners are a mix of acient neolithic farmers and indo-europeans as an origin of illiryans, thracians, hellens, italics and slavs... . Albanian have only 15-20% latin vocabulary, if it would have been 60% would have been a latin language, regardless like from Dacia Malvensis or better said Craiova.😂
I'm sorry if I got it wrong, I've heard contradicting percentages but I heard 60% the most often. But even if it is 60%, Albanian is still a unique language and not Latin due to the underlying syntax being wholly unique 😁
@@thatstorm_spectre My understading of the situation with Albanian and Latin is that it's similar to how English has 2/3rds French and Latin vocabulary if you count the whole dictionary, but daily speech tends to use more Germanic words.
@@Weirdeioluno, the root of english is germanic and the most important words or the most common used are germanic, while the overall vocabulary of english is latin but the words are not used too much.
@@thieph yes, what I said does not contradict your statement.
@@Weirdeiolu I read it fast.