You probably say that as a joke but as a kid I remember a boomer telling me how the ancient atlantis where Greeks and that another boomer who said that ancient Greeks had a war with ancient greeks was falsely saying they werent greeks. Apparently many years ago (100.000 before christ) there used to be a global greek civilisation with advanced technology (more advanced than todays) that was destroyed by a global civil war to the point that all humanity went back to stone age. Also the ancient greek gods existed in real life they were superhumans and used that technology
@@FilipCordas Really ??? since I just started learning about the Balkans, I know more about Greece, but I have never heard of Serbs and Croats relating to the Iranian people.
@@Eranshahr-Forever The western academic accepted version states that actually Serbs and Croats where distinct ethnic groups ever since the arrival of from the areas of Moravia. That means that Croats coming from White Croats settled into area that is basically todays Croatian borders and Serbs coming from White Serbs settled the aria of central Serbia. Except for the big cities that remained roman for a long time. There is almost no archeological evidence for any of it and genetics show a great mixing of the populations, there is only one written source for it but somehow any questioning of it is considered un scientific. I think the crazy theories come from the lack of evidence of what actually happened, and there is clearly politics involved in western versions because they tend to change the theory every time there are negotiations or border disputes.
@@Eranshahr-Forever you should watch acts 17 apologetics and pfander films and christian prince and cira international and soco films on RUclips and watch all the channels on RUclips eternal Persian 😀😀😀
I am Albanian myself and I have travelled all over Eastern Europe and in every single country, people assumed I was a native and spoke to me in their own language. We all look alike and have very similar traditions. I dont understand the point of genetic supremacy, there is none.
Cause you are a female. The whole thing is D size contest. Who is bigger than who? Who is more important? That's the reason. Its filled with so many lies ofcourse. For us on the Balkans it was outsiders ruining a lot of it. If not for A&H Serbia wouldve been happy with Bosnia and no issues bothering Albanians or taking land promised to Bulgaria. So no second Balkan war. The A&H and Ottomans wouldve been buried under the carpet by 1916. If only we had our own leaders. If we became a unified league by 1930s we wouldve been worth a mentioning and no1 would assume we easy picks.
@@thetalion8984 Racism is product of the British Empire trying to prove their race is superior to any other and destined to rule and exploit them. If you dig deeper you'll find that the Nazis were reading and copying British and American author.
Of course. Besides all Indo-European tribes came from somewhere long time ago, Middle East or somewhere else, does it Metter? And also when plp. start to make big deal out of genetics, well, we all know where that leads when we look at the history.
@Roza Huber there was a difference between them. The USA created those laws because of the plantation system and other factors. They needed the slace title to be transferred so that they do not lose what made them thrive. The Germans created the whole theory and book around thay still plagues our society to this very day. Not saying that the Americans aren't guilty but you can't compare them
''My people and country are superior'' - random Balkanite. Meanwhile his country was ravaged by war or corruption and the Balkanite is actually in Germany or Britain.
Sane like middle easterners on tik tok who say that they r superior mean while they stayed without food for 800 days just to beg the police to enter the eu border
The obsession with genetics and genealogy is a very prevalent phenomenon among Western Europeans too! Difference being, Westerners are interested in the their individual, family genealogy and Easterners are more into group or ethnic genetics.
Thats because socialists destroyed their heritage and reset their history and they are desperate to get it back. People think it doesn't matter but it does. People like to feel like they come from somewhere. And with the current Marxist hyper focusing on "indigenous" as the legitimate claimants to a particular region, its bexoming ever more important to stake that claim by proving you are "indigenous." That way you have defense against being uprooted by the influx of mass immigration. Whether that's good or not is irrelevant. It is this way and with constant and perpetual indoctrination it will continue to be this way. Theres much more to it than just "I am better than you because I am from a certain place." Marxists distill it down into "supremacy" or whatever so they can label it hate and use it as a cudgel. Fuck nazis. But fuck Marxists harder, and with a longer stick.
When you’re constantly colonized throughout the aeons by different kinds of bastards(the Ottoman Empire being the worst) is not surprising. This also the reason for the pan African and pan Arab movements started, but somehow it isn’t problematic to westerners since much marginalization and white guilt.
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Ok but the thing is, there's a region in Greece that's called Macedonia. We don't claim the country. Only bulgarian nationalists do that (with albanian nationalists claiming half of the country). A lot of people seem to confuse this. The name dispute was mainly caused due to how north macedonia used to call itself (it was called "FYROM", but the country called itself just Macedonia.) There can't be 2 Macedonia's. It is either a country or a greek region, which lots of historians seem to agree that Macedonia should only be a region and that North Macedonia should exclude the name Macedonia and rename itself with something else. So in other words, Greece has a region that's called Macedonia, and there's a country that used to call itself Macedonia. Greece didn't like that because that country was using the name of one of Greece's regions, so Greece blocked the country to join NATO and the EU until there was a solution to the problem. Take it as a copyright strike.
this is off topic, but i just wanna thank you for the burnt-in serb subtitles. my serbian is utter crap, i am trying to learn it as an adult and i feel like it is an excellent help in practice. great stuff, really.
@@BalkanOdyssey_ i also want to thank you for educating me about the Balkan region, as an outsider i basically just saw the balkans as a complete warzone when i was 13 when i first ran into this channel, to put it short you taught me alot man
@@BalkanOdyssey_ The thing is nationalism was hot topic when we were appearing on the map again. We were obviously downsized from what our ethnic borders could be. Top early to have empireal ambitions yet. There was a need to expand as that's nature either expand or die so the fact that u got millions of brothers and sisters under the feet of the Ottoman empire or A&H was a strong motivator for war. You got to know something tho. As we all came late we couldnt be fully independent. Romania, Bulgaria and Greece all had outsiders as monarchs. The second Balkan war which ruined the future of Bulgaria was started by the German monarch which we had. In ww1 both Greece and Romania had more interest to be in Entente camp against Germany but their monarchs were German so valuable time was wasted. Not trying to blame everything on the outsiders but they definately pulled the strings into their direction. What happent was a bunch of wars which were for no interest of the Balkan nations. Only the first Balkan war is worthy to mention that we did it for ourselves. Ww1 we werent unified again. Ofocurse my country Bulgaria due to the dipshit monarch causing last war had to be against its neighbours. I really like to imagine what ww1 wouldve looked with the Balkan league remaining. A&H and the Ottomans wouldve been absolutely done by 1916 just by Bulgaria not being on their side. Without second Balkan war that couldve been achieved. But nvm. That's how we think. We like to imagine a different history alt history if you wish cause it is a sweet fantasy. It's funny tho. We the powder keg of Europe? Wow while we were still barely rebelling against the Ottomans Europe was practising war as a sport.
Jovan Deretic’s work is being taken seriously? I laughed so hard 😂😂😂😂 his works are a subject of joking amongst people as he is fun as hell. He is the embodiment of pseudohistorian. A few people that are taking him seriously (less then 1 percent of population) are those who say Jesus was a Serb, and make bad reputation for Serbs by writing shit in comments online
It's really interesting that you mention that Serbian nationalists call the real history of Serbs (& other South Slavs) "Vienna school of history", as that's similar with what we have here in Hungary. Far-right nationalists often say that the Finno-Ugric theory, the theory that Hungarians migrated to the Carpathian Basin from the Ural mountains at the end of the 9th century (which is the officially accepted origin theory of Hungarians, and is what is being taught in Hungarian schools) is just "Habsburg propaganda" that was fed to Hungarians while Hungary was under Habsburg rule to discourage us from taking pride in our origins, thus making us less likely to rise up. They usually believe that we are somehow related to the Huns, and have been in Europe in the 5th century, etc...
Problem is he took the narrative that all nationalists in Serbia believe in Iliryan theory while it's only 14 year olds and delusional people that believe in that
@Нерад No skeletal remains with I2a haplogroup have been found from before the Slavic settlements. Ofc there are no cyrillic and serbian inscriptions, absolute imagination.
Another fantastic video! Nationalistism is also heavily rooted in our educational systems. Just reopened my high school history book a couple of months ago and needles to say the reductionism with which most events are portrayed is unmatched.
А эабелаэваш ли как нашите историци ни пишат историята така все едно ние вечно сме прави а съседите вечно виновни. Най вероятно и техните историци такива ги пишат. Едва ли има истории при тях че техните владетели са вэели да правят каквото и да е било в Македония преэ 1912 и 1913 че ние эа това да сме ги нападнали. Тъпия шваб как ни прецака Съюэа. Направи видео ъа алтернатива преэ която балканската лига се задържа стабилно ш няма втора Балканска война. Да видим как свършва първата световна. Според мен централните сили отиват на боклука до 1916та. Няма как Османците да иэдържат войната като столицата им е превэета. Това става эа 3 месеца. Все пак голям майтап е щяло да бъде да си върнат Одрин по честен път га ние сме там както трябва. Вярно че имат много повече войска но първо не могат да я съберат на време второ като от антантата чуят че влиэаме на тяхна страна те ще доставят и муниции и милион войници ако трябва.
@@Radioactivepaladin0703 Because all species, including humans, are hardwired with tribalism. So it was and so it will always be, the only people who think otherwise are a fraction of a fraction in the West, the rest of the planet are as racist, sexist and tribal as much as 19.century Europe, and that is normal.
I've actually had a DNA test. My results were 61.5% Greek and South Italian, 36.7% Balkan from Romania, and 1.8% Ashkenazi Jewish. I'm an ethnic Albanian from Macedonia. 100% Balkan
@@internet5076 no they are not hahah, they show precisely this to other Albanians. What's funny is that most Italians get Albania when doing whole genome sequencing. This is atleast what I've seen on eupedia and apricity forums
@@nonames9935 Mate do you think there's a flag hidden in your DNA? Most of the balkan is pretty much the same shit. You could abduct a baby from any of those countries, raise them in any of the other countries, and no one would know the kid was adopted.
Ilyrian theory can hardly be true for neither Albanians or Serbs as we know so little about Ilyrians as a people (if they were in one people even). But some theories are hella interesting and amusing when discussed by uneducated people.
I always thought Albanians could of came from Albanoi, which seems to be a tribe that occurs well after Rome conquered Illyria, maybe a illyrian tribe becaume latinized and formed the basis of the eventual albanian nation? I know theirs alot of latin loan words in albanian.
@@stefandusan9629 i'm Bosnian and i'm neutral but Albanians have 1000 year old church in Baku and in Nagorno Karabah so I would not say that they are natives on Balkan but what native even mean we are all natives we live here for long time but I think they were invited over there by tsar Dusan along with Armenians, my uncle is half Albanian and he has very dark skin colour even his half Bosnian too, while we Bosnians tend to be whiter and we look nothing like Slavs, I personally looked nordic when I was a kid and then my hair goes to dark to blonde and green eyes, funny thing that 86% people with green eyes have Gothic descendent and how I know Eastern Goths inhabited terittory of ex Yugoslavia, and seems a lot of people mix things up Slavs are not ethnic group we are linguistic group Bulgarians are Bulgars or Ukrainians are Hazars and not Russians as people say or Russians are Schytians who mixed with Finish and Nordic tribes, Slavic languages are actually church languages that were developed from greek and cyrilic alphabet is very similar to greek one so even our language was highly influenced by Greeks but seems people rather have myths about Slavic identity and it don't exist, one avarage Serb is closer to Greeks than to Russian in mentality and in looks, one Bosnian muslim is closer looking to Germans than to any other Slavic nation or regional nation to be real, when I was a kid I always thought Serbs tend to be German or Russian looking but as I grew up and got to know a lot of Serbs i've seen that only 2 out of 10 look like that maybe even less it's been a while I've seen serb with blue or green eyes, can't speak about Croats cuz I haven't met them and Macedonians tend to look Greek and Albanian too, Albanians that I met to be real all had curly hair and were of darker skin colour I don't know if everyone over there is similar to that I would say no but for sure 80% of Kosovo population tend to look darker than other Europeans
The main difference between Albanian and Serbian pseudohistorians is this: In Serbia, our academics, scientists, historians, archelogists, linguists etc. fight agains pseudoscience. We are aware how damaging that alternative history is to our culture and identity, but also reputation. Serbs have enough rich and fascinating history from early middle ages, all the way to modern times. We don't need fake stories about ancient "Serbian" civilizations, "Serbian" pyramides, and other nonsense. But on the other side, there are a lot Albanian historians, which are in academical institutions btw, who promote pseudohistory. They don't stop only with Illyrians (which itself is not strong theory, and isn't supported with enough evidence), but they go so far to claim Pelasgians, Troyans etc. Of course, this is more of a political purpose, than scientifical.
@@thanasisvoutsas461 Yes, it sounds hilarious, but it's claimed by Albanian academics, like Elena Kocaqi for example. She is btw professor in Durres university.
@loder Man Well look, Illyrians were here before Romans. They eventually got romanized when Romans conquered Balkans. Slavs came here from 5th-7th centuries and they assimilated one part of Illyrians, so technically we have "illyrian blood", which is not important for me, neither for bigger part of Serbs. However, Albanians are first mentioned in 11th century, and their language was mentioned first time in 13th century. We do not know their exact origins, where do they came from. Maybe in ethnogenesis of modern Albanians, more nations participated. Don't forget that many Slavs, Greeks and Vlachs were albanized because of Ottoman occupation. They surely aren't direct descendants of Illyrians, and it is funny to talk about Illyrian history as part of Albanian history...
We don't know much of anything about the Illyrians. It's quite probable they were never one people and it was just a term of convenience by Greeks and Romans using the name of one tribe to refer to the whole area for a variety of unknown ethnic groups and languages. The ancient Illyrians could have been more diverse and culturally distinct than even the modern Balkans, prior to Romanization. That means that for what little we do know about them, viewing them as a single homogenous ethnic group to descend from is the one thing that does not appear to be very Illyrian at all.
@@ermirdestani Probably not, but we don't know for certain. When the Greeks first mention Illyrians, the Slavic languages seem to only be a few centuries removed from sharing a common Balto-Slavic language with the Baltic languages and were probably spoken further North. The real question is rather Slavic speaking peoples "replaced" the people there (i.e. expelled or killed), or a Slavic ruling class caused an incentive for the people there (who probably saw themselves more as Roman than Illyrian at that point) to relatively quickly assimilate into Slavic language and culture. My internet armchair best guess is that were was probably more a rapid assimilation than a genocide of expulsion. For a parallel, it was once believed that Germanic Anglo-Saxons invaded and conquered all of England after arriving from Northern Germany/Southern Denmark, and either killed all the Celtic people or drove them to the Western corners Britain like Wales and Cornwall from the mid 400s A.D. onward. But it's now believed that Anglo-Saxons settlers and their direct descendants were never in large enough in number to "replace" Celtic Romano-Briton people, as it is believed that Anglo-Saxon settlers and their direct descendants were only about 10% of the population, but that that their presence as a ruling class resulted in a relatively quick assimilation (as in just a few generations) of Celtic people into Anglo Saxon language and culture. However, while I understand there's solid genetic, linguistic, and archaeological vidence for the 90/10 population split in England, I couldn't claim to know if Slavic people were in greater or lesser numbers than the people already there in the Balkans.
It was actually a rhetorical question, I just wanted to know your opinion. When you say "propably" it seems to me a madness for the way you think, when the Slavic invasions are well documented in the Byzantine records.
@@ermirdestani If I was unclear in what I meant, I apologize. I used the phrase "probably not" just to indicate that there's a lot we can't know. The whole Balto-Slavic comment was there to cast doubt that though there was likely many distinct peoples and language groups in the pre-Roman period that we will never know, it highly unlikely (but unknowable) if there was any sort of slavic or proto-slavic element. I thought that was the question you had asked, essentially. Obviously, as you state, there was a migration of Slavic speaking tribes in the Balkans in the Byzantine period. The cultural upheaval of that period is the genesis of the South Slavic peoples as we know them. But, the mystery is what happened to the Illyro-Romans, and personally, I think they assimilated in a relatively peaceful manner by the standards of the day, compared to say, what Europeans did to Indigenous people in North America.
What we know from Greek history is that there are 2 schools of thought. One of them is that Illyrian were Greek people. The other one is that Illyria got hellenized so early on we have no proof if they ever spoke another language. What is certain is that culturaly historically and religiously they were as Greek as the proto city-states. "Greeks are those who share in our education" At any time in recorded history an illyrian would be considered Greek. What were they before greeks settled there or hellenized? Who knows. I remember from history talking about the "Agean people" or something similar there were some local communities all over Greece of uknown origin before the settlement of doric and ionic tribes. What happen to them? Probably assimilated. Some claim they were parts of greek tribes settled there before the main ones. And we probably have some words in Greek deriving from their local one or their dialect. They used to say myceneans weren't Greek or some other tribe but they are now classified as Greek/Proto-Greek. My hypothesis is that the same thing might happen with the aegean people and who knows, maybe the illyrians one day. It's not insane to imagine all these people's that came from probably central europe were of the same tribes and could all be proto-greeks.
@@hristokolev6016 Thracian/Illiryan are about the same people, just different tribes, same with a sub tribe called Dacians, who inhabitted the northern serbia and a large part of romania
Since there are still people who're still spreading misinformation in regards to South Slavic genetics, let's make a few things as clear as possible. 1. According to the 2013 autosomal IBD survey "of recent genealogical ancestry over the past 3,000 years at a continental scale", the speakers of the Serbo-Croatian language share a very high number of common ancestors dated to the migration period approximately 1,500 years ago with Poland and Romania-Bulgaria cluster among others in Eastern Europe. It is concluded to be caused by the Slavic expansion, which was a vast population that expanded over a large geographic area, and that the aforementioned expansion is "highly coincident with the modern distribution of Slavic languages". 2. According to Kushniarevich et al. 2015, the Hellenthal et al. 2014 IBD analysis also found "multi-directional admixture events among East Europeans (both Slavic and non-Slavic), dated to around 1,000-1,600 YBP" which coincides with "the proposed time-frame for the Slavic expansion". The Slavic influence is "dated to 500-900 CE or a bit later with over 40-50% among Bulgarians, Romanians, and Hungarians". The 2015 IBD analysis found that the South Slavs have lower proximity to Greeks than East and West Slavs and that there's an "even patterns of IBD sharing among East-West Slavs-'inter-Slavic' populations (Hungarians, Romanians, and Gagauz)-and South Slavs, across an area of assumed historic movements of people including Slavs". The peak of shared IBD segments between South and East-West Slavs suggests a shared "Early Slavic ancestry". 3. According to a recent admixture analysis of Western Balkan, the South Slavs show a genetic uniformity. The modeled ancestral genetic component of Balto-Slavs among South Slavs was between 55-70%. The 2006 Y-DNA study results "suggest that the Slavic expansion started from the territory of present-day Ukraine, thus supporting the hypothesis that places the earliest known homeland of Slavs in the basin of the middle Dnieper". 4. According to most Y-DNA studies, the distribution, variance, and frequency of the Y-DNA haplogroups R1a and I2 and their subclades R-M558, R-M458, and I-CTS10228 among South Slavs are in correlation with the spreading of Slavic languages during the medieval Slavic expansion from Eastern Europe, most probably from the territory of present-day Ukraine and Southeastern Poland. In other words, South Slavs are still primarily Slavic in terms of genetics, specifically, Y-DNA and aDNA, stop LARPing as the people your Slavic forefathers have subjugated.
@Μαρίνα Σ according to this, most croats and serbs are not even balkanic, since most of them do not belong to the i2 haplogroup. haplogroups don't even define your ethnicity, since even martin luther was i2. do you consider martin luther a typical balkanite? also, a halogen is a special type of chemical element. Most people belonging to the i2 haplogroup are found in todays russia, with 10 %, which would be around 14 million people.
🇷🇴 I honestly agree a lot with most of what you say... As a Romanian I can see a lot of "victim" mentality through our population. As much as our history is a lot more based on facts there still is this problem about "autohtony". When our national "creation story" was coined there were 2 main theories, both extreme. The first was the vision of Austro-Hungarian elites who saw romanians as migrators into lands that were hungarian and German before. And the second, a counter response is that the romanisation of the province of dacia had a continuity untill the present, therefore Romanians have always, since the end of the ethnogenesis been on the same north danubian lands. This second theory is the one taught in schools and defended fiercely, as it is not necessarily derogatory to other peoples and is based on evidence. But I feel like it is not necessarily complete. New scholars that have abandoned all national "scopes" believe that such a big Romanian population couldn't exist without the addition of Latin speaking migrants from the balkans whose lands were occupied by the migration of the slavs. So there were Latin speakers north of the Danube, but they were also completed by others who came from the South. But this theory that combines both original theories in a way that is based on facts and logical narratives is not accepted because of the fact that it could still support that Transilvania is somehow "definetly hungarian". In Romania we are either all from here or came from who knows where :) no in between. There are also a lot of people that subscribe to this second theory, but they also see Romans as not the true ancestors. In there vision we are not Latin. Even tho we speak a version of Latin, have Latin traditions and collectively have always called ourselves Romans "citisens of Rome". No, for them we are Dacians, superior in comparison to all other nations. Some claim Roman culture was based on the Dacian one)))) that Dacians built Rome... This was mostly a theory that was highly praised in comunist times when our leader wanted to distance ourselves from the "imperialist brother nations of the west" as he called them :) If only they knew how many other people claim the same Dacian origin.... So yeah, România is really not much different from all the examples in your video.
When i heard someone say “the garden of Eden was in Macedonia”, i knew that something wasn’t right but didn’t take it serious until i heard more people repeat the stupidity.
We Slovenes also had to give an attempt at pseudoscience when it comes to genetics. -The Germanic theory is a very prevelent one today especially in the region of Styria (Štajerska/Штајерска), similar to the gothic theory it states that Slovenes have German or at least Germanic roots, this theory is on the surface more believable than the croatian one as there are many words that we use that are derived from german and then slavified (Fraj/Frei - Free; Cilj/Ziel - Goal; Žleht/Schlect - Evil....and many many more examples), and of course the meme of Slovenia, we say ja instead of da/да which is used in every slavic language except in Slovenia. I believe some Polish cities in Pomeriania and Schlesia use ja instead of da but most poles use da, while most Slovenes don't. -The Venetian theory, this one is a lot more wacky, it states that Slovenes are the direct descendents of the ancient Venetians, the people that sailed the entire mediteranian sea, established themselves in Istra, many greek island, Crimea and some coastal regions in Turkey and the levant. I honestly don't know how this one is justified, it's pretty common knowledge that Italy stole a lot of historically and ethnically Slovene land from us, the land collectiveley known as Furlanija or Fiume in Italian, maybe the venetian theory is just going over the board to pay back to those Italians idk XD Great video, love from Slovenija! CORRECTIONS: It would appear that many more slavs use words other than "da" for saying "yes". Poles, Czechs, Slovaks and Ukrainians seem to either use "ja" or "tak" for saying "yes". If I made more mistakes than please tell me.
Around 42% of Slovenia's Population speaks German. They're so obsessed with being Closer to the EU's Puppeteer that they're learning a new language over it.
@Zaid Diaz The term Austrian is actually quite confusing, reason being that Carinthia and Styria were lands settled by Slovenes that over time started speaking German, also there was a country called Carantania that was almost entirely positioned in modern day Austria yet we know that the main ethnic group were slavs, most likely the ones that became Slovenes but they didn't speak modern day Slovene, it is just assumed that what remained of Carantanians became Slovenes that were pushed southward to modern day Slovenia. Also that would explain the lingual transition from west slavic into Slovene into kajkavian (which is mostly serbo-croatian but has similarites to Slovene, most glaring example is saying "Kaj" instead of Šta/Шта, and then to Štokavian and Čakavian. Depends on how you look at the matter, either you believe Slovenes to be Germanised south slavs or you see southern Germans, Austrians as being mostly slavs that started speaking German, I've heard both of these explanations. Also Maria Theresia which was one of the most important Austrian rulers was supposedely Slovene.
@Zaid Diaz "Ja" means "I" in Serbo-Croatian..... But due to the Language's Grammar, the word "I" can be kicked out of day to day Speech. And, "Ja" can be re used. German is an Optional Subject in both of the Public School i went in. I live in Herzegovina, i went to Croat Schools because..... I am a croat by Ethnicity.
Okay, let me present you the Albanian perspective on this: 1. It is incredibly hard to prove Illyrian ancestry through language, as the Illyrian language doesn't seem to be attested. 2. In terms of linguistics, the only way to relate Albanian with Illyrian is by connecting dots (e.g. Greek loanwords that must have entered what today is Albanian in antiquity, the Latinization of the Albanian vocabulary [60 - 70% of the daily Albanian vocabulary is of Latin origin, and keep in mind that it's the Latin that was spoken by the Romans during their conquest of Illyria], which subsequently must have replaced a big amount of Greek loans) or by process of elimination (Dacian theory unlikely due to Albanians not speaking a Romance language, even though the Dacians were fully Latinized by the times of the supposed migration of Albanians southwards). 3. This approach doesn't hold up to scientific standards and therefore, unless a miracle happens and some kind of extensive inscription is found, the Illyrian origins of Albanians will never be proven (or disproven) beyond a reasonable doubt vià linguistics. 4. As shown before, the Illyrian theory "makes a lot of sense", but other factors raise doubts: the lack of indigenous words relating to the maritime lifestyle of the Illyrians (though others would say that not all Illyrians, especially the ones that didn't live along the coast, practiced piracy and that would explain the absence of such words, considering that the Illyrians most likely didn't see themselves as "one people", therefore, differences between Illyrians from the coasts, from the inland, from the north and from the south must have existed). So what is left? Genetics/genealogy. This is our only window in to the past, the only way to prove autochthony on the very lands Albanians inhabit, disproving every theory Albanians faced by their neighbors, especially by Serbia and their intellectual elite (for example the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts, SANU for short), that were used to deny the rights of Albanians to exist on certain parts of the Balkans or to even have a country of their own, by declaring them to be some kind of invader that were brought to the Balkans by the Turks, having the audacity to "occupy" Serbian soil. Many Albanians use this as some kind of weapon to declare themselves superior to their (Slavic) neighbors, but that is not how it's supposed to be, as we shouldn't strive to become what we've suffered under. It's merely a defense mechanism, helping Albanians to disarm any anti-Albanian rhetoric in regards to their right to simply live in their lands. Genes don't lie. The Y-DNA and autosomal DNA of Albanian corresponds with Illyrian samples found in different burial sites in BiH and Croatia. Their DNA corresponds with that of Greeks and by extent, Ancient Greeks. And again: This cannot and should not be used as an argument for the superiority of Albanians. This doesn't justify any claims. It's just a beautiful peek into the past. Being "proud" of your ancestry is okay, but don't use it in order to dehumanize your neighbors, as in the end of the day, me being of Illyrian ancestry doesn't get me any privileges, doesn't put food on my table and doesn't put money into my pocket. I'd rather we Albanians - actually all of the Balkans - would compete for economic, societal and intellectual "superiority". We are all plagued by corruption, economic instability and mass emigration of educated young people (an absolute brain drain)... so how's anyone superior, really? Two Balkanites arguing about who's superior is like two homeless people arguing about who's got the better cardboard box to sleep in, while standing in front of a villa.
@@antoniochiodi4183 The study is called "A genomic history of southeastern europe" and it mentions that haplogroups r1b, j2b and e1b1 were prevelant among bronze age individuals from Bosnia, Croatia and other former Yugoslav territories.
@@antoniochiodi4183 Not about whether its likely or not, analysis on bodies from that time period and area shows that they were predominant in the region. There is also no such thing as a homogenous haplogroup in a region, since there will always be multiple genomes representing an area. Therefore, one group alone can't define a people from a region. Also, the genome I2a1a2b, aka the "Dinaric" group, does not originate in the Balkans but likely somewhere in the West part of Ukraine.
Linguists have said that, compared to Greek and Latin, Albanian language it's very old. It looks like we have a lot of Latin, since it was created by mostly Illyro/Pellasgian language, which Albanian has preserved most of it in it's originality.
I can't understand us Balkans, we're the same, and we fight with each other. Let's order these theories that we are the oldest people, and that the whole world is ours. All the praise for the video you deserve and more than this success
Run by outsiders. That is the issue. We were too late to be independent so when we became independent from the Ottomans it was a joke. Romania, Bulgaria and Greece all had German or Astro German monarchs. Romania was to act against its interests of A&H held Transylvania, Bulgaria in second Balkan war attacked cause the German monarch wanted so and Greece wasted ww1 opportunity due to internal crap involved with the king. You see if we were a unified league and no second Balkan war and Bulgaria on entente side the central powers wouldve been buried under the carpet by 1916. That is all due to the fact that in real history the A&H and Ottomans both got lucky Bulgaria joined their side. Otherwise joining Entente couldve ment quickly amassing a 1m force of entente troops in front of the Ottoman capital. It be surrounded and dealt with within 3 months as the entente forces got far superior navy too. Rest of Ottoman territory can be collected later as it wont posses the ability to do shit within 6 months of ww1. A&H not only wont be able to conquer Serbia but the hundreds of thousands of French and British troops be reaching the frontline and will be supported by another force of hundreds of thousands Bulgarian soldiers and they ms hold it. But what happens when the troops from the Ottoman theatre of war turn north? Be getting smashed into peaces. Wow Romania wont be getting conquered in this alt history either. Imagine how the Balkan league may look by 1935. The third Reich wont be doing whatever they like with Yugoslavia and Greece. Italy wont bother to even step in. Too talentless in war
LOL, do you think Scots, English and Irish get along without problems? Do you think the Scandinavian's don't fight each other? How about Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Poland? Belgium, Spain and even Italy have separatist movements because they see themselves as separate groups crammed into the same borders. EVERYONE is tribal, so it has always been and so it will always be. The only thing that forces people to ignore differences is a common enemy that threatens them from outside, the moment that enemy disappears, peoples splinter as we have seen from the USA since the collapse of the USSR. Suddenly there are Irish-Americans, Mexican-Americans, Somali--Americans, German-Americans etc and so on it splinters until the whole country finally balkanizes.
We dont fight to Much only sum Countrys like Bulgaria and Macedonia might argue but thats about it same with Greece Croatia and slovenia have good relations Croatia and Bosnia dont fight Croatia and Serbia were fighting but now they are calm bosnia with croatia is good with slvenia is good with montenegro and Albania is good with serbia is not Good Serbia doesnt like Bosnia kosovo Albania and croatia also likes to claim kosovo and montenegro Romania has good relations with everyone appart from kosovo withc it doesnt recognise Greece has good relations with Serbia And all balkans in General they just dont recognise kosovo Montenegro is 50/50 North macedonia with Albania have good relations even if they fought albanian seperatist
You missed the theory about Bosniak Illyrian origin, coupled with an idea that Serbian and Croatian languages originated from Bosnian, which would make all the Slavic languages Illyrian in origin.
You could say that Slavic languages are influenced by the Illyrian, but you can never say that Slavic language is Illyrian. Southern Slavic languages can be traced to modern day Ukraine.
@xNAJAFx a lot of them lolz infact there isnt an existing illyrian language and never existed. it can all be traced back to protoslavic and the opposite.
well its hard to say but the problem is that Illyrians didn't just spawn on Balkan they also migrated here only a few thousand years before slavs that also came from the territory of Poland Ukraine and Russia so for that territory to be to that would have to mean that slavs went from Adriatic coast of Dalmatia all the way to Russia
@xNAJAFx most of the theory about Illyrians is just that, a theory. We don't really know who were Illyrians, what exact region they lived in, what tribes were related (Illyrian), what was Ilyrian language and etc.
I join the comments with praise for the entire not too long show. I see the informative sequence of events, I see the problems in the Balkans but I do not see how "Genetics" retaliates or helps people live better. Genetics is a scientific product, not a political or philosophical opinion. and a request for another show like this as a sequel to this topic.Pooozzz
Good analysis and video. But in the case of Montenegro, those people were considered Serbs for most of Serbian history since settling in the Balkan peninsula. And now many consider themselves both Serbs and Montenegrins. Another big chunk considers itself serbs. A very small minority (around 10% from what I have gathered) thinks that they're Montenegrins and that is separate from being a serb. The same way a Serb from Shumadia considers oneself both Serb and Shumadian, or a Serb from Bosnia both Bosnia and Serb. Those are simply regions on the peninsula. Or compared to ancient Greece, there were Athenians, Spartans, Corinthians etc., but they were all Greeks. Or the way ethnically Austrians are actually Germans. This modern creation of new nations (I say nations, not new states as the case Austria/Germany clearly shows that one nation can have two states) makes no sense, because if we go by the logic of borders defining and making new nations, then all of Germany should be divided in hundreds of small nations (just look at the map of the Holy Roman Empire). But no one today is calming that Bavarians are not Germans and are a separate nation, or that Cyprians are not Greeks.
Great video as always. It was a pleasure Can you make a video about Hungary too? It would be very interesting to see my home with your eyes! Thank you in advance!
It's not just video about genetics. It's stupidity and ultra nationalism behind it. And socialism and comunism are oposing these ideas. That's why comunism and socialism is only cure for this midlle age ideology ( i'm talking about nationalism ).
About the Albanian origin I never thought about it and i never care up untill I started hearing Serbs nationalists calling me an immigrant form caucasia This got me curious and i have been trying to understand the real origin of Albanian One of the main ways to study populations is by studying their languages, this is how we understood that Slavic, German, Latin, Iranian are all Indo-European languages and they all have the same origin in current day causaia Studies on the Albanian language point to the fact that Albanian is a proto-balcanic language It Albanian developed form Illyrian, Dancian, Thracian or another language spoken in the region that we have no recordings of Studying loanwords is a great way to understand how languages, people and tribes interacted with each other The "Handbook of Comparative and Historical Indo-European Linguistics" says: "It is a characteristic feature of the Albanian language to be open to loan-words from various sources. The oldest stratum is found in Ancient Greek loans, which result from contacts between Greeks and speakers of Proto-Albanian from about 600 BCE onward. Subsequent to the Roman occupation of the Balkans, Proto-Albanian was heavily influ- enced by Latin." This shows that Albanian developed from in the region Whether it developed form Illyrian, Thracian, Dancian or another undocumented language is very hard to tell since those languages didn't have written records There are some people that use the similarities between Messapic and Albanian to say Albanian is 100% an Illyrian language This is hard to tell, we don't have other Illyrian languages to compare Messapica to and we currently don't know that much Messapic itself, we don't even know for sure if it was an Illyrian tribe or not since There are also the Dardania or the Albanoi and Albanopolis mentioned by Ptolemy but it is hard to tell whether those are real connections or mere coincidence What is the Albanian origin? I don't know for sure I can only tell you that Albanian is a proto-balcanic language Descendent form Illyrian, Thracian, Dancian or another undocumented tribe Albanians are autochthonous to the region and the theories about Albanian migration are all false Being autochthonous don't give claims to lands tho We don't know where Albanians lived 2600 years ago or even 2000 years ago The Albanians were first mentioned in 1100 by Byzantine empire because they formed the Principality of Arbor This is the first time we see a clearly see where Albanians lived The fact that Albanians lived in this principality doesn't mean that there weren't Albanians outside of it So yeah it is hard to tell I don't like to use the Albanian autoctonicity argument to clam land "Saying it is rightfully ours" That is just another type of historical claim and i my option it doesn't really work well People currently living in a place should have the right to decide what they want If Albanian form Kosovo want to unite with Albanian Fine It Serbs form Kosovo want to unite with Serbia Fine at the end of the day we fought a war too because we didn't want to say with the and we should not force others too www.google.it/books/edition/Handbook_of_Comparative_and_Historical_I/SuR8DwAAQBAJ?hl=it&gbpv=1&dq=isbn:9783110542431&printsec=frontcover
Its very simple, the reason all claim ancient roots and genetics is provide justification for expanssion teritory claim. "We are the direct descendants of this ancient kingdom whos territory spanned half the globe, thus we should have claim to all these unjustly taken terrioties" Thats all there is to it.
Tons of respect to you! I love how your words narrate the problem, but the footage shows the beauty of all these countries. Hope is never too for Balkan people to finally understand they’re all brothers and sisters and embrace each other ❤
As Bosniak by father and Macedonian by mother,I decided to do DNA test by "iGENEA" and result is:"Ancient Germanic Peoples" and "Slavs" ... On my question to my Macedonian grandpa about "Germanic" DNA,he told me:"By your Bosniak father you have 'Germanic" DNA.They are "Goths" mixed with native people "Illiryans",so called "Slavs" by "Panslavists" ... Interesting
To any British person that has problems with the Croatian-Illyrian/Goth theory, what's your stance on British being descendants of Celts? Are you Celts native to the island, or are you descendants of Roman settlers, or maybe German through the Saxons? Or perhaps Norse through the Vikings and Anglo and Jut linage?
Not British, but the English see themselves as Anglo-Saxon. Welsh as celtic-roman, and Scots and Irish as celtic. Genetically English were the ones most conquered by Anglo Saxons (germanic blood), the Welsh and others resisted. When the Norman's came they also mostly ruled over English and they brought germanic blood which was the same thing when the Danes( germanic blood) came and established Dane law and Danegeld mostly on territory of England
The Albanians are been mentioned in 6AD from Stefan Byzant II when he arrived in Avalon ( today Vlore). And our name comes from an iliryan tribe in central Albania.
@@bujar414 it's not the same as the greeks ,hellenes comes from a myth in ancient greece the name hellene belonged to a king whose descendents are the greeks and the English name greek comes from the grekoi ,an ancient greek tribe
My 3rd comment but anyway, Serbs are on average almost 60 % of Slavic descent, the rest is Paleo-Balkan. And again, turns out that I2a indeed must be identified with the Slavic migrations from the 6th and 7th century, very uncommon haplogroup in Italy and no remains with I2a from Illyrians were found.
If we analyze the peoples who live in south balkans include(South Serbia Kosovo North Macedonia Montenegro Albania Greece Bullgaria Dobruja region in Romania and europian part of Turkey) by genetics most of them are descends of the peoples who lived in Balkans before Roman Invazion of Balkans include Illyrians Thracians and Hellens etc
My Croatian grandparents believed the Persian theory, it's so bizarre. For all this emphasis on Central Asian migrant origins, it's a tragic irony the Roma are still so vilified throughout the Balkans. I can empathise with how my illiterate peasant family would cling to these silly ideas, given that their education was denied them by protracted and brutal wars. On reflection I think it served a wide range of psychological purposes for them under the victim status umbrella. It aligned them with what they perceived as more tolerant and 'mystical' Shia and against the Sunni Ottoman occupiers, disavowed the Gothic theory promoted by the Ustase, the Slavic theory weaponised by Italy under Mussolini (my family is from Dalmatia), and a sentimentalised identification with Shah Pahlavi's Iran, since they had recently escaped a communist autocracy themselves. So much mental gymnastics is a result of generational trauma :(
Man, the Bulgarian one is just... First of all the Thracian theory is really old and in modern times it had been dismissed completely. But the genetic studies show that there is a large Eastern Mediterranean genetic footprint in Bulgarians. It's logical that when slavs arrived they assimilated the local peoples. In Bulgarian history is well known that in the begging of the Bulgarian kingdom different peoples were not intermixing and it took great effort to do that. First unified rule of law under Krum, one single religion under Boris I(christianity) and eventually the cultural reform that made Old Bulgarian(also known as Old Church Slavic) the official language of the state and church. The whole process lasted 3 centuries and and we all know that this is the time when the modern Bulgarian nation was created 7th-10th century. The Macedonian question has nothing to do with the thracians... It was about the unifications of the Bulgarian nation, look at it even linguistically Macedonian and Bulgarian languages have significant differences from the other Slavic ones. The capital of the Bulgarian tsardom was in Macedonia for a century, most people there in the 19th century were seeing themselves as Bulgarian e.t.c
And from Serbian perspective you can make also strong argument for relation with modern Macedonians. Center of power of several principalities was in Macedonia, capitol of Serbian Empire also was in Macedonia, language is related to archaic form of Serbian (and even today many Macedonians say that it is easier for them to understand Serbian than Bulgarian). Macedonians have custom of Slava which is not found among Bulgarians but is wide spread in Serbia and it is passed from generation to generation patrilineally etc. Truth is probably in between as situation is murky where ever ethic lines meet especially if those lines go back to medieval times when ideas of nationhood were bit different. In the end all Serb and Bulgarian arguments fall mute as Macedonians see them selves as separate ethnicity and that is what is important in the end.
@@drarsen33 it is easier nowadays for them because they were isolated from Bulgaria in the last several decades.Which was not the case after the liberation from Ottoman empire. I am from Sofia and ironically half of my friends there are Maceodinians also one friend from Dimitrovgrad - from each every one of them I have heard the same statement - that they understand easier Bulgarian and they are hardly understood by other nations in ex Yugoslavia includingly Serbians as they just speak differently - they simply speak Bulgarian language. For me and almost all of my Bulgarian speaking friends is the same - we have no issues with communicating with them, but suffer with all the rest languages there includingly Serbian. And the biggest fun comes when they come for EU passports - all of a sudden they all PROVE that their grandparents are actually Bulgarian.
@@Nikince How can the son be older than the father? No bulgar grandparents in macedonians, but many macedonian grandparents in bulgarians. Because they migrated from aegean and vardar macedonia after balkan wars in bulgaria. The name for modern bulgaria and bulgarians is from turkic tribes bulgars from asia. While the name for macedonians is from region of macedonia unchanged for millenia. Its all logic. Why no macedonians look for similarities/cousins outside of ethnic macedonia? While i've seen bulgarians looking for bulgars in ukraine, besarabia, volga/tatarstan region and similatiries with colors of flag green white and red with flags in asian places?
how is it possible that you have less than 1mil subscribers. this kind of material should be shared as much as posibble. at least to spark a bit of critical thinking through these people poisoned with separatism & nationalism. keep up with such content, good luck! 👍
Illyirans and Slavs is one people! My genetic is Serbian from Medun in Montenegro I2A. Migration of Slavs is not was, Slavs land is from Thessaloniki to river Lab and odra with Moscow!
13:13 Bosnia already had all that, and was historical state, like 1000 years ago. That man did not create Bosnia, nor was Bosnia created by breakup of Yugoslavia what you trying to say in this video.
One thing that is sure is that today's Bosniaks, in large part, were once Serbs and Croats who converted to Islam. On the other hand that was so long ago that they developed their own national identity. That's how all others nationalities get created. by separation and individual growth. Francs were germanic tribe. Key word, WERE.
It's literally the opposite, but go off dude. There's no such thing as a "bosniak". There are only bosnians, which came first, and serbs and croats came after them. But of course, bosnians love to participate in their own oppression and believe such lies.
Balkan is a complex place. In my opinion Croatians are the best while Serbians and Albanians are less appealing. I never really have got a good moment from them, very rude and arrogant meetings. They think they are best but still have an inferiority complex and get salty if you point out anything negative about them. Only few have been nice. I don't dislike them but i don't like them either.
I watched the video twice, I was surprised how much it catered to people who don't want to know anything. Genetics is quite an exact science and not easy to manipulate. Four nations have similar genetics (Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Macedonians - a mixture of Haplogroups I2 (35-50%), R1a (15-20%), R1b (5-10%), E (10-15%) and they are related to Bulgarians, Romanians and Hungarians. Albanians have different genetics, they are dominated by haplogroup E (35-50%), R1b (20%) , J (10-20%) and I2 (5-15%). Haplogroup I2 is originally European and is 35000 years old, Haplogroup E is originally African and the oldest found human with this haplogroup was found in Spain and dates back to 5000 BC. The oldest sample of haplogroup E found near the Balkans was found in Moldova and dates back to 2000 BC. Before the Romans, there is no E haplogroup in the Balkans, and the samples found during Roman rule are of African origin, probably soldiers or slaves.
A bit of advice, take it if you will. Love the videos and the factual statements often made in your videos. But if you are trying to Educate people you might want to chill with the "Bourgeoise Elite" and similar idioms , it gives the content an unnecessary political note, and can easily serve as a way for people to discredit and criticize the very valid and very accurate information portrayed in a lot of your videos. Not to sound combative, but it's the Deretic-ization :D of your personal view. Keep up the great work, rlly enjoying ur stuff.
Serbs being Illyrians is a joke that never gets old 🤣 What is the connection? I don't really see any despite trying hard to find evidences. Why can't serbs admit that albos are much more ancient in Balkans than them and highly likely to be illyrians? There's nothing wrong with that. For example turks know that they conquered their current lands and not only they don't deny that but they are actually proud. The thraco-illyrian theory for albanians can be backed up by similarity in words (not to be found in slavic languages) also in mythology and traditions that survive even up to this day. Slavic people came from beyound Carpathian mountains according to ancient historians. Albanians come from some Thraco-Illyrian tribes. Everyone is happy.
I am Bosnian ("Muslim" but most in family are secular) and took a dna test, turns out i don't have a drop of turk or middle eastern blood and am only 11% Slav. Im mostly regional Bosnian, dinaric alp Italian, and Croatian. My Bosnian relatives who are practicing Muslims don't want to believe these results. Very interesting and showcases how much of the Balkan is trying to claim some sort of identity while denying others theirs sometimes. Glad i found this channel.
You can't be ethnically muslim. Unlike being ethnically jewish (bc being jewish is both an ethnicity and religion) islam is only a religion. Islam just means you believe in an imaginary sky daddy named Allah and that's it. There's no gene that could tell you whether you're a muslim or not. Bosnians who self-identify as muslims are literally just actively participating in their own oppression. They've been fed a lie that they "must" have some turkish DNA (hint: they don't) by nationalistic serbs whose whole goal was to *other* them from their own slavic roots. Bosnians are genetically slavic, speak a slavic language (which I might add, their dialect resembles Ukrainian and Russian, aka protoslavic, way more than the serbian or croatian or montenegrin dialect), and their tradition is also slavic. And this is supported by science. There's a reason why every time a bosnian does a DNA test, it always tells them their roots are from other slavic countries, and never any middle eastern countries.
I'd advise you to stop participating in your own oppression and calling yourself "muslim" (even in quotation marks) because you're not. It's a lie that your oppressors want you to believe.
I laughed so hard when an Albanian said "Slavs are not indigenous on the Balkans". As if Balkan was an isolated island in the middle of an ocean, and not an barely peninsular corner of an relatively small continent. Absurdity. I love all people and see all Balkan people as my close relatives, my people, from the Greeks to the Slovenes. ❤ Love each other, Love thy neighbours.
You don't get the point, do you. Those exact things don't matter in relation to the material interests of the working population. They're merely tools of the ruling class to divide and conquer.
Some of these, especially those mentioned in the Serbian and Albanian sections of this video, have reminded me of my maternal uncle. In the last few years, he really fell into a conspiratorial rabbithole. Some examples of his believes that I have fished out of some posts I made in a Discord server's vent chat: - He believes that symbols like the swastika and what Serbs call "the 4 Ss" originated in Lepenski Vir. - That the whole Slav and Indo-European naming conventions were invented by Germans in the XVI century Vienna school to make themselves look superior, ancient and rightful people of the land. Or something along those lines. - That at least half of modern-day Albanians, the Shqiptari (named after how the Albanians call themselves), being a collection of 19 Caucasian, Middle Eastern, African and Indian tribes settled by the Habsburgs in the region in the 18th-19th centuries, largely replacing the Arbanashes (named after how the Albanians were called by neighboring nations in medieval times), whom he sees as Illyrian/Slavic Serbs. - He has a generally anti-western and specifically anti-Germanic stance too. - That the Illyrians, Triballians, Thracians and Dacians were one people and that the only difference between them and South Slavs is that the former fell to Rome and the letter didn't. - That Proto-Indo-Europeans called themselves Serbs, and that they originated in the central Balkans, with some of them migrating east towards India, and then some of those returning to Balkans and Europe a few millennia later, the latter being the "actual event" of what mainstream history sees and Indo-European migrations. - He also sometimes makes homophobic comments, including him believing homosexuality to be a relatively recent, Western invention. (For obvious reasons, he remains one of the few relatives I'm yet to come out as pan to, and the only one I have no intention of coming out to any time soon). - He also doesn't believe that humans are related to apes, as he sees this, as well as evolution as a whole, as an invention by the elite to control the masses more easily. Like, "if we aren't any more important than monkeys, than why bother asserting your personal freedoms?" seems to be his arguement. - Oh, and did I mention that he's a flat-earther? - He also believes that there is an old Serbian calendar which has some now lost/unknown, but important event in the latter half of the 6th millennium BCE as year 0. - He also sees the Iron Gates/Lepenski Vir culture as much larger than it actually was and sees it as peaceful, welcoming, hospitality culture (the former obviously wrong, but the latter might've been true for all we know) and says that the Serbs inherited such a culture, but that the Albanians, who claim to be the last remaining population of pre-Roman Balkaners, don't have such a culture. Whatever this conspiratorial rabbithole is, it took my uncle away from me and much of the extended family. And we want him back. But it doesn't seem we'll see him out of that rabbithole anytime soon.
@@norekrasniqi2482 He certainly isn't, but after googling who Miroljub Petrović is, I wouldn't be surprised if Miro was one of the sources of my uncle's conspiracies.
Well.the Serbs ,and also the other south Slavic people's, definitely do have certain amount of ancient ilyric blood,They are actually mix of, native mostly romanized population they encounteed on the Balkan's when they arrived there, and of South Slavic tribe's, original,Serbs and Croats.
Ironically this video didn’t talk about any genetics… the entire Balkans are more or less a mix indigenous paleo-Balkan people and Slavs (with minor elements of Germanic, Celtic, west Asian dna). Some of these concepts are just misunderstood, not really “wild theories” for example the Iranian theory. It’s not that Croats descend from Iranians or Scythians, it’s that a Scythian tribe may have come to dominate a larger group of Slavs who eventually came to also call themselves by the Iranic tribal name. It’s not confirmed by any means but it’s possible. Foreign military classes existed among many unrelated ethnic groups which they gave their names to: Russ, Bulgars, Normans, among them - Serbs and Croats may be the same. As for Albanians considering their heavy paleo Balkan input they probably are mostly descended from Illyrians or whatever tribes existed in or near Albania. North Macedonia are more paleo-Balkan than they are Slavic (60/40 if I recall correctly). And it’s very likely their ancestors mixed a lot with ancient Macedonians, while not being their direct descendants. Likewise the Bulgars, Serbs and others have clear Mediterranean input from the Thraco-Illyrian natives. (Typically around 50%).
Fun fact: DNA analysis can't differentiate between people from Hungary and people from Serbia. Let that sink in for a minute and maybe you will regain some sanity.
It means that the Avarian Khanate which the comprising factor were Slavs with q Haplogroup Mongol overlord remained slavic (purely racially, some might consider themselves Avar especially in the late stage of the Khanata when even the mongrelised royalty carried more slavic genetics than of their mongol forefathers). Same happened with the arrival of Magyars, and all those slavs are now known as Hungarians.
True for me on gedmatch. My mom is from southeastern Hungary and my dad was a Romanian from northwestern Serbia, Romanian Banat region, and my results in gedmatch out me as Serbian first, Romanian second, and Hungarian is usually fifth in the list, Croatian usually forth. Where did you get this information, it sounds like you know more about that.
@@nonames9935 Hungarians are just Magyarised Balkan Slavs, Balkan Slavs are just Slavicised Illyrians. Illyrians are just Illyrianised Pre - Indo - Europeans. Pre - Indo - Europeans are just cultured European caveman, European caveman are just migrant African caveman, African caveman are just smart Homo erectus, Homo erectus are just vertical monkeys.
Serbs were always allies of Illyrians. We considered each other brothers. Unfortunately the over throw of Albanians by ottomans was the same misfortune for Serbs and why everyone is confused and really forgot their Illyrian roots be it by blood or brotherhood. Serbs prove you can still be “Christian” country with ottoman Muslim mindset. Serbs don’t act like “western” civilizations to prove otherwise. They are also Eastern ideology.
my brother is a white gypsy orthodox Christian with slavic name who can't be distinguished from "ethnic" Serbs, DOES THAT RING A CERTAIN BELL OR SOMETHING
[enter Balkan nation here] : we are the first nation in the world, with 10 million years of history and all empires in the last millenium have conspired against us.
As a austrian historian, i have to say that as the current evidence shows the illyrian-albanian theory seems to be true and is accepted by most independent western historians. That still doesnt make them genetically superior, but I as a historian think that we need to shed more light on the true history, in order to prevent future nationalistic thinking.
@@pepperino-hotterino i know, iam albanian myself and when some brainwashed serb/greek says that we are from the caucasus i get pretty angry, then i give up and think that these people are frustrated who try in every way to dehumanize us
@@vericacvetkovic9093 And look who got most time getting criticized... That's right, Serbs. Others much shorter and it is there just for covering his auto-chauvinism. It almost always goes together with Marxism...
Bosniaks were existing 1000 years ago they were not established in the 90s. We were oppressed last 200 years from Catholic Austria to the Serbo Croatian Yugoslavia!
You were oppressed moslty by Turks who your ancestors faught, who took your children as devshirme, who took your people as jannisaries, who impaled Christians, who charged taxes unless you converted to Islam. And no you were not Bosniaks, your ancenstors mostly had Serbian & Croatian names and that's what most of them were. Bosnia was a territory that expanded, it was never an ethnicity.
So in Bosnian theories the Dubrovcani nation exists because once were city state called Dubrovnik, like once were Bosnia kingdom, paganija, Travunija, Zeta, Liburnia, lol, even Dalmatia had some almost state kingdom status, so is that some separate nation Dalmatians?? Tomorrow we will have nation Slavonci, Sumadinci,Sremci, Banatians, Zagorci......
the berlin school states that the slavs migrated from Poland* and Ukraine to the Balkans, not from Russia and Ukraine. East slavs expanded eastward from their original position in Ukraine.
@@ulanten892 they speak a Romance language it don’t change dna☠️ just like how Albania became half latinized they have their Balkan dna and not Italian
Please explain Persian Illyrian “indo-Europeans” and Kalash people from Kashmir, India who are considered “white” Indians from Illyrian descent from Illyrian warriors settling there during their missions with Alexander the Great. What about the fact that many Roman Empires considered themselves as either of Illyrian blood or of Illyrian brotherhood that established Hagia Sophia in Constantinople from Roman Emperor Constantine? Illyrians are not a “supremacy” group that is the real obsession of peoples minds in fear of God. Illyrian blood is fact.
Ahhh yes the thing that people like socialist,vegans and all kind of activists do but wait why i dont feel bad i cant feel this realization, dude i dont need to scream or yell at someone neither do i need a cult to know that my nation and all balkan nations are one of the greatest nations to ever exist and to the dissapoint of some people i know what overconfidence means i dislike people who have this self hating view of the world
This is what happens when you had a large family and then each decided to listen a different type of music. Fast forward few centuries and here where we are…..
Being 50% Yugoslav (of all Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, Montenegrin and North Macedonian origins combined), I must say, I take great pleasure in watching your videos
Well the iranian one for croat is kinda funny bcs the languga shares alot of similar iraninan words and they can be umderstud with little variation. Othervise, its commonly leared in school that we are a slavic tribe that came to the exact location around the end of 8th cencury. Other theorys are not mentioned alot, only rarly you hera about them if they find some proff or evidence to give it a bit more legitimy, but thats all.
Incorrect about Bosnia. You didn't mention that most population there were religion named "Bogumil", which the Eastern and Western churches declared as apostasy, so the theory that they are Serbs and Croats is a waste, but there were expelled Bogumili from Serbia and Croatia, who moved to Bosnia ,so population is mixed.You also didn’t mentions where the word Bosniak originally comes from, which is the Boshnyan (Bošnjani) used for the inhabitants of Bosnia.
Comments from a random Greek who just happened to watch part of this video: 1. Not again this ridiculous story about the Illyrians. The Illyrians were some dumb barbaric pirates, always ruled by the Greeks and the Romans. Why would anyone wanting to be their descendant? Their most noteworthy deed was when they had an uprising against Rome and were all massacred. 2. I will not pretend to be an expert on Slavic history but why are all these countries trying so hard to connect to some of the ancient civilizations that lived in the Balkans. 3. Nobody will earn extra lands if they claim to have ancestors who used to own these areas. If that was the case, then Greece and Italy would pretty much own all of the Mediterranean. 4. Sometimes we must think before we blindly adopt some ridiculous theories. The theory that the Illyrians were Alania's ancestors or that Alexander the Great was a Slav and is somehow related to the modern day country of North Macedonia are just as absurd as the story of that Serb guy who was the father of all people. 5. History is the one and only judge of our ancestry. For example have we ever found anything written in Albanian that dates before the 11th century? If we haven't then our best guess if that the Albanians somehow arrived in the 11th century. The same goes for everyone. Are there any Greek/Roman sources that mention anything about the Slavs before the Byzantine times? If not then the Slavs arrived during the Byzantine times. 6. Most people from the Balkans blame us Greeks, for not wanting our country to be associated with the Balkans at all. And yet when a creator from the Balkans makes a video about the Balkans rarely includes us. I guess when you people talk about the Balkans you take more into consideration your shared culture (Slavs and communist past) and not the actual geography, which makes parts of Greece actually Balkan but anyway....
1. The biggest war the Roman empire ever had was against Ilyrians in the Pannonian area. Pannonia is the home area of nealry every West slavic nation nowaydays. 2. Todys new Haplogroups show that I2a Haplogroup is the oldest in Europe, wich is dominant among South Slavs and ancient Balkan people. I2A Haplogroup originated some time around 26,000-31,000 BCE. It originated in Europe and developed into several main subgroups. 4. The Macedonian king Alexander the Great was not understood by the Greeks when he shouted an order in his native tongue and the Greek commander Eumenes needed a translator to address the soldiers of the Macedonian phalanx.The Greek orators Thrasymachus of Chalcedon and Demosthenes of Athens called Macedonian kings like Archelaus and Philip II "barbarians", which prima facie means that they did not speak Greek. Herodotus also relates the incident of the participation of Alexander I of Macedon in the Olympic Games in 504 or 500 BC where the participation of the Macedonian king was contested by participants on the grounds that he was not Greek. Those are GREEK HISTORIANS writing about Alexanders Tribe. 5. Ask any Russian, Ukraine, Polish, and other Slavs were they come from.... they will point to the Balkans, Pannonia or south to the Carpathians, thats how they learn history. It makes no sense that Slavs came from nowhere and all of a sudden within 50 years dominated the Balkans and nothing Ilyrian exists anymore, while Romans went with them to war for so long. Why would Ilyrians 300BC call mountians by slavic Gods like Perun? Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus is the most common source of the Slavic Invasion, but he was totally wrong translated, Revolt was translated as Invasion, thats why not even Vienna (the first ones to teach that) accepts the Invasion theory anymore becasue there are nearly no sources. The name Ilyrian is just a Roman name like they gave to Germans, but Germans never called themselves Germans but Deutsche. 6. Most Greeks act like Albanians when it comes to Slavic history in the Balkans, they say Slavs came in 7th century but cant name one source, wich means they only heard of something like that but never investigated on their own. But todays haplogroup tests (google I2A) show that a lot history is falsificated like its always has been.
I dont even said anything about Slavic greatness, im just saying that non Slavic People are writing Slavic History without ever knowing any sources. We Slavs for sure wont go to Germany or England and teach them their History.
@@Svarog187 biggest war was with the illyrians lol don't make us laugh it seems you are forgeting punic wars and literally every single war with germanic tribes you probably want to say biggest revolt but you are too dumb to say it i guess🤷
@@copah4537 even with our broken economy is better than the economics of kosovo and Albania combined poor Albania don't bite the hand that feeds you🤫🤫🤫
Deretic goes a bit too hammertime with his theories but why use him as the example? Why not disprove the studies and work of Milos milojevic? His assertions is what birthed the Serb autochthonous school.
Also if you’re weak and get attacked then you are indeed a victim. The Balkans have been raped by outside powers for centuries, making them In fact a victim. Victim mentality is what we see now in the west, where people play the victim card for the smallest injustice even though they’ve profited from injustice for centuries
The Macedonian king Alexander the Great was not understood by the Greeks when he shouted an order in his native tongue and the Greek commander Eumenes needed a translator to address the soldiers of the Macedonian phalanx.The Greek orators Thrasymachus of Chalcedon and Demosthenes of Athens called Macedonian kings like Archelaus and Philip II "barbarians", which prima facie means that they did not speak Greek. ARGEAD DYNASTY- This is testified by Herodotus, in The Histories, where he mentions that three brothers of the lineage of Temenus, Gauanes, Aeropus and Perdiccas, fled from Argos to the Illyrians and then to Upper Macedonia. Herodotus also relates the incident of the participation of Alexander I of Macedon in the Olympic Games in 504 or 500 BC where the participation of the Macedonian king was contested by participants on the grounds that he was not Greek. Explain me plaese why GREEK HISTORIANS say this. If you want i give you more that Alexanders tribe was considered not Greek before he was even born.
@@Svarog187 you do realise modern Greek identity did not exist during Alexander’s time? No one was considered “Greek” because Greece did not exist. They were nation states
I believe Bulgarian ethnicity is very well explained with the rule of the first Christian knyaz Boris Michael 1st. He found his self ruling a federation of many tribes of different religions and languages. They couldn't cooperate due to their differences so he united everybody under one language and one religion since then Bulgaria is a title of honor to the Bulgars that although a small tribe manged to organize everyone under one nation.
I JA KAO I SVI DRUGI TREBAMO ZABORAVITI STA JE BILO.ZNAM DA JE TESKO,ALI BRACO I SESTRE SLAVENI VRIJEME JE DA POCMEMO GLEDATI U BUDUCNOST.DA SHVATIMO DA NEMAMO NIKOG BLIZEG I SVE STO NAM SE DESAVALO U PROSLOSTI JE BILA IGRA NEKOG TRECEG ZA NEKAKAV PROFIT
Let’s be honest the only people in all of Europe with even a trace of a claim on autochthony combined with ethnic distinctiveness are the Basques the rest of us are a bunch of mongrels with genetic and ethnic and cultural and linguistic inputs from any number of cultures and peoples who have trampled across the continent in the last few thousand years. The notion that genetics and ethnicity are somehow a claim on territory or of any sort of use to anyone except geneticists and those who study ancient history is absurd. We are all Europeans, and more importantly we’re all just humans.
Thanks for mentioning the linguistic analysis of Albanian, it’s a clear indicator that the Albanians do in fact descend from some Paleo Balkanic group, whichever group I couldn’t possibly care.
my balkan country > everyone else
In a nutshell.
Oh its a bulgarian seal?
The balkans > everyone else
Its true we are better than other nations i many areas and have a lot of potential that they repress
The balkan equation
Every Balkan Country > Everyone Else
WE NEED A Balkan Union !
A Chinese man one said: "Аз съм Българин."
A Mongolian man once said:
"Magyar vagyok."
It means: I am Hungarian
Lol I know the first statement from a meme I have saved
България на три океана🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Lol Hungarians have nothing to do with Mongols 😂
@@southernhungarian other than similar names they dont but the joke is still funny nonetheless
Any Balkaners be like: *We are the children of our ancestors of the lost atlantean civilization.*
You probably say that as a joke but as a kid I remember a boomer telling me how the ancient atlantis where Greeks and that another boomer who said that ancient Greeks had a war with ancient greeks was falsely saying they werent greeks. Apparently many years ago (100.000 before christ) there used to be a global greek civilisation with advanced technology (more advanced than todays) that was destroyed by a global civil war to the point that all humanity went back to stone age. Also the ancient greek gods existed in real life they were superhumans and used that technology
Pfp checks out
@@costasstatho7749 We're bound to go into another stone age soon
@@epiriotis9533 There are some realistic ways for this to happen
And it is!
As an Iranian, this was one of the strangest videos I have ever seen
lol
To be fair if you read the 'official' history it even more ridiculous.
@@FilipCordas Really ??? since I just started learning about the Balkans, I know more about Greece, but I have never heard of Serbs and Croats relating to the Iranian people.
@@Eranshahr-Forever The western academic accepted version states that actually Serbs and Croats where distinct ethnic groups ever since the arrival of from the areas of Moravia. That means that Croats coming from White Croats settled into area that is basically todays Croatian borders and Serbs coming from White Serbs settled the aria of central Serbia. Except for the big cities that remained roman for a long time. There is almost no archeological evidence for any of it and genetics show a great mixing of the populations, there is only one written source for it but somehow any questioning of it is considered un scientific. I think the crazy theories come from the lack of evidence of what actually happened, and there is clearly politics involved in western versions because they tend to change the theory every time there are negotiations or border disputes.
@@Eranshahr-Forever you should watch acts 17 apologetics and pfander films and christian prince and cira international and soco films on RUclips and watch all the channels on RUclips eternal Persian 😀😀😀
I am Albanian myself and I have travelled all over Eastern Europe and in every single country, people assumed I was a native and spoke to me in their own language. We all look alike and have very similar traditions. I dont understand the point of genetic supremacy, there is none.
ask the Germans. they started this sh!t show
Cause you are a female. The whole thing is D size contest. Who is bigger than who? Who is more important? That's the reason. Its filled with so many lies ofcourse. For us on the Balkans it was outsiders ruining a lot of it. If not for A&H Serbia wouldve been happy with Bosnia and no issues bothering Albanians or taking land promised to Bulgaria. So no second Balkan war. The A&H and Ottomans wouldve been buried under the carpet by 1916. If only we had our own leaders. If we became a unified league by 1930s we wouldve been worth a mentioning and no1 would assume we easy picks.
@@thetalion8984 Racism is product of the British Empire trying to prove their race is superior to any other and destined to rule and exploit them. If you dig deeper you'll find that the Nazis were reading and copying British and American author.
Of course. Besides all Indo-European tribes came from somewhere long time ago, Middle East or somewhere else, does it Metter?
And also when plp. start to make big deal out of genetics, well, we all know where that leads when we look at the history.
@Roza Huber there was a difference between them. The USA created those laws because of the plantation system and other factors. They needed the slace title to be transferred so that they do not lose what made them thrive. The Germans created the whole theory and book around thay still plagues our society to this very day. Not saying that the Americans aren't guilty but you can't compare them
As a Serbian, I am proud of my Amoebas ancestors and family members...
But amoebas aint our ancestors lol
@@bajamaliknindza440 neitheir are the ilirians
@@theangrykekistani9418 1 cup of vanilla ice cream pls
It's common knowledge, that the first amoeba was Serbian.
@@bajamaliknindza440, takooooooo jeeeeeee!!!!!!!
I love how comments show that origin obsession in action.... Ah Balkan
It's honestly a form of insanity that's rears its ugly head everywhere especially over in the Balkans
leave Balkan alone.. We love it that way :)
''My people and country are superior'' - random Balkanite.
Meanwhile his country was ravaged by war or corruption and the Balkanite is actually in Germany or Britain.
Sane like middle easterners on tik tok who say that they r superior mean while they stayed without food for 800 days just to beg the police to enter the eu border
Or on a stolen tractor back to the God forsaken FAR OVERTHERE
In a nutshell 👌
Better than the "my country and people suck that's why I suck the country I moved to". But both are horrible peoples.
shut uppp
The obsession with genetics and genealogy is a very prevalent phenomenon among Western Europeans too!
Difference being, Westerners are interested in the their individual, family genealogy and Easterners are more into group or ethnic genetics.
No it isn’t lmao, almost nobody cares about that stuff.
Thats because socialists destroyed their heritage and reset their history and they are desperate to get it back. People think it doesn't matter but it does. People like to feel like they come from somewhere. And with the current Marxist hyper focusing on "indigenous" as the legitimate claimants to a particular region, its bexoming ever more important to stake that claim by proving you are "indigenous." That way you have defense against being uprooted by the influx of mass immigration. Whether that's good or not is irrelevant. It is this way and with constant and perpetual indoctrination it will continue to be this way. Theres much more to it than just "I am better than you because I am from a certain place." Marxists distill it down into "supremacy" or whatever so they can label it hate and use it as a cudgel. Fuck nazis. But fuck Marxists harder, and with a longer stick.
Especially in Britain
As someone from the US I can confirm
When you’re constantly colonized throughout the aeons by different kinds of bastards(the Ottoman Empire being the worst) is not surprising. This also the reason for the pan African and pan Arab movements started, but somehow it isn’t problematic to westerners since much marginalization and white guilt.
🇷🇸: I am -Illryian- Atlantean not Slavic and all humans are descended from Serbs!
🇦🇱: No I am! You are Slavic! We are oldest people in Europe!
🇷🇸: You are descended from the Iranian Albanian people!
🇦🇱: No, they just share the same name.
🇲🇪: Guys I'm trynna sleep
🇭🇷: Serbia is Slavic I am Slavic too but Serbia bad
🇷🇸: Ok Gothic Gacha kid
🇭🇷: Ok Nazi we are obviously Slavic with no German origin
🇧🇦: Hello traitors. You are all just Slavic I am Slavic AND Illryian
🇦🇱: WE ARE THE ONLY ILLRYIAN NATION YOU [Censored by RUclips staff]
🇧🇦: Ok evil half-brother
🇷🇸: Ok FAKE -Illryians- ATLANTEANS
🇸🇮: You guys are weird
🇷🇸: EVERYONE IS SERBIAN
🇷🇺: Yeah bro we are all Slavic
🇷🇸: But Serbia is not Slavic mah boah
🇦🇱: Fake
🇷🇴: Albania is Illryian and they are cousins of us Dacians
🇦🇱: Real
🇷🇸: Fake everyone is Serbian you are just traitors!
🇭🇺: Albania saved me from the Ottomans!
🇷🇴: Transylvania is Romanian
🇭🇺: Nope, It's rightful Hungarian land!
🇧🇬: I agree
🇷🇴: You are both Asian
🇭🇺: No, we are Europeans but we came from Central Asia. All Indo-Europeans come from Central Asia, 1/3RD OF OF HUMANITY IS HUNGARIAN YOU [Censored by RUclips staff]
🇧🇬: Me too. Bulgarians above all, creators of human history, BULG-ARIAN = ARIAN
🇭🇺: HUNG-ARIAN = ARIAN
🇧🇬: Yep brother
🇷🇴: Nazis
🇭🇺🇧🇬: VAMPIRES!
🇷🇸🇷🇴: NAZIS!
🇦🇱🇭🇷: VAMPIRES!
🇬🇷: Wtf is going on in here?
🇲🇰: I changed my name, happy?
🇬🇷: But still Alexander the Great was Greek
🇲🇰: FAKE
🇬🇷: Macedonia was always Greek land that was until you Slavs took it!
🇲🇰: No, Macedonia has always been Macedonia! Alexander the Great is ours!
🇦🇱: Who cares about Alex he didn't stand a chance against us Illryians
🇲🇰🇬🇷: FAKE!
🇦🇱: Half of Macedonia is Albanian land
🇲🇰: No, It's all Macedonian
🇬🇷: No, It's always been Greek
🇦🇱: You are all Turkic
🇬🇷: HOW DARE U
🇷🇸: LEAVE GREECE ALONE
🇲🇰:Macedonia is Macedonia
🇷🇸: NO, YOU ARE SLAVIC JUST LIKE US
🇧🇬: Macedonia should be Bulgarian land
🇲🇰: No, you are Asian and I'm Macedonian
🇦🇱: No you are Albanian and Bulgarian under Slavic occupation
🇧🇬: We are Thracian too!
🇬🇷: Thrace is Greek!
🇦🇱: No, you are both Turkic
🇷🇸: No, Croatia and Bosnia are Turkic, not them!
🇬🇷: WE HATE THEM ARE YOU KIDDING ME
🇹🇷: I heard that! You are all Turkic!
🇬🇷🇷🇸🇧🇬🇲🇰🇭🇷🇧🇦🇷🇴🇭🇺🇷🇺🇸🇮🇲🇪 Left the group
🇦🇱: Boo
🇹🇷 Left the group
🇦🇱 Deleted the group chat
Not croatia calling serbia a nazi
Ok but the thing is, there's a region in Greece that's called Macedonia. We don't claim the country. Only bulgarian nationalists do that (with albanian nationalists claiming half of the country). A lot of people seem to confuse this. The name dispute was mainly caused due to how north macedonia used to call itself (it was called "FYROM", but the country called itself just Macedonia.) There can't be 2 Macedonia's. It is either a country or a greek region, which lots of historians seem to agree that Macedonia should only be a region and that North Macedonia should exclude the name Macedonia and rename itself with something else. So in other words, Greece has a region that's called Macedonia, and there's a country that used to call itself Macedonia. Greece didn't like that because that country was using the name of one of Greece's regions, so Greece blocked the country to join NATO and the EU until there was a solution to the problem. Take it as a copyright strike.
Soo hilarious 😂
What Albania had to do with Hungarian defense?
Hahaha
Thank God I am English and don't have a disgusting identity crisis 😂
this is off topic, but i just wanna thank you for the burnt-in serb subtitles. my serbian is utter crap, i am trying to learn it as an adult and i feel like it is an excellent help in practice. great stuff, really.
Glad you're nonetheless determined to learn a new language. I'm glad the subtitles help, good luck.
@@BalkanOdyssey_ i also want to thank you for educating me about the Balkan region, as an outsider i basically just saw the balkans as a complete warzone when i was 13 when i first ran into this channel, to put it short you taught me alot man
@@BalkanOdyssey_ The thing is nationalism was hot topic when we were appearing on the map again. We were obviously downsized from what our ethnic borders could be. Top early to have empireal ambitions yet. There was a need to expand as that's nature either expand or die so the fact that u got millions of brothers and sisters under the feet of the Ottoman empire or A&H was a strong motivator for war. You got to know something tho. As we all came late we couldnt be fully independent. Romania, Bulgaria and Greece all had outsiders as monarchs. The second Balkan war which ruined the future of Bulgaria was started by the German monarch which we had. In ww1 both Greece and Romania had more interest to be in Entente camp against Germany but their monarchs were German so valuable time was wasted. Not trying to blame everything on the outsiders but they definately pulled the strings into their direction. What happent was a bunch of wars which were for no interest of the Balkan nations. Only the first Balkan war is worthy to mention that we did it for ourselves. Ww1 we werent unified again. Ofocurse my country Bulgaria due to the dipshit monarch causing last war had to be against its neighbours. I really like to imagine what ww1 wouldve looked with the Balkan league remaining. A&H and the Ottomans wouldve been absolutely done by 1916 just by Bulgaria not being on their side. Without second Balkan war that couldve been achieved. But nvm. That's how we think. We like to imagine a different history alt history if you wish cause it is a sweet fantasy. It's funny tho. We the powder keg of Europe? Wow while we were still barely rebelling against the Ottomans Europe was practising war as a sport.
I thought those were Croatian subtitles. I'm learning Croatian.
If they're Serbian, I won't pay attention.
@@catholicdad it doesn't matter, they are practicly the same language
My Slovenian grandfather was hilarious in his "Slovenes are racially superior" talk 😂🇸🇮
Does he explain his logic at all 😂
He was Rite 💪🏻
Jovan Deretic’s work is being taken seriously? I laughed so hard 😂😂😂😂 his works are a subject of joking amongst people as he is fun as hell. He is the embodiment of pseudohistorian. A few people that are taking him seriously (less then 1 percent of population) are those who say Jesus was a Serb, and make bad reputation for Serbs by writing shit in comments online
A lot of ordinary people is talking about his work... And that is one step closer in path to fashism...
ајде радована онда. вако прво упореди речи и поријекло речи.
@@slobodanboban8717 Modern Serbian autochtonic theory really is a product of emigre Ljotician circles in Munich
Deretic's "academic" work. Lol.
@Novea River If u smoke some pot, you will laugh your ass off. That man was batshit crazy
It's really interesting that you mention that Serbian nationalists call the real history of Serbs (& other South Slavs) "Vienna school of history", as that's similar with what we have here in Hungary.
Far-right nationalists often say that the Finno-Ugric theory, the theory that Hungarians migrated to the Carpathian Basin from the Ural mountains at the end of the 9th century (which is the officially accepted origin theory of Hungarians, and is what is being taught in Hungarian schools) is just "Habsburg propaganda" that was fed to Hungarians while Hungary was under Habsburg rule to discourage us from taking pride in our origins, thus making us less likely to rise up.
They usually believe that we are somehow related to the Huns, and have been in Europe in the 5th century, etc...
Problem is he took the narrative that all nationalists in Serbia believe in Iliryan theory while it's only 14 year olds and delusional people that believe in that
You are huns most
Very long ago there were greeks
@Нерад No skeletal remains with I2a haplogroup have been found from before the Slavic settlements. Ofc there are no cyrillic and serbian inscriptions, absolute imagination.
Its a lot of genetics know-how I don't even understand. It just feels so complicated.
@@maniaces, bas tako.
Another fantastic video! Nationalistism is also heavily rooted in our educational systems. Just reopened my high school history book a couple of months ago and needles to say the reductionism with which most events are portrayed is unmatched.
А эабелаэваш ли как нашите историци ни пишат историята така все едно ние вечно сме прави а съседите вечно виновни. Най вероятно и техните историци такива ги пишат. Едва ли има истории при тях че техните владетели са вэели да правят каквото и да е било в Македония преэ 1912 и 1913 че ние эа това да сме ги нападнали. Тъпия шваб как ни прецака Съюэа. Направи видео ъа алтернатива преэ която балканската лига се задържа стабилно ш няма втора Балканска война. Да видим как свършва първата световна. Според мен централните сили отиват на боклука до 1916та. Няма как Османците да иэдържат войната като столицата им е превэета. Това става эа 3 месеца. Все пак голям майтап е щяло да бъде да си върнат Одрин по честен път га ние сме там както трябва. Вярно че имат много повече войска но първо не могат да я съберат на време второ като от антантата чуят че влиэаме на тяхна страна те ще доставят и муниции и милион войници ако трябва.
Good, the world needs more nationalism.
He's communist he wants to wipe out Serbian pride/nationalism.
@@Cyricist001 Your mindset is the breed of primitivism across all of the globe
@@Radioactivepaladin0703
Because all species, including humans, are hardwired with tribalism. So it was and so it will always be, the only people who think otherwise are a fraction of a fraction in the West, the rest of the planet are as racist, sexist and tribal as much as 19.century Europe, and that is normal.
I've actually had a DNA test. My results were 61.5% Greek and South Italian, 36.7% Balkan from Romania, and 1.8% Ashkenazi Jewish. I'm an ethnic Albanian from Macedonia. 100% Balkan
DNA 🧬 will sort it all out.
Dna tests are complete bs mate
You’re Jewish
@@internet5076 no they are not hahah, they show precisely this to other Albanians. What's funny is that most Italians get Albania when doing whole genome sequencing. This is atleast what I've seen on eupedia and apricity forums
@@nonames9935 Mate do you think there's a flag hidden in your DNA? Most of the balkan is pretty much the same shit. You could abduct a baby from any of those countries, raise them in any of the other countries, and no one would know the kid was adopted.
As an Albanian I never believed the Illyrian theory but it also made me sad because we (Albanians) will probably never know our true history.
Ilyrian theory can hardly be true for neither Albanians or Serbs as we know so little about Ilyrians as a people (if they were in one people even). But some theories are hella interesting and amusing when discussed by uneducated people.
I always thought Albanians could of came from Albanoi, which seems to be a tribe that occurs well after Rome conquered Illyria, maybe a illyrian tribe becaume latinized and formed the basis of the eventual albanian nation? I know theirs alot of latin loan words in albanian.
@@stefandusan9629 i'm Bosnian and i'm neutral but Albanians have 1000 year old church in Baku and in Nagorno Karabah so I would not say that they are natives on Balkan but what native even mean we are all natives we live here for long time but I think they were invited over there by tsar Dusan along with Armenians, my uncle is half Albanian and he has very dark skin colour even his half Bosnian too, while we Bosnians tend to be whiter and we look nothing like Slavs, I personally looked nordic when I was a kid and then my hair goes to dark to blonde and green eyes, funny thing that 86% people with green eyes have Gothic descendent and how I know Eastern Goths inhabited terittory of ex Yugoslavia, and seems a lot of people mix things up Slavs are not ethnic group we are linguistic group Bulgarians are Bulgars or Ukrainians are Hazars and not Russians as people say or Russians are Schytians who mixed with Finish and Nordic tribes, Slavic languages are actually church languages that were developed from greek and cyrilic alphabet is very similar to greek one so even our language was highly influenced by Greeks but seems people rather have myths about Slavic identity and it don't exist, one avarage Serb is closer to Greeks than to Russian in mentality and in looks, one Bosnian muslim is closer looking to Germans than to any other Slavic nation or regional nation to be real, when I was a kid I always thought Serbs tend to be German or Russian looking but as I grew up and got to know a lot of Serbs i've seen that only 2 out of 10 look like that maybe even less it's been a while I've seen serb with blue or green eyes, can't speak about Croats cuz I haven't met them and Macedonians tend to look Greek and Albanian too, Albanians that I met to be real all had curly hair and were of darker skin colour I don't know if everyone over there is similar to that I would say no but for sure 80% of Kosovo population tend to look darker than other Europeans
@@zik7724 bosna je turkey.bosnia belongs to Serbia .Bosnia has no identity
@@albanianorthodox8659 Bosnia has 1000 years of history, Serbia is made 1878 what you mean by saying we have no history
The main difference between Albanian and Serbian pseudohistorians is this:
In Serbia, our academics, scientists, historians, archelogists, linguists etc. fight agains pseudoscience. We are aware how damaging that alternative history is to our culture and identity, but also reputation. Serbs have enough rich and fascinating history from early middle ages, all the way to modern times. We don't need fake stories about ancient "Serbian" civilizations, "Serbian" pyramides, and other nonsense.
But on the other side, there are a lot Albanian historians, which are in academical institutions btw, who promote pseudohistory. They don't stop only with Illyrians (which itself is not strong theory, and isn't supported with enough evidence), but they go so far to claim Pelasgians, Troyans etc. Of course, this is more of a political purpose, than scientifical.
The troyan part was ridiculous tbh , as a greek i felt embarrassed that people like these can insult our history like that
@@thanasisvoutsas461 Yes, it sounds hilarious, but it's claimed by Albanian academics, like Elena Kocaqi for example. She is btw professor in Durres university.
@loder Man There is no strong evidence for Illyrian ancestry
@@Akcija1930 Illyrian ancestry exist around the albanians aswell as the southwestern slavs , but ethnically not
@loder Man Well look, Illyrians were here before Romans. They eventually got romanized when Romans conquered Balkans. Slavs came here from 5th-7th centuries and they assimilated one part of Illyrians, so technically we have "illyrian blood", which is not important for me, neither for bigger part of Serbs. However, Albanians are first mentioned in 11th century, and their language was mentioned first time in 13th century. We do not know their exact origins, where do they came from. Maybe in ethnogenesis of modern Albanians, more nations participated. Don't forget that many Slavs, Greeks and Vlachs were albanized because of Ottoman occupation. They surely aren't direct descendants of Illyrians, and it is funny to talk about Illyrian history as part of Albanian history...
How about the Serbian theory that God is Serbian and that Serbs are directly related to God himself?
Alright your comment is hilarious.
@Lazar Hahahhaha nice one
isnt that mostly a meme tho
@Lazar Možem da te pitam nešto?
Don't take this seriously.
We don't know much of anything about the Illyrians. It's quite probable they were never one people and it was just a term of convenience by Greeks and Romans using the name of one tribe to refer to the whole area for a variety of unknown ethnic groups and languages.
The ancient Illyrians could have been more diverse and culturally distinct than even the modern Balkans, prior to Romanization. That means that for what little we do know about them, viewing them as a single homogenous ethnic group to descend from is the one thing that does not appear to be very Illyrian at all.
But do you think that they spoke Slavon? That would be unimaginable!
@@ermirdestani Probably not, but we don't know for certain. When the Greeks first mention Illyrians, the Slavic languages seem to only be a few centuries removed from sharing a common Balto-Slavic language with the Baltic languages and were probably spoken further North.
The real question is rather Slavic speaking peoples "replaced" the people there (i.e. expelled or killed), or a Slavic ruling class caused an incentive for the people there (who probably saw themselves more as Roman than Illyrian at that point) to relatively quickly assimilate into Slavic language and culture. My internet armchair best guess is that were was probably more a rapid assimilation than a genocide of expulsion.
For a parallel, it was once believed that Germanic Anglo-Saxons invaded and conquered all of England after arriving from Northern Germany/Southern Denmark, and either killed all the Celtic people or drove them to the Western corners Britain like Wales and Cornwall from the mid 400s A.D. onward. But it's now believed that Anglo-Saxons settlers and their direct descendants were never in large enough in number to "replace" Celtic Romano-Briton people, as it is believed that Anglo-Saxon settlers and their direct descendants were only about 10% of the population, but that that their presence as a ruling class resulted in a relatively quick assimilation (as in just a few generations) of Celtic people into Anglo Saxon language and culture. However, while I understand there's solid genetic, linguistic, and archaeological vidence for the 90/10 population split in England, I couldn't claim to know if Slavic people were in greater or lesser numbers than the people already there in the Balkans.
It was actually a rhetorical question, I just wanted to know your opinion. When you say "propably" it seems to me a madness for the way you think, when the Slavic invasions are well documented in the Byzantine records.
@@ermirdestani If I was unclear in what I meant, I apologize. I used the phrase "probably not" just to indicate that there's a lot we can't know. The whole Balto-Slavic comment was there to cast doubt that though there was likely many distinct peoples and language groups in the pre-Roman period that we will never know, it highly unlikely (but unknowable) if there was any sort of slavic or proto-slavic element. I thought that was the question you had asked, essentially.
Obviously, as you state, there was a migration of Slavic speaking tribes in the Balkans in the Byzantine period. The cultural upheaval of that period is the genesis of the South Slavic peoples as we know them. But, the mystery is what happened to the Illyro-Romans, and personally, I think they assimilated in a relatively peaceful manner by the standards of the day, compared to say, what Europeans did to Indigenous people in North America.
What we know from Greek history is that there are 2 schools of thought. One of them is that Illyrian were Greek people. The other one is that Illyria got hellenized so early on we have no proof if they ever spoke another language. What is certain is that culturaly historically and religiously they were as Greek as the proto city-states.
"Greeks are those who share in our education"
At any time in recorded history an illyrian would be considered Greek.
What were they before greeks settled there or hellenized? Who knows.
I remember from history talking about the "Agean people" or something similar there were some local communities all over Greece of uknown origin before the settlement of doric and ionic tribes. What happen to them? Probably assimilated. Some claim they were parts of greek tribes settled there before the main ones. And we probably have some words in Greek deriving from their local one or their dialect.
They used to say myceneans weren't Greek or some other tribe but they are now classified as Greek/Proto-Greek.
My hypothesis is that the same thing might happen with the aegean people and who knows, maybe the illyrians one day.
It's not insane to imagine all these people's that came from probably central europe were of the same tribes and could all be proto-greeks.
all South Slavs are mostly genetically native Balkan (i.e Illyrian) and mixed with migrating Slavs - to a far lesser extent than people may think
No, we Bulgarians are Thracians and date back to 500 BCE
@@hristokolev6016 Thracian/Illiryan are about the same people, just different tribes, same with a sub tribe called Dacians, who inhabitted the northern serbia and a large part of romania
Since there are still people who're still spreading misinformation in regards to South Slavic genetics, let's make a few things as clear as possible.
1. According to the 2013 autosomal IBD survey "of recent genealogical ancestry over the past 3,000 years at a continental scale", the speakers of the Serbo-Croatian language share a very high number of common ancestors dated to the migration period approximately 1,500 years ago with Poland and Romania-Bulgaria cluster among others in Eastern Europe. It is concluded to be caused by the Slavic expansion, which was a vast population that expanded over a large geographic area, and that the aforementioned expansion is "highly coincident with the modern distribution of Slavic languages".
2. According to Kushniarevich et al. 2015, the Hellenthal et al. 2014 IBD analysis also found "multi-directional admixture events among East Europeans (both Slavic and non-Slavic), dated to around 1,000-1,600 YBP" which coincides with "the proposed time-frame for the Slavic expansion". The Slavic influence is "dated to 500-900 CE or a bit later with over 40-50% among Bulgarians, Romanians, and Hungarians". The 2015 IBD analysis found that the South Slavs have lower proximity to Greeks than East and West Slavs and that there's an "even patterns of IBD sharing among East-West Slavs-'inter-Slavic' populations (Hungarians, Romanians, and Gagauz)-and South Slavs, across an area of assumed historic movements of people including Slavs". The peak of shared IBD segments between South and East-West Slavs suggests a shared "Early Slavic ancestry".
3. According to a recent admixture analysis of Western Balkan, the South Slavs show a genetic uniformity. The modeled ancestral genetic component of Balto-Slavs among South Slavs was between 55-70%. The 2006 Y-DNA study results "suggest that the Slavic expansion started from the territory of present-day Ukraine, thus supporting the hypothesis that places the earliest known homeland of Slavs in the basin of the middle Dnieper".
4. According to most Y-DNA studies, the distribution, variance, and frequency of the Y-DNA haplogroups R1a and I2 and their subclades R-M558, R-M458, and I-CTS10228 among South Slavs are in correlation with the spreading of Slavic languages during the medieval Slavic expansion from Eastern Europe, most probably from the territory of present-day Ukraine and Southeastern Poland.
In other words, South Slavs are still primarily Slavic in terms of genetics, specifically, Y-DNA and aDNA, stop LARPing as the people your Slavic forefathers have subjugated.
then explain why even myancestry thinks i am mostly baltic
@Μαρίνα Σ according to this, most croats and serbs are not even balkanic, since most of them do not belong to the i2 haplogroup. haplogroups don't even define your ethnicity, since even martin luther was i2. do you consider martin luther a typical balkanite? also, a halogen is a special type of chemical element. Most people belonging to the i2 haplogroup are found in todays russia, with 10 %, which would be around 14 million people.
Glad to see the name change has been implemented. The old one did sound a bit biased on some topics.
Being serb is a biased? Lol...
@@GameandComedy Of course it is if Serbia plays a stronge role in his videos.
🇷🇴 I honestly agree a lot with most of what you say... As a Romanian I can see a lot of "victim" mentality through our population. As much as our history is a lot more based on facts there still is this problem about "autohtony". When our national "creation story" was coined there were 2 main theories, both extreme. The first was the vision of Austro-Hungarian elites who saw romanians as migrators into lands that were hungarian and German before. And the second, a counter response is that the romanisation of the province of dacia had a continuity untill the present, therefore Romanians have always, since the end of the ethnogenesis been on the same north danubian lands. This second theory is the one taught in schools and defended fiercely, as it is not necessarily derogatory to other peoples and is based on evidence. But I feel like it is not necessarily complete. New scholars that have abandoned all national "scopes" believe that such a big Romanian population couldn't exist without the addition of Latin speaking migrants from the balkans whose lands were occupied by the migration of the slavs. So there were Latin speakers north of the Danube, but they were also completed by others who came from the South. But this theory that combines both original theories in a way that is based on facts and logical narratives is not accepted because of the fact that it could still support that Transilvania is somehow "definetly hungarian". In Romania we are either all from here or came from who knows where :) no in between.
There are also a lot of people that subscribe to this second theory, but they also see Romans as not the true ancestors. In there vision we are not Latin. Even tho we speak a version of Latin, have Latin traditions and collectively have always called ourselves Romans "citisens of Rome". No, for them we are Dacians, superior in comparison to all other nations. Some claim Roman culture was based on the Dacian one)))) that Dacians built Rome... This was mostly a theory that was highly praised in comunist times when our leader wanted to distance ourselves from the "imperialist brother nations of the west" as he called them :) If only they knew how many other people claim the same Dacian origin.... So yeah, România is really not much different from all the examples in your video.
@@duxromanorum9861 least nationalist romanian
When i heard someone say “the garden of Eden was in Macedonia”, i knew that something wasn’t right but didn’t take it serious until i heard more people repeat the stupidity.
We Slovenes also had to give an attempt at pseudoscience when it comes to genetics.
-The Germanic theory is a very prevelent one today especially in the region of Styria (Štajerska/Штајерска), similar to the gothic theory it states that Slovenes have German or at least Germanic roots, this theory is on the surface more believable than the croatian one as there are many words that we use that are derived from german and then slavified (Fraj/Frei - Free; Cilj/Ziel - Goal; Žleht/Schlect - Evil....and many many more examples), and of course the meme of Slovenia, we say ja instead of da/да which is used in every slavic language except in Slovenia. I believe some Polish cities in Pomeriania and Schlesia use ja instead of da but most poles use da, while most Slovenes don't.
-The Venetian theory, this one is a lot more wacky, it states that Slovenes are the direct descendents of the ancient Venetians, the people that sailed the entire mediteranian sea, established themselves in Istra, many greek island, Crimea and some coastal regions in Turkey and the levant. I honestly don't know how this one is justified, it's pretty common knowledge that Italy stole a lot of historically and ethnically Slovene land from us, the land collectiveley known as Furlanija or Fiume in Italian, maybe the venetian theory is just going over the board to pay back to those Italians idk XD
Great video, love from Slovenija!
CORRECTIONS: It would appear that many more slavs use words other than "da" for saying "yes". Poles, Czechs, Slovaks and Ukrainians seem to either use "ja" or "tak" for saying "yes".
If I made more mistakes than please tell me.
Slavs , germans same thing but veneti no they were there before these tribes migrated in central europe .
Around 42% of Slovenia's Population speaks German.
They're so obsessed with being Closer to the EU's Puppeteer that they're learning a new language over it.
@Zaid Diaz The term Austrian is actually quite confusing, reason being that Carinthia and Styria were lands settled by Slovenes that over time started speaking German, also there was a country called Carantania that was almost entirely positioned in modern day Austria yet we know that the main ethnic group were slavs, most likely the ones that became Slovenes but they didn't speak modern day Slovene, it is just assumed that what remained of Carantanians became Slovenes that were pushed southward to modern day Slovenia. Also that would explain the lingual transition from west slavic into Slovene into kajkavian (which is mostly serbo-croatian but has similarites to Slovene, most glaring example is saying "Kaj" instead of Šta/Шта, and then to Štokavian and Čakavian. Depends on how you look at the matter, either you believe Slovenes to be Germanised south slavs or you see southern Germans, Austrians as being mostly slavs that started speaking German, I've heard both of these explanations. Also Maria Theresia which was one of the most important Austrian rulers was supposedely Slovene.
@Zaid Diaz "Ja" means "I" in Serbo-Croatian.....
But due to the Language's Grammar, the word "I" can be kicked out of day to day Speech.
And, "Ja" can be re used.
German is an Optional Subject in both of the Public School i went in.
I live in Herzegovina, i went to Croat Schools because..... I am a croat by Ethnicity.
@Zaid Diaz NP! :D
Okay, let me present you the Albanian perspective on this:
1. It is incredibly hard to prove Illyrian ancestry through language, as the Illyrian language doesn't seem to be attested.
2. In terms of linguistics, the only way to relate Albanian with Illyrian is by connecting dots (e.g. Greek loanwords that must have entered what today is Albanian in antiquity, the Latinization of the Albanian vocabulary [60 - 70% of the daily Albanian vocabulary is of Latin origin, and keep in mind that it's the Latin that was spoken by the Romans during their conquest of Illyria], which subsequently must have replaced a big amount of Greek loans) or by process of elimination (Dacian theory unlikely due to Albanians not speaking a Romance language, even though the Dacians were fully Latinized by the times of the supposed migration of Albanians southwards).
3. This approach doesn't hold up to scientific standards and therefore, unless a miracle happens and some kind of extensive inscription is found, the Illyrian origins of Albanians will never be proven (or disproven) beyond a reasonable doubt vià linguistics.
4. As shown before, the Illyrian theory "makes a lot of sense", but other factors raise doubts: the lack of indigenous words relating to the maritime lifestyle of the Illyrians (though others would say that not all Illyrians, especially the ones that didn't live along the coast, practiced piracy and that would explain the absence of such words, considering that the Illyrians most likely didn't see themselves as "one people", therefore, differences between Illyrians from the coasts, from the inland, from the north and from the south must have existed).
So what is left? Genetics/genealogy. This is our only window in to the past, the only way to prove autochthony on the very lands Albanians inhabit, disproving every theory Albanians faced by their neighbors, especially by Serbia and their intellectual elite (for example the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts, SANU for short), that were used to deny the rights of Albanians to exist on certain parts of the Balkans or to even have a country of their own, by declaring them to be some kind of invader that were brought to the Balkans by the Turks, having the audacity to "occupy" Serbian soil.
Many Albanians use this as some kind of weapon to declare themselves superior to their (Slavic) neighbors, but that is not how it's supposed to be, as we shouldn't strive to become what we've suffered under. It's merely a defense mechanism, helping Albanians to disarm any anti-Albanian rhetoric in regards to their right to simply live in their lands. Genes don't lie. The Y-DNA and autosomal DNA of Albanian corresponds with Illyrian samples found in different burial sites in BiH and Croatia. Their DNA corresponds with that of Greeks and by extent, Ancient Greeks.
And again: This cannot and should not be used as an argument for the superiority of Albanians. This doesn't justify any claims. It's just a beautiful peek into the past. Being "proud" of your ancestry is okay, but don't use it in order to dehumanize your neighbors, as in the end of the day, me being of Illyrian ancestry doesn't get me any privileges, doesn't put food on my table and doesn't put money into my pocket. I'd rather we Albanians - actually all of the Balkans - would compete for economic, societal and intellectual "superiority". We are all plagued by corruption, economic instability and mass emigration of educated young people (an absolute brain drain)... so how's anyone superior, really? Two Balkanites arguing about who's superior is like two homeless people arguing about who's got the better cardboard box to sleep in, while standing in front of a villa.
Can you give me a source to that thing about Albanians having the same DNA as ancient Illyrians ?
@@antoniochiodi4183 The study is called "A genomic history of southeastern europe" and it mentions that haplogroups r1b, j2b and e1b1 were prevelant among bronze age individuals from Bosnia, Croatia and other former Yugoslav territories.
@@deni6085 That doesn’t seem very likely, considering that the I2 chromosome is the one original of the Southeast of Europe, but I’ll check it out.
@@antoniochiodi4183 Not about whether its likely or not, analysis on bodies from that time period and area shows that they were predominant in the region. There is also no such thing as a homogenous haplogroup in a region, since there will always be multiple genomes representing an area. Therefore, one group alone can't define a people from a region. Also, the genome I2a1a2b, aka the "Dinaric" group, does not originate in the Balkans but likely somewhere in the West part of Ukraine.
Linguists have said that, compared to Greek and Latin, Albanian language it's very old. It looks like we have a lot of Latin, since it was created by mostly Illyro/Pellasgian language, which Albanian has preserved most of it in it's originality.
I yesterday looked at your Channel an thought: „How nice would be a new video of Balkan Odyssey?“
Good video as always!
Serbian mapping *
He was literally called Serbian mapping a week ago
I can't understand us Balkans, we're the same, and we fight with each other. Let's order these theories that we are the oldest people, and that the whole world is ours. All the praise for the video you deserve and more than this success
Run by outsiders. That is the issue. We were too late to be independent so when we became independent from the Ottomans it was a joke. Romania, Bulgaria and Greece all had German or Astro German monarchs. Romania was to act against its interests of A&H held Transylvania, Bulgaria in second Balkan war attacked cause the German monarch wanted so and Greece wasted ww1 opportunity due to internal crap involved with the king. You see if we were a unified league and no second Balkan war and Bulgaria on entente side the central powers wouldve been buried under the carpet by 1916. That is all due to the fact that in real history the A&H and Ottomans both got lucky Bulgaria joined their side. Otherwise joining Entente couldve ment quickly amassing a 1m force of entente troops in front of the Ottoman capital. It be surrounded and dealt with within 3 months as the entente forces got far superior navy too. Rest of Ottoman territory can be collected later as it wont posses the ability to do shit within 6 months of ww1. A&H not only wont be able to conquer Serbia but the hundreds of thousands of French and British troops be reaching the frontline and will be supported by another force of hundreds of thousands Bulgarian soldiers and they ms hold it. But what happens when the troops from the Ottoman theatre of war turn north? Be getting smashed into peaces. Wow Romania wont be getting conquered in this alt history either. Imagine how the Balkan league may look by 1935. The third Reich wont be doing whatever they like with Yugoslavia and Greece. Italy wont bother to even step in. Too talentless in war
LOL, do you think Scots, English and Irish get along without problems? Do you think the Scandinavian's don't fight each other? How about Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Poland? Belgium, Spain and even Italy have separatist movements because they see themselves as separate groups crammed into the same borders. EVERYONE is tribal, so it has always been and so it will always be. The only thing that forces people to ignore differences is a common enemy that threatens them from outside, the moment that enemy disappears, peoples splinter as we have seen from the USA since the collapse of the USSR. Suddenly there are Irish-Americans, Mexican-Americans, Somali--Americans, German-Americans etc and so on it splinters until the whole country finally balkanizes.
We dont fight to Much only sum Countrys like Bulgaria and Macedonia might argue but thats about it same with Greece Croatia and slovenia have good relations Croatia and Bosnia dont fight Croatia and Serbia were fighting but now they are calm bosnia with croatia is good with slvenia is good with montenegro and Albania is good with serbia is not Good
Serbia doesnt like Bosnia kosovo Albania and croatia also likes to claim kosovo and montenegro
Romania has good relations with everyone appart from kosovo withc it doesnt recognise
Greece has good relations with Serbia
And all balkans in General they just dont recognise kosovo
Montenegro is 50/50
North macedonia with Albania have good relations even if they fought albanian seperatist
I can now see, through your comment, that communism (socialist democracy) is basically the best thing for the Balkans.
You missed the theory about Bosniak Illyrian origin, coupled with an idea that Serbian and Croatian languages originated from Bosnian, which would make all the Slavic languages Illyrian in origin.
You could say that Slavic languages are influenced by the Illyrian, but you can never say that Slavic language is Illyrian. Southern Slavic languages can be traced to modern day Ukraine.
@xNAJAFx a lot of them lolz infact there isnt an existing illyrian language and never existed. it can all be traced back to protoslavic and the opposite.
well its hard to say but the problem is that Illyrians didn't just spawn on Balkan they also migrated here only a few thousand years before slavs that also came from the territory of Poland Ukraine and Russia so for that territory to be to that would have to mean that slavs went from Adriatic coast of Dalmatia all the way to Russia
@@lovacnadrolje9030 1 Jezik,, 1 Srpsko-Hrvatski.
@xNAJAFx most of the theory about Illyrians is just that, a theory. We don't really know who were Illyrians, what exact region they lived in, what tribes were related (Illyrian), what was Ilyrian language and etc.
I was called a Turk/ gypsy by a croat who is darker then me?:)
Bruh
India call me gypsy im whitte than Indian india one who create gypsy not 🇽🇰 or Kroacia
@@berewatson6448 Serbia the only country that has a flag for it's region (:
@@aleklja9036 you forgot Cyprus
same hahaha
I join the comments with praise for the entire not too long show. I see the informative sequence of events, I see the problems in the Balkans but I do not see how "Genetics" retaliates or helps people live better. Genetics is a scientific product, not a political or philosophical opinion. and a request for another show like this as a sequel to this topic.Pooozzz
Huh funny man, black sun haha planet go booom
Check out you're username. Oh the irony.
@@Silver_Prussian Degrelle, it looks as if I am shitting.
This is the strong sperm. Greek god, greek god, OK?
If you had Greek god you would win but you lose!
Good analysis and video. But in the case of Montenegro, those people were considered Serbs for most of Serbian history since settling in the Balkan peninsula. And now many consider themselves both Serbs and Montenegrins. Another big chunk considers itself serbs. A very small minority (around 10% from what I have gathered) thinks that they're Montenegrins and that is separate from being a serb. The same way a Serb from Shumadia considers oneself both Serb and Shumadian, or a Serb from Bosnia both Bosnia and Serb. Those are simply regions on the peninsula.
Or compared to ancient Greece, there were Athenians, Spartans, Corinthians etc., but they were all Greeks. Or the way ethnically Austrians are actually Germans. This modern creation of new nations (I say nations, not new states as the case Austria/Germany clearly shows that one nation can have two states) makes no sense, because if we go by the logic of borders defining and making new nations, then all of Germany should be divided in hundreds of small nations (just look at the map of the Holy Roman Empire). But no one today is calming that Bavarians are not Germans and are a separate nation, or that Cyprians are not Greeks.
Great video as always. It was a pleasure
Can you make a video about Hungary too? It would be very interesting to see my home with your eyes!
Thank you in advance!
Magyar vagyok nem turista!
üdvözlet Vajdaságból :)
@@zorandjipanov6492 A legjobb érzés volt (turistaként) Belgrádban délvidékiekkel véletlenül koccanni! :)
@@andrascsepregi4154 sok magyar él Szerbiában. Egész életemben voltak magyar barátaim, így tőlük tanultam beszélni :)
idk how you managed to talk about communism in a video about genetics
@Zaid Diaz wtf an example of shit genetics, a gyspy who thinks he is greek, Alexander was macedonian
@Zaid Diaz Macedonians are not bulgarians, cry your ass about it
It's not just video about genetics.
It's stupidity and ultra nationalism behind it.
And socialism and comunism are oposing these ideas.
That's why comunism and socialism is only cure for this midlle age ideology ( i'm talking about nationalism ).
Capitalist propagand for some fucking reason has made us somehow hate each other
@Zaid Diaz cry
About the Albanian origin
I never thought about it and i never care up untill I started hearing Serbs nationalists calling me an immigrant form caucasia
This got me curious and i have been trying to understand the real origin of Albanian
One of the main ways to study populations is by studying their languages, this is how we understood that Slavic, German, Latin, Iranian are all Indo-European languages and they all have the same origin in current day causaia
Studies on the Albanian language point to the fact that Albanian is a proto-balcanic language
It Albanian developed form Illyrian, Dancian, Thracian or another language spoken in the region that we have no recordings of
Studying loanwords is a great way to understand how languages, people and tribes interacted with each other
The "Handbook of Comparative and Historical Indo-European Linguistics" says:
"It is a characteristic feature of the Albanian language to be open to loan-words from various sources. The oldest stratum is found in Ancient Greek loans, which result from contacts between Greeks and speakers of Proto-Albanian from about 600 BCE onward. Subsequent to the Roman occupation of the Balkans, Proto-Albanian was heavily influ- enced by Latin."
This shows that Albanian developed from in the region
Whether it developed form Illyrian, Thracian, Dancian or another undocumented language is very hard to tell since those languages didn't have written records
There are some people that use the similarities between Messapic and Albanian to say Albanian is 100% an Illyrian language
This is hard to tell, we don't have other Illyrian languages to compare Messapica to and we currently don't know that much Messapic itself, we don't even know for sure if it was an Illyrian tribe or not since
There are also the Dardania or the Albanoi and Albanopolis mentioned by Ptolemy but it is hard to tell whether those are real connections or mere coincidence
What is the Albanian origin?
I don't know for sure
I can only tell you that Albanian is a proto-balcanic language
Descendent form Illyrian, Thracian, Dancian or another undocumented tribe
Albanians are autochthonous to the region and the theories about Albanian migration are all false
Being autochthonous don't give claims to lands tho
We don't know where Albanians lived 2600 years ago or even 2000 years ago
The Albanians were first mentioned in 1100 by Byzantine empire because they formed the Principality of Arbor
This is the first time we see a clearly see where Albanians lived
The fact that Albanians lived in this principality doesn't mean that there weren't Albanians outside of it
So yeah it is hard to tell
I don't like to use the Albanian autoctonicity argument to clam land "Saying it is rightfully ours"
That is just another type of historical claim and i my option it doesn't really work well
People currently living in a place should have the right to decide what they want
If Albanian form Kosovo want to unite with Albanian
Fine
It Serbs form Kosovo want to unite with Serbia
Fine at the end of the day we fought a war too because we didn't want to say with the and we should not force others too
www.google.it/books/edition/Handbook_of_Comparative_and_Historical_I/SuR8DwAAQBAJ?hl=it&gbpv=1&dq=isbn:9783110542431&printsec=frontcover
Thanks for the comment one of the best I ever saw.
Every human wants a sense of belonging, a family. Every human wishes to know his origin.
Pakistan is origin🇵🇰☪️💪🏼
I am a Jugoslav/Bosniak and i love all my slav brothers and sister.Smrt fašizmu i nacionalizmu drugovi!
I am Serbian and I think the same. I see just people not nations.
Its very simple, the reason all claim ancient roots and genetics is provide justification for expanssion teritory claim. "We are the direct descendants of this ancient kingdom whos territory spanned half the globe, thus we should have claim to all these unjustly taken terrioties" Thats all there is to it.
Tons of respect to you! I love how your words narrate the problem, but the footage shows the beauty of all these countries. Hope is never too for Balkan people to finally understand they’re all brothers and sisters and embrace each other ❤
Keep In mind that all of the People claiming they know what is the True genetic origin of their nation don't know anything about genetics!!
@Roza Huber virgin spotted
@@nicolascage8015 sigma comment
As Bosniak by father and Macedonian by mother,I decided to do DNA test by "iGENEA" and result is:"Ancient Germanic Peoples" and "Slavs" ... On my question to my Macedonian grandpa about "Germanic" DNA,he told me:"By your Bosniak father you have 'Germanic" DNA.They are "Goths" mixed with native people "Illiryans",so called "Slavs" by "Panslavists" ... Interesting
To any British person that has problems with the Croatian-Illyrian/Goth theory, what's your stance on British being descendants of Celts? Are you Celts native to the island, or are you descendants of Roman settlers, or maybe German through the Saxons? Or perhaps Norse through the Vikings and Anglo and Jut linage?
Not British, but the English see themselves as Anglo-Saxon. Welsh as celtic-roman, and Scots and Irish as celtic. Genetically English were the ones most conquered by Anglo Saxons (germanic blood), the Welsh and others resisted. When the Norman's came they also mostly ruled over English and they brought germanic blood which was the same thing when the Danes( germanic blood) came and established Dane law and Danegeld mostly on territory of England
The Albanians are been mentioned in 6AD from Stefan Byzant II when he arrived in Avalon ( today Vlore). And our name comes from an iliryan tribe in central Albania.
But isn't your name shqiptari? As far as I'm aware you are called Albanians only by other nations (my guess was because of the white mountain)
@@nonames9935 Shqiptar( Eagle) is the name we call ourselves same as greeks call themselves helen.
@@bujar414 yes ik that's why I asked.
@GrabMoney we called our self in the middle age arbër/arbaner
@@bujar414 it's not the same as the greeks ,hellenes comes from a myth in ancient greece the name hellene belonged to a king whose descendents are the greeks and the English name greek comes from the grekoi ,an ancient greek tribe
My 3rd comment but anyway, Serbs are on average almost 60 % of Slavic descent, the rest is Paleo-Balkan. And again, turns out that I2a indeed must be identified with the Slavic migrations from the 6th and 7th century, very uncommon haplogroup in Italy and no remains with I2a from Illyrians were found.
You need to watch the video again. You didn't get the point.
odličan odgovor
As albanian you are right, the serbs score with the montenegrin the highest percentage of paleobalkanic dna among the south slavs
This is such a great video explaining why a lot of things that happened happened!
I'm glad you liked it, thank you.
If we analyze the peoples who live in south balkans include(South Serbia Kosovo North Macedonia Montenegro Albania Greece Bullgaria Dobruja region in Romania and europian part of Turkey) by genetics most of them are descends of the peoples who lived in Balkans before Roman Invazion of Balkans include Illyrians Thracians and Hellens etc
My Croatian grandparents believed the Persian theory, it's so bizarre. For all this emphasis on Central Asian migrant origins, it's a tragic irony the Roma are still so vilified throughout the Balkans.
I can empathise with how my illiterate peasant family would cling to these silly ideas, given that their education was denied them by protracted and brutal wars. On reflection I think it served a wide range of psychological purposes for them under the victim status umbrella. It aligned them with what they perceived as more tolerant and 'mystical' Shia and against the Sunni Ottoman occupiers, disavowed the Gothic theory promoted by the Ustase, the Slavic theory weaponised by Italy under Mussolini (my family is from Dalmatia), and a sentimentalised identification with Shah Pahlavi's Iran, since they had recently escaped a communist autocracy themselves. So much mental gymnastics is a result of generational trauma :(
Croatians are aryans sarmatians mixed with slavs goths turkic tribes albanians italians
Man, the Bulgarian one is just... First of all the Thracian theory is really old and in modern times it had been dismissed completely. But the genetic studies show that there is a large Eastern Mediterranean genetic footprint in Bulgarians. It's logical that when slavs arrived they assimilated the local peoples. In Bulgarian history is well known that in the begging of the Bulgarian kingdom different peoples were not intermixing and it took great effort to do that. First unified rule of law under Krum, one single religion under Boris I(christianity) and eventually the cultural reform that made Old Bulgarian(also known as Old Church Slavic) the official language of the state and church. The whole process lasted 3 centuries and and we all know that this is the time when the modern Bulgarian nation was created 7th-10th century. The Macedonian question has nothing to do with the thracians... It was about the unifications of the Bulgarian nation, look at it even linguistically Macedonian and Bulgarian languages have significant differences from the other Slavic ones. The capital of the Bulgarian tsardom was in Macedonia for a century, most people there in the 19th century were seeing themselves as Bulgarian e.t.c
And from Serbian perspective you can make also strong argument for relation with modern Macedonians. Center of power of several principalities was in Macedonia, capitol of Serbian Empire also was in Macedonia, language is related to archaic form of Serbian (and even today many Macedonians say that it is easier for them to understand Serbian than Bulgarian).
Macedonians have custom of Slava which is not found among Bulgarians but is wide spread in Serbia and it is passed from generation to generation patrilineally etc.
Truth is probably in between as situation is murky where ever ethic lines meet especially if those lines go back to medieval times when ideas of nationhood were bit different.
In the end all Serb and Bulgarian arguments fall mute as Macedonians see them selves as separate ethnicity and that is what is important in the end.
@@drarsen33 it is easier nowadays for them because they were isolated from Bulgaria in the last several decades.Which was not the case after the liberation from Ottoman empire. I am from Sofia and ironically half of my friends there are Maceodinians also one friend from Dimitrovgrad - from each every one of them I have heard the same statement - that they understand easier Bulgarian and they are hardly understood by other nations in ex Yugoslavia includingly Serbians as they just speak differently - they simply speak Bulgarian language. For me and almost all of my Bulgarian speaking friends is the same - we have no issues with communicating with them, but suffer with all the rest languages there includingly Serbian. And the biggest fun comes when they come for EU passports - all of a sudden they all PROVE that their grandparents are actually Bulgarian.
@@Nikince How can the son be older than the father? No bulgar grandparents in macedonians, but many macedonian grandparents in bulgarians. Because they migrated from aegean and vardar macedonia after balkan wars in bulgaria. The name for modern bulgaria and bulgarians is from turkic tribes bulgars from asia. While the name for macedonians is from region of macedonia unchanged for millenia. Its all logic. Why no macedonians look for similarities/cousins outside of ethnic macedonia? While i've seen bulgarians looking for bulgars in ukraine, besarabia, volga/tatarstan region and similatiries with colors of flag green white and red with flags in asian places?
how is it possible that you have less than 1mil subscribers.
this kind of material should be shared as much as posibble. at least to spark a bit of critical thinking through these people poisoned with separatism & nationalism.
keep up with such content, good luck! 👍
Jer mu je vecina stvari sranje i cisti narativ. Nigdje neke znanstvene studije ili izvorni materijale. Samo on prica svoju pricu i kako bi htio da je.
Illyirans and Slavs is one people!
My genetic is Serbian from Medun in Montenegro I2A.
Migration of Slavs is not was, Slavs land is from Thessaloniki to river Lab and odra with Moscow!
You're a slav
@@arrabona916 And you're an Indonesian.
@@DacLMK Nice one, but genetic studies disagree.
@@arrabona916 Either way I personally don't care what I am. To me the individual matters, not what ethnicity or genetic makeup is.
@@DacLMK don't care, + don't LARP, chud.
13:13 Bosnia already had all that, and was historical state, like 1000 years ago. That man did not create Bosnia, nor was Bosnia created by breakup of Yugoslavia what you trying to say in this video.
One thing that is sure is that today's Bosniaks, in large part, were once Serbs and Croats who converted to Islam. On the other hand that was so long ago that they developed their own national identity. That's how all others nationalities get created. by separation and individual growth. Francs were germanic tribe. Key word, WERE.
It's literally the opposite, but go off dude. There's no such thing as a "bosniak". There are only bosnians, which came first, and serbs and croats came after them. But of course, bosnians love to participate in their own oppression and believe such lies.
Balkan is a complex place. In my opinion Croatians are the best while Serbians and Albanians are less appealing. I never really have got a good moment from them, very rude and arrogant meetings. They think they are best but still have an inferiority complex and get salty if you point out anything negative about them. Only few have been nice. I don't dislike them but i don't like them either.
Thanks for judging entire people groups on a few personal experiences you don’t are not one bit better than those individuals you scrutinize
I watched the video twice, I was surprised how much it catered to people who don't want to know anything. Genetics is quite an exact science and not easy to manipulate. Four nations have similar genetics (Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks and Macedonians - a mixture of Haplogroups I2 (35-50%), R1a (15-20%), R1b (5-10%), E (10-15%) and they are related to Bulgarians, Romanians and Hungarians. Albanians have different genetics, they are dominated by haplogroup E (35-50%), R1b (20%) , J (10-20%) and I2 (5-15%).
Haplogroup I2 is originally European and is 35000 years old, Haplogroup E is originally African and the oldest found human with this haplogroup was found in Spain and dates back to 5000 BC. The oldest sample of haplogroup E found near the Balkans was found in Moldova and dates back to 2000 BC. Before the Romans, there is no E haplogroup in the Balkans, and the samples found during Roman rule are of African origin, probably soldiers or slaves.
How am I just finding this channel? Balkan and class conscious youtuber - time to binge!
A bit of advice, take it if you will. Love the videos and the factual statements often made in your videos. But if you are trying to Educate people you might want to chill with the "Bourgeoise Elite" and similar idioms , it gives the content an unnecessary political note, and can easily serve as a way for people to discredit and criticize the very valid and very accurate information portrayed in a lot of your videos.
Not to sound combative, but it's the Deretic-ization :D of your personal view. Keep up the great work, rlly enjoying ur stuff.
I mean he's a marxist so
No, he has to educate you why private property is evil and the state (elite) should own everything instead.
@@metalbotanist6730 No one will take your toothbrush, calm down.
Serbs being Illyrians is a joke that never gets old 🤣
What is the connection? I don't really see any despite trying hard to find evidences.
Why can't serbs admit that albos are much more ancient in Balkans than them and highly likely to be illyrians? There's nothing wrong with that. For example turks know that they conquered their current lands and not only they don't deny that but they are actually proud.
The thraco-illyrian theory for albanians can be backed up by similarity in words (not to be found in slavic languages) also in mythology and traditions that survive even up to this day.
Slavic people came from beyound Carpathian mountains according to ancient historians.
Albanians come from some Thraco-Illyrian tribes.
Everyone is happy.
I am Bosnian ("Muslim" but most in family are secular) and took a dna test, turns out i don't have a drop of turk or middle eastern blood and am only 11% Slav. Im mostly regional Bosnian, dinaric alp Italian, and Croatian. My Bosnian relatives who are practicing Muslims don't want to believe these results. Very interesting and showcases how much of the Balkan is trying to claim some sort of identity while denying others theirs sometimes. Glad i found this channel.
Croats are Slavs though.
You can't be ethnically muslim. Unlike being ethnically jewish (bc being jewish is both an ethnicity and religion) islam is only a religion. Islam just means you believe in an imaginary sky daddy named Allah and that's it. There's no gene that could tell you whether you're a muslim or not. Bosnians who self-identify as muslims are literally just actively participating in their own oppression. They've been fed a lie that they "must" have some turkish DNA (hint: they don't) by nationalistic serbs whose whole goal was to *other* them from their own slavic roots. Bosnians are genetically slavic, speak a slavic language (which I might add, their dialect resembles Ukrainian and Russian, aka protoslavic, way more than the serbian or croatian or montenegrin dialect), and their tradition is also slavic.
And this is supported by science. There's a reason why every time a bosnian does a DNA test, it always tells them their roots are from other slavic countries, and never any middle eastern countries.
I'd advise you to stop participating in your own oppression and calling yourself "muslim" (even in quotation marks) because you're not. It's a lie that your oppressors want you to believe.
So you dont have to be muslim anymore
Dolazeći od nekog koji je sam proglasio da je Marksist, ne znači puno... 😬
Uf kako si me razvalio...
@@BalkanOdyssey_ Slab odgovor. Znam da nisi glup pa bi sigurno mogao bolje odgovoriti
I laughed so hard when an Albanian said "Slavs are not indigenous on the Balkans". As if Balkan was an isolated island in the middle of an ocean, and not an barely peninsular corner of an relatively small continent. Absurdity. I love all people and see all Balkan people as my close relatives, my people, from the Greeks to the Slovenes. ❤ Love each other, Love thy neighbours.
Linguistics, oral history, written history and genetics prove how much this video is missing.
You don't get the point, do you. Those exact things don't matter in relation to the material interests of the working population. They're merely tools of the ruling class to divide and conquer.
Some of these, especially those mentioned in the Serbian and Albanian sections of this video, have reminded me of my maternal uncle.
In the last few years, he really fell into a conspiratorial rabbithole.
Some examples of his believes that I have fished out of some posts I made in a Discord server's vent chat:
- He believes that symbols like the swastika and what Serbs call "the 4 Ss" originated in Lepenski Vir.
- That the whole Slav and Indo-European naming conventions were invented by Germans in the XVI century Vienna school to make themselves look superior, ancient and rightful people of the land. Or something along those lines.
- That at least half of modern-day Albanians, the Shqiptari (named after how the Albanians call themselves), being a collection of 19 Caucasian, Middle Eastern, African and Indian tribes settled by the Habsburgs in the region in the 18th-19th centuries, largely replacing the Arbanashes (named after how the Albanians were called by neighboring nations in medieval times), whom he sees as Illyrian/Slavic Serbs.
- He has a generally anti-western and specifically anti-Germanic stance too.
- That the Illyrians, Triballians, Thracians and Dacians were one people and that the only difference between them and South Slavs is that the former fell to Rome and the letter didn't.
- That Proto-Indo-Europeans called themselves Serbs, and that they originated in the central Balkans, with some of them migrating east towards India, and then some of those returning to Balkans and Europe a few millennia later, the latter being the "actual event" of what mainstream history sees and Indo-European migrations.
- He also sometimes makes homophobic comments, including him believing homosexuality to be a relatively recent, Western invention. (For obvious reasons, he remains one of the few relatives I'm yet to come out as pan to, and the only one I have no intention of coming out to any time soon).
- He also doesn't believe that humans are related to apes, as he sees this, as well as evolution as a whole, as an invention by the elite to control the masses more easily. Like, "if we aren't any more important than monkeys, than why bother asserting your personal freedoms?" seems to be his arguement.
- Oh, and did I mention that he's a flat-earther?
- He also believes that there is an old Serbian calendar which has some now lost/unknown, but important event in the latter half of the 6th millennium BCE as year 0.
- He also sees the Iron Gates/Lepenski Vir culture as much larger than it actually was and sees it as peaceful, welcoming, hospitality culture (the former obviously wrong, but the latter might've been true for all we know) and says that the Serbs inherited such a culture, but that the Albanians, who claim to be the last remaining population of pre-Roman Balkaners, don't have such a culture.
Whatever this conspiratorial rabbithole is, it took my uncle away from me and much of the extended family. And we want him back. But it doesn't seem we'll see him out of that rabbithole anytime soon.
Is your uncle miroljub petrovic?
No.
@@bvthebalkananarchistmapper5642 but he can be
@@norekrasniqi2482 his uncle is mirobased basedrovic
@@norekrasniqi2482 He certainly isn't, but after googling who Miroljub Petrović is, I wouldn't be surprised if Miro was one of the sources of my uncle's conspiracies.
Well.the Serbs ,and also the other south Slavic people's, definitely do have certain amount of ancient ilyric blood,They are actually mix of, native mostly romanized population they encounteed on the Balkan's when they arrived there, and of South Slavic tribe's, original,Serbs and Croats.
Ironically this video didn’t talk about any genetics… the entire Balkans are more or less a mix indigenous paleo-Balkan people and Slavs (with minor elements of Germanic, Celtic, west Asian dna).
Some of these concepts are just misunderstood, not really “wild theories” for example the Iranian theory.
It’s not that Croats descend from Iranians or Scythians, it’s that a Scythian tribe may have come to dominate a larger group of Slavs who eventually came to also call themselves by the Iranic tribal name. It’s not confirmed by any means but it’s possible.
Foreign military classes existed among many unrelated ethnic groups which they gave their names to: Russ, Bulgars, Normans, among them - Serbs and Croats may be the same.
As for Albanians considering their heavy paleo Balkan input they probably are mostly descended from Illyrians or whatever tribes existed in or near Albania. North Macedonia are more paleo-Balkan than they are Slavic (60/40 if I recall correctly). And it’s very likely their ancestors mixed a lot with ancient Macedonians, while not being their direct descendants.
Likewise the Bulgars, Serbs and others have clear Mediterranean input from the Thraco-Illyrian natives. (Typically around 50%).
Fun fact: DNA analysis can't differentiate between people from Hungary and people from Serbia.
Let that sink in for a minute and maybe you will regain some sanity.
It means that the Avarian Khanate which the comprising factor were Slavs with q Haplogroup Mongol overlord remained slavic (purely racially, some might consider themselves Avar especially in the late stage of the Khanata when even the mongrelised royalty carried more slavic genetics than of their mongol forefathers). Same happened with the arrival of Magyars, and all those slavs are now known as Hungarians.
@@nonames9935 lmao?
True for me on gedmatch. My mom is from southeastern Hungary and my dad was a Romanian from northwestern Serbia, Romanian Banat region, and my results in gedmatch out me as Serbian first, Romanian second, and Hungarian is usually fifth in the list, Croatian usually forth. Where did you get this information, it sounds like you know more about that.
@@nonames9935 Hungarians are just Magyarised Balkan Slavs, Balkan Slavs are just Slavicised Illyrians. Illyrians are just Illyrianised Pre - Indo - Europeans. Pre - Indo - Europeans are just cultured European caveman, European caveman are just migrant African caveman, African caveman are just smart Homo erectus, Homo erectus are just vertical monkeys.
@@nickandrei51 South eastern hungarian can plot like balkan as fuck... Iam from western hungary and Iam close to austrians.
Serbs were always allies of Illyrians. We considered each other brothers. Unfortunately the over throw of Albanians by ottomans was the same misfortune for Serbs and why everyone is confused and really forgot their Illyrian roots be it by blood or brotherhood. Serbs prove you can still be “Christian” country with ottoman Muslim mindset. Serbs don’t act like “western” civilizations to prove otherwise. They are also Eastern ideology.
great topic and a great video! i also want to say i like your political growth and transition! you are on the right side ❤
Lol.
my brother is a white gypsy orthodox Christian with slavic name who can't be distinguished from "ethnic" Serbs, DOES THAT RING A CERTAIN BELL OR SOMETHING
God damn i love this videos.
[enter Balkan nation here] : we are the first nation in the world, with 10 million years of history and all empires in the last millenium have conspired against us.
As a austrian historian, i have to say that as the current evidence shows the illyrian-albanian theory seems to be true and is accepted by most independent western historians. That still doesnt make them genetically superior, but I as a historian think that we need to shed more light on the true history, in order to prevent future nationalistic thinking.
In latin ilyrica or ilyricum means albanian so albabians ARE ilyrians
That thw point of the video, even if albanians are illyrian dont make theme superior to anyone else in the balkan, same for the other balkan nation
@@SmarzyClip no it doesn't make them supirior in any way. But just saying albanians are turk or from the kaukasus is just straight up wrong factually.
@@pepperino-hotterino i know, iam albanian myself and when some brainwashed serb/greek says that we are from the caucasus i get pretty angry, then i give up and think that these people are frustrated who try in every way to dehumanize us
In school we were learned that south Slavs immigrated from central EU to the Balkans.
Condescending tone is not evidence for anything.
This is very superficial analysis.
Bad video.
I agree. He criticised everybody and never came up with the "truth". So whay is the truth, according to him?
@@vericacvetkovic9093
And look who got most time getting criticized...
That's right, Serbs.
Others much shorter and it is there just for covering his auto-chauvinism. It almost always goes together with Marxism...
Bosniaks were existing 1000 years ago they were not established in the 90s.
We were oppressed last 200 years from Catholic Austria to the Serbo Croatian Yugoslavia!
You were oppressed moslty by Turks who your ancestors faught, who took your children as devshirme, who took your people as jannisaries, who impaled Christians, who charged taxes unless you converted to Islam. And no you were not Bosniaks, your ancenstors mostly had Serbian & Croatian names and that's what most of them were. Bosnia was a territory that expanded, it was never an ethnicity.
So in Bosnian theories the Dubrovcani nation exists because once were city state called Dubrovnik, like once were Bosnia kingdom, paganija, Travunija, Zeta, Liburnia, lol, even Dalmatia had some almost state kingdom status, so is that some separate nation Dalmatians?? Tomorrow we will have nation Slavonci, Sumadinci,Sremci, Banatians, Zagorci......
I was called a "dirty balkan gypsy" by an asian. Wow.
Based
@Zaid Diaz East asia. I was on a racist east asian sub full of incels who whine about asian men not dating enough
@@Veriox22 There's a 50% chance that the Sub was in Japan, 40 for China, and 10% for South Korea.
@Zaid Diaz Jesus Christ I had no idea they were like that. Really shows what the internet's fascination with Asia is able to cover up.
gypsies originally come from asia
the berlin school states that the slavs migrated from Poland* and Ukraine to the Balkans, not from Russia and Ukraine. East slavs expanded eastward from their original position in Ukraine.
If Albanians aren’t Illyrians we are at least paleobalkan like the Greeks and Romanians❤️✝️🇦🇱🇬🇷🇷🇴☦️❤️
🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴
@@gggfunvt61 ❤️❤️
@@ulanten892 romanians are
@@ulanten892 they speak a Romance language it don’t change dna☠️ just like how Albania became half latinized they have their Balkan dna and not Italian
Please explain Persian Illyrian “indo-Europeans” and Kalash people from Kashmir, India who are considered “white” Indians from Illyrian descent from Illyrian warriors settling there during their missions with Alexander the Great. What about the fact that many Roman Empires considered themselves as either of Illyrian blood or of Illyrian brotherhood that established Hagia Sophia in Constantinople from Roman Emperor Constantine? Illyrians are not a “supremacy” group that is the real obsession of peoples minds in fear of God. Illyrian blood is fact.
Love ur content bro
15:40 Doctor Odyssey has spoken.
Lol
Ahhh yes the thing that people like socialist,vegans and all kind of activists do but wait why i dont feel bad i cant feel this realization, dude i dont need to scream or yell at someone neither do i need a cult to know that my nation and all balkan nations are one of the greatest nations to ever exist and to the dissapoint of some people i know what overconfidence means i dislike people who have this self hating view of the world
I samo da znaš ozmačavati svaku malu stvar kao 'nazi' ili 'pseudoscience' nije argument lol.
This is what happens when you had a large family and then each decided to listen a different type of music. Fast forward few centuries and here where we are…..
Wtf Bulgarians don't think we are thracians we never claimed so
Judging from ''Tatar Khan'' you've been using (t)here, I'd also say You are Not!
Being 50% Yugoslav (of all Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, Montenegrin and North Macedonian origins combined), I must say, I take great pleasure in watching your videos
When people started feeling insecure and insignificant this is what happens
@noot noot here comes that insecure guilty baltic😁
@noot noot all eastern European low life simps are same
Well the iranian one for croat is kinda funny bcs the languga shares alot of similar iraninan words and they can be umderstud with little variation.
Othervise, its commonly leared in school that we are a slavic tribe that came to the exact location around the end of 8th cencury.
Other theorys are not mentioned alot, only rarly you hera about them if they find some proff or evidence to give it a bit more legitimy, but thats all.
Incorrect about Bosnia. You didn't mention that most population there were religion named "Bogumil", which the Eastern and Western churches declared as apostasy, so the theory that they are Serbs and Croats is a waste, but there were expelled Bogumili from Serbia and Croatia, who moved to Bosnia ,so population is mixed.You also didn’t mentions where the word Bosniak originally comes from, which is the Boshnyan (Bošnjani) used for the inhabitants of Bosnia.
Comments from a random Greek who just happened to watch part of this video:
1. Not again this ridiculous story about the Illyrians. The Illyrians were some dumb barbaric pirates, always ruled by the Greeks and the Romans. Why would anyone wanting to be their descendant? Their most noteworthy deed was when they had an uprising against Rome and were all massacred.
2. I will not pretend to be an expert on Slavic history but why are all these countries trying so hard to connect to some of the ancient civilizations that lived in the Balkans.
3. Nobody will earn extra lands if they claim to have ancestors who used to own these areas. If that was the case, then Greece and Italy would pretty much own all of the Mediterranean.
4. Sometimes we must think before we blindly adopt some ridiculous theories. The theory that the Illyrians were Alania's ancestors or that Alexander the Great was a Slav and is somehow related to the modern day country of North Macedonia are just as absurd as the story of that Serb guy who was the father of all people.
5. History is the one and only judge of our ancestry. For example have we ever found anything written in Albanian that dates before the 11th century? If we haven't then our best guess if that the Albanians somehow arrived in the 11th century. The same goes for everyone. Are there any Greek/Roman sources that mention anything about the Slavs before the Byzantine times? If not then the Slavs arrived during the Byzantine times.
6. Most people from the Balkans blame us Greeks, for not wanting our country to be associated with the Balkans at all.
And yet when a creator from the Balkans makes a video about the Balkans rarely includes us. I guess when you people talk about the Balkans you take more into consideration your shared culture (Slavs and communist past) and not the actual geography, which makes parts of Greece actually Balkan but anyway....
1. The biggest war the Roman empire ever had was against Ilyrians in the Pannonian area. Pannonia is the home area of nealry every West slavic nation nowaydays.
2. Todys new Haplogroups show that I2a Haplogroup is the oldest in Europe, wich is dominant among South Slavs and ancient Balkan people.
I2A Haplogroup originated some time around 26,000-31,000 BCE. It originated in Europe and developed into several main subgroups.
4. The Macedonian king Alexander the Great was not understood by the Greeks when he shouted an order in his native tongue and the Greek commander Eumenes needed a translator to address the soldiers of the Macedonian phalanx.The Greek orators Thrasymachus of Chalcedon and Demosthenes of Athens called Macedonian kings like Archelaus and Philip II "barbarians", which prima facie means that they did not speak Greek. Herodotus also relates the incident of the participation of Alexander I of Macedon in the Olympic Games in 504 or 500 BC where the participation of the Macedonian king was contested by participants on the grounds that he was not Greek. Those are GREEK HISTORIANS writing about Alexanders Tribe.
5. Ask any Russian, Ukraine, Polish, and other Slavs were they come from.... they will point to the Balkans, Pannonia or south to the Carpathians, thats how they learn history. It makes no sense that Slavs came from nowhere and all of a sudden within 50 years dominated the Balkans and nothing Ilyrian exists anymore, while Romans went with them to war for so long.
Why would Ilyrians 300BC call mountians by slavic Gods like Perun?
Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus is the most common source of the Slavic Invasion, but he was totally wrong translated, Revolt was translated as Invasion, thats why not even Vienna (the first ones to teach that) accepts the Invasion theory anymore becasue there are nearly no sources.
The name Ilyrian is just a Roman name like they gave to Germans, but Germans never called themselves Germans but Deutsche.
6. Most Greeks act like Albanians when it comes to Slavic history in the Balkans, they say Slavs came in 7th century but cant name one source, wich means they only heard of something like that but never investigated on their own.
But todays haplogroup tests (google I2A) show that a lot history is falsificated like its always has been.
Fix your economy first then talk how ”great” you once were
I dont even said anything about Slavic greatness, im just saying that non Slavic People are writing Slavic History without ever knowing any sources. We Slavs for sure wont go to Germany or England and teach them their History.
@@Svarog187 biggest war was with the illyrians lol don't make us laugh it seems you are forgeting punic wars and literally every single war with germanic tribes you probably want to say biggest revolt but you are too dumb to say it i guess🤷
@@copah4537 even with our broken economy is better than the economics of kosovo and Albania combined poor Albania don't bite the hand that feeds you🤫🤫🤫
Deretic goes a bit too hammertime with his theories but why use him as the example? Why not disprove the studies and work of Milos milojevic? His assertions is what birthed the Serb autochthonous school.
Also if you’re weak and get attacked then you are indeed a victim. The Balkans have been raped by outside powers for centuries, making them In fact a victim. Victim mentality is what we see now in the west, where people play the victim card for the smallest injustice even though they’ve profited from injustice for centuries
Say what you want about the rest but the Macedonian origin theory about Alexander is by far the funniest
You havent seen shit yet.
The Macedonian king Alexander the Great was not understood by the Greeks when he shouted an order in his native tongue and the Greek commander Eumenes needed a translator to address the soldiers of the Macedonian phalanx.The Greek orators Thrasymachus of Chalcedon and Demosthenes of Athens called Macedonian kings like Archelaus and Philip II "barbarians", which prima facie means that they did not speak Greek. ARGEAD DYNASTY- This is testified by Herodotus, in The Histories, where he mentions that three brothers of the lineage of Temenus, Gauanes, Aeropus and Perdiccas, fled from Argos to the Illyrians and then to Upper Macedonia. Herodotus also relates the incident of the participation of Alexander I of Macedon in the Olympic Games in 504 or 500 BC where the participation of the Macedonian king was contested by participants on the grounds that he was not Greek. Explain me plaese why GREEK HISTORIANS say this. If you want i give you more that Alexanders tribe was considered not Greek before he was even born.
@@Svarog187 you do realise modern Greek identity did not exist during Alexander’s time? No one was considered “Greek” because Greece did not exist. They were nation states
I believe Bulgarian ethnicity is very well explained with the rule of the first Christian knyaz Boris Michael 1st. He found his self ruling a federation of many tribes of different religions and languages. They couldn't cooperate due to their differences so he united everybody under one language and one religion since then Bulgaria is a title of honor to the Bulgars that although a small tribe manged to organize everyone under one nation.
Ok, so only balkans and eastern europeans are obssesed with genetics, germans, scandinavians and western europeans aren't?
True, everyone knows about genetics in today's time.
I JA KAO I SVI DRUGI TREBAMO ZABORAVITI STA JE BILO.ZNAM DA JE TESKO,ALI BRACO I SESTRE SLAVENI VRIJEME JE DA POCMEMO GLEDATI U BUDUCNOST.DA SHVATIMO DA NEMAMO NIKOG BLIZEG I SVE STO NAM SE DESAVALO U PROSLOSTI JE BILA IGRA NEKOG TRECEG ZA NEKAKAV PROFIT
0:07 South Slavs are not Eastern Europeans.
The Albanians have never used their history to gain land or persecute anyone because we are the oldest in that region
The croats who think they are gothic are so ridicolous
90 % of them are converted serbs. 😁
@@michaelpetrovich5353 What about the other 10%?
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They are not....🤣
@@cakeisyummy5755 Converted Turks but you won't ever catch them admitting it.
Let’s be honest the only people in all of Europe with even a trace of a claim on autochthony combined with ethnic distinctiveness are the Basques the rest of us are a bunch of mongrels with genetic and ethnic and cultural and linguistic inputs from any number of cultures and peoples who have trampled across the continent in the last few thousand years. The notion that genetics and ethnicity are somehow a claim on territory or of any sort of use to anyone except geneticists and those who study ancient history is absurd. We are all Europeans, and more importantly we’re all just humans.
Sorry Not albanians
Thanks for mentioning the linguistic analysis of Albanian, it’s a clear indicator that the Albanians do in fact descend from some Paleo Balkanic group, whichever group I couldn’t possibly care.
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