Do you need ND Filters on a Drone?
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Are ND filters useful for a drone? This video breaks down the purpose of an ND filter and goes through some different side by side samples to see how much they impact the footage. More info about Shutter Speed: • What is SHUTTER SPEED ...
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I think it would have been more helpful for us novices if the comparison clips were of the same scene. 3:00 it's kind of hard for me to tell the differences when I'm comparing two totally different scenes. Still really appreciate all the work you put into the content!
I'm a retired Hollywood cinematographer. Everything you said is spot on. There are a rew very limited use cases for ND filters, in which case, they're essential.
Otherwise, nobody notices, nobody cares. Especially, as you say, when viewed on a phone.
LOL just like this obsession with 4K
So ND filters are really not needed, esp on bright days?!
. My eyes tell me what I see. ND filters on Mini 3 and Air 3 a huge difference on bright days. Circling shots on landmarks.
I'm surprise that as retired Hollywood cinematographer you did not notice it is not 'apple to apple' setups what other people observed immediately about scene differences??? I hope this channel is not to 'influence' based on 'paid' campaigns??? (hidden or obvious). I say as not as 'experienced' bast way is just to test out yourself taking careful notes, and check on big screen outcome, not just phone. In a time, you will know what works best... Also I'd say having 'logs' you are free to change hue as well an easy way - another aspect of 'more professional and cinematic' setup (more warm colors).
Save me money. Thanks Jeven.
I did an Air 2s video in full sun at the beach with no ND and it nailed the exposure.
It would have been a more effective demo if the scenes with/without ND filters were the same. The light, clouds, terrain are different and it makes a difference. As a beginner I am using the ND filter to try and control exposure ie prevent over exposure.
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I think like with high end flagship phones... lots of over exposures can be controlled with AI???
Freewell’s email list just got a bit shorter. 😁
Finally. At last, someone who actually knows what he is talking about. Thanks. You've done everyone a service. At least a dozen drone RUclipsrs propagate the meme that NDs are a must. In some specific use cases, sure. As a rule of thumb, no. And you can save money by buying one in the mid range that you will occasionally need as opposed to a whole set.
I mean they ARE a must if you are shooting in fully manual mode. That's just the way the mathematics of exposure works. It's been like that since the dawn of cinema. You are not taking advantage of like 80 percent of what the Mavic Pro has to offer if you are not shooting in full manual mode. Sorry, not trying to be confrontational, I just disagree when you say they are not a must. They are a must if you are seeking professional level quality that matches specific specs.
@@jason-basin Being confrontational is fine, being inaccurate is not. The "mathematics" of exposure are simple. Shutter speed and aperture are inversely proportional. If, to achieve a particular effect, you need to set a particular aperture, you will need to adjust shutter speed proportionately. And vice versa. Under certain lighting conditions, an ND may be required to strike the proper balance. That hardly makes them a "must." As for the notion that one should always operate in manual, in point of fact the odds are you will get the most out of your Mavic lens if you apply the time-honored photography rule "f/8 and be there." That's the sweet spot of almost every quality lens ever made, which is why many photojournalists still shoot in aperture priority. Exceptions would be achieving a particular depth of field or the corresponding shutter speed not cooperating. That's how it works. And, for the vast majority of DJI users, auto exposure does the job just fine. There are few, if any, musts.
There might be a variant which is natural illumination, so if you are in a place as sunny as I am in, a lot of the times for most cameras the autoshutter creates a Stacatto effect, and especially if the natural constrast varies a lot, you absolutely NEED to use manual mode, if you want professional quality. That being said here in this desertic part of Mexico where I live, you DEFINITELY need to use ND filters, I cant begin to tell you how painful it was to see the footage of my camera being blown out for not having the filters...and YES it is a pain to having to switch them all the time throughout the shoot
It seems like a ND filter probably shouldn't be your first upgrade to your drone. I would say extra battery or other accessories first.
Extra batteries were my first additional purchase :D
Hi Jeven, love you channel and the explanation in this video was clear and concise. One piece of criticism is that the example shots weren't very illustrative to me, as they were quite different from one another. I appreciate that it's super difficult to recreate a shot, let alone using a drone, but having a moving car in one shot vs no car at all in the other shot doesn't really illustrate what you're trying to say.
None of those examples even remotely demonstrates the jitteryness I get without without my ND filters. It almost feel shaky and unwatchable with a fast shutterspeed. Also your comparison shots are completely different shots in different lighting.
Try watching again from 2:38. That seems to be addressed.
That will be because your shutter speed is likely a lot faster than in his particular video.
Also are you shooting at 24gps, 30fps or 60fps.
It all plays a part.
Amen. Glad someone else said it. My footage 30fps with filters is buttery smooth. HUGE difference. Just getting into it. Air3 and MINI 3prp
I was about to male the same comment. At least show the pro settings your using as the same with the same or as close to the same flight path on the same day at the same location to give a accurate comparison
I don't get any jittery footage without ND .. but I shoot at 60fps. But for me 24fps looks like a jittery mess no matter what camera or settings, I'm just not really used to such low frame rates anymore. But yer maybe if that is the case an nd is a very good idea.
No ND filter gang where you at!?!?!
Yea I notice a difference:
A complete CHANGE OF FRIGGIN SCENERY AND COLOR PALETTE! If there's one kind of A or B example I hate, it's when the subjects being compared are completely different from each other
For me, it's all about cutting down the sun's glare. W/o filtering, clouds and sky are blown out. With filtering, I can adjust the difference. I've wasted so much time when I first started not having those shades on. That always trumps blur / not blur for me. Close-up fast shots: shades for any glare and motion blur. Far away panning: shades for glare. Motion blur isn't a factor at that distance anyway
yeah exactly. I try to use them for the motion blur rule, but my main use case is keeping the contrast of the clouds and sky when filming a horizon shot. it makes a HUGE quality difference, especially at sunset when the sun is super low and trying to blow out your image. I don't take a ton of photos, I mostly do video with my drone, and I feel like filters are a must-have for this type of thing
Shoot when the sun is lower.
Its all about timing in the sky- you can't set up like you could on the ground.... so you use the time of day for your lighting
So filters stop it form being time essential, heck that a good enough reason to purchase them rather than waiting on the sun to set i would say.@@Matanumi
Great helpful video, Jeven
I have a question here. Motion blur is one aspect with ND Filters. Aren't ND filters necessary if you have a bright sunny day or an overcast/cloudy day?
I live in a country where its bright sunshine all year round. I think I need to have respective filter mounted on my drone to manage it, Don't I? Please guide me on this?
Thanks!
Finally, some that doesn’t push the prophecy of Nd filters . 👏
Most of the times the fuss outweighs the small quality gains… not to mention that if you are a beginner, you can easily damage the gimbal by forgetting to install/remove only when the drone is turned off
The differences I would see are mostly not to do with motion blur obviously. The ND filter footage resembles TV/film footage in lighting and style. Professionals probably need them for specific reasons. I leave the ND 4 filter provided in the Fly More Combo on my Air 2S to act as a protective layer in front of the camera, not because I want that specific 'look' in my footage.
Thats an interesting thought ie leaving it on for protection
Great video. I think the filters are a great addition but as you say, not necessary. Better to spend time learning to tell the story and shoot better content before adding the complexity of the filters. Thanks.
Thanks for this video, I’m not seeing a huge difference. Out of convenience seems better to leave them off
If you are going to do a comparison with ND on and ND off..use the same landscape..ND filters are ok if you stay in Auto...
Finally someone honest and impartial explaining all pros and cons with video examples. Looking around seems like we absolutely need nd filters and that will make us pro (or at least not worthless noobs) but thats not how it works, and it could lead to problems and mistakes (like the blurry photo example) for who is still learning. Well subscriber earned. Good job
Thanks for explaining the proper use of ND filters, and then testing them in field and showing people the difference they make in a world setting. Great video Jeven, and thanks for sharing.
I found using polarizing ND filters "pop" some colors, aside from the fact they are suppose to be neutral on my Mini 2. I usually have to shift the WB to a bit cooler temp to get a truer color.
Hey, I've got a rookie question perhaps. I bought the whole set of those nd filters from farewell for my DJI MINI 2. And the NDPL filters there have a movable circle around, there are two tiny white lines to mark the postion of the rotation. My question is what influence does this rotation have? I mean if the white lines are aligned it is maks polarizing efect or min poalrizing efect?
Hold the filter up to the light and rotate while looking through it. You’ll see the light darken as you add more polarisation
Personally to me, Nd off videos are more clear, bright juicy colours and more pleasant to watch. I've just got my filters from delivery, but haven't tested them yet. Thanks for video. It's quite right that Nd is not of high necessity, because all "pro's" say that you won't have life without Nd.. ))
You can't educate enough on this subject. In your last comparison while tracking the car, the difference in video quality is minor. The scene was during sunset while the filter was off and full day while filter was on. Since the shutter was probably a bit slower for the sunset, you were able to get slight motion blur without the need for a filter. In my own experience, I use an ND4 or nothing for low light or sunsets and it still looks pretty good although we are still above the 180 degree rule. I think for landscape videos, the 180 degree rule does not make a big difference. That rule seems to work best when filming low to the ground with people or fast moving subjects.
Why does every photographer on youtube have a beard and wear hats indoors
There didn't seem to be a lot of air movement in your videos. Breezy days with tree branches swaying with the wind present a different scenario altogether.
IMO i think ND filter is more for a cinematic effect like action shooting while "no-ND" is more like a documentary. In cinema you focus on the subject of action and the story of that subject while in documentaries you show all the details and views and your story is not centered.
beside the obvious sharpness with the non ND filters shots. Question, if you have drone like a mavic 2 pro that have a variable aperture could I make adjustments to get a properly exposed image without ND filters?
I see a difference in fast speeds.I personally fly in cine mode so this will make my life easier.Thank you very much, great video!!
What is the 180 rule?
My brothers and I are going fishing in northern Canada at the Grass River Lodge.
I plan to take my DJI Mini 4 Pro along. I purchased ND Polarized filters, for example (ND64PL).
My understanding is that polarized ND filters are useful for sunny days in a boat while on the water. Is this correct?
You don't needed it but it's recommended. Honestly, I think ND filters are over rated for non professional work, and most people won't even notice if you don't adhere to the 180 degree rule.
I use filters on my Mini 3 Pro and Air 3 and the difference is chalk and cheese. 6000ft. Bright sunshine. Cricling landmarks. 1/60 at 30fps 100 ISO a buttery pleasure to watch. 🎉I feel like I am getting gas lit by this video? Do my own eyes decieve me?
I use mine on my 2S for long exposure pics and on sunny days. Even with the VND's its a pain though.
It would be nice if your comparison shots were the same content.
yes.. I planned to buy the ND64 and CPL filter only.. coz most of the nd filters I may never use it later. but then I found the K&F single adjustable range ND filter ND32 - ND 256. SO I bought that instead. also the CPL only filter
My problem - very much a newbie at the topic - I'm comparing one shot with bright white ground vs one with browns and greens. One is psychologically brighter and interferes with making distinctions. But also, I never view on MY phone, that's what my monitors are for. (I refuse to shoot vertically, too much info lost when watched on 16:9...)
To be honest, I really like the COLOR and sharpness of the videos without the ND filters! Now, I don't know how strong a filter you were using but I bought a 4ND filter WITH polarizing. I may return that filter and simply replace it with a plain polarizing filter with no ND. Thanks for the info!
Are ND filters helpful when just taking still photos?
definitely NO and YES.😆
It depends on the result you want. You want the best looking long exposure effect like the waterfall. and YES.
or you want to take photo to be able to see every detail in that photo without blurry effect. then NO
Far off backgrounds on fast panning shots are very noticeable with high shutter speeds. I noticed the No ND pan was much slower than the ND On pan. This is why that was less noticeable.
Question, with a 30FPS drone like the Mini 3 that I just ordered, don't I need the ND filter to make the image less stuttering? With 60FPS it's a lot easier to get less stuttering image as I experience with my pocket 3. So I'm afraid that in sunny summer conditions a 30FPS 4K drone shot also needs at least and ND5 to make this some easier in a lot of situations? I get it when you're really high in the sky but just circling around an object I soon see stuttering with my pocket 3. I can't imagine that this doesn't happen with drone close-up shots?
One thing I noticed you are comparing fast moving drone (time: 6:00) but why are you take one shot against Sun, and the other behind you? I'd rather see the same exactly framing, that is having same position of Sun... I DON'T KNOW IF IT DOES OR NOT contributes to whatever we observer??
I don't know how I got to this video but it was really interesting to watch it. Maybe cause I've got a drone. As I'm filming a lot, I can tell you that this comparison is a bit incorrect. You're filming in the open space, with one or two moving objects. Trees doesn't count, cause that's how people's brain work. You introduce them with the main object of the scene. In your example it's a car. Everything around is just checked momentarily just to understand where the object is. That's all, but now, move to a scene where are a lot of fast moving objects. For example you're filming a chase in a city with a lot of moving objects. If you won't use ND filter, the scene will be without motion blur. And the watchers brain will be stuttering. Cause everything looks the same. Now, we use ND, and put our main subjects in the center of the frame. Everything around them will be a bit blurry. The brain still understands where is the main object, it understands where the scene goes and you literally blur out everything unnecessary. It's like you're telling viewers where to watch and where you want them to look at that moment. That's why you really need filters.
Also, you didn't mention the CPL filter. Cause I literally hate when everybody who wants to film oceans, beaches etc aren't using them in a sunny day. Cause literally half of the scene is gone by sun's reflection on the water. You have to go through a lot of mistakes to understand how this thing works.
Also, you use NDs to make scene a bit darker, if you can't correct exposure or iso... It's also one of the first rules.. You can make dark image brighter. Yeah, it's a bit hard sometimes because of the noise, but doable. And you CAN'T fix overexposed scene. If you overexposed the sky you literally can't fix it. In the white color there's no info about the correct color. It's just a white blank... I've used this rule all my life. Saved me a lot of footage. Sometimes you just can't see it right on the filming spot. And than you watch footage at home on a big screen and that's unusable...
You should make a video on the subject
@@JevenDovey oh, if you're asking, a will try to make a couple. 👌
I like your videos and I have learned a few things off you, but this one. If you are going to compare footage with or without the ND filter, at least shoot the same scene, not totally different ones. You're comparison is way off and you can't tell if they work or don't.
You do a desert shot with it on and then show the comparison of a snow scene with it off. How can you compare the 2?
at the 6:30 mark you are confusing the audience with 2 different images with ND on or Off different areas.
Interesting video. I've recently bought my first drone and was close to buying a set of ND filters. But looking at your examples here, I'd much prefer to have sharper looking video than blurry footage. They might be useful for long exposure photos though or if it's a really bright day.
when doing a comparison. it would help if we had the exact same shot but with the ND on or ND off, but you gave us 2 completely different examples in terms of location. So for me I couldnt make a comparison.
It would be beneficial to use the same image with ND on/off rather than two separate locations. Does not bring any value to your viewers. Just feedback mate.
So, higher shutter speed would cause stutters? I have stutterers flying my Phantom 4 but no stutterers flying my mini 3. I don’t know if the stutters are related to shutter speed. I never thought about it!
The comparison isn't quite apple to apple, especially comparing summer-like footage with blunt white snowy footage... But, I still learned the ND filter is basically not needed, at all.
Great vid mate (like all your others) and you're so good at explaining.
If I'm understanding correctly, the filters are only needed for the motion blur effect. But I'm from sunny Malta in Europe and I mainly use auto on my Mini 2 videos. So when it's sunny and I set my EV to -0.7 or -1.. is this best way to reduce that white wash? I'd prefer not buying filters not to mess around with my gimbal.
You're not showing the same shots in comparison. You not showing the footage, ND filter on/off and side by side seems sketchy. All other streamers showcase a stark difference in comparison with their videos.
If making footage for average views, use ND. If hunting for Bigfoot, DO NOT use ND filters because The last thing you want is any blur in your footage.
Makes it sense to use nd filters also in auto-modus?
The one differences video editing, if you edit on a 24 FPS timeline with 30 FPS footage then you’ll drop four frames every second which will make it look jittery, regardless of any filter or not
Terrible examples
I know this is an older video - but as someone who's shooting exclusively in the Florida sun, over the water 90% of the time, I would think ND or PL would be a must. Especially if i want to see through the water at any sea life that may be stalking the beach. Am I wrong?
Both videos stutter. I use ND filters and sometimes I don't. The ND filters allow for the 180 shutter rule and motion blur. But with or with out them the videos still stutter. My Dji drone does the same thing. If you ignore the subject in both videos you'll see the background skip, jitter, flicker.
I can't believe people are praising this video. These examples really are not great at all. They should be like for like but instead you're showing different locations or different weather conditions and even totally different lighting conditions (eg mid day vs golden hour).
There's no way to deduce the effectiveness of an ND filter when you have so many variables at play.
I kinda like the clear picture without ND… why wouldn’t everyone like it more clear?? I’m confused..
Thanks for this, I didn’t see much of a difference between shots in terms of blur, but I.preferred the non ND shots for clarity and sharpness.
That's… literally the difference.
Better bay ND FILTERS or DJI Mini 3 Pro Wide-Angle Lens were I going to be noticeably?
@5:30 So with ND off the bright blue skies turn to sunset?
@6:30 ND changes seasons and adds snow to the ground?
Great Comparison.
Maybe I am not savvy enough but my naive observation is that the comparisons do not involve the same pictures. So the comparisons do not convince me. Moreover, creating blurs is not my ideal.
Tons of value shared from this video. I'm returning my ND filter tomorrow,
Showing side by side of 2 different locations don't make any sense at all when the objects/light is completely different.
I can’t thank you enough for this video. I thought I was going crazy trying to get my video to look better with the filters, and most of the time having my videos actually look worse because of my inexperience with the filters And putting the wrong one on by mistake. My I’m getting much better footage is much higher without filters, but hearing you explain, it helps so much to confirm what my gut was telling me.
What type of filter do you need to photograph the solar eclipse using the DJI Mavic 3?
The ND on examples look like there's some color LUT. Does the ND change the colors?
This is useless because you are not comparing identical images.
These videos are not even close to the same when comparing. Lighting landscape it’s all different. One has snow and no trees while other has trees clay now are we supposed to think about differences when those are the major differences that stand out
cant ii just add motion blur post filming when editing? Would u say the "natural" motion blur is cleaner?
If you need to watch this video to figure out wether you need ND filter or not, chances are you don't need it!
ND filters are great for long-exposure photography, but that's probably it for me.
While shooting a drone in daylight, he noticed that the white buildings were shining a lot. In this case, would it help if I used nd filter?
i can't really see the comparison when u show 2 different landscapes under different weather conditions. do use 2 drones or take same shots twice with and without filter than entirely difference locations.
When I use a ND filter on my Magic Pro, and I see the colours don’t pop, I prefer no ND on video.
Thanks for this. I think I'll just buy them when I really see that I need them, which may be never.
I never bought nd filters for the exact reasons you mentioned ... I usually fly fairly high in the sky so they are a bit useless for me
I agree. Just depends on what the person is using it for. To make really good videos. U need em.
Is a HD filter more important for the F1.7 on a mini 3 pro. Thanks for your info.
Been struggling to get a good picture quality out of my DJI Mini 2, using freewell ND/PL filters and keeping shutter speed at 1/double frame rate, and exposure pretty good. Picture quality just looks really grainy in 1080, 2.7k and 4k. Any tips? Or do I just need a better drone with a bigger sensor?
When you use the ND filter is your iso going up? To get the least amount of noise you should shoot at the lowest iso and make sure your exposing not too dark. If you boost the image in editing you’ll introduce more noise
Top notch advice. Thank you. I don't take much footage with fast motion in it, but I did notice something the other day. A bird flew across the scene and it looked very jerky. So even if most of the footage doesn't benefit from an ND filter/slower shutter, it might make those unexpected fast movements look better. I don't have ND filters yet, so I'm not sure.
I use nd filters like a condom for my lens. It mostly protection.
the difference I can obviously see is the contrast
Difference is maybe most significant in the colorgrading
This is a horrible comparison to be honest, not even in the same seasons 🤣 who does this???
Wondering that smbdy need to talk about it at the end of 2021
Outstanding content delivery as usual. Learning is cool.
hey buddy we learning all time :)
Poor video. Not enough explanation
is the shutter speed same for both examples on this video?
You just simplified my life a little bit 🙂 thank you!
Polarizing filters make a difference
Dude, your examples don't make sense. Two completely different videos
You should make it then
What if you put an nd filter and have the drone in manual
Hi, what ND Filters do you recommend for the DJI Mini 3 Pro - thanks
Polar pro and Freewell both make good filters
I prefer less motion blur, personally
would a lower shutter speed affect the battery consumption?
Fantastic honest video. Thank you. I have subscribed.
Thanks for the sub!