It's a shame they completely scrapped PS2 compatibility from later models. Even with the compromised partial-emulation compatibility of the CECHE/C model it was nice to be able to put in your old discs and still be able to play these games through HDMI without so much work.
With custom firmware you can play ps2 on slim and non bc consoles. Only caveat is you have to rip it as an iso to the hard drive, and there are a few more bugs but a lot of the games are playable
Same here! Especially when PS2 transitioned from EE+GS with RDRAM(used on full compatible PS3s) to separated smaller GS(suspected to be 65nm)+ SoC(EE+RDRAM+IOP+SPU2+SDRAM) in 79000 and 90000 models, it means PS2 compatibility can still be evolved even further with better power consumption. PS2 finally stopped production back in 2013 so it's definitely feasible to preserve the compatibility on slim PS3s, could be sold as extra premium models on 320GB/500GB large ones. IIRC Ken Kutaragi stated PS3 will drop PS2 hardware once the emulator is completed. Unfortunately Sony only allows playing PS2 Classics downloaded from PSN, they could have done what Xbox did with whitelisted games but Sony just chose to be conservative.
The reason for this was Sony was desperately trying to bring the price of the PS3 down given the the inflation adjusted prices for the launch 20 Gb and 60 Gb models are $737.64 and $885.46 today. Other features such as flash memory card readers from the 60 Gb model and the ability to play Super Audio CDs were also removed. The high launch price was among many reasons why for the majority of that particular console generation the Xbox 360 was able to dominate the PS3 in sales. While the PS3 ultimately out sold the 360 relatively slightly in the end, some people postulate this was because in the later part of the PS3's market life, it was cheap enough that people picked it up as a budget Blu-Ray player.
You are the most balanced, truthful, and consumer-sided PlayStation-centric content creators. So many streamers, RUclipsrs, vloggers have rosey tinted glasses when discussing their console or platform they're passionate about. I like that you call out Sony in their anti-consumer or anti-dev policies.
We need more youtubers like that with Nintendo's "evergreen" titles that aren't so evergreen and consists of ports, bugs, dripfeed content for the price of 60 dollars.
@@Nighttale233 I suppose Arlo would fit that description, while he loves the Nintendo games and doesn't want to be negative, when it comes down to it he won't shy away from talking critically when it's deserved. (which is the case more often than not)
I remember seeing a video from back in like 2008 or 2009 showing Jak and Daxter running on a PS3 demonstrating the exact same issue you saw in your video. I remember being excited learning that I could play PS2 games on my PS3, then being immediately let down when I saw the issue on-screen
I look forward to Tuesday's and Friday's so much because of Mystic now. He's the only youtuber with gaming content that I genuinely do not skip around and want to watch the entire video. Thanks for awesome content Ryan and for being such a cool down to earth dude!
Hey, one of the PS3 scene members here. Over half of these games (Black, Twinsanity, Legendia) are fixed on slim/super slim with custom configs, including dozens of other games that have problems on CECHC/E models, such as Silent Hill 2, Shadow Hearts series, Scarface, and many others. :)
Yup I'm aware! Apologies for not mentioning it, I usually discuss these in the context of them being stock or what it was like when they first launched. There's a whole other world to these though once you've got CFW/HEN.
Kinda. The config for scarface lowers the draw distance but still may occasionally crash, silent Hill 2 has slight graphical glitchs with people facial hair or eye lashes looking bright white in certain lighting conditions and Blacks config only fixes the spinning camera at the end of the fourth level it still has framerate problems and will still randomly teleport the player. It's still a great alternative I'd you don't want to hand over the cash for an A0/BO model.
@mogueraguh same here. I've been trying to play twinsanity on my ps3 forever. After watching this video I had given up hope. Then I came across this other video with a kid comparing the ps3 and xbox 360 gameplay, and he was playing with no problem. Help please.
@@crazyangel626 my friend, I’ve got a pal and ntsc copy of twinsanity and surprisingly the pal copy works with some save minor auto save issues but the ntsc freezes at the loading screen
This is why I always keep older hardware in good condition. You never know if these games will work or even allowed to be available on future platforms.
@@unicorntomboy9736 want an old Nintendo game to be buyable on Switch? That’s asking too much. Do you think Furukawa is made of money?! Nintendo is only the richest company in Japan.
It's very nice to have all these issues documented on video. Screenshots and descriptions can only do so much, this would be great if it could be attracted to compatibility lists.
I'm really glad you pointed this out in this video, so people from UK/Europe got worst version of the Backwards compatible model PS3's. I was actually considering getting one a few years ago but seeing it run Ratchet and Clank like that I'm glad I picked up a Original PS2 four years ago. And just use my PS3 for PS3 games.
I sold my PS3 CECHA-01 during COVID out of necessity and I regret it so much, the PlayStation 3 was and is one of my favorite consoles of all time. I still play my current slim regularly with single player and online.
Important to mention that all Jak, Ratchet and Clank and God of War games got native PS3 remasters so they are still all playable in some form on this PS3
And some of those compilations are arguably the best way to play the games on PC as well. If you've got a half decent CPU and practically any GPU with vulkan support, you can get a 4k 60fps lock in the likes of jak collection, ratchet collection, sly cooper collection, and GoW collection (though that one can be a tad buggy) relatively easily. MGS collection still suffers from emulation related bottlenecks which causes slowdown in a few areas but is very playable nonetheless.
Cool video! The 'geometry popping off in a weird direction depending on which way you're looking at them' is called a Vertex Explosion btw :) Great content !!
Criminally underrated channel dude. Just consistently great content and news aggregation, editing, commentary, etc. Your videos are ones I look forward to each week.
Always nice to see footage of Black as it was one of the last games I played on the PS2 and was the game that got me into playing FPS games. The graphics were way ahead of most PS2 games, which is probably what hooked me on it. I remember when the PS3 was about to come out I bought a new 40in HD TV a few weeks before in preparation, and ran the PS2 on it for a little bit (had a 28in CRT before that). Obviously the PS2 was built at a time that old school 4:3 CRT TVs were a thing so you had two options, play with black bars at the side of the screen or use the fit to screen option which would stretch the picture horribly. Only played a few games on the PS2 once I moved to the new TV, one being Black, another being Gran Turismo 4 and one of the WWE games (which I only did because I finally wanted to try the online aspect). While in theory having a backwards compatible PS3 was a great idea in theory (I am in the UK so was the software based one), once I saw the full HD widescreen graphics of PS3 games, I never played a PS2 game again. I think Black would have been the only one I would have given a chance to, but as I got Resistance and COD3 with my PS3, I already had my FPS quota filled.
@@SomeAngryGuy1997 I know SpongeBob SquarePants: Revenge of the Flying Dutchman used a very specific hardware reset trick that is incompatible with backwards compatibility on the PS3. Btw, this was done to avoid a game breaking bug.
@@SomeAngryGuy1997 Look up the video by Who Needs Normal on Blue Sky Studios, that video has the info you're looking for. Sadly, YT probably has me on their suspected bots list so I can't post links or else my comments get shadowbanned.
I have a phat PS3 (CECHA) with the full backwards compatibility and a modded PS3 slim. I do notice differences in how some games play, like occasional crashes in Persona 3 FES, but overall the software emulation on the PS3 slim is fine
Shotana Studios did a GREAT video on this very thing! I was always bummed out about my E01... UNTIL THEN! I was always scratching my head when people said "your PS2 games will look worse on your PS3 actually, because of upscaling and such". I always thought "... they look even BETTER than they did on my PS2!". The smoothing from the emulation is awesome! Which is why emulation is the ultimate form of B/C. It has the potential to do even MORE than hardware if it's emulated through and through. I actually love my lead reballed E01 even more and don't feel bad about missing out on the A01 at all. I can always buy one later if I really want it. And on the plus side, the fact that PS3s are so unreliable has made the prices tank over the years instead of rise. I remember when sealed A01s were going for $2500! Now it's more like $1000-1500. There's still an embittered part of me that hates Sony and how their company culture made a turn for the worse in the 7th generation. There's still a strong sense of longing for emulation/backwards compatibility to be explored. And overall just a better company that actually takes pride in its past. Instead of making baseless blanket statements and doing the polar opposite, inversion of what they said. I haven't gotten a PlayStation console since my PS3 and honestly don't even intend to until Sony de-scumbag themselves. The PS3 should have had 110% put into it for $600 back in 2006. Oh, and by the way, you can add Primal (2003) to that list. It has black artifacting from time to time. And it's great to see people still making videos about PlayStation backwards compatibility. PS3 especially.
Apologies if this has already been pointed out but this video made me realize why the God of War HD collection and Jak & Daxter HD collection were made. Yes there was “backwards compatibility” on some PS3 models but seeing this video says otherwise especially with the major first party releases. Keep it up Mystic!
This was as good as it got in Europe. I got my 60gb model for free, a friends dad found it in the trash, blu ray drive was dead but everything else worked fine. My 40gb model got YLOD a few years later so I swapped the blu ray drive in it for the one in the 60gb model and boom, working BC PS3 :)
@@pengu6335 AFAIK The drive is married to the daughter board on the Phat PS3’s, not the main motherboard. Provided you swap the daughter board as well it should work fine. I was running custom firmware so I don’t know if that played a factor.
I remember having my launch day PS3 & relying heavily on PS2 games during the initial period of the PS3 when the titles on offer either played & looked better on xbox 360 or the titles on launch being small & not all that great but thankfully that changed as they went along. I still have my PS3 & occasionally play it & all my PS2 collection worked with no issues, sucked when they removed that functionality in later revisions to save money & make the console astetics more pleasing.
I remember playing Silent Hill 3 on my EEE PS3 and there was a strange wireframe around all the character models. As it was one of my favorite games, I ended up selling that model and just picking up a slim ps2 and slim ps3.
Due to overheating you might be better off just picking up two separate systems in that case. PS3 slim is the best model imo. There is always a reason to have a PS2 as well.
@@Clay3613 a PS3 slim that was manufactured on or before the model number cech25**a or b can in fact accept PS2 disc when modded. A system over the cech3000 model won't except PS2 disc even when modded. That is due to Sony still leaving traces of ps2 hardware and emulation that one can add/ inject backwards compatibility once adding cfw and having a cobra payload installed.
For me it was Soul Reaver 2 that had a gamebreaking bug on my UK launch model PS3. It ran perfectly up until the point where you reach the dark forge, and the shadows didn’t appear for the obelisks in the shadow puzzle, so you couldn’t progress any further in the game as the puzzle became unsolvable. I remember that being such a massive disappointment for me at the time, as I’d just sold my PS2 to buy the PS3.
Yes! I was looking into having that game on this video but wasn't sure how long it would take to reach the game breaking part. That's a huge issue that to the unsuspecting, would be a massive disappointment to run into.
Same here, the exact same pillar didn't render or whatever was going on, still glad I still have some PS2 consoles to play these gems, the way they're supposed to be played. Emulation or whatever the PS3 was doing was utter garbage anyway, emulation overal is the worst to experience OG titles. Many inaccuracies and glitches, who could enjoy to play games like that I would never understand.
Hah this reminds me of my unusual way I played GTA: Vice City Stories back in the day 😂 I played the PS2 port when new at release in March 2007 (Australia), it was about 2 weeks just before the PS3 launched here but I started the game save on my PS2 first anyways, then later continued it on my PS3 2 weeks later and I used a special PS2 memory card adapter that adapts to USB 2.0 so I could transfer my PS2 game save file to PS3's internal memory and continue playing. Sooo basically I was playing a game designed for the PSP, that was ported to PS2 and I finished playing it on PS3 via backwards compatibility 😆 It ran fine btw.
One of my favorites is Driver Parallel Lines: the main character keeps on twitching every few seconds. When I was a child, I thought that my disk was scratched and was so sad, but I later found out it was just an emulation issue 😛
A lot of original Xbox games had similar problems on 360 as well. Fable had some audio and texture glitches, Halo 2 had weird shadows that overlaid the screen kinda like a flashbang effect, and Jet Set Radio Future had a buggy map screen. It’s nice that the new consoles fixed most of those issues.
Jet Set Radio Future has more than a buggy map screen, it has complete slowdown unless you play as Beat, who you don't have access to at the start. I just this month bought an Xbox 360 hoping to play this game! Looks I will have to by wires and a memory card for my old original Xbox
@@cosmosofinfinity I didn’t really experience that problem on 360, but glad I have an original Xbox to play it on and a Dreamcast if I ever can find JSR
I love all your content, but I especially love how much PS3 content you've made. The king of consoles is FAR from dead with this kind of passion and enthusiasm.
Yoooo! I’m from Buffalo! That was so ironic to hear LOL. I moved to Florida in 2014 though, but still visit my family and friends there from time to time!
Oh Man, you reminded me of an old memory. Picked up a used PS2 memory card so I could relive some childhood favorites, and it had a hacked FFX save on it with 99(9?) Of every sphere, got to breeze through the story with a super OP Tidus. It also had a Max Payne save on it that I didn't bother to play, and another few from games I also already owned, but I can't remember
19:04 the description is perfect, idk what else to call not being able to see the player but just a mash of colors of the background, so don't act like it was a bad description, the game is unplayable due to the background making it unable to see shit
What would be more interesting, that probably hasn't been documented anywhere is a comparison with games that use peripherals. For example the Eyetoy, games that used the PS2 HDD, etc...
Some of those games don't work at all it's exactly like the kinnect on Xbox and even PS4 games on PS5 Most games that use a sensor usually don't work or have that feature completely removed as most games developed with a tracking accessory won't or never get remastered for that same reason. You can visit the PS3s bc compatibly list on wiki/PS3/backwardscompatibility. It'll show you what games work and for which console.
If I remember correctly, Crash Twinsanity was unplayable on certain PS3 models (not sure if region and or version also contributes to this) after a certain point. Right before you go to the Academy of Evil, which is the second to last major hub world in the game, the game freezes and you cannot get past the transition to the hub world, even upon reloading. It’s been a few years since I’ve last seen this issue anywhere, so I’d assume there is some kind of fix out there now. The PS2 v1.00 version had crashes and freezes present, but not gamebreaking. The Dingodile fight was prone to freezing towards the end, requiring to fight the boss again, but you can get past the freeze.
I still have a backwards-compatible PS3 model myself which I got off of Amazon a few years back. It's the original 60 GB model though with the full PS2 support and it seems to work fine too for the time being since I've been lucky so far being that I didn't get the YLOD on it yet or anything.
@@13Gangland If you say so then, and thanks. That's also nice that your PS3 still works fine too so far. I really like the backwards-compatible PS3 models, but a lot of them though seem to have a lot of console issues and errors, particularly with the YLOD and I've even been through a few different PS3 systems already as well, all of which were also backwards compatible with PS2 games.
BloodRayne 2, looks like they applied some kind of visual filter by placing a single polygon in front of the camera and then applying the filter as the texture to that polygon. The reason I suspect that is that the line through the middle not only follows the camera rather than the player, but also because that line would represent the seams between two tris on a face.
I would object I would love to see someone actually use av cable components to play PS2 games and check the compatibility that way.. alot of the game errors are due to upscaling where the PS3s Gpu is trying real hard to upscale and emulate these games and due to many games being locked at a certain frame rate and output using an HDMI cable kills backwards compatibility on cech C and E models. I would love to see Ryan do this play with cable components and check backwards compatibility in that way on the e model he has and see if av cables helps these games out. Not sure if anybody has done this before to be exact.
Another reason cech a and b models go bad, the video and graphics HDMI output end up dying , not to mention the south bridge causing the GPU and CPU to overheat and many other problems. You got too understand that PS2 games didn't get patches quite often on the PS3 and if they did, what Sony did was unlock frame rates and or lock them to 720p-1080p and 1080i. Kinda of an upscale. Sony knew they couldn't get those games to work properly, hence why Sony remastered many PS2 games as hd remasters as they knew the PS2 games had problems uncapping frame rates and another reason why ps plus doesn't see many PS2 and PS1 games as many are stuck or capped. Another reason PS4 never fully got PS2 classic games as they used the previous PS2 classics from the PS3.
Remember only check a and b has the hardware and software tied to the console cech c and e don't however as Ryan explained that cech a and b has this weird stretch of a wide screen kinda output on games during gameplay which can be fixed with av cables as those were the original hardware's component and module it was made on.
I knew some PS2 Games had problems but I didn't expect it to be that bad. Also with Black nowadays there is only the Xbox Option if you want it BC because this works flawless on literally every Generation
Oh! I serviced my 60gb Ps3 following your video, did not changed the fan though. Must say runs really quiet(for now), i’m still playing MGS 4, game is bloody awesome! I have a few PS2 games, and these i games have run pretty smoothly on my ps3.
Another great video on the PS3 man. I was wondering if you ever saw RIP Felix's video explaining why these models fail? Apparently the NEC-TOKIN thing was a bit of a myth and a temporary fix as the problems actually lie in the GPU. It could be interesting to cover. Here's the video for reference: ruclips.net/video/I0UMG3iVYZI/видео.html
i remember i used to play fable the lost chapters backwards compatible on the xbox 360, it ran basically fine but sometimes when you got a tattoo it would instead take an image of whatever the background was behind you and put it on your body as a tattoo, resulting in some pretty badass tattoos of scenery.
Great video! Lots of in-depth content. Though I disagree that they are worh getting, because even with maintenance, it's still very unreliable. The 7th generation provided us with the most unreliable systems ever made, with the 360's red ring being the most infamous.
When I jailbroke my CECHE01 Model I was able to install a custom software based emulator that fixed a lot of these issues and still allows you to use the discs. It also has a lot of settings you can change if something isnt working quite right.
I own a PS3 CECHE01 and that thing runs like a champ. Its also worth noting that between the E01 and A01 that E01 is more reliable than the A01 but again there both old consoles that need to be looked after.
Small, but (somewhat) noticeable change is when you try and play Klonoa 2: Door to Phantomile on an original ps3, it doesn't display the fire graphic that will kill your character after a single touch in the areas it'd displayed not major, but it does seem silly if you don't know what's killing you in certain areas/haven't played it before Slight more noticeable and game breaking is a certain level over halfway through the game that has an elevator about 2/3rds of the way through it. If you attempt to activate the elevator by hitting the switch that activates it, the game will crash on you It sucks when you've made it 12 minutes into a level just to be met with a known error and trying it multiple times before googling the issue to find out you're not the only one
Another game that is never mentioned on most lists is Midway Arcade Treasures (2003) while most games are playable, games within it like Roadblasters tend to stop and then continue after a minute while Paperboy just crashes the console.
With Black, I played that about 6 months ago on my PS3 Non PHAT model, and it was fine, I didn't experience any issues. BUT, I also jailbroke it so I didn't have to swap any disk games I own. Dunno if that has any impact on performance or compatibility but yeah, the experience was on par with my experience on the PS2, Made me curious on Area 51 though, as I loved that game back in the day, Me and my mate would be all over the early part of the game when the aliens make their 1st real impact. I loved that scene hahaha. Great video btw, I wasn't aware about the problems with alot of those games, besides jack and daxter, that was annoying to deal with haha. got my sub bro, thanks for the mad content.
It's intersting to see that these games play mostly without issue on CFWed PS3 with software-only emulation, at least Burnout 2, San Andreas and Black do.
The Wii can run 100% of GameCube games flawlessly. A modded Wii U can run 100% of GameCube games and 100% of Wii games flawlessly. MSFT and Sony never, ever came close to this kind of backwards compatibility once Sony quickly abandoned the US launch model of the PS3.
the community released LOTS of fixes for these games, some are fixed completely too, you have to jailbreak your console of course btw, when is ps home getting re-released? i'm so excited for that
Thanks for making this video. I see a backwards ps3 near me but still asked for the model number. Hdmi isn't worth it if there's going to be artifacts. I already have a retrotink 4k and want my ps2 to be hdmi so I can use a hdmi selector. Also since I moved from component and scart cables to hdmi.
you can always remember, if you want to emulate the PS2 games, you can always get PCSX2 downloaded. you can even use your own discs if you have or get a disc drive, so you don't need to pirate anything. it's a lot easier than running a disc loader program on a modded PS2 if you ask me.
Love mostly that my CECHE/C doesn't over heat a much as my A used to, because it isn't essential 2 consoles. It makes them less likely to YLOD from my experience.
Bro ur content is acc on another level u got such a natural chill vibe like damn. Im not even that much of a PlayStation fan tbh but these videos dont miss.
Most of this games can be fixed by using emulator configurations on modded PS3's (managed to play Area 51 completely ok with a PS3 that didn't support backwards compatibility) curiously one of the games that's completely impossible to run no matter what you do even in a PC emulator is "Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects"
One thing that I found weird was Twinsanity crashing for him. I have a CECHC04 (European launch model) and a CECHA00 (Japanese launch model) and the game worked flawlessly on both. The only game I had issues with on CECHC04 was Hitman Contracts which was slowed down and Burnout 2 having that white shine. I wonder if the 80GB US revision model is actually different in some ways (for worse) from the PAL model because it appears to be that way.
Would be nice to also test some notorious problematic games that still give headaches to PCSX2 devs in another video. There are games with strict m-bit timing (Mike Tyson Boxing, My Street, Totally Spies and Panzer Elite Action) and 3 games running on an engine called "Blue Shift" that requires tight synchronization between EE, VU0 and VU1 (Marvel Nemesis being the most well known case, but also two baseball games). Also games that abuse floating point inaccuracies (Stuntman and Driv3r's AI, but also other games with replay features or AIs that desync from a scripted path). I've always wondered how they'd run on a PS3 with PS2 software emulation.
I always found it interesting that my model couldn't play Jak 1 at all (completely crashed in Geyser rock), plays Jak 2 very poorly, but yet I swear it ran Jak X better than my PS2 ever did despite being the same physical disc. The game didn't just look cleaner but I could almost swear it was running at a higher frame rate and it never encountered the save bug Jak X was notorious for like my PS2.
Hey, i have an 80GB backwards compatable one and i downloaded the PS2 emulation software from the PS store, and I am able to play Crash Twinsanity flawlessly.
Gotta say this video is concise and doesn't idle around too much. That said, I do think you should've been a little harsher with the uncompatible PS3, afterall it does fail to emulate really important games like Ratchet&Clank, Jak&Daxter and GoW properly
Backwards compatibility on ps3 is a give and take. With the a model, it uses ps2 hardware to play the games so they aren't upscalled but 98% of the library is playable. The emodel uses emulation that wasn't designed very well but does upscale the games but, only about 60% of the library is playable.
Was hoping you'd mention Secret Agent clank, there's a game breaking bug that doesn't let you progress towards the end if you play it on one of these PS3s
I'am (un)fortunate inhabitant of PAL region country and as an owner of CECHC Ps3 model I can confirm that in Black you can get teleported in certain areas. First one I found was after less then 5 minues from start in area of first bigger gunfight on a balcony. You do get teleported into different place couple meteres away (the same one every time).
For ps2 games it recommended that you convert them into pkg files and install them to your hardrive. The performance will be better than running them from disc for certain titles if your console is modded.
I have just got myself a bc ps3, I have just installed about 10 ps2 games to the hard drive but one of the games won't let me save game play, when I try it says corrupt and crashes, it's frustrating. I don't know whether to pick up a ps2 whats your thoughts, I also have an mclassic connected and it looks brilliant
GTA III: Liberty City gets to a specific checkpoint at the very beginning of the game after the first mission in which an error code will pop from the old-school console itself. It will ask the player to re-insert the GTA III game disc into the console. For some reason, it's a security mechanism that only occurs within those two instances: disc ejection (by design), and emulation (unplayable). Anti-piracy measure also existed to avoid burned disc versions, so even legit dumps will not work properly.
This comment is regarding PS1 games, but I remember my neighbour showing me that he had a PS1 Madden game that just did not work right with backwards compatibility. Tons and tons of graphics issues. The PSN version of Wild Arms once had a soundfont glitch where the music was playing each track of music with the wrong sounds from the soundfont, so instead of music playing from a string instrument it was bird sounds.
I got my ps3 for Christmas in 2007, we were really disappointed we couldn’t play ps2 games. We even downloaded the ps2 system software cuz my dad saw it might need an update. But we had a CECHG
I was expecting these issues to pop up in just the obscure games, but not with the bigger titles like God Of War. It would've been common sense for them to iron out those issues on their first party games at the very least.
@@Jonnygunboy Those HD remasters are purely made out of nostalgic greed. All of them, still today with those remakes. That's the whole purpose, they exactly know which franchise or game they have to choose to make it work for sales. For example look at the Ratchet & Clank HD trilogy, those are godawful, well most HD remasters are utter garbage anyway, no soul is left.
Burnout 2 mentioned ❗️❗️ A lot of these glitches remind me of my original fully backwards compatible PS3 that had a failing GPU. Most PS3 games were unplayably glitchy.
That already exists. Hackers have used the PS2 Classics emulator to make many more games playable. It's reported that over 2000 PS2 games work (roughly half of the entire library). Some work fine by default, others you have to apply manual emu configs to make them playable. Unfortunately, some heavy hitters do not work like Jak X and the Ratchet & Clank games but thankfully, some of them have HD remasters or straight up ports like GoW 2. The PS2 Classics emu on PS4 is also quite decent. Currently, over 700 PS2 games are playable on a jailbroken PS4 and they run at 900p.
It's a shame they completely scrapped PS2 compatibility from later models. Even with the compromised partial-emulation compatibility of the CECHE/C model it was nice to be able to put in your old discs and still be able to play these games through HDMI without so much work.
With custom firmware you can play ps2 on slim and non bc consoles. Only caveat is you have to rip it as an iso to the hard drive, and there are a few more bugs but a lot of the games are playable
There are patches for a lot of games
Same here!
Especially when PS2 transitioned from EE+GS with RDRAM(used on full compatible PS3s) to separated smaller GS(suspected to be 65nm)+ SoC(EE+RDRAM+IOP+SPU2+SDRAM) in 79000 and 90000 models, it means PS2 compatibility can still be evolved even further with better power consumption.
PS2 finally stopped production back in 2013 so it's definitely feasible to preserve the compatibility on slim PS3s, could be sold as extra premium models on 320GB/500GB large ones. IIRC Ken Kutaragi stated PS3 will drop PS2 hardware once the emulator is completed. Unfortunately Sony only allows playing PS2 Classics downloaded from PSN, they could have done what Xbox did with whitelisted games but Sony just chose to be conservative.
@@genericjosh96 yep
The reason for this was Sony was desperately trying to bring the price of the PS3 down given the the inflation adjusted prices for the launch 20 Gb and 60 Gb models are $737.64 and $885.46 today. Other features such as flash memory card readers from the 60 Gb model and the ability to play Super Audio CDs were also removed.
The high launch price was among many reasons why for the majority of that particular console generation the Xbox 360 was able to dominate the PS3 in sales. While the PS3 ultimately out sold the 360 relatively slightly in the end, some people postulate this was because in the later part of the PS3's market life, it was cheap enough that people picked it up as a budget Blu-Ray player.
You are the most balanced, truthful, and consumer-sided PlayStation-centric content creators. So many streamers, RUclipsrs, vloggers have rosey tinted glasses when discussing their console or platform they're passionate about. I like that you call out Sony in their anti-consumer or anti-dev policies.
He deserves more subs.
As a "Nintendo fan", I love to take a peek at PlayStation's metaphorical garden through Mystic.
he's the goat
We need more youtubers like that with Nintendo's "evergreen" titles that aren't so evergreen and consists of ports, bugs, dripfeed content for the price of 60 dollars.
@@Nighttale233 I suppose Arlo would fit that description, while he loves the Nintendo games and doesn't want to be negative, when it comes down to it he won't shy away from talking critically when it's deserved. (which is the case more often than not)
I remember seeing a video from back in like 2008 or 2009 showing Jak and Daxter running on a PS3 demonstrating the exact same issue you saw in your video. I remember being excited learning that I could play PS2 games on my PS3, then being immediately let down when I saw the issue on-screen
That's why to make sure to get a Actual Ps2.
Yeah but most of the game with issues were eventually ported to PS3 with HD
Emulating jak 1 on pc is even more horrifying.
@@cmnidit4444 some people have decompiled jak one and ported it too pc now (edit: it’s called open goal)
if you have a launch model though, it will work fine.
I look forward to Tuesday's and Friday's so much because of Mystic now. He's the only youtuber with gaming content that I genuinely do not skip around and want to watch the entire video. Thanks for awesome content Ryan and for being such a cool down to earth dude!
Same. Feels like he has the exact same nostalgia that I do.
Mega underrated channel for real
Make you wipe your mouth off..
What’s with the apostrophes?
Hey, one of the PS3 scene members here. Over half of these games (Black, Twinsanity, Legendia) are fixed on slim/super slim with custom configs, including dozens of other games that have problems on CECHC/E models, such as Silent Hill 2, Shadow Hearts series, Scarface, and many others. :)
Yup I'm aware! Apologies for not mentioning it, I usually discuss these in the context of them being stock or what it was like when they first launched. There's a whole other world to these though once you've got CFW/HEN.
Kinda. The config for scarface lowers the draw distance but still may occasionally crash, silent Hill 2 has slight graphical glitchs with people facial hair or eye lashes looking bright white in certain lighting conditions and Blacks config only fixes the spinning camera at the end of the fourth level it still has framerate problems and will still randomly teleport the player. It's still a great alternative I'd you don't want to hand over the cash for an A0/BO model.
If you can add more detail and links aswell would be great. I have a fat ps3cfw and want to play twinsanity which does the same as what happened here
@mogueraguh same here. I've been trying to play twinsanity on my ps3 forever. After watching this video I had given up hope. Then I came across this other video with a kid comparing the ps3 and xbox 360 gameplay, and he was playing with no problem. Help please.
@@crazyangel626 my friend, I’ve got a pal and ntsc copy of twinsanity and surprisingly the pal copy works with some save minor auto save issues but the ntsc freezes at the loading screen
Your work and dedication is unmatched. One of my favorite content creators on here.
that hard work of putting some PS2 games inside a console and react to what is happening on screen. Feel that.
@@ExTremZero 🤣🤣☺️😊
This is why I always keep older hardware in good condition. You never know if these games will work or even allowed to be available on future platforms.
I want Fire Emblem Awakening on Nintendo Switch. It is the game's tenth anniversary next year
@@unicorntomboy9736 want an old Nintendo game to be buyable on Switch? That’s asking too much.
Do you think Furukawa is made of money?! Nintendo is only the richest company in Japan.
@@unicorntomboy9736 citra+HD texture pack is your friend. Probably looks better than an official remaster from Nintendo
@@Cruxis_Angel I don't know how to do that
@@unicorntomboy9736 Pc of course
It's very nice to have all these issues documented on video. Screenshots and descriptions can only do so much, this would be great if it could be attracted to compatibility lists.
I'm really glad you pointed this out in this video, so people from UK/Europe got worst version of the Backwards compatible model PS3's.
I was actually considering getting one a few years ago but seeing it run Ratchet and Clank like that I'm glad I picked up a Original PS2 four years ago. And just use my PS3 for PS3 games.
I sold my PS3 CECHA-01 during COVID out of necessity and I regret it so much, the PlayStation 3 was and is one of my favorite consoles of all time. I still play my current slim regularly with single player and online.
Important to mention that all Jak, Ratchet and Clank and God of War games got native PS3 remasters so they are still all playable in some form on this PS3
Not all games but the main titles yes
And some of those compilations are arguably the best way to play the games on PC as well. If you've got a half decent CPU and practically any GPU with vulkan support, you can get a 4k 60fps lock in the likes of jak collection, ratchet collection, sly cooper collection, and GoW collection (though that one can be a tad buggy) relatively easily. MGS collection still suffers from emulation related bottlenecks which causes slowdown in a few areas but is very playable nonetheless.
@@no_misaki I think the HD remaster era as a whole in that generation was great especially the first party collections
There was also a Tekken Tag Tournament HD port on the PS3 as well.
Such chill vibes. It’s genuinely very comforting watching your videos
Cool video! The 'geometry popping off in a weird direction depending on which way you're looking at them' is called a Vertex Explosion btw :) Great content !!
Criminally underrated channel dude. Just consistently great content and news aggregation, editing, commentary, etc. Your videos are ones I look forward to each week.
691k is under rated?
@@GymLeaderJack look the views genius
Always nice to see footage of Black as it was one of the last games I played on the PS2 and was the game that got me into playing FPS games.
The graphics were way ahead of most PS2 games, which is probably what hooked me on it.
I remember when the PS3 was about to come out I bought a new 40in HD TV a few weeks before in preparation, and ran the PS2 on it for a little bit (had a 28in CRT before that). Obviously the PS2 was built at a time that old school 4:3 CRT TVs were a thing so you had two options, play with black bars at the side of the screen or use the fit to screen option which would stretch the picture horribly.
Only played a few games on the PS2 once I moved to the new TV, one being Black, another being Gran Turismo 4 and one of the WWE games (which I only did because I finally wanted to try the online aspect).
While in theory having a backwards compatible PS3 was a great idea in theory (I am in the UK so was the software based one), once I saw the full HD widescreen graphics of PS3 games, I never played a PS2 game again. I think Black would have been the only one I would have given a chance to, but as I got Resistance and COD3 with my PS3, I already had my FPS quota filled.
Lmfao
>uk
>dropping good games bc “muh graphics”
>fps on a console
So many many things wrong with this story it’s funny
The CECHA01 actually only supports around 99.8% of PS2 games while the CECHE01 support around 91%
What is the missing 0.2%?
@@SomeAngryGuy1997 I dunno. But i suspect 240P games.
@@SomeAngryGuy1997 I know SpongeBob SquarePants: Revenge of the Flying Dutchman used a very specific hardware reset trick that is incompatible with backwards compatibility on the PS3. Btw, this was done to avoid a game breaking bug.
@@MDLuffy1234YT What bug? I spent a lot of time playing that game on my PS2
@@SomeAngryGuy1997 Look up the video by Who Needs Normal on Blue Sky Studios, that video has the info you're looking for. Sadly, YT probably has me on their suspected bots list so I can't post links or else my comments get shadowbanned.
Would love to see more videos like this from you, just to have new footage documented and your chill commentary
I have a phat PS3 (CECHA) with the full backwards compatibility and a modded PS3 slim. I do notice differences in how some games play, like occasional crashes in Persona 3 FES, but overall the software emulation on the PS3 slim is fine
Surprised your Phat PS3 didn't turn into a toaster oven by now. Kept getting mine fixed a few times 09' then got a Slim in 10' and softmodded it.
Shotana Studios did a GREAT video on this very thing! I was always bummed out about my E01... UNTIL THEN! I was always scratching my head when people said "your PS2 games will look worse on your PS3 actually, because of upscaling and such". I always thought "... they look even BETTER than they did on my PS2!". The smoothing from the emulation is awesome! Which is why emulation is the ultimate form of B/C. It has the potential to do even MORE than hardware if it's emulated through and through. I actually love my lead reballed E01 even more and don't feel bad about missing out on the A01 at all. I can always buy one later if I really want it. And on the plus side, the fact that PS3s are so unreliable has made the prices tank over the years instead of rise. I remember when sealed A01s were going for $2500! Now it's more like $1000-1500. There's still an embittered part of me that hates Sony and how their company culture made a turn for the worse in the 7th generation. There's still a strong sense of longing for emulation/backwards compatibility to be explored. And overall just a better company that actually takes pride in its past. Instead of making baseless blanket statements and doing the polar opposite, inversion of what they said. I haven't gotten a PlayStation console since my PS3 and honestly don't even intend to until Sony de-scumbag themselves. The PS3 should have had 110% put into it for $600 back in 2006. Oh, and by the way, you can add Primal (2003) to that list. It has black artifacting from time to time. And it's great to see people still making videos about PlayStation backwards compatibility. PS3 especially.
Thankful for fans that worked so hard to make patches for some of these games. CFW/HEN really makes the PS3 shine.
Same! You can now play MK Shaolin Monks on a PS3 Slim thanks to a community patch. You just place the config next to the iso and name it the same.
@@cemsengul16 where can i get these patch files?
@@joojdobixo The world wide web
@@joojdobixo They arnt patches they are configs for library of games
Apologies if this has already been pointed out but this video made me realize why the God of War HD collection and Jak & Daxter HD collection were made. Yes there was “backwards compatibility” on some PS3 models but seeing this video says otherwise especially with the major first party releases. Keep it up Mystic!
This was as good as it got in Europe. I got my 60gb model for free, a friends dad found it in the trash, blu ray drive was dead but everything else worked fine. My 40gb model got YLOD a few years later so I swapped the blu ray drive in it for the one in the 60gb model and boom, working BC PS3 :)
It's criminal that some people just dump their electronics in the trash.
Ew
@@taffyadam6031lol
You managed to remarry the blu-ray drive to the 60GB PS3?
@@pengu6335 AFAIK The drive is married to the daughter board on the Phat PS3’s, not the main motherboard. Provided you swap the daughter board as well it should work fine. I was running custom firmware so I don’t know if that played a factor.
I remember having my launch day PS3 & relying heavily on PS2 games during the initial period of the PS3 when the titles on offer either played & looked better on xbox 360 or the titles on launch being small & not all that great but thankfully that changed as they went along. I still have my PS3 & occasionally play it & all my PS2 collection worked with no issues, sucked when they removed that functionality in later revisions to save money & make the console astetics more pleasing.
@John Doe I played the original Half Life on PC & played the Orange box collection on my 360, so i am unable to answer your question. Sorry.
Yo bro dropping heat been a long time subber and you don't disappoint
I remember playing Silent Hill 3 on my EEE PS3 and there was a strange wireframe around all the character models. As it was one of my favorite games, I ended up selling that model and just picking up a slim ps2 and slim ps3.
Due to overheating you might be better off just picking up two separate systems in that case. PS3 slim is the best model imo.
There is always a reason to have a PS2 as well.
@@ThomastheDankEngine8900 PS3 Slim doesn't play PS2...
@@Clay3613 a PS3 slim that was manufactured on or before the model number cech25**a or b can in fact accept PS2 disc when modded. A system over the cech3000 model won't except PS2 disc even when modded. That is due to Sony still leaving traces of ps2 hardware and emulation that one can add/ inject backwards compatibility once adding cfw and having a cobra payload installed.
@@ThomastheDankEngine8900 This is exactly what I did. Picked up a RetroTink 5x for my PS2/Wii/N64 and nO rAgreTS
@@Clay3613 No, but it also won't YLOD on you. All fat PS3's are ticking time bombs.
For me it was Soul Reaver 2 that had a gamebreaking bug on my UK launch model PS3. It ran perfectly up until the point where you reach the dark forge, and the shadows didn’t appear for the obelisks in the shadow puzzle, so you couldn’t progress any further in the game as the puzzle became unsolvable.
I remember that being such a massive disappointment for me at the time, as I’d just sold my PS2 to buy the PS3.
Your fault for being bri ish
I was just thinking specifically of this problem with SR2.
@@raziel4435 Even more reason why this series needs remastering/remaking.
Yes! I was looking into having that game on this video but wasn't sure how long it would take to reach the game breaking part. That's a huge issue that to the unsuspecting, would be a massive disappointment to run into.
Same here, the exact same pillar didn't render or whatever was going on, still glad I still have some PS2 consoles to play these gems, the way they're supposed to be played. Emulation or whatever the PS3 was doing was utter garbage anyway, emulation overal is the worst to experience OG titles. Many inaccuracies and glitches, who could enjoy to play games like that I would never understand.
Hah this reminds me of my unusual way I played GTA: Vice City Stories back in the day 😂 I played the PS2 port when new at release in March 2007 (Australia), it was about 2 weeks just before the PS3 launched here but I started the game save on my PS2 first anyways, then later continued it on my PS3 2 weeks later and I used a special PS2 memory card adapter that adapts to USB 2.0 so I could transfer my PS2 game save file to PS3's internal memory and continue playing.
Sooo basically I was playing a game designed for the PSP, that was ported to PS2 and I finished playing it on PS3 via backwards compatibility 😆 It ran fine btw.
Most intelligent brit
@@taffyadam6031 brit?
@@craigsampson3386 yes from england
@@phalxor and GTA
One of my favorites is Driver Parallel Lines: the main character keeps on twitching every few seconds. When I was a child, I thought that my disk was scratched and was so sad, but I later found out it was just an emulation issue 😛
The ratchet issues were heartbreaking for me
A lot of original Xbox games had similar problems on 360 as well. Fable had some audio and texture glitches, Halo 2 had weird shadows that overlaid the screen kinda like a flashbang effect, and Jet Set Radio Future had a buggy map screen. It’s nice that the new consoles fixed most of those issues.
Jet Set Radio Future has more than a buggy map screen, it has complete slowdown unless you play as Beat, who you don't have access to at the start. I just this month bought an Xbox 360 hoping to play this game! Looks I will have to by wires and a memory card for my old original Xbox
@@cosmosofinfinity I didn’t really experience that problem on 360, but glad I have an original Xbox to play it on and a Dreamcast if I ever can find JSR
19 years later and I'm discovering that it wasn't my Halo 2 disc at fault for that weird overlay thing. Thought I was the only one.
I love all your content, but I especially love how much PS3 content you've made. The king of consoles is FAR from dead with this kind of passion and enthusiasm.
Yoooo! I’m from Buffalo! That was so ironic to hear LOL. I moved to Florida in 2014 though, but still visit my family and friends there from time to time!
Yeah, that problem with Black also happens with PCSX2, and yes, you can sometimes teleport to other places in the map, even on some roofs lol.
Oh Man, you reminded me of an old memory. Picked up a used PS2 memory card so I could relive some childhood favorites, and it had a hacked FFX save on it with 99(9?) Of every sphere, got to breeze through the story with a super OP Tidus. It also had a Max Payne save on it that I didn't bother to play, and another few from games I also already owned, but I can't remember
Regardless of the slowdown on Tekken Tag Tournament, all the Tekken games on PS2 still look fantastic to this very day.
Facts 💯💯💯💯
19:04 the description is perfect, idk what else to call not being able to see the player but just a mash of colors of the background, so don't act like it was a bad description, the game is unplayable due to the background making it unable to see shit
Some more I found:
Driver 3 (AI broken in missions)
Mafia (fails to load mission)
True Crime NYC (graphical issues)
Scarface (runs too slow)
What would be more interesting, that probably hasn't been documented anywhere is a comparison with games that use peripherals. For example the Eyetoy, games that used the PS2 HDD, etc...
Some of those games don't work at all it's exactly like the kinnect on Xbox and even PS4 games on PS5
Most games that use a sensor usually don't work or have that feature completely removed as most games developed with a tracking accessory won't or never get remastered for that same reason.
You can visit the PS3s bc compatibly list on wiki/PS3/backwardscompatibility.
It'll show you what games work and for which console.
If I remember correctly, Crash Twinsanity was unplayable on certain PS3 models (not sure if region and or version also contributes to this) after a certain point. Right before you go to the Academy of Evil, which is the second to last major hub world in the game, the game freezes and you cannot get past the transition to the hub world, even upon reloading. It’s been a few years since I’ve last seen this issue anywhere, so I’d assume there is some kind of fix out there now. The PS2 v1.00 version had crashes and freezes present, but not gamebreaking. The Dingodile fight was prone to freezing towards the end, requiring to fight the boss again, but you can get past the freeze.
Mystic thank you for this video. Keep up the great work!
I still have a backwards-compatible PS3 model myself which I got off of Amazon a few years back. It's the original 60 GB model though with the full PS2 support and it seems to work fine too for the time being since I've been lucky so far being that I didn't get the YLOD on it yet or anything.
You'll be fine. My has collected dust, set there for years, and still turns on like nothing.
@@13Gangland If you say so then, and thanks. That's also nice that your PS3 still works fine too so far. I really like the backwards-compatible PS3 models, but a lot of them though seem to have a lot of console issues and errors, particularly with the YLOD and I've even been through a few different PS3 systems already as well, all of which were also backwards compatible with PS2 games.
BloodRayne 2, looks like they applied some kind of visual filter by placing a single polygon in front of the camera and then applying the filter as the texture to that polygon. The reason I suspect that is that the line through the middle not only follows the camera rather than the player, but also because that line would represent the seams between two tris on a face.
I would object I would love to see someone actually use av cable components to play PS2 games and check the compatibility that way.. alot of the game errors are due to upscaling where the PS3s Gpu is trying real hard to upscale and emulate these games and due to many games being locked at a certain frame rate and output using an HDMI cable kills backwards compatibility on cech C and E models.
I would love to see Ryan do this play with cable components and check backwards compatibility in that way on the e model he has and see if av cables helps these games out. Not sure if anybody has done this before to be exact.
Another reason cech a and b models go bad, the video and graphics HDMI output end up dying , not to mention the south bridge causing the GPU and CPU to overheat and many other problems.
You got too understand that PS2 games didn't get patches quite often on the PS3 and if they did, what Sony did was unlock frame rates and or lock them to 720p-1080p and 1080i. Kinda of an upscale. Sony knew they couldn't get those games to work properly, hence why Sony remastered many PS2 games as hd remasters as they knew the PS2 games had problems uncapping frame rates and another reason why ps plus doesn't see many PS2 and PS1 games as many are stuck or capped. Another reason PS4 never fully got PS2 classic games as they used the previous PS2 classics from the PS3.
Remember only check a and b has the hardware and software tied to the console cech c and e don't however as Ryan explained that cech a and b has this weird stretch of a wide screen kinda output on games during gameplay which can be fixed with av cables as those were the original hardware's component and module it was made on.
I prefer A01 and B01 because of the correct 4:3 aspect ratio. And I’m willing to do the proper maintenance via delidding and CFW
I knew some PS2 Games had problems but I didn't expect it to be that bad. Also with Black nowadays there is only the Xbox Option if you want it BC because this works flawless on literally every Generation
Oh! I serviced my 60gb Ps3 following your video, did not changed the fan though. Must say runs really quiet(for now), i’m still playing MGS 4, game is bloody awesome! I have a few PS2 games, and these i games have run pretty smoothly on my ps3.
Another great video on the PS3 man. I was wondering if you ever saw RIP Felix's video explaining why these models fail? Apparently the NEC-TOKIN thing was a bit of a myth and a temporary fix as the problems actually lie in the GPU. It could be interesting to cover.
Here's the video for reference:
ruclips.net/video/I0UMG3iVYZI/видео.html
i remember i used to play fable the lost chapters backwards compatible on the xbox 360, it ran basically fine but sometimes when you got a tattoo it would instead take an image of whatever the background was behind you and put it on your body as a tattoo, resulting in some pretty badass tattoos of scenery.
Great video! Lots of in-depth content. Though I disagree that they are worh getting, because even with maintenance, it's still very unreliable. The 7th generation provided us with the most unreliable systems ever made, with the 360's red ring being the most infamous.
I'm so glad I got a first run PS3
When I jailbroke my CECHE01 Model I was able to install a custom software based emulator that fixed a lot of these issues and still allows you to use the discs. It also has a lot of settings you can change if something isnt working quite right.
First time watching this guy's content, it's really simple and entertaining. I love it !
I own a PS3 CECHE01 and that thing runs like a champ. Its also worth noting that between the E01 and A01 that E01 is more reliable than the A01 but again there both old consoles that need to be looked after.
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Sing with me, sing for a year
Sing for the laughter, and sing for the tear
Finally ! Thanks for this video !!!
Games that use the Kinetica engine suffer the most.
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Small, but (somewhat) noticeable change is when you try and play Klonoa 2: Door to Phantomile on an original ps3, it doesn't display the fire graphic that will kill your character after a single touch in the areas it'd displayed
not major, but it does seem silly if you don't know what's killing you in certain areas/haven't played it before
Slight more noticeable and game breaking is a certain level over halfway through the game that has an elevator about 2/3rds of the way through it. If you attempt to activate the elevator by hitting the switch that activates it, the game will crash on you
It sucks when you've made it 12 minutes into a level just to be met with a known error and trying it multiple times before googling the issue to find out you're not the only one
Klonoa on xbox one is great
You said there would be more wild stuff at the end of the video, and I kept waiting and waiting for it more and more lol
You should really make a discord server for the community! I love your videos btw :)
Another game that is never mentioned on most lists is Midway Arcade Treasures (2003) while most games are playable, games within it like Roadblasters tend to stop and then continue after a minute while Paperboy just crashes the console.
There are also some titles that do not play correctly on the CECHA/B models. May be worth taking a look into those as well? :)
He already did...
Eye gap
@@richardgraham4827 When did he do it? Can u link the video?
Babe wake up, Mystic just uploaded
With Black, I played that about 6 months ago on my PS3 Non PHAT model, and it was fine, I didn't experience any issues. BUT, I also jailbroke it so I didn't have to swap any disk games I own. Dunno if that has any impact on performance or compatibility but yeah, the experience was on par with my experience on the PS2, Made me curious on Area 51 though, as I loved that game back in the day, Me and my mate would be all over the early part of the game when the aliens make their 1st real impact. I loved that scene hahaha. Great video btw, I wasn't aware about the problems with alot of those games, besides jack and daxter, that was annoying to deal with haha. got my sub bro, thanks for the mad content.
It's intersting to see that these games play mostly without issue on CFWed PS3 with software-only emulation, at least Burnout 2, San Andreas and Black do.
is that true? I'm planning to test Black on my cechc, but I don't have a physical disk, I can only run it through ISO
I hope that you have a good Thanksgiving Mystic and to everyone else.
You too
You too
This is the first PS3 I got, caught up on so many PS2 games I missed out on it!
Ew
Glad I got the CECHA and CECHB models instead of the CECHE model.
The Wii can run 100% of GameCube games flawlessly. A modded Wii U can run 100% of GameCube games and 100% of Wii games flawlessly. MSFT and Sony never, ever came close to this kind of backwards compatibility once Sony quickly abandoned the US launch model of the PS3.
the community released LOTS of fixes for these games, some are fixed completely too, you have to jailbreak your console of course
btw, when is ps home getting re-released? i'm so excited for that
Love the content man as always happy thanksgiving everyone
For the longest time I thought the Burnout 2 bright white issue was due to the ISO i had on my jailbroken PS3 slim. Good to know
Most intelligent pirate
Thanks for making this video. I see a backwards ps3 near me but still asked for the model number. Hdmi isn't worth it if there's going to be artifacts. I already have a retrotink 4k and want my ps2 to be hdmi so I can use a hdmi selector. Also since I moved from component and scart cables to hdmi.
you can always remember, if you want to emulate the PS2 games, you can always get PCSX2 downloaded. you can even use your own discs if you have or get a disc drive, so you don't need to pirate anything. it's a lot easier than running a disc loader program on a modded PS2 if you ask me.
Love mostly that my CECHE/C doesn't over heat a much as my A used to, because it isn't essential 2 consoles. It makes them less likely to YLOD from my experience.
In my experience, Crash Twinsanity doesn't start hanging until you get the Academy section.
Bro ur content is acc on another level u got such a natural chill vibe like damn. Im not even that much of a PlayStation fan tbh but these videos dont miss.
Please graduate first grade before using RUclips. Thanks!
@@taffyadam6031 so you're okay with the idea of texting a 5 year old, or younger. :0 not a good look .
Most of this games can be fixed by using emulator configurations on modded PS3's (managed to play Area 51 completely ok with a PS3 that didn't support backwards compatibility) curiously one of the games that's completely impossible to run no matter what you do even in a PC emulator is "Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects"
Can't fix Scarface though.
One thing that I found weird was Twinsanity crashing for him. I have a CECHC04 (European launch model) and a CECHA00 (Japanese launch model) and the game worked flawlessly on both. The only game I had issues with on CECHC04 was Hitman Contracts which was slowed down and Burnout 2 having that white shine.
I wonder if the 80GB US revision model is actually different in some ways (for worse) from the PAL model because it appears to be that way.
Would be nice to also test some notorious problematic games that still give headaches to PCSX2 devs in another video.
There are games with strict m-bit timing (Mike Tyson Boxing, My Street, Totally Spies and Panzer Elite Action) and 3 games running on an engine called "Blue Shift" that requires tight synchronization between EE, VU0 and VU1 (Marvel Nemesis being the most well known case, but also two baseball games).
Also games that abuse floating point inaccuracies (Stuntman and Driv3r's AI, but also other games with replay features or AIs that desync from a scripted path).
I've always wondered how they'd run on a PS3 with PS2 software emulation.
I always found it interesting that my model couldn't play Jak 1 at all (completely crashed in Geyser rock), plays Jak 2 very poorly, but yet I swear it ran Jak X better than my PS2 ever did despite being the same physical disc. The game didn't just look cleaner but I could almost swear it was running at a higher frame rate and it never encountered the save bug Jak X was notorious for like my PS2.
Imagine if they even cared and made every PlayStation backwards compatible 😮💨
A PS5 with hardware based backwards compatibility would be a dream.
It would to be too costly.
@@vascomanteigas9433 I agree, even though it would be nice.
18:48 That dialogue is so freaking appropriate lol
Hey, i have an 80GB backwards compatable one and i downloaded the PS2 emulation software from the PS store, and I am able to play Crash Twinsanity flawlessly.
Gotta say this video is concise and doesn't idle around too much. That said, I do think you should've been a little harsher with the uncompatible PS3, afterall it does fail to emulate really important games like Ratchet&Clank, Jak&Daxter and GoW properly
Backwards compatibility on ps3 is a give and take. With the a model, it uses ps2 hardware to play the games so they aren't upscalled but 98% of the library is playable. The emodel uses emulation that wasn't designed very well but does upscale the games but, only about 60% of the library is playable.
Area 51 is an awesome shooter! Had an awesome online multiplayer as well.
i would love to see your journey with a cfw ps3. i feel you would have a entertaining time. love the vids mystic. hope all is good
Was hoping you'd mention Secret Agent clank, there's a game breaking bug that doesn't let you progress towards the end if you play it on one of these PS3s
I had the same issue on my SCPH-50003
I'am (un)fortunate inhabitant of PAL region country and as an owner of CECHC Ps3 model I can confirm that in Black you can get teleported in certain areas. First one I found was after less then 5 minues from start in area of first bigger gunfight on a balcony. You do get teleported into different place couple meteres away (the same one every time).
A good ol' Tuesday video!
I have tried Shadows of Destiny (PS2) on PS3 and only got to chapter 3...any plans to show that game and it's performance? Good video!
For ps2 games it recommended that you convert them into pkg files and install them to your hardrive. The performance will be better than running them from disc for certain titles if your console is modded.
I have just got myself a bc ps3, I have just installed about 10 ps2 games to the hard drive but one of the games won't let me save game play, when I try it says corrupt and crashes, it's frustrating. I don't know whether to pick up a ps2 whats your thoughts, I also have an mclassic connected and it looks brilliant
@@cloud9438 you try to rip the game iso to multi man and launch it that way.
@@internetjunkie5241 I will give that a try, I tried also with the disc and the same thing happens
GTA III: Liberty City gets to a specific checkpoint at the very beginning of the game after the first mission in which an error code will pop from the old-school console itself. It will ask the player to re-insert the GTA III game disc into the console.
For some reason, it's a security mechanism that only occurs within those two instances: disc ejection (by design), and emulation (unplayable).
Anti-piracy measure also existed to avoid burned disc versions, so even legit dumps will not work properly.
This comment is regarding PS1 games, but I remember my neighbour showing me that he had a PS1 Madden game that just did not work right with backwards compatibility. Tons and tons of graphics issues.
The PSN version of Wild Arms once had a soundfont glitch where the music was playing each track of music with the wrong sounds from the soundfont, so instead of music playing from a string instrument it was bird sounds.
I got my ps3 for Christmas in 2007, we were really disappointed we couldn’t play ps2 games. We even downloaded the ps2 system software cuz my dad saw it might need an update. But we had a CECHG
Crash Twinsanity can be fixed if you use CFW and enable debug settings for the PS2 emulation
I was expecting these issues to pop up in just the obscure games, but not with the bigger titles like God Of War. It would've been common sense for them to iron out those issues on their first party games at the very least.
That's one of the reasons they made all those HD collections apparently.
@@Jonnygunboy Those HD remasters are purely made out of nostalgic greed. All of them, still today with those remakes. That's the whole purpose, they exactly know which franchise or game they have to choose to make it work for sales. For example look at the Ratchet & Clank HD trilogy, those are godawful, well most HD remasters are utter garbage anyway, no soul is left.
I would honestly just mod a ps2 with hdmi, sure it’ll take time but it’ll be worth it. Also nice detailed and informative video mystic! 👍
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A lot of these glitches remind me of my original fully backwards compatible PS3 that had a failing GPU. Most PS3 games were unplayably glitchy.
with CFW you can use a huge list of unofficial configs to run many more PS2 games and better :)
Imagine if someone modded a PS3 Slim to play PS2 games
Someone could theoretically make a mod chip that would restore PS2 backwards compatibility on the PS3 slim.
That already exists. Hackers have used the PS2 Classics emulator to make many more games playable. It's reported that over 2000 PS2 games work (roughly half of the entire library). Some work fine by default, others you have to apply manual emu configs to make them playable. Unfortunately, some heavy hitters do not work like Jak X and the Ratchet & Clank games but thankfully, some of them have HD remasters or straight up ports like GoW 2.
The PS2 Classics emu on PS4 is also quite decent. Currently, over 700 PS2 games are playable on a jailbroken PS4 and they run at 900p.
@@Manic_Panic Jak X worked fine on my CFW slim, and that was without the config file that improves stuff.
I'm currently playing NFSU2 on my superslim, so it has already been done
the tekken one is really cool because it looks to still be running at 60fps just slowmo that'd be really cool for like B-roll on a video about it.