AMD ZEN 3: which CPU is WORTH your MONEY?
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
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AMD unveiled in their 8th of October Event the 5950X, 5900X, 5800X and 5600X implementing the new ZEN 3 CPU architecture.
How does this disrupt the CPU buyers panorama? Is the 3000 series still viable? Is Intel completely out of the picture?
In this video we are gonna discuss all of this and make preliminary estimates on what will be the best CPU to buy in late 2020 and possibly throughout the 2021 up until the eventual ZEN 4 release.
This time around AMD positions itself as the premium brand and in this philosophy raises the prices of the 5000 series over the 3000 and also removes the stock coolers.
We are gonna discuss the reasonable explanations of this and whether there's hope for the prices to go down eventually.
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The calculation for the operation cost difference between the 10700K and the 3700X is
0.5 * 164W * 4h * 365 * 5 * 0.12$/KWh ≈ 72$
that's informative. I'm going with a laptop with Ryzen 5 5500u
Thank you for the effort you put in these video. I am in the market for the new PC.
Right now I am looking at Ryzen 3700X (or even 12 cores), and RTX 3080 (or RX 6800XT). Would be interesting if it change when new AMD CPU and GPU are out and more benchmarks available. Only thing about 3080 is 10GB Vram, game are running up to 8GB nowadays so this card might not age well. I might have to go with RTX because I have 1440p 144Hz Gsync monitor.
Look like I need to wait few more weeks to watch how it play out to make final decision.
Please share your opinions when everything is out, you gain another subscriber :) good job.
Hi! Yeah, at this point it's worth waiting for a week for the Ryzen 5000 benchmarks. With the information about the "smart access memory" revealed at the AMD Radeon 6000 event, I think at this point that I would definitely lean towards the 5600X for gaming rather than the 3700X in the case one might consider an AMD GPU now or in a future upgrade. I also think that the 5600X will keep a higher resale value in comparison to the 3700X. For your situation, here's what I would purchase based on several other conditionals:
1. You're in a rush to buy a GPU: 3070, the 8Gb are adequate for 1440p and it's performance is definitely enough for a 144Hz monitor.
2. Not in a rush: I would wait for the end of November and see if Nvidia announces a 3060(TI) or AMD a 6700(XT) (although as you say it would be unfortunate to lose v-sync) because if those cards retain 90% of the performance of the 3070 they would also be good to pair with a 144Hz 1440p monitor. If no announment happens, I would try to get a 3070 that might be more available by that time.
3. Want to maximize the effectiveness of your expenses: try to search for a used 2070 Super, 2080, 2080Super, 2080Ti at my evaluations (you can find them in the GPU Buyer's Guide video, I estimate that the used market prices will come down around the RDNA 2 launch in mid-November if supply is decent), they would also grant you a great gaming experience, and keep the savings to make an upgrade to a 4K 120Hz+ monitor and a Hopper/RDNA3 GPU in 0.5-1-5 years when they come out!
@@factcheck1845 Thank you for your reply, right now I'm running i5-3570K and 1070. you could say I'm in more rush of new PC than a GPU. I am very excited to build new PC, my recent post on r/buildapc (www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/jlr9l3/rtx_3080_or_6800xt_build/) around 1700-1800$. I can't stand the CPU bottleneck anymore. I'm waiting for next week to see review and make decision on CPU, and build new pc (stay with 1070) until I can get 3070/3080 or even RX 6800 XT. The 3080 is overkill but I would like to stay highest setting 1040p for 2-3 years ?
Zen 3 would go well with big navi but Ray Tracing is not as good as RTX, will see if it can live up with the hype.
@@KaiLe-1412 I don't know if the 3070 will be enough for the highest settings for the next 3 years at 1440p but I wouldn't care too much honestly. There are, in most games, a couple of settings that don't impact too much the visual quality but that give you a good performance uplift.
My reasoning would be that since you can't take advantage of the 3080 right now, if you don't mind selling on the used market, let's say in 1-1.5 years, there will likely be a 500$ option that will match or beat the 3080, with more VRAM (a nice thing to have for future games in 4K) and that will probably consume less than 250W on a 6-5nm node.
Selling a 3070, or even better an eventual 3060/6700 at around 400$, in a year or two, you won't lose more than 100-150$ depending on what will be available by that time (so even if the used cards will lose more value than predicted, it would be because there will be even better options new than predicted), so there's no probable loss even if one does something as normally inconvinient as upgrading in just 1 generation.
And maybe by owning a 3070/3060 you wouldn't even have any urge to upgrade by that time, cause it satisfies your gaming needs (unless you end up upgrading you monitor as well)!
The 3080 has it's own drawbacks such as the 10Gb of VRAM and the 320W power consumption at full load.
So in my opinion, the 3080 is worth it only if you can use it to its full potential *today* , even if you could spend a lot of money, unless you'd like to make a generous donation to Jensen, I don't see a reason to put the money into something that would not make any real difference.
Yeah! I'm too very excited to see the RYZEN 5000 performance! That also would be an insane upgrade from a 3570K!
*After seeing the reviews numbers*
Nothing changes, the educated guesses and estimations were roughly correct to the point that it makes no difference to the conclusions of this video. Also many reviewers do agree on my statement about the 5800X to be oddly priced and that it makes sense to just spend 100$ more to get the 5900X if budget allows that. My guess is that a 5600 and a 5700X will come out as soon as the demand for the 5800X, the 5950X (it has 2CCX that might be used for 2 5800X) and the 5600X comes under the supply capabilities, perhaps just after the holiday season, but hopefully sooner.
*After the RDNA2 announcement and have to slightly change my recommendation about the 5600X vs 3700X for gaming the given new information*
Specifically, considering the "smart access memory" feature which is, as far as my understanding goes, a way for the CPU to have a sort of access to the 6000 series AMD GPU's GDDR6 16GB which can significantly improve performance (from 2-12% from the (I guess) favourable data they showed).
In light of this, I think the 5600X becomes the better option for gaming over the 3700X, 3600XT, 3600X, 3600 and 10600K at the prices considered in the video if you're planning to pair it with RDNA2 and a 500 series chipset. I also estimate that the 5600X will keep a higher resale value in the used market over the 3700X for this feature.
At the same price, would you still recommend the 5600x over the 9900k? I'm planning to pair a 3080 or 6800xt with it. The core count of the 5600x worries me
Personally I would say if you are gonna overclock it and you are playing at 1080p, the 9900K is a good buy at price parity with the 5600X at approximately 300$/€ since I would say it's very comparable to a 10700K.
You might search for benchmarks for the games that you play to further refine this choice.
I would not really stress too much about core-count in a vaccum but just about the actual performance on your specific usecases.
3:40 y u focus on the american market? aren't you italian? u live in the states?
Hi Leo! Yes I live in Italy, but I focus on American prices and market because it's the most popular country to watch tech videos! But I'd say that the Italian market and I assume west-European one, are pretty similar to US, so most of the the conclusions don't change much, and can be pretty much safely applied to the European market as well.
One big difference though is availability of products (for example I can't find the Cooler Master NR200 in Italy), or for sometimes very different prices such as for the LG 27GN950 that goes for 1000€ in Italy instead of the 800$ for US.