My New 106 Rallye Gets Checked Out By Experts At Pug1OFF..
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- My 106 Rallye was an expensive little car.. the idea being it should be a fairly good example not needing too much work. Today I find out when I take it to be looked over at Peugeot experts Pug1Off to see if there is any rust or mechanical problems that need addressing.
You can fix most of that yourself Jack,you’ve got the skills😉
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and we all want to see you try . . . Why was that car following so close at the beginning ???
For the exhaust drone look into a Helmholtz resonator or a quarter wave resonator that tees into the exhaust. I’ve just fitted a Helmholtz resonator which has transformed the sound of my exhaust. Take a recording in the car of the drone and use a spectrum analyser on your PC to see which frequency is loudest. Then you can use an online calculator to work out the dimensions of a resonator to suppress that frequency.
I've never understood putting rock hard suspension on a road car, my 1998 146 has teeth rattling suspension and I'd love just firm but with some give. Hope you get it sorted looks a great little car my mate has the 106 XSI as a road/track car.
Nice video Jack, great little car. I'm old enough to remember them coming out and all the special editions, there were many like ski, aztec, key west, etc etc.
good evening jack, if you pay top notch prices, are you not supposed to get top notch cars?
there hasn't been any love shown to this little car in a while... mates eh...
the stiffer the suspension, the more shock loading put through that crisp-packet thin boot floor, softer suspension + rust repairs to the rear floor needs to go to the top of the list, i've recovered 2 of those little buggers [i am old] with the suspension pushed up through the floor, the second one pushed the girls pushchair/pram up through the back window, showering the kid [in his babyseat] in glass keep up the good work young man
Try folding an old duvet up inside the boot covering the whole boot floor to get rid of the exhaust drone. Worked a treat in my rx8 with its thin boot floor.
Jack, Re the ride quality I’d definitely consider the tyres too, I have those Nankang’s on my Caterham and find them much stiffer than a regular road tyre, which is great for turn in etc but had a really noticeable effect on the ride quality. Grip is great (not done a winter yet though!) but there’s no way I’d put them on a daily because of how stiff they are ( trackday tyre after all). Having had a 106 Rallye (and later a gti6) back in the day, I remember how compliant these 90’s pugs were, and not sure a stiff tyre is the right answer. So might be worth trying to borrow a set of wheels and tyres before committing to new dampers. Mine was Blue too, very jealous! 🙂
Totally agree. Track tyres have a much stiffer sidewall - probably worth trying (borrowing maybe) some standard tyres before swapping the suspension.
Also the camber and toe setup might not fit the tyres anyway.
Thanks Jack, great to see it's basically sound, with just a couple of bits to get it right, so you don't escape all tinkering! Enjoy your Rallye experience! 🙏
Bilstein B4s are an OE equivalent damper so I'd suggest you want something a bit better than those. B8s as you have now are competition and, as you have found, too firm for the road. You need a set of B6s. These are non-adjustable (and all the better for it) and are for fast road and work perfectly with std springs too. Better than OE by a country mile but give a great ride and handling. I must admit I don't have a Pug but have B6s on my Golf Mk2 GTI and am extremely pleased with them.
The b6 will ride just the same as the b8 only difference is b8 is made to work with lowering springs
Otherwise b6/b8 is identical
There is only one difference between the B6 and the B8 and that is the length of the shock (damper). The B6s are the same length as the original dampers and are made to use in combination with orginal springs. The B8 are shorter than the original dampers and are made exclusively to use in combination with lowering springs. Therefore you have to change both the shocks and the springs to improve the comfort of the ride.
very nice video my friend hope you enjoy this masterpiece of driving pleusure..i have a gti 2002 and is all factory without either exchaust..i have the kyb ultra sr for almost 5 years with factory dampers and they are work perfect..and is very informated in cornering with speed...they are no expensive so you can give it a chance...
Love this car, Jack. Keep the videos coming. Keep the car as original as possible and find the best modern tyre that matches the original spec.
Jack, regarding your Ferrari. I saw a video of a car fouling plugs due to leaky spark plug tubes, it was a Nissan and they had to replace the valve covers due to no individual tube gaskets could be had. Just a thought that maybe oil could be coming from a bad seal around your spark plugs and the valve covers.
I always found these older pugs just don't gel well with bilsteins, if you want to sort the ride out then standard springs with either some pug/kyb or Sachs shocks
I’ve found the B8’s pretty stiff on other cars. A B4 damper seems to be softer and a better compromise for an out and out road car.
In my opinion B6 is perfect for a sportier road use. B4 should be the same stiffness as OEM but B6 are 30% stiffer. I have B6 with eibach prokit springs on mine and its perfect for street use.
Glad that nothing serious was wrong, it's a good buy. It looks like that under bonnet suspension brace has been removed, good. Also take off the one underneath, they're totally unnecessary on a road car. All they'll do is put your insurance premium up because you'll have to declare such an obvious modification if you don't and the car is involved in an accident the insurance would be invalid. An assessor would spot it straight away. Put the standard shockers back on and the original size and spec tyres, the car will be much better for it.
Wicked little car, but as a Clio 182 owner, I do have a soft spot for French racing blue hot hatches
Enjoying this little car show. Only a handful of cars I was tempted buy new and this was one. If I could snap one up for a bargain I would, especially in this colour. Never had a Nova but this was the only Nova sport successor, (which was and always will be an icon). Very rare small engine super light rally car, cheap to buy, not to insure!
Re the exhaust, try adding a resonator, bear in mind that this has virtually no sound deadening, maybe look into it?
It might save friendships to have a rust check before buying a car from a friend, rather than after. The psychology of negotiations somehow becomes different.
Adding weight or changing the position of the hangers on the exhaust might shift the frequency to something less annoying.
Thanks for the videos. I've recently bought a low mileage 1.1 after realising the prices of the sporty models has gone up so much. My plan is to upgrade the suspension to standard Rallye spec so it was interesting to hear your comments about the shock absorbers. The ride on mine over bumps is very good so I don't want to make it overly stiff. I was thinking of trying a bigger rear ARB and some standard spec Rallye shocks all round but not sure which ones to go for. I did wonder if you can still get them from Peugeot.
IIRC back in the day these were droney anyway particularly around 60-75mph which is irritating in the UK. And the 1.6 8v is not a particularly characterful motor, the one I had was very "meh" and frankly a disappointment compared to the earlier 1.4 in the XSi. But just my opinion.
Cracking little car Jack 👍🏻
I remember these I haven't seen one for years nice to see it👍
Getting settled in with a new car is always an adventure. But don't let it distract you from the work ahead that must be done on Influenzo.
Need to do a service on my 106gti quiksilver now back from torquay the english riviera, the sky was a blue as your 106 rally down there! 👍🏝
Looks pretty good for a UK car! A good tip : try and remove the spare tire by lowering it and GREASE the mechanism, these are very prone for seizing up. When you get a flat you will not be in for a surprise because the wheel does not want to come off. These are superb little cars, but you need to do a lot of preventive maintenance and keep a head gasket on stock at home 🤪
Jack-If the rest of the exhaust system is solid, and the only thing that bothers you is the teenage racer noise it makes, why not just fit a different, grown-up muffler, rather than going through the expense of changing the whole system?
Best wishes with your 106 my sister has a 94 106 1 litre with 163 thousand and also a 98 106 automatic wit 63 thousand 1.4 no rust issues we have treated them but great cars and they had a electric one in the early years we didn't get them in Ireland so they were a bit ahead of there time best wishes with Pepe junior
Hi Jack, re other comments on here look at the tires, NS2Rs ride quite poorly and are quite loud, good for a cheap trackday tire, not on the road so much i found in an old 90s impreza sti. Enjoying your content, keep it up!
just booked my in now a Pug1Off :)
Wow!!!!! That's a LOT of money!!!
Awesome little car that. Hard to beat that colour combo especially with the steelies.
Fun little car. Nice vlog. Keep up the good work.
Seen you flying through Chipping Norton, looks great in the sun.
French cars are renown for leaning over on their suspension somewhat more than most. It's a typical French custom to run a soft setting for a street car and rely on its chassis design a little more than most to corner well. Grab some B6's and let the chassis and steering geometry do its work and embrace the better ride quality.
You aren't a track day guy, Jack. As mentioned below some sound deadening sheets may do wonders for your "boominess" without the expense and slight performance loss of removing the Skorpion full system.
bullet proof engines, cheap yto fix and any garage can work on it, £200 bills for a 106 equates to £800on a modern hatch.
bought mine as a courtesy car but its now a keeper.
I have also found 90s peugeot works best with softer suspension, my 405 Mi16 has B4 and standard springs all around, just slightly firmer than the 50k miles OE one, soaked up all the bumps nicely.
These era of Peugeot does not have very stiff floor board, stiffer suspension only makes the body flexing more preventing the suspension keeping it's geometric.
Lastly tire stiffness and weight also plays a role here, these cars have small tires, there is not much weight on each wheel. Any small changes in sidewall stiffness and wheel weight can have dramatic impact on ride quality.
Modern car tyres come in XL spec. XL = Extra Load which means stiffer sidewalls and poorer ride quality even on OE standard suspension. Thus much stiffer less give in the sidewalls.
Some years ago, when UNIROYAL introduced their latest Rainsports, RS5s I fitted four new ones to my ZT-T 1.8T all round. The ride quality was poor even allowing for the MG ZTs more stiffer suspension to allow for sharper handling. I usually run my tyres 3 or 4 psi over recommended. Dropping that down to 30psi front and 29 psi rear transformed the ride and handling of my car with those XL spec tyres.
My most recent purchase, a V8 ZT260, had even worse ride quality. Now the recommended is around 35 psi front and rear and when I got the chance, I checked the tyre pressures. 40psi all round. Dropped that down to around the manufacturer recommended and ride quality immediately improved. Could be better though. Still getting to know the car.
I shall avoid XL spec tyres next time I buy new. Previously, I had RS2s and RS3s on the family's cars and they were just fine. No sign of XL letters on the sidewalls.
It's simple little things like that which can make a BIG difference.
Nice car, I own the S1 version, love it :)
nice to see you've got a good one...
Love this latest little car.
Maybe it's obvious but larger caster angle makes it more relaxed, less nervous but it's harder to turn the wheels. It's like with a bicycle, the road bikes have high frame head angle, and DH bikes or cruisers have very low frame head angle.
I hope I got it right
Super little car and an enjoyable series, if I were to do the same for the budget I'd go for a Fiesta ST as I'm mechanically inept and am scared of rust! That would make an interesting comparison video if you were able to borrow one..?
interested in the skorpion exhaust ! sold one years ago and wish i never had.
‘I’m going to Pug one off’ my thoughts exactly but it’s too warm…
Can’t even wait for Jodie Kidds channel… flipping Nigel Mansell on there no doubt droning away 🤣🤣🤣
Congratulations jack for your choice a r real drivers car
You mightn’t like the sound from inside - “boomy”, I think you said - but the note’s good from the outside.
Great you can catch the rust early.
I do like the rallyes
More caster will give you more turn in camber, and so handle a little better.
What a cool car. Pepe Junior is a perfect name :)
What a great Pocket-Rocket!
Awesome video, awesome car 😎👌 I was thinking about getting my geometry set up, but having watched this I definitely will 👍 thanks dude..... did Matt say anything about the best suspension for road use?
Shame these have gotten a bit expensive Cracking cars. From my experience with fast Peugeots I tend not to fiddle too much with the suspension, especially on UK roads. My 405 Mi16 had totally OE suspension. My 205 and 309 GTi had B6 shocks and OE everything else. They're pretty good as standard
I've got sound deadening material (the foamy stuff) in the boot of my 205gti and that gets rid of the droning sound
After I sold my 106GTI with 100.000 miles, I heard the complete underpinnings had te be exchanged. Totally worn out.
A Peugeot not on Peugeot dampers is a huge mistake. It ruins the car.
Awesome, glad she’s a good one 👍
Wow. That is expensive. Hope you don’t have to spend too much to sort it. Nice wee car though.
Sounds like a great buy 👍🚀
Sounds really nice 🙂.
4:40 you sounded slightly worried there :)
Keep the exhaust, get a helmholtz resonator fitted. You'll need a spectrum analyser app on your phone to find the drone frequency and then a little math to calculate the chamber and neck size. Just had a system made for my Audi S4 (V8). Sounded brilliant but droned. Helmholtz resonators killed the drone but did not change the character of the exhaust. Should make for some great content!
The number plate alone is probably worth a bit, right?
I'm sure you can sort the 106 out Jack, my mate had one a 106 Rallye back in the day and I had an AX GT and I always found my car better? Maybe try a GT if You can Find one Jack? 👍
I owned two AX GTs way back and loved them. Such fun cars to drive hard.
@@Rascularvideos Totally agree! Mine was my pride and joy...... I'd love another!
Infinity Exhausts close to you 86 decibel twin box sports exhaust great value made to measure sell the Scorpion boomer !
If you still don't want it, I would be interested in the exhaust system. I 'm bored of my stock system...
Jack, never saw an update on Pepe Snr.
Did you manage to find the culprit or get insurance to sort?
The more positive caster the more the car wants to go straight, it doesn't follow divots and undulations in the road and is more stable at speed, my ford GT with a much worked Rover V8 was 3 dgrees of positive caster and about 1-1.5 degrees camber, it was very stable at 160kph and handled like it was on rails with all the other changes but and absolute bitch to parallel park, you would walk and extra mile just so you could use an angle car park
An identical 106 Rallye in same condition as yours costs 6.900 GBP at a dealer here in Denmark. Cheapest private sale is 4.500 GBP sp if you have paid 1.400 for yours it is a complete bargain.
Jack paid £8,500 for this one!!
Fit a better quality centre resonator should sort the drone out
8500 quid it should be mint Wally.
Interesting videos 👍
Crazy prices nowaday !
Get a standard exhaust system on it, with standard manifold. Think the tubular ones are over rated especially on a standard engine.
There is no need to source an original shifter as the short shifter should be adjustable and can be almost like stock
if i was you i would got back to standard manifold and exhaust to stop the boy racer sound
I think you should settle on Pepito
A car from when Peugeot engineers knew what they were doing and produced a jewel...it's sad that it fell into the hands of a Kwikfit fitter who almost ruined it...now coming back from the dead.
On the bass of comedians selling barn finds for £7k or imports for £13k I think you've done OK with this, at least your money will be safe I think. Small, fun, economical, what's not to like??
Would love to know the bill they charged 🤔
Could it be the ns2r tyres causing the ride issue with the stiff side walls?
I bet more 106s and AX are still on the road compared to Mercedes of the same period!
Are OMP anti-rollbars standard equipment?
Not bad condition for a car thats over 20 years old , my poor 17 year old Colt sadly same cannot be said , so many major issues that i may be scrapping it by next mot , shame as its a rare car in the UK now
Colt CZT?
i thought the 106 rallye was a 1.3L not 1.6
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It’s a track/rally car….. got a diff an box for that sort of use……. Not really a car for the road….. unless you change those bits….a screamer on the road I’m afraid😵💫…… nearly bought one myself , till I drove it 🙄
Did you get more than $8k for the Alfa?
Have Bilstein B8's on the back of my 306, with H&R coilovers up front. The ride is firm, not too harsh but it is a lot heavier car than a 106 of course. I'm pretty sure you'd not like the full poly engine and suspension setup but the buzzing dashboard doesn't really bother me. The excellent handling and improved gearchanging more than makes up for it. I'm wondering, if your engine lets go, would you replace it with the 16 valver from the GTi ?
Nice Rallye!! I would add a glass pack (that’s what we call it here in the US). I had the same problem with mine, too loud and 3k drone, glass pack took care of that. I would love that exhaust.
Bilstein B8’s are great, suck it up!
What tires are you running?
B4s are just oem replacements
Wow. £8400🤯. Not sure about that🤣.
Too bad that it is WAY to expensive to have the Bilstein B8's re-valved or re-springed to make them more compliant. Throw them in the bin and find a set of used stock shocks.
RUclips, the only place where fully grown men give names to their cars.
Nah, grown men name their cars in all walks of life. Not me though.... Nope... No way.
@@jamesowen418 Only in childrens comedy drama from the 70's.
Gaiters need changing, pin for gear shifter, a bit of rust and rear brake compensator, much sucking if teeth 😂😂
Was that 8,400 or A thousand 400?
8,400
@@malcolmhardwick4258 that makes me feel a lot better about what I spent on my car
More than a few hundred bucks for an old, small slow french car? That's beyond me. But hey, still cheaper than ape NFTs, so obviously good "value"...
Caveat emptor
Pug one off.
So, Pepe Le Pooh is not a complete stinker then after all Number 27.