So I've talked up Honda a lot but frankly now? I feel like I undersold it still! So let's deep dive into the meaning of some of these buffs beyond the surface level and learn the joys of sumo!!!
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It's grand how well you follow the nuances of these characters and concisely detail their changes. Appreciate the Honda affection, he's really grown on me in SF6 with how supportive and friendly he is to the avatar
There's even more to talk about yet too that's not in the vid but gotta save something for the big honda guide coming up. Once all the summer game fest stuff is done I'll start working on that. Also SGF soon! Fatal fury trailer now confirmed and plenty more I'm sure
Its so crazy that you just uploaded this, I decided to pick up and try honda out since I had never before (new player) than i saw you comment on Justins video about Honda and how this was coming. Super excited to see it here today! Couldn't have come at a better time, thanks bro!
Now that Honda is an honest man. Did all the Honda haters shift there ire onto Geif? I've seen alot memes on Twitter making fun of those who besmirching the good name of grapplers.
@@Boom_OH I like grapplers, I just wish most of there moves weren't some bs cutscenes. Make specials look the same way they did in SFA3 or SF Third Strike
Thank you for this video, I played Honda in season 1 but dropped him cause it was a struggle with him but very happy with his normal buffs, want to give him another chance 👍😀
A setup I found is that after sumo stance 2p, you can go into dr cmp into sumo spirit. After that u can meaty cmk or smp for pressure. In the corner u can even threaten a command grap or normal grap
Honestly I love your content and Ive been following it since I came to SF6 but I wish you added How to deal with the issue, counter match ups, and personal dangers for Honda in his mix up. I Think I would find that enjoyable in your style.
If you can get into range with sMP to do a follow up cLP, it combos on hit and provides a 3-frame trap on block. Been having a lot of success with this. Also, after sumo splash in combos, sLK is a good frame kill to follow up with cMK or heavy Ochio. There's my contribution.
Loving your commitment to the big man Rooflemonger but please help I’m losing my mind as to why the pushback on his blocked headbutts are inconsistent? Hasn’t anyone else noticed this??
Can’t wait to play my boy again. I dropped him because once I got to d4 Honda had no fundamental tools for me to use and people got really good at perfect parry on head but so can’t wait to use Honda
I mean I did my placements as Gief (my main), and got Silver III Then I did them with Honda (who's closer to my third most used than my second) And got Gold III Just a fun observation
It’s definitely unintuitive compared to doing motions but if you do decide to give Honda or any other charge character a shot (but please just pick Honda because he’s the best) just remember your ABCs ALWAYS BE CHARGING. Any time you don’t need to walk forward hold down back or back. Just always try to revert your direction to down back or just back. Dash up immediately hold down back or back. A small tip like that should honestly help out a bunch of:)
As always, great video and information. Thank you Roof. Quick question for you and the audience. I'm gonna pick up SF6. Should I buy it for my Playstation 4 Pro or Xbox-Series-X. I don't have a Playstation 5. I feel there's nothing on there that warrants a purchase. The advantage to getting it on the Playstation 4 Pro is that I have a Quanba Obsidian Fight Stick. I don't have a Fight Stick for my Xbox-Series-X. Most of my fighting games are on my Playstation 4 Pro. I watched quite a few videos and what I'm seeing is that on the " next gen " systems there are 60 FPS in the story mode and better graphics and more NPCs on the screen. But most videos say that other than the 60 FPS and the extra graphical detail, the PlayStation 4 Pro is just as good as the PS5 or Xbox-Series-X . Your thoughts?
i'll push back a bit on the -3 headbutt changes since he's now at a range where he has to hold 6 frame normal pressure outside of buffered perfect parry window and you also can't jab to challenge it, both of which make it pretty hard to steal a turn off of blocked headbutt (but by no means impossible). fine with me tho since i think hands based honda is way cooler anyways lol
He could use a bit more buffs - Cr.Hp link into headbutt - target comb (mp~df+k) links into hundred hand slap. - Stomp (df+hk) can be charged, and has armor. - hand slap buff now has two stocks. - Clap (d,d+p) now has an OD version that crumples
there's just one small problem with your "punish counter throw" that if you don't press a button immediately honda takes infinite turns after headbutt now.
@@Rooflemonger No he doesn't because he pressed parry. You yourself said he was perfect parrying so he's in parry recovery and gets thrown. Obviously it's easy to say that you can mind read your opponent and your opponent is a brainless dummy who has no capability for mixing up their options. This is akin to, let's see, saying that you should never meaty someone with a reveral because they might wake up ex DP.
@@Rooflemonger You think it is a good situation to be in at -3 in throw range of the opponent? If your opponent blocks headbutt you're doing minimal damage to their od meter in exchange for putting yourself in a 50/50. And that's a best case scenario. Parry? You get punished. DI? You die. DP? Punished. Any armored move? Punished. Headbutt sucks donkey balls and it is only rivaled in how bad it is by buttslam, which unless your opponent has brain damage should mean you die unless you hit them going upwards. So what does honda have? 1 useable special move(command grab), a bottom 5 special move(headbutt) and 3 combo tool special moves(butt slam, slaps and his command run)
Please if you can roofles. We need a manon guide. Please if you have the time. For us grappler bros. I jumped on manon because she can combo into grabs like king and king is the best ever. Even if you leave it for last we don't complain. Keep making amazing content like this.
I played against a Honda who neutral jumped me all day and whiff punished me with that I assume is jumping heavy punch anytime I failed to anti-air him.
A target-combo-into-grab option with silly-long range? A relatively simple combo to really put the hurt on wake-up DP users? I really have to shift Honda from a character I mess around with sometimes to someone I give an honest chance.
Honda is uniquely suited against akuma in that hes probably the single best character against air fireball. It cant handle buttslam as a response cause hes invincible to the fireball as an air attack
@@Rooflemonger yeah I was trying Honda in high plat/diamond and he does actually have some good tools against him. Akumas still a tad overturned but it's surprising how well characters like Honda and Gief do against him.
"He's come a long way from bottom tier" Then I look on Twitter the CatCammy matchup chart based on 1800+ MR ranked matches for July and E. Honda is literally the worst character in the entire game, bottom 1.
Imo this is Copium. As a Honda main, his best buff is the hard knockdown after butt slam. That sets up true 50/50 situations. sMP is the second best. That being said, I don't think any of his actual match-ups have improved with the changes. In some cases, considering everyone else's buffs, they are worse.
if you think its copium you got a lot more to learn. Yes buttslam is a big change and that will all be covered in the big guide but his overall everything is so much better off
Even with the Buff I barely see people using this character. Most poeple preffer badass characters like Ken Akuma Shotos.. Honda and Blanca should not be in this roster I rather have other characters.
Not sure Honda was ever honest 😅, he was one of the most hated characters in season 1 with his newbie friendly spam attacks. Heck, you could get to master with just those two moves... Always a pain to fight Honda, even a newbie...
@@itstaeday in 1 day? yeah, how many other characters you already had in master before starting off from diamond? My statement goes for the average player. Given great matchup and game mechanics knowledge, sure you can avoid getting two-shot in platinum-diamond and make it through mr with enough buttslams. I bet someone could even do it by spamming jabs
So I've talked up Honda a lot but frankly now? I feel like I undersold it still! So let's deep dive into the meaning of some of these buffs beyond the surface level and learn the joys of sumo!!!
Sumo content is good content. Never stop with the Honda content!
On behalf of all the honda mains, thank you sir!
As a top honda player in the US. I appreciate the content 😂
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Babe, wake up, Rofflemonger is talking about E. Honda again.
Babe I haven't slept in 3 months
if there's 7 billion people on earth. Surely statistically one person has woke up their partner this way. Please.
It's grand how well you follow the nuances of these characters and concisely detail their changes. Appreciate the Honda affection, he's really grown on me in SF6 with how supportive and friendly he is to the avatar
There's even more to talk about yet too that's not in the vid but gotta save something for the big honda guide coming up. Once all the summer game fest stuff is done I'll start working on that. Also SGF soon! Fatal fury trailer now confirmed and plenty more I'm sure
Can't wait!
Your my inspiration to pick up and play honda, its amazing what you know, super excited for the next guide!
Please, I wanna get the knowledge of Honda in season 2
BIG HONDA GUIDE, you say?? That would be very welcome. I'm at the floor in D1, slightly stumped as to how to improve.
E. Honda had a long study session and he's finally gotten to C+ Honda!
Ive never seen a tier list with anything below b+ in this game
*Kara-Poke-Grabs*
Its so crazy that you just uploaded this, I decided to pick up and try honda out since I had never before (new player) than i saw you comment on Justins video about Honda and how this was coming. Super excited to see it here today! Couldn't have come at a better time, thanks bro!
"Now he's DOWNRIGHT DECENT"
Ya know we'll take what we can get lmao
0:11 "...a Honda-friendly channel..." understatement of the century, 😆
Roofle gonna win Capcom Cup with Honda, mark my words!!!
The Honda in me grows again. No idea but I picked him up the day I bought the game.
Now that Honda is an honest man. Did all the Honda haters shift there ire onto Geif? I've seen alot memes on Twitter making fun of those who besmirching the good name of grapplers.
People don't like grapplers being strong I guess. I never understood it.
@@Boom_OH I like grapplers, I just wish most of there moves weren't some bs cutscenes. Make specials look the same way they did in SFA3 or SF Third Strike
@@Boom_OH People hate it when things other than combos are strong. See also: zoners.
That video found me very well. I'm going to go out and play some Honda, right freaking now! Thank you again, Rooflemonger.
Sir I’m gonna need that guide, you’ve sold me 🔥
Thank you for this video, I played Honda in season 1 but dropped him cause it was a struggle with him but very happy with his normal buffs, want to give him another chance 👍😀
All that training in the character select screen finally paid off.
I appreciate the E. Honda love as a Honda main ‼️
Awesome stuff , I’ll definitely rewatch this so I can continue to learn. *This true love w3 making*
I encounter some honda players I'm like man what I do is hard now but is fun
A setup I found is that after sumo stance 2p, you can go into dr cmp into sumo spirit. After that u can meaty cmk or smp for pressure. In the corner u can even threaten a command grap or normal grap
Honestly I love your content and Ive been following it since I came to SF6 but I wish you added How to deal with the issue, counter match ups, and personal dangers for Honda in his mix up. I Think I would find that enjoyable in your style.
adding matchups to any guide would be as long as the guide itself honestly. I know I test peoples patience as it is with the many hour long videos
i love whenever your videos buffer at the start and you just say "hell"
A video about Honda ! Nice ! thanks you
If you can get into range with sMP to do a follow up cLP, it combos on hit and provides a 3-frame trap on block. Been having a lot of success with this. Also, after sumo splash in combos, sLK is a good frame kill to follow up with cMK or heavy Ochio. There's my contribution.
Love ur vids! Let's get it Honda!
Finally got online, & watched this vid. Good one. Thanks.
Loving your commitment to the big man Rooflemonger but please help I’m losing my mind as to why the pushback on his blocked headbutts are inconsistent? Hasn’t anyone else noticed this??
Can’t wait to play my boy again. I dropped him because once I got to d4 Honda had no fundamental tools for me to use and people got really good at perfect parry on head but so can’t wait to use Honda
the day of the headbutt aka "dosukoi" aka "activate human torpedo" has come
That 5mp 3hk ex command grab has longer reach than his 5hp, reminds me of kara potemkin buster 😂
"He's now all the way more honest".
I get E.Honda is basically the remedy to all the Kens out there but the way You put it just threw me off 😂
Sweet, will come back and watch again when I'm sick of akuma 😁
I don't love Honda but I love that you love Honda
Yesssss! More Honda content :D
Not a Honda fan, but a Rooflemonger fan, so here the like and the comment.
For some reason I´m not able to get the overhead stomp +power up buff shown on 11:20 Any advice?
Someone once told me pineapple on pizza is a hundred hand slap in the face.
This video inspired me to play Honda, and i got him to Platinum 3 :P
Congrats man :D
@@garbz1414 thank you :)
Dang this makes me want to pick up Honday! Are you going to do a more overall S2 Honda guide?
a full honda guide will be coming in a week or so
@@Rooflemonger Let's go!
I mean
I did my placements as Gief (my main), and got Silver III
Then I did them with Honda (who's closer to my third most used than my second)
And got Gold III
Just a fun observation
"we live in a world cursed by sin." ....amen brother!
the medium punch - drive rush into command throw catches a lot of people off guard. he's arguably a better grappler than Manon!
The way he says 'Hello welcome' reminds me of Chahat Fateh Ali Khan 😂
Those are good neutral honda is back let.s go 😆
you could also combo mp into EX forward hands into oicho throw if its blocked
Honda looks cool but no matter how much I try, I can't seem to wrap my head around charge characters.
Yeah me too, they work so differently
It’s definitely unintuitive compared to doing motions but if you do decide to give Honda or any other charge character a shot (but please just pick Honda because he’s the best) just remember your ABCs ALWAYS BE CHARGING.
Any time you don’t need to walk forward hold down back or back. Just always try to revert your direction to down back or just back. Dash up immediately hold down back or back.
A small tip like that should honestly help out a bunch of:)
lots of peopel say this and I never understand. When we were kids charge were the most popular cause we all thought motions were too hard
As always, great video and information. Thank you Roof.
Quick question for you and the audience.
I'm gonna pick up SF6.
Should I buy it for my Playstation 4 Pro or Xbox-Series-X.
I don't have a Playstation 5. I feel there's nothing on there that warrants a purchase.
The advantage to getting it on the Playstation 4 Pro is that I have a Quanba Obsidian Fight Stick.
I don't have a Fight Stick for my Xbox-Series-X.
Most of my fighting games are on my Playstation 4 Pro.
I watched quite a few videos and what I'm seeing is that on the " next gen " systems there are 60 FPS in the story mode and better graphics and more NPCs on the screen.
But most videos say that other than the 60 FPS and the extra graphical detail, the PlayStation 4 Pro is just as good as the PS5 or Xbox-Series-X .
Your thoughts?
If your main controller is on ps4 go ps4 simple as that. Comfort is king
i'll push back a bit on the -3 headbutt changes since he's now at a range where he has to hold 6 frame normal pressure outside of buffered perfect parry window and you also can't jab to challenge it, both of which make it pretty hard to steal a turn off of blocked headbutt (but by no means impossible). fine with me tho since i think hands based honda is way cooler anyways lol
I see "Honda buffs", I click.
I'm working on getting to master with Manon, but once I do I'm thinking about learning Honda. I feel like it might be time to trade up slightly.
Rooflemonger got me on the Honda train. Choo Choo mutha fuckas dosukoi どすこい 💪👁️👄👁️🤙
His butt slam has buff that he can meaty overhead +5 on hit, he can kara cancel the stomp into command grab or buttslam to beat wake up dp.
King of the Mid-Tier, that's Honda
Justin was checking him out a bit, and thinks that E.Honda is solid now.
Shout out to my Chanko Chums! Powerful thighs for life!
He could use a bit more buffs
- Cr.Hp link into headbutt
- target comb (mp~df+k) links into hundred hand slap.
- Stomp (df+hk) can be charged, and has armor.
- hand slap buff now has two stocks.
- Clap (d,d+p) now has an OD version that crumples
Would you not still want to start a big punish with st.hp for the crumple?
You will always do more damage with buffed hands as punish
You have to check minus 3 buttons with frame 6 buttons so they can't just hold parry
hold parry doesn't work and never has? its 2f for perfect parry from when you press, not from when it activates
Season 2 had been great so far, came for Akuma stayed for Gief. It seems more characters are fun and viable nowadays. Plus the Jukebox is great.
I no rood you are not sleeping we have to guest characters for season 2 my brother in framedata i need to hear it from you
Just stopping by to say Honda was always top tier in my heart, and now he's (almost) top tier in the game, too.
Perfect parry after headbutt is gonna lose hard to long command grabs.
*Grins in grappler*
the new headbutt would never be used against gief, no value in putting yourself in command grab range so never bother.
There's just one small problem with your "just tap parry after headbutt lol" plan and it's called punish counter throw
there's just one small problem with your "punish counter throw" that if you don't press a button immediately honda takes infinite turns after headbutt now.
@@Rooflemonger
No he doesn't because he pressed parry. You yourself said he was perfect parrying so he's in parry recovery and gets thrown. Obviously it's easy to say that you can mind read your opponent and your opponent is a brainless dummy who has no capability for mixing up their options.
This is akin to, let's see, saying that you should never meaty someone with a reveral because they might wake up ex DP.
@@Rooflemonger You think it is a good situation to be in at -3 in throw range of the opponent? If your opponent blocks headbutt you're doing minimal damage to their od meter in exchange for putting yourself in a 50/50. And that's a best case scenario. Parry? You get punished. DI? You die. DP? Punished. Any armored move? Punished. Headbutt sucks donkey balls and it is only rivaled in how bad it is by buttslam, which unless your opponent has brain damage should mean you die unless you hit them going upwards. So what does honda have? 1 useable special move(command grab), a bottom 5 special move(headbutt) and 3 combo tool special moves(butt slam, slaps and his command run)
Standing medium punch is better than dhlasims
13:20 me in plat 3 (they take their turn too late, if at all)
Please if you can roofles. We need a manon guide. Please if you have the time. For us grappler bros. I jumped on manon because she can combo into grabs like king and king is the best ever. Even if you leave it for last we don't complain. Keep making amazing content like this.
well I got the old one from last year, minus the changes everything there is still applicable
They did a great job on this patch from everything I've seen. It's like these devs actually understand their game.
time to go back to Happy Honda
Hello and...
DOSUKOI
BIG ROOFS!
I played against a Honda who neutral jumped me all day and whiff punished me with that I assume is jumping heavy punch anytime I failed to anti-air him.
If you don't like the video from that thumbnail alone, what are you even doing with your life?
Here went from hated to Hondalander rather quickly now didn't he? Lol 🔥🙏🏾🔥
Inclusive with the Buffs, Honda gonna continue be unrepresented in competitive (Except Australia) Where Freeser win a tournament with only E Honda.
A target-combo-into-grab option with silly-long range? A relatively simple combo to really put the hurt on wake-up DP users?
I really have to shift Honda from a character I mess around with sometimes to someone I give an honest chance.
Haven't seen anyone use Honda at a tourney since the patch dropped. Coincidence? Might be. But 🤷🏽
Honda bless
Our Lord Honda will save us from the carried Akuma players 🙏
Honda is uniquely suited against akuma in that hes probably the single best character against air fireball. It cant handle buttslam as a response cause hes invincible to the fireball as an air attack
@@Rooflemonger yeah I was trying Honda in high plat/diamond and he does actually have some good tools against him. Akumas still a tad overturned but it's surprising how well characters like Honda and Gief do against him.
"He's come a long way from bottom tier"
Then I look on Twitter the CatCammy matchup chart based on 1800+ MR ranked matches for July and E. Honda is literally the worst character in the entire game, bottom 1.
Now we will get Honda whiners even when he is playing honest SF. Bleh :P
Guile is Broken.. I feel like his Flash Kick Hitbox is ridiculous like it hits full screen -_-
This is just a fraction of his true power.
Rubs hands* yessss mfers, fear the Honda
I was all like "cool" until that command grab from max poke range. That's just silly.
So, now charge characters only need to charge half second...
The only Hondas I like have a turbocharger! 😂
Youre fucking grinding m8
Imo this is Copium. As a Honda main, his best buff is the hard knockdown after butt slam. That sets up true 50/50 situations. sMP is the second best. That being said, I don't think any of his actual match-ups have improved with the changes. In some cases, considering everyone else's buffs, they are worse.
if you think its copium you got a lot more to learn. Yes buttslam is a big change and that will all be covered in the big guide but his overall everything is so much better off
The true copium is you saying "as a honda main" because it just makes it look like you're straight up downplaying
@@Rooflemonger Fair enough... I do have a bunch to learn to optimize him.
@@cosmic5665 I just said that to emphasize that I am not a Honda hater. I actually want him to be competitive.
DOSUKOI
3?
Honda is a hero
❤❤
Honda wins in Iron league. If you have never played a fighting game before he is a great way to start.
I wreck people with Hondasan. I got to master rank faster with him than with Kimberly. Guile and Ryu.
3!!
honda hits like a truck now?
Naw damage is basically the same, it's options and options are king
More chance to get sunshine buff so yes his damage increases
I have yet to see even a single Honda since they turn down the brain dead style.
Even with the Buff I barely see people using this character. Most poeple preffer badass characters like Ken Akuma Shotos.. Honda and Blanca should not be in this roster I rather have other characters.
Not sure Honda was ever honest 😅, he was one of the most hated characters in season 1 with his newbie friendly spam attacks.
Heck, you could get to master with just those two moves...
Always a pain to fight Honda, even a newbie...
You definitely cant reach master with just headbuttslam. Platinum is the ceiling for that kind of gameplan
@@Zomgbbq667yes you can lol. I did it for fun in 1 day
@@itstaeday in 1 day? yeah, how many other characters you already had in master before starting off from diamond? My statement goes for the average player. Given great matchup and game mechanics knowledge, sure you can avoid getting two-shot in platinum-diamond and make it through mr with enough buttslams. I bet someone could even do it by spamming jabs
Honestly, I can't wait till Akuma gets nerfed. I'm tired of playing all these mirror matches.