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Why Did you sand off $600 of paint?
because it was over 10 years old.
doesn't matter that paint wasn't going anywhere, all they needed was a light sanding and a quick repaint.
I hate to jump on the bandwagon, but you should watch the last few episodes of "Sailing UMA" they just spend thousands of dollars on Lithium batteries for their boat and found out that they only get 1 and 3/4 hours running time at 5 to 6 knots speed. What if you loose your rig? What if you hit several hours or days without wind? What if you're trying to out run a storm? I like the idea of electric, but it's still needs some work as far as I'm concerned.A full tank of diesel will probably last you almost a year with that boat. I have a !GM10 Yanmar that sips a little over a pint an hour at WOT. Can't do better than that! Also, a diesel can make electricity and be used to run a high capacity bilge pump. An electric can only draw your batteries down, then what hand pump for hours offshore? You're going to go to all the work, expense and still not have a system as good as the one you have. You can keep the diesel and always add an electric outboard if you want! Sorry but I think you are crazy taking that diesel out!!! Love you channel and both of you guys, your a great hard working couple and I wish you only the best!
You make some good points, but if I remember correctly, they already removed the deisel, so it's probably a moot point. I think the danger aspect is overrated, but the bilge pump and alternator is a good point. If it were me, I would cruise for a year and collect data about how they use it, and when they do go electric, have a Honda 2k generator as a means of generating electricity just in case.
I think they plan to train couple of dolphins and put them into harnesses to help aid in propulsion :)
There diesel wasn't working, but they had bought what they thought was an exact used replacement for 3000 dollars that was originally a generator motor, which unfortunately wouldn't work for some reason.That's when they decided to switch to electric. You'll never be able to bank enough electric power to motor very far. I'd rather use that solar to power a fridge/freezer or a/c unit. The new multi-stage compressors for refrigeratioin make it possible to run on small solar systems. While a generator is a good idea, it's something else to get stolen, another fuel to carry and something else to store. I wish you the best of luck, but I just don't think that electric is the way to go yet. I'll be watching you guys as always to find out. Hope your not upset with me for being so opinionated. As for going smaller I think it's the right idea with the right boat which you have. What a great boat! You were very lucky to find her! I myself went from a 38' to a 26'. I was so much more happy with the smaller boat, less cost, easier to maintain by one person and easier to handle. Unfortunately, due to health reasons I recently had to sell my sailboat and move to a trawler I just bought a 32' Grand Banks which has 4 solar panels on it! Again, good luck!!!
@@spinnaker5514 they seem pretty stoked about it, In fact there buying a new electric motor!
Oars, you guys are out of your minds and a outboard electric will out work for cruising, simply impossible
Electric engine would be fine for a river boat but I wouldn't want one for an offside sailing vessel. The batteries don't have the range and you've got no immediate way to charge them (short of a generator which defeats the object a bit) so you could be stuck mid ocean in bad weather thats a big no no for me.. I would stick with the diesel.. And stay safe guys.
Andy Smith Especially on a river (with shores so close, and tight manoevering) I would like to have a reliable and predictable boat engine.
Normally ocean weather comes with wind, so they'd likely hve both the wind gen and hydro gen working. In the Doldrums you generally have solar. Sure, with solar you're only barely ticking the engine over but 1 knot beats no knots...
I ask the same question as by others below. Why remove that paint, looked like it well protected the hull, would make a good primer if you wanted to change color. I liked the red/green combo. Working to death after redoing the deck on the bigger boat.
Many bottom paints require that the boat be launched within days of painting. 12 years (or whatever it was) is asking a lot.
Anytime you acquire a new boat I think its best to get into everything so you know what youre dealing with. Imho....
No not if you are going to hard sand and redcoat! Full coating removal is required when the coating has 'failed'. Failure of coating is identified by delimitation and pealing. If this is not occurring it means the bonding between layers is strong. My opinion is if the coating has not delaminated nor pealed after 10 years, there is EXCELLENT coating bonding and so keep it on but do a hard sand to prepare the surface for the new coat. Senior Surveyor Lloyd's Register!@@CorwynGC
@@georgexio5430 I was going to ask the same question, but you answered it quite reasonably.
You don't know what's underneath the paint they could have blistering underneath and you would never know it that's why it's great to remove all the paint when you get a new boat on the bottom
IMHO without a diesel engine, you are going to have to be extra careful about anchoring and lee shores. Two famous blue water cruisers of yesteryear who sailed without any engines at all include Larry Pardey and Don Street. However, why not keep your current diesel sailboat engine for a couple of years and see how many times it gets you out of trouble (safety first). Learn to become outstanding sailors first and perhaps then think about an electric motor.
Why bring the hull down to bare glass? I never did.. fun to blow your nose to see what comes out after sanding isn't it?
Except they were wearing respirators...
I've sanded plenty of bottoms with respirators you still get plenty of junk up your nose! No respirator has a perfect seal. The ones they started with always leak around the nose for me.
Never sanded the bottom of a hull so didn't know it gets everywhere...
I have posted up a lot on my views of electric auxiliary propulsion on Uma's videos enough that people well know my stance on it. If you rarely use your auxiliary then why would it really matter so much what it is you run on unless this is more about virtue signaling than marine propulsion anyway? Not trying to be THAT way but people are asking these things today and I have never been a bashful sort of snipe. Blowing 20K or more for a system that in the end will do nothing but devalue a classic blue water cruising vessel to me isn't the brightest thing anyone could do.
To me the lifepo 4 battery technology is one more aligned to backup teleco facilities and server rooms where the climate control needed to keep them at 72-74 degrees F is available. Replacing 14K in lifepo batteries every 10-12 years in a sub tropical or tropical environment where temperatures in the 90s and higher will just start baking the life out of them from the very 1st day they are installed has to be the most expensive auxiliary propulsion system idea I have ever heard of. If you were to actually run the little electric outboard you have for a few years in such an environment I think you would fairly well better understand the real deal instead of the sales brochure hype on those as well. Nobody I know who ever bought one of those little systems ever hung onto it after the first battery went bunk. That is why you see them all the time on Craigslist for cheap, once people see how little service is really available from those lifepo 4 battery packs they run right back to a more cost efficient propulsion system for their dinks.
Don't get me wrong here either because I LOVE the IDEA of electric propulsion. In addition to getting in and out of the slip, the availability of boat loads of electrical storage is as luxurious a thought as could be had by most cruisers. One which IMHO tilts the scales for many who look into these systems. Many just LOVE the idea of the prop regeneration as well. However you will never see any figures published about that because it is a pipe dream too for the most part. FAR more power is generated by a wind turbine without the drag on the hull entailed with dragging a prop large enough to actaully generate much of anything when you are trying to regen off a drive line designed for forward propulsion, not electrical power generation. So unless you want to blow some more money on a reversible pitch prop (FAR more, more, more money) it is way more productive and cost efficient to just run a folding prop and toss up a wind generator.
There has been a LOT of razz-matazz sales dreams totally based on pushing these systems out to people who have too much money to spend to devalue their boats with.
Now, lets look at what is up and coming for a moment because there are some very exciting developments coming down the stream. The first is the newer wave of affordable hydrogen cell technologies. Liquid hydrogen refining runs 1 USD pr US gallon right now. The power factors being gotten from the new line of coming HC to electric motor systems is 3 times that of current gasoline engines and 50% or better (higher total output pr gallon) than current diesel technologies. The only thing they emit is water. There has been a LOT of work on solar electric systems to convert that water (or any fresh water source) back into hydrogen as well. There are in fact hydrogen cells available for marine battery charging applications already, they run on alcohol and put out around 3KW pr gallon @ around 140 watt hours. Meaning we are VERY close to more powerful fuel cell technologies with at least one auto manufacturer now predicting the release of a hydrogen fueled electric car as early as next year. No noise from marine charging units now available and no emissions except for water mind you and they are very compact.
The DRY CELL lithium battery technology seems to have stalled. There are no thermal loading degradation evals out on them yet that I have seen but the power storage to weight ratios are said to be 4 TIMES that of current lifepo 4 batteries. I would not want to be the one hanging out in 5 years with a 14,000 USD lifepo 4 array if those get released provided they FINALLY get the storage AH to dollar cost in line with something REASONABLE.
On the more conventional side of the equation is the new Liquid Piston engine technology that doubles the power (cuts fuel usage down in the gasoline engines by 50%). TWICE the efficiency there. They only have few moving parts and IF they can keep the rotor properly cooled (I have done no extensive mathematics on that yet) should have stellar TBO ratings. MIT loves the thing and so does DARPA, enough so to fund them with millions (DARPA) and hand them awards (MIT). In addition, a diesel version of one large enough to power a cruising boat can be overhauled, and by a novice in a few hours at best! The power to weight factor is the most exciting thing there because the first gasoline models are slated for portable electric generators. Those will be light enough, and powerful enough to give your little electric cutter enough electricity in a pinch to run at 6 kts and SHOULD be smaller and weigh less than a Honda 2000I. No projections yet as to what the diesel version of that engine will do except for a power to weight projection up to 1/10th that of current diesels. It could be very revolutionary. Something like that would go miles in filling the cruising void left by the lifepo 4 battery technology.
I spent about 2 years putting together plans for an electric propulsion system for a 34' boat myself. The reason I engineered the plan myself using individual COTS components instead of relying on ready off the shelf systems is because I do not trust businessmen. The only way I could keep the TOTAL system needed there to the weight of the Atomic 4 and it's support gear, ie: staring battery, fuel tank (minus fuel as the plan called for a like amount in jerry cans for the portable generator), exhaust system etc. was to flip the house bank to lifepo 4 storage as well. That on top of the thermal degradation issues, PARALLEL charging gear to the CELL level, generator backup to get me further than 20 nm @ 5 kts, AND a LOT of communications with people who had actually flipped their blue water boats over to these systems complete with actual performance figures caused me to abandon the issue,,,,,,for now.
Know too that the newest charge depth parameters out to insure the life cycles of those lifepo 4 batteries is now standing at 30-90%, so there goes most of that large advantage over lead acid batteries and their "usable" power storage.
I've seen many who have put these systems into their boats post opening data and then they just disappear, never to be heard from again. So that should tell us ALL something right there. I have also seen skeezery in the videos put up by a few hawking these systems to cheat the real performance perceptions of those watching.
As it is with your situation, you have a new diesel which ADDS a reasonable amount of value to your vessel by its own right. IF you were to dig below the surface information put out by the manufacturers of these systems and get a BALANCED input of REAL LIFE information on what these systems can really do TODAY you would probably see things as I do with them.
IF you have a day sailer, and you are a few miles in and out of your berth to your sailing area AND you can do with lead acid batteries, these can be great cost efficient systems. However, for blue water cruising, at this point, they are failing. So much so in fact that one catamaran manufacturer whose total product I really wanted to be very successful (SMG) has now folded with their CEO stating the EP technology just was not ready for prime time as it is. In addition, I understand that other cat manufacturers who were aboard with these systems are now pulling back. The battery arrays simply are costing them too much in replacements for early failures AND the charging technologies overall are not up to what they need to be for REGULAR turn-around charge loading of these lifepo 4 batteries to insure their cycle ratings. THIS is on TOP of the thermal degradation issues in sub- tropical and tropical environments as well.
However IF, you are going to move ahead anyway despite the very best advice I or anyone else who has put YEARS into studying these systems in a non-aligned business venue can give you know that I will always wish you the very best here. And in that spirit I will also advise you to look into the Thunderstruck line of propulsion modules for your project. They are very well designed and cost efficient. The belt drive system they use is simple and allows one to more easily alter drive ratios for a well tailored propulsion line AND more easily allow for a greater variety of prop choices than the geared linear drive units out there. Their MOTOR controllers are top shelf, and all the parts used in their kits are affordable and readily available COTS commodities.
BTW, your Prius uses NIMH batteries, not lifepo 4s. There was a reason why Toyota never went with lifepo 4 batteries ya know.
spencer marshall ... OMG did not read!
Lost us at virtue signaling. And yet you kept going anyway.
Why do people assume electric propulsion is green? Why does nobody seem concerned at all about the environmental cost of the production and disposal of Lithium batteries. A tank of fuel only becomes a bomb if it's half full, a lithium battery becomes a bomb anytime it's over charged, over heated or shorted out and you want to use them for huge current draw in a confined space with the possibility of saltwater getting in... You can buy diesel anywhere and if an emergency presented itself you could even resort to running it off cooking oil. Replacement lithium batteries won't be too easy to come across in paradise. As all the Uma followers are aware, having a small outboard saved them a few times when there electronic systems gave up.
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PEOPLES! They will be back! It's a Fact, we viewers/subbs are the Main $ource of their
$ailing revenue. Viewers = $ubbs = Patrons = Revenue = $ailboats & $ailing. Cut out any one piece of the equation & it all falls apart!! Unless of course they have decided to foot the cost of their sailing themselves. I DON'T SEE THAT EVER HAPPENING!! They will be back!!! To much easy & instant success on their channel. Apparently has lead to them to believe, their viewers/subbs, should not have the ability to ask question they don't like & or disagree with!? This channel has been a "MONEY MAKER" from the get go! It would take one HUGE EGO to allow this $$$ tree to be cut down!? Not going to happen. They will be back. Never Forget. It is the viewers that make any & every channel successful!
Sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about. If money was our motive, we'd be cranking out episodes once a week. No episodes = no money. We've been focusing on our other sources of income that make us happier. It's a shame we share our most intimate financial details and show you everything that no other channel does, yet we still deal with people like you.
@@AbandonComfort i think you guys would walk away from youtube in a heart beat if you felt like it. You give way more than you get. From a buisness point of view you have proven that greed is not there. Choosing to follow youre morals will always be the best choice.
Some people just love a fail. But from what i have seen there is no fail its been a win.
Is this the end of this channel ?
Did you two get divorced?
A year and a half of boat remodeling and 2 weeks of sailing. Maybe she's not buying the dream anymore.
I think he's all about the minimalist life and she's just along for the ride.
eh. I just don't know anymore.
Sorry guys but this is really really not the way to do it. The easiest way to remove it is with a yellow scraper. Antifouling is very toxic. So next time please if you use a scraper or sanding machine please attach a professional vacuum cleaner. If you do you won’t need a mask and all your toxic dust won’t get into the environment.
How hypocritical that you talk about how wonderful the full face respirators are so "you don't have to breathe it (bottom paint) in" yet you dump all that bottom paint right into the ground. A simple vacuum attached to your sander like every marina in the US requires you do to and at least covering the bottom with a tarp could have minimized the poisoning of the Earth. What a shame you don't lead by a better example. You have lost me as a dedicated viewer.
I'll look forward to your outboard vs inboard electric propulsion decision process. I would think an inboard would make the most sense for reliability, weight distribution and center-line thrust maximization but I'm no naval architect. I'm just a rocket scientist. So I'll be learning along with you guys!
Pros & cons for everything boat related! No stuffing box, cutlass bearing and fixed prop to slow us under sail with an outboard.
All things I wouldn't have considered. Thanks for helping educate me through your videos and experiences. Maybe I SHOULD have been a naval architect!
I have an outboard on my 27 foot Albin Vega for cruising, and I really wish that there was an inboard, as when you have choppy waves it "breathes air" to the point that I cannot use it at some angles. It might be different for your boat, as it is heavier and beamier, but I will say that having a motor to get you into a harbour even when its windy is very valuable. I am thinking of an electric inboard too, but I am not sure as I want to be able to use it in the arctic where motoring can be very important.
You already have the prop, shaft, and Cutlass why not use them. You'll just make more work for yourself taking them out. An outboard on a boat this small in even small waves will constantly be coming out of the water causing it to cavitate and over rev. Even and electric one will do this. You will loose boat speed and in the end use far more energy this way constantly working to get the boat back up to your desired speed only to have the prop come out of the water again and the boat slow. With an outboard you're also adding a 90degree gearing so you will loose more efficiency there as well. With the motor low and inside the hull and a straight prop shaft it will be much more efficient. Also you can get a prop that will best match what you need for the speed and torque you will have. On an outboard you are very restricted to the size and shape of the prop you can use. Listen to the guy with the boat 5ft bigger than yours you want it inboard. Also the motor and electronics will be much better protected inside the boat than in an out oars hanging off the stern with waves breaking over it. Also that's the exact place you don't want extra weight is in the bow and stern, it will only worsen the boats motion in the waves( Hobby Horsing). It's already not going to be super great. With the space constraints for battery and the already well documented energy needs for the run times you want, you don't want to start throwing the extra inefficiencies of an outboard in there.
The only outbaord systems I would be interested for blue water in are those small enough to pull and stow inboard after getting out of port. The others work fine until you get pooped on by a breaking wave. Then things might not go so well with em. I knew a guy who did that with a 3HP outboard on a 24' boat. It worked out very well actually for him. Nothing you are going to drive through the doldrums on but enough for most everything short short of getting into Oregon Inlet in a blow.
This boat is way to big, way to much comfort. You should sell it, and get a much, much smaller one... you know, an uncomfortable boat...
I had an outboard on a 25' Catalina sailboat. Do not go with an outboard, if you get into rough water with a short wave set, the outboard will be out of the water as much as it is in the water. Definitely a sub optimal result when you need a motor the most.
Why remove bottom paint?
Looked pristine and boat hasn’t been in water.
Great project, look forward to seeing your improvements.
We needed to get the boat down to gelcoat to remove sea cocks & thru hulls then seal up the ones for the head & engine. Also, bottom paint is over 15 years old and we're doing coppercoat. The real stuff. Not DIY coppercoat.
Why?
Because they don't need a raw water inlet for a diesel engine they won't have, and they don't need a discharge for a marine toilet they won't have. Electric propulsion and composting head don't need these thru-hulls. And for Dan above, certain types of anti-foul paints loose their biocide ability when exposed to open air. When you paint an ablative bottom paint you need to get in the water within a day of being dry. That paint was on the hard for 10 years, it was worthless.
That doesn't answer why they needed to strip the bottom to remove some thruhulls. The paint being worthless was not the answer, since they didn't say that in the first place.
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I've been watching Sailing Uma and their experience with electric motor. It has not been easy. The lead acid batteries did not function well with the large AH draw and delivered only 10 minutes run time with a fairly large bank. And they had problems charging them properly. Now they have very expensive Lithium Ion batteries and have much longer run times but their electric forklift battery motor is getting very hot since it was not designed to run constantly for long periods. They could not afford an electric motor designed to power a sailboat.
I know you are looking to be green but you do not need much power to move this sailboat thru the water. Please review your diesel vs electric options. A brand new 17 hp Yanmar industrial diesel runs just $2900 on Ebay and sips about .4 gals an hour. Converting it to marine use requires your current transmission, a water to water heat exchanger and a raw water pump (I'd suggest a variable speed 12v magnetic drive water pump) . At 6 knots, 20 gals of diesel would last 50 hrs and take you 300 nautical miles. If you get an electric motor for your dinghy you can always use that as a backup.
Douglas Robbie: Whilst what you say may be accurate, I think that you are putting a negative slant on their experiences; they do not seem fazed at all by what they have done and are happy to buy the cheaper Lithium Ion batts (cheaper cos economies of scale). As for the motor, it cost them $100 over 3 years and they are ready to replace it now.
Umm, James, 'cheaper', yes, because they were donated... And yes, not 'fazed', since they admittedly only docked 4 times in that 3 years...
Lot's of boat channels that are always sailing. I'm good with this one being a This Old Boat fix up channel.
Douglas Robbie Right idea but 8 mpg is probably a little optimistic so 20 gallons might go 160 miles. The notion of a cruiser having an electric fuel tank is 100% ignorant. Day sailors to navigate the same daily channel in/out of the marina might be a good idea.
adamff280: Who said that they were donated to Uma? They are cheaper because they last longer and produce more power and in addition the are lighter, like I said economies of scale. They wanted to live on the hook its their way of life.
Being a long time viewer of Mads on the Sail Life channel I had to laugh at your "You guys don't want to see three episodes of us sanding, no-one wants to see that!" comment. Lost count of how many episodes of "Glorious glorious sanding" I've watched over there! Moving onto my own 27 foot boat in a couple of weeks and seeing you guys downsize recently has helped me take the plunge to living on a small boat. Thanks for the inspiration and keep up the great work!
Nothing better than watching Mads sand...
Mads is the MAN! I really enjoy watching him. Between him and Andy at Boat Works Today...oh yea!
Mads needs to rename to Sanding Life
Well. These guys disappeared. So sad.
They're still active on twitter talking about sailing from land.
IMHO: Electricengine as a single boat propulsion is not safe. You will find yourself in a situation that can 'change' your life. There is nothing as unpredictable as the weather. Eventually you will either run aground, end up in heavy wind, seastate, current or a combination. Diesel engines are unbeatable. I myself run a 1964 2 cylinder that can be started by hand, as in without a battery if necessary , to provide propulsion and electricity. I know the engine insideout because it is simple, not because of hard study. It also is easy to repair. Choose wisely! A combination could be an ecologically/safety wise a compromise if you had the space... Excited to see what you end up with.
diesal engines break down all the time. look at Delos or Capt. Mikes recent videos.
Delos has pretty much circumnavigated the world and even wore out the generator and they motor for days on end . Try that with batteries . I also see them having issues with all the electrics , from the windless to the furling to the heads , to fans - electric is not problem free.
My single cylinder Bukh can easily be started by hand , run without electricity , charge the batteries and has a range measured in days . Because I don't wait for things like impellers to break I have never had a problem that stopped the motor . Did have the electric shut of go bad though .
Don't do like these folks folks and sandblast pores in your beautiful boat's gelcoat.
after having owned several sailboats ..nothing is better than a small Yanmar diesel for strength , reliability and economy . Get into a squall and you'll be glad you have the power to hold your own ..it can be the difference between losing the boat and getting thru the tough spots .
Out of your minds to get rid of a new and tiny Westerbe engine to try unproven and risky 'new' systems. You are going to regret the decision to ditch diese1
Electric Engine or not engine.. try to don’t ruin this fantastic pieces of art.
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Abandon Comfort...............have you abandoned your viewers??? It is a month today since you last posted! signed: missing you
From childhood, I was raised as a dingy sailor by a father who served in the Royal Navy from 1934 until 1946. From him, I learned seamanship, not ‘boating’ or ‘yachting’. Drilled into me, as it was drilled into him by sailors who had started their careers on sailing ships: “NEVER do anything, nor enter or create a situation or circumstance which with reasonable foresight can be seen to imperil life that you can otherwise avoid or without certainty that you can prevail.” Heed the comments about the foolishness of relying on an electric motor-you are a member of the US Coast Guard; the life/lives you imperil may not just be your own. I gave it a good deal of thought before I commented. I was finally compelled when I witnessed the extraordinary effort you went to in removing the undercounting without first testing it’s soundness, without realizing that anti-fouling paint is toxic and a pollutant-particularly when combined with high-pressure water removal and no abatements for ground absorption. In short, it demonstrated a lack of necessary thought; now consider relying on electric power.
I LOVE your videos. I admire what you are doing and the partnership by which you are doing it. You have the beauty, strength and promise of two young people. Respect and value the advise that is offered to you. You might disregard the critics, but don’t dismiss the wisdom of experience and expertise of the many comments. If you do go to sea with electric propulsion, have done all that you must to know that it cannot fail you.
Wow! Listen to this lady. She is wise.
+1 on the environmental concerns associated with anti-fouling paints. The active ingredient in most AF paints are copper-based. They work because copper compounds are toxic to aquatic life. While its true that AF paints are formulated to erode over time, that erosion is slow and the environmental input is spread out over time and distance. Your paint removal strategy has created a focused impact at that location that is uncontrolled. The paint residue in the soil will be dissolved by precipitation and eventually end up in both groundwater and surface water runoff.
I applaud your desire to be conscientious about the environmental footprint you create, but this is an example of how challenging that can be. As a fellow lover of small sturdy boats, I wish you the best and look forward to your coming adventures.
Ann Teve I don’t think a mechanical failure of the electric drive is the worry but the runtime of the battery pack and the way to recharge. Which begs the question what is the minimum appropriate run time or range a responsible crew would have for non wind powered propulsion when going offshore.?
Warren
So Who is this Auntie Fouling person you keep referring?...
you slay me hahahahahah
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Why did you decide to remove the anti fouling? Irrespective of the coatings age and that it has been out of the water 10 years, based on what I can see in the video only, I would have not removed it because I see no pealing nor delimitation nor damaged hull. I would have sanded and simply touched up with primer where necessary followed by 1 coat of anti fouling. Senior Surveyor Lloyds Register.
Full coating removal is required when the coating has 'failed'. Failure of coating is identified by delimitation and pealing. If this is not occurring it means the bonding between layers is strong. My opinion is if the coating has not delaminated nor pealed after 10 years, there is EXCELLENT coating bonding and so keep it on but do a hard sand to prepare the surface for the new coat. Senior Surveyor Lloyd's Register!
I have got to say, I don’t think rowing would work well on this boat. Maybe a lightweight fiberglass boat, but not a old wooden boat. Just to much mass.
All that being said, I have very limit sailing experience. Just another keyboard warrior. Prove me wrong.
The boat is fiberglass but definitely not light weight. You can do the rowing or sculling if you're not working against tide or wind but I'm never that lucky. I have hip tied my dinghy to a friends 37ft boat and moved it at 5knts with a 8hp outboard when it was calm and his diesel wouldn't run.
Andrew Pickard haha honestly, I’m pretty embarrassed. I had just wrote that comment after having watched the whole video, and had already forgot it was a fiberglass boat. Something about it’s look gives the impression it’s fully wood.
5knts is crazy fast for rowing a 37ft boat. You must be huge.
Love the time lapse...if only a bottom job went as quickly! Been there, done that. Twice.
Very excited to watch this project develop. Been looking at Pearson Triton's after reading the adventures of Atom.
Really enjoying your attitudes and projects. Thanks for the content.
OARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You got to be joking, that's not a Dingie! (Rowing that size boat would take one hour to get it moved 1 foot)
(EDITED AFTER 10 REPLIES: After reading the replies I have to ask:
1. "What is the DISPLACEMENT of this boat?"
2. "What size/HP engine NORMALLY powers this size boat?"
3. "Judging by the Physical appearance of the 'Crew' can they match the engine output and for how long even in a Doldrum?"
4. "The comments about the Colin Archer boats is NO match, rowed for short distances OUT & IN a PROTECTED Harbour for maybe 100 / 200 meters ..... (See also build of the crew) Again, DOLDRUMS comes to mind which is Hundreds of Miles"
No actually, you can row one of those quite easily. Not in a storm perhaps, but if becalmed or docking in calm weather, perfectly viable
The original Colin Archer (45.feet, Norwegian rescue vessel) was rowed in and out of harbours. No problem at all for the crew.
I would just carry another Jib.
Given the power required to move that boat, a single man who is an elite athlete would be hard pressed to get to 1.5 knots and couldn't maintain that output for long. On the other hand it would be a great workout.
Guy yulohs a typhoon in & out of our harbor all the time. Works great.
Excited to see your progress! Can't wait to see what she looks like when she's fully outfitted.
It'll take some time but we're stoked to have a virtually 100% ready to go boat set up exactly how we want before we head back out :)
Stakanovic friends meeting!
I think I could work on boats all day too if i has a supermodel for a partner lol I dont get why you stripped off the antifoul though it was in good condition I whould have just given it a light sand and slapped on the new paint,I only have an outboard on my 29ft boat and a 6 person dining table where the diesel would have been did you watch the tour of my boat Im sure i linked it,you guys should ass bilge keels
Love his shirt......
On your repowering you need to look at Big Easy Sailing on you tube episode 30 and you may rethink about going electric. They had the same idea as you and found it to be not as reliable as thought do to currents and wind. Also you mentioned about that you sail more than motor , that being the case then you should not require all the extra fuel and weight that you mentioned in this video. With limited area for solar panels excetra for replenishing batteries, which you will need for house power and dailing living. You already have a sail boat that was designed for its specific use and now you are try to do some thing totally different which could case the boat to be a chore too sail or use. Just something to think about
I can't stand any more! You don't sand/grit blast grp gelcoat! GRP gelcoat or better still epoxy coating is what keeps the water out. Who told you your antifouling needed to be removed anyway? I don't care how old the paint was it looked in perfect condition, a simple keying and a new coat shortly before launch was all that was needed. Like others I've had enough of listening to 'rich kids' still wet behind the ears professing to be experts. Do more research before tackling any jobs!
Having now binged watched the series so far I wish you well. My wife and I live on a 37' Irwin CC with our dog and we'll never probably get out of the pacific northwest, the real one, not just Puget Sound, but I love where you're headed with this and I look forward to your progress.
Thanks Kevin :)
So many old time 'sail only' craft lost on the rocks and reefs because the wind blew the wrong way. Electric engines are 'green' but you won't get more than an hour or two of propulsion out of the best batteries. Having a small Diesel as a 'life saving' and 'boat saving' back-up is just good sense. It's not about 'weight saving' vs. 'no fossil fuel', it's about staying safe on the water. Come on guys, you use an auto to travel, a truck to tow and power plant electricity to work on the hull. Having a potentially life saving engine is not abandoning your desire to be 'Green', it's facing the reality of travel on the ocean. Even a decent sized outboard would be an option. I had one on every sailing vessel I've owned...
Rowing a sailboat sucks, they are too heavy. Have you thought of peddle drive? Check out the boats which race to Alaska from Port Townsend WA. The R2AK. Just another option to consider. Maybe you guys would like the challenge of the R2AK race.
Do a bit of Google searching to see how clean lithium refining actually is (also worth noting that one of the major motivators for the US invasion of Afghanistan was for its rich lithium deposits). You could keep that diesel and during your entire cruising life would likely never pollute as much as you have the day you buy those batteries.
Young people these days are totally clueless. To ruin a nice older boat with an electric engine that will prove useless expensive and costly and at the end of the day most likely hurt the environment worse than a diesel engine is incredible to watch. These two are not unique their entire generation is this way. This generation doesn't see the big picture at all. The vastness of the planet mixed with economics makes their efforts fail to qualify as futile. Take Tesla's for example. These people think a car that ultimately twice as expensive, 4X as expensive to repair half as reliable, batteries built with toxic chemicals worse than petroleum, a car that runs ultimately off coal since that's what predominantly makes electricity, will"save"the environment especially since carbon emissions from small cars are at best responsible for 10% of all carbon emissions. It's painful to watch. Youth is truly wasted on the young.
with six strong college guys pulling oars on a surfboat, we could barely keep it moving, your boat is much larger, heavier, and with more windage, try doing this first on a surfboat, it will save you from some blisters.
Being environmentally conscientious is the right thing to do but not at the expense of safety. I worry about the idea of trying to power a heavy slow moving boat like your with an electric motor. If all you do is coastal and inland waters cruising, it should be fine. But, you have to ask yourself, if you're half way to the Bahamas and your mast breaks, will your electric motor and battery energy storage get you out the Gulf Stream before you end up in England. Your reliable diesel engine with a full load of fuel almost certainly would.
A series of sailing videos made by a couple who have no sailing experience, barely actually go sailing in any episode, purport to know everything about sailing and seamanship and boat maintenance, speaking with an air of authority about everything, having only ever just googled it. And people are wondering where they have gone now? Try looking for their boat on the bottom of the ocean.
So where are you guys?
when you come to Croatia, you will need engine :) in 7 days sailing I used 100L of diesel in august 2018 :)
Btw nice boat, but I liked more your old HR :) ,
Cheers
This may be too late, but as one piece of advice, if you attach a shop vac to your orbital sander you will get about 5x more life out of each sanding disk and there's A LOT less dust to breath in. Pretty much every orbital sander I've come across has an attachment for attaching a shop vac tube. Or if not, its worth buying one. Glad to see you're protecting your lungs with a respirator.
Also, your hair is looking great in that opening shot. Well done.
Instead of oars, why not a tandem bicycle power to drive the propeller. Leg muscles are stronger than arm and back muscles and have greater stamina.
Hey guys FYI don't use wd-40 instead use a spray call PB Blaster works fantastic great job
in my experience PB is 90% as good as Liquid Wrench. I also work on the worst of the worst and need all the help I can get thus liquid wrench...... (80+ year old equipment)
Love this debate! After 20 years working in power plants I’ve used all 3 and I’ll take Kroil over all of em. Heard an old salt call it Millwright cologne. Gotta admit the smell is unique.
But you probably won’t go sail anyways so
Great project
What I don't understand is why you striped off the old bottom paint. At least it looked to be in good shape...
Ideology over practicality. It's the same on land so don't think it's such a new deal.
Diesel is the way to go! Electric, you won't be doing any blue water sailing! Unless you're the Black Pearl the oars won't help much.
When are you going to post new videos? I'm unsubscribing, its been too long like you "Abandond RUclips" and your audience!
Good luck coming up with an electrical system that can provide 5 kts for 3 or 4 hrs.
I'd rather have a boat that needs interior work then exterior work because then you can put it in the water and do the work but on exterior work it has to be out the water which put extra cost on the owner however interior work may cost a slightly more but I know I can sell with my journey beginning a new adventure and chapped in my lifetime
Was there Interprotec Epoxy barrier coats under the anti fouling paint? do you plan to put any ? I agree with Douglas, if you really want to save the planet, you could choose to run a diesel engine only when absolutely necessary but you would have the safety a long energy reserve a diesel brings to the equation.
Go to sailing Uma youtube as they have been electric motored for sometime. And doing new trials now .
I have had bots with an outboard and with an inboard, stick with the inboard engine it gives much more reliable propulsion. A small diesel will have a much smaller carbon footprint that an electric motor and all the batteries, solar chargers and wind generators required to run an electric motor. My 25 ft Cheoy Lee had a 10 hp diesel that would push it at 5 knots only using 1/4 gal per hour.
Rowing is a nice idea until a squall is trying to pin you to a lee shore, safety is a first consideration.
Electric? Bad idea.
Quit with the nonsense of electric motor and rowing manner. Stay with the original Diesel motor witch is tried and true
Whilst I'm fully in agreement regarding the DESIRABILITY of moving to electric propulsion on a boat, you have to have the right boat to do it. You're on a 22-23ft yacht. There is barely enough available deck space to produce enough solar power to keep your domestic and nav use going. You aren't going to get the required amount of electricity generated to power the vessel as well for any appreciable time reliably (talking a bout being safely across a shipping lane at night, incl nav lights etc). I've tried it, and I'm on a 32 footer with a stern gantry. In 10 -15 years time the density of generating panels will be up to it, not now. Sailing Uma are scratching for the nth degree of power & storage, and they haven't encountered shipping yet. I've been in shipping lanes with giants bearing down. You can call them on Ch 16 to see if any of their gear is picking you up or if you're detectable in any way. If there's someone on the bridge they usually reply they can't see you, but there's usually no-one on the bridge.
I kept the diesel for the chance of getting someone to hospital as fast as possible if I need to as well. When the technology is there, I'll be on it. Nigel Calder is a pretty bright chap, but with EU funding and one of the words best yards carrying out the work he couldn't do it on a purpose built 50 footer. You're pretty bright too, but believe me, in terms of knowledge of the subject, you have a way to go yet.
Looking forward to the progress on the EP. From some of the comments below I am reminded why I don't talk about my boats electric auxiliary online. I'm guessing not one of the negative commenters here have owned a SAILboat with an electric inboard. Please don't get discouraged.
Why not use dynema for the life lines, if you’re concerned about weight?
Okay, you two are, and have put out "real" videos. As an old salt, I enjoy your enthusiasm and gumption! Having crossed the deep blue, my concern is the size of your vessel. Help me understand. I can dig small spaces, but Neptune is a hearty master! Can you go over your thought process on trans Pacfic/Atlantic crossings.
Blue water sailing? Not these two greenie idiots. I want to know what are they going to grow with their compost.
Ummm... that bottom didn’t look bad at all to start with....
Ryan, You are a very fortunate man to have someone love you as much as Kelsey does! You can see this by the way she looks at you, and the way you look at her too! I see this because I have been married to my amazing bride for 31 years now, and it just keeps getting better and better! Sanding is never a "fun" project, but the end result will be worth it for you. You will know that the fittings are correctly sorted, and the new paint should last for some time. I do not have an opinion on the electric vs. diesel, as I have no experience in sailing under those conditions... But I am looking forward to tagging along on your journey with you.
where are you two? please come back i have no life and need my fix!!!!!!!!! waiting patiently in ohio
I'm trying to hold on to the concept here. Best of luck, and I realize you two are already way ahead of the videos when you put them out.
I felt like when you got the smaller boat that you were moving closer to the "average" sailor and what their experience would be (pulling boat out on trailer, moving it around, dodging seasons, etc) but I'm just getting the feeling that it may be moving further from any discernible target audience. Hopefully we can learn a little bit in the coming weeks. Basically this episode was a sandblaster is good, but sanding also works (slower) and get a full faced respirator. Not much about how you guys are faring off the water, maybe some timeline goals of what we can expect regarding you getting back in, etc. Small stuff like "the random orbital worked better/worse than the belt sander"...."this is how we discarded our old paint that we stripped off the hull"....etc.
You two are fun to watch, but I hope we get back to "abandoning comfort" sometime soon. Living at home and working on a boat on private property with no slip/dry dock fees seems very very comfortable, and would not lead one to believe that there is any sense of urgency.
Best wishes! I'll stay tuned.
I wish you guys were making videos of your travels around the usa. I like them even more than the boat stuff.
Don't listen to the negative 10%. The other 90% love ya!
Sanding is a dreadful job because it's irritating and continuous for hours on end.
Watch Sailing Uma to learn from their electric motor mistakes. Their most recent videos detail them fixing those early mistakes and should be the most useful to you.
...having that back up electric engine will come in handy when you get to them steep hills in the ocean
So I can’t keep thinking about how frustrated you might become in low wind conditions losing at least 12ft of waterline. That is a beautiful, stout little ship you bought, but you will need stronger winds to push it and you will go slower. Have you thought about investing in some Code Zeros for your little cutter? You will definitely want some low wind sails.
We have a pretty cool light air setup from the original owner where he'd fly a spinnaker staysail, genoa plus a small storm jib where a mizzen would be on a ketch. Over 1000sqft of sail area and it really moves the gal according to him. We're stoked to try it out!
I don’t like electric. Seems like a huge hassle and expense. The huge environmental impact of mining lithium negates any environmental benefit of switching to electric. I do like outboard engines they seem a lot less maintenance. Have a good long talk with UMA before you switch to electric. Don’t think they’d admit it but seems to me electric was a mistake UMA overcomes this with awesome positivity and huge change of lifestyle.
I see a lot of people telling you everything you’re doing wrong, and I don’t agree with all your choices either. I do however respect the hell out of you two for making the tough choices that are counter culture, for finding ways to simplify even more, and for standing your ground regardless of what is being blasted at you in the comments section. I hope from the bottom of my heart that these choices work well for you, and look forward to watching many more adventures from this channel. Keep it up! Semper Paratus.
here here :-)
semper paratus
always prepared: motto of the U.S. Coast Guard www.yourdictionary.com/semper-paratus
Semple Paratus! We’re by no means the first to do any of this. Just the first to do some of the somewhat more bizarre things in this lovely RUclips sailing world. Omick.net , artofhookie.org & atomvoyages.com are people who have done what we’re looking to do and are the true pioneers. Thanks for the support and we’re excited to share more with you 🙂
amen
Keep up the dream. You guys are fun to watch. Living on your own terms. I've been self employed part time for 35 years. An adventurer first. My wife and I have raised 5 brave sons. Mostly in spaces under 600 sqft. Boats, Treehouses, homemade tents, underground, in a dome, campers, cabins, converted garages, islands... i just asked my wife "what's the most unusually place where ever lived? " she just laughed at me... ;-) we are no leaving our little cabin in the woods this December and sailing to Great Exuma for 6 months? Who knows?
The day before we married, May 17, 1986, I told her "i couldn't promise her happiness, but I promise it will be an adventure." 32 years, 27 states, 4 countries, 5 kids, hundreds of animals (horses to parrots) 43 residences, , , man the list goes on, later the adventure continues.
Anyway, you guys are awesome possibilitist. What we know is so small compared to everything we don't even know we don't know, the possibilities! We love watching your discoveries. Much like those that our grown children and for wives find. Don't let others simple opinions discourage you. Keep dreaming together. We'll see you out there some day I'm sure.
Hey. Guys. Have you succumbed to bottom paint dust?
Sure, a boat like this can be moved by ores in a calm condition without wind. Why not instead use your legs? Your arms may produce about 80 Watts over a short period of time. A trained cyclist can produce easily 160 Watts over a much longer period. why not set up a kind of "bicycle-generator" to your batteries or a "bicycle transmission" directly to a big , slow turning Prop. to move the boat. Not joking, during my last Holidays in Croatia I've seen a Sailor moving his 8m boat inside the harbour that way.
We've given thought to that as well. If you have any further info on it send it our way! We'd love to hear more.
For Example, a 26" bicycle wheel at 25km/h spinn's at about 200 rpm . A victron 60-24-70-SR-IG Alternator produces ca. 6.5Amps/24V at 1500rpm . Using a 7.5/1 Gear-Ratio from a backwheel of a mountain bike you would be able to pump 160Wh into your batteries. here's a link to the Victron datasheet www.victronenergy.de/upload/documents/Datasheet-Alternator-DE.pdf.Another Option could be a Cruise Pod 2.0 or 4.0 from Torquedo, directly driven on a transmisson from a "boat-bike" or a direct transmisson to your prop-shaft.
Will be interesting to see how this all works out. A lot of strong opinions on what direction to go and can't say I agree with all there choices. I think they needed a break from filming and youtube so that is why no videos. They may have explained the break directly to patrons. I know they have been posting on Instagram about there national park trips they have been on and said they didn't plan to film it. They will be back and I wish them all the best.
Yep! Needed a break from the craziness that is youtube armchairs. We've been focusing on our other sources of income in the meantime and have been traveling without the camera gear. It's been a nice break but we'll be back again soon. People like you remind us of why we're documenting our journey :) Thanks for the support, Kinu.
You're lucky, I'll get sandpaper as it might take a bit longer but I know there's no electricity be used
Mix one part acetone and one part transmission fluid in a cheap plastic spray bottle to lubricate any metallic parts that are supposed to move next time. Works very well!
Why not just run biodiesel? The original diesel ran on peanut oil and you can easily run one on vegetable oil if you thin it.
To all the negative comments, you people are pathetic, I have sailed my whole life and seen all manner and size of craft cross oceans some with auxiliary power some without. If you simple minded people can’t escape your preconceptions go wallow in your own boring world and keep your negativity away from the comments. Without creative free thinking and adventurous folk like this young couple humanity would never improve... AC stay true to yourselves ...👍🏻😃
It's truly horrifying how scared people are of failure or change. We're carrying on with our dreams, just taking a break from sharing on RUclips. We'll be back soon to share it with people like yourself :)
Massively wonderful job! If it is electric, it is called a motor! Engines run on fuel! Motors run on electric! Just so you know that when in need of repair! At 3 knots with 8 lithium batteries you may get an hour and a half/forty minutes! Or less, see a video put up last week by Sailing Uma, they built their electric drive system and have used both types of batteries (Lithium is lighten) half the weight in fact! Also their vessel is lighter than yours! I know you what to GO GREEN, but, you do need as much info as you can get, so as not to over estimate the power and times for electric/battery/solar kit!
Hopefully your Patreons can dig DEEEEEEP and cough up $15K so you can buy a bank of lithium batteries. Man, you wouldn't want to actually have to work for something and use your own money.....that wouldn't be very minimalistic of you!
prov431 you seem to have not watched this channel much if you feel these two haven’t done work or used their own money.
Don’t call it a electric engine... call it a coal engine like it really is!
The sweep or rowing oars are a great idea. Lynn and Larry Pardee have sailed 2 Lady Hess cutters around the world multiple times with no engine. There is a guy sailing a Gillmer 31 on you tube without any engine, I think his channel is sailing ocean's.. Fair winds and following seas.
I know it's a stereotype to assume that usually these sorts of projects are the pet project of the man rather than the woman. However, I wanted to say how lovely it is that Kelsey is equally ss excited and vested in this project as Ryan. It really shows and her excitement is contagious. Huzzah!
Well, it's about time. I've been wondering what you guys were up to. Is this the unsolicited advice/criticism section? Great, here goes... That's quite a woman you've got there, congratulations. I didn't see her check her nails once and she clearly works with you. You can't put a value on that kind of commitment from your partner. Not sure why youre so concerned about weight, its a heavy little boat anyway, maybe its because you going electric, solar panels weigh nothing. Youre engine ideas and commitment to your plan have really made me think. Oars are a really great, traditional idea. I had a 25 foot folk boat for years that never had an engine of any kind. I had one oar and I used to scull around if needed (not very often). It makes you a good sailor as long as you don't bite off more than you can chew. More power to you. Ditch the mechanical/electrical propulsion all together? Use the money for beer and condoms instead
As some others have suggested, contact Sailing Uma, I feel sure that they would be happy to share their experiences with regard to electrical propulsion. They now have quite a large array of Lithium batteries and, having done the maths, are currently testing to find out if the numbers stack up.
Please look at the faces at the end of the last episode of sailing Uma after first leg in electrical modality! What a current drain! Anyway go on we all are very curious ( 4 stroke outboard spare motor like backup is the solution for extra security)
Electric is good because it makes money from the controversy. More clicks and comments= more $.
Carbon sweeps cool but Your worried about weight on this boat? Really...ok ....but heavy stainless lifelines , come on......tell me another one......Warren
Wall thickness, Warren.
Abandon Comfort ......OK your right, stainless had rails could be minimal weight.......the calculations.....thinnest 3/4 tube with1/32 wall is. 0.2707/ft and you will need about 60' INC 18" stanchions =16# plus fittings or welding if you can find somebody to weld it . But Normally 7/8"od x.049wall at .4379/ft is minimum used so at 60'=26#. A dozen fitting will probably add 5# so about 31# for handrails if Strong enough... but why go to all that hassle? Use spectra/dyneema life lines or don't us any you really don't need them on a 22' yacht! Weight is your friend with this boat not your enemy. Thanks for sharing , cheers Warren.