It's an absolute "unit"😆 The computer is not bad I personally just have a desktop and use Parsec to stream to my phone and then I can use samsung dex to display on a monitor or TV connect mouse, keyboard, and for most games wire up an Xbox controller due to latency with racing and shooting games ex:forza horizon 4 although Bluetooth is fine for slower games like Microsoft flight simulator 2020 works great and is a more compact portable setup than hauling around a pc, some laptops and even the nintendo switch if you include dock and the grip and extra joycons
It's nice but for me personally the appeal in small PCs lies in desktop-class processors and upgradable components. This is too much of a compromise, even if it is smaller than a "proper PC" could currently be.
Agree 100%. Picked up two a few months ago for my kids to do their remote learning. Then went back and got a third for my new Debian box. Highly recommend.
At work, we deploy these exclusively for our phone reps. Personally, I see no problem with these as they are the same as they are laptops without a screen or battery or inbuilt keyboard/trackpad. For just surfing the web, low end vms and remoting into customer systems, these are perfect. And... they are not expensive if purchased on "volume discount"... I can use my T480's Lenovo TB/USB-C universal dock when deploying these for a 1 cable solution. For me as a personal use-case, I will advocate for a like-cost custom AMD tower every time.
@@coffeelover5631 Thanks. So it's like Japan? Here in Spain VAT is 21% and it's included. So the US price is 480-500 dollars, which is still significantly cheaper than Spain. Here we also pay for recycling, so it could explain why it's pricier in Europe.
As an off-grid full time RVer, I'm always interested in these low power consumption units. Thanks for the power consumption stats. What is the voltage output of the power supply? Also, have you installed linux on it yet?
After your last video I bought the 8265U version of this for about the same price, so you got a better deal. I am going to test with an eGPU today via the second X2 slot. The cover almost fits back on with the ribbon cable pushing through. I may be able to cut it for perfect fit. Hope it works!
My AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB is working perfectly externally with a $35 adapter and PC power supply. This is awesome! Hoping to get it set up as a basic gaming PC for my daughter. Next to install Steam.
I have one as my main PC. I use it mostly for internet and media consumption. I have a usb sound card connected to a sound bar and Displayport to a 50" TV. I have two Sabrent 1TB NVME SSDs internally and a usb attached DVD for movies The pc is silent and practically invisible. I'm not much of a gamer but I do run DOSBox for Duke Nukem, Doom, and Wolfenstein, awesome on a big screen with good audio. My tv consumption is all digital from the internet and works very well. All in all I can't fault it. I intend to buy another as an office PC and a third for emulation.
Can you make a comparison with the Ryzen 4850 you have build recently? I would love to see which of them is more powerful. Thank you again for a great video
I bought one this summer, it really is an amazing little computer. I was able to get a new one for about $400 with an i5. Just need to keep an eye open for deals.
Tiger Lake Xe chips are faster than Vega atm. Doesn't help this device running old 8th gen processors though... Being so far behind limits the use of this device significantly.
@@compthing5656 I think it would have been fine if they had just put Tiger Lake in it. 96EU Xe Graphics is the fastest x86 iGPU out until Ryzen 5000 chips with iGPU come out. Would've been able to run with that and TB4 ports making for a very competent machine.
@@PrintAimGame they were behind big time around the hd4000, hd520 etc. Vega beat that easily as well as the hd640 even. However only in their most recent tiger lake igpu beats vega, it only does so if there's at least 25W available for the CPU, otherwise the CPU eats up the entire power envelope, even in single core workloads
ETA Prime.... they can't all be amazing! please, do some comparisons between what's available. How well they emulate vs costs and give us some comparative value assessment. Also, always try 3ds (Citra) please :D
Just read your po box address and you must live right near me dude, I live in Durham. Been watching you forever and never knew! Maybe one day soon I will make another wood/acrylic pc case and give you one to play with!
The Nano pc would make a nice streaming device to install plex, Hd homerun for local channels, Kodi, IPTV and Emulators to play with along with a USB hub to plug in remote , gamepad/arcade joystick. I love my shield though.
I bought a HP version of this, a prodesk mini 400 G4 for 250 a year ago, has a Core i5 8500T, a octacore cpu, upgraded to a 1tb ssd and 16gb ram for a total of 400 euros.
Getting closer to my preferred 'next gen' desktop format: 3 M.2 slots (separate boot drive and RAID1 for data), upgradable RAM and maybe CPU. Oh yeah, and a model with NO WINDOWS TAX. Grrr. Not sure if he mentioned, but the M.2 slots are PCIe v3 x4 - yay! Amazon listing says 'no optical drive' - heh heh.
I'm a huge fan of SFF computers and this one looks interesting. However, I think a used NUC, gen 7 or later, is a better value because of the included thunderbolt port that allows for egpu use.
@@PMARC14 I assume you're referring to the bottleneck inherent to thunderbolt 3 but at least AAA gaming is an option on my NUC (just not at high settings on some games). I don't see that as an option on the reviewed Lenovo, which is what I was addressing.
Possible upgrade for me. I'm looking for an every day driver that can essentially pay for itself in energy cost savings over my primary PC which spends most of it's time web browsing, email, ect...
Lenovo just kills it with these IoT/SFF devices AND they're affordable. If there's a SFF/USFF box out there with Thunderbolt 3 eGPU support, that would be amazing!
the ASUS PN50 is way more affordable over here in Europe and plenty AMD models of those too :D still waiting on my 4800U model though... it seems to take a while to materialize and I didn't wanna settle with a 4700U
The concern with these mini pcs are that they don't last. The built quality, the high heat in a small space, the limited upgradability as well as serviceability is a high concern for some people.
Man, the new Intel iGpus will totally kill the market! All they have to do is to match or surpass the Vega 11 and pair that juicy memory controller with unlocked ram overclocking!
Does 4 weeks really make that much of a difference? On Lenovo's site right now the i3 is $447 (which they're claiming is super savings from $745 retail).
@@TheVastoLordes US prices still stupidly low compared to rest of the world... USD to DKK is about 6,5... but if I usually just multiply with 10, not 6,5 to get the prices over here from the msrp
620 graphics let it down. If there was a way to connect a GPU to it, it would be a beast. Good for living room media PC. If it's coffee lake it will do Ultra blu ray with correct monitor and drive via USB. Don't know if that will.
Would have been nice to see testing of 2TB SSDs, i assume it supports 1PB but i wouldnt put it past an OEM to block the install of aftermaket SSDs better than what you can order from the assemblers
Great Job. Using these devices for 4K Media consumption requires support for HDR/ Dolby ATMOS/ Dolby Vision / DTS-x. Can you include the support of these technologies in you future reviews. Maybe you can also try other OS like Chrome or Android OS "you already had a video how to". The idea is using IR remote for control & these OS support these technologies Thanks a lot
It seems impressive at first, until you realize that all this i5 is, is a MUCH older i7... say a sandy bridge 2760QM.... at 35w it can and will PM at or over 8500.... this one here at 25w will PM around 6500. They shed 10w and named it something new.... put it in a neat tiny lil case, as can be had now, as things have shrunk since then.... but performance wise, nope... hasn't changed since 2011/12. Literally nothing has... I still run an Ivy-e with my RTX cards, and there has yet to be bottleneck with up to a 2080s, on a 4930K @ 4.5 over all 6/12. . . All cpus of even 8th, 9th, and 10th gen can easily be compared to clear counterparts dating back to as far as sandy bridge. If you're spending top dollar on modern cpu's, to any degree that can be considered "often", you are doing yourself a disservice.
so if I'm understanding what you;re saying, you could get an older, slightly larger PC with similar specs as an i7 from 2012 and still obtain this performance for potentially half the price?
@@TheRealAlpha2 Indeed... and if dabbling in the mobile market of the yester-era, you can likely satisfy your needs for small form factor as well. With ITX builds around the Ivy or Ivy-e cpu you can have PCIE 3.0, M.2, cpu performance that rivals and / or surpasses new, and all for half or well less than half the cost. Some of the stuff is just in other folks junk piles at this point, free to take.
@@TheRealAlpha2 yes, for example, if you buy macbook pro 15-inch with *I7-4770HQ* processor, it still much more powerful than 2018-2019 Macbook Pro 13-inch laptops (because they use shitty *U* processors (ultra low voltage), which does not do good in terms of performance). Same for desktops. On my job we had plenty of 2011-ish Xeon-based servers and performance was good enough for 90% of loads.
This is extremely usecase dependent. For some use cases, these modern CPUs will destroy their older counterparts. They also offer more compute power / watt.
@@KatoKrazy That's not really so... There are certain workloads where a newer cpu can do exponentially better... say in AVX tasks a chip such as a first gen is out, chips with AVX instruction sets are in, and of course chips with advanced AVX pipelines are further ahead. I will give you the fact that power efficiency is often something gained as processes shrink and time moves forward, but this isn't always the case either. Here we have a cpu going by the namesake of "i5" ... it consumes 25w and benchmarks a set work capability of 6500. A 2012 cpu by the namesake "i7" consumes 35w and benchmarks the exact same set workload at 8500. Both are 4c/8t cpu's, the newer one using a substantially smaller process. That said, the efficiency is no better. . . Give it the 10w more that it lacks over the older i7, and it performs identically, at the exact same thermal input/output. The ipc hasn't changed one iota, and this can be observed in nearly all cases of X, MX, Q, QM, and K cpu's, of which would have been under the performance banner for intel for any given generation. Just as I have a 4930K, an IvyE i7, that passmarks 15380, (I can get better but this is a nice middle ground with 20-30c normal loads, and 60ish heavy... at 4.5 over all 6/12)... if you take that and scale it up in core/thread count, it represents linearly with late models just the same. It honestly hasn't changed... only the outward approach, not the tech it's based on.. Or so to say, they cranked clocks for a bit, they played with memory channels and speeds, then they hit the road we are still on... which is ridiculous core/thread counts. And yes, this will absolutely see gains in specific workloads such as multithreaded compute, render workloads, production, etc... it won't make a bit of difference in gaming. And that's where you have to decide what's actually important to you... A: a nicely matched and well balanced machine, based on parts that make sense and don't even have to cost nearly all that much (outside of gpu).. or B: Buying parts that will never see an ounce of gains in your day to day, playing games to the exact same max ability as far cheaper and even older parts, with their only merits being Cinebench scores... I don't care for B: enough to waste money on it personally. I'm not in a walk of life where cinebench scores translate into tangible performance. . . more so just wasted money. I have yet to get my hands on the 3070 and 80 (beyond)... but I will... and along with the footage already on my YT page, which isn't to show some great sub count or anything... merely to stand as proof of concept... But just as it is there, there will come RTX 30 series footage that shows how yet again, Ivy E and other older hardwares can still throw down to max ability in gaming, with brand new GPU's ... getting the same scores in 3Dmark as anyone else with a brand new, best of the best CPU, who happens to have the same gpu.. Not to say it will hold true at 1080p and lower resolutions forever, but it's pretty strong still yet. Strong enough to say buying new is silly.
That is a sweet little device!! Perfect for office use or a media device. The celerons were very good (J4105) but they still lacked the processing power in many use cases, no issues here. Also would love to see how well PS3 emulation runs on this device!!
I love that you call everything a “unit”.
ETA PRIME: "Unit"
DankPods: "Nugget"
"ETA Unit"??
You're a unit.
@@vanisshen4467 im dead
It's an absolute "unit"😆
The computer is not bad
I personally just have a desktop and use Parsec to stream to my phone and then I can use samsung dex to display on a monitor or TV connect mouse, keyboard, and for most games wire up an Xbox controller due to latency with racing and shooting games ex:forza horizon 4 although Bluetooth is fine for slower games like Microsoft flight simulator 2020 works great and is a more compact portable setup than hauling around a pc, some laptops and even the nintendo switch if you include dock and the grip and extra joycons
this is a good set up for a living room with a big tv making it a multi media center for a living room
Agree, although overpriced for that purpose slone. I find that a good dedicated media player like med8er cannot be beaten by s mini pc.
Home theater pc or Nvidia Shield pro
Awesome video as usual. Eta is nothing but the best. I have loved seeing your channel grow so much. Your future is bright my friend!
Thanks for showing us this nice little unit. Love to see some GNU/Linux gaming benchmarks and testing.
Hell yeah, a full emulation test please
Working on it now
@@ETAPRIME Excited to see how it does! Interested in seeing some Pokemon at 2x on Citra please!
@@ETAPRIME When do you plan on uploading it?
Really excited to see performance!
It's nice but for me personally the appeal in small PCs lies in desktop-class processors and upgradable components. This is too much of a compromise, even if it is smaller than a "proper PC" could currently be.
I totally agree with you .
Used HP 600 mini's use full desktop chip and laptop RAM. I agree I'm more interested in small form factor machines with desktop chips.
ETA when are you gonna test emulation on the Samsung fridge?
👆 Asking the real questions
I second this, it'd be p fun to see lol
I’d also like an ETA from ETA re the fridge
My fridge is an retro gaming beast.
That would be a banger
Agree 100%. Picked up two a few months ago for my kids to do their remote learning. Then went back and got a third for my new Debian box. Highly recommend.
You deserve a million subs!
Merry Christmas........keep your channel alive!!!
I love that! I love the two nvme slots.
I bought one from Lenovo official site in October last year and installed macOS Catalina works just great
So is it a easy setup this the MacOS, e.g drivers all works, if needed, do you need to fiddle with the BIOS, and Stuff? :-)
I love your videos, you always answer every question I have as I have it.
Now we just need someone to figure out how to make it into a handheld
Humour is little stale but I take it
Emulator test would be awesome!
We need a Ryzen Zen 3 APU version of this
it's too hot and power hangry..
Maby
Or a Tiger lake CPU?
M75n appears to be the ryzen model.
Would love to see you Run a external graphics card
He mentioned that it doesn't have thunderbolt 3 sadly
At work, we deploy these exclusively for our phone reps. Personally, I see no problem with these as they are the same as they are laptops without a screen or battery or inbuilt keyboard/trackpad. For just surfing the web, low end vms and remoting into customer systems, these are perfect. And... they are not expensive if purchased on "volume discount"... I can use my T480's Lenovo TB/USB-C universal dock when deploying these for a 1 cable solution. For me as a personal use-case, I will advocate for a like-cost custom AMD tower every time.
Yes PLEASE do the emulation video 🙌🏼
All your videos are cool man. I like learn about this stuff
love your videos man. I get excited whenever you post a new one!
Nice, but very, very expensive here, that model is EUR 800,- in The Netherlands.
At that cost better to get a laptop and use it instead
399gbp in the UK so how does that work
Same, it's 620€ on Amazon.es. Why does it cost $400, or roughly half price in Euros, in the US?
@@coffeelover5631 Thanks. So it's like Japan? Here in Spain VAT is 21% and it's included. So the US price is 480-500 dollars, which is still significantly cheaper than Spain. Here we also pay for recycling, so it could explain why it's pricier in Europe.
Lenovo has been stepping up their game these past few years
As an off-grid full time RVer, I'm always interested in these low power consumption units. Thanks for the power consumption stats. What is the voltage output of the power supply? Also, have you installed linux on it yet?
How long have you been living off grid/RVing/Nomading?
This mini pc looks like a router
I have a switch that looks a lot like that.
@@brodriguez11000 cool
@morpheus01736 ok thanks
it's more like a vape
Power Bank
What a time to be alive
I just ordered the Beelink GR7 to replace my 11 year old i5 desktop. Can’t wait to get it next week!
Lenovo should make one like this wiith amd ryzrn and even using vega graphics
Check out the m75n!
Wife: You have enough Mini PC's
ETA: Nani!!!!
Try increasing the memory for the GPU in Bios/Video Setting. You can go up to 1 GB.
Who bro ?
After your last video I bought the 8265U version of this for about the same price, so you got a better deal. I am going to test with an eGPU today via the second X2 slot. The cover almost fits back on with the ribbon cable pushing through. I may be able to cut it for perfect fit. Hope it works!
My AMD Radeon HD 7970 3GB is working perfectly externally with a $35 adapter and PC power supply. This is awesome! Hoping to get it set up as a basic gaming PC for my daughter. Next to install Steam.
ETA Prime: this mini pc is .....
Mini pc website : sold out
😁😁😁
thanks to add those temps/consumption graphs!
10:04 yes... very interested...
that jazz video cracks me up for some reason
Merry christmas bro
I have one as my main PC. I use it mostly for internet and media consumption. I have a usb sound card connected to a sound bar and Displayport to a 50" TV. I have two Sabrent 1TB NVME SSDs internally and a usb attached DVD for movies The pc is silent and practically invisible.
I'm not much of a gamer but I do run DOSBox for Duke Nukem, Doom, and Wolfenstein, awesome on a big screen with good audio.
My tv consumption is all digital from the internet and works very well.
All in all I can't fault it.
I intend to buy another as an office PC and a third for emulation.
It's like a handheld console without the screen, d-pad, abxy, etc. XD yes looking forward for the emulation video.
4:44
**SCROLLING INTENSIFIES**
Can you make a comparison with the Ryzen 4850 you have build recently?
I would love to see which of them is more powerful.
Thank you again for a great video
I bought one this summer, it really is an amazing little computer. I was able to get a new one for about $400 with an i5. Just need to keep an eye open for deals.
Hey I have a question do you think I can play sims if I buy this?
If only it had a ryzen chip with their great Vega graphics on board. It would've been an easy buy. Intel's graphics chips are weak af
They do have a few with AMD processors "ThinkCentre M75n Nano" Comes with the Ryzen 3 PRO 3300U. Kinda gimped it with 2400MHz soldered RAM though.
Tiger Lake Xe chips are faster than Vega atm. Doesn't help this device running old 8th gen processors though... Being so far behind limits the use of this device significantly.
I like this but again, integrated graphics are the limiting factor. Can this be solved with an add on or something?
@@compthing5656 I think it would have been fine if they had just put Tiger Lake in it. 96EU Xe Graphics is the fastest x86 iGPU out until Ryzen 5000 chips with iGPU come out. Would've been able to run with that and TB4 ports making for a very competent machine.
@@PrintAimGame they were behind big time around the hd4000, hd520 etc. Vega beat that easily as well as the hd640 even. However only in their most recent tiger lake igpu beats vega, it only does so if there's at least 25W available for the CPU, otherwise the CPU eats up the entire power envelope, even in single core workloads
Cyberpunk looks so much better on that tiny box streamed via Stadia than it does on my PS4. Really makes me cry :-P
ETA Prime.... they can't all be amazing!
please, do some comparisons between what's available. How well they emulate vs costs and give us some comparative value assessment.
Also, always try 3ds (Citra) please :D
Really good temps considering the size and how much is packed in there.
"4K video playback on youtube"
Me watching in 720P wOw So CoOl
A year ago I'd be watching this at 144p and still buffering. Count your blessings :)
An AMD Ryzen 3 with Radeon integrated graphics in this forum factor would be interesting. Good review on this little PC.
Check out Aya Neo.
I think future Intel and AMD APUs will be really compelling as small form factor PCs. You're gonna get a lot of performance for your money.
Just read your po box address and you must live right near me dude, I live in Durham. Been watching you forever and never knew! Maybe one day soon I will make another wood/acrylic pc case and give you one to play with!
Nice video! Do you think this is a good machine for a pinball fx 2 or 3 cabinet? Does it do the job?
5:53 Its actually 60 Mega-bits per sec and not Mega-bytes per sec.
You make computer networks professors proud
@@KraziAzian wish you could have done that
The Nano pc would make a nice streaming device to install plex, Hd homerun for local channels, Kodi, IPTV and Emulators to play with along with a USB hub to plug in remote , gamepad/arcade joystick. I love my shield though.
I bought a HP version of this, a prodesk mini 400 G4 for 250 a year ago, has a Core i5 8500T, a octacore cpu, upgraded to a 1tb ssd and 16gb ram for a total of 400 euros.
Getting closer to my preferred 'next gen' desktop format: 3 M.2 slots (separate boot drive and RAID1 for data), upgradable RAM and maybe CPU. Oh yeah, and a model with NO WINDOWS TAX. Grrr.
Not sure if he mentioned, but the M.2 slots are PCIe v3 x4 - yay!
Amazon listing says 'no optical drive' - heh heh.
Been a minute since you did one of the ACEPC mini rigs. AK2C-8-128-i5 on Amazon looks interesting.
Good for my home desktop PC
Full emulation please. Thank you in advance, ETA Prime and Merry Xmas!
cool. thank for this video!
Are you going to connect an external gpu to this and do some emulation?
Unfortunately it does not have thunderbolt but it may work over M.2
That's exactly what I was thinking when I saw the spare m.2. Like, a hip is basically the size of this thing, but it would still be kinda cool to see.
I'm a huge fan of SFF computers and this one looks interesting. However, I think a used NUC, gen 7 or later, is a better value because of the included thunderbolt port that allows for egpu use.
Thunderbolt is nice, but if you are running it on a mini computer and not a laptop, you will get better performance using a m.2 drive for pcie 4x.
TB3?
@@mixedup5858 Yes, my NUC8i3BEH has thunderbolt 3.
@@PMARC14 I assume you're referring to the bottleneck inherent to thunderbolt 3 but at least AAA gaming is an option on my NUC (just not at high settings on some games). I don't see that as an option on the reviewed Lenovo, which is what I was addressing.
Not that much bigger than a smartphone, super cool!
at first i wanted to say that my intel nuc is smaller with almost the same specs, but then i saw the accessoires you got with it...
Would love to see a full emulation video
Just bought one of these for my daughter. She was able to play minecraft and overwatch without issue.
Possible upgrade for me. I'm looking for an every day driver that can essentially pay for itself in energy cost savings over my primary PC which spends most of it's time web browsing, email, ect...
Mac mini
@@jj-icejoe6642 Possibly an acceptable choice. I'm not a huge fan of OSX but if I can use Linux on it then maybe.
coming with peripherals hella worth it
I have a i7 and wondering if an eGPU would work on it. Have you ever tried? I know you have done a few setups. Could you test it for me?
I scrapped my desktop because of its size. I guess desktop is about to make a comeback.
this is the mac mini version of the T490. It just doesn't have thundertbolt 3. I wish it did. I would connect it to a Razer Core X.
Would like to see a full emulation video.
Lenovo just kills it with these IoT/SFF devices AND they're affordable. If there's a SFF/USFF box out there with Thunderbolt 3 eGPU support, that would be amazing!
the ASUS PN50 is way more affordable over here in Europe and plenty AMD models of those too :D still waiting on my 4800U model though... it seems to take a while to materialize and I didn't wanna settle with a 4700U
$440 on Amazon for base with 8GB RAM and 512GB SSD. #325 for 256GB SSD refurb on Ebay. They really needed a TB3 on this.
I surely look forward to what companies can do with Intel XE integrated graphics equipped cpu's mini pc's.
Great video
What's the model of the game controller you're using?
What would be the fps in 1080p low fortnite and did you use the performance Alpha setting? My guess is around 30-40 ?
The concern with these mini pcs are that they don't last. The built quality, the high heat in a small space, the limited upgradability as well as serviceability is a high concern for some people.
That is complete bs, mini pcs don't necessarily produce much heat/watt at all, maybe cheap mini pcs though done right they can last a lifetime
Man, the new Intel iGpus will totally kill the market!
All they have to do is to match or surpass the Vega 11 and pair that juicy memory controller with unlocked ram overclocking!
Hope Raspberry make something comparable!!!!
Just waiting for PI 5
Hi ETA, Love your chanel! Can you recommend a small form factor pc that can comfortably emulate ps2 games at high resolution, 4k res would be amazing?
Holy moly that thing is tiny! And it includes an i5. Its some kind of sourcery 😄
Does 4 weeks really make that much of a difference? On Lenovo's site right now the i3 is $447 (which they're claiming is super savings from $745 retail).
Nice! Could I use this with the xtension game board?
Sooo this one costs 710€ directly at Lenovo Germany, which would be around 870$. I really do envy these US prices.
everybody outside US does :)
He did say that he bought it refurbished, so that takes a good chunk off the price
@@TheVastoLordes US prices still stupidly low compared to rest of the world... USD to DKK is about 6,5... but if I usually just multiply with 10, not 6,5 to get the prices over here from the msrp
MORE STEAMLINK TESTING PLEASE!
Emulation please. Great video. I know if I had this I would be running emulation all the time. Can you test PS2, PS3 and Gamecube some more?
Could you try Pinball FX2 and 3 with these builds? The form factor would be great for mini Pinball tables.
I would wait for a risen 4xxxu version of this. More CPU cores and better video card.
620 graphics let it down. If there was a way to connect a GPU to it, it would be a beast. Good for living room media PC. If it's coffee lake it will do Ultra blu ray with correct monitor and drive via USB. Don't know if that will.
try to power it off of usb c with the elecjet adapter and a 100w power adapter
Would have been nice to see testing of 2TB SSDs, i assume it supports 1PB but i wouldnt put it past an OEM to block the install of aftermaket SSDs better than what you can order from the assemblers
Too expensive for me but the power consumption is very impressive !
I cant wait for the KFConsole review
Did you happen to try cemu? Specifically mariokart 8?
Great Job. Using these devices for 4K Media consumption requires support for HDR/ Dolby ATMOS/ Dolby Vision / DTS-x. Can you include the support of these technologies in you future reviews. Maybe you can also try other OS like Chrome or Android OS "you already had a video how to". The idea is using IR remote for control & these OS support these technologies
Thanks a lot
Is automodelista harder to run than F-zero GX (with a lot of opponents on screen)?
If you do an emulation video can you test out some virtual pinball using Future Pinball or Visual Pinball?
I’d love to know it’s power consumption.
Great video, though.
It seems impressive at first, until you realize that all this i5 is, is a MUCH older i7... say a sandy bridge 2760QM.... at 35w it can and will PM at or over 8500.... this one here at 25w will PM around 6500. They shed 10w and named it something new.... put it in a neat tiny lil case, as can be had now, as things have shrunk since then.... but performance wise, nope... hasn't changed since 2011/12. Literally nothing has... I still run an Ivy-e with my RTX cards, and there has yet to be bottleneck with up to a 2080s, on a 4930K @ 4.5 over all 6/12. . . All cpus of even 8th, 9th, and 10th gen can easily be compared to clear counterparts dating back to as far as sandy bridge. If you're spending top dollar on modern cpu's, to any degree that can be considered "often", you are doing yourself a disservice.
so if I'm understanding what you;re saying, you could get an older, slightly larger PC with similar specs as an i7 from 2012 and still obtain this performance for potentially half the price?
@@TheRealAlpha2 Indeed... and if dabbling in the mobile market of the yester-era, you can likely satisfy your needs for small form factor as well. With ITX builds around the Ivy or Ivy-e cpu you can have PCIE 3.0, M.2, cpu performance that rivals and / or surpasses new, and all for half or well less than half the cost. Some of the stuff is just in other folks junk piles at this point, free to take.
@@TheRealAlpha2 yes, for example, if you buy macbook pro 15-inch with *I7-4770HQ* processor, it still much more powerful than 2018-2019 Macbook Pro 13-inch laptops (because they use shitty *U* processors (ultra low voltage), which does not do good in terms of performance).
Same for desktops.
On my job we had plenty of 2011-ish Xeon-based servers and performance was good enough for 90% of loads.
This is extremely usecase dependent. For some use cases, these modern CPUs will destroy their older counterparts. They also offer more compute power / watt.
@@KatoKrazy That's not really so... There are certain workloads where a newer cpu can do exponentially better... say in AVX tasks a chip such as a first gen is out, chips with AVX instruction sets are in, and of course chips with advanced AVX pipelines are further ahead. I will give you the fact that power efficiency is often something gained as processes shrink and time moves forward, but this isn't always the case either. Here we have a cpu going by the namesake of "i5" ... it consumes 25w and benchmarks a set work capability of 6500. A 2012 cpu by the namesake "i7" consumes 35w and benchmarks the exact same set workload at 8500. Both are 4c/8t cpu's, the newer one using a substantially smaller process. That said, the efficiency is no better. . . Give it the 10w more that it lacks over the older i7, and it performs identically, at the exact same thermal input/output. The ipc hasn't changed one iota, and this can be observed in nearly all cases of X, MX, Q, QM, and K cpu's, of which would have been under the performance banner for intel for any given generation. Just as I have a 4930K, an IvyE i7, that passmarks 15380, (I can get better but this is a nice middle ground with 20-30c normal loads, and 60ish heavy... at 4.5 over all 6/12)... if you take that and scale it up in core/thread count, it represents linearly with late models just the same. It honestly hasn't changed... only the outward approach, not the tech it's based on.. Or so to say, they cranked clocks for a bit, they played with memory channels and speeds, then they hit the road we are still on... which is ridiculous core/thread counts. And yes, this will absolutely see gains in specific workloads such as multithreaded compute, render workloads, production, etc... it won't make a bit of difference in gaming. And that's where you have to decide what's actually important to you... A: a nicely matched and well balanced machine, based on parts that make sense and don't even have to cost nearly all that much (outside of gpu).. or B: Buying parts that will never see an ounce of gains in your day to day, playing games to the exact same max ability as far cheaper and even older parts, with their only merits being Cinebench scores... I don't care for B: enough to waste money on it personally. I'm not in a walk of life where cinebench scores translate into tangible performance. . . more so just wasted money. I have yet to get my hands on the 3070 and 80 (beyond)... but I will... and along with the footage already on my YT page, which isn't to show some great sub count or anything... merely to stand as proof of concept... But just as it is there, there will come RTX 30 series footage that shows how yet again, Ivy E and other older hardwares can still throw down to max ability in gaming, with brand new GPU's ... getting the same scores in 3Dmark as anyone else with a brand new, best of the best CPU, who happens to have the same gpu.. Not to say it will hold true at 1080p and lower resolutions forever, but it's pretty strong still yet. Strong enough to say buying new is silly.
That is a sweet little device!! Perfect for office use or a media device. The celerons were very good (J4105) but they still lacked the processing power in many use cases, no issues here.
Also would love to see how well PS3 emulation runs on this device!!