PNW Range Gen3 bars. 5° up sweep - 10° back sweep - 30mm rise. For me these feel just right and very compliant, especially for an aluminum set of bars. With the 10° back sweep it shortens the reach a bit, but there's not much need to roll the bar back to get the right feel. And I totally agree with you about carbon bars, cranks and seat rails... never.
I’m using the 38mm PNW Loam carbon bar and loving it. With carbon, you just have to make sure everything is clean in install and absolutely use a torque wrench for all bolts. Alloy Stumpy Evo bike, carbon wheels, carbon bar, Smashpot Fox36 Rhythm, rides so good! Running Butcher T9 front, Kryptotal Re Soft rear.
Glad i stumbled across this video. I bought the FUNN equalizer stem to try and help with a reach that's a touch too long and a stack that's a touch too low. I then thought about grabbing one of their bars, but i ended up grabbing the TAG Metals one, because the deal was just ridiculous. Cheers for sharing.
If you have different reach bikes do you compensate for that at all with bar width. As in if it was a touch longer than the 'perfect' number would you recommend trimming from 780 to 770 as an example, to avoid being overly stretched out and avoid having to roll them back (besides the extra tree clearance haha) Cheers mate.
Yeah definitely, within reason. A big bike with narrow bars becomes a bit of a handful when you start to gallop so you wanna still keep a functional width. I think for most people cutting down to no shorter than 740 would be the narrowest without losing too much control.
Can't say I liked Renthals either. Went to a 30mm rise Burgtec with same bak & up sweep as my old Answers. Needed a bit more rise though, so went to a 38mm rise Burgtec in a 35 mm clamp. Thought it it might be a bit harsher than the old 31.8's, but it's not too bad.
Funny I’ve just been messing around with riser bars lately. For a while now I’ve wanted to increase the front end height on my turbo Levo. It came with a 35mm riser. So I’ve put a spank spoon 60mm rise bar on and so far I love it. Looked a little motorcross at first but I’ve gotten over that.
@@mtbtelly5522 1102mm. It will be a little under 1100 when I roll the bars back a tiny bit, as they slope slightly up in their current position. That can’t be good! I have to be honest, I didn’t notice that they sloped slightly up in until I stood my bike perfectly upright to take the measurement just now lol.
The Renthal is a stiffer bar than the Tag at 35 clamp dia. I think I prefer the Tag’s compliance over the renthal but I’d have to test them back to back to be sure. As for diameter preference, I always liked the 31.8 Renthal. Felt solid, good compliance and super reliable. I don’t mind either as long as the bar isn’t too stiff
I exclusively run the renthal 20mm fatbar 31.8 clamp because I like the flat straight bar. The back sweep being too much really messes with my wrist angle. Question, off topic. Did you ever run a zeb on your slash ? If so was it worth it over the lyrik?
Yeah I did. I had the A1 Zeb ultimate and pretty quickly put a Luftkappe on the spring to improve it. Standard spring wasnt great but the Luftkappe made it a much better fork. The lyrik was still the more supple fork, but the Zeb was clearly stronger and felt more solid up front
Hiya mate just after some advice and recommendation's, i have Renthal bars in 35 on a hardtail with currently Ergon 1 grips still after a year not getting on with them. ( the grips ) im thinking of going for the ODI elite? would you recommend them or another grip? ( still get hand pump real bad with these grips more so than the stock ones on my bike - unfortunately i no longer have the original grips) thanks again mate for your advice and info in advance!
I like the ODI elite flow, but a lot of friends run thr elite pro (with the pad for your palm. I only really get arm pump when the suspension setup is off.
do you ever get pain in forearms by the elbow, the lower part, aka golfer's elbow? If so what does that tell you about bar height/roll, reach? Struggling to get rid of it with new bike.
I’m thinking maybe bars are rolled too far forward creating too much upsweep and eliminating backsweep? Or potentially you have a general posture issue, with the elbow issue stemming from a shoulder or upper back issue
I am thinking about bars myself still got the bontrager bars on my remedy and like them 27.5mm rise cut to 780mm. thinking to different bars for my trail bike 130mm fork pike thinking of loosing the 25mm rise 770mm deity. for something 20mm rise maybe cut them to 760mm? no way plastic bars!! cheers man
He’s back !!
PNW Range Gen3 bars. 5° up sweep - 10° back sweep - 30mm rise. For me these feel just right and very compliant, especially for an aluminum set of bars. With the 10° back sweep it shortens the reach a bit, but there's not much need to roll the bar back to get the right feel. And I totally agree with you about carbon bars, cranks and seat rails... never.
These bars have made a massive difference for me. No more wrist/palm pain either.
Ah a 10 degree back, i’m interested to see how that feels as well
I’m using the 38mm PNW Loam carbon bar and loving it. With carbon, you just have to make sure everything is clean in install and absolutely use a torque wrench for all bolts. Alloy Stumpy Evo bike, carbon wheels, carbon bar, Smashpot Fox36 Rhythm, rides so good! Running Butcher T9 front, Kryptotal Re Soft rear.
Glad i stumbled across this video.
I bought the FUNN equalizer stem to try and help with a reach that's a touch too long and a stack that's a touch too low.
I then thought about grabbing one of their bars, but i ended up grabbing the TAG Metals one, because the deal was just ridiculous.
Cheers for sharing.
Good to see that your back on the job👍
SQlab handle bars are super comfy, 12 - 16 degrees backsweep
TAG are good quality metals made in Holland if memory serves correct, running 40mm Renthals at 780 width at the moment.
If you have different reach bikes do you compensate for that at all with bar width. As in if it was a touch longer than the 'perfect' number would you recommend trimming from 780 to 770 as an example, to avoid being overly stretched out and avoid having to roll them back (besides the extra tree clearance haha) Cheers mate.
Yeah definitely, within reason. A big bike with narrow bars becomes a bit of a handful when you start to gallop so you wanna still keep a functional width. I think for most people cutting down to no shorter than 740 would be the narrowest without losing too much control.
@@mtbtelly5522 thanks champ 👌🏼
Can't say I liked Renthals either. Went to a 30mm rise Burgtec with same bak & up sweep as my old Answers. Needed a bit more rise though, so went to a 38mm rise Burgtec in a 35 mm clamp. Thought it it might be a bit harsher than the old 31.8's, but it's not too bad.
Funny I’ve just been messing around with riser bars lately. For a while now I’ve wanted to increase the front end height on my turbo Levo. It came with a 35mm riser. So I’ve put a spank spoon 60mm rise bar on and so far I love it. Looked a little motorcross at first but I’ve gotten over that.
That is definitely a tall front, if it works then thats the recipe
@@mtbtelly5522 I know, so far so good. I don’t like being over the bars, this gives me a more balanced between hands and feet position.
@@steve4296 perfect. Whats your height from ground to the top of the grips?
@@mtbtelly5522 1102mm. It will be a little under 1100 when I roll the bars back a tiny bit, as they slope slightly up in their current position. That can’t be good! I have to be honest, I didn’t notice that they sloped slightly up in until I stood my bike perfectly upright to take the measurement just now lol.
@@steve4296 that is quite high, but if it feels good thats your number. Definitely get that roll where you want it as well 👌🏽👌🏽
What do you prefer between 31.8 and 35?
And what’s your opinion on renthal fatbar? Is it better than the tag metal?
Nice video👍🏻
The Renthal is a stiffer bar than the Tag at 35 clamp dia. I think I prefer the Tag’s compliance over the renthal but I’d have to test them back to back to be sure.
As for diameter preference, I always liked the 31.8 Renthal. Felt solid, good compliance and super reliable. I don’t mind either as long as the bar isn’t too stiff
For me the One Up 35mm rise are killer. The compliance is fantastic. Super comfortable ride.
I exclusively run the renthal 20mm fatbar 31.8 clamp because I like the flat straight bar. The back sweep being too much really messes with my wrist angle. Question, off topic. Did you ever run a zeb on your slash ? If so was it worth it over the lyrik?
Yeah I did. I had the A1 Zeb ultimate and pretty quickly put a Luftkappe on the spring to improve it. Standard spring wasnt great but the Luftkappe made it a much better fork.
The lyrik was still the more supple fork, but the Zeb was clearly stronger and felt more solid up front
spank vibrocore have been my go to - got them in a good 40 mm rise and calm feedback down a lot
I hear they’re a great bar
Hey. Cool vid. Did notice your Tag Metal bars are not centered in your clamp. It’s off by quite a bit.
Yeah their print marks are way off
Oh. That sucks!
Hey long time no see, LOL we bought a campervan :)
Solid info thanks brotha
Hiya mate just after some advice and recommendation's, i have Renthal bars in 35 on a hardtail with currently Ergon 1 grips still after a year not getting on with them. ( the grips ) im thinking of going for the ODI elite? would you recommend them or another grip? ( still get hand pump real bad with these grips more so than the stock ones on my bike - unfortunately i no longer have the original grips) thanks again mate for your advice and info in advance!
I like the ODI elite flow, but a lot of friends run thr elite pro (with the pad for your palm.
I only really get arm pump when the suspension setup is off.
thanks for the reply. love the videos man @@mtbtelly5522
do you ever get pain in forearms by the elbow, the lower part, aka golfer's elbow? If so what does that tell you about bar height/roll, reach? Struggling to get rid of it with new bike.
I’m thinking maybe bars are rolled too far forward creating too much upsweep and eliminating backsweep? Or potentially you have a general posture issue, with the elbow issue stemming from a shoulder or upper back issue
Where are you measuring bar height to? Outside, middle or inside of grips? Top middle or bottom? Cheers
Hey bud, I measure to the top of the grips on the outer end of the grip, and calibrate it on the other side to make sure the measurement is accurate
Awesome, cheers mate, been playing around with bar height and ended up in a similar ballpark to your setup
I am thinking about bars myself still got the bontrager bars on my remedy and like them 27.5mm rise cut to 780mm. thinking to different bars for my trail bike 130mm fork pike thinking of loosing the 25mm rise 770mm deity. for something 20mm rise maybe cut them to 760mm? no way plastic bars!! cheers man
Yeah that bontrager is a great bar, good angles etc. how tall are you?
@@mtbtelly5522 same as you around 5ft 8in
Candy bars