HANDLEBAR HELPER | Measuring your true sweep.
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- In "Selecting the Right MTB Handlebars for Maximum Joy | Measuring Yourself for Your Optimal Sweep. Alex is joined by bike fit guru Lee McCormack from Leelikesbikes.com.
We hear all the time that selecting the MTB handlebars with the right sweep is just a matter of personal preference. It is WAY MORE THAN THAT. Selecting a handlebar with the right sweep is one of the most important and impactful decisions concerning your mountain bike's ergonomics.
The great news is that it will only takes a few minutes to take the measurements necessary. After that you will know with complete certainty what handlebar sweep works best for YOU. The upside is less aches and pains and maximum joy and shred.
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0:00 WELCOME
0:18 SWEEP MATTERS
1:31 HANDLEBAR NUMBERS
2:10 OUR SWEEP?
4:28 BAD IDEAS
5:09 MEASURING SWEEP
6:53 SWEEP BY BRAND
7:39 HOW MUCH UPSWEEP
9:16 LEE'S CHANGING
Love,
Alex
I would watch this even if I wouldn't have hands. Like a fish or something..
HAHAHAHA. I love the image. In your tank. Bumping the glass. Trying to get your owner to click on Joy of Bike. Cheers!
I can't believe how much wisdom I get here that exists absolutely nowhere else.
Alex and Lee, many of us are gutted you've stopped making videos. We understand you need to focus on your personal lives, but we hope you also understand what a huge contribution your videos are to the community. The two of you had/have something incredible that the rest of the world benefits from. I hope you reconsider and perhaps find a way to balance making videos while taking care of yourselves.
Trevor, it’s wonderful to read your words. I’m really proud of the channel and feel like the content continues to provide value. My intentions are always around the deeper message that is told through the bike. It’s never just about riding for me. Always as a teacher/student. So at some point the channel was limiting where I could put my energies as a student/teacher. I hope this makes sense. I fully expect there will be occasional new videos in the future because I have endless love for the bike and this community we’re part of. In other news, Lee just came out with two or more new videos. One is on pros closet and a couple on his own RUclips channel so check those out too. All the best my brother!!!
@@JoyOfBike Thanks for replying. Best of luck on your road ride and stay safe.
you guys have a bigger fanbase than you know...on my last ride bumped into a 70yr old trail builder/rider and he swore by your channel and how much he has learnt even after 30yrs of riding...Keep the good stuff coming.
That is awesome!
I think these two guys make the most clear and effettive videos out there. No fancy stuff in it, just clear concepts demonstrated, explainedand applied.
You guys keep blowing my mind!!! Thank you
Maximum Joy... that's why I watch this channel! Love the conversations and honest break downs. Cheers and thanks guys 🤙🏻
Perfect timing. I was just rewatching the handlebar width video and wondering how bar sweep figured into it.
Great channel , great team work.👍
I dig the cooking show format! Showing the science of how and why really helps get an understanding of all the little nuances of bike riding that add up to making a big difference overall.
This channel is just so fresh and dope as the young kids used to say! You guys keep killing it! Love just a different kind of show on the same topic!
Great video! Never paid much attention to up/back sweep, only focused on the rise! Just went to a 3" rise protaper and it's awesome, now I need to do the pencil trick and see how it stacks up to my ergonomics!
You make awesome videos! Thank you for another great one!
You guys were always amazing on your videos...been watching it everyday lately. Informative stuffs! Keep rolling guys! Shoutout from the Philippines!!
Really appreciated the tips! I’ve looked for this kind of info elsewhere and your videos are the only ones I could find that really explain it. Subscription activated!!
This video made a huge difference. I rolled my bar back til it was flat. That moved my elbows down to a more natural position. My elbows definitely appreciated that
Wonderful!
Thanks again for a great vid guys. Keep em coming.
Are you guys the only ones that make things make sense with sensible tools to find out what works and what doesn't? cause you guys have the best info on stuff
Thanks for the video. So important to make your bike fit you. I was like Lee when I raced that if I thought it would make me faster then that’s what I used regardless of ergonomics. At this point I am all about the comfort and making it fun to be on the bike. I have cut my bars down a bit more and rotated them so there is no upsweep and I have a shorter stem coming to dial in my seated reach. Great content that is often overlooked. Thanks again.
Man, once again, you guys rock! spot on with your advice for measurements. Always wondered why I felt more comfortable on my old Salsa bar vs my other bars.. The Salsa has 11 deg back sweep. According to my measurements I need about 10.5. Thanks a million! I know what I'll look for in my new bars.
A BIG like button for you, guys! Always so interesting! I Look forward the next one! 🤓
You guys have the best MTB videos out there.
wow! was looking for this vid for so long! thank you guys!
Awesome! Thank you so much for making this video and explaining it in detail.
These guys are great. Explaining complex bike ergonomics in a fun and efficient way. I've watched two of theirs in a row. Learned a lot about potential reasons for numb hands.
This... was awesome. You guys are smashing it.
Wow...seriously... I went out today, and wanted to put this to the test as I've been getting pins and needles in my left hand on XC type rides, and I literally adjusted the bars as you showed, watched the sweep come back towards me a bit, and tightened it all up again...and....boom...no more tingling in the hand!!
Best vid I've seen on mtb recently by far. Thank you so much.
THANK YOU for this video: BEST help for selecting the right backsweep
Well done!
This was so useful. Over the last week of bingeing this channel I’ve worked out so many things I need to change on my bike and my backsweep is 15 degrees! which doesn’t fit my bars at all. Plus I discovered a local pump track. Lots of wiggle(UK) purchases. At 49 I almost gave up XC riding for road riding but now have new enthusiasm for learning new MTB skills I neglected my whole life. Thanks so much!
u guys rock!!!!! simple as it is... the knowledge dropped in your vids is incredible and just wanna say thanx ...
Great video. I have a buddy that would always tell me my bars needed to be rolled forward more and I didn't have a reason why, but I always liked it better when mine were rolled back. Sounds like I don't like the upsweep either. I didn't know why I did it other than I just like the way it feels better. This video was really eye opening to me. Thanks for doing this. Glad I listened to one of my subscribers that recently mentioned it.
lovely video! I noticed Lee's bar back sweep a couple of videos ago. I messaged him about what brand he uses as here in Australia is pretty hard to find "non-popular" handlebars. After lots of research to reduce the pain in my arms, I'm using the same brand SQlab as him, with 16o back sweep and EZI grips and the pain is gone! Thanks Lee!
This is one of the best videos regarding how subtle angles greatly affect your comfort and/or performance. Bravo to all involved in this video. And thank you for the valuable information.
Amazing vid! Very informative and makes me thing what I want for my own bike. Thanks!
Some of the consistently best MTB content period. My riding improves with every video released.
Wow, thanks!
Simple and brilliant! You guys are amazing.
You rock!
Love the way you guys approach things 👍🏽
Your videos on bike ergonomics are great and really important! I see so many people riding expensive bikes that don't fit them properly (frame size, saddle position, saddle height, handlebar width and angle, cleat position). Some even give up cycling because they feel uncomfortable even though most of their issues could be solved by proper adjustment or an inexpensive swap.
Great insights. I had given this no thought before and I’ve def had wrist issues.
Where have these videos been all my life? Great stuff!
Thank you two gents for this, it explains EXACTLY why my left wrist hurts w/the stock bar on my 2021 Meta HT AM Essential, whereas the 60mm rise, 4°up x 10°back of a Spank Spoon 60 does not.
The stock bar specs that I'm able to locate are:RIDE ALPHA R27 31,8 mm, 780 mm width, 27 mm rise. It's pretty flat...
I broke my left wrist as a kid by separating the radius bone from the growth plate. The Dr's said it was very possible that I'd require surgery to "stretch" the bone of the growth plate didn't reattach and continue growing. Lord willing it did, but until watching this vid, I never noticed how my left hand, when in the position of holding the handlebars, is canted with my thumb turned more towards my body.
The relatively flat bar of the Meta inflamed this, thr Spank bar does not, because science.
Keep it up gents, I'm growing in skill and knowledge because yall are good teachers!
Tx
You're not alone! We didn't mention it but neither of us are symmetrical. One wrist had a slightly different relaxed angel than the other. So perhaps best to shoot for a number in between.
I just ordered a Spank Spoon 60mm with 10 degree back and 4 degree up. I'm hoping it will allow me to ride more upright (not hunched over) and eliminate the pins & needles in my left arm.
Chilled breakfast vibe from this video. Plus some light crafting with pencils and tape. Perfect to wake up to!
It’s great to hear this piece on biomechanics and ergonomics. Turning 50 this year and don’t want to ignore these things.
Been researching to determine the correct back sweep as my final tweak to my new flat bar gravel bike. This video was extremely helpful in confirming the right number (12 degrees), which turns out to be the sweep recommended by SQ Lab for my more upright riding position. Thanks very much for posting.
Thank you guys ! I've been thinking about getting a wide flat bar, but thanks to your information I've been able to figure out with a couple of pencils and an angle measure, that I need my habdlebar seriously bent back. You might have saved me quite a bit of health trouble... on the other hand an orthopedic practitioner just lost some consulting money.
SO helpful. Thank you! Glad I found this before I bought a bar based on what a friend is riding/recommends.
The two of yous are so entertaining to watch. Keep it up!
We have fun. Stay shreddy.
Had a private call with Lee and my SQLAB bars arrived just today. Looking forward to finding out how they feel.
Let us know! 12 or 16?
Let me please introduce you to the bars i just got!
hayesbicycle.com/products/protaper-carbon-20-20-handlebar?variant=32139589320749
20 degree rise and sweep!..... 1 inch rise or drop, 780mm, 182 grams BEFORE cutting. Designed with the help of the single speed champion at the time.
Cant wait to put these on the bike I'm getting next year!
This is my favorite channel on youtube right now
OMG, I am sooo glad I watched this video. My grip is exactly the same as Lee's at 16 degrees and my current bar is 9 degrees, so no wonder I'm getting wrist pain no matter how I rotate the bar. Thank you so much :O) Now I'm off shopping for a new bar. You're videos are so enjoyable to watch.
Thank you, guys! I enjoyed this video!
Such a great channel. You and Lee are perfect duo! After my shoulder replacement, I bought a Rip Row from Lee to get me ready for the season and funny you guys posted this video about bars because I just started wondering if I had the right bars and you guys just turned the light on in a dark room! Over 55 learn to mtb!
Awesome! Thank you!
Nice videos been sharing them all with my step father and he has also been finding lots of benefits.
Great vid you guys. Conundrum demystified again! Thanks!
thank You guys so much. I hope I get rid of the wristpain from my xc flatbar.
I love these awesome informative videos!! Your video production level is really great too!
I’ve gotten better at that but i still have a room to grow!!!
One of your most interesting fitment concepts to date. Heading out to the garage to check my backsweep/upsweep settings. Thanks guys!
Have fun!
This is brilliant and well-needed following my having a scaphoid injury some years back. It appears that I am also a 17˚ sweep, and I am in the process of bringing back to life a Diamond Back Axis from '91. Looking for flat bars to accompany the original early 90's Deore XT levers and that's proving to be a mission as the original bars were dead flat! Whilst I am searching, just wanted to say a huge thanks for the science and personal approach that's needed for everyone out there to avoid injuries. A big thanks!
Another day. Another gem. 🤟
Can't thank you guys enough. As a busted up older rider i really want to thank you for all the info. I am now enjoying riding more than dreading the aftermath of aches and pains. Keep up all the great work.
YESBRO!!!
U guys are good….. absolutely love this channel
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Get me thinking every week…. Great great content…. Just when I’m changing bars…. 👌🏻
Great topic again! high five
So ya, there’s tons of great information on mountain biking out there but this is where you go to tweak, perfect, nay… fine tune your relationship with your bike. Which in turn, does wonders for the skill lessons and tips Alex and Lee provide that are worth their weight in gold. Thank you guys.
My personal experience with sweep?… I purchased a Flexx Bar with 12 Deg sweep and it literally changed everything about my riding full stop.
I've been talking about backsweep with my patients with neck/back/shoulder pain for a while but this will be a great resource to show them. Cheers guys!
Heck yeah!!
Guys, you've changed my rider (and friends) life so many times. Can't thank you enough !
This means a lot!!! Thank you!
This is great guys. Really appreciate the open view and not putting forward one option as the best one. Thanks 🙏🏼
Cheers!
Excellent video boys!!! Need to reevaluate my bars for sure.
This was really good!!! Thank you!
Wow. Awesome stuff.
This video is so important. Every rider should watch this. I learned the importance of correct bar set up by trial and error over many years.
Your sweep-o-meter is a genius way to fast-track the process and save people from a lot of cost, experimentation and discomfort.
Sirs - I salute you once again.
I was lucky that the standard works well. I think 7 or 8 is the standard because it will work for most. But not all and if you are outside the norm it's important to know.
Great information. We forget how tight and compact our nervous system is within our skin/body cavity. A SMALL position change can affect pressure on any nerve in the wrong way.
This channel is absolute gold
Appreciate you!!
Just wanted to say hi and thanks for the videos! Found your RAD video and found what I always felt was true, I needed a 80mm stem vs the 100 I had thrown on in a pinch a few years ago. Just watched both of your handlebar vids and confirmed Im good to go with my Fatbar.
👍
This is sooo good!
I'm glad I found you guys. Your channel name is perfect, and really fits. Thank you.
Wow this is absolutely brilliant. Thanks for the info!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Aggreed no unsweep set flat with spirit level.
One trick i used from moto days was having a set of my favorite bars mounted on a sturdy platform and crank out push ups on them you soon learn what works for you ie flat backsweep i must have a renthal upper bod loved them on the moto and mtb great vid guys .
True about the joints, don't torture yourself, I suffered from knee pain while riding, but oval chainring solved it. And handle bar width solved my elbows cooling out of alignment all the time, now it only happens on gnarly technical stuff.
What a godsend! You just saved me a whole lot of money, headaches and frustration. No more trial and error. I can buy the correct handlebar the first time. THANK YOU!
Ran chromag 8 back for a long time and got deity’s at 9 back and it was immediately noticeable. Went to deity bf800s 8 back. Trying fatbars this season, lots of good info in this!!
I just installed my First riser bar to my new rar bike, and this helped alot! Thanks. I know a lot about Fitting drop bars, but with flats im really at a loss. Good insight!
Nice video, Ive just tried to install my new handlebars, I removed my old ones and than I realized, holly molly, there is more angles than I expected :D
I just made myself a sweep-o-meter using the little plastic mounts that Ergon put on the packaging for their grips, tied together with the appropriate length string and amazingly I'm getting angles like Lee, 15-16 degrees. No wonder I've never quite felt comfortable on a 7 degree bar!
I already changed my bar width thanks to your advice. I didn't make your sweepometer device, but just sitting comfortably at my desk with my hands bar width apart my hands are neutral, almost like I wouldn't want any sweep, or maybe even negative sweep for my right wrist. Strangely, I always experience numbness in that hand on descents. By changing the angle of my wrists I can immediately see a change in my elbow position and feel stress on my shoulders. I will tinker with rotating my bars. Another great video!
Dudes, you guys rock 🤘 I'm 41 and just back into riding with my teenage son. Your videos really help along with being enjoyable and informative 👍. Thank you. Really love this format by the way!
Glad to hear it!
Nice easy to understand video! I have also noticed wear on the grips as an indicator of sweep where I can see I put a lot of wear on the outside of the grip as my ergonomics are towards very little sweep. Also rotating the bars to change to change upsweep was great too. I always thought I was strange how I rotated my bars in relation to where the graphics were on the bar but happy to see it makes sense.
Fantastic job once again. You guys tackle so many important issues and bring it down to earth for amateurs like me. Thank you!
Our pleasure!
Really great and useful advice with excellent explanations. Brilliant video as always, thank you. 😃👍🏻
Glad it was helpful!
This is the best tech information channel on RUclips. Some years ago I changed my handlebars and suffered with wrist pain. Even on short 10km rides. A simple rotation of some degrees and the problem became solved for years! The difference from hell to heaven is so close speaking of handlebar rotation.
Best "upgrade" I ever made getting an SQ Lab 16 sweep bar, so much so that I have not been trail riding and just did my 2nd trail ride on my FS that uses a 9* sweep and had wrist paint almost instantly once I hit the trail, whereas ride before on the rigid with SQ Lab 16* had no pain. I'd actually like to try a 23* bar to see how that feels on the rigid and try the 16* on the FS.
wow, i really appreciate this content thanks
Great point of view with the drone, love it.
I need to practice a lot more to get through all these skills. 😎👍❤️🏍
I use and love sqlab 30x 12°. Discovered then some years ago and this solved my wrist pain when riding 👍
Same here. Best upgrade ever. I also have a 610 saddle on the way. Really good stuff.
Had the OneUp carbon which only lasted my 1day and returned right away. Switch to the SQ Labs 16deg like Lee’s and its so awesome, wrist pain is gone instantly. Gosh… when will you ever run out of SuperCool videos. Keep it coming brothers and thank you so much.
We will never run out!
just what i was waiting for
I want to thank you for putting these videos together. 2023 I trained 7 months to race the BC Bike Race and even after buying a new bike I had all kinds of issues. Unfortunately I crashed in training 1 week before the race and broke my shoulder. On the upside I found your channel and the things you talk about translate directly to some of the challenges I have been having. Thank you for sharing things I have not heard from anyone else. I will be applying RAD and your bar fit recommendations as I start the long journey of recovery and readiness for the 2024 BCBR.
Ive always been on 8-7 degrees backsweep by 4 upsweep. Ever since I bought a 9 backsweep by 5 upsweep, im loving it , id even like to try 10 degrees.
More good stuff.....Thank you for making this.
I agree. Smart people have a way of digesting complex issues into simple and easy to understand knowledge. You have that. Thanks for all the knowledge.
I am convinced Lee is an 8th Dan Shaolin master of mountain biking 👍
Alex too, but you present information so entertaining, you should be in syndicated TV imo. 👍
I will add that wide elbows (i.e. flared out elbows in a pushup position) adds more strain to the shoulder, where as closer in elbows puts more strain on the chest and upper back muscles. Obviously not a catch all but definitely something to be considered.
True facts. A narrow grip makes your muscles have to work much harder. I came at my cockpit setup from the perspective of what makes my shoulders feel good and powerful when lifting weights, which is elbows out so that upper-arm is about 45deg from body and then lower arm straight forward from there. Feels comfortable and I can pump the hell out of the front end. By contrast, having the elbows out further starts to cause an impingement (tendon pinching) which will lead to permanent damage.
I swear you guys are magicians. I was talking back sweep with a mate on our last ride. I need more, it would seem.
Google gives us updates on what you and your friends are talking about. It's been working great!!