Meg Griffin: Family Guy's Cruelest Joke
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In this video we look at the entire evolution of Meg Griffin from Family Guy. Voiced by Mila Kunis, we look at Meg's entire life story, her past and future. Taking a look at the Family Guy cutaways, as well as the full Family Guy episodes, I've put Meg's life in chronological order. From season 1 to newest Family Guy season.
We also look at the funniest Family Guy moments from Peter, Lois, Chris, Meg and Brian. As well as other Family Guy characters from Quahog Rhode Island.
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Hey! In the video I mention that Seth said in an interview that the writers room didn't know how to write a teenage girl. I found this well known info on several sites, but I can't find the original interview he said this. So take that with a pinch of salt.
Just wanted to clear that up, thanks ✌️
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Thank you for the video, Lydia. It makes me want to come back to my channel and do my own Meg Griffin related video again.
Couldn't finish the video really wanted to watch it but your voice is so irritating
Meg griffin can't a break heck feeling like her 😕 😩
Meg is my favorite character because we feel the same pain
@@thebeanmeme9928 then who ever you are living with needs to go to jail if you life is like megs you need some fucking saving
I like what they're doing with Meg now. She's not really a punching bag anymore. Just a loose cannon who's doing something wild in the background. Fits her perfectly, she's been bullied her whole life and now she just doesn't care and does whatever chaotic thing she thinks up.
A more healthy version of her father
It also seems like she kinda claps back at her family like if Peter says something to her she would come back at him with an insult.
She returned to her role from seasons 1-3.
So Majima but less stabby stabby?
I honestly prefer being portrayed as people that crap on her but are total idiots and she's like "man fuck you guys I'll sort this myself"
Strange thing about Meg is, that she basically looks like her mother, who's more or less considered the hottest Woman in Quahog, just a bit shorter and with brown hair.
I never got that. It made the "she's so ugly" "joke" make even less sense.
I think it is actually intentional. Both as a joke, but also as a hint, that maybe she can become more attractive if she made the effort. Some unused potential. They actually hinted at it in the multiverse episode as well, where we see super hot Meg walking down the sidewalk. Her face is the same, but she have a clearly well maintained body, which she shows off in tight clothing, high heels, and longer hair. All with a confident, sensual walk. In my eyes, this is a hint to what she could become, if she polished herself a bit.
@ferret Well, most people are somewhat unpolished, due to out culture. :) Regular Meg wears jeans and t-shirts that are baggy, and not showing off her feminine assets. She have kind of a bad posture, and a bored/unintrested look on her face (not that I really blame her). She is somewhat insecure, have low self worth, don't set boundaries, and a bit socailly awkward, which shows in her body language. (I love Meg, so this is not critique, it is just the way she is written). When we see hot multiverse Meg, she has excellent posture, obviously takes good care of her body, shows of her feminine attributes, and have a more relaxed and confident body language and facial expression. Same with every other female 'hot' character on the show.
So I would say Meg is unpolished, and many people in the modern world is. Because it is in the culture to not really take pride in your appearance, but our biology is still hardwired to be attracted to people who do, and on some level respect them more. Multiverse Meg is a hint at what she could become, if she did take more pride in her appearance, and developed herself inside and out, the 'optimal' version of her, so to speak. Wether or not she will reach that depends on the effort she is willing to put in, and her confidence that she can get there. (and of course, wether or not she wants to get there)
There also seems to be jokes about her being fat too even though she doesn’t look overweight.
@HereIAm247 didn’t Stewie say she was still considered ugly in that universe though?
Something that I find kind of funny is how they constantly make fun of Meg's looks, when she's literally a perfect combo of both her parents, and Chris and Stewie exist lol.
@@nuggets4075 You're right lmao.
irony
Stewie has the head of a football so why is meg getting bullied
@@doubleseaweeddeluxe3208 because Louis thinks Stewie looks "defined" with his head
You are seriously gonna try making sense into a show about a horrible Family with Dark Comedy? Where Even Stewie a literal baby isn't spared
Damn, it’s unsettling to hear the reason why Meg was written the way she was. He should have just kept that to himself.
honestly, like that reasoning says a lot about them and it's scary that some men mistreat women just because they can't relate. It's the same reason why many grown men hated turning red, simply bc they couldn't relate to the main character.
Yeah like he has Meg going through all this because he's a grown man who feels like he can't relate to a teenage girl? That actually creeps me out a bit 😶
But not at all surprising, sadly.
This is usually the men in male dominating industry.
@@artmoryoo what? first of all women hate a lot of things made for men because they also can't relate. If you can only make a specific gender relate you are the one responsible not the public. By doing this comment with so much projection you are also proving that you cannot relate at all with men. Because if you looked at this logically you would see how her mother was writtern as the boss of the house. If they didn't relate to female characters at all how would they write a mom? Adult women also don't relate to teenage boys at all. I don't see any media being written to teenage boys made by adult women.
I'll never understand why this show is so desperate to call Meg ugly. she looks like a chubby brown haired Lois with glasses, by the shows own standards she's definitely not ugly
And she's not even all that chubby, just thick around the middle.
I think they imply she's "ugly" because she's not skinny like Lois is. I agree though, she doesn't look ugly at all, just Lois with brown hair and an average body.
@@PhoenixRising87 i thought it was just a baggy shirt
@@decadentgamer3108 Then there’s Peter lol. Also, while in some ways someone could interpret her character as making fun of misogyny (maybe because obviously Meg looks better than Peter and Chris- who knows), it’s interesting that I don’t see many significantly complex female characters from him in any of his writing.
And I believe he has openly admitted that he struggles to write female characters, which really explains his writing style to me ngl. To me it seems he is mostly female avoidant when creating characters (he mostly makes male characters), and on other occasions uses a female character to address stereotypical femininity/misogyny/feminism, which means using a female character when “female” is what’s being addressed (and relying on “male” as the default for all other issues and traits).
@@---pu7ke Oh I absolutely think during the Meg abuse arc, it was a display of misogyny. I'm aware of the excuse he made about how he and his team who were all males didn't know how to write a teenage female character but instead of doing the sensiible thing by hiring on a female write to help, they just put every hateful thing they could towards Meg where it as practically hate for her just existing. I mean name a male character in the show who got just as, if not more hate and violence targeted at him compared to Meg. You can't lol.
And keep in mind, I don't hate Family Guy, I have fondness for it, it was a part of my childhood and I still watch it today even if the newer episodes are bland and going the way of the Simpsons IMO. But I think it's fine to point out things in he show.
So basically the writing staff was like “we couldn’t abuse real women so we created Meg”
Basically.
doubt it
I heard that because the original voice actor was leaving because the series will never get big and other stuff they threaten the new meg with the new VA like shit … this also makes sense since in the early seasons meg was just a family member
Or ‘we don’t know how women work so we’ll abuse and make fun of her’.
Yeah, simple. That´s what happens when you have all men
Apparently Mila Kunis has had issues with people saying "Shut up Meg" even when she's not recording. You really just want to give both girls a damn hug!
I often wondered how Mila put up with that shit
I honestly don't care about the matter but if I had to choose I would rather them continue that since it was funny, which is the point in the entire tv show, comedy.
abuse isn't funny and i wish people who thought it was would get some serious help. you have a problem.
@@CMStrawbridge Mila loves that you know
@@daniapfel2825 No, she doesn't. She's just obligated to play along or ruin the brand 🙄
I love the writers straight admit “we don’t understand women at ALL so we just do what we normally do when we don’t get something, just absolutely humiliate and ridicule it 🙂”
I think they were making up excuses. You don't have to make everyone bully the one you can't relate to. I think the writers rly just thought she was ugly do to not being as conventionally attractive. I mean her dad & brother are much MUCH bigger yet the have the balls to bully her for being "fat"
That actually sums up this show's entire sense of humor.
@@no1name2274 I thought that had different writers
@@no1name2274 they literally wrote the Louis, which represents a mom. How are this people so blind and bias.
@@no1name2274 ok but they literally said it themselves
I knew a girl named Megan who actually introduced herself to me under a different name, and had introduced herself to someone else under a different name, because she hated the idea of being a Meg so much, strictly due to Meg from Family Guy, it was like being named Karen to her.
didn't she know that meg is short for Megatron not Megan
Lol as someone also named Megan, I relate
That’s crazy because I know a Megan at work and she’s the nicest woman in the office
I have a classmate name Megan she was one of the prettiest in our class... Social person and yep a good person
Just remind her that Megan from Drake and Josh exists.
Everybody hating Meg is kinda like when Homer would strangle Bart on The Simpsons. The joke was that it was needlessly cruel and abrupt. The problem is that Meg's whole character seemed to revolve around her being ugly and unlovable with no other comedic angle.
Then who will be the new punching bag
@SanrioBabii And Bart is a little demon. And after it all it Bart and Homer have their genuine moments.
I think it was supposed to show how scummy people can be to rogue girls.
With a subtle nod and wink of
"Hold on Ladies-it gets better."
Except since it was a cartoon Meg never aged up and out.
So "Hold on Ladies!"
Turned into
"There's NO hope!"
A very, very dangerous message.
@@bigkirbyhj666 Yeah but here's the thing sometimes yes Bart deserves to be strangled but other times I feel as if Homer strangles Him for Really petty reasons such as when Bart is spittin facts!
@@orlandolee4438 and then getting into the fact it is cartoonishly comedic with how its done aswell. With meg it's just everyday bullying
It still pisses me off that they say she’s “ugly”, but she looks just like Lois, just with brown hair.
Also there’s quite a few jokes about her being fat even though she doesn’t look overweight, especially compared to other characters in the show.
@@HiBuddyyyyyy i think meg is the show's eldritch horror whatever they're looking at when they see meg confuses and destroys their minds
a couple people in an episode setting themselves on fire when they saw meg
i mean that's what they're trying to put forth in the show
Her body looks nothing like Lois though
The fact the writers said “they can’t relate to a teenage girl” shows how and why the show has been so incredibly unfunny and unoriginal. I mean seriously, a great writer knows how to write for any type of character.
Damn u swear females funny 😐
@@kzraps3237 Straight up motherless behavior bro💀
What the heck is this reply section?
@@kzraps3237 your entire personality is hating women, get a job.💀
@@redpanda6497 ikr like- 👁️👄👁️
Honestly, the "jokes" around Meg really shows off the misogyny in Family Guy. They seriously couldn't write a teen girl so they write her as the punching bag instead of getting feedback or something? Worst excuse ever.
i agree, but the majority of the shows producers are grown men. and what advice are they gonna receive without seeming creepy?
Good thing Family Guy doesn't stereotype literally every other group of people and use other characters as punching bags. Peter, for example, is portrayed as such a smart, caring man and Chris is shown to be incredibly popular and not just a living fat joke. Oh and Stewie, wow, such a masculine character for being a baby and definitely not just a vehicle for gay jokes.
The entire show is based on this type of humour, why complain about it now?
Still better than South Park
@@ti-fiter helllllllllllll no
@@Moneytalkfs literally everything is better than South Park.Most overrated/underhated show ever made. Seeing someone trash South Park is better than the feeling of busting a nut
I'll always love Meg. Though mistreated, she's shown she doesn't need her family to define her and has carried on a life of her own. Heck, id be happy to help her one-up her parents; just to show she can be happy without them!
Mag? Dude you’ve got to be kidding me it’s MEG
Haha MAG
God, these replies need to relax. It was a typo.
Meg
“Shut up, Lowell”
Edit: Meg is one of my favorites too. I’d love to see a spin off of her in college.
The fact that a bunch of men were like "we can't relate to a female teen, so we are going to abu$e the crap out of her for laughs" says a lot about them and the mentality of adult men as a whole.
@@no1name2274 There are now, yes, but like she said in the video, at the point that Meg started to become the abu$ed and hated member in the family, there were only male writers. Once they started bringing in female writers, Meg's character started to become better, which wasn't until MUCH later on in the seasons. Meg's character also wasn't originally horribly treated in the first season because they had female writers.
So, my statement still stands: men couldn't relate to the character's age and gender, so they turned her into the literally punching bag, showing a lot about the mentality of the men involved and how men think of women in general.
@@no1name2274 Did you watch the video? Go to time stamp 6:00
meg deserves everything
Even as a kid, I felt bad for Meg. Her treatment just felt so predatory and disturbing.
It's a fucking tv show dude, I can already tell from your purple hair your a feminist, also are you really censoring abuse? It's a fucking word, grow up, and your also gonna attack the mentality of adult men because of a tv show? It also doesn't say a lot about them, it's a tv show, there's a difference between real life and an animated tv show. Here's a solution, shut up and stop watching the show, instead of attacking male mentality over apart of a tv show, although it's all you people do, attack men for nothing.
funny how they said they couldn't relate with a teenage girl but they wrote Herbert's character perfectly
That's another issue, the romanticized pedophile.
Kinda weird man, something ain't right
Funny you should mention that; might be related to how comfortably they write about the fuckability or lack thereof of a teenager...
Wait a damn minute 💀
Yeah, what's easier to relate to, a teen girl or an 80 year old child predator
The hurricane episode was really cool and sad at the same time. It was incredible to see the whole family crumbling, the second Meg stood up for herself.
It took her 10 minutes to paint a mental portrait of her relatives and point out everything wrong with them, I was watching the episode like "OMG finally, I've been thinking that for years".
And then you realize that she's a scape goat for everyone's flaws and she accepts it.
She's the only one in the family who's both smart and selfless. I really like her.
That episode make me want to break my TV set.
Brian is more smart and selfless than her tbh
@@null9932 Brian had multiple episodes showing that all he cares about is booze, stupid/young/hot women, and himself.
The worse/funniest part about him being that he pretends to care and believes it himself.
There are many episodes where he tries to be the good guy and changes his mind because it's too much work.
He's one of my favourite characters and he has some selfless moments but he's very self centered.
@@katesay1559 Yeah, so he's just smarter
@@null9932 Brian is a deadbeat father who only called his son Dylan when he found he was a disney star tried to use that to further his failed writing career.
The fact that the Meg hate from the writers stemmed from the fact that they were all male, and couldn’t relate to her. boggles my freaking mind.
You know what they could’ve done with her character at that point?
Drop the stereotypical teen girl drama.
Make her the clever one of the group.
In fact show her as the person that always seems to know what to do to fix the mess the rest of the family causes.
You could even throw in a few moments in which she does something to ensure the status quo returns.
You could even have that as part of her character, Where she tries to keep the family the same as much as possible because it makes it easier for her to figure out the stuff they’ll get into and moreover what to do to fix it.
Have her be the successful member of the family.
That she’s the reason the family has the money for all the crazy shit they get into.
If you don’t know how to write teen girl drama storylines, then don’t write teen girl drama storylines. But also then don’t turn around and take out your aggression at being unable to do that on the character they would normally be for.
If you cant do a teen girl storyline. Just dont create the teen girl. Or make her different maje her one if the smart ones, and explain that certain griffins are born smart like stewie
@@partyelixir1265 exactly, The being born smart like Stewie thing was actually the thought I had with Meg too.
Easy to say when you're NOT writing a show
@@sharkawakaorb9220
Wtf does this even mean? If OP was writing the show this is something OP WOULD DO. This is the point of their comment- it's a suggestion to aproblem the writers of the show couldn't solve.
@@bobtheball5384 You can't understand one sentence? Also who the fuck is OP?
I knew I wasn’t crazy. Seth always tried to say “iT’s JuSt a CaRtOoN” but now knowing the writing staff was all male makes so much sense. The abuse of fictional women isn’t ok either, Seth. Meg’s character is so much better now. The punching bad trope was just infuriating and not funny.
I always feel that this show was obviously all male staff and then i got this video and read that they could not relate to a teen SO they Made her a punching bag.... Is actually scary
@@TheArtOfMind you can watch a show and not like every aspect of it. woah! crazy, right?!!!
yeah i always found it weird💀💀
@@TheArtOfMind you definitely are someone who thinks a gender is more superior then the other
omfg it is litersly just a cartoon
My name is Megan and in middle school, people hated me simply because my name was similar to Meg. I was bullied because of a cartoon character. It was the stupidest thing ever. Kids are cruel about the weirdest things
I feel sorry for you. I hope you can stand up for yourself. Stay strong for us ( ˘ ³˘)♥
That's absolutely awful! Hope you get treated better in the future, because that's a really stupid reason to tease someone.
@@ferretqueen2908 I have a wonderful group of friends now! We only tease when everyone is okay with it and check in on each other. It's really nice. Being an adult really matures you. I hope the people from middle school grew out of it, but I don't know them anymore
All I want to do is give Meg a hug. Girl has been through hell because her family has treated her like crap. But I'm glad she's learned to stand up for herself and she has accomplished great things in life. Plus not many can say I've dodged the FBI and I was only a teenager. Hopefully one day she'll get her own spin-off like Cleveland did.
i think the funny and sad thing about the recent change in Meg is that it probably isnt Meg because as i recall, Meg was replaced with a Russian agent. Peter gets a pass because he makes or has clones of himself constantly as well as supernatural powers but Meg gets straight iced and a double trained to be exactly like her takes her place
@@_Sage967_ true Meg got orphaned black. Still can't believe nobody has found the corpse yet. Peter is redeeming himself after Meg saved him from her aunt. But he's got a long way to go to earn meg's forgiveness. Lois needs a ass kicking and so does Chris. Stewie has had some good moments with Meg so there's a chance for him.
I would love a Meg spin off. Hell, a movie. Just one without the rest of the family.
@@saelcaha2102 you and me both buddy.
@@saelcaha2102 What would she do though?
She for me is the most likely to have a spinoff cause she's probably the most complex characters
If Adam West was still alive, he'd be my number one choice for a spin-off.
@@MaxiemumKarnage TRUE TURE
A Meg spinoff would be awsome even as a single series.shes become pretty dark and jaded through the years and could quite easily be a serial killer in her free time.
@@agoldfishwithinternet2382 it would probably have a daria vibe
@@agoldfishwithinternet2382 she does eventually become a serial killer that wears a wedding dress in one of those "into the future" kinds of opisodes
I was seriously traumatized as a child because I watched my dad watch an episode where Meg attempted suicide and her dad continued to bully her. As a tween I looked exactly like Meg and I was also (secretly) suicidal at the time, so I was horrified to see my own father laugh at it. I even asked him "why are you laughing" and he just said "because its a joke". He never actually laid a hand in me but I was suddenly afraid. So I never told my family about my suicide attempt/ideation from the 3rd grade until I was in college.
And if you don't mind me asking, how did they react
I am so sorry you went through that and I really hope you're in a better place. Life is hard enough without "jokes" like that existing and seeing loved ones laugh at it can be so damaging when you're already struggling. The fear of having someone judge and mock you for something you can't help is nothing to laugh at.
I still remember that one scene where it jokes about Meg self harming and makes fun of it
@@garakstailorshop They didn't really comprehend it at first. It came up when when my dad revealed he had done couples counseling with my mom for being abusive towards him before having kids, which made me shocked and upset to hear because I just assumed he didn't know about my mom's emotionally abusive behaviors to us (the kids). He had never defended us and I called him out for it snd he was like "defended you from what? She didn't hurt you" And so I confessed about my attempt. My brother corroborated because while he didn't know exactly what I did, he knocked on the bathroom door which stopped me. Eventually both parents apologized. I'm actually in a better relationship with my mom than my dad because my mom really changed her behavior and helped me get therapy, while dad doesn't like anything to do with "big emotions" at all.
That's horrific. I hope your okay now and don't have any suicidal thoughts
Theres nothing wrong with a character constantly being the butt of a joke. But in megs case, it felt really icky, like a group of men were just targeting all their misogyny and frustrations towards women into meg. Im glad that theyre not doing that anymore with meg
Sorta. I think it’s a mix of all the insults being mostly misogynistic insults and the fact that they did it so often. I agree character’s being butt of the joke can be good but they aren’t always even when they are it’s for a reason and builds the character. All Meg gets is “your fat” “there right I’m fat *cry*” it’s never to show how she feels about it or even a joke about say.. her being a nerd about things. They do some other jokes but not enough to really even mention. Well until recently now she’s better
It’s the sick jokes not misogyny ok it’s the SICK JOKES !!!!!!!!!
@@frendlycriptid6168 It’s the sick jokes not mysogyny ok it’s the SICK JOKES !!!!!!
@@daniapfel2825 It literally is in Meg's case though. A lot of the insults directed at her are misogynistic in the context they're used and they turned her into a punching bag for the same reason a ton of grown ass men hated on Turning Red before it was even released
It's not JUST misogyny but that definitely plays a part in it
@@user-ye6fp7kl1o Mysogyny that means a person who hates the womans and all the womans of Family Guy are not treated like shit and this writers are not mysogyns they are just idiots and they not insulted Alex Borstein when she became a writer and Meg was never percecuted at the season 1 it’s true and she tarded ignored sometimes it’s because Lacey Chabet said that this show is a trash so Family Guy was again good and Seth is not mysogyn OK !! He collaborated with the girls like Ariana Grande, Barbara Streisand it’s so stupid of think that Seth is mysognyn already he is frienf with his sister Rachel and Mila Kunis and Mila loved voiced her character it’s true and don’t me the opposite Ok ! This writers are just idiots not mysogyny or else they insulted all the voice actress so it’s totally not the case and the title of video of Lydua wrote the cruals jokes that Meg got Ok !!!!!!! IT’S TRUE WHAT I SAID AND DON’T ME INTO QUESTION WHAT I SAID OK !!!! AND I’M A GIRL AND I’M NOT STUPID !!!!!!!
a part of not finding the abuse funny is the fact I see myself in her, seeing the self hatred and strange mannerisms and being thought as ugly, even though I haven't got any proof anyone else sees me as ugly, every time I see her face any negative treatment it scares me that I could be treated that same way by people that I love and trust.
chris and peter are objectively uglier yet they dont get a tenth of hate meg does on their appearance, she looks fine
@@AlliandoX exactly, thank you
Exactly... seeing what meg goes through gives this sense of trap-ness that i can relate to. first started with her school, her family, and then the whole universe being against you for no reason even how hard you try it's like being trapped in hell so imagine the hatred she bears... That is the reason why the current writing of her character was never funny to me in the slightest.
L
I used to be a short chubby girl with glasses, and I find _Family Guy_ so upsetting.
How many know they use her as a joke but in all honesty She's definitely doing her own thing The family could be mortal danger and she just doesn't care I like how they show that a Little payback goes a long way
They really, REALLY wanted us to hate Meg. Like, it’s one thing for the hatred and abuse to take place within the universe but when they broke the fourth wall they still wouldn’t let up.
In one episode in the very beginning, Peter said “That’s right everybody, it’s gonna be a Meg episode. There’s the remote, you can go ahead and change the channel if you want. Wouldn’t even blame ya.“
It doesn't seem like the writers wanted us to hate Meg per se. It was more like the writers wanted us to laugh at her undeserved abuse.
lol that was a good one!
So let me get this straight all mail writers made a female teenager to literally get abused and mistreated for multiple seasons straight. That’s real fun thanks that makes me as a female teenager feel just great. 🙃
i love being a teenage girl. getting made fun of for literally everything we do is sooo amazing, right?
@@no1name2274 lil Timmy what you doing here? Gawd dayum 💀💀💀
@@no1name2274 jokes on you, I already have
they also made a baby and a dog abuse each other and peter being abused by his wife. If you wanna complain at least dont be bias.
@@ihavelemonade5640 because boys are not made fun of by women for being dumb, smell like trash, being ugly and akward, etc.... Yes sure.
I've always felt so bad for Meg.
Me too
Same, i never wanted to go off on her “fam” so bad
Always , always, always felt so bad for her not only her mom made out with her boyfriend
@@kay2608 ikr like-HOE-
Me too
Meg has always been my favorite, her getting mistreated not only in her own school but at her own home infuriated me. She literally didn’t deserve all of that abuse. Meg standing up for herself, I really loved it.
The jokes were never funny and will never be.
Haha, Meg got spit on
Mine Too. She Is anot That Ugly like Eberybody Say She is. She Loiks Like Lois and Lois Is Beautiful and Hot
I’m glad Meg’s abuse is finally getting dulled down- from being a literal punching back, to kinda just having bad luck. I think the funniest recent events was listening to a weird ass podcasts while Peter and his friends cried for help being trapped in the attic.
Meg is one of the best characters and I love the plot line of her committing murders in a wedding dress
Omg! Me too and adds the cherry on top that Peter knows 😂
Sometimes i wonder why Meg even puts up with the rest of the Griffin family anymore, because if i remember correctly she turned 18 in one episode and therefore she's old enough to be on her own, so i'm surprised that she hasn't moved out so she wouldn't have to deal with the Griffin's abusing her anymore.
if she wasn't their punching bag the family falls apart so she decides to be the punching bag just to keep such stupid family together
She'd gone to college but Peter still managed to ruin her life. Plus, she had a personality trait that made her dangerous and Lois herself told Chris they needed to pay attention to her.
Yea, because being 18 suddenly grants you the magic ability to be successful and independent .
@@blackguyofthesouth2161 Definitely not successful, but you can legally leave and be independent.
@@samitrahill5723 What he means is that you don't have the resources to be independent by that age.
I always got the impression the Meg jokes were so cruel partly because her actress is the famously beautiful and successful Mila Kunis. Being played by someone so glamorous added an irony to Meg being unattractive and unsuccessful, though I agree it got too cruel.
It’s interesting Seth Macfarlane would even admit they could justify the abuse of a young female character because they “just couldn’t relate to her”. Wouldn’t want to be someone they “couldn’t relate to” in real life!
Meg is easily one of the most complex characters in the show. I absolutely love her and her unhinged personality
I do like the modern jokes about her and about how she's incredibly skilled and competent and intelligent and how the people around her are idiots for not recognizing that
Multiple have said this before and im also repeating it, the abuse of Meg was never funny. Probably a bunch of men thought it was super hilarious. The writers couldn’t relate to a young woman so they decided the only thing to do was abuse the character? Did no one actually realize how bad that sounds? Sure it’s a funny edgy show with just as edgy jokes, but there is a line where you just takes things a bit too far. People are supposed to actually find it funny. What was so funny about it? I never understood it. Low-key says a lot about the writers if they can’t come up with good edgy jokes that doesn’t always end it “abuse the woman/young woman”. Yikes.
Yeah I honestly really enjoy some edgy jokes, but they are hard to do well.
For example, I like Squidbillies, which has a similar dynamic with the main father character being abusive to his son. I think the jokes work better there because the main character is much more obviously shown to be a bad person in the show. You are supposed to be on his son's side, not his. Also, the son gets along with other characters, so he isn't completely defined by negativity.
Meanwhile, basically everyone in the show bullied Meg for seasons. So, she was only ever allowed to be a punching bag, and the audience is supposed to side with the bullies. Sure it's edgy, but it's boring.
Punch up, not down.
The way the men said they "can't relate" and instead just made her an increasingly abused character is actually pretty scary and kinda reflects the abuse put upon women in modern society. Do men just "not relate" so instead they torture them? That's pretty scary.
Yes absolutely right that's one reason why I'm not a big fan of Family Guy because the constant abuse is Meg. Isn't funny. Even Homer Simpson as disagreeable as he can be at times. You get the impression he does love his kids.
Homer used to choke out Bart when he would misbehave, but even that has been long retired.
@@KariIzumi1 yeah actually I noticed that! And Seth wonders why his show never received an award
@@nicoleb695 The Simpsons are a national institution at this point but the show wasn't just all edge at the time. There was real heart to it, like the time where Homer in his attempt to get money for Christmas presents places a bet on Santa's Little Helper...who loses, but they adopt him after his owner tosses him out on the street. Or that often memed episode where Homer returns to the nuclear factory job he hated in order to take care of Maggie and uses all her photos to decorate his office.
There's just none of that from Family Guy.
There is plenty of times meg was loved not only with Brian but when Peter and Meg went on college your and besides Homer actually chokes his kid 🤣
@@ti-fiter naw, I don't come to adult animation for morality but if you're gonna be all edge all the time,you better be damn funny about it, and Seth MacFarlane definitely is no Matt Stone/Trey Parker.
I agree that the Meg abuse is no longer that funny (for me it stopped when she gave Peter advice on cutting himself), but the way she loses her glasses and hat in Peter ass a result of Peter twerking on her face will never stop being hilarious.
Nah cuz that episode really made me open my eyes, like, it was funny for her to be mistreated because she was just a cartoon character but when she gave that piece of advice I was sitting there like "wow she really has problems" and it made me really think, of that makes sense
i do agree but it the end of the day meg will never by better than peter, stewie and brian i wish people would stop acting like she is. Just cause she gets mistreated doesn’t mean she's the best and most complex characters its a cartoon show the best characters will always be the funniest
@@Grigio-KenCarsonsVer. I the problem is because Meg was abused on screen so many times people now consider it her one defining character trait and hope that if they end it then we could see her get development.
@@kwayneboy1524 yeah i guess but thats such a horrible reason to like a character especially in a cartoon show megs just like the less funny version of bart both get abused by there dad but ones funny in a show thats supposed to be funny (bart) and the other has no entertainment value in a tv show thats supposed to be funny
@@Grigio-KenCarsonsVer. I suppose in the case of Bart he did a negative action that resulted in his father strangling him(like shaving his sister's head) but for Meg it comes out of random and can get sorta creepy even make other characters look bad.
Meg's abuse really turned me off from Family Guy. It just became really uncomfortable. Her lousy futures, her constant put downs and mistreatement, are the reasons why fanfics are sometimes better than the actual show
I feel like Meg gets treated badly because half the writers are former simps who are still pissed at girls they knew in high school who wouldn't sleep with them, so they take it out on a fictional girl. A lot of the harsh treatment seems too nasty and vindictive to be entirely for laughs.
So they project their hatred for women by figuratively beating and breaking down a female character because of trauma that they never recovered from? I triple hate Family Guy now with this knowledge.
@@summerrose8110 you act like it's a fact. The person just said that he/she had the feeling of it
Meg is my favorite character and also why I stopped watching Family Guy, because it taught me that being anything like myself would mean I would be the butt of the joke for my whole life.
Unless you can beat anyone In a fight, then you can be yourself
@@frankchan8203 Nice advice.
I like the way their portraying meg in the modern seasons 18-20 she's not bullied as much and she stands her ground more and is a fun loose cannon like a wild girl
What I find messed up is the fact they couldn’t ask any of the female writers on the show about being a teenage girl or even Mila Kunis since she was a teenager too 🤷🏾♀️ nd I was getting tired of seeing Meg being the punching bag of their jokes and glad that she’s doin her even the episode when they thought she died and somehow the only only person who actually cared about Meg was Lois go figure
Mila Kunis was literally a teenager when she first started doing the voice of Meg. These writers have no excuse (unless my theory is right and they're a bunch of bitter former high school simps who are still mad at the cheerleaders who wouldn't fuck them, so they use Meg to vent their frustrations).
I know some people are going to disagree, but I kind of feel like this is an accurate portrayal of how society treats women that they don’t find attractive. It’s funny because the goal was to just have her as the butt of the joke, but they unknowingly just made a character with abusive parents.
I know a lot of girls with parents that like to bully them and then try to pass it off as harmless actions, they get called dramatic. This is literally something that happens in real life. It’s the most accurate thing and it’s honestly scary how the writers did this without knowing what they were actually doing. Making abusive parents.
No. Its not funny nor relatable to anyone with common sense. Anyone with common sense need to use their brain tho
Poor Meg, I really feel sorry for her, she took the most abuse and humiliation than anyone else on that show and yet the family is shocked and surprised when she finally snaps and decides to stand up for herself even if she has to use violence to do it!!
I wish she'd punch Peter in the balls, like Butters!
That's really telling that a bunch of grown men couldn't relate to or write a teen girl so they resorted to just plain abuse.
What’s amazing about the whole “writers didn’t know how to write a teenage girl” dilemma is that there were so many ways around this that didn’t include making the teenage girl character a punching bag for no reason. Here are a few much better directions they could’ve taken:
- Turn Meg into a little girl instead of a teenager. It’s much easier to write a stereotypical kid instead of a teenager who will express more complex problems in the show. They already have Chris to fulfil the angsty teenager role anyway, making Meg 9 years old would’ve created a balance between her, Chris and Stewie anyway and would’ve created so much potential for the three of them since they’re all in different age ranges.
- get actual input from teenage girls or adult women who were once teenagers too on what their adolescence was like. It’s what real writers do when they can’t relate to a character’s experience. That’s what makes a talented writer, the ability to empathise and learn about other people’s situations on a personal level to the point where you can write through their lens. This just shows how lazy and incompetent the writing of family guy was from day 1.
- turn Meg into a stereotype of teenage girls like the writers did for the rest of the characters. They have the ability to get away with not doing that much research since they’re making a parody of the average American family. Stewie doesn’t act like a real baby, real babies don’t talk or try to kill their parents. Honestly, turning Meg into an “overdramatic” teenage girl who freaks out at the smallest things or a dumb cheerleader would’ve fit in with the rest of the family because the characters of family guy are not supposed to be realistic.
Honestly, so many options. And the only thing the writers could think of was to take the laziest, most unoriginal idea imaginable and are now confused on why fans are starting to get annoyed with it.
Don’t forget the moment where she’s secretly an X-man and goes fast/ slows time, just to get her family hurt, except Chris lol it’s very cathartic
It’s not a cutaway, either, so I like to imagine it’s canon lol
Well they ARE owned by Disney...
Which episode was þis? Þat sounds like someþing I’d like to see!
I mean, Chris is not that bad to her lol
@@claypigeon7063 season 19 episode 10
I love Meg, I wish they'd make more Meg episodes. I do agree that the whole bullying Meg thing is kinda old. It would be great if they started to include her character a little more, it's entirely possible given the fact that there is still soooooo much room for development for her character after all these years. She'll always be my favorite, and I would LOVE a Meg spin off.
Me too
Family Bag
That spin off would go the same way clevelands spin off went, it would just be a lesser family guy, like the cleveland show.
Throw in Corey's World in the mix, and I'd watch it!
if i was a teenage daughter of one of those writers, i'd have psychological issues for the rest of my life
Meg is just so relatable. I'm not close to my family. Some are toxic & I have distanced myself from them. I was bullied as a child. I would laugh bc it was like laughing about myself. But when the bullying with Meg got out of control, I stopped watching FG. I loved when she stood up to her awful family & bullies.
This is probably the most unique Family Guy related content on RUclips. That's very hard to accomplish.
Great work, as always!
Thanks so much! I'm so glad people are interested in actually hearing me talking Family Guy haha.
@@LydiaLovesTimelines I bet within a few months, you're going to have millions of people listening to what you have to say!
I think it would be funnier if Peter was more overly protective of Meg. Because usually Father's are like that so it felt unrealistic when he would Bully Meg
i think it would be good for the show since it would give peter some redeeming qualities, like he can be dumb and mean but protective of his family
Lol I can def see it. It’d be like a running gag where every time Meg gets asked out by a boy, Peter always does the most ridiculous and extreme stuff possible to stop it, which always annoys Meg.
@@user-cx6lq8mt5g they kinda do that already with American dad tho, and the overprotective father trope has been done to death in entertainment as a whole IMO.
funny enough there's an episode where meg turns 18 and is groomed by quagmire and it's the only episode where peter chooses to be a decent protective father.
@@Gol_D_Garza it would at least be better than them beating her up 😭 or they could at least be like only we get to mess w her
Meg is so inspiring, she is objectively hideous in the shows universe and everyone hates her but she just finds the strength to keep going and trying to better herself.
I feel sorry for Megatron Griffin. She lives in a household in wich she isn't wanted, she never seems to get a boyfreind and everyone acts like idiots around her.
You know everyone in the show always call s her ugly but honestly, I always found her kind of cute
Honestly.. same I really like her design. I also feel like I have some part of her personality. No wonder she's my favourite character!
I mean look at peter and brian they're so much uglier
And everyone calls her ugly when she's literally a copy of her mother, which is presumably the hottest woman in quahog...
I can see a MegxDaria crossover where they realize they’re in a sitcom time loop that doesn’t let them grow older and outlive their families and home towns 😂
There’s that episode where Meg finally stands up for herself and tells everyone in her family how much they suck (and Brian goes on a mushroom high). But then she takes it all back because she can’t stand the sight of everyone screaming at each other. It goes to show you how Seth McFarlane and crew are too lazy and untalented to ever deviate from the status quo.
that ONE episode where she finally stood up for herself & put everyone in their place was incredible.
then brain gaslit her into thinking she has to be the punching bag.
Honestly, i always liked megatron to a certain extend. I mean she was the families punching back, but like you said she finally was fed up enough to lash out against them. But i remember one early Episode where Peter said that he still Sees her as his daughter/ loves her
I relate to meg. So I always liked her. She's done some really uncomfortable stuff which made me wanna turn away from her but I get why she is the way she is. She's more complex then they ment to make her.
This was the most in-depth analysis of next character I've ever seen on youtube! I'm glad Meg's family is finally kinda showing her some love, even though they have a long way to go. You both did a great job, subscribed to you both. ❤
Thanks Kelly
I love meg
Basically the quiet kid stereotype
Loved the episode where a side story is where she did something we would never find out about and she couldn’t be left alone
I like how she became more demented and crazy and especially rage-filled. At least it gave her something interesting and she started actually being added to the story. You can really tell the early seasons were mostly written by men, since I think around the beginning of the show it was really common culture to dogpile and hate on anything that had a fanbase largely consisting of teenage girls. As a teen girl at that time...couldn't help but pick up on the misogyny though I was a fan of the show.
My brothers always called me meg and picked on me so much growing up.
I'm 27 now and they STILL do on occasion but it doesn't sting like it used to seeing how her character has progressed. I'd love to see them expand on that rather than keeping her as the family's lightning rod.
It's entirely ridiculous that instead of hiring a female writer, they just pushed Meg into the background because they "didn't understand her"
There are times Peter actually shows love towards meg, especially in the 1st couple seasons. There's other times such as when Quagmire tried to sleep with her or when she thinks she's pregnant and he defends her, but otherwise the abuse towards her has just gotten repetitive and unfunny.
I do like how now, she just doesn't GAF, but I feel it's also her way of coping. She knows they don't care about her, so why should she care in general? Granted she's a cartoon character and how she's portrayed is whatever Seth writes her doing, but if she were a real person that's how I'd see it.
Meg is my favorite character from the show. I'm like 90% sure her abuse made her the way she is
The writers couldn't relate to a female character, so they abused her relentlessly. Uh ... What is wrong with them?
The moment I started to genuinely feel for Meg was the episode when she realized her misery kept the family together & happy that shit hit me like a freight train .. cuz legit that's how it was for me for the longest damn time with my family 😓
Yeah is called being the scapegoat and is not funny
One of my favorite episodes that is super dark is when Meg almost dies by drowning and Peter saves her and actually acts like a father.
Always loved Meg. If she transformed into a messed up character it's because all the other characters messed her up.
I think Meg slowly became one of my favorite characters as well it would be cool if they made a meg and Chris dynamic similar to Stewie and Brian!
Meg/Chris >>> Brian/Stewie imo
The fact that an all male writing room couldn’t empathize with a female character and decided to abuse her instead is so telling.
Exactly! The least they could’ve done was make Meg into a rotten character so it would at least feel somewhat deserved. But no, they wanted to showcase abuse of an innocent teen girl as “funny”. Just another case of lazy writing.
"OmG AlL MeN ArE So BAd AnD AlL WoMan ArE GooD aNd ThEy hAve to bE sExiSt bEcauSe mEg iS a GiRL"
@Heavy-purple-Mixx your the only saying that. Nobody else is saying all men
@@The_g_string_lover but op literally is implying that, it does not have to be directly said.
Meg beating up Peter and the popular kids after her time in prison is Meg’s best moment in the entire show.
I remember when I watched the show as a kid, I liked Meg solely out of spite from how much abuse they put her through.
And why seth didnt killed off meg when he had some very chances
Meg deserves better! Thanks for showing her some love Lydia and Tariq.
Years ago I thought Meg actually could be a good spinoff, sending her off to college you could roommate her with Connie and have a bit of a Blair & Jo Frenemyship as they deal with more young adult problems and flesh out an interesting cast of students, teachers and other trademark Family Guy weirdos
Just calm down on the abuse and grossness of the character and have her adopt more of a Daria type position on her show.
It’s not like they don’t overhaul Cleveland for his Show
Love this idea!
And Meg would occasionally try to hit on Connie like that episode where they take down Chris lol
@@korykent5645 yeah nothing wrong with those jokes I mean they are in college, it would be a funny dynamic. I still see the potential if they wanted to do it.
The writers who were predominantly male had trouble relating to Meg which only lead to more abuse for Meg what does that say about the creator’s 😒😒😒
Imagine an episode where Meg murders people (maybe some school bullies or something) and Joe has to slowly piece together the evidence that it was her in a thriller style thing and maybe meg burns down his house after she finds out he knows her secrets.
Meg and Stewie are the only members of the Griffin family still likable at all. Megs done some dark stuff,sure, but given her abuse it’s hardly surprising.
Wish you covered a bit more about her relationship with her brother Chris has also been improved a lot more since they also work in duo stories, but I am glad Meg is getting more love in the series, even if it took this long to get there.
I am so glad that I found this video, as Meg’s character “development” has bugged me for a long time and I’ve wanted someone to do a deep dive exploration of her story, to pinpoint when and why she became the family punching bag for so long. And big props for inviting Toonrific Tariq to offer his take, as I’ve followed his videos for awhile now.
Thanks Eric
It's sad. When "Seahorse Seashell Party" aired, Meg stood up for herself but it started a quick freefall for her, since now she just seems numb to the debasing and seems like she sometimes has psychotic episodes. Granted, those have lessened over time and now she seems to be... I'd say cool, but others would say numb. Whenever adversity pops up she deals with it to get through the 22 minutes of the show.
How would they go back? Back on Peter's rampant idiocy, Lois' violently psychotic state/incredibly narcissistic, Chris seeming to have become a pessimistic douche, Stewie being effeminate and harmless, and Brian becoming a hypocritical douche. And that's with the rest of the cast, too. Joe was a noble handicapped man and now he's waiting to die and taking digs to him every scene he's in. Quagmire went from a classy nymphomaniac to a mean guy that sometimes has sex and is a little depressing. "And Then There Were Fewer" parts 1 and 2, "American Dad!", and "The Cleveland Show" depreciated the involved characters. "The Cleveland Show" torpedoed it's own characters. Cleveland went from being semi-intelligent and practicing restraint to an attempt at a "black" Peter. I wonder if Cleveland Jr. went from being energetic and happy to slightly sociopathic and filling every hole with food.
Then there's "American Dad!". Stan went from a close-minded, Conservative dude to a character I don't expect to act stupid (which I know is a theme of Seth's shows, idiotic fathers). Francine went from dim-witted but combat-capable social butterfly to a dumb but combat capable sociopath. Steve went from idolizing his father to being genuinely creepy and a perv. Haley was a proud liberal who fought for her beliefs to a character that is just lazy. Roger was seemingly all-knowing though weak to desires such as being liked and his appetite to food. He's... shallow, that's all I can describe it as.
Sadly, I think after a while, Seth MacFarlane stops being keenly interested in the stories of his shows and moves on. This is unfortunate because Seth is a good writer and multi-talented voice actor. He should write something for Hulu since it would be free from censors, ect..
It's not uncommon for male comedian's humor to turn cruel and nasty over time.
@@mysteriiis And I feel like it's a bit of sexism, too. I know Chris wasn't really bullied early on, but Meg gets it everywhere she goes (at school, at home) and I think that's why they removed Neil. I think she would have eventually said yes to him and with the changing social climate, he would have been good to her. What was a little funny at first (just because her voice actresses are gorgeous women and seem personable so it was a juxtaposition) just has seemed mean since like... 2010.
That makes me mad these characters never age. Stewie would be 23-24 now, Meg and Chris would have been at college already and be entering into the world of searching for a job (which I think would have been a funny commentary on finding a job). And I think it would have been fun to see Lois and Peter get old. As I liked in the movie, Lois is harmlessly perceptive and Peter would have gone from a genuinely hazardous person to a funny old man who backstepped (just because Lois would have made him out of worry).
I would like if it ended and a new series called "Another Timeline" could have aired. Where Peter is sensible and employable (but jobless, a commentary on how employers want an employer who is smart but dumb) but still "stupid" in the way all sitcom dads are (ignorant of the changing times), Lois has no reasons for psychotic breaks because she has a job to keep her mind trained (a desk job at a school), Meg is entering the job market but nothing good is hiring so she has a job at a dollar store managing (she's worked there for a few years and started mid-way through college), Chris would be married and a stay-at-home dad minding two children mid-way through elementary with visits from Lois and Peter who "help" but are just there to see the grandkids, Stewie would be doing stellar at college but tries repeatedly to approach his sexuality intelligently while a greatly aged Brian offers advice; not wanting his learning to suffer because he was distracted with figuring himself out.
The fact y’all are over analyzing cartoon sitcoms 😂
@@dividebyzero6722 I know this isn't a serious subject but it's thinking critically about characters some have viewed for a long time and time made the characters important.
Quagmire was a predator, regardless of the era
I really wish they would bring back Karen (Peter’s sister) or even Micky (Peter’s bio dad) Lois’ parents are still around but Peter has no extended family to regularly interact with like Carter or Babs.
Plus Karan obviously looks like Peter meaning Micky is probably her dad too. Theres plenty of episode stories that could come out of that.
a widely accepted headcanon is that the Griffins and the McFinnegans are related
@PK Like a character dying and coming back to life has never happened before
Honestly having a sibling/loved one gaining all the attention is like being a background character in your story, as if you're just a placeholder just to get replaced.
Meg is a product of writers having no idea how to make a fleshed out teenage female character. They probably found her character incredibly difficult to write and just restored to making cruel jokes after a while. People won’t read this far so fair waring because it’s a long comment.
Personally, my views on family guy are mixed. On one hand, i still enjoy the cruel and dark jokes. In another, i really wished the show ended a while back. Meg has been through hell throughout the show. Think of the worst thing that’s happen to a person in existence, and that’s Meg. The writers held no punches. They went after her so brutally and viciously with no remorse on sight. I believe they over did it because in between does moments of cruelty, their was heart in one particular episode. It’s called “Seahorse Seashell Party" and i hate it. Not because it’s bad, but because of how much they developed the character of Meg, just to tear it apart.
Meg goes off on the hole family. Her mom, her brother, and her father. She expresses her years of abuse, torture, and torment, from a family that honestly did not love her. In this episode which was taken so serious for most of the time, develops Meg into a very self aware woman who chooses to leave this self destructive family. But just as Meg made her points on all her family, the episode ends with Meg going back on her word, and forgiving a family that cause so much pain into her life. I hate when the show takes itself serious, because it forces the audience to acknowledge that all the horrible actions the people have taken to others, did happen. It wasn’t just a gag, or a cutaway, no, they really did hurt Meg.
“Why show the audience serious episodes full of dark and real writing if their not gonna follow through on that?”
That’s why i always come back to Bojack, because that show does take itself serious and follows through on that.
Meg is my all time favourite character in family guy and yeah the joke with Meg being hated stopped being funny years ago. And I hope later down the years and seasons Meg stops being hated or at least hated less
You just repeated what she said at the beginning of the video
@@FrostyFaz ok aaand 🙄 soz that I agree
@@7geminibay778 it's just that you WERE repeating exactly what she said
@@FrostyFaz question who’s your favourite character out of family guy
@@7geminibay778 None, but if I did it would probably Stewie
I like psycho Meg a ton more than the heavily abused meg
I feel like nobody talks about season 12 episode 19 when Peter and Meg go on a college visit together where they end up bonding and having a great time and they have a sweet talk at the end of the video. It’s one of my favorites when it comes to Peter being a good father to Meg
found you through tariq and i'm happy i did, your stuff is fantastic and your voice/accent are very calming to listen to. 💕 awesome content here, keep doing what you do!
Welcome to the channel! Thank you so much for your sweet comments, it honestly means alot. I have tons more Family Guy videos on the channel, I hope you enjoy :)
Very true. ❤️ We’ve all been or felt like the “Meg” at one point in our life.
Give me an example of how you felt like meg
@@kendallcochran8262 probably felt like you're not cared for??
@@kendallcochran8262 dude why even ask who cares?
I love your videos and honestly, Meg deserves better. They better give her a good ending before the show ends or I'll riot
I think it’s interesting how though it wasn’t their intention Meg shows the effects of long term abuse …she’s a loose cannon and filled with rage after years of repressing her anger to her abuse
I'd be worried about the writers a group of men who write the on going abuse of a teenage girl, these ideas have to come from somewhere
Ideas for an King of the Hill video. Remember that Lisa's Boyfriend video you did? Can you do a similar video on all the of Girlfriends that Bobby Hill has had over the series?