The DOWNFALL of Marriage in Family Guy
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How did Family Guy turn Peter Griffin go form a loving husband and father, to someone who hates his family and wife, Lois Griffin? In this video essay video I look at the decline of their marriage, as well as the other relationships in Quahog like Bonnie and Joe Swanson, voiced by Patrick Warburton.
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FAMILY GUY TOXIC MARRIED PETER GRIFFIN AND LOIS GRIFFIN PLUS JOHN AND BONNIE BOTH TOXIC MARRIED COUPLE,
Cleveland Brown and Donna Tubbs are probably the best married couple in Family Guy in my opinion
Joe has to be one of the greatest downfalls in animated television. He used to be a strong badass cop with a wife who loved him. The fact that he was in a wheelchair didn't stop him at all and it didn't stop the people he loved from loving him any less. Seeing him now, as a depressed man who is always sad and suicidal, with a wife who cheats constantly and wants him dead because he's a burden to her now in the wheel chair is really lame
I also hate that in-universe, all his 'friends' and family constantly belittle and joke about him for being handicapped.
And that used to be the joke. Like it was a subversion of audience expectations because most people assume that a cripple person wouldn't be capable of great physical feats however Joe proved that wrong by being a BadA who did wild over the top action feats. For example, during the end of the world episode when Joe is stuck on the road and a giant rat comes up to him, instead of being scared and crying out for help (something he would have done in modern family guy) Joe straight up challenges the rat to a duel which is equally as funny since it's unexpected with him at a clear disadvantage. So while still funny the joke had a positive point, that we shouldn't underestimate people based on being handicapped. Whereas now the jokes are almost entirely mean-spirited that reinforce very negative stereotypes of handicapped people.
That's not to say dark comedy can't be funny or doesn't have a place in comedies, but when using it its very important that the writer is self-aware of the negative associations of this joke and doesn't actually support them. For example in South Park they use a lot of fat jokes; but those jokes are almost exclusively used against Cartman, a character who is designed to be a terrible human being. Now Cartman isn't the only fat person in South Park yet he's the one almost always on the receiving end of these jokes and that's because the writer has gone through great lengths to show Cartman is a terrible person deserving to be treated like this. The writers know that the other characters, while flawed, shouldn't be insulted like Cartman is, since that's a terrible way to treat people but Cartman deserves to be treated the same way he treats others. So it's both funny and a good morale lesson.
You’re just projecting South Barf’s flaws onto an infinitely superior show. Cartman is a racist scumbag whose treatment by PC principal was karma for his racism. Even his hatred of *Family Guy* is a reflection of his prejudice against every demographic represented by it.
I would have really liked if with Joe they had maybe one or two episodes where it showed that DESPITE his usually gung-ho, "This won't stop me!" attitude he has moments of weakness like everyone else. And has moments where he DOES feel insignificant and depressed. And it'd be nice to have maybe a classic "Misunderstanding" style episode where he THINKS people like Bonnie think he's worthless only to find out it was all a misunderstanding and she DOES deeply love and support him.
I mean hell in the infidelity episode for Joe, he WINS HER BACK with the way they met, and they just TOSSED that out the window right after. Like that was the perfect time to drop the "Marriage sucks and she wishes he was dead" jokes. And of course they just dropped everything of The Cleveland show so we can't even have his and Donna's marriage as a delightful backup. Because even at their worst in their own show, at the end of the day Donna proved that she loved Cleveland, that she married him out of love and not to replace something "lost" or anything like that and that they'd be together forever.
Or that his significantly more emotionally unstable than previous seasons. The man is a cop, he was badass. Why is he now all of a sudden a emotionally unstable paraplegic with a terrible marriage and constant wish for death? It’s not funny anymore and it’s kinda sad and overplayed
Family guy suffers from the fact alot of the writers hhave the idea of "marriage is miserable" joke in the back of their head and i think believe it to be the case, when Seth was writing for family guy it really felt like he considered marriage a wonderful thing, that had its up and downs sure but was something that was overall a postive thing. The newer writers feel like they hate marriage and people who are married are nothing but sad miserable people who only pretend to love each other for the sake of the children. such a pessimistic veiw of marriage
Writers also can sometimes develop a fixation of deconstructing established ideas. I feel like FG's writers are like that. They want to tear down the idea of the family sitcom with the thought that doing so makes them profound and thoughtful. But nowadays deconstruction has become trite and cliche.
What I learned from this comment and this video:Don't get married
That’s a lesson both of my parents learned the hard way
But Seth still works on family guy, if anything, the decline of marriages in the show happened the same way it did in the real world, people like Seth just stopped believing in God, marriage and anything else that’s sacred!!!!
@@fattiger6957 well they are manatees.
Donna and Clevland seem to have the healthiest marriage in this show it's too bad they keep getting sidelined along with their children. I wish they used these characters more.
Donna was just desperate to have someone in her life so Cleveland fitted right in
@@jeremyschipp and yet they work well together and have learned to love one another. Until it all fell apart...
If they do, they'll be ruined as well
I like that despite not having the BEST start - they are better than everyone. In fact, I think my favorite thing about Cleveland and Donna is the episode where someone else is obsessed with Donna and he shows that guy Donna at her worst. Shaving, no wig on, bra off so her breasts are saggy, etc etc. And he's like "I still love her, do you?" And the dude freaks out and leaves. But Cleveland is still like "What a woman
@@jeremyschipp TBH sometimes, that works out even in real life. She may have been desperate when they got together, but it doesn't mean she doesn't accept and love him for who he is at this point in her life/now. She's, so far, never cheated on him since they've been together and vice versa. Sometimes it really is that the right person comes at the right time, and it wouldn't have worked for a variety of reasons otherwise.
Cosmo and Wanda went through this too. By the time you finish that show, you keep wondering why they’re even together in the first place when earlier on, it was shown that they truly do love each other! Character development takes a backseat for worn out gags about how much marriage sucks, the naggy as hell wife and the husband that constantly wants to cheat, etc. The heart is lost and then the characters are just miserable to watch imo.
With Lois, she knows that Peters an idiot but at least cared for him at some point.
such a cartoon hater
For real!
I think Family Guy can be a really weird thing to watch if you're a fan who had been there since the first 3 seasons and grew with the show as the seasons kept coming. Peter and Lois used to have a much more solid relationship because even though Peter would be a dumbass, it usually came from a good place and it made sense why Lois stood by him. But overtime his (relatively innocent) screw ups) turned into borderline sociopathic and it makes you wonder why Lois is still with him but then we see that Lois has exhibited some bad personality regression as well. In a way the two are meant for each other in a way lol.
@joshuamunn2410 Ah right on, I started watching regularly around 2002 when it got picked up by Adult Swim. When it ran on Fox, I only saw like 2 episodes lol. anyway yeah, there's no doubt Lois got pretty bad as well but in the first few of the revival seasons, she wasn't completely unhinged just yet. At worst was when she got a rush from shoplifting but aside from that and that episode where she sexually assaulted Peter when he became abstinent, her true awfulness didn't come full circle until the much later new era of seasons.
FOP also has a disturbing amount of jokes on the misery of parenthood and the joys of childlessness. How many times are the Dinklebergs shown to be richer and happier than the Turners because they don't have kids. The episode where Timmy wishes he was never born really doesn't help things. Kind of strange in a show made for kids.
My favorite Bob and Linda moment is when he goes on a wild goose chase looking for a novelty game he remembers playing with her on a date, but he remembers it wrong and it was another woman, not Linda. She thinks it's so romantic that he spent all day trying to impress her for valentine's day that she's not even mad he confused her with his ex. So sweet.
It shows her that Bob not only truly loves her but that Bob doesn't even consider the fact that any of his happy relationship memories could come from anyone but Linda.
@@callanightshade8079 That is a wonderful take. Bob loves Linda so much he always imagines her during his happiest moments.
And Linda being ride or die just wants effort more than anything.
So glad Bob's Burgers exists; we need one of these adult family sitcoms to depict healthier family relationships and have a generally more wholesome tone. The niche was left open after King Of The Hill finished.
Especially considering he was trying so hard because he knows he's terrible at giving gifts. 😭 I love Bob and Linda. I think they're a good realistic example of a healthy, long term marriage. Neither of them are perfect but they're perfect together. It's the main reason I love Bob's Burgers. Everyone is still a sitcom caricature but the dynamics feel very real and the negative traits aren't so exaggerated that it makes you uncomfortable.
This is why Bob's burgers is the superior cartoon, a hectic marriage but one thats built on love and trust, a relationship we should all strive for and take as an example.
My absolute favourite moment of their relationship is when we find out that Bob is seriously irritated by Lindas singing every time she goes to dinner theatre with her friends and she immediately starts singing right at that moment and instead if getting pissed off he laughs and gives her the most adoring look I’ve seen in a cartoon.
I love Bob's Burgers very much but Family Guy gives me bigger laughs because of how cartoony it is.
I love that Bob's Burgers still keeps its emotional core, the family. And the writers know enough to not mess with that.
Close Enough is another great example.
@@robbieking4070 have not seen that one yet but looks really promising I did like regular show and see a lot of parallels.
Even playing on the trope of "The wife gets a job", the ONLY reason Bob ends up not liking that Linda has the job is because he misses her so much. He is happy she got it, that she enjoys it, and doesn't care about who's making more money, he just misses not getting to see her as much.
Bob's Burgers is a great series.
Seeing these two terrible marriages made me realise some new depths to Cleveland's character.
Cleveland divorcing Loretta for cheating once is perfectly reasonable and emotionally healthy. But it seems strange in hindsight given that Peter, Lois and Bonnie are all far worse to their spouses and aren't condemned nearly as hard as Loretta. Loretta was killed off and "Quagmire'd" for goodness sake!
But that made me realise. Unlike Peter, Lois, Joe and Bonnie, Cleveland refuses to stay in unhealthy relationships. The other two unhappy couples regularly cheat and actively avoid divorcing because IDFK. But Cleveland ended his marriage the first time Loretta cheated and when she wanted to get back together, he stuck by his guns and said no. When he turned her down, he did it in one of the most profound and mature ways ever, saying that he'll always cherish when they were married, but that time is over now.
Now, because Cleveland refused to let Loretta betray him again, he's happily married to Donna. Cleveland may be kind of boring, but he's far more emotionally mature than all of his friends, who are unhappily married and want to kill each other. And Cleveland isn't as 'hen-pecked' as he's described as being.
But still, I'll never understand why Cleveland forgave Quagmire but not Loretta. It takes two to tango. I guess it's so their friend group wouldn't be broken up. Similar to how Cartman and Kyle still hang out after EVERYTHING.
Sadly probably some misogynoir that the writers might not even be aware they have (or just don't care which is more likely sadly). Black women always get the worst treatment in media so it's not surprising that Loretta's the only one to get truly punished for cheating.
He probably forgave Glen because he knows the type of person he is (a guy who will actively pursue women until they sleep with him) while Loretta was someone who promised to be faithful to him and never cheated on him before.
Donna is a very toxic wife in her own regard, so I wouldn't really say his next marriage was a huge improvement.
I agree. Donna constantly berates and put Cleveland down all the while he takes car of everything.
The reason why Cleveland forgave Quagmire is a little convoluted. But it can come down that Quagmire made no promises to him. He never vowed or acted duplicitious. Everyone knows what Quagmire is about; but you're the fool to entertain his ravenous lustful life. Loretta vowed and promised to Cleveland at their wedding to be his, and his alone. And she destroyed any reason to trust her. She went behind his back and slept with Quagmire, and even lied about it until she was caught.
Quagmire is a despicable person, but he's just honest enough to himself to make it clear he's a crappy person who will sleep with any woman if he wants to. A scummy person but is never dishonest about that. Cleveland forgives someone who's at least honest there.
I think the problem started with the episode where Cleveland and his wife finally decided to get a divorce. The writters probably started to notice there that it was an easy way to create a conflict to deal with for the episodes and also a way to create some jokes from it and decided to apply it to all the couples in the series. Before that, most of them were more of less good marriages.
There is one person in india named Ekta Kapoor who do same trick of divorces and marriages to create tons of episode with it .
Family Guy has seemed to just become the horrible people doing horrible things to each other show. I don't know if the writers have become so obsessed with "deconstructing" family sitcoms and being edgy that they have gone completely overboard, but that seems to be the case.
One of the reasons I like Bob's Burgers so much is because it is a show about a family who actually loves each other. The world is such a miserable place; comedy shows don't need to add more misery.
Sadly, Family Guy seems to be all about the "misery" these days. I still stand by American Dad myself because even though the Smith family have done some questionable things over the years, they really seem to care for each other unlike the Griffins.
@@SamanthaJonesSATCsadly, shows nowadays are made like that on purpose. Misery is the new economy. That’s why shows are failing. Its all about getting reactions.
@bryana.escaleralopez That it is but I refuse to give up on American Dad, South Park or even Futurama. Anyway, some people out there are still standing by the latest seasons of Family Guy, Rick and Morty and The Simpsons.
At this point, “deconstructing” family sitcoms is like beating a dead horse that died in 1995 after the *Full (of shit) House* producers shot it and the *F(r)iends* producers buried it out behind the barn. Especially when one of the inventors of deconstructionism itself, Jacques Derrida, was a pedophile. But this show was too busy making shit up about Kevin Spacey to care because the audience is more likely to get a joke about Kevin Spacey than a joke about Jacques Derrida.
By the time *Family Guy* got on the scene, new live-action sitcoms had gotten so bad that they were becoming almost uniformly unwatchable, and references to 70s and 80s shows and movies at least seemed fresher than the same old Boomer tropes because the 20-year-nostalgia cycle already had hit those time periods. They were also willing to go after some very sacred cows. Peter was right about *MASH* becoming difficult to watch in its later years. Even Alan Alda was obviously getting tired of playing “St. Hawkeye, He of the 4077th” if you have actually seen *The Four Seasons.* But they forgot that lesson and doubled down on everything that made the post-McLean Stevenson, post-Larry Linville, post-Radar episodes as cringe as the worst of Norman Lear. Not only that, once they ran out of Gen X-era references that anybody would actually get, they subjected us to references to the same current-day schlock that made many people, myself included, stop consuming popular “culture” altogether. Getting Disney into the mix won’t help. They’ll just Nerf it like they do to everything.
Seth MacFarlane belongs in prison for that show. Offensive stereotypes of Gays + anti-Republican propaganda = treason and hate speech.
To me, this show has basically said we're going to do the humor thing by portraying our characters as being the worst human beings on the planet.
I think a show like It's Always Sunny or Seinfeld gets away with it because the characters almost always gets their comeuppance. Those never treated their characters like they were good people. The shows and the audience admitted the characters were immature horrible people. And there was never any kind of attempt to make you feel sorry for them.
Family Guy's characters are horrible, but the show still wants you to feel for them.
@@fattiger6957Love Seinfeld and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia but what used to be my favourite show, Family Guy has seriously fallen from grace and not been the same since. The characters becoming unlikeable just for the heck of it is only half the problem.
This is why I hate the "Bumbling dad/miserable nagging wife" trope because it just validates toxic relationships. For me the one examples I can think of who adverts this completely are Judy & Hugh Neutron, who are a refreshing change of pace from say Peter & Lois with the same trope. With Judy and Hugh, while they do play off of these tropes they seem like an actual happy couple and don't feel annoying to watch, oh and they actually care about their son. Not only that, but with this trope it often affects how the parents act toward their kids, Lois I consider to be like the worst person on the show. I also don't like how Bonnie and Joe's marriage declined too, because while you can argue it gives Bonnie character, you can characterize someone flaws and all without making their misery also annoying to watch and that's the problem, they just tell the same joke with her that it makes you wonder why she's even with him. I also think there's a missed opportunity to explore growth in having to put yourself on hold just because you're stuck with a problem someone else has too, it does put a negative mindset into you, having like an arc with Bonnie going through that would've been better than "Bonnie hates Joe, Joe wins her back, rinse/repeat" because I'm not the kind of person who likes to 180 a character because they have flaws and turn them into just a boringly competent or over positive person, which is what most people gravitate toward which often results in developers/writers overcorrecting the issue, but just use those flaws she has to make a interesting character or find a middle ground.
I'm glad you brought up Hugh and Judy Neutron. Where they are one of the few TV families where the Dad is dumb but not bumbling. Rather just child-like, but also cares about Jimmy in his own way, and sometimes has logical wisdom. Judy also doesn't hate him or complain about him. He also loves his wife with the pet name he calls her by and she enjoys doing his hobbies, like making pie and wooden duck collecting. So it is possible to subvert the tropes even with them still being there. Hugh is a meme, but for good reason. He is a "dumb" character but a caring Dad and Husband. Its not a negative thing. They are honestly what Cosmo and Wanda could have been if the show didn't make their parallel couple worse over the years.
I’d noticed this for years and it just left me kind of bummed out over time. I wouldn’t mind if it were just Joe and Bonnie because Jennifer Tilly’s line delivery as a scorned housewife kills it. But when there’s like the odd little joke about Peter and Lois genuinely liking each other as people or having giddy flirty chemistry it genuinely takes me aback how nice it is.
Again, not asking for them to be Marge and Homer with a why do birds suddenly appear motif all the time, not asking them to be Linda and Bob and be adorable. I just would like for them to not hate each other and make it look like marriage is miserable from all ends.
Marge and Homer still being married makes even less sense. He’s physically abusive to Bart, who was conceived out of wedlock to begin with. Bart was originally supposed to have been born in 1980, when there would have been more moral outrage over out-of-wedlock pregnancy since there was no Jerry Springer show yet. It is symbolic of how the pendulum swung away from sexual liberation and towards marriage and child rearing. Homer has put the family’s life and livelihood in danger time after time. Even him having a job that he is dangerously unqualified for feels like a holdover from the 1980s when the last of the boomers had just become adults and jobs were easy to get if you had at least a high school diploma. Now we have people with PhD‘s flipping burgers to pay for degrees in useless fields because *The Cosby Show* basically said you’d be flipping burgers forever if you didn’t get your degree. That was between the commercials for Jell-O and Coca-Cola.
@@Attmay Not sure how much of the Modern Simpsons you've seen, but they do alter some of the story to fit the 90s and stuff for Marge and Homer, adjusting their marriage to be a little more modern but full of love. And there are constant jokes about Homer being the luckiest man in the world. [Literally falls off a waterfall that kills a bunch of millionaires but he finds gold bars at the bottom]. It's even driven away from him being abusive to Bart - they've been writing that out of the show because they're seemingly shifting away from appealing to Boomers and are going now to appeal to the generations that grew up watching the show, rather than were raising kids while watching the show as it first aired. I think the reboot of their marriage in the show has done a lot for it - especially when they've been putting out these episodes showing how much Homer LOVES his family and kids and kind of trying to write over the Flanderization time period.
I find it ironic that Bob's Burgers was mentioned as being a good depiction of a relationship because Family Guy always tries taking the piss out of them yet they repeat the same joke about the marriages between Peter and Lois and Joe and Bonnie.
This is why I prefer King of the Hill and Bob's Burgers. Sure, the Hills and Belchers have their ups and downs, but Hank and Peggy and Bob and Linda can be a real power couple and stick with each other to the end. This may just be a personal preference for me, but I find positive relationships with occasional squabbles to be more interesting than this toxic crap.
Peggy pulled some shady shit over the years, but nothing compares to Nancy making a cuck out of Dale.
RIP Johnny Hardwick
@@Attmay
What now?
It’s sad seeing Bonnie and joes relationship rewatching their first episode (a hero that sits next door) it’s really depressing seeing how they changed it
Seth MacFarlane is now 50 and unmarried. His sexual orientation is anybody’s guess at this point. The idea of a happy marriage is as anathema to him as the reality that you cannot tax and spend your way out of poverty. If he realized that and that Gay men are not inside-out heterosexual women, then *American Dad* would be worth watching.
@@AttmayI watch American dad too I love it
Hell even after seeing the episode where Joe cheats on Bonnie and then they work it out and get back together the way they met - makes it still being a garbage marriage just crappy.
Lydia, what are your thoughts about Cleveland and Donna's marriage in Family Guy?
I think the Browns have a much better marriage than the Griffins and Swansons, mainly for two reasons: 1) Cleveland and Donna are on their second marriage, so having been married before, the two know what they are getting into and 2) neither of them have the built up resentment and bitterness that the Griffins and Swansons have had, since they married much later.
I love their relationship because of this
They do have a much better relationship!! Yet they get zero screen time which is something I know Lydia has pointed out before
The Peter and Lois thing doesn't really bug me. I can see them being passionate youngsters that grew to hate each other, and if done properly, it's a good source of drama. The one that REALLY honks me off is Bonnie and Joe, but that's because I hate what the writers have been doing with him the past decade. If you want a much healthier relationship in a Seth MacFarline cartoon, you're gonna have to go to American Dad and Stan and Francine Smith. It's not a perfect marriage. They once split up over a disagreement about remodeling their kitchen (as their neighbor gay couple warned), but eventually reconciled. They have this oddly mutually shallow relationship where they love each other, but Francine has to keep of a fitness regiment and Stan has to continue to be an able bodied supporter. Worst thing Stan is capable of is forgetting their anniversary, and even then feels devastated he screwed things up with Francine on both occasions. Meanwhile, Francine feels she was rescued from a hard partying lifestyle by Stan, and values her loving monogamous relationship. Often times needing to remind Stan that she only cares about him, and would never do anything to damage the relationship through infidelity, no matter how jealous Stan gets.
You mean Cleavland Show
@@GrayD_Fox No. It still has that "wife bad" type humor now and then. Which makes it all the more disappointing considering the premise of the show was Cleveland finally getting with the woman he desired all this time after Loretta divorced him.
stan has literally maimed his wife on several occasions and severely traumatized her mentally in many other instances. He literally killed her in the Weeknd's episode.
@@milliondollarmistake Stan is well meaning, but stupid. He didn't so much kill her as infected her with the same needle Roger was going to infect Steve with so he could save Roger, and bungled the vile containing the cure. Same deal with the episode where he committed her to buy time for their anniversary. He thought at best they'd hold her a couple days, and he winds up trying to rescue her and gets a lobotomy as a result. At least until Fung Wa (or whatever his name was) said that everything worked itself out. Going to extremes is how the Smiths show affection for each other and their friends.
@@mightyfilm stan has shot her multiple times, cheated on her, belittles her constantly, and almost always puts his own happiness above hers (and anyone else's too but yknow).
Fry and Leela are still one of my favorite couples from animated TV. They grew into a loving couple. I haven’t watched the new season (please don’t spoil) Bob and Linda are my favorite animated couple of all time though.
Don’t they have a daughter?
Amy and Kif are a good couple too.
Trust me, they are about to be ruined in the new revival.
Oh good, another reason to hate Disney. I was down to my last 5000.
Oh boy are you in for a surprise with their relationship with the revival! There have been decent episodes and jokes, but overall Futurama should've stayed dead.
I’d LOVE to see a healthy and loving marriage on TV! So many parts of life have problems and troubles that the characters can overcome without playing abusive relationships for laughs.
Of all the marriages in Family Guy, I think Cleveland and Donna were fine? I mean, yeah, Donna and the kids (sans Junior) were retired to voiceless background characters, but when Cleveland came back to Spooner St., his marriage with Donna seemed to be storybook heaven compared to the Griffins and the Swansons (and even Quagmire, when he got married to the psychotic maid). They have their arguments, yes, but never has either or cheated on one another (or even considered it), verbally or physically abused each other, and so forth. The worst of their marriage is that Donna can be somewhat controlling (but not to the degree of ex-wife Loretta). I'm not caught up on Family Guy, nor have I watched every single episode (I usually put it on for background noise), but the Browns seemed like the only foreground marriage that hasn't fallen apart. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
@joshuamunn2410 you have Donna and Loretta confused I think, unless I missed something.
I really miss shows that portray a healthy marriage or relationship. Early Simpsons and family guy were pretty good at that. I'll never forgive the writers for turning the marriages into running jokes
Bob's Burgers is a show with a family who actually loves each other. Bob and Linda are far from perfect people, but they are still dedicated to each other.
@@fattiger6957 Yeah I was gonna mention that show, refreshing to see
Me too
Regular show is great and not got so much dark humour
I think one of the things I love about Bobs Burgers is no mater what is going on in their lives, good and bad they are a family and love each other. It doesn't have the punching bag members that always gets put down and they fight some but they never show true hatred like family guy does. Bobs burgers is more like a sitcom family then a cartoon family.
EXACTLY!! The best part of it is how much they love each other, they may bicker but it’s never hate. Crazy how the network kept trying to get them to tone down the love 💀
For Peter and Lois, it's a good thing. It's cathartic to see Peter get comeuppance sometimes. Her getting more and more frustrated with his stupidity makes perfect sense.
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Be way better if they just had a good wife trying to be supportive but slowly becoming less and less supportive and more and more fed up WITHOUT sacrificing her as a good wife/character. Like the episode where she becomes a model and goes too far, and it's finally when she's given acceptance and someone isn't trying to control her life [Peter or Carter] that she finally is like "...actually I did go too far, I think all I ever really needed support in being my own person." - It's such a good episode because even when she does bad things, she's NOT a bad person. She's a person who finally got a little of the freedom she was in desperate need of - and went too far. Lois gets to go back to being a loving wife and partner, but also never really stopped in that episode, even when she was at her biggest "Screw you, Peter!" moments. It'd feel more like comeuppance if we had this Lois getting more and more frustrated with Peter and less and less supportive. More and more doing her own thing and not being there to pick up the pieces for Peter - but also not there to yell at him for existing.
Hell those random moments in early Family Guy where he'd push too far and she'd lose her shit at him were FAR MORE cathartic [imho] than now because it was RARE that she lost it on him and it showed that even people who are loving and super supportive can be pushed TOO FAR and lash back at people like Peter. Now you just expect her to go off on him because it seems like all she ever does is yell.
@@Crow_Smith I don't think they sacrificed her character. They slightly upped what was already there. Season 3 gave us Lethal Weapons.
pixelated and afraid really made people realise how the same formula of the marriage crisis isnt needed, you can have a couple be happy and still have conflict without the same tired repeated, oh x cheated on y or y wants x dead, hopefully more try that new formula, even so stan and francine have a good relationship compared to peter and lois
That's the major difference between Family Guy and the Simpsons. Despite originating from The Simpsons the show does occasionally have the traits of a character resurface to remind us of what they are capable of like the progenitor himself Ned Flanders who despite his ever increasing religiosity throughout the seasons he's still absolutely jacked and can fight off a group of marines no problem. Contrast this with Peter Griffin who at the start was a caring person with average intelligence has devolved into an evil 1 Int character from Fallout with no signs of those old traits resurfacing.
Funny how it’s bob and Linda Belcher who aren’t the well off middle class family like the Simpsons and griffins who have the most wholesome marriage.
I kinda channel bob and Linda’s marriage energy to mine with my husband.( minus kids)
God, Peter and Lois' marriage is so horrible now! They really need to get divorced, but no, the stupid status quo of Family Guy makes them forgive them each other! It doesn't work like that! I just don't care for them now! Joe and Bonnie's marriage is no better either! And while this is not related to Family Guy, I say Stan and Francine from American Dad don't make a good couple anymore, because Stan only married Francine for her looks, sent her to an anslym, blamed her for killing an employee, hurt her on a few occasions, etc! None of these marriages make any sense! I'd rather take Homer and Marge, plus Meg with an OC I made to ship with her, to keep her happy (and make sure she doesn't live with her family, by the way).
Bob and Linda's marriage is the only cartoon sitcom marriage on Fox this perfect!
I like the point made about Bob and Linda (because Bob's Burgers does an awesome job of showing a happy family with all it's quirks) about how they don't constantly shower each other with gifts and compliments throughout the day. They don't need to do that. They'd been married for over a decade and raised three children together, they are long past the honeymoon phase and are as stable a marriage as could be asked for.
Bob thinks the world of Linda and will put in all the effort he can for her which is all she cares about and Linda is ride or die and when she's on board she will give 100%, she's never leaving him. Like when she thought he was planning to kill Teddy and was already making plans to go on the run...
What they did to Joe's character was just awful. He was such a cool guy, a competent cop, and a good husband for the first few seasons. But Family Guy fell into the "misery is funny" trap of comedy and now you can't really root for any of the main characters because they're all terrible people.
When there is nothing left in story of sitcom, failure in marriages is an easy trope to extend that series .
what about Clevland and Donna? you didn't mention them I know they got married in the spin-off but they return to the main show. I guess because Donna and her kids were just reduced to background characters we never really see their marriage. I still like to imagine they still have be best marriage of all their friends which I guess the writers can't or don't want to show a happy marriage
Even from the few moments we see Cleveland and Donna together on Family Guy, they definitely might have the best marriage compared to the rest. They never once argue to tear each other down.
I think it’s really telling that in the most recent season(?)’s episode about the last blockbuster, Lois is super giggly and happy to hear Peter call her ‘babe’. In the moment it’s a cute “parents gross out their kids by being affectionate” gag but in hindsight it just shows how much Lois loves petnames and how infrequently Peter calls her any despite her obvious enjoyment of them. Idk I grew up with my parents calling each other cute things and my grandfather even still calls my grandmother “my dear” in an argument so that’s lack of anything always sticks out to me
Family guy has become totally mean spirited since the 2010s and it has contain too much for the fans
One of the reasons I don't watch it anymore
and this is why i love the show
@@The_Str4ngerand with that it becomes a shit show
The more people hate the show the more they'll shove it down everyone's throats. 🤷🏻♂️
Never forget that Lois made out with Meg’s boyfriend, blamed Peter for it and the episode…agreed with her and PETER apologized to HER…
I can't understand why the writing staff chose to (pardon my French) bastardize the Family Guy characters today.
Nothing they've done lately comes across as worthy of a chuckle, let alone a jolly laugh out of ME
French?
@@dylansharp8471 It's an expression, another way of saying "excuse my language"
Modern Family Guy marriages are the embodiment of "I hate my wife" Boomer jokes.
Will you ever do a video on Bluey? I know it's outside of your norm but it is such a good family (and a millennial dad).
There are defo joke for parents, and being a new dad I am very grateful for it!
I keep hearing great stuff about Bluey but I haven't had a chance to sit and watch it yet
@@LydiaLovesTimelinesI hope you get time to watch it
@@LydiaLovesTimelinesOh too bad / Oh dommage
It’s so odd that the show absolutely doesn’t care about how bad the relationships get yet still act like the couples still have a meaningful relationship. They even acknowledge that most couples don’t like each other that much any more and are on their way to getting a divorce but haven’t done it because that would mean actually changing the continuity to account for it and it’s clear they want to put effort into an actual storyline these days.
“Louis may be worth a million to you Mr. Pewter Schmidt, but to me she’s worthless.” 😂🤣😭
I hate the misery that not only portrays to people but also influence them too even though it’s family guy lmao
You know who else have a healthy relationship? Hank and Peggy Hill
What a perfect sponsor transition! 10/10 work Lydia
“Dwindle into disrepair” is a brilliant quote that sums up Family Guy full stop.
Your videos are awesome! I hope you make a new spongebob one soon!
Thank you! I was thinking about making a video on Fred the fish 🤔
Honestly I feel the same way. ❤️ I wish they would have just one episode where that happened. Sadly this is what happens when the idea that Marriage is a Ball and Chain and not something to be enjoyed/ a challenge to work through together gets us. In my Grandparents day when a marriage was broken people tried to fix it, nowadays people just stay together until their kids graduate in misery without even trying to fix their marriage. 😞 This is the moment I knew it was all over for them ruclips.net/video/O0pBVXmYM_U/видео.htmlsi=IXV_jOmUnprqVI4A
I definitely could use more moments like Peter saying "diarrhea," Lois liking it when Peter calls her "babe" and Lois remarking "Maybe I like fat guys."
This is the episode I realized Lois loved Peter because she too is an idiot 😂
Bob & Margaret is a great animated series with a good marriage.
" the quagmire kids aren't real, the quagmire kids cannot hurt me, they'renot real, thry cant hurt me!!"
The quagmire kids: ... 3:35
I love that you mentioned bobs burgers relationship and I wish you’d do an episode like dissecting the different cute fun relationships in bobs burgers including like friend ships lol
I'd love to do more Bob's Burgers content
The only “healthy” couple that Seth ever made was Francine and Stan from American dad.
Their relationship works because they’re both equally insane in their own way
Yeh they are my favourite couple because they clearly love each other and they match each others insanity
Hello Lydia I just want to say your videos are fantastic, and I've been re watching season 1 of Family Guy again and I'm probably going to stop at season 3 or season 5. But it's interesting how the show went downhill, maybe it's just nostalgia but I prefer the earlier seasons of Family Guy. When Peter was a loveable but bumbling idiot, Lois was a lovely housewife that loved her Husband, who could party and have fun, Meg was an ordinary teenage girl and her family genuinely cared about her, Brian the straight man and best friend to peter, Stewie evil genius that wanted to kill his mother and take over the world but who was also flamboyant and formed a close friendship with Brian, Joe the local hero and man who didn't let his disability get in the way of living life and in a loving marriage with Bonnie and etc. I just don't like how the characters have become flanderized, mean spirited and nasty. I'd put it down to a lack creativity, lazy writing, fatigue and just thrown stuff at a wall. Anyway I just thought I'd offer my thoughts when it comes to the state of Family Guy, keep up the good work Lydia and I'm glad I found your channel. Greetings from Australia.
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The venture bros also has a really good depiction of a supportive marriage with The Monarch and Dr.Mrs. The Monarch, they are both supervillains and while The Monarch can be unhinged and emotionally driven, his wife is a professional career villain. This can lead to conflict between the two especially with regards to The Monarch’s obsession with Dr. Venture and his wife rising in the professional ranks of villainy to become the primary breadwinner of the couple. But in the end they are both willing to compromise and have been shown willing to risk their lives for the sake of one another throughout the show.
Love your work ty for the vid :)
What happened? 90s kids happened. They by now are adults pushing 40, and are the primary consumers and audience of products and content. And just…. So… goddam…. Many of us came from absolutely miserable, abusive and toxic families, a lot of which eventually fell apart, and a lot that are running out the clock in unhappy unions. Around our late childhood/early teens easily accessible internet became available, and we became aware that a lot of other kids our age were going “wtf, why did these two get together in the first place?!”. Marriage was seen by us as not a fairytale culmination to a relationship, but as a miserable slog that you just kinda did as part of your life at a certain age. The results are noticeable: a lot of millennials and gen-z choose to stay single, and many have adopted the childfree ideology, not willing to sacrifice effort for another pointless unit. It’s only natural that satirical shows like “family guy” reflect this mentality in order to keep up with the times.
I write all of this by the way as a married guy who loves his wife, and is planning for a child in the near future. But I’m also someone who has experienced how big of a shitshow marriage can be from watching my parents. It is totally reasonable for anyone to say “ummm…. Nah!” to it.
Thumbnail number 2! YES!!
My favorite Bob and Linda moment is so small and quick. Like blink and you miss it. It's a Valentines Day episode where they both get caught up in something Tina related. Bob is getting last minute carnations and Linda is helping Tina reorganize the Carnation Cards she was in charge of. Fast forward through that chaos, they meet at the school, they play everything cool for Tina's sake. Once she's out of earshot they have this sweet simple exchange.
Linda: You up all night getting carnations with Teddy?
Bob: Yeah. Something wrong with the Valentines?
Linda: Yeah. Happy Valentines Day.
Bob: Happy Valentines Day. I uh... didn't get you anything.
Linda: I didn't get you anything either. Wanna make out?
Bob: Yeah!
It isn't just Family Guy, it is Seth McFarlane shows in general. Relationships start strong but gradually become "so why are you even together?"
The characters of the pre-10s shows really need to declare their marriages open at this point. All of them. If NONE of them can get by without adultery, they need to agree to open relationships or finally all split up.
Come again?
1:12 that transition was smooth as all heck Mrs.Lydia!
Haha thanks
Speaking about Lois cheating on Peter.. I watched an Episode of Bob's Burgers and i remember Bob and Linda kinda being distant cause their dates are repetitive and boring to Linda.. So she plans a trip with a Waterplane but Bob refuses.. The Instructor is "Upskirt Kurt" someone who fakes a death scenario to do the naughty with lonely married housewives..
He does the same with Linda and she refused and even gave him a headbutt when he tries to kiss her
Even if this was all fake from Kurt.. It was a neardeath experience and the adrenaline was high..
Yet Linda refused and stayed strong to Bob
Lois could never 👀
Queen of animated Wifes goes for me to Linda Belcher ❤️🥰👑
Its almost like that Family Guy cant have anyone be happy and that does get grating over time. Like when everyone is miserable in a programme why watch and why are they staying together anyways. If its that toxic its not fun like how many episodes can you have where their marriage is on the rocks and patch things up at the end theres gotta be a breaking point eventually
How would you rate Stan and Francine's relationship based on this? Do you feel like they are just as bad as the Family Guy cast or worse?
It's been a while since I've watched American Dad, but I know there are issues in most marriages there too (minus Terry and Greg's relationship). However I don't remember them wanting to ever sleep around with other people outright. Stan has his attractions (ex. Gwen) but he's pretty faithful to Francine and it doesn't appear that they resent each other or are barely keeping it together. But I'm sure someone out there can certainly prove me wrong.
Stan and Francine are a far better couple than Peter and Lois. That said, Stan has also done some pretty awful things in their marriage too. I might have to cover it fully in a video 🙂
@@LydiaLovesTimelines Omg please do! I'd love to hear what you have to say about them.
I do love Stan and Francine's dynamic most of the time. They seem to enjoy spending time with one another and just more loving towards one another.
Stan is a jackass a lot of time, but you can still tell that the two genuinely care for one another. (At least under the condition that they remain attractive/financially stable) 😂
Hayley and Jeff’s marriage is surprisingly healthy.
@@UpsetWizard That's true. They seem to work well together--especially given their ages and lack of experience. They certainly have their troubles but I don't expect kids fresh out of high school (give or take a few years) to be able to handle the hardships of marriage as easily as the middle-aged adults with decades worth of experience.
@@IAmNotASuccubustbh no offense but I feel like adults aren't as good at marriages. Tons of them are getting divorced and ofc marriages are going to have problems that's in all marriages
I miss the earlier seasons where the couples are flawed but still love each other and everything they do, even the mistakes made, are done with the intent of making each other happy.
I internally squealed when Linda said that she didn't need a ring.❤
That’s one thing I like about American dad. Stan and Francine were shown to be not perfect from the get go. There was even one episode where they admitted they were using each other. Fran wanted money, security and to stay home. Stan wanted to have a beautiful wife who play the American wife image. And be like a trophy wife to him.
But they have shown to care about each other despite their flaws and have even chosen to stay together and they even argue and get into crazy situations but in the end they do love each other. Even if it’s in a messed up way.
Watching this video makes me realize how much Bob and Linda really do deserve each other
all well said from start to finish on this video and to quote Denis Leary in the 1994 film "The Ref" "Great I've Hijacked My F**king Parents"😒which summarizes the current state of Family Guy Marriages in a nutshell
While Frank and Sue from F is for Family did have their faults in their marriage and relationship. At least Frank has the capacity to realize his mistakes and see that the problems he makes affects other people. And at least both of them still care despite their quarrels and stuff. But if I can look at Joe and Bonnie from Family Guy. I think out of all of the marriages depicted in Family Guy, Joe and Bonnie had it the most toxic of them all. Even more toxic than Peter and Lois. Joe is used as Bonnie's punching bag because he's handicapped (totally not an allegory for ableism) and Bonnie, welll... hates Joe for no other reason than be an ableist, motionless and bitter wife.
This is why I love Moxxie and Millie's relationships in Helluva Boss, because they have moments of not being perfect, but despite that, they genuinely love each other and will save each other when they really need it.
You know it's sad with the fact that in comparison to any canon relationship, fanfic ships are more perfect with absolutely no conflict at all.
Love the video. Tho I wish you talked about Cleveland in this. He is married as well and unlike the other two he loves his wife and she loves especially him even if he is a but spineless when it comes to his friends. She is his rock and he is her comfort and support
Funny thing is, Cleveland at the start of the show had a miserable marriage with Lorreta, until later-on... He had a happy relationship with Donna.
Hey the reason why I left Cleveland out was because Family Guy has ignored his family so there wasn't too much to comment on. However, I am working on a separate video on Donna and the Cleveland Show 🙂
K great happy to hear it, I can't wait to watch it. I so agree that it is a shame we don't see anything of the Cleveland family. We see more of the new mayor than them. I would love to see you cover the newer episode when Cleveland start to work at the brewery and does great. But Peter becomes jealous and try to get him fired. But then Cleveland for no reason stands up for him and quits. I remember screaming at my TV WHY!!! Lol
@@SpeedsterMan15He's come full circle.
Cleveland and Donna have the most wholesome marriage out of everyone
@marcusrimson6330
I agree, Cleveland and Donna had the most wholesome relationship and marriage in the entire Seth MacFarlane universe.
Sadly however it seems that both Cleveland Donna and their family have been erased from Family Guy as their characters have not showed up in any of the recent seasons since the Disney and Fox merger.
@marcusrimson6330
There seems to have been an attempt by the showrunner and writers to erase African-American characters from Family Guy.
Cleveland and his family and
Jerome the bartender were nowhere to be seen in any of the previous and current seasons.
@marcusrimson6330
I unironically enjoyed The Cleveland show and I'm still sad that it got cancelled by Fox.
The most underrated of the Seth MacFarlane adult comedy shows with probably the most wholesome family ever written.
I am also upset that we never got the Joe Swanson the show spinoff.
1:07 All fairness Lydia, even if we didn't notice it on our own, he did acknowledged it in one episode as he took his chin off and questioned "why are these up here?" And then puts them in his pants, so at least 90% of us probably know that (but then again, that episode first aired over a decade ago, so that's probably as much remembered as WWE fans remember Bart Gunn)
OH, You were getting ready to sponsor, sorry about that.
I don't really watch Family Guy anymore, but if they're going to stick to this kind of theme I would kind of like there to be a scene or something where Peter just walks past Lois with some other guy and all he says to her is "Hey Lois.", she responds with a "Hi, Peter.", and they carry on their business. Someone Peter is walking with says something like "Your wife's obviously cheating on you and that's your reaction?" to which Peter says just plainly answers "We're tryin' an open marriage thing, it might help with all the tension." and that's about it. Not really a joke, just a passing establishment of that as a directly acknowledged concept.
I'm so glad a new Family Guy video just dropped, I really needed it!
I feel like the reoccurring joke of a bad marriage is just easily milked cheap humor. For example, kid me noticed it in Fairly Odd Parents. Cosmo and Wanda were such a classic couple that genuinely loved each other, and now they hate everything about each other.
Bob's Burgers is my favourite show and I'm so happy you referenced it ❤️🍔
The way you worked in the manscaped promo 😂😂
God bless Cleveland and Donna for holding it down! ✊
Turns out the key to a happy marriage in Family Guy is just side just being a background character.
Donna and Cleveland definitely aren’t holding it down😭
@@oceanfive8201
Huh?
@@dylansharp8471 honestly it’s been so long I can’t remember why I commented that
What's up Doc? Can there be such a thing as a real life Butt-monkey trope because I think I'm starting to relate to it very much
Bonnie got different ever since she gave birth to Susie. After season 7 the newer writers turned Bonnie different
Ultimately the worst relationship is Marge and Homer and it's primarily on Marge's side that the problems come.
There have been a total of 2 women who Homer was "tempted" by and he fully resisted them each time they threw themselves at him - even to the point of a delusion telling him that Mindy was his perfect wife.
Yet Marge has openly cheated on Homer many many times, taken money to cheat, considered leaving him a dozen times or more over.
And people point to them as being a "good" relationship...no, they're just more subtle about it than FG are.
Ironically the one time the episode started and ended with Lois and Peter in love without derailment was when Peter put on Quagmires underwear and gained his personality
I think you are absolutely correct about just ONE episode about the two of them being happy could be excellent. Too bad Seth MacFarlane is determined to turn Family Guy into 'anti-comedy the series' because he's sick of making it. It seriously feels like the show has gotten so viscous because it should have been cancelled several times already, but is stuck in a perpetual limbo of 'too good to cancel', so the production team is trying to make watching it miserable
Can't blame Seth then. Blame those who want to milk Family guy for all of its charm. Every show dies, it's inevitable. Just go out with with a bang, not a wet fart
Seth doesn’t write anymore he just does voices
This happened with Homer and Marge too
Little bit of weight? Hogzilla gained like 250 lbs 😂😂
THE SEGUE INTO THE AD REEL???? GIRL I LOVE YOU
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I love Bob and Linda 💞 They have the most real relationship of them all and I LOVE IT 💘
Probably the best transition to an advertisement I’ve ever seen. Props. Props.
Has anyone else been thinking about why Lois' extremely wealthy parents never give her any money? Look at what she drives!
Because she doesn't want to accept money from her parents. They bought the house for her tho 🙈
The way Bonnie and Joe's modern relationship just consists of her either cheating on him or fantasizing about killing him
The segue into the ad, calling out Peter's ball chin 😂
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Other than Bob's Burgers I would add Close Enough as the best portrayal of marriage. Very underrated show.
I always get bored of the "bad marriage" plotlines, in the Simpsons as well (the Homer & Marriage fight episodes tend to be very repetitive), and in the Fairly Odd Parents to some degree of how Wanda and Cosmo decayed a bit.
Bob's Burgers is one of a kind for the network to actually have an adult comedy show that is funny without relying on chaotic dysfunction, over-the-top edginess, mean-spirited characters, character torture, and just boring and dated, cynical sitcom family cliches. They aren't overly lovey-dovey, but feel just acceptably good with Bob and Linda just feel natural.
King of the Hill is also okay as well, while the only somewhat good marriages in it few in between are at least strong ones. With Hank and Peggy, or Connie's parents. It kind of predates Bobs Burgers but was an example that Bob adds onto more generally.
I think Lous, Peter, Bonnie, and Joe should go to Mariage Countsing.
This is a question for hard-core Simpsons fans, how would you describe homer and Marge’s marriage now compared to earlier seasons of the show.
Best transition into an ad I’ve ever seen 😂