@@Theben10matrixesWandas character assassination in m.o.m was so bad it drags down the overall quality of the movie and no one can convince me otherwise
What I why don't understand about the TVA is that is their is no multiple timeline that wouldn't that means the multiverse doesn't exist as well, because isn't the multiverse created due to the choice or decision we did and did not take
Hey Gio, great video and all of these were great points. I cannot express how much I hate She-Hulk and Ant-man 3 (what's sad is that I was actually looking forward to this one). However, I did want to mention something and you can stop me if I've missed something. But wasn't the point of Loki showing that free will DOES exist? We find out in the finale that the "sacred' timeline really isn’t that sacred as it's just the only timeline Kang was comfortable with existinng as it wouldn't spawn any of his variants. This means that free will does exist and from Kang's monologue, it's what caused the first multiversal war. The main reason he enslaved the "sacred" timeline was because he didn't want that to happen again. So while yes, free will was sort of taken away, Loki also showed us that it's an innate part of the mutiverse as when Kang died, the Multiverse immediately started branching out again creating his variants. Unless you meant it in a meta way like with the actual writers and executives at Marvel, then I guess that's a completely different story. I don't know, that part didn't nearly bother me as much as I'm a fan of stories with a set beginning, middle and end (destiny) especially when it comes to time travel so maybe I wasn't seeing red like you were. Also take back what you said about "What If...?" It was amazing, I will fight you on that XD Overall, I guess I'm still sticking with the MCU for the long ride. I'm like the only optimistic fan they have so guess who's paying their bills. Phase 4 was a mess, there's no denying that but it did bring some interesting ideas I hope they flesh out going forward. Things do seem to be looking up though as they've promised to slow down on projects and market the stories that truly matter. That and Guardians 3 was actually amazing. Will Marvel improve after all these changes? Who knows? I just don't want Superhero media to die out already and have the one successful cinematic universe be reduced to nothing but we'll see.
Hot take: I don't like stories with multiverses because they lower the stakes of everything. I can tolerate time travel if it's written well and doesn't fall apart, but multiverses just make the original plot feel less important. I instantly stopped caring about everything the Avengers built in their reality when it was confirmed there are countless multiverses of them. If one dies, there are still 9999 left.
I have to say Spider-Man No Way Home,Hawkeye,Moon Knight,Werewolf by Night,I Am Groot,and The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special(The Beautiful Twisted Mind of James Gunn is Not Worthy to Exist) is the Best Part of the MCU Phase 4,Hell Controversial or Not I have a Soft Spot with Loki,What If…….,Kinda Shang Chi,and Doctor Strange and The Multiverse of Madness,However I can’t say the Same Thing with Black Widow,WandaVision,Falcon and the Winter Soldier,Ms.Marvel,Eternals,Thor:Love and Thunder,She-Hulk: Attorney at Law,and Black Panther Wakanda Forever broke my Sanity,the Trust of their Fans,and their whole Universe Thanks to Phase 4,ever Since Endgame and Far from Home I Got this Weird Feeling Phase 4 was Off but I didn’t Known it was going to be THIS ATROCIOUS,Marvel Studios taking Notes on the CW DC Shows and turning the MCU to Movies and Series on Disney+ was a Terrible Mistake Like It or Not,Legacy Characters are a Joke or are Killed Off,there’s More Bad Legacy Characters and Few Good Ones,the Stories are a Complete Mess with No Direction or Any Idea on What to Do,they’re putting Political Things which aren’t Necessarily,the Villains are some of the Worst and Dumbest the MCU has Done,and the Kang Arc is Mishandling the Build Up so Bad that the Established Lore either Won’t Matter or it’s Retconned like Star Wars is,I Don’t Know if Marvel Studios would Recover from This Disaster,We Got Messes like Quantumania but Masterpieces like Vol.3,the MCU is a Gamble at the Moment,Sure they Fire One of the Many People that Tainted the Brand,all We Can Do is Wait and See if they Fix the Current Problems while Not Screwing Up the Fantastic Four and the X-Men,Hope to See You in the Flash Finale,There’s Alot to Talk About and Work to Do if it’s Going to be Huge,Good Luck G.I. Gio on this 9 Years to the Final Run.
Thanks man! And great comment as always. Honestly it boggles my mind how downhill the MCU has gone. Phase 4 should have been smaller. Focus on the new headliners for the universe and bring them together similar to phase 1. As always I still have hope, but I'm extremely skeptical. And pray for me because this flash video is about to take years off my life
Before I watch this video, the only things in Phase Four I have seen are WandaVision, Ms. Marvel, What If...?, much of the first episode and other parts of Loki, the first many minutes of the first episode of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, most of She-Hulk (have not seen the remaining few) and all the movies (except Wakanda Forever). Which sections should I skip that spoil those I haven't seen?
@26:21-26:23 You weren't lying about Marvel's "What If...?" Nobody gave a shit about that show and it just finished its' second seasom, last winter and its' previous show-runner left. And now, it's been anounced by the new show-runner that *"What If...? (Season Three)" will be the final season of the show.
People were able to criticize Wakanda Forever, and Moon Knight, but couldn't criticize the Holiday event Guardians of the Galaxy? People just do what they do in units I see...
some writers think every bad guy has to be a bigger physical threat that punches harder or have crazier abilities than the last, and Marvel had already reached universal killing power with Thanos half a dozen movies ago. Now we're in territory where the stakes are always so high the entire movie's plot becomes utter nonsense.
@@Zonedoutallthetimeit’s how the comics work dude, thanos is nothing compared to so many villainous characters. Also, if they just went back to weaker ones after endgame, they’d take them down way too easily
You did a banger job on doubling down the many issues with phase 4. I'm actually shocked by several points you made like Black Widow having a family before the Avengers since I didn't even consider that as a flaw. Speaking of which, I want to mention how there's seemingly no consistent interaction between the creative teams on each project. For example, Joe and Anthony Russo previously confirmed that Hulk's arm was permanently damaged in Avengers: Endgame and that he will never be the same. But She-Hulk completely ruined that by having Jen's blood be the cure for his arm, which takes away from some of the impact Endgame left on the MCU. I probably don't even need to dive into Wanda's sudden turn to villany off-screen after Wandavision. Point is the writers of the MCU aren't even talking to each other and it could only get worse from here. The only stuff I really like from Phase 4 are What If, Hawkeye and of course, No Way Home.....Although I'm worried that I won't have fun with Hawkeye anymore with Black Widow's retcon. Either way, there's been a lot of crap coming out of Marvel these past two or three years and I'm already losing hope for Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Anyway, good video and I may now even consider signing up for your patreon!
Thanks man! I'm so glad you enjoyed the video. And yeah there is clearly a lot less oversite over phase 4 than what there was in the prior phases of the MCU. Like i'm actually shocked that all of these problems where approved or let slide. It really makes me concerned for the future. But lets hope things get better
@@GIGio_Official I’m sure your video is going to be a great video but I’m just sayin I know this was made before Guardians 3 but I think that movie was perfect even better than No Way Home
I will always be thankful that Dr. Strange blatantly mentioned a multiverse with multiple universes to contradict what Loki mentioned. Had it not been for that movie Loki would have ruined the entire continuity.
The Way Marvel handled the multiverse was exstreamly overcomplicated when all they had to do was say, hey its a thing. Not whatever crap they tried to do with Loki
I thought I remembered Shang going through a little bit of an arc where he eventually decides to stop running from his past and, by extension his future. Maybe my mind made that up as part of the denial stage.
Amongst all the problems Marvels has right now. Probably the biggest hole is that Phase 4 had no overarching story. Once audiences realized that, they paid closer attention to the cracks that the lack of forethought and lore care (past and/or future)Marvel has laid out past phase 3, the audiences decided to check out.
Marvel I believe tried to make excuses such as sloppily announcing Secret Invasion sometime during a phase 4 and then comic fanboys shouted, “See they’re creating a plan now!” Yeah, they created one then but only once a few failed projects began streaming underway
@@Thomasmemoryscentral Wow, no respect for Kevin Fiege. Nerds will throw each other under the bus. Meanwhile Zack Snyder doesn't seem to respect nerds. He doesn't like mainstream DC and Marvel comics. He likes the more hardcore comics/ graphic novels. Forgot the name but it was in a 2022 interview
@@suzygirl1843what’s funny though is I’m a girl and absolutely love marvel. But the second they went woke and geared toward feminism or whatever I started to not like it. Black widow was my favorite female lead because they didn’t shove the fact she was a women in my face. I loved her because the character herself had amazing depth and development. I hated she hulk because of them not doing this. I especially hated the scene when she was crying about being cat called or something to Bruce of all people as if being cat called was WORSE than everything Bruce went though. So stupid. That doesn’t relate to me at all as a women. Like yeah being cat called can be annoying but they can’t beat down Bruce’s character and experiences to build hers up. I wish they’d just put some care and depth into their characters regardless of gender roles like they did with phases 1-3.
I knew that it was over when they turned Avengers Loki, not Infinity War Loki, into a do gooder and whiny simp in the first episode of his show Black Widow was also trash and Wandavision ended stupidly when it had mostly solid episodes but that was the end for me. NWH is a Sony movie to me so I'm not counting it. But Guardians 3 is something that I can say will be the best concluding movie for me and makes me hyped for DC.
This video was amazing! I didn't even catch the travesty the writers of LOKI committed until you first spoke about it on Twitter! 100% agree on everything!
@@novelwriter3503 as much as I love Loki, I gotta agree that it pretty much destroyed the MCU lore. As for Walking Dead, oh boy you're gonna be in for a really rough ride for seasons 7 and 8.
and you still enjoyed Loki tv show, right? So only after watching some review where someone tell you that there are flaws, you changed your mind? We are all easily influenced on what other say about the product. That is also reason why most of the movies flop in the cinema because everyone nowadays is critique and when someone says movie is bad, it must be truth, right?
The other issue with the Phase 4 heroes (newbies) is that most of them aren’t even popular or liked in the comics. So there’s even less people who want to see them as opposed to before in the other phases all those heroes were known and popular and had a fanbase so that got viewers but these newbies don’t have that plus people are getting hero fatigue so they might not want to take a chance on a hero they’ve never heard of
But it worked with guardians but just make the character atleast really well written than even if the plot sucks then people will atleast wanna see that character again
nobody knew about Iron Man before his movie came out in 2008 and look at how he ended up popular as all hell and people want to see him back from the dead
@@thealchemist5653 for example no way home plot is not that good since you need to destroy doctor strange character for the story to happen but peter parker arc in that movie is amazing and leaves you wanting more. Aside from walker and moon knight i don't care to see other character ever again( i don't wanna see the guardians again since their ending is great and I don't wanna see it ruined)
You did a great job adressing MCU phase 4 issues. Aside from Kang sucks that you stated, multiverse as an idea was promising. the execution was a piss poor in phase 4 and beginning of phase 5 with Ant-Man 3. I went to see Guardians 3 for conclusion to the story of those characters and i loved. Its about Rocket and zero mentions about multiverse.
You are the FIRST and only person to acknowledge how Darren replicated Pym particles in Antman. Now this movie is even worse!!! I thought it wasn’t possible but that is a MAJOR plot hole damn.
You’re absolutely right. I think they did Wanda Maximoff dirty by not letting her become a full on villain. What destroyed WandaVision was that terrible finale at the end, when Monica Rambeau basically rationalized Wanda’s actions as “self-sacrifice” when Hayward was right, she was a terrorist playing out some deluded fantasy of Leave It To Beaver and mentally tortured an entire town of people. Funny how Agatha Harkness was supposed to be evil, but if it wasn’t for her meddling, Wanda would have never let them go in the first place. I can buy her gaslighting Vision and lying to herself about the people she mind controlled being at peace, but I wish the characters around her didn’t echo that sentiment. They had an interesting precursor to the downfall of an Avenger, and it would have been really interesting to see Hawkeye’s reaction to that - even old man Steve’s…but ofc that will never happen.
I like Yelena. John Walker is alright but they rushed his redemption. Disagree on Shuri. I hated her in BP1 and I thought they really made her work on WF. Unfortunately, the annoying character quota remained and filled by Riri and Contessa.
John Walker is so hated by a certain crazy percentage of the fan base and probably normies too that the actor himself temporarily received death threats. Not joking, this is real during the original run of FATWS
It started with Captain Marvel. Phase 4 was just following that as a trend. Story and lore-ruining retcons? Check. Ruining established characters to hype a new one? The biggest offender, since the established characters (aside from Fury) only appear at the post credit and it still managed to do that. Bland presentation? Check.
Mcu phase 4 was like starwars episode 7 8 and 9, lack of direction and throwing on characters you know and love but then to make them useless or destroy there back story, then throw lots of new boring characters with no character archs.
For what Marvel needs to do, to quote Sam: "Do better." Unlike Sam can actually elaborate on what they can do. Like dont jump into something as big as Kang. A thought can go into Thunderbolts as like the idea of government trying to make people heroes in the spotlight like Jonathan Walker. Speaking of Marvel is Doomed could have also done Doctor Doom or Mister Sinister. Like Thanos or Kang could hint at them while building a the potential avengers. While might be odd to introduce them without their heroes could use the time to build up their characters and not kill them. Also think secret societies can work if recently formed or maybe instead of the ten rings playing major in history to the point where how has no one heard them to secret and minor roles throughout China and neighborhooding areas. You know doing the secret part of a secret society. Im sure there are other points besides mentioned in the video.
I definitely agree. Marvel is trying to go too big too fast, when what benefited them before was the slow burn of thanos. Now they just want to speed run another 10 years worth of movies in 5.
I think the biggest issue is the lack of an Avengers type movie. Something to pull everyone together and show "This is the team, this is the connection". I just don't feel it with these guys mostly so while I see the goal, I don't see how it reaches that goal.
That is very fair. They honest should have done something small like in phase 1. Set up the main players to take down a starting level treat and work your way back up
@@GIGio_Official But they haven't even started assembling the team! I mean, from Phase 1, we had the idea that the team is being assembled. We got a movie for each key player, with Nick Fury and Coulson contacting every one of them and presenting them with the idea of creating the superhero team (usually in the post-credit scene). The OG6 were always the core and heart of the whole saga. Every new character that was introduced interacted with THEM either before their solo movie (Spider-Man, Black Panther), during their solo movie (Doctor Strange's post-credit scene) or shortly after (Ant-Man in Civil War). The only exception were Guardians but they were in space, doing their own thing, so that was okay. The Avengers fell apart after the war with Thanos, which seems believable, but since that moment there has been zero mentions of maybe reactivating the team. The only (semi) official superhero team disappears, which should be a huge deal for America, if not for the whole world, and no one seems to care. The government did try to replace Steve with Walker (which was a logical move on their part) but aside from that neither the authorities, nor the heroes themselves are interested in reactivating the Avengers or creating a new team of heroes to protect the Earth from future dangers. This issue is never mentioned by anyone. It's like those characters doesn't exist in the same universe anymore. Edit: Well, we can guess Valentina is doing just that at the moment. But (1) we don't really know what she's doing so we can't be much excited about it, (2) she gives the impression of gathering a team of villains rather than heroes, (3) she appears so rarely that her endeavour, whatever it is, doesn't feel like something huge (and in the meantime we get tons of new and mostly boring characters we don't see the point of).
I also think that Kang/Secret Wars was the wrong follow up to the Infinity Saga. I think it should've been Phases 7-9 instead. This Saga should've been about the world after Thanos and dealt with that. Young Avengers, Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers, X-Men and mutant oppressions, the FF. All of it about how the world is now and the new teams to take the franchise forward. Think about it, who is even the team thats supposed to fight Kang? Iron Man's dead, Chris Evans is done withe his role, Chris Hemsworth is semi-retired due to medical issues. Is Scott going to form a new team? There is no Avengers at this point and so far no new team has been formed to replace them. The Fantastic Four isn't even coming until Phase 6 itself. So we have She-Hulk, War Machine, and Falcon Cap along with Scott and Janet? That's not going to get people rushing to the theater. This was the perfect chance to bring in the X-Men and Fantastic Four in Phase 4 along with the other teams I mentioned and make Phase 4 and 5 about who the world will turn to for protection against the next Thanos level event and then make the final battle the Kree/Skrull War. That would be an awesome Saga ending film. A war film where the heroes have to fight the battle of New York on a global scale and realize that going forward the Avengers alone won't be enough to always save them, thus justifying the other teams. Then you can do Secret Wars with Kang fighting Doom and introduce the Beyonders to do the story properly. And end it with a reset button to recast the original Avengers team with new actors and take the franchise further. And this was just off the top of my head, literally almost a stream of concousness thing and I did better then Marvel/Disney did.
Phase 4 was weird to me, I got a lot of enjoyment out of Hawkeye, Falcon and the Winter Soldier (mainly through Sam and Bucky themselves, Karli freaking sucks), Loki, Moon Knight, Shang-Chi, the Guardians Holiday Special, and especially No Way Home, but everything else was…it was something, WandaVision was good on the first viewing but didn’t have good payoff for the questions and is only fine on other viewings, Black Widow had Yelena and Red Guardian but it came out at the wrong time after Endgame instead of after Civil War/before Infinity War and they turned Taskmaster from possibly one of the comic’s most interesting villains into a mindless drone, What If had good episodes like the murder mystery one with Fury but then we get ones like the Zombies episode where every single thing there aside from Spider-Man (mostly, like dude, why aren’t you against killing these zombies if you all are looking for a freaking cure?!) and Bucky (why couldn’t the whole episode be like Bucky’s fight with Zombie Cap) made me wanna role my eyes so much that they’d start spinning around for all eternity because of it, Eternals is easily their worst movie in my eyes with only a few good characters (one of which they killed), a villain that doesn’t even need to be there, seriously I literally forgot Kro existed when I watched it, and it was just boring, Multiverse of Madness gave me enough enjoyment to say I thought it was good but man was it disappointing with a bunch of things, Wanda became so unlikable, and America Chavez was just a constant damsel in distress (are you freaking kidding me Raimi 🤦🏻♂️) and a Deus Ex Machina at the end, I haven’t seen Ms. Marvel and Werewolf by Night yet so I can’t say for those, Love and Thunder I got some enjoyment but it really made me realize that Taika’s style doesn’t fit with Thor at all especially with the end of Asgard and a godkiller (I still love Ragnarok but it got knocked down some because of this movie), She-Hulk has so many problems that it’s definitely the MCU at its worst even with Daredevil and “Yes! Wong!” (if you know, you know), and Wakanda Forever used its emotion really well but was kinda boring and I do not plan on rewatching anytime soon which is the opposite of the first movie. Thank goodness we’ve now got Guardians 3, the MCU desperately needed something great after No Way Home
Wanda Makimof could have been that one villain that is bad, but still tries to avoid hurting the ones they love. And maybe she could have had a darker more evil mentor pushing her from the shadows. And eventually after several confrontations she will be made to make a choice between good and evil. BUT NO!!! They just killed her
To be honest, I have to agree with Mauler and EFAP on Phase four; it's actually impressive with how bad phase four was in systematically destroying everything in the MCU. And while the consoomers/ and stans will try to downplay the effects, the fact that, excluding this latest Guardians film, Marvel is delaying projects, getting in new directors and writers goes to show how cataclysmic phase for has been. For me, my breaking point was Multiverse of Madness. Doctor Strange is my favorite superhero so to see him butchered and such an awful movie; it felt like I was kicked in the nuts and insulted for liking him. All in all, Marvel needs a full reboot in order to wipe out Phase four. Just say Mephisto put everyone in a coma/ asleep and start from there. Phase five isn't going to save the MCU. Nothing will outside a full reboot.
I wish you watched Agents of SHIELD instead of this dumpster fire. They were made during the best phases of the MCU, when characters and their stories were at the core Marvel. Aside from the weak beginning(first half of the first season to be precise) it's a fantastic show which I can definitely recommend.
I just realize something I don’t know for sure exactly, but I think you should tackle it and tell us why Netflix Marvel TV shows are very different from Disney’s Marvel TV shows.
I don’t agree with the tva take in which characters in the mcu still have free will in which they didn’t know at the time ab time travel and currently don’t know about the tva, so whether iron man carried that nuke or not is his decision that’s not impacted by the tva in which they only interfere when irregularities occur in the timeline that could affect the sacred timeline. The tva just know what is gonna happen and when it’s gonna happen based on their decision and they don’t interfere unless there is inconsistency with time. This also begs a question regarding philosophy about predestination. If everything in your life is predestined to happen a certain way is it free will? In which I would assume yes, because whether I slap my mom tommorw or not is still an act of free will in which no matter what my predestined outcome would be, is a merit of my own actions.
My only thing I don't agree with is the TVA stuff. It doesn't take meaning from other events, but it shows the insane power and control of Kang. And if ge was done right with the rest of phase 4-6, would have been amazing. I don't think the tva was the problem. It was everything afterwards that ruined the concept.
This why The comics is way better. Black Widow: Her sisters hates her and wants her dead as a villain in the comics, red guardian is her ex husband. Thor is a Shakespearean warrior god who cares about his friends, not some overweight jerk. Vision got nerfed pretty bad. Wanda Turning evil is a good idea and is comic accurate but the MCU kinda ruined it.
Iron man 3 was trash iron man 2 was trash captain America 1 was trash. Age of ultron was trash thor dark world was trash. Antman 2 was trash. Spiderman homecoming was trash. So why people act like the Infinity saga was this great body of work
I’d argue that Loki’s show ruined it. They act like Endgame created the Multiverse when Doctor Strange clearly states that the Multiverse existed before.
3:23-3:43, One aspect of the Black Widow film that how much Natasha runs from her past and tried to reinvent herself as a SHIELD agent and then a superhero in order to redeem herself in her own eyes. However, she ultimately accepts that no amount of good she does in the present will ever be truly enough if she doesn’t face all the pain and fear the Red Room and her fake parents caused her and the horrible things she did to escape that fear and pain. The idea in there is solid, but the execution of that idea was muddled in the film's many flaws. 4:06, And with Love And Thunder, Thor’s feeble attempts to cope with his many losses through adventure and fighting and ultimately becoming a less efficient and compassionate hero because of it is made into an obnoxious joke and Thor himself into an self-absorbed, immature moron, the kind of “god” Gorr wants exterminated. This stories only saving grace is Thor seemingly overcoming this flaw and deciding opening himself up to caring about others even if he could lose them, again, a solid idea with poor execution. 8:10, Most of these groups are so far removed from each other there’s no real points they would intersect (except, of course, the TVA) and most of the groups specifically choose to hide their existence for various reasons. Meanwhile, the Ten Rings have been around since Iron Man but otherwise kept a low profile, the Red Room was mentioned all the way back in Age of Ultron but was thought disbanded by Natasha, Namor and Talocan purposefully hide from the surface and only emerged when they felt their presence was close to being discovered due to the vibrainium detector, and the Eternals disbanded centuries ago over disagreements on how to handle humans and had chosen to live as regular civilians, only regrouping when one of their own was slain. 12:14, This aspect is actually really on point, though there is an additional issue. With the excess of content being thrown at us and the continued theme of each of these characters having to either find themselves or learn to believe in themselves, it can become a monotonous experience watching them. We have Loki learning true self esteem and taking responsibility for his own actions and flaws (something his main counterpart never had the chance to), Bucky overcoming his trauma of all the lives he ruined as the Winter Soldier, Sam establishing his worthiness to carry Steve’s mantle, John Walker’s insecurities with having to live up to a mantle he isn’t worthy of, Wanda coming to terms with her grief and her crimes (before the Darkhold shoves her right back into the depths of insanity), Kamala finding the confidence to be her own hero (even if there’s no consequence of doing so since her parents accept her without issue), Jen finding her worth outside of She-Hulk (by literally rewriting herself out of a story she doesn't like), America Chavez learning to trust her power (after Strange gives her a brief pep talk rather than any real development on her part), Shuri overcoming her grief to carry on her mother and brother’s legacies as benevolent but vigilant rulers, Kate Bishop learning that being a hero isn’t always glamorous or rewarding, Marc and Steven learning to accept each other and themselves and both Shang Chi and Natasha learning not to run from their pasts. While some of these examples do have meaningful resolutions that expand the characters beyond were they previously were, particularly Loki, Moon Knight, Sam, Bucky and John, its still the same kind of arc for each of these characters and is done better and with greater impact for some than others. 26:44, This one might actually be one of the better projects considering how different it is from anything else surrounding it, with interesting characters and a story that just has fun with its premise.
I encourage y'all to check out "Everything Everywhere All at Once" if the MCU's Multiverse Saga isn't doing it for ya. It's a personal favorite of mine. No guarantees that you'll like the movie, but just a suggestion.
I really like three characters from Phase 4 - John Walker, Mark Spector and Yelena Belova. Plus maybe Valentina. Those are the only ones I'd like to see in the future. I like Kamala, Kate and Sonya (from Secret Invasion), too, when they're on screen, but I'd be perfectly fine with never seeing them again.
16:04 I think that the biggest problem with Ms. Marvel is that, outside of all of the #relatable references to Muslim culture and history, there's little to no substance to the story or characters.
My huge problem with Phase 4 is how characters are flanderixed compared to the comic counterparts See the Eternals, created by Jack Kirby who also created many other characters alongside Stan Lee and Joe Simon and created the New Gods, the Eternals are Marvel’s answer to the New Gods only by the fact the Eternals and Deviants are offshoots of humanity, similar to mutants or the Inhumans, in the MCU? They are fucking robots and the Deviants are generic monsters, or how about we look at Moon Knight, in the comics, Mr. Knight is also as brutal as Moon Knight, but in the MCU he is a joke. Another major problem is them not referencing past events, like again, in the Eternals, Sersi and the others freeze the Celestial coming out of Earth, this giant ass Celestial has been sticking out like a sore thumb and you see ZERO discussion on it in-universe like why????! They just think that is normal? In conclusion it will never happen and it’s too late but they should reboot the MCU
Yeah if Marvel’s Avengers did something better than the MCU, we’ve got a massive problem at this point (though either way, I’d take Super Hero Squad Modok over either of them any day of the century)
I'll concede that Phase 4 as a whole was pretty bad. But to me, I liked a lot of the projects individually. NWH, Hawkeye, WF, Moon Knight, WandaVision. But again, while a lot of the projects individually are pretty good, the phase as a whole wasn't.
It’s honestly really heart breaking for me to see what phase 4 did to the MCU. Growing up with these movies from age 12 to now at 22 the marvel movies hold a really special place in my heart. So so seeing what it has become makes me so sad. I feel no connection to any of the new characters. Not even close to the love I had for the OG ones. I knew it was ganna be hard to top what they did with the infinity saga but omg there is no reason it should have gotten so bad
My biggest issue with Phase 4 was that it felt like the story was just wasting the viewers time with about 90% of the projects just being self contained stories that barely affect the world overall & the only projects that really matter are Loki, Spider-Man NWH, Doctor Strange 2 & Wandavision which are the best recieved by fans because they actually affect the world & are fun & creative with their premises. So I am confused why instead of making more projects like this they keep trying to focus on Street level characters that have subpar abilites or on people who have no powers at all who mainly just use guns or hand to hand combat this feels like something they should have done WAY back in Phase 1 or 2 where the movies were played mostly safe & they went for a more grounded tone. Not in Phase 4 where we have firmly established things like Magic, Infinity Stones, Alien Empires & a villain that has control over time itself. So please tell me how someone like Echo or Daredevil are going to be helpful in the fight against Kang & his 1000 variants?.
To be fair the Ten rings existed long before Phase 4 but it was more or so high lighted more in Phase 4 Edit Also, the sacred timeline it was explained in avengers endgame
In terms of the TVA's sacred timeline, that pruning concept doesn't actually exist in the main MCU timeline anymore. That whole story (so far) is just the explanation for how the multiverse happened. What if and Multiverse of Madness prove that there is no sacred timeline anymore. He who remains was trying to prevent the multiversal war, and the events of Loki season 2 destroyed the sacred timeline and made every reality valid. Even then, the MCU was never devoid of choice. The concept of the sacred timeline was simply that certain choices kept the multiverse war from happening. So technically speaking, the characters agency never changed in their timeline, they simply made choices the TVA liked, and that doesn't even matter anymore. Endgame talked aboutbthe multiverse and the TVA exists outside of time to begin with. That whole series was just an awkward origin for the multiverse and an introduction to the TVA. As sloppy as that into was, that still doesn't mean that it takes character agency away.
Just one thing. A character changing in a story is not always what a story requires. For example, in One piece. The story is about how Luffy changes the world, not how the world changes him. So he changes just a little throughout the story. I state this specifically for Shang Chi. It's mostly about the son changing the father. And him accepting the loss. As well as telling us what kind of person Shang Chi was. Not to mention him reconciling with his family, as shown with him using the abilities of both his mother and father in the final battle. That was the point. A good introduction to him. He didn't need to change so much by the end. But there definitely was an arc. I don't want to write a whole essay though. However, the person who required the most change in the story was the villain. So in the end, he saw in his son, what he lost in his wife. Symbolised by him seeing his son use the same moves the mom used on him the first day they met
The Infinity Saga was perfection. Sure there were some bumps like Thor: The Dark World, but 99% of the time, it never ceased to amaze. Avengers: Endgame even proved it with its legendary finale and its dark tone in its first half. Plus, it’s the best superhero film imo. (Enjoyed it most, as well as the fact that it used to be highest grossing until Avatar made rereleases) Endgame and the rest of the Infinity Saga is the MCU at its best. The Multiverse Saga feels like a downgrade version of the Infinity Saga. The only good one in Phase 4 is NWH, only because of nostalgia. Phase 5 had a disappointing start with the lackluster box office bomb Ant-Man 3. GOTG 3 carried with a good conclusion, but controversial age rating. Multiverse Saga is mid at best like Hawkeye or WandaVision, and at worst, absolute dumpster fires like Ant Man 3, She Hulk, Thor 4, or Eternals. They even made stupid retcons, that even a baby can tell a story better than them. Deadpool 3 feels like MCU’s last hope. TKD and SW seem promising, but they’re gonna have the same boring new woke characters. How to fix: - Hire better writers and directors - Quality over Quantity - Treat VFX workers better - Give more depth to characters - Don’t focus too much on representation because story still matters. If Endgame was able to succeed in it, then, they should have too. But no, so they need to do it in future Let me know what you think 👇
I think it was doomed the second they started replacing characters. They killed off Stark and replaced him with Iron Heatt. Retired Steve Rogers, (and eventually killed him off) and replaced him with Sam. Retired Banner and replaced him with She hulk, etc. The original six characters are the faces of the MCU, and will continue to be in the eyes of fans forever. You cant just replace them with crappier, rushed versions. Marvel need to look at their recent successful characters with Moon Knight, Spiderman, Kang, etc. and see that adding other characters to the MCU is clearly better than lazily replacing old ones. Marvel has an entire 60-year comic franchise of characters to utilize.
"The MCU had no free will" Well considering that all the events of the MCU occured before the TVA was created (in the 31st century and also outside of time), I'm gonna go ahead and say that's not true.
I get what you are saying but in the first episode of Loki, Loki question why not take in the Avengers for time traveling and the TVA says that was meant to happen. So if they are acknowledging that event in endgame where meant to happen, that also means that everything that lead to them making that time travel decision was also meant to happen. meaning No free will. Thats on me I should have definitely included that clip
@@GIGio_Official "Meant to happen" in the sense that it already happened. It's established that creating a Nexus Event is extremely rare. Imagine if I time traveled to the beginning of the month, but changed nothing. Would your choices have been different? What if I did that 100 times? You still would have made the same choices you did before because choices naturally come from a person's personality.
Phase 4 is the absolute botched garbage season 2 to a great season 1 (Phases 1-3). Almost like great writing and compelling characters are what keep people coming back 🤔
Achly you are wrong the tva ONLY has problems when you miss or fuck up major events. For example I do a 360 randomly they don't care WHITCH way I start but only care that I did the 360
Knowing Gio’s thoughts on Kang makes me wonder what he thinks of the announcement that he’s been replaced as the Multiverse Saga’s big bad by Doctor Doom
This was a fantastic video, but i would like to point out two things. For one, what Wanda did is 100% in line with her character and is something she did not once, but twice in the comics before Doctor Strange put her in comatose, and second imo Ms.MARVEL was a steaming pile of dogshit. Everything else was 100% spot on tho and editing was fantastic.
So glad Thor ragnarok was the last Thor movie i wathced. There were scenes where his actions were weird and the plot was writen just for the funnies but it had an interesting story to see Thor overcome the need of his hammer to use his powers. And that is pretty cool. Everything else flew over my head from that movie and i didnt find it important enough to remember
I just like to pretend that phase 4 doesn’t exist especially for nat, Thor, and wanda
everything after Endgame was a fever dream. lol
@@GIGio_Officialthe only thing I’ll acknowledge is Spider-Man no way home that is the only thing that was left unscathed
@@Theben10matrixesWandas character assassination in m.o.m was so bad it drags down the overall quality of the movie and no one can convince me otherwise
@@coleodonoghue2981 I know right and wtf does she mean she’s not a monster, she was gonna sacrifice a kid
@@GIGio_Officialbro can you make a arrowsverse timeline
Can we get a “Oh my God! They killed Kang!” catchphrase going
YESS!
What I why don't understand about the TVA is that is their is no multiple timeline that wouldn't that means the multiverse doesn't exist as well, because isn't the multiverse created due to the choice or decision we did and did not take
This guy is definitely definition of taking a chill pill
I have ran out.
On a side note , could u do a video on GOTGV3
Hard maybe. Need to watch it first
Yeah all of the new characters are kinda boring. I miss the old characters. (Iron man, Cap, Nat, T’challa, Hulk, Thor, etc.
HE UPLOADED!!!! Also what are you opinions on the new flash season so far
Pain
Hey Gio, great video and all of these were great points.
I cannot express how much I hate She-Hulk and Ant-man 3 (what's sad is that I was actually looking forward to this one).
However, I did want to mention something and you can stop me if I've missed something.
But wasn't the point of Loki showing that free will DOES exist? We find out in the finale that the "sacred' timeline really isn’t that sacred as it's just the only timeline Kang was comfortable with existinng as it wouldn't spawn any of his variants.
This means that free will does exist and from Kang's monologue, it's what caused the first multiversal war.
The main reason he enslaved the "sacred" timeline was because he didn't want that to happen again. So while yes, free will was sort of taken away, Loki also showed us that it's an innate part of the mutiverse as when Kang died, the Multiverse immediately started branching out again creating his variants.
Unless you meant it in a meta way like with the actual writers and executives at Marvel, then I guess that's a completely different story.
I don't know, that part didn't nearly bother me as much as I'm a fan of stories with a set beginning, middle and end (destiny) especially when it comes to time travel so maybe I wasn't seeing red like you were.
Also take back what you said about "What If...?" It was amazing, I will fight you on that XD
Overall, I guess I'm still sticking with the MCU for the long ride. I'm like the only optimistic fan they have so guess who's paying their bills. Phase 4 was a mess, there's no denying that but it did bring some interesting ideas I hope they flesh out going forward.
Things do seem to be looking up though as they've promised to slow down on projects and market the stories that truly matter. That and Guardians 3 was actually amazing. Will Marvel improve after all these changes? Who knows? I just don't want Superhero media to die out already and have the one successful cinematic universe be reduced to nothing but we'll see.
Please make more flash videos I enjoy them and videos like this are good
Hot take: I don't like stories with multiverses because they lower the stakes of everything. I can tolerate time travel if it's written well and doesn't fall apart, but multiverses just make the original plot feel less important. I instantly stopped caring about everything the Avengers built in their reality when it was confirmed there are countless multiverses of them. If one dies, there are still 9999 left.
Can you review thundercats roar and see why it’s an insult to all 80s cartoons.
I have to say Spider-Man No Way Home,Hawkeye,Moon Knight,Werewolf by Night,I Am Groot,and The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special(The Beautiful Twisted Mind of James Gunn is Not Worthy to Exist) is the Best Part of the MCU Phase 4,Hell Controversial or Not I have a Soft Spot with Loki,What If…….,Kinda Shang Chi,and Doctor Strange and The Multiverse of Madness,However I can’t say the Same Thing with Black Widow,WandaVision,Falcon and the Winter Soldier,Ms.Marvel,Eternals,Thor:Love and Thunder,She-Hulk: Attorney at Law,and Black Panther Wakanda Forever broke my Sanity,the Trust of their Fans,and their whole Universe Thanks to Phase 4,ever Since Endgame and Far from Home I Got this Weird Feeling Phase 4 was Off but I didn’t Known it was going to be THIS ATROCIOUS,Marvel Studios taking Notes on the CW DC Shows and turning the MCU to Movies and Series on Disney+ was a Terrible Mistake Like It or Not,Legacy Characters are a Joke or are Killed Off,there’s More Bad Legacy Characters and Few Good Ones,the Stories are a Complete Mess with No Direction or Any Idea on What to Do,they’re putting Political Things which aren’t Necessarily,the Villains are some of the Worst and Dumbest the MCU has Done,and the Kang Arc is Mishandling the Build Up so Bad that the Established Lore either Won’t Matter or it’s Retconned like Star Wars is,I Don’t Know if Marvel Studios would Recover from This Disaster,We Got Messes like Quantumania but Masterpieces like Vol.3,the MCU is a Gamble at the Moment,Sure they Fire One of the Many People that Tainted the Brand,all We Can Do is Wait and See if they Fix the Current Problems while Not Screwing Up the Fantastic Four and the X-Men,Hope to See You in the Flash Finale,There’s Alot to Talk About and Work to Do if it’s Going to be Huge,Good Luck G.I. Gio on this 9 Years to the Final Run.
Thanks man! And great comment as always. Honestly it boggles my mind how downhill the MCU has gone. Phase 4 should have been smaller. Focus on the new headliners for the universe and bring them together similar to phase 1. As always I still have hope, but I'm extremely skeptical. And pray for me because this flash video is about to take years off my life
only Hawkeye, Loki and No Way Home got my full attention
Before I watch this video, the only things in Phase Four I have seen are WandaVision, Ms. Marvel, What If...?, much of the first episode and other parts of Loki, the first many minutes of the first episode of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, most of She-Hulk (have not seen the remaining few) and all the movies (except Wakanda Forever). Which sections should I skip that spoil those I haven't seen?
@26:21-26:23
You weren't lying about Marvel's "What If...?" Nobody gave a shit about that show and it just finished its' second seasom, last winter and its' previous show-runner left. And now, it's been anounced by the new show-runner that *"What If...? (Season Three)" will be the final season of the show.
The 10 rings were in Iron Man one
but we didn't know they where a group that went back from ancient China.
True
People were able to criticize Wakanda Forever, and Moon Knight, but couldn't criticize the Holiday event Guardians of the Galaxy? People just do what they do in units I see...
Me I'm just incredibly biased towards Christmas movies 😅
Endgame is the perfect name
But you’re still gonna watch it so…..
That is fair. I am part of the problem
John Walker did nothing wrong
I miss the low stakes along with the plots being easy to follow.
some writers think every bad guy has to be a bigger physical threat that punches harder or have crazier abilities than the last, and Marvel had already reached universal killing power with Thanos half a dozen movies ago. Now we're in territory where the stakes are always so high the entire movie's plot becomes utter nonsense.
@@Zonedoutallthetimeit’s how the comics work dude, thanos is nothing compared to so many villainous characters. Also, if they just went back to weaker ones after endgame, they’d take them down way too easily
Me too.
You did a banger job on doubling down the many issues with phase 4. I'm actually shocked by several points you made like Black Widow having a family before the Avengers since I didn't even consider that as a flaw. Speaking of which, I want to mention how there's seemingly no consistent interaction between the creative teams on each project. For example, Joe and Anthony Russo previously confirmed that Hulk's arm was permanently damaged in Avengers: Endgame and that he will never be the same. But She-Hulk completely ruined that by having Jen's blood be the cure for his arm, which takes away from some of the impact Endgame left on the MCU. I probably don't even need to dive into Wanda's sudden turn to villany off-screen after Wandavision. Point is the writers of the MCU aren't even talking to each other and it could only get worse from here. The only stuff I really like from Phase 4 are What If, Hawkeye and of course, No Way Home.....Although I'm worried that I won't have fun with Hawkeye anymore with Black Widow's retcon. Either way, there's been a lot of crap coming out of Marvel these past two or three years and I'm already losing hope for Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars.
Anyway, good video and I may now even consider signing up for your patreon!
Thanks man! I'm so glad you enjoyed the video. And yeah there is clearly a lot less oversite over phase 4 than what there was in the prior phases of the MCU. Like i'm actually shocked that all of these problems where approved or let slide. It really makes me concerned for the future. But lets hope things get better
@@GIGio_Official I’m sure your video is going to be a great video but I’m just sayin I know this was made before Guardians 3 but I think that movie was perfect even better than No Way Home
I will always be thankful that Dr. Strange blatantly mentioned a multiverse with multiple universes to contradict what Loki mentioned. Had it not been for that movie Loki would have ruined the entire continuity.
The Way Marvel handled the multiverse was exstreamly overcomplicated when all they had to do was say, hey its a thing. Not whatever crap they tried to do with Loki
I miss black window she is one the most OG characters in marvel we saw what happened after she die it left a huge impact on the Avengers
True as fuck
I thought I remembered Shang going through a little bit of an arc where he eventually decides to stop running from his past and, by extension his future. Maybe my mind made that up as part of the denial stage.
you can't make this shit up
Tell that mind of yours to get its shit together
Amongst all the problems Marvels has right now. Probably the biggest hole is that Phase 4 had no overarching story. Once audiences realized that, they paid closer attention to the cracks that the lack of forethought and lore care (past and/or future)Marvel has laid out past phase 3, the audiences decided to check out.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Yeah people still go see the movies but it has become more mindless watching.
@@GIGio_Official Ever wonder why Marvel started gearing toward women audiences? Making a business model geared entirely for nerds isn't sustainable.
Marvel I believe tried to make excuses such as sloppily announcing Secret Invasion sometime during a phase 4 and then comic fanboys shouted, “See they’re creating a plan now!”
Yeah, they created one then but only once a few failed projects began streaming underway
@@Thomasmemoryscentral Wow, no respect for Kevin Fiege. Nerds will throw each other under the bus. Meanwhile Zack Snyder doesn't seem to respect nerds. He doesn't like mainstream DC and Marvel comics. He likes the more hardcore comics/ graphic novels. Forgot the name but it was in a 2022 interview
@@suzygirl1843what’s funny though is I’m a girl and absolutely love marvel. But the second they went woke and geared toward feminism or whatever I started to not like it. Black widow was my favorite female lead because they didn’t shove the fact she was a women in my face. I loved her because the character herself had amazing depth and development. I hated she hulk because of them not doing this. I especially hated the scene when she was crying about being cat called or something to Bruce of all people as if being cat called was WORSE than everything Bruce went though. So stupid. That doesn’t relate to me at all as a women. Like yeah being cat called can be annoying but they can’t beat down Bruce’s character and experiences to build hers up. I wish they’d just put some care and depth into their characters regardless of gender roles like they did with phases 1-3.
I knew that it was over when they turned Avengers Loki, not Infinity War Loki, into a do gooder and whiny simp in the first episode of his show
Black Widow was also trash and Wandavision ended stupidly when it had mostly solid episodes but that was the end for me. NWH is a Sony movie to me so I'm not counting it.
But Guardians 3 is something that I can say will be the best concluding movie for me and makes me hyped for DC.
Yeah that Loki moment stun locked me in real life. I was baffled. I'm watching GOTG3 Friday so I can't wait to see that and for James Gunn to save DC
You poor man, you suffer to make GOATED content.
May the Flash be less of a pain...though I doubt that highly lmao
Thanks Ark. And no. The Flash is not less pain. Not even close.
@@GIGio_Official ohno.mp3
This video was amazing! I didn't even catch the travesty the writers of LOKI committed until you first spoke about it on Twitter! 100% agree on everything!
I'm so glad you liked it! Thank you so much for the support
@@GIGio_Official P.S. I love the Walking Dead reference! I'm currently watching S6.
@@novelwriter3503 as much as I love Loki, I gotta agree that it pretty much destroyed the MCU lore. As for Walking Dead, oh boy you're gonna be in for a really rough ride for seasons 7 and 8.
and you still enjoyed Loki tv show, right? So only after watching some review where someone tell you that there are flaws, you changed your mind?
We are all easily influenced on what other say about the product.
That is also reason why most of the movies flop in the cinema because everyone nowadays is critique and when someone says movie is bad, it must be truth, right?
The other issue with the Phase 4 heroes (newbies) is that most of them aren’t even popular or liked in the comics. So there’s even less people who want to see them as opposed to before in the other phases all those heroes were known and popular and had a fanbase so that got viewers but these newbies don’t have that plus people are getting hero fatigue so they might not want to take a chance on a hero they’ve never heard of
The fact that they have heard of these heroes from mediocre movies and stuff is bad for their reputation
But it worked with guardians but just make the character atleast really well written than even if the plot sucks then people will atleast wanna see that character again
nobody knew about Iron Man before his movie came out in 2008 and look at how he ended up popular as all hell and people want to see him back from the dead
@@dutch7207 Exactly it worked for them bcz it's not hero fatigue it's bad product fatigue( Tv show/movie). Quality > quantity.
@@thealchemist5653 for example no way home plot is not that good since you need to destroy doctor strange character for the story to happen but peter parker arc in that movie is amazing and leaves you wanting more. Aside from walker and moon knight i don't care to see other character ever again( i don't wanna see the guardians again since their ending is great and I don't wanna see it ruined)
You did a great job adressing MCU phase 4 issues. Aside from Kang sucks that you stated, multiverse as an idea was promising. the execution was a piss poor in phase 4 and beginning of phase 5 with Ant-Man 3. I went to see Guardians 3 for conclusion to the story of those characters and i loved. Its about Rocket and zero mentions about multiverse.
Thanks man! And yeah the execution has been really bad. I am hoping now that they have a direction with the multiverse they can turn it around.
You are the FIRST and only person to acknowledge how Darren replicated Pym particles in Antman. Now this movie is even worse!!! I thought it wasn’t possible but that is a MAJOR plot hole damn.
I’m also still confused why the TVA didn’t go after the avengers during endgame.
"What they did was supposed to happen"
You’re absolutely right. I think they did Wanda Maximoff dirty by not letting her become a full on villain. What destroyed WandaVision was that terrible finale at the end, when Monica Rambeau basically rationalized Wanda’s actions as “self-sacrifice” when Hayward was right, she was a terrorist playing out some deluded fantasy of Leave It To Beaver and mentally tortured an entire town of people. Funny how Agatha Harkness was supposed to be evil, but if it wasn’t for her meddling, Wanda would have never let them go in the first place. I can buy her gaslighting Vision and lying to herself about the people she mind controlled being at peace, but I wish the characters around her didn’t echo that sentiment. They had an interesting precursor to the downfall of an Avenger, and it would have been really interesting to see Hawkeye’s reaction to that - even old man Steve’s…but ofc that will never happen.
I like Yelena. John Walker is alright but they rushed his redemption.
Disagree on Shuri. I hated her in BP1 and I thought they really made her work on WF. Unfortunately, the annoying character quota remained and filled by Riri and Contessa.
John Walker is so hated by a certain crazy percentage of the fan base and probably normies too that the actor himself temporarily received death threats. Not joking, this is real during the original run of FATWS
It started with Captain Marvel. Phase 4 was just following that as a trend.
Story and lore-ruining retcons? Check. Ruining established characters to hype a new one? The biggest offender, since the established characters (aside from Fury) only appear at the post credit and it still managed to do that. Bland presentation? Check.
Yeah. It's a damn shame how fast this shit has fallen
Mcu phase 4 was like starwars episode 7 8 and 9, lack of direction and throwing on characters you know and love but then to make them useless or destroy there back story, then throw lots of new boring characters with no character archs.
God history really does repeat itself
For what Marvel needs to do, to quote Sam: "Do better." Unlike Sam can actually elaborate on what they can do. Like dont jump into something as big as Kang. A thought can go into Thunderbolts as like the idea of government trying to make people heroes in the spotlight like Jonathan Walker. Speaking of Marvel is Doomed could have also done Doctor Doom or Mister Sinister. Like Thanos or Kang could hint at them while building a the potential avengers. While might be odd to introduce them without their heroes could use the time to build up their characters and not kill them. Also think secret societies can work if recently formed or maybe instead of the ten rings playing major in history to the point where how has no one heard them to secret and minor roles throughout China and neighborhooding areas. You know doing the secret part of a secret society. Im sure there are other points besides mentioned in the video.
I definitely agree. Marvel is trying to go too big too fast, when what benefited them before was the slow burn of thanos. Now they just want to speed run another 10 years worth of movies in 5.
15:47 Can we all just agree that John Walker was the best thing to come out of The Multiverse Saga?
I think the biggest issue is the lack of an Avengers type movie. Something to pull everyone together and show "This is the team, this is the connection". I just don't feel it with these guys mostly so while I see the goal, I don't see how it reaches that goal.
That is very fair. They honest should have done something small like in phase 1. Set up the main players to take down a starting level treat and work your way back up
@@GIGio_Official But they haven't even started assembling the team! I mean, from Phase 1, we had the idea that the team is being assembled. We got a movie for each key player, with Nick Fury and Coulson contacting every one of them and presenting them with the idea of creating the superhero team (usually in the post-credit scene). The OG6 were always the core and heart of the whole saga. Every new character that was introduced interacted with THEM either before their solo movie (Spider-Man, Black Panther), during their solo movie (Doctor Strange's post-credit scene) or shortly after (Ant-Man in Civil War). The only exception were Guardians but they were in space, doing their own thing, so that was okay.
The Avengers fell apart after the war with Thanos, which seems believable, but since that moment there has been zero mentions of maybe reactivating the team. The only (semi) official superhero team disappears, which should be a huge deal for America, if not for the whole world, and no one seems to care. The government did try to replace Steve with Walker (which was a logical move on their part) but aside from that neither the authorities, nor the heroes themselves are interested in reactivating the Avengers or creating a new team of heroes to protect the Earth from future dangers. This issue is never mentioned by anyone. It's like those characters doesn't exist in the same universe anymore.
Edit: Well, we can guess Valentina is doing just that at the moment. But (1) we don't really know what she's doing so we can't be much excited about it, (2) she gives the impression of gathering a team of villains rather than heroes, (3) she appears so rarely that her endeavour, whatever it is, doesn't feel like something huge (and in the meantime we get tons of new and mostly boring characters we don't see the point of).
Phase 4 has only had like 3 or 4 good projects, and like 15 bad ones
Ya phase 4's good to bad ratio is fucked beyond belief
I also think that Kang/Secret Wars was the wrong follow up to the Infinity Saga. I think it should've been Phases 7-9 instead.
This Saga should've been about the world after Thanos and dealt with that. Young Avengers, Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers, X-Men and mutant oppressions, the FF. All of it about how the world is now and the new teams to take the franchise forward.
Think about it, who is even the team thats supposed to fight Kang? Iron Man's dead, Chris Evans is done withe his role, Chris Hemsworth is semi-retired due to medical issues. Is Scott going to form a new team? There is no Avengers at this point and so far no new team has been formed to replace them. The Fantastic Four isn't even coming until Phase 6 itself. So we have She-Hulk, War Machine, and Falcon Cap along with Scott and Janet? That's not going to get people rushing to the theater.
This was the perfect chance to bring in the X-Men and Fantastic Four in Phase 4 along with the other teams I mentioned and make Phase 4 and 5 about who the world will turn to for protection against the next Thanos level event and then make the final battle the Kree/Skrull War. That would be an awesome Saga ending film. A war film where the heroes have to fight the battle of New York on a global scale and realize that going forward the Avengers alone won't be enough to always save them, thus justifying the other teams.
Then you can do Secret Wars with Kang fighting Doom and introduce the Beyonders to do the story properly. And end it with a reset button to recast the original Avengers team with new actors and take the franchise further.
And this was just off the top of my head, literally almost a stream of concousness thing and I did better then Marvel/Disney did.
Compared to everything else we got from phase 4 Spider-Man No Way Home was a godsend and I will cherish that movie for years to come
Phase 4 was weird to me, I got a lot of enjoyment out of Hawkeye, Falcon and the Winter Soldier (mainly through Sam and Bucky themselves, Karli freaking sucks), Loki, Moon Knight, Shang-Chi, the Guardians Holiday Special, and especially No Way Home, but everything else was…it was something, WandaVision was good on the first viewing but didn’t have good payoff for the questions and is only fine on other viewings, Black Widow had Yelena and Red Guardian but it came out at the wrong time after Endgame instead of after Civil War/before Infinity War and they turned Taskmaster from possibly one of the comic’s most interesting villains into a mindless drone, What If had good episodes like the murder mystery one with Fury but then we get ones like the Zombies episode where every single thing there aside from Spider-Man (mostly, like dude, why aren’t you against killing these zombies if you all are looking for a freaking cure?!) and Bucky (why couldn’t the whole episode be like Bucky’s fight with Zombie Cap) made me wanna role my eyes so much that they’d start spinning around for all eternity because of it, Eternals is easily their worst movie in my eyes with only a few good characters (one of which they killed), a villain that doesn’t even need to be there, seriously I literally forgot Kro existed when I watched it, and it was just boring, Multiverse of Madness gave me enough enjoyment to say I thought it was good but man was it disappointing with a bunch of things, Wanda became so unlikable, and America Chavez was just a constant damsel in distress (are you freaking kidding me Raimi 🤦🏻♂️) and a Deus Ex Machina at the end, I haven’t seen Ms. Marvel and Werewolf by Night yet so I can’t say for those, Love and Thunder I got some enjoyment but it really made me realize that Taika’s style doesn’t fit with Thor at all especially with the end of Asgard and a godkiller (I still love Ragnarok but it got knocked down some because of this movie), She-Hulk has so many problems that it’s definitely the MCU at its worst even with Daredevil and “Yes! Wong!” (if you know, you know), and Wakanda Forever used its emotion really well but was kinda boring and I do not plan on rewatching anytime soon which is the opposite of the first movie. Thank goodness we’ve now got Guardians 3, the MCU desperately needed something great after No Way Home
9:18 And here was me thinking it was DEI. Maybe the two could share a spot?
Wanda Makimof could have been that one villain that is bad, but still tries to avoid hurting the ones they love. And maybe she could have had a darker more evil mentor pushing her from the shadows. And eventually after several confrontations she will be made to make a choice between good and evil. BUT NO!!! They just killed her
She could have been a recurring villain in all these series finding a way to even tie them together to some sort of greater plan or evil
Stan Lee must be rolling in his grave right now!
High Evolutionary acted more like Kang Than One in Quantumania…
To be honest, I have to agree with Mauler and EFAP on Phase four; it's actually impressive with how bad phase four was in systematically destroying everything in the MCU. And while the consoomers/ and stans will try to downplay the effects, the fact that, excluding this latest Guardians film, Marvel is delaying projects, getting in new directors and writers goes to show how cataclysmic phase for has been. For me, my breaking point was Multiverse of Madness. Doctor Strange is my favorite superhero so to see him butchered and such an awful movie; it felt like I was kicked in the nuts and insulted for liking him. All in all, Marvel needs a full reboot in order to wipe out Phase four. Just say Mephisto put everyone in a coma/ asleep and start from there. Phase five isn't going to save the MCU. Nothing will outside a full reboot.
I wish you watched Agents of SHIELD instead of this dumpster fire. They were made during the best phases of the MCU, when characters and their stories were at the core Marvel. Aside from the weak beginning(first half of the first season to be precise) it's a fantastic show which I can definitely recommend.
As a person reviewing the flash finale myself. Brother you, are going to be angry
Believe me. I know.
Why couldn't they ended after endgame that could have been the end.
I just realize something I don’t know for sure exactly, but I think you should tackle it and tell us why Netflix Marvel TV shows are very different from Disney’s Marvel TV shows.
I don’t agree with the tva take in which characters in the mcu still have free will in which they didn’t know at the time ab time travel and currently don’t know about the tva, so whether iron man carried that nuke or not is his decision that’s not impacted by the tva in which they only interfere when irregularities occur in the timeline that could affect the sacred timeline. The tva just know what is gonna happen and when it’s gonna happen based on their decision and they don’t interfere unless there is inconsistency with time. This also begs a question regarding philosophy about predestination. If everything in your life is predestined to happen a certain way is it free will? In which I would assume yes, because whether I slap my mom tommorw or not is still an act of free will in which no matter what my predestined outcome would be, is a merit of my own actions.
My only thing I don't agree with is the TVA stuff. It doesn't take meaning from other events, but it shows the insane power and control of Kang. And if ge was done right with the rest of phase 4-6, would have been amazing. I don't think the tva was the problem. It was everything afterwards that ruined the concept.
This why The comics is way better.
Black Widow: Her sisters hates her and wants her dead as a villain in the comics, red guardian is her ex husband.
Thor is a Shakespearean warrior god who cares about his friends, not some overweight jerk.
Vision got nerfed pretty bad.
Wanda Turning evil is a good idea and is comic accurate but the MCU kinda ruined it.
Iron man 3 was trash iron man 2 was trash captain America 1 was trash. Age of ultron was trash thor dark world was trash. Antman 2 was trash. Spiderman homecoming was trash. So why people act like the Infinity saga was this great body of work
I’d argue that Loki’s show ruined it. They act like Endgame created the Multiverse when Doctor Strange clearly states that the Multiverse existed before.
3:23-3:43, One aspect of the Black Widow film that how much Natasha runs from her past and tried to reinvent herself as a SHIELD agent and then a superhero in order to redeem herself in her own eyes. However, she ultimately accepts that no amount of good she does in the present will ever be truly enough if she doesn’t face all the pain and fear the Red Room and her fake parents caused her and the horrible things she did to escape that fear and pain. The idea in there is solid, but the execution of that idea was muddled in the film's many flaws.
4:06, And with Love And Thunder, Thor’s feeble attempts to cope with his many losses through adventure and fighting and ultimately becoming a less efficient and compassionate hero because of it is made into an obnoxious joke and Thor himself into an self-absorbed, immature moron, the kind of “god” Gorr wants exterminated. This stories only saving grace is Thor seemingly overcoming this flaw and deciding opening himself up to caring about others even if he could lose them, again, a solid idea with poor execution.
8:10, Most of these groups are so far removed from each other there’s no real points they would intersect (except, of course, the TVA) and most of the groups specifically choose to hide their existence for various reasons. Meanwhile, the Ten Rings have been around since Iron Man but otherwise kept a low profile, the Red Room was mentioned all the way back in Age of Ultron but was thought disbanded by Natasha, Namor and Talocan purposefully hide from the surface and only emerged when they felt their presence was close to being discovered due to the vibrainium detector, and the Eternals disbanded centuries ago over disagreements on how to handle humans and had chosen to live as regular civilians, only regrouping when one of their own was slain.
12:14, This aspect is actually really on point, though there is an additional issue. With the excess of content being thrown at us and the continued theme of each of these characters having to either find themselves or learn to believe in themselves, it can become a monotonous experience watching them. We have Loki learning true self esteem and taking responsibility for his own actions and flaws (something his main counterpart never had the chance to), Bucky overcoming his trauma of all the lives he ruined as the Winter Soldier, Sam establishing his worthiness to carry Steve’s mantle, John Walker’s insecurities with having to live up to a mantle he isn’t worthy of, Wanda coming to terms with her grief and her crimes (before the Darkhold shoves her right back into the depths of insanity), Kamala finding the confidence to be her own hero (even if there’s no consequence of doing so since her parents accept her without issue), Jen finding her worth outside of She-Hulk (by literally rewriting herself out of a story she doesn't like), America Chavez learning to trust her power (after Strange gives her a brief pep talk rather than any real development on her part), Shuri overcoming her grief to carry on her mother and brother’s legacies as benevolent but vigilant rulers, Kate Bishop learning that being a hero isn’t always glamorous or rewarding, Marc and Steven learning to accept each other and themselves and both Shang Chi and Natasha learning not to run from their pasts. While some of these examples do have meaningful resolutions that expand the characters beyond were they previously were, particularly Loki, Moon Knight, Sam, Bucky and John, its still the same kind of arc for each of these characters and is done better and with greater impact for some than others.
26:44, This one might actually be one of the better projects considering how different it is from anything else surrounding it, with interesting characters and a story that just has fun with its premise.
Thank you
I encourage y'all to check out "Everything Everywhere All at Once" if the MCU's Multiverse Saga isn't doing it for ya. It's a personal favorite of mine. No guarantees that you'll like the movie, but just a suggestion.
I heard great things about that movie. Just never got around to watching it
I wish the TVA existed in the Flash...
I really like three characters from Phase 4 - John Walker, Mark Spector and Yelena Belova. Plus maybe Valentina. Those are the only ones I'd like to see in the future. I like Kamala, Kate and Sonya (from Secret Invasion), too, when they're on screen, but I'd be perfectly fine with never seeing them again.
“John walker was the best character of FATWS”
Don’t forget Zemo.
16:04 I think that the biggest problem with Ms. Marvel is that, outside of all of the #relatable references to Muslim culture and history, there's little to no substance to the story or characters.
Watch the boys it's really good
The world building is cool especially when it has to do with history but it is weird that the eternals didn’t help stop Thanos.
My huge problem with Phase 4 is how characters are flanderixed compared to the comic counterparts
See the Eternals, created by Jack Kirby who also created many other characters alongside Stan Lee and Joe Simon and created the New Gods, the Eternals are Marvel’s answer to the New Gods only by the fact the Eternals and Deviants are offshoots of humanity, similar to mutants or the Inhumans, in the MCU? They are fucking robots and the Deviants are generic monsters, or how about we look at Moon Knight, in the comics, Mr. Knight is also as brutal as Moon Knight, but in the MCU he is a joke.
Another major problem is them not referencing past events, like again, in the Eternals, Sersi and the others freeze the Celestial coming out of Earth, this giant ass Celestial has been sticking out like a sore thumb and you see ZERO discussion on it in-universe like why????! They just think that is normal?
In conclusion it will never happen and it’s too late but they should reboot the MCU
I like how in the word Shuri if you only read black letters it says sui
lol
White dude was the best written character? Almost like the writers are mostly white dudes😂
Why must you make us wait four hours 😡
If there were no hours then many people would miss it
MAN, VIDEO GAME MODOK WAS BETTER THAN THEN ONE IN THE MOVIE!!!
Yeah if Marvel’s Avengers did something better than the MCU, we’ve got a massive problem at this point (though either way, I’d take Super Hero Squad Modok over either of them any day of the century)
I only like Wanda vision because of nostalgia I guess and cus it’s entertaining
I just noticed you didn't talk about guardians of the Galaxy 3 listen to my friend that is our saving grace go watch it now
Friday my friend. Friday
@@GIGio_Official glad to hear it
I'll concede that Phase 4 as a whole was pretty bad. But to me, I liked a lot of the projects individually. NWH, Hawkeye, WF, Moon Knight, WandaVision.
But again, while a lot of the projects individually are pretty good, the phase as a whole wasn't.
It’s honestly really heart breaking for me to see what phase 4 did to the MCU. Growing up with these movies from age 12 to now at 22 the marvel movies hold a really special place in my heart. So so seeing what it has become makes me so sad. I feel no connection to any of the new characters. Not even close to the love I had for the OG ones. I knew it was ganna be hard to top what they did with the infinity saga but omg there is no reason it should have gotten so bad
Lol I burst out laughing after he told Namor to shut up 😂😂
Phase 4 put the L in Marvel
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In other words.... Disney, Marvel.....DO NOT FUCK UP JOHN WALKER'S CHARACTER IN THE THUNDERBOLTS!!!
My biggest issue with Phase 4 was that it felt like the story was just wasting the viewers time with about 90% of the projects just being self contained stories that barely affect the world overall & the only projects that really matter are Loki, Spider-Man NWH, Doctor Strange 2 & Wandavision which are the best recieved by fans because they actually affect the world & are fun & creative with their premises.
So I am confused why instead of making more projects like this they keep trying to focus on Street level characters that have subpar abilites or on people who have no powers at all who mainly just use guns or hand to hand combat this feels like something they should have done WAY back in Phase 1 or 2 where the movies were played mostly safe & they went for a more grounded tone. Not in Phase 4 where we have firmly established things like Magic, Infinity Stones, Alien Empires & a villain that has control over time itself. So please tell me how someone like Echo or Daredevil are going to be helpful in the fight against Kang & his 1000 variants?.
To be fair the Ten rings existed long before Phase 4 but it was more or so high lighted more in Phase 4
Edit Also, the sacred timeline it was explained in avengers endgame
I need my goat to cook the Flash finale
Also the No free will was broken by Sylve
Too many movies and series in phase 4.
Too much supply than demand
In terms of the TVA's sacred timeline, that pruning concept doesn't actually exist in the main MCU timeline anymore. That whole story (so far) is just the explanation for how the multiverse happened. What if and Multiverse of Madness prove that there is no sacred timeline anymore. He who remains was trying to prevent the multiversal war, and the events of Loki season 2 destroyed the sacred timeline and made every reality valid. Even then, the MCU was never devoid of choice. The concept of the sacred timeline was simply that certain choices kept the multiverse war from happening. So technically speaking, the characters agency never changed in their timeline, they simply made choices the TVA liked, and that doesn't even matter anymore. Endgame talked aboutbthe multiverse and the TVA exists outside of time to begin with. That whole series was just an awkward origin for the multiverse and an introduction to the TVA. As sloppy as that into was, that still doesn't mean that it takes character agency away.
Just one thing. A character changing in a story is not always what a story requires. For example, in One piece. The story is about how Luffy changes the world, not how the world changes him. So he changes just a little throughout the story.
I state this specifically for Shang Chi. It's mostly about the son changing the father. And him accepting the loss. As well as telling us what kind of person Shang Chi was. Not to mention him reconciling with his family, as shown with him using the abilities of both his mother and father in the final battle. That was the point. A good introduction to him. He didn't need to change so much by the end. But there definitely was an arc. I don't want to write a whole essay though. However, the person who required the most change in the story was the villain. So in the end, he saw in his son, what he lost in his wife. Symbolised by him seeing his son use the same moves the mom used on him the first day they met
The Infinity Saga was perfection. Sure there were some bumps like Thor: The Dark World, but 99% of the time, it never ceased to amaze. Avengers: Endgame even proved it with its legendary finale and its dark tone in its first half. Plus, it’s the best superhero film imo. (Enjoyed it most, as well as the fact that it used to be highest grossing until Avatar made rereleases) Endgame and the rest of the Infinity Saga is the MCU at its best.
The Multiverse Saga feels like a downgrade version of the Infinity Saga. The only good one in Phase 4 is NWH, only because of nostalgia. Phase 5 had a disappointing start with the lackluster box office bomb Ant-Man 3. GOTG 3 carried with a good conclusion, but controversial age rating. Multiverse Saga is mid at best like Hawkeye or WandaVision, and at worst, absolute dumpster fires like Ant Man 3, She Hulk, Thor 4, or Eternals. They even made stupid retcons, that even a baby can tell a story better than them.
Deadpool 3 feels like MCU’s last hope. TKD and SW seem promising, but they’re gonna have the same boring new woke characters.
How to fix:
- Hire better writers and directors
- Quality over Quantity
- Treat VFX workers better
- Give more depth to characters
- Don’t focus too much on representation because story still matters. If Endgame was able to succeed in it, then, they should have too. But no, so they need to do it in future
Let me know what you think
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I don’t think it’s Marvel. I think it’s Disney.
disney has owned marvel for awhile now
I think it was doomed the second they started replacing characters. They killed off Stark and replaced him with Iron Heatt. Retired Steve Rogers, (and eventually killed him off) and replaced him with Sam. Retired Banner and replaced him with She hulk, etc.
The original six characters are the faces of the MCU, and will continue to be in the eyes of fans forever. You cant just replace them with crappier, rushed versions. Marvel need to look at their recent successful characters with Moon Knight, Spiderman, Kang, etc. and see that adding other characters to the MCU is clearly better than lazily replacing old ones. Marvel has an entire 60-year comic franchise of characters to utilize.
"The MCU had no free will"
Well considering that all the events of the MCU occured before the TVA was created (in the 31st century and also outside of time), I'm gonna go ahead and say that's not true.
I get what you are saying but in the first episode of Loki, Loki question why not take in the Avengers for time traveling and the TVA says that was meant to happen. So if they are acknowledging that event in endgame where meant to happen, that also means that everything that lead to them making that time travel decision was also meant to happen. meaning No free will. Thats on me I should have definitely included that clip
@@GIGio_Official "Meant to happen" in the sense that it already happened. It's established that creating a Nexus Event is extremely rare. Imagine if I time traveled to the beginning of the month, but changed nothing. Would your choices have been different? What if I did that 100 times? You still would have made the same choices you did before because choices naturally come from a person's personality.
F U WHAT IF WAS AWESOME😅😅
Phase 4 is the absolute botched garbage season 2 to a great season 1 (Phases 1-3). Almost like great writing and compelling characters are what keep people coming back 🤔
Loki is fucking good
Achly you are wrong the tva ONLY has problems when you miss or fuck up major events. For example I do a 360 randomly they don't care WHITCH way I start but only care that I did the 360
Knowing Gio’s thoughts on Kang makes me wonder what he thinks of the announcement that he’s been replaced as the Multiverse Saga’s big bad by Doctor Doom
This is why…4 parts of any franchise…suck…Love & Thunder, Toy Story 4, Road chip, Age of Extinction, MCU phase 4…all suck
This was a fantastic video, but i would like to point out two things. For one, what Wanda did is 100% in line with her character and is something she did not once, but twice in the comics before Doctor Strange put her in comatose, and second imo Ms.MARVEL was a steaming pile of dogshit. Everything else was 100% spot on tho and editing was fantastic.
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And it also assassinated Wanda's character as well as treating the titular character like he was a side-character in his own damn sequel.
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No seriously, what the fuck was up with that final episode?
So glad Thor ragnarok was the last Thor movie i wathced.
There were scenes where his actions were weird and the plot was writen just for the funnies but it had an interesting story to see Thor overcome the need of his hammer to use his powers.
And that is pretty cool.
Everything else flew over my head from that movie and i didnt find it important enough to remember
For no reason, Marvel stuffs everything new in Earth-19999 after opening the multiverse. The more crowded it gets the more retcons bound to happen.