The problem I have with the MCU is that too much is happening all at once. Moon Knight is bringing in all these Gods from other pantheons, but in Thor, Thor clearly stated that he was the sole protector of Earth. Eternals were there all along, but came into zero conflict with other godlike entities. Wenwu (The Mandarin) has been fighting in wars for a thousand years, but yet no other movies ever mention him. In Loki, they say Kang's death led to multiverse problems. In No Way Home, spells were the cause of multiverse problems. In Dr. Strange, it was America Chavez. If you look at the timeline, literally ten different world altering events are happening at the same time. The MCU is just too lazy to have them connect. Each movie is trying to do it's own thing in a world that's too small to handle all these events.
Exactly it's all too much. If Marvel just went back to it's roots and focused on what phase 1 did it'd be better. They need to focus on smaller scale battles for solo movies and save multiversal threats for avengers movies or just collaboration movies. They need start setting things up again instead of trying to one up endgame every movie.
You're expecting them to plan 20+ years into the future if you wanted phase 4 newly introduced characters to be mentioned in phase 1, 2 or 3. Kang's death allowed the spell in NWH to become a multiverse problem. I agree it's weird they don't at least reference the world altering events, but you are expecting connections and crossovers too early. It took like 8 years last time for it all to start coming together.
There was a time when I was excited for every MCU movie. Now I pick and choose because the quality can vary quite a bit. Plus most of my favourite characters are dead or boring now.
Same. Prior to endgame I wouldn't dare miss a single mcu movie or tie in, now I still haven't even finished Hawkeye, and haven't bothered watching shang chi, eternals, or moon knight
As someone who has staunchly defended the MCU, having literally grown up with the films, it's safe to say that on a creative spectrum, Marvel peaked with the Infinity Saga. Phase 4 is making money but there is no ingenuity anymore. I also think that the spam of Disney Plus shows is harming people's investment in the movie's long-term. I mean, how many people can name the characters in the Eternal movie or remember Shang Chi's sister's name? Marvel has become a conveyor belt of content and have prioritized quantity over quality.
It's not really difficult to write the hero's journey. There's been tons of books and tutorials written about it, and yet somehow they manage to mess it up. Chang-Chi should have been movie number 2. And Chang-chi 1 should have been him growing up, learning to be a ninja, and escaping to America. Mirroring Iron Man 1. But it's all rushed. "We need more demons in there! And they're comming to kill everything in the entier universe!"
I am honestly disgusted with Phase 4's questionable morals - A terrorist who blows hostages up is sympathetic, while a grieving soldier killing the enemy is a monster - Superpowered witch enslaves people and traps children but she did "the right thing" in the end by letting her fake children and dead boyfriend go - Black Widow's constantly trying to wipe out the "red in her ledger" but never bats an eye when a whole Russian prison complex is buried in an avalanche Feel free to add to this list
Loki removed free will from the MCU by making everything follow Kang's magical sacred timeline, then acted like it did them a favor by returning it after Sylvie killed him. The whole idea of the sacred timeline and multiple timelines also seriously clashes with the time travel in Endgame
Wanda going on a killing spree, turning into a no-holds barred villain and in the end defeating herself by dropping a mountain on... herself which is supposed to be a sort of redemption? I dunno. So uneven..like the movie is trying to say you should feel sorry for her after all the murder she just committed. Oh and Thor 4...trying to make all the gods out to be assholes but at the same time look at their deaths as some sort of tragedy while also feeling sorry for the guy killing them?
@@MrChillis13 How many people has Sam killed in the heat of battle? Steve definitely killed people during his run as Cap. At least Walker had a motive to kill the terrorists (unlike Karli). And the *terrorist* (by definition a person that terrorizes people) that Walker killed held Walker hostage while Karli was going to kill him. And don't tell me Karli wasn't going to kill him; she killed people for far less than simply getting in her way.
The thing is Endgame ended phase 3 well enough and it actually felt like a true ending. Continuing from that as things get even bigger is too much to juggle.
They desperately needed a plan. None of these new things are associated with each other. Everyone keep forgetting that there is a giant celestial hand sticking out the damn earth right now. It's never been addressed.
I remember all the hate for Walker and it got kinda stupid. I remember reading Twitter post arguing that the character symbolizes racism in America. Which I find odd to claim considering his best friend is black and he killed a dude to avenge his friends death. I remember watching it with my family and my mom and my sisters would go on about how they hate Walker because he isn’t Steve and he is trying to be Steve. My response to all this is… Walker was actually my favorite character from the show… I understood his conflicts and they didn’t feel forced or preachy. He is a very well done Anti-Hero. He is a man who wants to do good for his country, like Steve, and he was given this mantel, simply because the government wanted a face to gain better public option and poor Walker is manipulated by the people in power and HE pays for it. Then when he is tempted with the serum he feels he has no choice but to take it in order to stand a chance.
Apparently from what I’ve heard, his friendship is apparently a symbol of white people using black people to gain success or something, but like walker and Lamar felt like actual friends, so I really don’t get that. Like if the friendship was more one sided I’d see it, but it wasn’t
If that's what they think then these people don't understand how symbolism works. If he symbolizes anything, it's the foibles of potentially well-meaning but belligerent and destructive foreign military interventionism, not racism, becaise Walker obviously isn't a racist. Honestly, the only obvious racists were the really stupidly on the nose police officers who held up Sam until they found out he was Falcon (and had no reason to be in the show at all) and to sime extent, Isaiah Bradley (although im not sure how much of that was intentional). Walker was a really sympathetic dude and was probably my favorite next to Bucky. Falcon felt like he was jerked around a bit and was made to do some out of character things because the plot demanded it which resulted in some shaky logic for a couple of his actions. I still liked him, but I found myself occasionally thinking, "okay, but why though." I'm fine with him getting the shield and the new costume, but he should always be Falcon. Nobody will remember him as Captain America because he will forever be in the real Cap's shadow the longer he claims the title. He (and almost every other black or nonwhite character this is done to) is better as an original character. Let him homage his friend and partner, Steve, but he should own his own identity as Falcon. The visual iconography represented by the shield is enough. Let Falcon be Falcon, just as John Walker will go on to be US Agent.
@@Tyler_W I 100% agree. I think you’re right about what the writers were going for and I too liked Bucky & Walker. I hope that Wyatt Russell comes back and that Marvel compensates him appropriately for some of these super fans’ nonsense.
What i really hate about the MCU right now is how the blip didn't affect everyone's lives at all as if it never happened. Five years got by and that's enough to make people go crazy about what happened but when everyone reappeared it's like it was all good. One would imagine the amount of problems it would cause but we don't feel the repercussions of it. What i'd love to see is a bad guy that rose during the 5 year gap making us feel that some have snapped.
Plus a bunch of people had to of died when the recovery snap happened. I mean how many of them were driving when they got dusted, then bam your in the middle of a road with traffic with no car. .
To be fair, Scarlet Witch's powers are all over the place in the comic too. She is a lot like Superman, her powers are whatever the need to be for the current story.
As a huge comic book collector from the 70-90s her powers were hex but she had so many issues controlling them…also he power were local not across universes…she is now a nexus being she can alter reality, but so can Nathan Richards so can molecule man blah blah blah so many others…
@@Skabanis I thought her powers were originally to manipulate probability and the magic stuff was separate, but aided by her natural mutant powers. I'll admit, I'm not super up to date on her. But I do know what powers she has, and how strong they are have changed a lot going back and forth over the years.
for those who say that "Oh, look, MCU is making billions, so it can't be bad.", yes it can. Making money does not mean good storytelling. Good storytelling can be seen in earlier works of marvel with consistent characters, fantastic world-building, and solid plots. ngl, now MCU movies seem more like youtube videos to me :(
Uhh your wrong dumass Making money does mean good movies/storytelling. The more money they make, means the more people love what's going on. Dummy🤣 think before u speak
Yeah. It's like saying "EA is making millions, so it is a good gaming company". EA is still labeled as the worst gaming company due to their predatory tactics. Making bank is not equal to quality.
Yep they definitely fucked that one up,, my big brother was swearing and cusing the whole time in the cinema cuz that was one of his favourite characters and he always wished he could be like him and manipulate any actions once he sees it just like the Taskmaster but then he gets this in the movie
@@malawisupasoldier7478 her* I still don't get why they gender swapped just to end up using the male stunt double for like 80% of the movie anyway. like just hv the stunt double do it, he's clearly right for the job....but girlboss or watever ig
Who was that "twist" even for? Using Drakov's daughter made sense for the story, but that whole "the badass male character is actually a secret woman" trope (which almost always sucks) was a surprise meant to shock literally nobody except the people who already knew and wanted a proper Taskmaster because the average viewer doesn't know who tf Taskmaster even is. It felt like a twist that served no other purpose than to antagonize the audience who actually reads comic books. Beyond that, it was a twist that didn't need to exist. If they would've made it obvious from the jump that this Taskmaster was a woman, you'd still have an argument against gender swapping characters, but it would've been more honest and less antagonistic by not dangling a proper Taskmaster in front of the people who actually wanted it. I don't think it ruins either Natasha or Yalena, but there is so much I didn't like about that movie, which is sad, because I really wanted that movie to happen, and it had so much potential.
to be fair about Bucky willingness to give up a civilian life over going back to heroism even after immense trauma. As a soldier myself, it's difficult to adjust to a civilian life, it's hard to change from that, which is why I find both Captain America and Bucky very relatable in that sense. you can't just stop away from that, you just want to keep fighting cause that's all you know. it's difficult to transition. from a place of war to a place of peace. Even I haven't seen a real battle, and every time I go home I can't seem to think of anything else but going back to being a soldier and going through all that training all over again.
The sad thing is in the MCU there's *always* a fight and those fights are going to need decent people to step up, so it's okay for an old soldier to keep in the game.
@@favianguerra8954 it is a fun saying, though there are gonna always be exceptions, like the career military dudes who never served anywhere conflict was happening
Here's my main problem with Phase 4. It doesn't feel like it's leading up to anything. It introduced Kang in Loki and we haven't seen him since. Meanwhile with Thanos you just FELT his shadow LOOMING over the MCU like a dark cloud rolling in. Even when he wasn't on screen you felt his presence. The movies seem disjointed as well, and if they went from "must connect" to "solo movies" I wouldn't mind. I think that's honestly what they should've done post Endgame. Endgame felt just as it's titled. THE ENDGAME. You can't go bigger, but you can focus on smaller scale stories going forward. Shang-Chi did this very well. No Way Home did this very well. They had other MCU characters in them, but it focused up and was centered on personal stories. WandaVision did this as well with Wanda only for Multiverse of Madness to completely destroy Wanda's character. Marvel really needs to do a hard stop, and hard left into just really focusing up and getting a hold of quality control. Cause She-Hulk looks BAD and there's no excuse for it.
I think its actually great that there so far isnt leading up to anything, its basically reset after endgame and the next avengers or big film is far away so eventually they'll build up to something but I do like how everything feels "disconnected". for the she hulk thing tho... the cgi is bad but we cant judge the show from a 2 minute trailer and most people liked the she hulk trailer
@@fitzabooper7054 Actually, given the breadcrumbs we've seen just from the lineup, the villains shown, and the greater focus on the cosmic interacting with earth. It's easy to tell they're clearly building up to the F4. Who are primarily all about the last bit about the cosmic side of things.
How long did it take for Thanos to be introduced? something like 4 years after iron man 1? We are not even 4 years into the new phase, it's going to take a bit for the stories to start connecting and for the true big bad to be introduced.
I hope you'll be patient and open-minded. It took 10 years for Endgame to happen. Phase 4 pretty much just began. There will be some good movies and some bad movies going forward. And if we get lucky with directors like the Russo brothers along the way, then we may have something as amazing as Endgame in next 10 years!
I've only watched one Marvel film since Endgame, and that was No Way Home. I just don't follow Marvel like I used to, but I'm always there for Spider-Man.
No way home is the only solid one after Endgame, the only hero I care about now is Spiderman after Tom Holland truly became Spiderman. The rest is just boring.
@@poyyo1784 Same. Spidey's always been my favorite and really, he's had a (so far) better run with Far From and No Way Home, especially the ladder with him truly becoming his own hero so he honestly has the most flexible story by himself as he's separated from the other Avengers.
The only things I’ve enjoyed since was no way home, Hawkeye, I guess black widow but only for Jelena and the comedy. MoM was good but disappointing it’s sad because it fr could’ve been more 🤷🏼♀️
@@mrpuss2519 if you ignore the stupid Dragon ball z red energy balls she throws like if she was a low level threat mutant, her power scale is really well done in multiverse.
@@citizenvulpes4562 well then do you like Star Wars? Lord of the Rings? If you think of any fantasy series then think about it too much nothing will make sense. So by your logic all fantasy is bad
What you said about Loki really changed the way I think about him, Why would he kill a mass amount of people with a smile on his face then like 2 days later say "Oh yeah I don't enjoy hurting people" Like wtf that completely changed the entire narrative of the character
He literally witnessed his own future where looses his home and his life and everything, that left him in a state where he felt he has no purpose all he does was going to send him knowhere. That realisation is what changed him
@@apogeelord7013 No, it’s forced, sped-up character development to make this variant the exact same as the Loki that died in Infinity War so that they don’t have to try and write a completely different version of a previously established character in the MCU. It’s not Loki having a life-changing revelation that coincidentally makes him exactly the same as he was in Ragnarok and Infinity War, it’s just lazy writing so that they don’t have to try and rewrite his character from the ground up.
@@apogeelord7013 it wasent his future tho becuase he escaped he was a varient they showed him what his life could be like IF he didnt escape BUT HE DID they showed him a future that was never gonna happen to him lmao AND HE FUCKING BOUGHT IT LOKI THE TRICKSTER BOUGHT THAT
I agree, Phase 3 ended things perfectly and phase 4 feels like it exists just to make money. While I do think some of the Phase 4 projects are good short term, the long term story for the future of the MCU is extremely concerning. They are attempting to introduce huge ideas such as the multiverse, celestials, TVA, and Egyptian gods all so close to each other. It is getting too big to try and connect together in a coherent way.
"phase 4 feels like it exists just to make money" lol the delusion every marvel movie after the original iron man exists just to make money. they wouldn't have made a single movie after that if that hadn't been so successful
@@zekeiwa5837 the correct way to spell this it's "Cashgrab" Untill Phase 3 at least, most movies actually felt like they were building a story for the fans and making money Phase 4 feels like they just throwing things that nerds like(callbacks, cameos, multiverse and etc.) While they don't have idea of what to do and afther killing/retiring the heroes everyone like they will invest the next years on a villain that isn't iconic as Thanos and a bunch of female substitutes and boring teenagers as the heroes The only characters that people actually care now are like Spiderman, the F4, X Men(that they will probably ruin with wokeness) Daredevil, Moon Knight and the inhumans, the others just feel like a worse versions from the comics or since the comics they are blring
Probably should have just restarted after endgame. The MCU could do a few epilogue movies like Spider-Man, wait a few years to gain hype, then restart. Begin with the unused characters and slowly add the characters we like, how the original MCU did that.
The way to fix the mess is have all the characters be forced to enter an alternate dimension and the old world they lived in is judged and destroyed. The old heroes would still exist in the new universe but have memory wiped out and given a destiny that they must fulfill but are not conscious of. The idea is that nobody can cope with the weight of responsibility to protect innocent people anymore (the psychological effect would traumatise them after Thanos suceeded in killing so many people) so God basically intervenes on events much like the Flood of Noah in the old testament. Only select chosen few are allowed to remember what happened in the old age before the destruction. Heroes would be optimistic again since they forgot all the dead innocent people from the past.
Yes... They have multiple universes now so they could have started another universe with smaller scale characters like daredevil. Then maybe at some point make them collide and the old characters can make cameos. But this would make no sense for the box office.
Man, Loki losing to 3 humans with no powers aside from some stupid slowtime weapon was hilarious but not in the way the show wanted me to feel. It was embarassing.
The MCU had a beginning, rising action, a climax, a conclusion. It's over. They made a lot of mistakes along the way. They had a mountain of success along the way. Things need to end. You can't just keep crapping out sequels and tv spinoffs forever. Eventually there are so many movies and so much past material that you can't make sequels without making mistakes and the longer a series runs, the more those mistakes add up. I say stop watching at Endgame.
They really think that people won't get enough of having to watch 60+ movies and 83838 bad Disney + only series to understand a movie about a bunch of guys wearing stupid clothes with superpowers against extremely blank villains Honestly, they should had ended with Endgame and then do just the multiverse saga with Wandavision, No Way Home, Loki and MoM Then they would just have a hiatus and years later they would continue the Mcu universe with the X men, Fantastic Four and a older Spiderman fighting against the underworld And these would have their own pocket connected universe The X Men and Fantastic Four ocasionally would meet each other and some of the retired avengers members Spiderman would get some interactions with Daredevil and the Defenders Eventually leading to a movie where Spidey's actions lead to the Defenders finding Kingpin and kicking his ass And a big "finale" movie where all the heroes that were still acting joining forces to defeat Galactus
Your highly wrong with what your saying. There's still MANY MORE great movies ahead of us. Marvel now owns the Xmen again. And so many more characters. There are way better villains out there than just Thanos. Multiverse of madness alone was better than Endgame, so stfu.
@@renren47618 here is the thing though, technically people aren't. Marvel movies are at the top of the chart in terms of revenue. It's june and marvel already released like 10 movies and shows and they're making a lot of money from it, so they'll just keep going and going. People eat this stuff up even though its the same formulaic movie.
''Why bring a badass villain back from the dead only to take out the villain and the badass parts in his own show.'' sums up Book of Boba Fett to a tee.
boba fett wasn't bad-ass at all in anything other than mando and book of boba fett, dafuck are you smoking? Boba fett got pushed into a sarlac by blind man, other than that he did absolutely nothing other than stand imposingly.
@@TheMarionick how? He was a loser that didn't hit a single shot with his blaster and go pushed into a hole while he has A FUCKING JETPACK. In bobf he's cool as fuck, he's honorouble and a lethal marksman that barely if ever misses a shot. Have you watched the finale? He fucking rides a RANCOR, beats Bane in a duel, he's an equal to Mando, if it weren't for his age, he probably would be even stronger.
Thats the problem when you expand your brand and have: - No clear route/plan on how to develop your products. - Overused tropes and humour, no new tone or direction. - And lastly, socio-political ideals/messages shoved straight into the new pruducts to the point that the ACTUAL PLOT becomes something secondary. Also they did Walker, Taskmaster, Agatha, Natasha and Loki as characters fucking DIRTY. Nobody can change my mind on that.
I actually like walker’s character. Not because he kills people but because his reactions to his circumstances are kinda realistic, like its how a real human with his personality would react. Which makes him the most consistent character in phase 4 right now.
@@Wolffman109 Honestly I felt bad for him. He is not "evil". The only bad thing he did was get aggressive with that one person "do you know who I am"? That is really it.
@@nont18411He still executed the guy publicly in front of a lot of bystanders with social media platforms at their disposal. That wasn’t exactly going to paint him in a good light. Sure, I understand why he did it, but the other guy wasn’t even the one who killed Lamar. It was that Karli girl lol. Though I still don’t see how that gave the government cause to strip him of his title as Cap.
@@GabesEdtiz You gave the answer yourself; he did all it in front of people with their cameras turned on. And it's easier to show "powerful bad, weak good" than to figure out the nuances of power and resources. Also, I blame Sam and Bucky for never having helped Walker. Imagine you're already in the business of killing people for the greater good, to protect those you love and shit and then you get bullied by a bunch of sad losers who hate you because you worked hard enough to receive a title that previously belonged to their friend. They were seriously nothing but bullies in that fucking show and you can't convince me otherwise. If Walker and Karli were bad (in their own, different ways), Sam and Bucky were worse. It's a shame how they fucked-up such good characters.
How to make an mcu film -introduce plot -show MC feeling sad cus they lost fight with villain -MC discovers the power of friendship and decides to fight villain again -3rd climatic CGI fight that costs 90% of the movie budget -post credit scene Literally all MCU movies are like this
i like how the main villain of the franchise that they spend a decade developing has exactly 0 kills to his name and his army gave spiderman a little paper cut in the end. These marvel villains are really scary and threatning, the joker and bane got nothing against these cgi pinatas.
Lol, I mean... You're not too far off, but it feels like they're experimenting a little more with this phase. Sure, it still has some of those conventions present in the past, perhaps sometimes to a fault, but there's been some really unique entries recently. Shang-Chi, for example. Friend characters are kind of there sometimes, but Katy really feels like an important part of the plot (not all the time, but she helps drive the story at times). Marvel doesn't often use non-linear storytelling. Sure, it's fairly linear but the use of flashbacks gradually revealing the past and showing how a certain character dies, inspiring the main villain, is pretty unique for the MCU. Not to say that other movies haven't done this, but the MCU hasn't experimented with this concept too much (One could argue that Captain Marvel and even the first Iron Man kind of use it, but). Katy also isn't a love interest, most of the time the characters get together in the end, but not here. Sure, also not the first MCU movie to do this, but it happens fairly often when you have a leading male and a leading female character (Jane and Thor, Tony and Pepper, Peggy and Steve, ya know). Also, Wenwu is just so good, really well written villain. Eternals as well, for better or worse, is pretty unique in the fact that this is the first big team-up movie that doesn't rely at all on characters already established in the universe. Also, once again uses some non-linear storytelling (not as effectively as Shang-Chi in my opinion but it works). Also, the first Superman type character in the MCU lol. WandaVision was wildly unique and dipped into horror, something that the MCU hasn't really played with too much. Sure, it eventually loses itself perhaps when it gets back to standard MCU ideas, but it has some pretty great moments imo. Loki as well... I dunno, I guess that one feels standard MCU? But it's reallly consistent. Its finale is completely different than most MCU final acts, not one huge final battle (though we get that in the episode prior), but almost a battle of wits in a sense. Sure, Loki and Sylvie also have a little fight too, but it feels a lot different from what we've seen in the past. Moon Knight even too, also perhaps hurts itself just a little bit with its very MCU finale, but that one is a wild ride the MCU has never really seen. Sure, once again to bring up Captain Marvel, you could say it shares some similarities of characters not knowing their past, but Moon Knight goes a lot further with that. All this to say is I have no life, but I think Phase 4 is going into uncharted territories with the MCU. Sure, it may still have some of the same flaws or things that are starting to get old, but I think it's going places. Multiverse of Madness, quite unique too.
@@jayceallen6530 that just makes it worse bruh, you telling me this mf wiped out entire planets and caused the extinction of several races but couldn't even do as much as kill 1 single person because marvel needs to make another 20 sequels with that character.
What also bothers me is how Sharon Carter is treated in the last episode she is shot and sam doesn't carry her out she has to tend to her wounds herself but sam carries the unalive karli body really. And the fact that it has taken years for Sharon to be forgiven by the government for helping captain America while bucky barely got a slap on the wrists.
As someone with Anger issues...I am used to relating to assholes and aggressive characters rather than the so called "Heroes". Characters like John Walker made me sad. The dude was a veteran who legit just wanted to help people and motivate others only to be hated and heavily outmatched with no support as a scapegoat. Agatha went the whole show being a good character that never even did a thing besides duping Quicksilver to get closer to Wanda. However she gets fucked over and Wanda gets praise for villain behavior. I can't stand seeing this kind of writing.
It kind of shows Disney's morality tbh A militar man with human issues and that has morals, basically: a flawed human that people can relate too= evil and toxic masculinty A guy who whines during the entire show about being a black Captain America and then gets plaudits for defending terrorists(the main terrorist enemy being a girl)= good, that's the hero children will have to look for Not to mention how Agatha basically tried to defeat Wanda, which would basically free an entire town that she enslaved, even If she wanted to do so for selfish reasons, Agatha was pretty much (unitentionally) an anti hero while Wanda was the villain
The series has gotten too big imo. There’s been wayyy too many characters introduced in phase four. Phase four is similar to phase one in the fact that both phases are supposed to kick off a huge arc and introduce new characters. Phase one only introduced like four or five. Phase four has introduced like 10-15 new characters. Also they haven’t finished any of the old characters storylines with the exception of a few like captain America and iron man. Seems way too cluttered at this point with like thirty main characters now
Ironman, Captain America, Black Widow, Hawkeye, War Machine, and Thor, with Hulk being properly in the MCU until Avengers. That's pretty easy to keep with Phase 2 brought in the Guardians, Wanda, and Ant Man, as well as bringing back Bucky. The roster's basically doubled, but still manageable Phase 3 only really added Spider-man, Black Panther, Dr Strange, and Captain Marvel(who's introduced so late in the game that it's genuinely baffling why she's even there). Phase 4 easily matched the previous 3 phases and is going well beyond that, as they pull out every random character they can in the hopes of finding the next big hero people will care about. Only, this throwing everything to the wall to see what sticks method doesn't work if they don't actually hit the wall
You know what really annoys me about the fight between John Walker v Bucky and Sam. What's the first thing John says to them once he see's them after finally catching his breath, and his best friend dying. "You guys need a medic?" This isn't him just trying to push them away in the moment. He is genuinely asking them if they're ok. He's more concerned about these two guys who have been mostly assholes to him despite his best efforts to befriend them than himself. Neither of which are there to make sure he's ok but to take the shield from him and then instigate the fight. The writers of FATWS do not understand how to make a character unlikeable. Because John Walker is not a bad person. His biggest mistake was taking on a mantle that some people thought he wasn't worthy of. The guy has what three medals of honour? That's more than ANYONE in the real world! Fuck with that alone he's more than worthy of being Captain America. Then when asked if he's ever gone on top of grenade, he says he's done it more than once since he figured out a trick with helmet. What does the show do with this information? Ignore it. After getting his ass kicked by a super solider and non-supers. He gets the serum and doesn't take it until speaking with Lamar. He throws away the Shield to save lives when he has the chance to get revenge. Fuck everything Disney tries to spin in the show John Walker is a better hero than Bucky and Sam in this show.
It’s funny cause you know the writer intended for him to be the antagonist aka the male with toxic masculinity and he ironically ended up being one of the better parts of the show & the one with the most screen presence. That scene with him yelling in court was the best scene in the show
@@keithremedy Yup somehow these writers failed so hard they made the character by the way they write/frame the story were supposed to dislike, is better than our two leads heros morally.
"YoU hAvE To dO BeTtER SeNaToR" says the walking dumpster fire that was being nothing but unworthy of the Shield throughout the entire series. Gives away the shield to the government then is surprised when they gave it to someone else then proceeds to be a complete dickwad to the person that was awarded the Shield HE GAVE AWAY. Focking S tier award winning writing there.
That’s my main gripe with the MCU. They never bring up previous events that they should really talk about. No one really mentioned why there were several helicarriers and why they crashed, no one checked on Ironman when he was reported dead, no character mentioned that in the next movie. I also bet that one one will mention the Arishm(don’t know how to spell it) or hell the frozen celestial oh the ocean? They can’t just not mention them, in their world that has to be a total problem that some mysterious giant being popped up from your planet or just showing up. Then squeezing movies before other movies, like captain marvel and the eternals. If you go by what Carol says about other worlds not having heroes make it seem like she’s bad at her job since Thanos and Ronin were alive.
true but i believeits apart of the aspect of disney wanting money, they dont want the casual viewers to feel lost because they connect to alot of past events
Captain marvel can only protect one planet at a time, Thanos systematically at the time was going one by one conquering planets to eliminate half their population. And Ronan was only really a threat after Thanos loaned him the power stone which the guardians dealt with fine.
Yeah remember Avengers 1 tying into Tony's PTSD in Iron Man 3 or the fal of SHIELD in Captain America 2 tying in with Age of Ultron. Obviously also Age of Ultron and Civil War. For better or worse, Endgame affecting Far From Home. This is what we loved. It wasn't the cameos. It was having unique stories in the same UNIVERSE. Tony battling his enemies by himself within this larger world. Eternals just ignores this world while DS2 forces it on the movie with all the cameos.
The fact that you actually bring up good points instead of just sitting and yelling about how it simply wasn't what you personally wanted is refreshing for these types of videos. I agreed with a lot of it (especially the humor part)
@@lulu_TheWitchBoy ong I hate that stuff. They complain about wokeness and diversity being a fake issue but then start complaining once a non-white character is on screen for .0005 seconds
Phase 4 is what happens when you tell a good story over 10 years and never thought about how you would follow it up after sticking the landing. It all feels very rushed, while also expecting you to watch everything so you'll get the references and know what's going on. It's become more exhausting than entertaining.
I see two factors to blame for the MCU's flanderization: Disney's corporatism and Joss Whedon. After Disney purchased Marvel Comics, and especially after The Avengers (2012), DIsney saw the MCU as less of a series of films that could tell interesting stories and more of a product to sell. So the company began to release three to four films a year, and with that release schedule, the various people involved with making these films started using a formulaic structure to keep up. Speaking of The Avengers, that film was the start of the MCU's overreliance on quippy Whedon-esque dialogue. Eventually every character began to be written as if they had fallen out of a scrapped Whedon project. With exception of the villains, the hero characters all speak the same and there's not much for them to stand out in that regard.
I don't think this became too much of a major problem until relatively recently, but you're absolutely right about Joss Whedon. The Avengers was lightning in a bottle thag in hindsight I think only works the way it does because of the near perfect chemistry of the cast, but it is incredibly telling imo that the most memorable MCU movies post-Avengers that actually stand a good chance of standing the test of time as individual films are the ones that least attempted to ape Joss Whedon's brand of cheap humor, especually the Captain America movies and the last two Avengers movies from the Russos. Not that they don't do this a bit (or that they're perfect and not flawed in other ways), but these movies are great in no small part because they didn't use what humor they did have at the expense of genuine emotional moments and dramatic beats that needed to land to get the audience emotionally invested. They knew when to be serious so that we would take these characters and their stories seriously as we should if stories about such outlandish characters are gonna work (and have worked). The Guardians movies are an exception to the rule because James Gunn is actually funny, he knows how to earn a laugh, and he doesn't undermine his films' most important dramatic noments. Many of the weakest and most forgettable MCU films were often the ones that tried ape Joss Whedon's writing style instead of having their own voice (the actual thing that leads to big money). I still mostly love The Avengers and make no apologies for it, but the siccess of Joss Whedon is one of the single biggest detriments to the longterm sustainability of the MCU imo. The second biggest detriment is that Kevin Fiege seems to be increasingly pandering to the woke crowd as if Twitter is an accurate reflection of real life.
Yeah, the quips are more of a Spider-Man thing. They just gave that to everyone to try to make people care for them as much as Spider-Man who has always been the most popular
That would've been a good way to go about it. Instead it's mostly glossed over. Even in the show that's focused around it, the depiction feels underwhelming and poorly thought through
@@InfernosReaper not only underwhelming, but they didn't do anything WITH the Blip, instead they just used it as septic tank for jokes without payoff, about the biggest genocide in the history of that universe.
@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 and then instead of resetting things back to the way it was, they cause people bipped away to show up after why? because tony stark can solve time travel, but figure out how to keep his family as is despite knowing the quantum realm puts people outside the effects of the infinity stones
@@InfernosReaper yes! Everytime they handwaved the Snap and made jokes felt awkward and out-of-place. Not to mention the Blip was a monutain of narrative possibilities.
@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 yeah, nothing but squandered potential and half-assery. it's a pity, really hell, you'd think the mcu was a bad shonen anime with little the writers think of the audience and how inconsequential the stakes ultimately truly are
Well said, sir. The deterioration of the MCU, though it took wayyy too long, is finally being acknowledged by general audiences. Phase 4's legacy will not be a fondly remembered one... if, of course, anybody can remember it... at all. Very well made video. Hope to see more from ya in the future.
Couldn't agree more. The humor really got outta hand with Phase 2. They thought Avengers was the way every movie should be and they just leaned into those elements without understanding the reason Avengers worked. It worked because of how genuine and serious a lot of Phase 1 was. Also, Phase 1 had serious characters and comedic characters. Tony was a douche, Cap was funny but more in a dad way, Thor was funny because he's a fish outta water, and Black Widow, Hawkeye and Hulk were more serious characters. After Phase 1, everyone became a comedian. By the time Phase 2 was over (with the exception of Winter Soldier), we had a comedy universe. The moment where the MCU jumped the shark in terms of comedy for me was Iron Man 3 when they had Mandarin be an actor and at one point I think the main bad guy breathes fire. Oh and Pepper ends up dying but immediately coming back to save Tony. This was really the beginning of the female empowerment for no reason other than to shoehorn female empowerment. Then Thor 2, my god. I remember Thor just saw his mom get killed, then he sees Loki "die" and immediately in the next scene, we see Thor having a comedic scene where he's jealous of a phone call Jane makes. It's straight up silly and it undermines what just happened in the previous scene.
I think most of the movies made before the avengers series is better than the avengers series. The writing becomes very messy when you have to appease air time for so many characters. Let’s be honest Thor ragnarok is really the only good movie made since the first avengers movie. Every other movie is just an over blown mess or a just a live action version of the lion king (black panther).
@@blankname6629 Thor ragnarok makes Thor look like a stupid clown and not like a 1500+ yo god. Taika take on making characters funny = make them dumb as hell.
@@blankname6629 Lol no, not even close. Winter Soldier is leagues better. Ragnarok, like L&T, is just "dramatic or emotional scene undercut by shitty comedy: the movie".
@@blankname6629 Unfortunately I think people who belive Thor Ragnarok is a good movie is the same people who ruined marvel. Thor Ragnarok is a 2 hours admission of incompetence in terms of writing. "we don't know how to make Thor interesting so we made him a clown. Go Thor, make a funny!"
You’ve made a lot of great points here. I’d like to hear your opinion on moon knight, Spider-Man, and Dr strange. I think you’re right on a lot of points, and the main one for me is the awful jokes. Cheesy jokes? Idk I love cheesy jokes so the I’m at either bad or simply not for me. You’ve shown me how there is definitely a difference in the writing compared to Civil War, Iron Man, Ragnorok, BP, something feels different.
Dr strange 2 is a mixed bag bcz of the writing being dumb, Spider-Man no way home great even with the dr strange memory spell writing being dumb. Also dr strange and scarlet witch mainly suck cuz they have vague power sets unlike iron man, captain America.
@@mrcrabs9296 Here I'll do it for you, and here's your spoiler warning for all the peeps who haven't seen the movie. from what I counted, I figure 4 major problems with the film that make me enjoy it less than the first doctor strange. 1: It basically murdered the power scaling. Wanda being neigh unstopable just kinda doesn't fit the genre of film Super Hero movies are, which I can respect Sam Raimi for trying to pull off here, however in respect to the narratives that came before, Wanda should have been able to nuke Thanos' army from orbit, with little to no excuse. Her one man assasult on Kamar-Taj just kinda made everyone else's magic feel useless. 2: Because of said power disparity from Strange to her, which if you went by the Comics, Doctor Strange is actually leagues above Scarlet Witch in terms of Magical abilities, which leads into how the magic system on display throughout Doctor Strange 1 and 2 is a lazy version of soft magic with no clear rules or expectations, the characters are kinda able to do things cause the plot demanded it. Hence Strange basically explaining how the entire plot was contrieved due to America's ability just randomly tossing them places all willy nilly with seemingly no rhyme or reason other than plot. 3: Literally the entire section surrounding the Illuminati, The Wanda Scarlet Witch takes over should have resisted more. because of the fact that she is also using the same magic she has. This problem extends over to the characters in the Illuminati. The fact they just got picked off made their dramatic introduction a complete and total joke. For example, Reed Richards is THE smartest character in Marvel, why the fuck did he not have some kind of plan or expectation things would go south? He could have completely dispelled the situation with The Ultimate Nullifier. Wiping Wanda from existence with no trouble. Instead, Black Bolt, (Who has telepathy by the way,) gets his mouth removed and dies like an idiot, Reed gets turned into literal spaghetti, also another fun fact that annoyed the hell out of me, is the fact that Reed's son Franklin is about 1000x more powerful than the Scarlet Witch could over dream of being. (which is also why stories involving him are kinda bland and always end up in a draw or Franklin just fixing everything.} 4: The over reliance of MacGuffins. This entire film is built on MacGuffins, basically America is a walking, talking MacGuffin. Her power is lame as hell and is literally the plot device for the narrative to move, and why exactly his her power tied to her life force? Is this explained? No. Does her dying matter to Steven, it shouldn't. The Opening sequence made no sense and felt rushed for a flanderized version of Strange to be an asshole so that the plot can continue. America is basically a paperweight to the story and could have just as easily been replaced by a sentient Robot with a universal teleportation system built and the plot would have been exactly the same. Weird spell books that basically shoehorn what ever is needed into the plot. All that being said, I actually did enjoy the movie, however it does actually have some serious problems with it's story writing that just make no damn sense. But to the point of the video, its fun to watch, but from a story perspective, It needs work.
GameExplorer011 Wanda was already empowered by the Darkhold, even if you say that doesn’t give her power (implying the power is already there), it enhances her powers due to the spells in the book. She has been using it since Wandavision and has had plenty of time to become more skilled and powerful. Wanda was also probably more focused on getting revenge on Thanos during endgame, but eh, I chalk it up to them wanting to use Captain Marvel instead. 2. Franklin and the Ultimate Nullifier aren’t even present in the movie, not even present in the Marvel movies as a whole actually. They come way later, and Franklin is still a child nonetheless - meaning that he might’ve been oblivious to the fight going on at Illuminati’s base. Don’t use things that haven’t entered the MCU yet to say it made no sense. 3. As for the Illuminati part, I liked it despite the hiccups that were there. Yes, Mr. Fantastic’s move didn’t make much sense but I guess he was more focused on de-escalating the situation - don’t know why he didn’t use much technology to fight Wanda unless he underestimated her. Still, he can’t plan for literally *every* situation. Anyways, I don’t think many of them stood much of a chance nonetheless. Wanda was stated to literally be capable of warping reality, and none of them had a counter to that, and Black Bolt has limited telepathy anyways.
@@GameExplorer0115 maybe more runtime and exploring the different stranges and the illuminati would have improved the movie to the level of the first Dr strange
@@mrcrabs9296 the cameos mainly, then the mid credit third eye stuff, and the worst offender being scarlet witch chase sequence she could have easily killed Dr strange and/or taken America Chavez at any part of the chase sequence instead of walking really slowly. The only parts i genuinely was thrilled about were the alternate stranges which unfortunately were barely explored. The campy horror Raimi directing was the only thing saving the movie's plot's underused potential.
I completely disagree with your assessment of Winter Soldier's SHIELD problem. The reason they didn't take the Avengers out early is because they were an asset. Hydra didn't want an alien invasion to destroy the world, so recognized the value of keeping them around and in Stark's case began taking his technology (why kill the guy inventing all the cool stuff and just handing it to you?) Also why would they have taken the Tesseract from SHIELD when they, effectively, WERE SHIELD? They had every reason to let them keep it, it was a nice way to keep it protected and they knew right where it was if it was needed again.
I think what he was getting at was why were the Avengers discovering HYDRA a problem, when HYDRA was in the perfect position to eliminate them and secure all their objectives?I could see how the revelation of a secret Nazi death cult, hiding inside the world police would fall flat when all their villainy fails to kill anyone important to the story.
@@moxiemaxie3543 Loki wasn't a regular, powerless human. He's an Ice Giant. Completely different race, and safe to assume completely different physical prowess In the Wanda show, while they do say she's the bad guy (And this video was written and released before Strange), the show does nothing to actually have her see she's the bad guy, has characters defend her actions, and overall framed her to be a sympathetic hero. As far as virtue signaling goes, it's a bit subjective as to what is or isn't. I personally believe that Marvel does a lot of both, with movies like Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Black Widow being examples of virtue signalling, but Falcon and the Winter Soldier being an example of good inclusion.
IMO, I think Marvel and DC take turns to peak and slump. Around the time we had the Dark Knight movies, the MCU was pretty much down. Marvel's revival began with Iron Man, and then it was DC's turn to sort of take a back seat. Now that the MCU has lost its flavor, I think its now time for DC movies to pick back up
Yeah, I'm just worried that Marvel is focusing on quantity over quality. As in, they are so desperate to pump out as many movies as possible, that they compromise on the quality of the stories or the characters
I have to say, it's refreshing to see someone take an objective look at Marvel's Phase 4 and outline the serious issues Marvel needs to address. Solid video, agree with a lot of your points
The thing with Loki is that his character development in his show relies on his growth throughout the MCU until Infinity war. But it doesn't work because he came straight outta Avengers.
I fell off the MCU a long time ago. it's sad that the 2018 Spider-Man game and 2021 guardians of the Galaxy game gave me much much better storytelling and way more moments of actual emotional nuance than almost everything the MCU has churned out
@@miguelquintero1374 Thats obvious for a single film, but for the shows each episode is about 40-50 minutes. Wandavision is 9 episodes, Falcon and WS is 6 episodes, and Loki is 6 episodes. So more than enough time to make a decent story.
@@darthchilde8880 Loki is the better of the shows If they didn't make Loki a bitch by getting bested by humans numerous times, and making that girl the star of the show. Loki used to be threatening, but he is just the laughing stock. Similar to how they ruined Thor.
@@antviper135 but no humans defeated loki, they r tva agents. And use time manipulation, i mean avengers defeated thanos using time manipulation so i dont think its fairto say loki lost to humans cuz in that case thanos lost to a human too likewise.
I loved the fact that the movies before endgame took time to flesh characters out, and let people come up with their own conclusions. Recently characters haven't felt like themselves, I know I didn't like how hulk was portrayed in Thor 2. Its really sad because these characters have a lot of history and conflicts that made us invested in their stories, watching all that source material not matter so much has been hard to watch, even on movies I sort of enjoyed. Dr strange wasn't like Dr Strange in the spiderman movie, felt like he was nefted just to be in that movie. The multiverse of madness had holes I mentally had to not bring up so as to enjoy the movie. Glad I sat through your video, my hope is that the people making these decisions really see how bad its gotten and right the course for the next phase.
@@LordVader1094 you must forgive people for forgetting about Dark World. Other than Thor's mom dying and Loki faking his death with all that can after that in the last few minutes, there was literally nothing of that movie that had any consequences
I completely appreciate this video. I've watched the recent Spiderman once and the TV shows once, but The Batman three times because of how enjoyable it was. That says a lot when it used to be the opposite. I really do hope Blade is good, that's the movie I'm really looking forward to.
@@OnePieceDrums spiderman no way home is mostly carried by the nostalgic moments in the movie. While the batman is a masterpiece. Stunning cinematography, thrilling story. Its really good
@@Abhimanyu_sunil And MoM confirmed one thing to me: No way home was made just to feel like Sony is yet part of the MCU, while not being really important to this new phase.
@@lucassantossj MoM tried to ride the nostalgia train like No way home but just ended up butchering the entire thing. The writing and motivations were god awful and there were no stakes since either no one actually dies in the original universe or the wizards can just come up with whatever exmachina spell they needed to slog the plot forward
You can tell from this Phase that after Endgame they did not a have Plan for the MCU going forward. It's been nothing but one disappointment after another, No Way Home Withstanding.
Yeah. It really shows. They are literally all over the place at this point ; and there's really no structured plot building or interconnectedness behind any of the stories. What exactly is phase 4 supposed to be building up to?? I don't really see any. These might be signs of the MCU's decline.
Actually the Russo brothers just came out stating in an article that Fiege apparently has never had a real plan to any of the MCU since taking over it fully back in 2016. But I think enough of the previous MCU set up when the films were being made under paramount helped assist him all the way up to Endgame where it felt like the past 10 years of Marvel's cinematic universe really had some closure to it. Then of course like with all things, continued greed to milk as much money out of the phenomena that was the MCU ultimately led to a severe dip in its quality and the complete lack of a plan for the universe going forward shows now, more than ever. SMH
You verbalized and put into video everything I've been thinking and telling friends about phase 4, particularly the shows. Among many sins committed by the writing, those shows completely butcher existing characters and establish bland new ones. I'm sure you noticed all the dissent in the comments aren't backed by much, if at all, which leads me to believe that the dislike bombing came from MCU stans from Instagram who repost each other's horrible content. This was a great video, you earned a like and a sub for sure
The 4 MCU movies released last year are in the top 6 highest grossing movies of the last 3 years(Pandemic era).. If we only count Domestic numbers than marvel has 4 movies in the top 5 highest grossing movies of the pandemic era.
The MCU has a special place in my heart because it was thanks to this cinematic universe where I ended up meeting my first friends around the time of Civil War, I remember I would discuss the movies for hours on end with them. And when Infinity War came out, the whole school was freaking out on its hypeness. Then the lockdown happened and I couldn’t see my friends for 2 years, we only recently met up to watch Multiverse of Madness a few weeks back and I remembered just how uninterested we were about the whole thing. We still gelled well but there was this aura of ehhhh when it came to us discussing content that came out around Phase 4, there were obviously a few gems like Ho way Home and Moon Knight but then there was Eternals,Black Widow, Loki and now Doc Strange 2 being ehh. We ended up looking back on how far this series came and realised the magic seemed to be slowly fading as Phase 4 continued. And it had begun to fade after Infinity War because that to us felt like the ABSOLUTE peak of the MCU. I guess we just kinda grew up and realised that the writers got lazy eventually.
Honestly it was quite obvious Endgame was the peak even before it came out. It's impossible for Marvel, or anyone, to get that amount of hype again. Idk we'll have to wait 10 years and find out. Interested on what direction Feige is planning
@@racool911 14 years ago someone would've said the same about a shared universe of superheroes...but it happened. It's not impossible by far. The thing is, when your universe gets as wide and rich as the MCU's became, you need talented, smart and experienced writers in order to keep the whole thing coherent, consistent,and also keeping it from falling apart in terms.of quality. Yet what Marvel did was stop hiring writers and start hiring activists, that have no idea how to write a superhero story. Let me put that right, they have no idea how to write, period. Hence the results. As long as they keep this and that stupid idea of pushing garbage out every other month(to make matters even worse) it won't get better
@@racool911 Honestly, Endgame wasn't even that good. It had some great moments, but that final showdown was even more contrived than the girl power scene contained within. Plus when ya think about it, the time heist approach was rather idiotic, literally dumber than the "fat Thor's supposed to be a joke, even though later they take it seriously" thing. Infinity War might as well have been the end of the MCU.
The infinity stone thing is actually something from the comics. Infinity stones can't work outside their own universe, and the TVA is presumably outside of it and possibly any whatsoever. The super strength nullification is BS however.
I’m glad you talked about the hate towards John Walker. The amount of unfair hate he got started pissing me off a little, tbh, back when the show was airing. I mean, people are allowed to hate whichever character they want, but it’s really sad to see people take the sides of the bullies if they are the protagonist, makes me wonder how people react when they’re friends are the bullies who twist the story around to make their victims look like the bad guy
I swear to god, people will sympathize with *anyone* as long as they're the protagonist of the story. Remember when Joker came out and we forgot he was a mass murdering psychopath?
@Eli Ben Well John Walker is essentially an "anti-hero Captain America." But I get your point as what led to him becoming "USAgent" could've been better.
@@DemonicRemption I do actually really like the anti hero part of Walker, and I can’t wait to see more of him, but yeah, I really wanted to see him get an apology in the show, because it wasn’t him who started the fire, it was our heroes
It seems like they (MCU) don't really have a direction, I thought they did with Loki and introducing Kang variants, but with NWH and Multiverse of Madness it doesn't seem they are capitalizing on that. For instance, I want to see more Kang variants in multiple places (instead of Captain Marvel in mom, it should have been a Kang variant).
@@emfasisproductions1 yup, that would just be another variant of Kang. I think there should be more "Kang's" in various movies to keep reminding people of the looming threat that is to come, which is that one Kang.
Yeah, I though that Kang will be a looming threat for Phase 4 (maybe even continuing in Phase 5) just like Thanos was in Phases 1-3. Silly me, looks like he will just appear in Quantumania and maybe Loki S2. Such a shame because the actor is really fucking good. Oh, and those statements about Loki S1 having impact on NWH and MoM completely fell apart too.
Until now everything on Disney+ didn’t really impact the movies… Wanda on MOM seemed not having her arc on Wanda vision, no whatsoever Lang, no sign on the new your mess from Hawkeye in NWH
I'd argue the best part of Loki is Tom Hiddleston himself. You can tell he loves the character a lot, but at the same time they drastically changed what made Loki who he was to begin with. Not to mention Sylvie basically took his place (Kinda ironic). She deceives him in order to get what SHE wants. You'd think Loki of all people would be able to see through something like that smh
@@lulu_TheWitchBoy I'm baffled why people always include that show as one of their favorites. The show had so many plot holes you could drive a semi through with room to spare.
36:43 Yes, I do. I really liked Mobius, and I’m excited to see more of him. I don’t think he’s as cool as any of the superheros like Ragnarok Thor or pre-Loki Loki, but he’s by far the most enjoyable character in that show.
I really really wish they explored the blip in its entirety. I love the movies and superheroes and whatever, but the blip is still by far the more interesting and complex topic in the universe.
I just think they need to hold back on releases. It really is oversaturated. Even the MCU before phase 4 had some mediocre movies but now there's just so much, it's impossible not to notice. However, I think Shang-Chi, Loki, Doctor Strange 2, and even Hawkeye were actually really good and I enjoyed them just as much as some of the other phases
@@IcyDiamond I do like No Way Home. When I first saw it, it spent a brief period of time as one of my favourite movies ever. So much so that I went and saw it 5 times in theaters, which I regret doing because I'm past the nostalgia now and, it's still good. No Way Home is definitely a positive. But it just barely gets through the top 10 MCU for me now
About the TVA, it is implied they have different departments with different variants, so they send crews that would be capable of taking out any variant threat. The TVA doesn't intervene unless a variant of Kang that is evil is created, so cap traveling back must have not effected the course events to be unpruned.
And from what it sounds like, the TVA basically just did what Rick Sanchez did in the last season of Rick & Morty (no surprise since they hired a writer from that show for Loki). The "Sacred Timeline" is basically good Kang's attempt at blocking off a certain section of the multiverse from the wider, more chaotic multiverse so that at least some of it could be prevented from creating evil Kang.
You called it all out, and anyone who defends this isn't able to think for themselves. The huge plot holes, the inconsistent writing, character development that is ignored to further the plot, the constant need for jokes that don't land (even if it undercuts a serious moment), time travel and multiverse not having consistent rules, ideology taking precedent over anything else when they decide to shoehorn it in, the constant disrespect to everything that came before and the existing characters (who can be turned into a cheap joke), the inconsistent world building, characters being incompetent for either a cheap joke or for the plot to work, and the convoluted mess of different unrelated stories that are more about making constant products to consume than building up to something.
Something that always bothered me about the Blip was that they never went into how many people would have died during the Return. Think about it: pedestrians reappearing in the missile of the street, airline travelers reappearing in the open sky with no plane, people on cruise ships reappearing in the middle of the ocean with no ship, people reappearing in the middle of life-saving surgeries, people reappearing int he middle of active construction sites, or new wars, etc. etc.
Marvel confirmed hulk already thought of that and made them re blip in a safe place but yes I agree with you they should have addressed that in the movie
Nice analysis and commentary. I hope the MCU can return to its 2014-era peak, but it will be tough to juggle all these different writers with different visions for the story.
@@diannajennings266 Bad movies can still make tons of money - it doesn't really mean anything when it comes to quality. It's more of a measure of popularity. For instance, Transformers 2-4 made billions despite being worse than the first.
@@YossarianAssyrian If you compare critic and audience ratings across the internet you will find out that Phase 4 MCU movies have a lot higher ctitical rsyinhs and Audience ratings than any Transformers movies,it's not even close.(except for Eternals maybe even though Audience score of Eternals is still better than Trsnsfitners,but that didn't contribute alot to the box office anyway even though it made over 400 million) It's not about Money alone but considering all metrics....
@@YossarianAssyrian Also .... Phase 4 is already more successful than Phase 1 and 2 of the MCU and when Dr Strange 2 make another billion(which is certain) ,it could be the most successfull phase ever especially with Black Panther and Thor 4 coming in phase 4 too.And we are not even talking about the hugely successful MCU TV shows on Disney
@@diannajennings266 well these critics seriously don`t know how to review just take an example that what if? won best animated series whereas there were many well deserving nominations such as invincible, arcane and young justice also if I remember correctly one also said black widow is best marvel movie and they rated it 7.5/10 and that movie doesn`t even deserve 4/10.
@@reeshitdey568 Just because What if won some best animated series award somewhere doesn't mean it's better.Its not like it won every single awards available.. It's all subjective.. If someone rate Black Widow higher than you ,it doesn't mean they are wrong either. It is what it is
23:57 I agree with this. The Variants are all normal Humans while Loki is basically a Frost Giant/Aesir Hybrid with all the strength that entails. Loki should have been able to Brute Force his way out.
i think they imply that the mindstone was possessing loki in avengers when you see him tearing up near thor , and even when the avengers are arguing on the hangar and being a little too aggressive. but it still doesn’t explain it since he was still just as “anti villain” in thor 1 and 2
but he didnt do mass killing the way he did in avengers. i still think loki show is better than most of mcu movies and shows.ppl should jst wait till the saga ends t decide that it was good or not.
Very solid points. The Loki example bothered me especially. I though that I was the only one who had a problem with the TVA. The lack of creativity and poor characterization drives me up a wall.
I find Wandavision being the most egregious. These mofos in the writing room really sat there and said "We'll have Wanda warp reality and not have her entire phone book's worth of super powered friends not even check up on her." Dude, a literal Avenger was in distress where is everyone? You want me to believe that Nick Fury will send Krees from fucking outer space just to hand deliver a pair of glasses to Peter Parker but Wanda isn't afforded that kind of help when she clearly needs an intervention.
Seeing as The Eternals were created by the Celestial I personally Highly Doubt The Snap affected THEM. I was curious and Googled the Celestial just to see who was among their number; and one reference noted that Galactis who is considered to be a MINOR Celestial views Thanos as little more than a gnat buzzing annoyingly about the universe. This leads me to believe that the Celestials are of such universal cosmic power that even the infinity stones can't affect them (even when combined). Of course I have never seen any instance to tell me one way or another, this is all just assumptions and guessing. However as the Celestials and Eternals are essentially immortal they may not be categorized as "all living things." Again just speculation, but that's what I'm going to go with.
@@endangeredspecies8441 I don't doubt that at all; I just mean that even WITH all that power, if the celestials only see Thanos as simply a nuisance, they must be overly OP. of course some speculate that introducing Thanos' brother in eternals "confirms" HIS Eternal status. Personally I think that's a leap, myself; until one of the movies actually SAYS it Thanos will always be another mortal creature. Albeit a powerful one, but not an Eternal.
it was only all living things on this planet correct? I definitely don't think Eternals are "of this planet". So they wouldn't be effected. But I do think the Gauntlet could get rid of Celestials if Thanos specefically wanted that to happen. But that would basically be asking to destroy all life everywhere wouldn't it?
@@gamblertoguru382 No, Thanks erased 50% of all living things in the Universe. Hence Captain Marvel's line: "What's happening here, is happening everywhere, on every planet. And unfortunately they don't have you guys.". Remember? Thanos believed that the whole universe easy balanced, not just Earth. Earth itself is nothing to Thanos.
Galactus isnt really a celestial, he is the only one of his species and doesnt properly have a physical form, on a full stomach he decks the celestials. ruclips.net/video/LZ-U_tBnOjo/видео.html heres a video on his power
Bruh I felt like I was the only one. The projects are all over the place rn and in my opinion setting up way to many different things at once, to the point where it’ll be years before we get continuations or conclusions from each project they set up.
The Humor in the MCU has gotten out of control and is turning these films into what I like to call fast food movies. These movies are made to be so easily digestible with no hardcore ties to anything else or any consequences to the point where it all just feels like a Saturday film. I liked Infinity War bc it actually had stakes. The jokes were here and there but it added to the film, it didn’t kill it or fall flat on its face unlike so other films *cough cough Eternal… The Batman works so fucking well bc it knows it’s characters and it’s setting. It’s a dark and gritty world with actual consequences that the main character has to deal with. It’s not trying to throw jokes at you every 5 minutes to just keep your interest bc the writers know they are soo deep into the franchise that they no longer give a flying shit about any of these films. Marvel films are hero stories that are supposed to inflect a sense of morale and hope into its audience. Not a fucking Saturday Night Live stand up comedy show.
Absolutely. Great fucking smack down speech. That's why I'm steering away from marvel ; and getting more into DC. It's just way more grounded in realism.
@@ravinglibertopian3226 seriously. I’ve thought this for a while and I was one of the first ones to call out Eternals bs even with the trailer release The CGI just screamed rushed and less care put into it than the other films but ppl called me crazy And I’m gonna say it right now Thor Love and Thunder scares me bc it honestly looks like everything that’s bad in marvel put into one film. Rough CGI, jokes everywhere and a very loose story of Thor “finding himself”. They can take this in an amazing way but I bet my money they’ll take the lazy route.
@@TLN_Nello Tell me about it. It's hard finding a reason to stick around for the MCU when a lot of it's newer installments are becoming more and more cookie cutter after another, focusing more on messaging and humor rather than deep, high stakes serious story building. Phase 4 is trying to spin way too many stories at 1 time ; and it makes the bigger picture harder to follow. I still don't even know what larger story phase 4 is trying to build up to or what direction it wants to take. This is really my central problem with phase 4. It kinda feels artificial, whereas the other 3 phases already had a larger story to build up to(Thanos) ; so they felt much more organic. I don't get that same high stakes vibe at all with phase 4.
@@ravinglibertopian3226 Some people say it feels that way bc it’s still early on in the “new era of marvel” but it shouldn’t feel that way. Captain America started out with literally no backing of the other marvel films at all. Eternals, Shang Chi, Black Widow…these are movies that should’ve EASILY been top tier. You have the hype of the previous films but that’s the problem, these new writers they are letting write these films DO NOT CARE whatsoever and it shows hard. I also blame Disney plus for this. Back in the other 3 phases we had only the big screen to see these films on. Now it’s in two places and almost being treated as separate entities when it’s all in..one..universe? Get it together Marvel holy shit.
@@TLN_Nello Yes. The writers seem to think that they can keep riding off the success of past MCU installments forever ; and because of that, are getting lazy and complacent in their storytelling. If they don't get it together ; that past momentum of success isn't going to last forever.
I completely agree with all the points you made against TFATWS, Sam literally cared more about a mass murderer then another black soldier, mind your the whole series is a lot of stuff about race
I lost it in Falcon and The Winter Soldier when Falcon (who at this point has been casually beating aliens) and Bucky (who has more combat experience than anyone alive and also fought aliens) struggle versus two bit terrorist like Flag Smashers
I admit, I'm a marvel fanboy, but I agree that a good portion of the MCU is in a bit of a weird place right now. Far from home, was far from the disaster I feared it would be, but I'm still gonna look at the MCU and the marvel brand in general with more critical eyes. And don't think DC is safe either. They may have given us the Snyder cut (about fucking time), James Gunn's Suicide Squad, and even Shazam, but they still cursed our screens with Blunder Woman 1984, the 2016 Suicide Squad, and don't get me started on BvS. No one gets special treatment in my house.
Uh yea someone didn’t see the new Batman movie lol… if anything DC is changing for the better and the MCU is.. well not. I told everyone since Ironman, DC gives actual cinema.. this will always out green screens, cgi, and hokey jokes
Moon Knight is a breath of fresh air for the MCU. Really hope they keep it going with S2. It felt like a comic on screen without the issues of the other current MCU stuff.
@@Augusto_Pinochet no it was about a mentally ill man coping with his did while being involved working for a deity, layla was just a support for marc/steven while he was going through alot in his mind. stop thinking everything is ab the political status quo.
@@Augusto_Pinochet Dude What? I believe Layla saved Moon Knight Twice or 3 times. And she's literally the only women/female execpt maybe the hippo Once to introduce herself and save Steven, Once I think near the middle and One for her avatar reveal. It also clearly focuses on Mark/Steven.
Woke Phase Four: WandaVision: Female-led show that introduces two more major female characters, Agatha Harkness (who will get her own series) and Monica Rambeau. A cameo by Dr. Strange intended to explain all the commercials as his efforts to contact her through the Hex was written out despite the fact that it would make perfect sense and tie the series into the larger MCU because it was thought that even the appearance of a major male character would somehow detract from Wanda’s journey. That leaves the show’s only white male as the villain, naturally. We are also introduced to Wanda’s two children, one of which we know will grow up to be gay (future box checked). Falcon & the Winter Soldier: The first half of the show largely involves lecturing the audience on how racist America is, even though there was not a single MCU fan who didn’t cry or cheer (or both) when Steve handed over his shield to Sam. Towards the end the show shifts gears to start lecturing the audience on immigration and open borders instead. The villain is a female POC, but we find out she’s not really a bad guy after all, with the darkest acts actually committed by the new white male Captain America. We also get introduced to a major new female character in Contessa Valentina. Loki: The series is promoted as being about the male character Loki, but the plot is actually centered around the new female version of Loki (a theme that will continue). Male Loki spends most of the film trying to catch up with or figure out the machinations of female Loki who is always two steps ahead, giving us a female character who is better than the show’s main male character at whatever the male character is supposedly the best at (another theme that will continue). Kang the Conqueror, a major character and descendant of white Reed Richards, is race-swapped to be black. Black Widow: Female-led movie that introduces several new major female characters in Yelena Belova and the Iron Maiden. Taskmaster was inexplicably gender-swapped to female as well, retconning the character’s powers and entire origin story to do so. The only males in the film are a simp desperate for Natasha’s approval, a deadbeat Dad who only succeeds at being a punchline for the basest forms of toxic masculinity and a two-dimensional misogynist white male villain so over-the-top and cartoony that he actually says out loud that the world has too many little girls in it. Shang-Chi: Another obscure character that no one was asking for is introduced so that he can be touted as the first Chinese super-hero, crossing off another box on the identity politics bingo card. We meet multiple new female characters, including Shang-Chi’s sister, who is given little plot development and seems to only be in the film to kick Shang-Chi’s ass, giving us a female character who is better than the show’s main male character at whatever the male character is supposedly the best at. She may be getting her own series. Eternals: A movie about an obscure super team that no one asked for and one that has massive implication in the MCU but is then completely ignored by all other MCU productions. The team predominantly features gay members, handicapped members, race-swapped members and gender- swapped members. Despite it being the most ‘diverse and inclusive’ cast ever, the movie was watched by literally no one. Hawkeye: The series is promoted as being about the male character Hawkeye, but the plot is actually centered around the new female version of Hawkeye. It also features the female anti-hero Yelena Belova and introduces a major new female character, the Native American and handicapped Echo (who will get her own series). Spider-Man - No Way Home: The only MCU film not owned by Disney. There is no identity politics in it whatsoever, instead focusing on nostalgia and great story-telling. Consequently, it became far and away the biggest hit of the entire MCU post-Endgame. Dr. Strange and the Multi-Verse of Madness: The movie was promoted as being about the male character Stephen Strange, but the plot is centered around Wanda Maximoff. Strange spends the entire movie running from or unsuccessfully trying to hold off Wanda’s powerful magic, giving us a female character who is better than the show’s main male character at whatever the male character is supposedly the best at. It also introduces us to a major new female character in Hispanic America Chavez, who has two gay moms and manages to lecture the audience on how food (and presumably healthcare) should be free for all. After Dr. Strange repeatedly fails to save the day, Wanda ends up redeeming her own self and seemingly sacrificing herself in the process. A post-credit cameo also introduces us to yet another major female character in Clea. Ms. Marvel: Female-led show that introduces us to the major female character and first-ever Muslim character (another box checked), the otherwise obscure and un-asked for Ms. Marvel. This show will tie in to the upcoming all-female movie The Marvels, featuring Captain Marvel and Monica Rambeau. Thor: Love and Thunder: This show is promoted as being about the male character Thor but the plot is actually centered around the new female Thor (Jane Foster) and her battle with cancer. Female Thor, dubbed ‘The Mighty Thor’, is also able to command the loyalty and powers of Mjolnir (which reforms solely for her) better than male Thor, giving us a female character who is better than the show’s main male character at whatever the male character is supposedly the best at. We are also introduced to a brand-new female character in ‘Love’ at the movie’s end. The movie is a wealth of identity box-checking as it features bisexual Norse-but-somehow-still-black Valkyrie, the non-binary son of Norse-but- somehow-still-black Heimdall (who manages to lecture the audience on the evils of ‘dead-naming’), gay Korg, gay Korg’s two gay dads and even a cross-dressing Miek. The phenomenal performance of the evil alien-but-somehow-still-whiter-than-white villain is unfortunately wasted and the virtues of the rainbow coalition are even further promoted by giving us an evil realm whose main distinctive feature is its oppression and exclusion of diverse colors. Also, the legendary God Zeus is depicted as overly- effeminate (complete with a flouncy little skirt) and the subtext of the entire film is essentially a scathing indictment of religion and, by extension, anyone who would be foolish enough to actually be religious. She-Hulk - Attorney at Law: Female-led series that introduces us to the major female character Jennifer Walters Her origin story is inexplicably changed away from having Bruce Banner save her life to it merely being an accident in a canon-shredding case of Hulk’s blood simply touching hers. Unlike Bruce, Jennifer immediately has full control of her mental faculties and can combine her power and her intelligence in a way that it took Bruce years and years to master (even though he was one of the world’s leading scientific geniuses), giving us a female character who is better than the show’s male character at whatever the male character is supposedly the best at. The series shifted away from its intended premise of court-room procedural when the showrunner realized that no one in the writer’s room ‘knew how to write courtroom drama’ (?) and instead leaned into token female empowerment in every way imaginable, from having a beloved male hero forced to take the ‘walk of shame’ to making the ultimate villains be cartoonish white male incels and internet trolls. Black Panther - Wakanda Forever: Namor’s backstory and origins are completely retconned so that Marvel can have its first Mexican character (another box checked) and of course we replace male Black Panther with female Black Panther and introducing a black female Ironheart (who will get her own series) to replace the white male Iron Man. Continuing the well-established trend, both will undoubtedly be better at whatever the male hero they are replacing was best at. Interestingly, somehow the Aztec-born Namor managed to be around for his original culture to be subjugated by white slave owners but somehow missed the rape, murder, enslavement, human sacrifice and cannibalism that the Aztec themselves were notorious for for centuries.
so if a protagonist is a female or black character it's woke? The only time I would consider something woke is when they include LGBTQ shit in other than that I think the movies are alright
I personally didn't hate Kurt Russel's Son (Walker), thought he was supposed to be a divisive character not an all around hated one just because Bucky was pouting about it. The detail in this video is ridiculous, you put a lot of hard work into this! Obviously I don't agree with 100% of your opinions, but you were brave enough to just say what you thought without worrying about what others would think. That alone deserves a like and sub.
I agree 1000% I just saw Dr. Strange 2. They are just pumping these things out with no thought. These films used to be great. They have now ruined Hulk, Thor & Strange.
its not affecting their bottom line lol. Doctor Strange 2 had a stellar worldwide opening at $450 million, yet another sign that marvel isnt slowing down and its mass appeal isn't waning.
Agreed. I was utterly disappointed after seeing DS2. He himself felt like a sidecharacter in his own solo movie. Couldn’t do shit without the help of someone else. The Illuminati were cucked hard asf too. What a fucking waste of time.
@@Kessekom yeah phenomenal. It was Wanda vision pt 2. Woke plot line. Sorcerer Supreme gets possessed by demons yet Christine can grab a spirit by the throat. It was cheese. But it's cool. U can clap at everything they throw out
remember the days when you didn't have to watch all the movies to get an understanding on the overall story of the mcu and they were all their own movie not relying on cameos and end credit scenes for people to be hyped. Not to mention they had characters you cared about. Yeah throw all out the window for phase 4
I wouldn't say they rely on cameos the films don't need them but THE FANS won't shut tf up about who they wanna see cameo in a film due to NWW since now they know if they beg tf out of Marvel they will eventually listen and comply since NWH was a giant Spider-Man fan service movie. As for the end credits, they are supposed to be like teasers for upcoming projects to get you interested in checking them out. But can 100% agree that caring about the characters has been difficult besides the Avengers who appeared before FFH I could care less about any of the new Avengers since they haven't really had anything to get you invested into them. Everyone has just been hyped about NWH, Doctor Strange 2, Thor 2, Black Panther 2, Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 3, etc.
Loki show wasn't even Loki fan service cause me (and the rest of Loki tumblr) HATE the show. You know, if they WANTED to make him good instantly, could have gone the (previously popular) fan theory that the mind gem and Thanos was manipulating him, and or also bring up the torture that he obviously suffered at the hands of Thanos (remember the limping and wounds when he first came to earth in Avengers 1?)
If Black Widow had taken a few pages from Jason Bourne It may have shattered expectations and been really good. Not EVERYONE like The Bourne movies, I'll agree, but they were better executed that the MCU movie we got.
I've definitely noticed these issues but hearing someone else say it is validation 😂 I've happily been getting disappointed the past couple of years and its not cool. The MCU is one misguided reboot on disney+ away from becoming the CW 😂 Side note, I actually really enjoyed "What If" I doubt you'll see this but might make an interesting review at the least.
John Walker was the best character in the series while Sam and Bucky were the worst. The man was actually doing his job as a soldier with given responsibilities. While the 2 superhero soldiers are just constantly belittle him after taking up the mantle Sam clearly dont want any part of
Karli was a bloody supervillian and Sam making excuses for her actions irritated me to no end which is honestly just sad because I really wanted to love this series because Bucky was one of my favourite Marvel characters
Its even worse that sam was a military counselor for PTSD, and instead of the show taking advantage of that by having him counsel the clearly distraught John walker after losing his best friend, he and Bucky decide to gang up on him to take a shield. If steve rodgers was in the same position he would’ve realized that he was dealing with a broken man desperately trying to live up to the ideals of one of the worlds greatest hero. He would’ve helped and mentored that man on becoming a hero, potentially one that could live up to carry the mantle of Captain America, instead of antagonizing him since the beginning, and fighting him when he is down over an inanimate object.
18:19 **slams desk** _THANK YOU!_ I never really considered myself to be a marvel "fan," but even _then_ I got angry at that. I mean, a man who's been so committed to others for his entire life, at a time where they may very well need him more than ever when moving forward, just decides to say _"LOL fuck all y'all, I'm gonna go give myself a happily ever after even though nobody else is gonna get one. Nevermind the fact that doing this breaks time, which literally defeats the purpose of why I started fixing time in the first place. Oh, and just to rub salt in the wound; I'm gonna com back just before I die just so I can rub this shit in everyone's face and die happy knowing I've fucked everyone over for my own sake."_
In Star Wars the order 66 part of the story is shown and brought up a lot more than they do with the blip like they should show more of the blip and how it effected people.
48:11 the problem with the humor isn't that the style is the same, but that all of the jokes are pretty generic now. Like take any hero's jokes, they're interchangeable with each other where they weren't before. Even some of Thor's jokes on Ragnarok could be used with Ant Man's and we wouldn't even notice. The MCU's charm is the blending if different characters, not clones of the same character in a different color costume.
Yeah look at any trailer ever for any marvel film and it will go like this: Action Action Action *song cuts out, awkward joke here* *laugh* Action end of trailer
I agree that the period joke wasn’t funny, but the hysterectomy talk afterward wasn’t a joke. No one is laughing, it shuts him up, and it completely changes the tone
I would say the way she talks about it in the scene sounds like the tone someone would use while they are making a joke, so it doesn't feel serious or impactful
@@maximumvelocity6664 she says it with a completely straight face and is monotone. That’s not the way you tell a joke. She’s not gonna cry over it, by now she’s just angry at the situation.
It was a joke. It was a “look how uncomfortable the man is hearing about hysterectomies is” joke. Yelena’s delivery was flat, but that’s known as “deadpan delivery”.
To be fair, the humor in WandaVision made some sense, because the entire show was also a homage to the comedy-based sitcoms of past real-world eras. I do see your point, though.
Everybody hates Chris is a comedy based sitcoms of past real world eras and it’s actually funny because it’s written by people who actually are funny and grew up in those time which the show uses to it’s advantage unlike Wandavison where the MCU shitty/unfunny jokes and forced comedic humor are used in comedy sitcoms scenes written by people who are honestly not funny enough for the jokes to land even if the show was just a comedy show and not a Science Fiction/Fantasy show The MC is a hypocritical evil villain who enslaved an entire town of innocent people just to have her fake family and doesn’t get punished for it.Her making bad jokes on top that isn’t relatable
@@Wolffman109 I wast talking about Wanda shaping that town into the image of something she should have little knowledge or appreciation of, old American sitcoms
I just love how Multiverse of Madness just said "nope, Wanda is definitely a crazy bitch" (SPOILER) Wanda just merciless kill a version of Maria Rambeau who was alive and fine, making Monica the dumbest person alive by defending her. Dude she also killed Reed and Black Bolt, who are much more of a family figure than she ever was (and also Xavier, who is a father figure to a lot of kids).
That's just House of M. My problem with that is House of M was a HUGE event, a literally universe changing event. They're jumping into it so soon after Endgame
Thing is, the problem isn't if she's addressed as a villain of not, is the fact that wanda, the one who questioned the avengers morals fpr killing so many ppl, is the one doing mass murder now.
I hate that they completely undid all her characterization in WV from GRIEVING WIDOW AND GRIEVING MOTHER to "nah she's just crazy cause THE DARKHOLD" that. IS. FCKING. CHEAP. A character doing things out of pure grief derived madness is WAY more compelling and interesting than "lol they crazy".
When I first saw the teaser trailer for the Loki series, I thought it was going to be about Loki travelling from place to place using the Tesseract and creating mischief. Then, after finishing the season, I thought that it would’ve been better if they had gone with that premise but with the addition of the time stone and his mischiefs resulting in creating the multiverse.
This was TRULY WELL DONE. Well thought out and articulated, as well as being incredibly in-depth. Also, I'm very glad to see that there is someone else who is not a fan of the 'EVERYTHING is a joke' stance that the MCU has taken. I feel like they ruined Thor in particular as a character for me, he became contradictory sometimes in their pursuit for cheap laughter/slapstick humour/ potty jokes. I love Marvel but, like you probably, just wish that they'd tap into their potential.
This video made me realize that I haven't rewatched any phase 4 show or movie othar than Spider-man No Way Home. I have rewatched every other MCU movie, but not every show, more than three times at least.
agreed. I think that a better direction to go after endgame would have been, while a really drastic move, “restarting” in a new universe. For instance, start making origin story movies again and build up a hero team over time. During this period, movies/shows about the “original” era could be supplemental or wrap up their stories, or introduce the multiverse in a way that shows how these two eras might “cross over” in the future, while avoiding a ton of conflicting relationships and storylines. There are just so many characters so while something like moon knight and spiderman teamups might not happen in the movie universe or would be exclusive to a one-off thing, at least it helps some of the biggest issues with the MCU lately. The rules would be able to keep track of more consistently, and not increasingly difficult to follow. I think Dr Strange 2 is definitely symptomatic of these new problems, where theres just so much information to cover that it’s almost impossible NOT to make a story that is dominantly focused on the MCU as a whole rather than individual characters.
@@katherinebell8176 I know what you are talking about but Idk if a Crisis on Infinite Earths is the best way to end a franchise you know. After all the tokenazations and political bs thrown out in the movies a reboot is the worst thing ever.
when MCU characters make jokes it feels like they stop being the character for a few seconds, make the joke, and then step back into character. its like the writers aren't trying to write jokes that fit each individual character's approach to humor, they're just writing jokes, and then giving them to any old character- which ends up being a combination of their own humor and whatever sort of humor is popular at the time. and that seems to be making quips about serious or deadly situations in a way that has nothing to do with coping, and just makes a character seem like an unaware, self-centered asshole who has the power to take that and call it heroism. with a franchise like the mcu that makes a lot of jokes now (like seriously, it takes up more and more dialogue as the writers will place a joke in any situation whether it's natural or not), it sort of meshes their personalities together. I've actually started imagining them stopping the scene, getting out of costume, grabbing a script, reading the joke, getting back in costume, and then unpausing the scene when this happens. (edit) also this makes me worry about the upcoming fantastic 4 movie. calling it right now, Ben Grimm/The Thing will be nothing but the comedic relief. he will be treated exactly like Thor was in Engame.
My problem with Falcon in his show was that they didn't show WHY he gave up the shield. Yes, he didn't feel worthy of it or whatever. But, come on SHOW, DON'T TELL! It also hurts the show that they left out parts of the "flashback" where he accepted the shield at first. So when the scene in that "tell, don't show" conflict of Sam's happens, it feels jarring and contrived.
@@s66s46 no. sam is more like cap and steve probably saw himself in sam and probably remembered that doctor said in the first avenger that steve was a good man, so that steve said sam is a good man that's why he gave his shield to sam
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The problem I have with the MCU is that too much is happening all at once. Moon Knight is bringing in all these Gods from other pantheons, but in Thor, Thor clearly stated that he was the sole protector of Earth. Eternals were there all along, but came into zero conflict with other godlike entities. Wenwu (The Mandarin) has been fighting in wars for a thousand years, but yet no other movies ever mention him. In Loki, they say Kang's death led to multiverse problems. In No Way Home, spells were the cause of multiverse problems. In Dr. Strange, it was America Chavez.
If you look at the timeline, literally ten different world altering events are happening at the same time. The MCU is just too lazy to have them connect. Each movie is trying to do it's own thing in a world that's too small to handle all these events.
Exactly it's all too much.
If Marvel just went back to it's roots and focused on what phase 1 did it'd be better. They need to focus on smaller scale battles for solo movies and save multiversal threats for avengers movies or just collaboration movies.
They need start setting things up again instead of trying to one up endgame every movie.
You're expecting them to plan 20+ years into the future if you wanted phase 4 newly introduced characters to be mentioned in phase 1, 2 or 3. Kang's death allowed the spell in NWH to become a multiverse problem. I agree it's weird they don't at least reference the world altering events, but you are expecting connections and crossovers too early. It took like 8 years last time for it all to start coming together.
America Chavez was so shit omg
Couldn't have said it better myself
@@ethanS7349 yes cuz the name of the movie was america chavez... they'll prolly give her something of a solo film or episode series later
There was a time when I was excited for every MCU movie. Now I pick and choose because the quality can vary quite a bit.
Plus most of my favourite characters are dead or boring now.
Same. Prior to endgame I wouldn't dare miss a single mcu movie or tie in, now I still haven't even finished Hawkeye, and haven't bothered watching shang chi, eternals, or moon knight
@@ThatOneGuy3333 The Disney Plus shows are optional. Only the movies are important.
Same , I watched shang chi and black widow and came to the conclusion the mcu sucks at phase 4 . Endgame should have been the ending.
@@toshtao1 I didn't watch Wandavision but felt it was important after watching Doctor Strange 2
@@Matheuzu42 if you watch wandavision after multiverse of madness then it wouldn’t make sense. The shows and movies are all interconnected
As someone who has staunchly defended the MCU, having literally grown up with the films, it's safe to say that on a creative spectrum, Marvel peaked with the Infinity Saga. Phase 4 is making money but there is no ingenuity anymore. I also think that the spam of Disney Plus shows is harming people's investment in the movie's long-term. I mean, how many people can name the characters in the Eternal movie or remember Shang Chi's sister's name? Marvel has become a conveyor belt of content and have prioritized quantity over quality.
As someone else who is very invested in the MCU, I literally just remembered Shang Chi had a sister.
It's not really difficult to write the hero's journey. There's been tons of books and tutorials written about it, and yet somehow they manage to mess it up. Chang-Chi should have been movie number 2. And Chang-chi 1 should have been him growing up, learning to be a ninja, and escaping to America. Mirroring Iron Man 1. But it's all rushed. "We need more demons in there! And they're comming to kill everything in the entier universe!"
@@lilcountertop wait she has a sister?
Its turned into McDonalds. It fucking sucks!
@@lilcountertop As another person who is greatly invested in the MCU, I haven’t even taken the time to watch Shang Chi
I am honestly disgusted with Phase 4's questionable morals
- A terrorist who blows hostages up is sympathetic, while a grieving soldier killing the enemy is a monster
- Superpowered witch enslaves people and traps children but she did "the right thing" in the end by letting her fake children and dead boyfriend go
- Black Widow's constantly trying to wipe out the "red in her ledger" but never bats an eye when a whole Russian prison complex is buried in an avalanche
Feel free to add to this list
Loki removed free will from the MCU by making everything follow Kang's magical sacred timeline, then acted like it did them a favor by returning it after Sylvie killed him. The whole idea of the sacred timeline and multiple timelines also seriously clashes with the time travel in Endgame
Parker being in Iron Man 2. Makes no fucking sense
Wanda going on a killing spree, turning into a no-holds barred villain and in the end defeating herself by dropping a mountain on... herself which is supposed to be a sort of redemption? I dunno. So uneven..like the movie is trying to say you should feel sorry for her after all the murder she just committed.
Oh and Thor 4...trying to make all the gods out to be assholes but at the same time look at their deaths as some sort of tragedy while also feeling sorry for the guy killing them?
@@MrChillis13 How many people has Sam killed in the heat of battle? Steve definitely killed people during his run as Cap.
At least Walker had a motive to kill the terrorists (unlike Karli). And the *terrorist* (by definition a person that terrorizes people) that Walker killed held Walker hostage while Karli was going to kill him. And don't tell me Karli wasn't going to kill him; she killed people for far less than simply getting in her way.
@@MrChillis13 he’s suppose to be USA Agent I’m pretty sure, going to be a part of the upcoming Thunderbolts movie
The thing is Endgame ended phase 3 well enough and it actually felt like a true ending. Continuing from that as things get even bigger is too much to juggle.
There seems to be no direction or plan, or there is a plan but we have to wait till we are all 10 years older to find out
@@healthiswealth1452 Because plans take time to form. We just got started.
They desperately needed a plan. None of these new things are associated with each other. Everyone keep forgetting that there is a giant celestial hand sticking out the damn earth right now. It's never been addressed.
Endgame doesn't exist
@@2ndHandSmoker Yes it does pal
They should have made Loki about him stealing a time machine from the TVA and creating as much mischief as possible throughout history
Anti - Doctor Who
@@pascalsimioli6777 yes please
Agreed. Loki has been a different character in all the movies except in Thor and Thor Ragnarok
That would’ve been lame af
A Multiverse of Madness, if you will
I remember all the hate for Walker and it got kinda stupid. I remember reading Twitter post arguing that the character symbolizes racism in America. Which I find odd to claim considering his best friend is black and he killed a dude to avenge his friends death.
I remember watching it with my family and my mom and my sisters would go on about how they hate Walker because he isn’t Steve and he is trying to be Steve.
My response to all this is… Walker was actually my favorite character from the show… I understood his conflicts and they didn’t feel forced or preachy. He is a very well done Anti-Hero. He is a man who wants to do good for his country, like Steve, and he was given this mantel, simply because the government wanted a face to gain better public option and poor Walker is manipulated by the people in power and HE pays for it. Then when he is tempted with the serum he feels he has no choice but to take it in order to stand a chance.
I loved Walker & Bucky. They were my favorite characters in the show. Falcon was done terribly.
Apparently from what I’ve heard, his friendship is apparently a symbol of white people using black people to gain success or something, but like walker and Lamar felt like actual friends, so I really don’t get that. Like if the friendship was more one sided I’d see it, but it wasn’t
If that's what they think then these people don't understand how symbolism works. If he symbolizes anything, it's the foibles of potentially well-meaning but belligerent and destructive foreign military interventionism, not racism, becaise Walker obviously isn't a racist. Honestly, the only obvious racists were the really stupidly on the nose police officers who held up Sam until they found out he was Falcon (and had no reason to be in the show at all) and to sime extent, Isaiah Bradley (although im not sure how much of that was intentional). Walker was a really sympathetic dude and was probably my favorite next to Bucky. Falcon felt like he was jerked around a bit and was made to do some out of character things because the plot demanded it which resulted in some shaky logic for a couple of his actions. I still liked him, but I found myself occasionally thinking, "okay, but why though." I'm fine with him getting the shield and the new costume, but he should always be Falcon. Nobody will remember him as Captain America because he will forever be in the real Cap's shadow the longer he claims the title. He (and almost every other black or nonwhite character this is done to) is better as an original character. Let him homage his friend and partner, Steve, but he should own his own identity as Falcon. The visual iconography represented by the shield is enough. Let Falcon be Falcon, just as John Walker will go on to be US Agent.
@@Tyler_W I 100% agree. I think you’re right about what the writers were going for and I too liked Bucky & Walker. I hope that Wyatt Russell comes back and that Marvel compensates him appropriately for some of these super fans’ nonsense.
Walker is the only character post Endgame that I like
What i really hate about the MCU right now is how the blip didn't affect everyone's lives at all as if it never happened. Five years got by and that's enough to make people go crazy about what happened but when everyone reappeared it's like it was all good. One would imagine the amount of problems it would cause but we don't feel the repercussions of it. What i'd love to see is a bad guy that rose during the 5 year gap making us feel that some have snapped.
Thats what I think Ronin shouldve been
Plus a bunch of people had to of died when the recovery snap happened. I mean how many of them were driving when they got dusted, then bam your in the middle of a road with traffic with no car.
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@@thewotlot they already confirmed people got brought to relative safety.
But there were deffinitely people who just... appeared on a deserted island
they shown the affect of the blip in falcon and winter soilder
Das how it is in real life
Ppl shoot up schools & the next day ppl act like it never happened
To be fair, Scarlet Witch's powers are all over the place in the comic too. She is a lot like Superman, her powers are whatever the need to be for the current story.
Which is annoying I really hate what they did to her character, they had good development going in the movies
As a huge comic book collector from the 70-90s her powers were hex but she had so many issues controlling them…also he power were local not across universes…she is now a nexus being she can alter reality, but so can Nathan Richards so can molecule man blah blah blah so many others…
@@Skabanis I thought her powers were originally to manipulate probability and the magic stuff was separate, but aided by her natural mutant powers. I'll admit, I'm not super up to date on her. But I do know what powers she has, and how strong they are have changed a lot going back and forth over the years.
Look up chaos magic, the end
She kinda like walking plot device now
for those who say that "Oh, look, MCU is making billions, so it can't be bad.", yes it can. Making money does not mean good storytelling. Good storytelling can be seen in earlier works of marvel with consistent characters, fantastic world-building, and solid plots. ngl, now MCU movies seem more like youtube videos to me :(
true i think nwh didnt even had a proper story except fan moments, i mean shang chi had a better story
And as a matter fact. There is a very infamous name of someone who made billions of dollars while being shit and his name is Michael Bay.
Uhh your wrong dumass
Making money does mean good movies/storytelling. The more money they make, means the more people love what's going on. Dummy🤣 think before u speak
"Eat shlt, millions of flies can't be wrong." -Ancient proverb
Yeah. It's like saying "EA is making millions, so it is a good gaming company". EA is still labeled as the worst gaming company due to their predatory tactics.
Making bank is not equal to quality.
I hate how they butchered task master
They totally ruined him.
Yep they definitely fucked that one up,, my big brother was swearing and cusing the whole time in the cinema cuz that was one of his favourite characters and he always wished he could be like him and manipulate any actions once he sees it just like the Taskmaster but then he gets this in the movie
@@malawisupasoldier7478 her*
I still don't get why they gender swapped just to end up using the male stunt double for like 80% of the movie anyway. like just hv the stunt double do it, he's clearly right for the job....but girlboss or watever ig
Who was that "twist" even for? Using Drakov's daughter made sense for the story, but that whole "the badass male character is actually a secret woman" trope (which almost always sucks) was a surprise meant to shock literally nobody except the people who already knew and wanted a proper Taskmaster because the average viewer doesn't know who tf Taskmaster even is. It felt like a twist that served no other purpose than to antagonize the audience who actually reads comic books. Beyond that, it was a twist that didn't need to exist. If they would've made it obvious from the jump that this Taskmaster was a woman, you'd still have an argument against gender swapping characters, but it would've been more honest and less antagonistic by not dangling a proper Taskmaster in front of the people who actually wanted it. I don't think it ruins either Natasha or Yalena, but there is so much I didn't like about that movie, which is sad, because I really wanted that movie to happen, and it had so much potential.
Long drawn out stories seem overrated
to be fair about Bucky willingness to give up a civilian life over going back to heroism even after immense trauma. As a soldier myself, it's difficult to adjust to a civilian life, it's hard to change from that, which is why I find both Captain America and Bucky very relatable in that sense. you can't just stop away from that, you just want to keep fighting cause that's all you know. it's difficult to transition. from a place of war to a place of peace. Even I haven't seen a real battle, and every time I go home I can't seem to think of anything else but going back to being a soldier and going through all that training all over again.
The sad thing is in the MCU there's *always* a fight and those fights are going to need decent people to step up, so it's okay for an old soldier to keep in the game.
@@InfernosReaper there is a saying "beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young". It holds truth in reality and in fiction.
@@favianguerra8954 it is a fun saying, though there are gonna always be exceptions, like the career military dudes who never served anywhere conflict was happening
@@InfernosReaper always ask for MOS and unit.
Here's my main problem with Phase 4. It doesn't feel like it's leading up to anything. It introduced Kang in Loki and we haven't seen him since.
Meanwhile with Thanos you just FELT his shadow LOOMING over the MCU like a dark cloud rolling in. Even when he wasn't on screen you felt his presence. The movies seem disjointed as well, and if they went from "must connect" to "solo movies" I wouldn't mind. I think that's honestly what they should've done post Endgame. Endgame felt just as it's titled. THE ENDGAME. You can't go bigger, but you can focus on smaller scale stories going forward. Shang-Chi did this very well. No Way Home did this very well. They had other MCU characters in them, but it focused up and was centered on personal stories. WandaVision did this as well with Wanda only for Multiverse of Madness to completely destroy Wanda's character. Marvel really needs to do a hard stop, and hard left into just really focusing up and getting a hold of quality control. Cause She-Hulk looks BAD and there's no excuse for it.
I think its actually great that there so far isnt leading up to anything, its basically reset after endgame and the next avengers or big film is far away so eventually they'll build up to something but I do like how everything feels "disconnected". for the she hulk thing tho... the cgi is bad but we cant judge the show from a 2 minute trailer
and most people liked the she hulk trailer
I think it might work I just have to have faith in the directors. So far they haven't failed.
@@fitzabooper7054 Actually, given the breadcrumbs we've seen just from the lineup, the villains shown, and the greater focus on the cosmic interacting with earth. It's easy to tell they're clearly building up to the F4. Who are primarily all about the last bit about the cosmic side of things.
How long did it take for Thanos to be introduced? something like 4 years after iron man 1? We are not even 4 years into the new phase, it's going to take a bit for the stories to start connecting and for the true big bad to be introduced.
I hope you'll be patient and open-minded. It took 10 years for Endgame to happen.
Phase 4 pretty much just began. There will be some good movies and some bad movies going forward. And if we get lucky with directors like the Russo brothers along the way, then we may have something as amazing as Endgame in next 10 years!
I've only watched one Marvel film since Endgame, and that was No Way Home. I just don't follow Marvel like I used to, but I'm always there for Spider-Man.
Fellow Spider-Man fan!
No way home is the only solid one after Endgame, the only hero I care about now is Spiderman after Tom Holland truly became Spiderman. The rest is just boring.
Same here, I’m only sticking around for my boy spidey from here on out. If it doesn’t have a spider-man, I’m not watching it
@@poyyo1784 Same. Spidey's always been my favorite and really, he's had a (so far) better run with Far From and No Way Home, especially the ladder with him truly becoming his own hero so he honestly has the most flexible story by himself as he's separated from the other Avengers.
The only things I’ve enjoyed since was no way home, Hawkeye, I guess black widow but only for Jelena and the comedy. MoM was good but disappointing it’s sad because it fr could’ve been more 🤷🏼♀️
"Wandas gonna look dumb if she ever uses her powers in a fight" this aged incredibly well
kind of, the opening of doctor strange 2 made her feel like more of a force of nature and if you dont think about it too much then its fine
@@gsterf The Phase 4 movies now come with "Please turn of your phones and brains for the best cinematic experience, thank you."
@@mrpuss2519 if you ignore the stupid Dragon ball z red energy balls she throws like if she was a low level threat mutant, her power scale is really well done in multiverse.
@@gsterf if you have to say "if you don't think about it too much" then maybe it's not good.
@@citizenvulpes4562 well then do you like Star Wars? Lord of the Rings? If you think of any fantasy series then think about it too much nothing will make sense. So by your logic all fantasy is bad
What you said about Loki really changed the way I think about him, Why would he kill a mass amount of people with a smile on his face then like 2 days later say "Oh yeah I don't enjoy hurting people" Like wtf that completely changed the entire narrative of the character
He literally witnessed his own future where looses his home and his life and everything, that left him in a state where he felt he has no purpose all he does was going to send him knowhere. That realisation is what changed him
@@apogeelord7013 No, it’s forced, sped-up character development to make this variant the exact same as the Loki that died in Infinity War so that they don’t have to try and write a completely different version of a previously established character in the MCU. It’s not Loki having a life-changing revelation that coincidentally makes him exactly the same as he was in Ragnarok and Infinity War, it’s just lazy writing so that they don’t have to try and rewrite his character from the ground up.
@@AppleSaurus01 He literally witnessed his future, such event would change a person entirely. Its not a big deal
@@apogeelord7013 it wasent his future tho becuase he escaped he was a varient they showed him what his life could be like IF he didnt escape BUT HE DID they showed him a future that was never gonna happen to him lmao AND HE FUCKING BOUGHT IT LOKI THE TRICKSTER BOUGHT THAT
@@TSH425 Did you even watch the show ? What he saw was indeed his future, Odin's death, his death all those events are about to happen
I agree, Phase 3 ended things perfectly and phase 4 feels like it exists just to make money. While I do think some of the Phase 4 projects are good short term, the long term story for the future of the MCU is extremely concerning. They are attempting to introduce huge ideas such as the multiverse, celestials, TVA, and Egyptian gods all so close to each other. It is getting too big to try and connect together in a coherent way.
"phase 4 feels like it exists just to make money"
lol the delusion
every marvel movie after the original iron man exists just to make money. they wouldn't have made a single movie after that if that hadn't been so successful
@@zekeiwa5837 the correct way to spell this it's
"Cashgrab"
Untill Phase 3 at least, most movies actually felt like they were building a story for the fans and making money
Phase 4 feels like they just throwing things that nerds like(callbacks, cameos, multiverse and etc.) While they don't have idea of what to do and afther killing/retiring the heroes everyone like they will invest the next years on a villain that isn't iconic as Thanos and a bunch of female substitutes and boring teenagers as the heroes
The only characters that people actually care now are like Spiderman, the F4, X Men(that they will probably ruin with wokeness) Daredevil, Moon Knight and the inhumans, the others just feel like a worse versions from the comics or since the comics they are blring
That’s how the comics are
@@NoonMight the comic industry has been in a downward spiral for years now.
The comic industry is literally failing, so not a good example.
@@renren47618 and black panther if he was alive
Probably should have just restarted after endgame. The MCU could do a few epilogue movies like Spider-Man, wait a few years to gain hype, then restart. Begin with the unused characters and slowly add the characters we like, how the original MCU did that.
The way to fix the mess is have all the characters be forced to enter an alternate dimension and the old world they lived in is judged and destroyed. The old heroes would still exist in the new universe but have memory wiped out and given a destiny that they must fulfill but are not conscious of. The idea is that nobody can cope with the weight of responsibility to protect innocent people anymore (the psychological effect would traumatise them after Thanos suceeded in killing so many people) so God basically intervenes on events much like the Flood of Noah in the old testament. Only select chosen few are allowed to remember what happened in the old age before the destruction. Heroes would be optimistic again since they forgot all the dead innocent people from the past.
The right choice would have been waiting 10-20 years. A new generation, new filming techs, new interest.
But greed always finds a way...
Stop trying to make America Chavez a thing, Gretchen.
Yes... They have multiple universes now so they could have started another universe with smaller scale characters like daredevil. Then maybe at some point make them collide and the old characters can make cameos. But this would make no sense for the box office.
I also think they are too quick to jump into the multiverse. Should’ve started with exploring the entirety of their own universe first lol
Man, Loki losing to 3 humans with no powers aside from some stupid slowtime weapon was hilarious but not in the way the show wanted me to feel. It was embarassing.
Tell me you know jack fuck about the TVA without telling me you know jack fuck about the TVA.
@@travishowell290 I know they are a bunch of normal humans that have no skills besides a stupid slow time weapon.
i may be misremembering but wasnt Loki unable to use his powers in the TVA
@@jm_r245 He got caught outside though. He had all his powers and still got his ass kicked by an average woman with a stick.
@@SammEater 🤦♂️
If you hate Wanda's character in WandaVision, then you're gonna hate her character more in Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness.
She was desecrated.
The MCU had a beginning, rising action, a climax, a conclusion. It's over. They made a lot of mistakes along the way. They had a mountain of success along the way. Things need to end. You can't just keep crapping out sequels and tv spinoffs forever. Eventually there are so many movies and so much past material that you can't make sequels without making mistakes and the longer a series runs, the more those mistakes add up. I say stop watching at Endgame.
They really think that people won't get enough of having to watch 60+ movies and 83838 bad Disney + only series to understand a movie about a bunch of guys wearing stupid clothes with superpowers against extremely blank villains
Honestly, they should had ended with Endgame and then do just the multiverse saga with Wandavision, No Way Home, Loki and MoM
Then they would just have a hiatus and years later they would continue the Mcu universe with the X men, Fantastic Four and a older Spiderman fighting against the underworld
And these would have their own pocket connected universe
The X Men and Fantastic Four ocasionally would meet each other and some of the retired avengers members
Spiderman would get some interactions with Daredevil and the Defenders
Eventually leading to a movie where Spidey's actions lead to the Defenders finding Kingpin and kicking his ass
And a big "finale" movie where all the heroes that were still acting joining forces to defeat Galactus
Your one of the very few that think that. Just to let u know. Go watch punk ass DC if u don't like phase 4
I fcking agree.
Your highly wrong with what your saying. There's still MANY MORE great movies ahead of us. Marvel now owns the Xmen again. And so many more characters. There are way better villains out there than just Thanos.
Multiverse of madness alone was better than Endgame, so stfu.
@@renren47618 here is the thing though, technically people aren't. Marvel movies are at the top of the chart in terms of revenue. It's june and marvel already released like 10 movies and shows and they're making a lot of money from it, so they'll just keep going and going. People eat this stuff up even though its the same formulaic movie.
''Why bring a badass villain back from the dead only to take out the villain and the badass parts in his own show.'' sums up Book of Boba Fett to a tee.
boba fett wasn't bad-ass at all in anything other than mando and book of boba fett, dafuck are you smoking? Boba fett got pushed into a sarlac by blind man, other than that he did absolutely nothing other than stand imposingly.
@@user-ly2ll5od1r A gross oversimplification just to cope with the fact Book of Boba ruined him.
To be fair, Boba was never a badass in the movies. He just stands around and gets knocked over by a blind Han Solo
Well I’m not into Star Wars and boba is (or was if you take BoBF into account) one of the coolest characters in my opinion
@@TheMarionick how? He was a loser that didn't hit a single shot with his blaster and go pushed into a hole while he has A FUCKING JETPACK. In bobf he's cool as fuck, he's honorouble and a lethal marksman that barely if ever misses a shot. Have you watched the finale? He fucking rides a RANCOR, beats Bane in a duel, he's an equal to Mando, if it weren't for his age, he probably would be even stronger.
Thats the problem when you expand your brand and have:
- No clear route/plan on how to develop your products.
- Overused tropes and humour, no new tone or direction.
- And lastly, socio-political ideals/messages shoved straight into the new pruducts to the point that the ACTUAL PLOT becomes something secondary.
Also they did Walker, Taskmaster, Agatha, Natasha and Loki as characters fucking DIRTY. Nobody can change my mind on that.
Oh no, it's being infected by the same virus of the no plan sequel trilogy 😭😠🖕😥
I actually like walker’s character. Not because he kills people but because his reactions to his circumstances are kinda realistic, like its how a real human with his personality would react. Which makes him the most consistent character in phase 4 right now.
He was the only good thing to come out of that fucking mess.
@@Wolffman109 Honestly I felt bad for him. He is not "evil". The only bad thing he did was get aggressive with that one person "do you know who I am"? That is really it.
You are wrong though. He doesn't kill "people" because he only killed one person and that person is a terrorist.
@@nont18411He still executed the guy publicly in front of a lot of bystanders with social media platforms at their disposal. That wasn’t exactly going to paint him in a good light. Sure, I understand why he did it, but the other guy wasn’t even the one who killed Lamar. It was that Karli girl lol. Though I still don’t see how that gave the government cause to strip him of his title as Cap.
@@GabesEdtiz You gave the answer yourself; he did all it in front of people with their cameras turned on. And it's easier to show "powerful bad, weak good" than to figure out the nuances of power and resources. Also, I blame Sam and Bucky for never having helped Walker. Imagine you're already in the business of killing people for the greater good, to protect those you love and shit and then you get bullied by a bunch of sad losers who hate you because you worked hard enough to receive a title that previously belonged to their friend. They were seriously nothing but bullies in that fucking show and you can't convince me otherwise. If Walker and Karli were bad (in their own, different ways), Sam and Bucky were worse. It's a shame how they fucked-up such good characters.
How to make an mcu film
-introduce plot
-show MC feeling sad cus they lost fight with villain
-MC discovers the power of friendship and decides to fight villain again
-3rd climatic CGI fight that costs 90% of the movie budget
-post credit scene
Literally all MCU movies are like this
i like how the main villain of the franchise that they spend a decade developing has exactly 0 kills to his name and his army gave spiderman a little paper cut in the end. These marvel villains are really scary and threatning, the joker and bane got nothing against these cgi pinatas.
Lol, I mean... You're not too far off, but it feels like they're experimenting a little more with this phase. Sure, it still has some of those conventions present in the past, perhaps sometimes to a fault, but there's been some really unique entries recently.
Shang-Chi, for example. Friend characters are kind of there sometimes, but Katy really feels like an important part of the plot (not all the time, but she helps drive the story at times). Marvel doesn't often use non-linear storytelling. Sure, it's fairly linear but the use of flashbacks gradually revealing the past and showing how a certain character dies, inspiring the main villain, is pretty unique for the MCU. Not to say that other movies haven't done this, but the MCU hasn't experimented with this concept too much (One could argue that Captain Marvel and even the first Iron Man kind of use it, but).
Katy also isn't a love interest, most of the time the characters get together in the end, but not here. Sure, also not the first MCU movie to do this, but it happens fairly often when you have a leading male and a leading female character (Jane and Thor, Tony and Pepper, Peggy and Steve, ya know). Also, Wenwu is just so good, really well written villain.
Eternals as well, for better or worse, is pretty unique in the fact that this is the first big team-up movie that doesn't rely at all on characters already established in the universe. Also, once again uses some non-linear storytelling (not as effectively as Shang-Chi in my opinion but it works). Also, the first Superman type character in the MCU lol.
WandaVision was wildly unique and dipped into horror, something that the MCU hasn't really played with too much. Sure, it eventually loses itself perhaps when it gets back to standard MCU ideas, but it has some pretty great moments imo. Loki as well... I dunno, I guess that one feels standard MCU? But it's reallly consistent. Its finale is completely different than most MCU final acts, not one huge final battle (though we get that in the episode prior), but almost a battle of wits in a sense. Sure, Loki and Sylvie also have a little fight too, but it feels a lot different from what we've seen in the past.
Moon Knight even too, also perhaps hurts itself just a little bit with its very MCU finale, but that one is a wild ride the MCU has never really seen. Sure, once again to bring up Captain Marvel, you could say it shares some similarities of characters not knowing their past, but Moon Knight goes a lot further with that.
All this to say is I have no life, but I think Phase 4 is going into uncharted territories with the MCU. Sure, it may still have some of the same flaws or things that are starting to get old, but I think it's going places. Multiverse of Madness, quite unique too.
@@jeremytesticleman1607 didn’t thanos literally wipe out entire planets and societies like gamora’s and more even before the snap
@@jayceallen6530 that just makes it worse bruh, you telling me this mf wiped out entire planets and caused the extinction of several races but couldn't even do as much as kill 1 single person because marvel needs to make another 20 sequels with that character.
What also bothers me is how Sharon Carter is treated in the last episode she is shot and sam doesn't carry her out she has to tend to her wounds herself but sam carries the unalive karli body really. And the fact that it has taken years for Sharon to be forgiven by the government for helping captain America while bucky barely got a slap on the wrists.
Sharon was never a great character but her treatment has been disappointing. Although I have to admit she and Steve had no chemistry 😂
As someone with Anger issues...I am used to relating to assholes and aggressive characters rather than the so called "Heroes".
Characters like John Walker made me sad. The dude was a veteran who legit just wanted to help people and motivate others only to be hated and heavily outmatched with no support as a scapegoat. Agatha went the whole show being a good character that never even did a thing besides duping Quicksilver to get closer to Wanda. However she gets fucked over and Wanda gets praise for villain behavior. I can't stand seeing this kind of writing.
I feel like MCU heros are slowely turing into the sups from Boys
Well... she did kill a dog.
@@arthurpietrogarcia1057 We don't know that lol. Could have been ~an illusion ALL ALONG!~ 😂
Worst part is that Agatha is getting a TV series, and Jonh Walker as US Agent Doesn´t
It kind of shows Disney's morality tbh
A militar man with human issues and that has morals, basically: a flawed human that people can relate too= evil and toxic masculinty
A guy who whines during the entire show about being a black Captain America and then gets plaudits for defending terrorists(the main terrorist enemy being a girl)= good, that's the hero children will have to look for
Not to mention how Agatha basically tried to defeat Wanda, which would basically free an entire town that she enslaved, even If she wanted to do so for selfish reasons, Agatha was pretty much (unitentionally) an anti hero while Wanda was the villain
The series has gotten too big imo. There’s been wayyy too many characters introduced in phase four. Phase four is similar to phase one in the fact that both phases are supposed to kick off a huge arc and introduce new characters. Phase one only introduced like four or five. Phase four has introduced like 10-15 new characters. Also they haven’t finished any of the old characters storylines with the exception of a few like captain America and iron man. Seems way too cluttered at this point with like thirty main characters now
Ironman, Captain America, Black Widow, Hawkeye, War Machine, and Thor, with Hulk being properly in the MCU until Avengers.
That's pretty easy to keep with
Phase 2 brought in the Guardians, Wanda, and Ant Man, as well as bringing back Bucky. The roster's basically doubled, but still manageable
Phase 3 only really added Spider-man, Black Panther, Dr Strange, and Captain Marvel(who's introduced so late in the game that it's genuinely baffling why she's even there).
Phase 4 easily matched the previous 3 phases and is going well beyond that, as they pull out every random character they can in the hopes of finding the next big hero people will care about. Only, this throwing everything to the wall to see what sticks method doesn't work if they don't actually hit the wall
You know what really annoys me about the fight between John Walker v Bucky and Sam. What's the first thing John says to them once he see's them after finally catching his breath, and his best friend dying. "You guys need a medic?" This isn't him just trying to push them away in the moment. He is genuinely asking them if they're ok. He's more concerned about these two guys who have been mostly assholes to him despite his best efforts to befriend them than himself. Neither of which are there to make sure he's ok but to take the shield from him and then instigate the fight. The writers of FATWS do not understand how to make a character unlikeable. Because John Walker is not a bad person. His biggest mistake was taking on a mantle that some people thought he wasn't worthy of.
The guy has what three medals of honour? That's more than ANYONE in the real world! Fuck with that alone he's more than worthy of being Captain America. Then when asked if he's ever gone on top of grenade, he says he's done it more than once since he figured out a trick with helmet. What does the show do with this information? Ignore it. After getting his ass kicked by a super solider and non-supers. He gets the serum and doesn't take it until speaking with Lamar. He throws away the Shield to save lives when he has the chance to get revenge.
Fuck everything Disney tries to spin in the show John Walker is a better hero than Bucky and Sam in this show.
It’s funny cause you know the writer intended for him to be the antagonist aka the male with toxic masculinity and he ironically ended up being one of the better parts of the show & the one with the most screen presence. That scene with him yelling in court was the best scene in the show
@@keithremedy Yup somehow these writers failed so hard they made the character by the way they write/frame the story were supposed to dislike, is better than our two leads heros morally.
John Walker is hated for 0 reasons. Bucky and Sam are jerks to him
He wasnt supposed to be the most relatable character?
Bucky and Sam were supposed to be cool?
Wot?
"YoU hAvE To dO BeTtER SeNaToR" says the walking dumpster fire that was being nothing but unworthy of the Shield throughout the entire series. Gives away the shield to the government then is surprised when they gave it to someone else then proceeds to be a complete dickwad to the person that was awarded the Shield HE GAVE AWAY.
Focking S tier award winning writing there.
That’s my main gripe with the MCU. They never bring up previous events that they should really talk about. No one really mentioned why there were several helicarriers and why they crashed, no one checked on Ironman when he was reported dead, no character mentioned that in the next movie. I also bet that one one will mention the Arishm(don’t know how to spell it) or hell the frozen celestial oh the ocean? They can’t just not mention them, in their world that has to be a total problem that some mysterious giant being popped up from your planet or just showing up.
Then squeezing movies before other movies, like captain marvel and the eternals. If you go by what Carol says about other worlds not having heroes make it seem like she’s bad at her job since Thanos and Ronin were alive.
true but i believeits apart of the aspect of disney wanting money, they dont want the casual viewers to feel lost because they connect to alot of past events
Captain marvel can only protect one planet at a time, Thanos systematically at the time was going one by one conquering planets to eliminate half their population. And Ronan was only really a threat after Thanos loaned him the power stone which the guardians dealt with fine.
They also didn't mention the Frost Giants after showing them in the 1st Thor movie
Yeah remember Avengers 1 tying into Tony's PTSD in Iron Man 3 or the fal of SHIELD in Captain America 2 tying in with Age of Ultron. Obviously also Age of Ultron and Civil War. For better or worse, Endgame affecting Far From Home.
This is what we loved. It wasn't the cameos. It was having unique stories in the same UNIVERSE. Tony battling his enemies by himself within this larger world.
Eternals just ignores this world while DS2 forces it on the movie with all the cameos.
The fact that you actually bring up good points instead of just sitting and yelling about how it simply wasn't what you personally wanted is refreshing for these types of videos. I agreed with a lot of it (especially the humor part)
Yeha glad he isn’t “woke go broke” people. They literally hate the movie Bc of diversity
@@lulu_TheWitchBoy ong I hate that stuff. They complain about wokeness and diversity being a fake issue but then start complaining once a non-white character is on screen for .0005 seconds
Every video like this always has somebody saying “good points” so chances are they probably aren’t lmao
@@why-oh-wai your name, your comment, you’re doing everything to get attention lmao
@@grey195 nope, not even close
Phase 4 is what happens when you tell a good story over 10 years and never thought about how you would follow it up after sticking the landing. It all feels very rushed, while also expecting you to watch everything so you'll get the references and know what's going on. It's become more exhausting than entertaining.
I see two factors to blame for the MCU's flanderization: Disney's corporatism and Joss Whedon.
After Disney purchased Marvel Comics, and especially after The Avengers (2012), DIsney saw the MCU as less of a series of films that could tell interesting stories and more of a product to sell. So the company began to release three to four films a year, and with that release schedule, the various people involved with making these films started using a formulaic structure to keep up.
Speaking of The Avengers, that film was the start of the MCU's overreliance on quippy Whedon-esque dialogue. Eventually every character began to be written as if they had fallen out of a scrapped Whedon project. With exception of the villains, the hero characters all speak the same and there's not much for them to stand out in that regard.
I don't think this became too much of a major problem until relatively recently, but you're absolutely right about Joss Whedon. The Avengers was lightning in a bottle thag in hindsight I think only works the way it does because of the near perfect chemistry of the cast, but it is incredibly telling imo that the most memorable MCU movies post-Avengers that actually stand a good chance of standing the test of time as individual films are the ones that least attempted to ape Joss Whedon's brand of cheap humor, especually the Captain America movies and the last two Avengers movies from the Russos. Not that they don't do this a bit (or that they're perfect and not flawed in other ways), but these movies are great in no small part because they didn't use what humor they did have at the expense of genuine emotional moments and dramatic beats that needed to land to get the audience emotionally invested. They knew when to be serious so that we would take these characters and their stories seriously as we should if stories about such outlandish characters are gonna work (and have worked). The Guardians movies are an exception to the rule because James Gunn is actually funny, he knows how to earn a laugh, and he doesn't undermine his films' most important dramatic noments. Many of the weakest and most forgettable MCU films were often the ones that tried ape Joss Whedon's writing style instead of having their own voice (the actual thing that leads to big money). I still mostly love The Avengers and make no apologies for it, but the siccess of Joss Whedon is one of the single biggest detriments to the longterm sustainability of the MCU imo. The second biggest detriment is that Kevin Fiege seems to be increasingly pandering to the woke crowd as if Twitter is an accurate reflection of real life.
@@Tyler_W
What?
Yeah, the quips are more of a Spider-Man thing. They just gave that to everyone to try to make people care for them as much as Spider-Man who has always been the most popular
@@Tyler_W It's not like he made Buffy and Firefly...
Big facts
If I were an MCU writer, I would've made a Phase centered around the Blip and its consequences throughout the universe.
That would've been a good way to go about it. Instead it's mostly glossed over. Even in the show that's focused around it, the depiction feels underwhelming and poorly thought through
@@InfernosReaper not only underwhelming, but they didn't do anything WITH the Blip, instead they just used it as septic tank for jokes without payoff, about the biggest genocide in the history of that universe.
@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 and then instead of resetting things back to the way it was, they cause people bipped away to show up after
why? because tony stark can solve time travel, but figure out how to keep his family as is despite knowing the quantum realm puts people outside the effects of the infinity stones
@@InfernosReaper yes! Everytime they handwaved the Snap and made jokes felt awkward and out-of-place. Not to mention the Blip was a monutain of narrative possibilities.
@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 yeah, nothing but squandered potential and half-assery. it's a pity, really
hell, you'd think the mcu was a bad shonen anime with little the writers think of the audience and how inconsequential the stakes ultimately truly are
Well said, sir. The deterioration of the MCU, though it took wayyy too long, is finally being acknowledged by general audiences. Phase 4's legacy will not be a fondly remembered one... if, of course, anybody can remember it... at all. Very well made video. Hope to see more from ya in the future.
Couldn't agree more.
The humor really got outta hand with Phase 2. They thought Avengers was the way every movie should be and they just leaned into those elements without understanding the reason Avengers worked. It worked because of how genuine and serious a lot of Phase 1 was. Also, Phase 1 had serious characters and comedic characters. Tony was a douche, Cap was funny but more in a dad way, Thor was funny because he's a fish outta water, and Black Widow, Hawkeye and Hulk were more serious characters. After Phase 1, everyone became a comedian.
By the time Phase 2 was over (with the exception of Winter Soldier), we had a comedy universe. The moment where the MCU jumped the shark in terms of comedy for me was Iron Man 3 when they had Mandarin be an actor and at one point I think the main bad guy breathes fire. Oh and Pepper ends up dying but immediately coming back to save Tony. This was really the beginning of the female empowerment for no reason other than to shoehorn female empowerment.
Then Thor 2, my god. I remember Thor just saw his mom get killed, then he sees Loki "die" and immediately in the next scene, we see Thor having a comedic scene where he's jealous of a phone call Jane makes. It's straight up silly and it undermines what just happened in the previous scene.
I think most of the movies made before the avengers series is better than the avengers series. The writing becomes very messy when you have to appease air time for so many characters. Let’s be honest Thor ragnarok is really the only good movie made since the first avengers movie. Every other movie is just an over blown mess or a just a live action version of the lion king (black panther).
@@blankname6629 Thor ragnarok makes Thor look like a stupid clown and not like a 1500+ yo god. Taika take on making characters funny = make them dumb as hell.
@@blankname6629 Lol no, not even close. Winter Soldier is leagues better. Ragnarok, like L&T, is just "dramatic or emotional scene undercut by shitty comedy: the movie".
@@blankname6629 Unfortunately I think people who belive Thor Ragnarok is a good movie is the same people who ruined marvel. Thor Ragnarok is a 2 hours admission of incompetence in terms of writing. "we don't know how to make Thor interesting so we made him a clown. Go Thor, make a funny!"
You’ve made a lot of great points here. I’d like to hear your opinion on moon knight, Spider-Man, and Dr strange. I think you’re right on a lot of points, and the main one for me is the awful jokes. Cheesy jokes? Idk I love cheesy jokes so the I’m at either bad or simply not for me. You’ve shown me how there is definitely a difference in the writing compared to Civil War, Iron Man, Ragnorok, BP, something feels different.
Dr strange 2 is a mixed bag bcz of the writing being dumb, Spider-Man no way home great even with the dr strange memory spell writing being dumb.
Also dr strange and scarlet witch mainly suck cuz they have vague power sets unlike iron man, captain America.
@@mrcrabs9296 Here I'll do it for you, and here's your spoiler warning for all the peeps who haven't seen the movie.
from what I counted, I figure 4 major problems with the film that make me enjoy it less than the first doctor strange.
1: It basically murdered the power scaling. Wanda being neigh unstopable just kinda doesn't fit the genre of film Super Hero movies are, which I can respect Sam Raimi for trying to pull off here, however in respect to the narratives that came before, Wanda should have been able to nuke Thanos' army from orbit, with little to no excuse. Her one man assasult on Kamar-Taj just kinda made everyone else's magic feel useless.
2: Because of said power disparity from Strange to her, which if you went by the Comics, Doctor Strange is actually leagues above Scarlet Witch in terms of Magical abilities, which leads into how the magic system on display throughout Doctor Strange 1 and 2 is a lazy version of soft magic with no clear rules or expectations, the characters are kinda able to do things cause the plot demanded it. Hence Strange basically explaining how the entire plot was contrieved due to America's ability just randomly tossing them places all willy nilly with seemingly no rhyme or reason other than plot.
3: Literally the entire section surrounding the Illuminati, The Wanda Scarlet Witch takes over should have resisted more. because of the fact that she is also using the same magic she has. This problem extends over to the characters in the Illuminati. The fact they just got picked off made their dramatic introduction a complete and total joke. For example, Reed Richards is THE smartest character in Marvel, why the fuck did he not have some kind of plan or expectation things would go south? He could have completely dispelled the situation with The Ultimate Nullifier. Wiping Wanda from existence with no trouble. Instead, Black Bolt, (Who has telepathy by the way,) gets his mouth removed and dies like an idiot, Reed gets turned into literal spaghetti, also another fun fact that annoyed the hell out of me, is the fact that Reed's son Franklin is about 1000x more powerful than the Scarlet Witch could over dream of being. (which is also why stories involving him are kinda bland and always end up in a draw or Franklin just fixing everything.}
4: The over reliance of MacGuffins. This entire film is built on MacGuffins, basically America is a walking, talking MacGuffin. Her power is lame as hell and is literally the plot device for the narrative to move, and why exactly his her power tied to her life force? Is this explained? No. Does her dying matter to Steven, it shouldn't. The Opening sequence made no sense and felt rushed for a flanderized version of Strange to be an asshole so that the plot can continue. America is basically a paperweight to the story and could have just as easily been replaced by a sentient Robot with a universal teleportation system built and the plot would have been exactly the same. Weird spell books that basically shoehorn what ever is needed into the plot.
All that being said, I actually did enjoy the movie, however it does actually have some serious problems with it's story writing that just make no damn sense. But to the point of the video, its fun to watch, but from a story perspective, It needs work.
GameExplorer011 Wanda was already empowered by the Darkhold, even if you say that doesn’t give her power (implying the power is already there), it enhances her powers due to the spells in the book. She has been using it since Wandavision and has had plenty of time to become more skilled and powerful. Wanda was also probably more focused on getting revenge on Thanos during endgame, but eh, I chalk it up to them wanting to use Captain Marvel instead.
2. Franklin and the Ultimate Nullifier aren’t even present in the movie, not even present in the Marvel movies as a whole actually. They come way later, and Franklin is still a child nonetheless - meaning that he might’ve been oblivious to the fight going on at Illuminati’s base. Don’t use things that haven’t entered the MCU yet to say it made no sense.
3. As for the Illuminati part, I liked it despite the hiccups that were there. Yes, Mr. Fantastic’s move didn’t make much sense but I guess he was more focused on de-escalating the situation - don’t know why he didn’t use much technology to fight Wanda unless he underestimated her. Still, he can’t plan for literally *every* situation.
Anyways, I don’t think many of them stood much of a chance nonetheless. Wanda was stated to literally be capable of warping reality, and none of them had a counter to that, and Black Bolt has limited telepathy anyways.
@@GameExplorer0115 maybe more runtime and exploring the different stranges and the illuminati would have improved the movie to the level of the first Dr strange
@@mrcrabs9296 the cameos mainly, then the mid credit third eye stuff, and the worst offender being scarlet witch chase sequence she could have easily killed Dr strange and/or taken America Chavez at any part of the chase sequence instead of walking really slowly.
The only parts i genuinely was thrilled about were the alternate stranges which unfortunately were barely explored. The campy horror Raimi directing was the only thing saving the movie's plot's underused potential.
I completely disagree with your assessment of Winter Soldier's SHIELD problem.
The reason they didn't take the Avengers out early is because they were an asset. Hydra didn't want an alien invasion to destroy the world, so recognized the value of keeping them around and in Stark's case began taking his technology (why kill the guy inventing all the cool stuff and just handing it to you?) Also why would they have taken the Tesseract from SHIELD when they, effectively, WERE SHIELD? They had every reason to let them keep it, it was a nice way to keep it protected and they knew right where it was if it was needed again.
I think what he was getting at was why were the Avengers discovering HYDRA a problem, when HYDRA was in the perfect position to eliminate them and secure all their objectives?I could see how the revelation of a secret Nazi death cult, hiding inside the world police would fall flat when all their villainy fails to kill anyone important to the story.
Completely right my guy
mcu simp
@@moxiemaxie3543 wandavision is trash, it tries to justify scarlett witch even thought she enslaved a whole town
@@moxiemaxie3543 Loki wasn't a regular, powerless human. He's an Ice Giant. Completely different race, and safe to assume completely different physical prowess
In the Wanda show, while they do say she's the bad guy (And this video was written and released before Strange), the show does nothing to actually have her see she's the bad guy, has characters defend her actions, and overall framed her to be a sympathetic hero.
As far as virtue signaling goes, it's a bit subjective as to what is or isn't. I personally believe that Marvel does a lot of both, with movies like Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Black Widow being examples of virtue signalling, but Falcon and the Winter Soldier being an example of good inclusion.
IMO, I think Marvel and DC take turns to peak and slump. Around the time we had the Dark Knight movies, the MCU was pretty much down. Marvel's revival began with Iron Man, and then it was DC's turn to sort of take a back seat. Now that the MCU has lost its flavor, I think its now time for DC movies to pick back up
Facts
But one thing about dc is their story hit harder than marvel when they have time to release a movie , like the dark night
Yeah, I'm just worried that Marvel is focusing on quantity over quality. As in, they are so desperate to pump out as many movies as possible, that they compromise on the quality of the stories or the characters
I have to say, it's refreshing to see someone take an objective look at Marvel's Phase 4 and outline the serious issues Marvel needs to address. Solid video, agree with a lot of your points
The thing with Loki is that his character development in his show relies on his growth throughout the MCU until Infinity war. But it doesn't work because he came straight outta Avengers.
They wanted to both have their cake and eat it as well. It’s safe to say they FAILED.
I fell off the MCU a long time ago. it's sad that the 2018 Spider-Man game and 2021 guardians of the Galaxy game gave me much much better storytelling and way more moments of actual emotional nuance than almost everything the MCU has churned out
Video games you got 10+ hours to tell a story compared to a movie with 2 hours.
@@miguelquintero1374 Thats obvious for a single film, but for the shows each episode is about 40-50 minutes. Wandavision is 9 episodes, Falcon and WS is 6 episodes, and Loki is 6 episodes. So more than enough time to make a decent story.
@@antviper135 loki was great i think.
@@darthchilde8880 Loki is the better of the shows
If they didn't make Loki a bitch by getting bested by humans numerous times, and making that girl the star of the show. Loki used to be threatening, but he is just the laughing stock. Similar to how they ruined Thor.
@@antviper135 but no humans defeated loki, they r tva agents. And use time manipulation, i mean avengers defeated thanos using time manipulation so i dont think its fairto say loki lost to humans cuz in that case thanos lost to a human too likewise.
I loved the fact that the movies before endgame took time to flesh characters out, and let people come up with their own conclusions. Recently characters haven't felt like themselves, I know I didn't like how hulk was portrayed in Thor 2.
Its really sad because these characters have a lot of history and conflicts that made us invested in their stories, watching all that source material not matter so much has been hard to watch, even on movies I sort of enjoyed.
Dr strange wasn't like Dr Strange in the spiderman movie, felt like he was nefted just to be in that movie. The multiverse of madness had holes I mentally had to not bring up so as to enjoy the movie. Glad I sat through your video, my hope is that the people making these decisions really see how bad its gotten and right the course for the next phase.
Hulk in Thor 2? He wasn't in Dark World.
@@LordVader1094 you must forgive people for forgetting about Dark World. Other than Thor's mom dying and Loki faking his death with all that can after that in the last few minutes, there was literally nothing of that movie that had any consequences
I completely appreciate this video.
I've watched the recent Spiderman once and the TV shows once, but The Batman three times because of how enjoyable it was. That says a lot when it used to be the opposite.
I really do hope Blade is good, that's the movie I'm really looking forward to.
@@OnePieceDrums spiderman no way home is mostly carried by the nostalgic moments in the movie. While the batman is a masterpiece. Stunning cinematography, thrilling story. Its really good
@@Abhimanyu_sunil And MoM confirmed one thing to me: No way home was made just to feel like Sony is yet part of the MCU, while not being really important to this new phase.
@@lucassantossj MoM tried to ride the nostalgia train like No way home but just ended up butchering the entire thing. The writing and motivations were god awful and there were no stakes since either no one actually dies in the original universe or the wizards can just come up with whatever exmachina spell they needed to slog the plot forward
It'll never be as good as Blade II, that movie is so dope, easily the best ever Marvel movie.
How did you sit through 3 hours of emo Batman that many times 😯
You can tell from this Phase that after Endgame they did not a have Plan for the MCU going forward. It's been nothing but one disappointment after another, No Way Home Withstanding.
Yeah. It really shows. They are literally all over the place at this point ; and there's really no structured plot building or interconnectedness behind any of the stories. What exactly is phase 4 supposed to be building up to?? I don't really see any. These might be signs of the MCU's decline.
@@ravinglibertopian3226 Kang
Actually the Russo brothers just came out stating in an article that Fiege apparently has never had a real plan to any of the MCU since taking over it fully back in 2016. But I think enough of the previous MCU set up when the films were being made under paramount helped assist him all the way up to Endgame where it felt like the past 10 years of Marvel's cinematic universe really had some closure to it. Then of course like with all things, continued greed to milk as much money out of the phenomena that was the MCU ultimately led to a severe dip in its quality and the complete lack of a plan for the universe going forward shows now, more than ever. SMH
They have a plan, I just don't think they have a plan on sorting the ground heroes but they are focused on how they gonna do the multiverse
@@ravinglibertopian3226 Kang, Galactus, Secret Wars
You verbalized and put into video everything I've been thinking and telling friends about phase 4, particularly the shows. Among many sins committed by the writing, those shows completely butcher existing characters and establish bland new ones. I'm sure you noticed all the dissent in the comments aren't backed by much, if at all, which leads me to believe that the dislike bombing came from MCU stans from Instagram who repost each other's horrible content. This was a great video, you earned a like and a sub for sure
The 4 MCU movies released last year are in the top 6 highest grossing movies of the last 3 years(Pandemic era)..
If we only count Domestic numbers than marvel has 4 movies in the top 5 highest grossing movies of the pandemic era.
@@diannajennings266 XD love how u gotta bring up pandemic error as if it means anything lmao
How much is Marvel paying you?
@@TheAussie90 because every other movie failed ....llol
@@diannajennings266 ah yes, it's not like Godzilla vs. Kong made, like, 467.9 M dollars
The MCU has a special place in my heart because it was thanks to this cinematic universe where I ended up meeting my first friends around the time of Civil War, I remember I would discuss the movies for hours on end with them. And when Infinity War came out, the whole school was freaking out on its hypeness. Then the lockdown happened and I couldn’t see my friends for 2 years, we only recently met up to watch Multiverse of Madness a few weeks back and I remembered just how uninterested we were about the whole thing. We still gelled well but there was this aura of ehhhh when it came to us discussing content that came out around Phase 4, there were obviously a few gems like Ho way Home and Moon Knight but then there was Eternals,Black Widow, Loki and now Doc Strange 2 being ehh. We ended up looking back on how far this series came and realised the magic seemed to be slowly fading as Phase 4 continued. And it had begun to fade after Infinity War because that to us felt like the ABSOLUTE peak of the MCU.
I guess we just kinda grew up and realised that the writers got lazy eventually.
Honestly it was quite obvious Endgame was the peak even before it came out. It's impossible for Marvel, or anyone, to get that amount of hype again. Idk we'll have to wait 10 years and find out. Interested on what direction Feige is planning
@@racool911 14 years ago someone would've said the same about a shared universe of superheroes...but it happened. It's not impossible by far. The thing is, when your universe gets as wide and rich as the MCU's became, you need talented, smart and experienced writers in order to keep the whole thing coherent, consistent,and also keeping it from falling apart in terms.of quality. Yet what Marvel did was stop hiring writers and start hiring activists, that have no idea how to write a superhero story. Let me put that right, they have no idea how to write, period. Hence the results. As long as they keep this and that stupid idea of pushing garbage out every other month(to make matters even worse) it won't get better
@@racool911 Honestly, Endgame wasn't even that good. It had some great moments, but that final showdown was even more contrived than the girl power scene contained within.
Plus when ya think about it, the time heist approach was rather idiotic, literally dumber than the "fat Thor's supposed to be a joke, even though later they take it seriously" thing. Infinity War might as well have been the end of the MCU.
The infinity stone thing is actually something from the comics. Infinity stones can't work outside their own universe, and the TVA is presumably outside of it and possibly any whatsoever. The super strength nullification is BS however.
but as showed in ENDGAME,,,stones from other dimesion can work in others...
@@FULANODETAL that was a different timeline wasn't it
@@skydemon3423 Well Hulk snaped with Stones from other universes
@@FULANODETAL No he didn't
@Lucky Domino no he didn’t it was another timeline not universe
I’m glad you talked about the hate towards John Walker. The amount of unfair hate he got started pissing me off a little, tbh, back when the show was airing. I mean, people are allowed to hate whichever character they want, but it’s really sad to see people take the sides of the bullies if they are the protagonist, makes me wonder how people react when they’re friends are the bullies who twist the story around to make their victims look like the bad guy
I swear to god, people will sympathize with *anyone* as long as they're the protagonist of the story. Remember when Joker came out and we forgot he was a mass murdering psychopath?
@@Resi1ience walter white, light yagami, and many more
ENDGAME SUCK
HULK NEED TO FIGHT THANOS TITANS VS MATCH
@Eli Ben
Well John Walker is essentially an "anti-hero Captain America." But I get your point as what led to him becoming "USAgent" could've been better.
@@DemonicRemption I do actually really like the anti hero part of Walker, and I can’t wait to see more of him, but yeah, I really wanted to see him get an apology in the show, because it wasn’t him who started the fire, it was our heroes
"you just read from left to right like every other book."
Manga readers:"What?"
It seems like they (MCU) don't really have a direction, I thought they did with Loki and introducing Kang variants, but with NWH and Multiverse of Madness it doesn't seem they are capitalizing on that. For instance, I want to see more Kang variants in multiple places (instead of Captain Marvel in mom, it should have been a Kang variant).
what? so wanda coulda killed him and we get to watch him die like a chump with no powers shown.... again? great idea
@@emfasisproductions1 yup, that would just be another variant of Kang. I think there should be more "Kang's" in various movies to keep reminding people of the looming threat that is to come, which is that one Kang.
Yeah, I though that Kang will be a looming threat for Phase 4 (maybe even continuing in Phase 5) just like Thanos was in Phases 1-3. Silly me, looks like he will just appear in Quantumania and maybe Loki S2. Such a shame because the actor is really fucking good.
Oh, and those statements about Loki S1 having impact on NWH and MoM completely fell apart too.
I truly believe MoM and NWH were experimental movies to see what audiences like and don't like thus they can improve on the next films.
Until now everything on Disney+ didn’t really impact the movies… Wanda on MOM seemed not having her arc on Wanda vision, no whatsoever Lang, no sign on the new your mess from Hawkeye in NWH
I really like Loki. Then I sat down and thought about why I liked the series so much. It turns out, Tom Hiddleston is just a win
I'd argue the best part of Loki is Tom Hiddleston himself. You can tell he loves the character a lot, but at the same time they drastically changed what made Loki who he was to begin with.
Not to mention Sylvie basically took his place (Kinda ironic). She deceives him in order to get what SHE wants. You'd think Loki of all people would be able to see through something like that smh
Yeha... people say is the best show... it really isn’t.
@@lulu_TheWitchBoy I'm baffled why people always include that show as one of their favorites. The show had so many plot holes you could drive a semi through with room to spare.
36:43 Yes, I do. I really liked Mobius, and I’m excited to see more of him. I don’t think he’s as cool as any of the superheros like Ragnarok Thor or pre-Loki Loki, but he’s by far the most enjoyable character in that show.
I really really wish they explored the blip in its entirety. I love the movies and superheroes and whatever, but the blip is still by far the more interesting and complex topic in the universe.
I just think they need to hold back on releases. It really is oversaturated. Even the MCU before phase 4 had some mediocre movies but now there's just so much, it's impossible not to notice. However, I think Shang-Chi, Loki, Doctor Strange 2, and even Hawkeye were actually really good and I enjoyed them just as much as some of the other phases
You didn’t like No Way Home?
Some episodes of what if are all right as well
@@IcyDiamond I do like No Way Home. When I first saw it, it spent a brief period of time as one of my favourite movies ever. So much so that I went and saw it 5 times in theaters, which I regret doing because I'm past the nostalgia now and, it's still good. No Way Home is definitely a positive. But it just barely gets through the top 10 MCU for me now
@@theawemazingcrew9702 Neat, thanks for telling me
@@theawemazingcrew9702 that’s why I don’t go watch an MCU movie multiple time in theaters I’ve seen an MCU at the most twice and that was Endgame
About the TVA, it is implied they have different departments with different variants, so they send crews that would be capable of taking out any variant threat. The TVA doesn't intervene unless a variant of Kang that is evil is created, so cap traveling back must have not effected the course events to be unpruned.
And from what it sounds like, the TVA basically just did what Rick Sanchez did in the last season of Rick & Morty (no surprise since they hired a writer from that show for Loki). The "Sacred Timeline" is basically good Kang's attempt at blocking off a certain section of the multiverse from the wider, more chaotic multiverse so that at least some of it could be prevented from creating evil Kang.
The point you made about the character consistency from Superman the animated series to Justice League Unlimited is what makes the series unmatched
You called it all out, and anyone who defends this isn't able to think for themselves. The huge plot holes, the inconsistent writing, character development that is ignored to further the plot, the constant need for jokes that don't land (even if it undercuts a serious moment), time travel and multiverse not having consistent rules, ideology taking precedent over anything else when they decide to shoehorn it in, the constant disrespect to everything that came before and the existing characters (who can be turned into a cheap joke), the inconsistent world building, characters being incompetent for either a cheap joke or for the plot to work, and the convoluted mess of different unrelated stories that are more about making constant products to consume than building up to something.
Something that always bothered me about the Blip was that they never went into how many people would have died during the Return. Think about it: pedestrians reappearing in the missile of the street, airline travelers reappearing in the open sky with no plane, people on cruise ships reappearing in the middle of the ocean with no ship, people reappearing in the middle of life-saving surgeries, people reappearing int he middle of active construction sites, or new wars, etc. etc.
Marvel confirmed hulk already thought of that and made them re blip in a safe place but yes I agree with you they should have addressed that in the movie
they confirmed that hulk put them into a safe place
@@billsmafiamania3767 Just like JK Rowling comfirmed that Hermione is black?
What has ever led you too believe they come back at the same spot?
@@calis7359 Maybe Spider-Man ffh where they show people spawning into the same spot they snapped in?
Nice analysis and commentary. I hope the MCU can return to its 2014-era peak, but it will be tough to juggle all these different writers with different visions for the story.
@@diannajennings266 Bad movies can still make tons of money - it doesn't really mean anything when it comes to quality. It's more of a measure of popularity. For instance, Transformers 2-4 made billions despite being worse than the first.
@@YossarianAssyrian If you compare critic and audience ratings across the internet you will find out that Phase 4 MCU movies have a lot higher ctitical rsyinhs and Audience ratings than any Transformers movies,it's not even close.(except for Eternals maybe even though Audience score of Eternals is still better than Trsnsfitners,but that didn't contribute alot to the box office anyway even though it made over 400 million)
It's not about Money alone but considering all metrics....
@@YossarianAssyrian Also .... Phase 4 is already more successful than Phase 1 and 2 of the MCU and when Dr Strange 2 make another billion(which is certain) ,it could be the most successfull phase ever especially with Black Panther and Thor 4 coming in phase 4 too.And we are not even talking about the hugely successful MCU TV shows on Disney
@@diannajennings266 well these critics seriously don`t know how to review just take an example that what if? won best animated series whereas there were many well deserving nominations such as invincible, arcane and young justice also if I remember correctly one also said black widow is best marvel movie and they rated it 7.5/10 and that movie doesn`t even deserve 4/10.
@@reeshitdey568 Just because What if won some best animated series award somewhere doesn't mean it's better.Its not like it won every single awards available.. It's all subjective..
If someone rate Black Widow higher than you ,it doesn't mean they are wrong either. It is what it is
23:57 I agree with this. The Variants are all normal Humans while Loki is basically a Frost Giant/Aesir Hybrid with all the strength that entails. Loki should have been able to Brute Force his way out.
not even counting his skills. hell, a fucking child loki was able to do it, so why not a combat-experienced adult?!
i think they imply that the mindstone was possessing loki in avengers when you see him tearing up near thor , and even when the avengers are arguing on the hangar and being a little too aggressive. but it still doesn’t explain it since he was still just as “anti villain” in thor 1 and 2
but he didnt do mass killing the way he did in avengers. i still think loki show is better than most of mcu movies and shows.ppl should jst wait till the saga ends t decide that it was good or not.
Very solid points. The Loki example bothered me especially. I though that I was the only one who had a problem with the TVA. The lack of creativity and poor characterization drives me up a wall.
I find Wandavision being the most egregious. These mofos in the writing room really sat there and said "We'll have Wanda warp reality and not have her entire phone book's worth of super powered friends not even check up on her." Dude, a literal Avenger was in distress where is everyone? You want me to believe that Nick Fury will send Krees from fucking outer space just to hand deliver a pair of glasses to Peter Parker but Wanda isn't afforded that kind of help when she clearly needs an intervention.
Seeing as The Eternals were created by the Celestial I personally Highly Doubt The Snap affected THEM.
I was curious and Googled the Celestial just to see who was among their number; and one reference noted that Galactis who is considered to be a MINOR Celestial views Thanos as little more than a gnat buzzing annoyingly about the universe. This leads me to believe that the Celestials are of such universal cosmic power that even the infinity stones can't affect them (even when combined). Of course I have never seen any instance to tell me one way or another, this is all just assumptions and guessing. However as the Celestials and Eternals are essentially immortal they may not be categorized as "all living things." Again just speculation, but that's what I'm going to go with.
Thanos pretty much wrecked everybody with the infinity gauntlet in the comics. They actually severely nerfed the gauntlet in the MCU.
@@endangeredspecies8441 I don't doubt that at all; I just mean that even WITH all that power, if the celestials only see Thanos as simply a nuisance, they must be overly OP. of course some speculate that introducing Thanos' brother in eternals "confirms" HIS Eternal status. Personally I think that's a leap, myself; until one of the movies actually SAYS it Thanos will always be another mortal creature. Albeit a powerful one, but not an Eternal.
it was only all living things on this planet correct? I definitely don't think Eternals are "of this planet". So they wouldn't be effected. But I do think the Gauntlet could get rid of Celestials if Thanos specefically wanted that to happen. But that would basically be asking to destroy all life everywhere wouldn't it?
@@gamblertoguru382 No, Thanks erased 50% of all living things in the Universe. Hence Captain Marvel's line: "What's happening here, is happening everywhere, on every planet. And unfortunately they don't have you guys.". Remember? Thanos believed that the whole universe easy balanced, not just Earth. Earth itself is nothing to Thanos.
Galactus isnt really a celestial, he is the only one of his species and doesnt properly have a physical form, on a full stomach he decks the celestials.
ruclips.net/video/LZ-U_tBnOjo/видео.html heres a video on his power
One of the best critiques of the MCU I've heard. Your understanding of the characters seems to be better than Marvel Studios themselves.
Bruh I felt like I was the only one. The projects are all over the place rn and in my opinion setting up way to many different things at once, to the point where it’ll be years before we get continuations or conclusions from each project they set up.
The Humor in the MCU has gotten out of control and is turning these films into what I like to call fast food movies.
These movies are made to be so easily digestible with no hardcore ties to anything else or any consequences to the point where it all just feels like a Saturday film.
I liked Infinity War bc it actually had stakes. The jokes were here and there but it added to the film, it didn’t kill it or fall flat on its face unlike so other films *cough cough Eternal…
The Batman works so fucking well bc it knows it’s characters and it’s setting. It’s a dark and gritty world with actual consequences that the main character has to deal with. It’s not trying to throw jokes at you every 5 minutes to just keep your interest bc the writers know they are soo deep into the franchise that they no longer give a flying shit about any of these films.
Marvel films are hero stories that are supposed to inflect a sense of morale and hope into its audience. Not a fucking Saturday Night Live stand up comedy show.
Absolutely. Great fucking smack down speech. That's why I'm steering away from marvel ; and getting more into DC. It's just way more grounded in realism.
@@ravinglibertopian3226 seriously. I’ve thought this for a while and I was one of the first ones to call out Eternals bs even with the trailer release
The CGI just screamed rushed and less care put into it than the other films but ppl called me crazy
And I’m gonna say it right now
Thor Love and Thunder scares me bc it honestly looks like everything that’s bad in marvel put into one film. Rough CGI, jokes everywhere and a very loose story of Thor “finding himself”.
They can take this in an amazing way but I bet my money they’ll take the lazy route.
@@TLN_Nello Tell me about it. It's hard finding a reason to stick around for the MCU when a lot of it's newer installments are becoming more and more cookie cutter after another, focusing more on messaging and humor rather than deep, high stakes serious story building. Phase 4 is trying to spin way too many stories at 1 time ; and it makes the bigger picture harder to follow. I still don't even know what larger story phase 4 is trying to build up to or what direction it wants to take. This is really my central problem with phase 4. It kinda feels artificial, whereas the other 3 phases already had a larger story to build up to(Thanos) ; so they felt much more organic. I don't get that same high stakes vibe at all with phase 4.
@@ravinglibertopian3226 Some people say it feels that way bc it’s still early on in the “new era of marvel” but it shouldn’t feel that way. Captain America started out with literally no backing of the other marvel films at all. Eternals, Shang Chi, Black Widow…these are movies that should’ve EASILY been top tier. You have the hype of the previous films but that’s the problem, these new writers they are letting write these films DO NOT CARE whatsoever and it shows hard. I also blame Disney plus for this. Back in the other 3 phases we had only the big screen to see these films on. Now it’s in two places and almost being treated as separate entities when it’s all in..one..universe?
Get it together Marvel holy shit.
@@TLN_Nello Yes. The writers seem to think that they can keep riding off the success of past MCU installments forever ; and because of that, are getting lazy and complacent in their storytelling. If they don't get it together ; that past momentum of success isn't going to last forever.
I completely agree with all the points you made against TFATWS, Sam literally cared more about a mass murderer then another black soldier, mind your the whole series is a lot of stuff about race
I lost it in Falcon and The Winter Soldier when Falcon (who at this point has been casually beating aliens) and Bucky (who has more combat experience than anyone alive and also fought aliens) struggle versus two bit terrorist like Flag Smashers
This was brilliant! Thank you for actualizing all the problems I had with intelligence and care.
I admit, I'm a marvel fanboy, but I agree that a good portion of the MCU is in a bit of a weird place right now. Far from home, was far from the disaster I feared it would be, but I'm still gonna look at the MCU and the marvel brand in general with more critical eyes. And don't think DC is safe either. They may have given us the Snyder cut (about fucking time), James Gunn's Suicide Squad, and even Shazam, but they still cursed our screens with Blunder Woman 1984, the 2016 Suicide Squad, and don't get me started on BvS. No one gets special treatment in my house.
Dc have a ton of movies coming out in 2023! 2023 is they year fr
@@simplymakayla3327 um the marvels, guardians 3, ant man and the wasp quatumania, fantastic four reboot, blade reboot
Uh yea someone didn’t see the new Batman movie lol… if anything DC is changing for the better and the MCU is.. well not. I told everyone since Ironman, DC gives actual cinema.. this will always out green screens, cgi, and hokey jokes
@@paulglover2778 You're technically right. At the time I wrote that comment, I didn't see the Batman movie. I did see it later in March.
@@luismedrano6680 I’m no so excited sorry
Moon Knight is a breath of fresh air for the MCU. Really hope they keep it going with S2.
It felt like a comic on screen without the issues of the other current MCU stuff.
@@Augusto_Pinochet no it was about a mentally ill man coping with his did while being involved working for a deity, layla was just a support for marc/steven while he was going through alot in his mind. stop thinking everything is ab the political status quo.
@@Augusto_Pinochet Dude What? I believe Layla saved Moon Knight Twice or 3 times. And she's literally the only women/female execpt maybe the hippo
Once to introduce herself and save Steven, Once I think near the middle and One for her avatar reveal. It also clearly focuses on Mark/Steven.
Have u seen the last episode it fits the mcu problems
@@Augusto_Pinochet bro hates women ahahahha
@@Augusto_Pinochet Said "strong wahmenz" is a TALKING HIPPO.
Woke Phase Four:
WandaVision: Female-led show that introduces two more major female characters, Agatha Harkness
(who will get her own series) and Monica Rambeau. A cameo by Dr. Strange intended to explain all the
commercials as his efforts to contact her through the Hex was written out despite the fact that it would
make perfect sense and tie the series into the larger MCU because it was thought that even the
appearance of a major male character would somehow detract from Wanda’s journey. That leaves the
show’s only white male as the villain, naturally. We are also introduced to Wanda’s two children, one of
which we know will grow up to be gay (future box checked).
Falcon & the Winter Soldier: The first half of the show largely involves lecturing the audience on how
racist America is, even though there was not a single MCU fan who didn’t cry or cheer (or both) when
Steve handed over his shield to Sam. Towards the end the show shifts gears to start lecturing the
audience on immigration and open borders instead. The villain is a female POC, but we find out she’s
not really a bad guy after all, with the darkest acts actually committed by the new white male Captain
America. We also get introduced to a major new female character in Contessa Valentina.
Loki: The series is promoted as being about the male character Loki, but the plot is actually centered
around the new female version of Loki (a theme that will continue). Male Loki spends most of the film
trying to catch up with or figure out the machinations of female Loki who is always two steps ahead,
giving us a female character who is better than the show’s main male character at whatever the male
character is supposedly the best at (another theme that will continue). Kang the Conqueror, a major
character and descendant of white Reed Richards, is race-swapped to be black.
Black Widow: Female-led movie that introduces several new major female characters in Yelena Belova
and the Iron Maiden. Taskmaster was inexplicably gender-swapped to female as well, retconning the
character’s powers and entire origin story to do so. The only males in the film are a simp desperate for
Natasha’s approval, a deadbeat Dad who only succeeds at being a punchline for the basest forms of
toxic masculinity and a two-dimensional misogynist white male villain so over-the-top and cartoony that
he actually says out loud that the world has too many little girls in it.
Shang-Chi: Another obscure character that no one was asking for is introduced so that he can be touted
as the first Chinese super-hero, crossing off another box on the identity politics bingo card. We meet
multiple new female characters, including Shang-Chi’s sister, who is given little plot development and
seems to only be in the film to kick Shang-Chi’s ass, giving us a female character who is better than the
show’s main male character at whatever the male character is supposedly the best at. She may be
getting her own series.
Eternals: A movie about an obscure super team that no one asked for and one that has massive
implication in the MCU but is then completely ignored by all other MCU productions. The team
predominantly features gay members, handicapped members, race-swapped members and gender-
swapped members. Despite it being the most ‘diverse and inclusive’ cast ever, the movie was watched
by literally no one.
Hawkeye: The series is promoted as being about the male character Hawkeye, but the plot is actually
centered around the new female version of Hawkeye. It also features the female anti-hero Yelena
Belova and introduces a major new female character, the Native American and handicapped Echo (who
will get her own series).
Spider-Man - No Way Home: The only MCU film not owned by Disney. There is no identity politics in it
whatsoever, instead focusing on nostalgia and great story-telling. Consequently, it became far and away
the biggest hit of the entire MCU post-Endgame.
Dr. Strange and the Multi-Verse of Madness: The movie was promoted as being about the male
character Stephen Strange, but the plot is centered around Wanda Maximoff. Strange spends the entire
movie running from or unsuccessfully trying to hold off Wanda’s powerful magic, giving us a female
character who is better than the show’s main male character at whatever the male character is
supposedly the best at. It also introduces us to a major new female character in Hispanic America
Chavez, who has two gay moms and manages to lecture the audience on how food (and presumably
healthcare) should be free for all. After Dr. Strange repeatedly fails to save the day, Wanda ends up
redeeming her own self and seemingly sacrificing herself in the process. A post-credit cameo also
introduces us to yet another major female character in Clea.
Ms. Marvel: Female-led show that introduces us to the major female character and first-ever Muslim
character (another box checked), the otherwise obscure and un-asked for Ms. Marvel. This show will tie
in to the upcoming all-female movie The Marvels, featuring Captain Marvel and Monica Rambeau.
Thor: Love and Thunder: This show is promoted as being about the male character Thor but the plot is
actually centered around the new female Thor (Jane Foster) and her battle with cancer. Female Thor,
dubbed ‘The Mighty Thor’, is also able to command the loyalty and powers of Mjolnir (which reforms
solely for her) better than male Thor, giving us a female character who is better than the show’s main
male character at whatever the male character is supposedly the best at. We are also introduced to a
brand-new female character in ‘Love’ at the movie’s end. The movie is a wealth of identity box-checking
as it features bisexual Norse-but-somehow-still-black Valkyrie, the non-binary son of Norse-but-
somehow-still-black Heimdall (who manages to lecture the audience on the evils of ‘dead-naming’), gay
Korg, gay Korg’s two gay dads and even a cross-dressing Miek. The phenomenal performance of the evil
alien-but-somehow-still-whiter-than-white villain is unfortunately wasted and the virtues of the rainbow
coalition are even further promoted by giving us an evil realm whose main distinctive feature is its
oppression and exclusion of diverse colors. Also, the legendary God Zeus is depicted as overly-
effeminate (complete with a flouncy little skirt) and the subtext of the entire film is essentially a scathing
indictment of religion and, by extension, anyone who would be foolish enough to actually be religious.
She-Hulk - Attorney at Law: Female-led series that introduces us to the major female character Jennifer
Walters Her origin story is inexplicably changed away from having Bruce Banner save her life to it merely
being an accident in a canon-shredding case of Hulk’s blood simply touching hers. Unlike Bruce, Jennifer
immediately has full control of her mental faculties and can combine her power and her intelligence in a
way that it took Bruce years and years to master (even though he was one of the world’s leading
scientific geniuses), giving us a female character who is better than the show’s male character at
whatever the male character is supposedly the best at. The series shifted away from its intended
premise of court-room procedural when the showrunner realized that no one in the writer’s room ‘knew
how to write courtroom drama’ (?) and instead leaned into token female empowerment in every way
imaginable, from having a beloved male hero forced to take the ‘walk of shame’ to making the ultimate
villains be cartoonish white male incels and internet trolls.
Black Panther - Wakanda Forever: Namor’s backstory and origins are completely retconned so that Marvel
can have its first Mexican character (another box checked) and of course we replace male Black Panther with
female Black Panther and introducing a black female Ironheart (who will get her own series) to replace the white male
Iron Man. Continuing the well-established trend, both will undoubtedly be better at whatever the male hero they are
replacing was best at. Interestingly, somehow the Aztec-born Namor managed to be around for his original culture to be
subjugated by white slave owners but somehow missed the rape, murder, enslavement, human sacrifice and cannibalism
that the Aztec themselves were notorious for for centuries.
I left a like because you deserve it for just typing all of this out.
so if a protagonist is a female or black character it's woke?
The only time I would consider something woke is when they include LGBTQ shit in other than that I think the movies are alright
I personally didn't hate Kurt Russel's Son (Walker), thought he was supposed to be a divisive character not an all around hated one just because Bucky was pouting about it.
The detail in this video is ridiculous, you put a lot of hard work into this!
Obviously I don't agree with 100% of your opinions, but you were brave enough to just say what you thought without worrying about what others would think. That alone deserves a like and sub.
I agree 1000% I just saw Dr. Strange 2.
They are just pumping these things out with no thought. These films used to be great. They have now ruined Hulk, Thor & Strange.
its not affecting their bottom line lol. Doctor Strange 2 had a stellar worldwide opening at $450 million, yet another sign that marvel isnt slowing down and its mass appeal isn't waning.
Agreed. I was utterly disappointed after seeing DS2. He himself felt like a sidecharacter in his own solo movie. Couldn’t do shit without the help of someone else. The Illuminati were cucked hard asf too. What a fucking waste of time.
@@anomaly395 THANK YOU! I shared the exact same thoughts regarding the laughably bad ‘horror’ aspects of this film.
@@Kessekom yeah phenomenal.
It was Wanda vision pt 2.
Woke plot line.
Sorcerer Supreme gets possessed by demons yet Christine can grab a spirit by the throat. It was cheese. But it's cool. U can clap at everything they throw out
@@anomaly395 "Believe Steven" Hold on, let me punch a spirit. 😂. Such cheese
remember the days when you didn't have to watch all the movies to get an understanding on the overall story of the mcu and they were all their own movie not relying on cameos and end credit scenes for people to be hyped. Not to mention they had characters you cared about. Yeah throw all out the window for phase 4
I wouldn't say they rely on cameos the films don't need them but THE FANS won't shut tf up about who they wanna see cameo in a film due to NWW since now they know if they beg tf out of Marvel they will eventually listen and comply since NWH was a giant Spider-Man fan service movie. As for the end credits, they are supposed to be like teasers for upcoming projects to get you interested in checking them out. But can 100% agree that caring about the characters has been difficult besides the Avengers who appeared before FFH I could care less about any of the new Avengers since they haven't really had anything to get you invested into them. Everyone has just been hyped about NWH, Doctor Strange 2, Thor 2, Black Panther 2, Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 3, etc.
Oh boo hoo.
Disney really wants to capitalize on the “All New, All Different” era of Marvel, even though it’s horse ass.
@@MrInvaderOhYeah what the hell is even going on in all new marvel. I bailed out after civil war 2
@@holyother1 same old story. Diversity killing good storytelling.
Loki show wasn't even Loki fan service cause me (and the rest of Loki tumblr) HATE the show.
You know, if they WANTED to make him good instantly, could have gone the (previously popular) fan theory that the mind gem and Thanos was manipulating him, and or also bring up the torture that he obviously suffered at the hands of Thanos (remember the limping and wounds when he first came to earth in Avengers 1?)
If Black Widow had taken a few pages from Jason Bourne It may have shattered expectations and been really good. Not EVERYONE like The Bourne movies, I'll agree, but they were better executed that the MCU movie we got.
26:45 bro i really started to think "agatha was a hero" because damn she the only one who tried to stop her nonsense
I've definitely noticed these issues but hearing someone else say it is validation 😂 I've happily been getting disappointed the past couple of years and its not cool. The MCU is one misguided reboot on disney+ away from becoming the CW 😂
Side note, I actually really enjoyed "What If" I doubt you'll see this but might make an interesting review at the least.
The massacre of Loki's character and powers will ALWAYS hurt me
John Walker was the best character in the series while Sam and Bucky were the worst. The man was actually doing his job as a soldier with given responsibilities. While the 2 superhero soldiers are just constantly belittle him after taking up the mantle Sam clearly dont want any part of
Karli is the worst imo.
Karli was a bloody supervillian and Sam making excuses for her actions irritated me to no end which is honestly just sad because I really wanted to love this series because Bucky was one of my favourite Marvel characters
Its even worse that sam was a military counselor for PTSD, and instead of the show taking advantage of that by having him counsel the clearly distraught John walker after losing his best friend, he and Bucky decide to gang up on him to take a shield. If steve rodgers was in the same position he would’ve realized that he was dealing with a broken man desperately trying to live up to the ideals of one of the worlds greatest hero. He would’ve helped and mentored that man on becoming a hero, potentially one that could live up to carry the mantle of Captain America, instead of antagonizing him since the beginning, and fighting him when he is down over an inanimate object.
@@alpatrack7936 Wow, perfectly said. FATWS's writing was simply put, garbage, at least for how it butchered Sam and Karli's characters.
Almost like fan boys crying about some guy replacing their hero... Much like the people in this video comment section
18:19 **slams desk** _THANK YOU!_
I never really considered myself to be a marvel "fan," but even _then_ I got angry at that. I mean, a man who's been so committed to others for his entire life, at a time where they may very well need him more than ever when moving forward, just decides to say _"LOL fuck all y'all, I'm gonna go give myself a happily ever after even though nobody else is gonna get one. Nevermind the fact that doing this breaks time, which literally defeats the purpose of why I started fixing time in the first place. Oh, and just to rub salt in the wound; I'm gonna com back just before I die just so I can rub this shit in everyone's face and die happy knowing I've fucked everyone over for my own sake."_
As someone who feels absolutely alienated by everything Disney nowadays, especially Marvel, this video was incredibly therapeutic.
In Star Wars the order 66 part of the story is shown and brought up a lot more than they do with the blip like they should show more of the blip and how it effected people.
This vid is a certified banger. Thank you for saying what needed to be said. I'd LOVE to see a part 2 with everything that's come out since.
48:11 the problem with the humor isn't that the style is the same, but that all of the jokes are pretty generic now. Like take any hero's jokes, they're interchangeable with each other where they weren't before. Even some of Thor's jokes on Ragnarok could be used with Ant Man's and we wouldn't even notice. The MCU's charm is the blending if different characters, not clones of the same character in a different color costume.
Yeah look at any trailer ever for any marvel film and it will go like this:
Action
Action
Action
*song cuts out, awkward joke here*
*laugh*
Action
end of trailer
Thors jokes wouldnt fit antmans character
@@sambreyer7344 you forgot female power
I agree that the period joke wasn’t funny, but the hysterectomy talk afterward wasn’t a joke. No one is laughing, it shuts him up, and it completely changes the tone
I would say the way she talks about it in the scene sounds like the tone someone would use while they are making a joke, so it doesn't feel serious or impactful
@@maximumvelocity6664 she says it with a completely straight face and is monotone. That’s not the way you tell a joke. She’s not gonna cry over it, by now she’s just angry at the situation.
It was a joke. It was a “look how uncomfortable the man is hearing about hysterectomies is” joke. Yelena’s delivery was flat, but that’s known as “deadpan delivery”.
@@yellowcard8100 you’re responding to a foid bruh. Of course she’s not going to see it as a joke because she’s a hyper-sensitive, far leftist.
To be fair, the humor in WandaVision made some sense, because the entire show was also a homage to the comedy-based sitcoms of past real-world eras. I do see your point, though.
Everybody hates Chris is a comedy based sitcoms of past real world eras and it’s actually funny because it’s written by people who actually are funny and grew up in those time which the show uses to it’s advantage unlike Wandavison where the MCU shitty/unfunny jokes and forced comedic humor are used in comedy sitcoms scenes written by people who are honestly not funny enough for the jokes to land even if the show was just a comedy show and not a Science Fiction/Fantasy show
The MC is a hypocritical evil villain who enslaved an entire town of innocent people just to have her fake family and doesn’t get punished for it.Her making bad jokes on top that isn’t relatable
Why is someone who grew up in Eastern Europe nostalgic for old American sitcoms?
@@InfernosReaper I didn't grow up in Eastern Europe.
@@Wolffman109 I wast talking about Wanda shaping that town into the image of something she should have little knowledge or appreciation of, old American sitcoms
27:54 I hate to say it, but the biggest character assassination in the MCU was Hulk/Bruce Banner 🤷
And Thor
And now, Doctor Strange. Jeez fuck, they turned him into a fucking useless tool.
They made hulk a sissy dab hulk would never say that
nah had to be taskmaster
I just love how Multiverse of Madness just said "nope, Wanda is definitely a crazy bitch" (SPOILER)
Wanda just merciless kill a version of Maria Rambeau who was alive and fine, making Monica the dumbest person alive by defending her. Dude she also killed Reed and Black Bolt, who are much more of a family figure than she ever was (and also Xavier, who is a father figure to a lot of kids).
That's just House of M. My problem with that is House of M was a HUGE event, a literally universe changing event. They're jumping into it so soon after Endgame
In the comics Wanda wished, all the mutants were wiped out. She has always been over powered.
this guys must think that the movie all happened in 1 universe
Thing is, the problem isn't if she's addressed as a villain of not, is the fact that wanda, the one who questioned the avengers morals fpr killing so many ppl, is the one doing mass murder now.
I hate that they completely undid all her characterization in WV from GRIEVING WIDOW AND GRIEVING MOTHER to "nah she's just crazy cause THE DARKHOLD" that. IS. FCKING. CHEAP. A character doing things out of pure grief derived madness is WAY more compelling and interesting than "lol they crazy".
I'm still hoping that Loki planned his TVA stuff and that his plan gets "revealed" in the next season. Would be a bit cheap, but hey
When I first saw the teaser trailer for the Loki series, I thought it was going to be about Loki travelling from place to place using the Tesseract and creating mischief. Then, after finishing the season, I thought that it would’ve been better if they had gone with that premise but with the addition of the time stone and his mischiefs resulting in creating the multiverse.
This was TRULY WELL DONE. Well thought out and articulated, as well as being incredibly in-depth. Also, I'm very glad to see that there is someone else who is not a fan of the 'EVERYTHING is a joke' stance that the MCU has taken. I feel like they ruined Thor in particular as a character for me, he became contradictory sometimes in their pursuit for cheap laughter/slapstick humour/ potty jokes. I love Marvel but, like you probably, just wish that they'd tap into their potential.
that was the whole point? too see how far he has fell to the point hes nothing but a joke after thanos
Go watch Moonknight
@@cc21234 no because Thor Ragnorok was literally right before Thanos came into the picture
bro this thor love and thunder trailer is 100% about to get thor right... stop playing. his FULL arc is finna finish
@@noahwilson1410 tbh i didnt see him much as a joke in ragnarok rather just prideful and arrogant. after ragnorok is when he really shines
This video made me realize that I haven't rewatched any phase 4 show or movie othar than Spider-man No Way Home. I have rewatched every other MCU movie, but not every show, more than three times at least.
For me, this franchise ended in Endgame and Captain Marvel is just a very powerful warrior with no movie thanks.
agreed. I think that a better direction to go after endgame would have been, while a really drastic move, “restarting” in a new universe. For instance, start making origin story movies again and build up a hero team over time. During this period, movies/shows about the “original” era could be supplemental or wrap up their stories, or introduce the multiverse in a way that shows how these two eras might “cross over” in the future, while avoiding a ton of conflicting relationships and storylines. There are just so many characters so while something like moon knight and spiderman teamups might not happen in the movie universe or would be exclusive to a one-off thing, at least it helps some of the biggest issues with the MCU lately. The rules would be able to keep track of more consistently, and not increasingly difficult to follow. I think Dr Strange 2 is definitely symptomatic of these new problems, where theres just so much information to cover that it’s almost impossible NOT to make a story that is dominantly focused on the MCU as a whole rather than individual characters.
@@katherinebell8176 I know what you are talking about but Idk if a Crisis on Infinite Earths is the best way to end a franchise you know. After all the tokenazations and political bs thrown out in the movies a reboot is the worst thing ever.
when MCU characters make jokes it feels like they stop being the character for a few seconds, make the joke, and then step back into character. its like the writers aren't trying to write jokes that fit each individual character's approach to humor, they're just writing jokes, and then giving them to any old character- which ends up being a combination of their own humor and whatever sort of humor is popular at the time. and that seems to be making quips about serious or deadly situations in a way that has nothing to do with coping, and just makes a character seem like an unaware, self-centered asshole who has the power to take that and call it heroism. with a franchise like the mcu that makes a lot of jokes now (like seriously, it takes up more and more dialogue as the writers will place a joke in any situation whether it's natural or not), it sort of meshes their personalities together. I've actually started imagining them stopping the scene, getting out of costume, grabbing a script, reading the joke, getting back in costume, and then unpausing the scene when this happens.
(edit) also this makes me worry about the upcoming fantastic 4 movie. calling it right now, Ben Grimm/The Thing will be nothing but the comedic relief. he will be treated exactly like Thor was in Engame.
My problem with Falcon in his show was that they didn't show WHY he gave up the shield. Yes, he didn't feel worthy of it or whatever. But, come on SHOW, DON'T TELL! It also hurts the show that they left out parts of the "flashback" where he accepted the shield at first. So when the scene in that "tell, don't show" conflict of Sam's happens, it feels jarring and contrived.
Sam should never have got the shield, bucky should have, he knew steve way more
@@s66s46 Funny enough, I agree
@@s66s46 Same, but this Bucky probably doesn't want to do it.
@@s66s46 no. sam is more like cap and steve probably saw himself in sam and probably remembered that doctor said in the first avenger that steve was a good man, so that steve said sam is a good man that's why he gave his shield to sam
@@iamfriendly6483 still weird though, he didnt know him enough in my opinion