@@SeaJay_Oceans You know Allah is simply the arab word for God? Christians in Arabia have called God in their native language Allah from way before Mohammed was born.
Jordan and Gavin are my two favorite Protestants as a Catholic, they have grace and gentleness and present a good offense and defense for their side. May God bless them both!
@fantasia55 have grace with Protestants. While I understand the urgency. To maintain a disposition of spite or strife will not help the overall cause of bringing people home. Give credit where it’s due, and pray your rosary DAILY
@@betterhappensdaily praying to Mary does not get any answers because only Jesus Christ has the power and authority to hear and answer prayer because He is God
Love the Jordan Cooper shout out! He seems to me the most switched on among the Protestant youtubers to what actually divides Catholics and Protestants
Nearly everything divides Catholic and Protestants ie purgatory, prayers for the dead, praying to Mary, last rites, the mass, the pope, confessing sin to a priest, the sacraments saying they can save.
I agree about Jordan Cooper’s channel being very good for a classical protestant perspective. Also the “Anglican aesthetics“ channel is really good in content.
“I don’t like the word anti-Catholic because I wouldn’t say anti-protestant if a Catholic thought what you were saying was wrong “ People both sides, could learn a lot in this
Anti-Catholic has a very different meaning than anti-protestant! And that is historical in this country of America. And England too thanks to Henry the VIII.
I wouldn’t say Protestants know their Bible well, they just have a collection of verses they use to support whatever belief they’ve derived. Most, in my experience, don’t really know Christian theology or history at all.
Since 1983 in Texas, in the Bible belt, I avoided announcing that I was a devout Catholic because I I worked in sales. Bible belt Christians were sure Catholics are going to Hell with the devil. They are not afraid to Save the Catholics from Mary worship, the Pope, and the sacrifice of the Mass. Catholic Apologetics has been a friend saver magazine.
I live in Texas too, and I'm more open about being Catholic with strangers who are protestant. They won't come out and say I'm going to hell like they will with my dad, but once they realize I somewhat know the bible it's usually a series of protestant apologetics disguised as a conversation about Mere Christianity.
@AndrewMcBride-p5n The Roman Catholic Church preserved the Holy Bible in writing for your Protestant Church. You are the fallen away Christian. You do not have the True Presence of Christ Jesus because you have no Mass. Jesus IS AB blood type. Jesus is Alive!
The word Catholic means Universal…so, a true expression of Catholicism is Ecumenical…whereas, Protestantism tends to be Evangelical and more dogmatic in their doctrines…
@@UndercoverSpaz it’s changed between Matt Fradd and Pints with Aquinas before. I feel like Matt Fradd is a more recognizable name than Pints with Aquinas, so maybe that’s the reason for the change.
I Remember seeing the debates between Dr. Walter Martin and Fr. Mitch Pacwa a Jesuit Priest. Both stood for truth a few years ago Walter Martin’s daughter wrote a semi biography of his life and ministry and she mentions the relationship between and Fr. Pacwa she wrote before they will go on the to debate and talk about their agreements and disagreements would meet in a room talk and pray that truth would be spoken though them both they Loved each other.
I'm really having difficulty with this - what Gavin describes as "we're fellow Christians... but our differences matter." I'm not certain a "middle space" is the place to aim for. I find so many things discussed on different axes, not a single continuum, it makes "middle" kinda a misnomer. There's not a middle in the frameworks that provide a starting point for reconciling concepts or dogmas. The fact that we're brothers but also that the differences are occasionally spectacular for this reason is hard. It makes efforts even like this snippet conversation really meaningful to me and appreciated.
We are not brothers the Bible says those who preach another Gospel than what Paul had preached they are accursed of God. The Catholic Church preaches another Gospel
@@AndrewMcBride-p5n I can certainly find plenty who obfuscate rather entirely the gospel while affirming the gospel out of conformity with the church. But Catholic theology also holds to Christ alone as the mediator and redeemer in salvation. It's just so often hidden, and that's truly problematic if the evangelistic instinct and people needing to come to faith as little children are right. And they are.
@@AndrewKendall71 you pray to Mary when she does not hear you or have the power and authority from God to answer. It is Jesus Christ alone which intercedes for us before the right hand of the throne of God
@@AndrewMcBride-p5n Um, I'm Protestant (not that I like flying any flag but Christ). And It IS Christ who alone has the authority to intercede before the Father. Yet, people are invited to do so all the time in church, and among believing friends. And we know saints in glory are praying for us and for the world - the Bible tells us so. Now, whether we need to ask them to do so or not (since they're perfect in glory, perfectly employed in the tasks God has for them), or whether they could hear us asking is another thing entirely that the Catholic church only has "we say so" as evidence for.
@AndrewKendall71 They pray to Mary and ask her to tell Jesus when the Bible says there is One God and One Mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. None of the disciples or Jesus ever prayed to anyone other than God
I heard Gavin is the son of Pastor Ray Ortlund, who came out in support of Kamala Harris. If so, I would like to know his thoughts on it and if Christians can support someone with such a radical abortion view.
I always find it funny how easily it is to defend the Catholic position scripturally and Protestants always have to do mental gymnastics to make their position make sense (especially to someone who doesn’t know scripture).
Apologetics have done much damage because they distract from the central and essential truth of Jesus as Savior. The faith is thus relegated to soloed individual truths, admittedly not without meaning, and humans can’t seem to hold on to the Jesus, as Savior, who we must know intimately at the time of judgment. 😢
@@lowcarblynn love of God entails a desire to understand how he is and what he teaches . Being able to present the faith in a convincing way to skeptics is truly a good thing, bc we are all called to evangelize.
@ We are absolutely all called to evangelize. I agree 💯💯💯!!! The reason the Church is shrinking is because we not evangelizing like Jesus did. He’s the model, the way maker. I recommend reading… Wounded Witness: Reclaiming the Church's Unity in a Time of Crisis
Channel: Patristic Pillars refuting Gavin Ortlund Gavin Ortlund is very dishonest. Over and over again in his own PowerPoint presentations. It literally makes no sense to be so dishonest.
Gavin seems like a decent guy, and it seems like he is engaging us (Catholics) in reasonably good faith. That said, I disagree with his assertion about being in the "trickiest" space between Prots and Catholics being a good/healthy thing. The split was never as Jesus intended (John 17), and history has demonstrated that the only way to preserve a unified Body of Christ is by way of a Pope as our leader under the protection of the Holy Spirit when settling disputes over dogma.
It was papal overreach that caused both 1054 and 1522. I am not Orthodox, but in terms of governance they have the most authentic expression of how the Church should function.
@@clivejungle6999Even orthodoxy don’t know which canon and have disagreements over simple issues like contraception. This is of course no offense to my orthodox brothers as they have beautiful liturgies but the internal problems they have is quite well known in orthodox own communities.
@AndrewMcBride-p5n You (personally) don't lead anyone to the truth. Church authority comes from the same root word as author, meaning to grow or cultivate. Our Pope is just as important to the Body of Christ as our biological father to our nuclear family. Having a Pope isn't a curse. It is a blessing. And for those who dare to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit when He is the One who gave us the Pope... is it really worth the risk? What if you are wrong?
@clivejungle6999 nah, the fruits of their manmade polity is why they have so many problems amongst themselves. Without a Pope, egos do what they will: create contention and discord.
lol, I just watched an evangelical video where they talked about Catholics they way these guys talk of evangelicals. All God’s think they’re right and everyone else is wrong. Seems he has failed to clearly make himself known. 😝
Ortlund is evangelical - he's a "Reformed Baptist", he's just generalizing about what he's seen in apologetics dialogue. They are seeking common ground.
anti-Catholic has a more historical connotation that stems from persecution against Catholics specifically for being Catholic as opposed to some theological disagreement. Especially in America. So although Gavin's content often critiques Roman Catholic theology, I think calling it anti-Catholic is wrong. Especially since he is always charitable to Catholics themselves. He just disagrees theologically.
If this is Matts newest ploy to get more views of his podcasts, just releasing small portions of a stream at a time, then I'm done!! Very frustrating!!
Sam Shamoun is always looking for serious Catholics. He's been the only Bible study that actually reaches me. His channel name is Shamounian if you're interested. I probably sound like a spammer lol.
Man, I've tried to like Gavin because I really think he's a nice guy, but then I listen to him and am like, this man isn't stupid, he's dishonest, and then I can't like him. Because he knows that defending Protestantism is untenable, but he will twist and spin history to defend the indefensible. Some of these other Protestants I can see that they're really lost in the weeds and not aware of how wrong their believes are, but I can't say the same with Gavin. He knows Protestantism is wrong but he will defend it as if it is somehow can be equal or better than the divinely instituted church.
I agree. He’s engaged me on his channel before and deletes truthful responses. I suspect he knows are true and will lead his flock to the church. He only wishes to draw viewership to himself.
@@TheCoachsCoach933 That's just not correct, in my experience. I've seen many, many posts from Catholics arguing in support of Catholic theology on Gavin's channel.
@@grizzly_8917 Are you 100% sure? Because there are many pro-icon comments up on that video. I know I've experienced issues with RUclips seeming to post (but not really post) my comments before--are you certain that's not what happened? Because I don't know why he would necessarily delete your comment and leave all those others up.
I appreciate the shout out! Thanks guys.
The Amish are actually the correct ones. Unfortunately since they forgo electricity, they can't get online to tell us.
Highly underrated joke
Praying for them…
The current Pope is Blessing Gay Marriage while leading Catholics to a deeper relationship with Allah.
So, at least he is a well balanced socialist.
@@SeaJay_Oceansdude just stooppppp with the calumny
@@SeaJay_Oceans You know Allah is simply the arab word for God? Christians in Arabia have called God in their native language Allah from way before Mohammed was born.
Gavin’s openness and friendliness makes him a wonderful representative of Protestantism.
Jordan and Gavin are my two favorite Protestants as a Catholic, they have grace and gentleness and present a good offense and defense for their side. May God bless them both!
Gavin delights in drawing souls out of the Catholic Church. His commenters cheer him on.
@fantasia55 have grace with Protestants. While I understand the urgency. To maintain a disposition of spite or strife will not help the overall cause of bringing people home. Give credit where it’s due, and pray your rosary DAILY
@@betterhappensdaily praying to Mary does not get any answers because only Jesus Christ has the power and authority to hear and answer prayer because He is God
Love the Jordan Cooper shout out! He seems to me the most switched on among the Protestant youtubers to what actually divides Catholics and Protestants
@@SamuelHaak got a lot of respect for Dr. Jordan Cooper!
Nearly everything divides Catholic and Protestants ie purgatory, prayers for the dead, praying to Mary, last rites, the mass, the pope, confessing sin to a priest, the sacraments saying they can save.
I agree about Jordan Cooper’s channel being very good for a classical protestant perspective. Also the “Anglican aesthetics“ channel is really good in content.
Please invite an Orthodox on your show!
😇☦️🕊️
Brother Nathanael ? 😜
He had an Orthodox laywoman on about a year ago
@@SeaJay_Oceans
Ouch 🥴
I'm not sure if they would come?
@SeaJay_Oceans ohh Lord please let it be let it beee
“I don’t like the word anti-Catholic because I wouldn’t say anti-protestant if a Catholic thought what you were saying was wrong “
People both sides, could learn a lot in this
Anti-Catholic has a very different meaning than anti-protestant! And that is historical in this country of America. And England too thanks to Henry the VIII.
I wouldn’t say Protestants know their Bible well, they just have a collection of verses they use to support whatever belief they’ve derived. Most, in my experience, don’t really know Christian theology or history at all.
I would say the same about Catholics.
How about purgatory I know that is not in the Bible
You guys keep it civil...until one side or the other gets control of Government and total power. Then things get bloody.
Disgusting
Since 1983 in Texas, in the Bible belt, I avoided announcing that I was a devout Catholic because I I worked in sales. Bible belt Christians were sure Catholics are going to Hell with the devil. They are not afraid to Save the Catholics from Mary worship, the Pope, and the sacrifice of the Mass. Catholic Apologetics has been a friend saver magazine.
I live in Texas too, and I'm more open about being Catholic with strangers who are protestant. They won't come out and say I'm going to hell like they will with my dad, but once they realize I somewhat know the bible it's usually a series of protestant apologetics disguised as a conversation about Mere Christianity.
Well they are right the sacrifice of the mass is blasphemeous
@AndrewMcBride-p5n The Roman Catholic Church preserved the Holy Bible in writing for your Protestant Church. You are the fallen away Christian. You do not have the True Presence of Christ Jesus because you have no Mass. Jesus IS AB blood type. Jesus is Alive!
Cannot wait for Becket Cook (a former Catholic) to come and sit and talk to Matt in this channel
I experienced anti-Catholic from my Protestant family and acquaintances at least since 1970. My family has ‘accepted’ me since at least I’m Christian.
Well you are not Christian according to the Bible. A Christian is someone who follows and obeys Jesus Christ, the Catholic Church does not do that
@ good to know, thanks for the information
@@AndrewMcBride-p5n bro catholics are christians
The word Catholic means Universal…so, a true expression of Catholicism is Ecumenical…whereas, Protestantism tends to be Evangelical and more dogmatic in their doctrines…
Really love that it's completely up to humans to figure this out. What could go wrong? And i'm a Christian.
All us Christians really have to UNITE! We have a world turning away from God that desperately needs our help. We all need to be more like Elijah!
I rather join apostolic churches than be in churches that were created by men who were alive 1,500 years after Christ.
Gavin love you
So is PWA moving towards generic Christian content with the name change?
@@UndercoverSpaz it’s changed between Matt Fradd and Pints with Aquinas before. I feel like Matt Fradd is a more recognizable name than Pints with Aquinas, so maybe that’s the reason for the change.
I Remember seeing the debates between Dr. Walter Martin and Fr. Mitch Pacwa a Jesuit Priest. Both stood for truth a few years ago Walter Martin’s daughter wrote a semi biography of his life and ministry and she mentions the relationship between and Fr. Pacwa she wrote before they will go on the to debate and talk about their agreements and disagreements would meet in a room talk and pray that truth would be spoken though them both they Loved each other.
He really did my boy Zoomer dirty by not mentioning him.
I'm really having difficulty with this - what Gavin describes as "we're fellow Christians... but our differences matter." I'm not certain a "middle space" is the place to aim for. I find so many things discussed on different axes, not a single continuum, it makes "middle" kinda a misnomer. There's not a middle in the frameworks that provide a starting point for reconciling concepts or dogmas. The fact that we're brothers but also that the differences are occasionally spectacular for this reason is hard. It makes efforts even like this snippet conversation really meaningful to me and appreciated.
We are not brothers the Bible says those who preach another Gospel than what Paul had preached they are accursed of God. The Catholic Church preaches another Gospel
@@AndrewMcBride-p5n I can certainly find plenty who obfuscate rather entirely the gospel while affirming the gospel out of conformity with the church. But Catholic theology also holds to Christ alone as the mediator and redeemer in salvation. It's just so often hidden, and that's truly problematic if the evangelistic instinct and people needing to come to faith as little children are right. And they are.
@@AndrewKendall71 you pray to Mary when she does not hear you or have the power and authority from God to answer. It is Jesus Christ alone which intercedes for us before the right hand of the throne of God
@@AndrewMcBride-p5n Um, I'm Protestant (not that I like flying any flag but Christ). And It IS Christ who alone has the authority to intercede before the Father. Yet, people are invited to do so all the time in church, and among believing friends. And we know saints in glory are praying for us and for the world - the Bible tells us so. Now, whether we need to ask them to do so or not (since they're perfect in glory, perfectly employed in the tasks God has for them), or whether they could hear us asking is another thing entirely that the Catholic church only has "we say so" as evidence for.
@AndrewKendall71 They pray to Mary and ask her to tell Jesus when the Bible says there is One God and One Mediator between God and men the man Christ Jesus. None of the disciples or Jesus ever prayed to anyone other than God
Why did I think one of those bearded dudes in the background was Critical Drinker? 😅
It was Karl Keating and his having started Catholic Answers
I heard Gavin is the son of Pastor Ray Ortlund, who came out in support of Kamala Harris. If so, I would like to know his thoughts on it and if Christians can support someone with such a radical abortion view.
Is no national bans and allowing for more than six weeks a radical abortion view?
@@mashah1085 I'm not a fan of the original comment, but you are being dishonest with your comment.
@@mashah1085 It is for a christian from a moral standpoint. abortion is murdering a child of god.
@@mashah1085 how much more than 6 weeks ?
Does this mean Gavin also does? Do you agree with your father on every political issue? This feels super irrelevant to me.
Novus Ordites looovvee them some Gavin Ortlund.
I always find it funny how easily it is to defend the Catholic position scripturally and Protestants always have to do mental gymnastics to make their position make sense (especially to someone who doesn’t know scripture).
Apologetics have done much damage because they distract from the central and essential truth of Jesus as Savior. The faith is thus relegated to soloed individual truths, admittedly not without meaning, and humans can’t seem to hold on to the Jesus, as Savior, who we must know intimately at the time of judgment. 😢
@@lowcarblynn love of God entails a desire to understand how he is and what he teaches . Being able to present the faith in a convincing way to skeptics is truly a good thing, bc we are all called to evangelize.
@ We are absolutely all called to evangelize. I agree 💯💯💯!!! The reason the Church is shrinking is because we not evangelizing like Jesus did. He’s the model, the way maker. I recommend reading…
Wounded Witness: Reclaiming the Church's Unity in a Time of Crisis
Channel:
Patristic Pillars refuting Gavin Ortlund
Gavin Ortlund is very dishonest.
Over and over again in his own PowerPoint presentations.
It literally makes no sense to be so dishonest.
Gavin seems like a decent guy, and it seems like he is engaging us (Catholics) in reasonably good faith. That said, I disagree with his assertion about being in the "trickiest" space between Prots and Catholics being a good/healthy thing. The split was never as Jesus intended (John 17), and history has demonstrated that the only way to preserve a unified Body of Christ is by way of a Pope as our leader under the protection of the Holy Spirit when settling disputes over dogma.
It was papal overreach that caused both 1054 and 1522. I am not Orthodox, but in terms of governance they have the most authentic expression of how the Church should function.
@@clivejungle6999Even orthodoxy don’t know which canon and have disagreements over simple issues like contraception.
This is of course no offense to my orthodox brothers as they have beautiful liturgies but the internal problems they have is quite well known in orthodox own communities.
Only the Holy Spirit of God leads us into all truth not popes who are human and sinful
@AndrewMcBride-p5n You (personally) don't lead anyone to the truth. Church authority comes from the same root word as author, meaning to grow or cultivate. Our Pope is just as important to the Body of Christ as our biological father to our nuclear family. Having a Pope isn't a curse. It is a blessing. And for those who dare to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit when He is the One who gave us the Pope... is it really worth the risk? What if you are wrong?
@clivejungle6999 nah, the fruits of their manmade polity is why they have so many problems amongst themselves. Without a Pope, egos do what they will: create contention and discord.
lol, I just watched an evangelical video where they talked about Catholics they way these guys talk of evangelicals. All God’s think they’re right and everyone else is wrong. Seems he has failed to clearly make himself known. 😝
Ortlund is evangelical - he's a "Reformed Baptist", he's just generalizing about what he's seen in apologetics dialogue. They are seeking common ground.
I don’t see why it’s a problem to say that Dr. Ortlund’s content is “anti-Catholic”; clearly much of it is just that.
anti-Catholic has a more historical connotation that stems from persecution against Catholics specifically for being Catholic as opposed to some theological disagreement. Especially in America. So although Gavin's content often critiques Roman Catholic theology, I think calling it anti-Catholic is wrong. Especially since he is always charitable to Catholics themselves. He just disagrees theologically.
If this is Matts newest ploy to get more views of his podcasts, just releasing small portions of a stream at a time, then I'm done!! Very frustrating!!
Sam Shamoun is always looking for serious Catholics. He's been the only Bible study that actually reaches me. His channel name is Shamounian if you're interested. I probably sound like a spammer lol.
@HOLDFASTHOUND Thanks, I'll give it a look!
Man, I've tried to like Gavin because I really think he's a nice guy, but then I listen to him and am like, this man isn't stupid, he's dishonest, and then I can't like him. Because he knows that defending Protestantism is untenable, but he will twist and spin history to defend the indefensible. Some of these other Protestants I can see that they're really lost in the weeds and not aware of how wrong their believes are, but I can't say the same with Gavin. He knows Protestantism is wrong but he will defend it as if it is somehow can be equal or better than the divinely instituted church.
That's a ridiculous psychoanalytic argument.
I agree. He’s engaged me on his channel before and deletes truthful responses. I suspect he knows are true and will lead his flock to the church. He only wishes to draw viewership to himself.
@@TheCoachsCoach933 That's just not correct, in my experience. I've seen many, many posts from Catholics arguing in support of Catholic theology on Gavin's channel.
@toddthacker8258 he's nuked comments before. It's happened to me. Especially on his iconoclast video.
@@grizzly_8917 Are you 100% sure? Because there are many pro-icon comments up on that video. I know I've experienced issues with RUclips seeming to post (but not really post) my comments before--are you certain that's not what happened? Because I don't know why he would necessarily delete your comment and leave all those others up.
Poor Gav 😂