Shoot I switched "compressed" and "uncompressed" at 0:07 my bad! I'll also clarify what I meant: By "compressed" I tightened the screws with a moderate-firm and comfortable tension until they resisted enough to stop turning, rather than screwing them in very lightly just until they stopped turning with that amount of force (hence "uncrompressed".) Most of these configurations were also done easily thanks to longer screws which I got from Amazon: www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07FDLN8C3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Edit: I'd also say this vid is a little outdated since I didn't have silicone or kilmat at the time. I do have silicone now and I'll be looking to get some kilmat soon!
@VR abyss sorry I missed your comment! I've found that compression doesn't affect deepness of sound but generally it seems that keeping material uncompressed results in the most effective dampening of unwanted pinging, hollowness, etc. I've also updated my explanation above to make things more clear if you're still wondering after these 6 months aha
I heard everything from the sounds of tap dancing to the gallops of horses and then a babbling brook. Rain drops from the rooftop and the sensation of popping bubblewrap. Well done indeed. 👏
@@obamalastname34 honestly depends on the sound you’re trying to get. If you want deep get neoprene, but what I recommend now is poly fil for the cleanest sound
Thank you SO much for making this video! I love my Tofu60 case but I HATE that gurgling metallic sound it makes. I'm using shelf liner right now but I have to leave it uncompressed with loose screws to avoid that awful pinging sound... I have to thank you AGAIN too because you actually linked to the Sorbothane (the best option IMO) you purchased!! Going to buy it now!
Neoprene was the best I even liked it more then packing foam as it adds to much of that thock sometimes imo the 1 layer of neoprene was all that was needed lol 2 layers was amazing though haha I like hearing the switch still haha
That is a sick looking keyboard. Those keycaps are so minty fresh looking, is the best way I can describe them. I love a unique keyboard and seriously appreciate your effort on this video. I have no doubt it took a lot of work and patience to put together. It will most definitely help me in determining which route to go for insulating my own keyboard 😀
@@markkat6069 Yes indeed. I picked sorbothane and am very impressed. Gonna be uploading an updated building video and sound test of mine when soon. Always nice to see people who share a similar passion.
That's what I did with mine, used some of the foam that came in the box just had to trim it down a little bit in terms of thickness. Added a considerable amount of thock and removed basically all of the echo.
@@greenanime8359 I switched to PE foam between the PCB and plate, and cut up an old pair of shorts for the internal dampening. Sounds like I’m typing on bubble wrap and I love it
Sorbothane is perfect for silent keyboards. A tofu with lubed sakurios on sorbothane becomes nearly inaudible. From my experience, louder switches become more high pitched with it, as in spring noise heavy, which is why some people don't like it. But sorbothane really starts to outclass everything on deep thoccers like topres, especially for office keyboards.
This is a very nice comparison. Sorbothane is already quite thin, so i'm not understanding what you mean with "compressed" and "uncompressed". Like literally pressing it down or what?
Ergo, sound dampening depends more on the material the keyboard is made of than the material you use to stop the sound from bouncing back. I would guess carbon fiber is better than aluminum and the compactness of the keyboard plays a big role as well. have you ever tried a thin sheet of cloth on top of the plate with holes for each switch? or maybe o top of the pcb if you are going plateless
Yeah it's a lot to get in one video so considering aluminum is like the most in need of dampening (specifically the tofu60 and imo!) I used it in this experiment as a general way to gauge and isolate the different effects of dampening materials, if any. I could put together like a playlist using the same switches to cover the 5 case dampeners I used here with each combination of case and plate that I have, but that really would be a lot of videos lol. If anything, by considering the differences of sound shown in this video, you could mentally determine how you want to alter a certain keyboard's sound and pick its dampening material accordingly. Interesting suggestion with the cloth though, I'll be sure the check that out. Sorry for replying 2 months later!
I'm confused with what the compressed and uncompressed mean. So those compressed just mean that you pushed the pcb down just enough to fit in and screw. While the uncompressed means that you can just easily screw the pcb back in place?
I think it means that, because he tested multiple types of screws, so the small screws where probably used on the uncompressed tests, and the large ones when there were more layers
oh I kinda just push down the top left area of the keyboard to align the type c port (when required) and tighten the screw there then I tighten every other screw from that point
Which foam would u say dampened the sound the most? I’ve done many mods to my keyboard and nothing’s seems to dampen the sound at all. I’ve done the tape mod, o rings, and foam. Nothing works. And I’ve used different foams. I have box jades and I want it to be audible but quiet. I want to hear it from my room not my living room or all the way across the house. Also living is not an option for me
I see I see lol I think either poured silicone or sorbothane work the best for dampening sound. IIRC sorbothane is slightly better but they're both really close. Unless you meant packaging foam then I'm not sure since I haven't compared different foams
Yeah recently I've opted to stop using it since it does take a lot of force to install and it does flex the board. My gk64 pcb also has a few dead keys in the center now so ot could've been a factor D: I've found that 4 layers of shelf liner performs better, takes up less space and costs like $10 for a lot!
@@artif1ce135 I think it comparison shelf liner should dampen case hollowness and pinging significantly better, and while it might be a little less thocky than neoprene it's still thockier than sorbothane or silicone.
Sorry for replying 2 weeks later! I think it should be fine since rubber shouldn't be conductive, but in case it might stain or even damage the board/if you're worried in general you could cut out a piece of paper to place between the pcb and the neoprene sheet - that should keep it safe regardless and I don't think the paper will mess with the acoustics considering it's used with sorbothane similar reasons.
What did you prefer the most? To me uncompressed sorbothane sounded best because it got rid of the case pinging and still preserved the switch sound unlike compressed version.
Sorry it's been 7 months! Personally I really like 2 layered neoprene and 6 layers of compressed shelf liner because while they don't eliminate the case ping they dramatically lower it and add hella thock, but I can still get behind sorbothane especially if the switches sound more innately thocky.
Sorry I haven't replied until now :( in this vid I think I like 2 layers of neoprene since it does a great job of dampening the hollowness of the aluminum and adds a sophisticated thock. 6 layers of liner is also great but it's really scary to set up lmao. I do want to note that the other materials might achieve the same effect depending on the case material and with different switches, and that the best sound profile is the one you like the most (though I think having the opinions of others helps you shape your own)! Edit: I might be silicone sorbothane gang since they successfully get rid of aluminum pinging while preserving the sound of the switches 😳
Hey sorry for the late reply, I haven't tested this as I only have the one thickness in the vid atm but I imagine the results would be the same as long as there's no space in between multiple layers. I would also expect it to be harder to obtain a thicker piece but if you find any you might as well go for it
Sorry I was referring to how tight I made the screws with compressed meaning I tightened until the usb port was aligned properly vs barely in position Also sorry for replying a month later
I have to ask... how many screws are holding the GK64 to the Tofu case. I d believe they have a different screw layout.. right? I have the GK64 but I'd love to change the case to something alu... I did not know there would be enough matching screws to hold the PCB to the case firmly.
Oh okay so the GK64 PCB itself (mine is the GK64X) has the standard layout screw-holes but they're covered by the plate, so you'd have to do one of the following: 1. Drill holes for the layout into the plate 2. Purchase a new plate with the proper screw-holes 3. Go plate-less maybe temporarily (5-pin switches are stable enough to do this, however 3-pin switches I find have only a little more wobble are are completely viable.) A few pieces of advice: - I realized through purchasing plates of different materials all but one of them did NOT have the screw-holes to be attached to the GK64 PCB which you may be used to (I think this is unique to this specific keyboard however.) This screw-less plate setup is also known as a tray mount, and you can look into different mount styles here: thomasbaart.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/20190407_KeyboardMountingStylesCheatSheet.png - The switch holes of a couple plates I ordered off Aliexpress were made pretty badly and I had to order a power tool to get them big enough for my switches, however KBDfans has the widest selection I've found of perfectly-made products-they're worth the cost but if that's too much you can still go for the highest rated aluminum plate on aliexpress since the disproportionate plates were carbon fiber and stainless steel - The plate that DID have screw-holes for the PCB is the aluminum fiber glass plate (NOT V2) from KPRepublic which is basically a better version of the GK64 stock plate: kprepublic.com/products/60-aluminum-glass-fiber-plate-with-plate-mounted-stabilizerfor-gk64-gk64s-xd64-xd60 - The GK64 PCB is a little harder to get out of its case as you need to use some force to accomplish this; you'll have to like pull the plate up from the bottom corners first so you can pull the entire thing loose away from where the type-c connector is sticking in to the case
Interesting. I'll probably go with uncompressed sorbothane just because I do prefer a more silent keyboard experience, but you gotta admit that the two layers of neoprene really makes your board sound thocky. Loud, but thocky nontheless:D
Shoot I switched "compressed" and "uncompressed" at 0:07 my bad! I'll also clarify what I meant:
By "compressed" I tightened the screws with a moderate-firm and comfortable tension until they resisted enough to stop turning, rather than screwing them in very lightly just until they stopped turning with that amount of force (hence "uncrompressed".) Most of these configurations were also done easily thanks to longer screws which I got from Amazon: www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07FDLN8C3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Edit: I'd also say this vid is a little outdated since I didn't have silicone or kilmat at the time. I do have silicone now and I'll be looking to get some kilmat soon!
@VR abyss sorry I missed your comment! I've found that compression doesn't affect deepness of sound but generally it seems that keeping material uncompressed results in the most effective dampening of unwanted pinging, hollowness, etc.
I've also updated my explanation above to make things more clear if you're still wondering after these 6 months aha
I heard everything from the sounds of tap dancing to the gallops of horses and then a babbling brook. Rain drops from the rooftop and the sensation of popping bubblewrap. Well done indeed. 👏
That two layer NEOPRENE! 👀😍
This.
@@token112 Damn happy I just ordered some neoprene I’m definitely gonna be doubling it up
Just ordered neoprene my hopefully it sounds good
Damn what should i choose neoprene or poron for case mod
@@obamalastname34 honestly depends on the sound you’re trying to get. If you want deep get neoprene, but what I recommend now is poly fil for the cleanest sound
I saw a cat, I saw a super informative video, I subscribed. Just that simple. Keep up the good work!
Thanks!
Thank you SO much for making this video! I love my Tofu60 case but I HATE that gurgling metallic sound it makes. I'm using shelf liner right now but I have to leave it uncompressed with loose screws to avoid that awful pinging sound... I have to thank you AGAIN too because you actually linked to the Sorbothane (the best option IMO) you purchased!! Going to buy it now!
Glad I could help! Sorry I'm replying a month later : O
For me packing foam sounded the best, and its cheaper compare to the rubber ones.
Thanks for the great video, and appreciate your hard work putting it together. Subscribed. How did you get so good at typing?
This earned a sub
I've been needing something just like this for a long time, thank you so much
No problem, I'm happy I could help!
The most adorable part of the video 4:38 🐈😻
Neoprene was the best I even liked it more then packing foam as it adds to much of that thock sometimes imo the 1 layer of neoprene was all that was needed lol 2 layers was amazing though haha I like hearing the switch still haha
4:41 lmao, cats are too cute
Outstanding! Two layers of neoprene for me.
Your slow typing is my top speed
fax
another very informative video, appreciate the hard work!
Thanks!
The cat is just funny 😂 very informative video. Thanks 🙏
SUBBED!
Double neo is the cake for me, found this video as I am about to re-solder and foam up my KBs.
That is a sick looking keyboard. Those keycaps are so minty fresh looking, is the best way I can describe them. I love a unique keyboard and seriously appreciate your effort on this video. I have no doubt it took a lot of work and patience to put together. It will most definitely help me in determining which route to go for insulating my own keyboard 😀
Glad you liked it!
@@markkat6069 Yes indeed. I picked sorbothane and am very impressed. Gonna be uploading an updated building video and sound test of mine when soon. Always nice to see people who share a similar passion.
@@JamesChamberlainGamingNVlogs I'll check it out!
Insane video man nothing like it on the internet
Very nice, appreciate the comparison. I now know that I'm a Sorobothane kind of guy, and that uncompressed is never to my taste.
Didn't know you could layer that much shelf liner LMAO
sorbothane is the money for sure. natural
sheeeeeeeeeeeesh ive been using some cut up flat foam mop
lmaoo nice how is it?
@@markkat6069 idk, better than nothing ig , nothing to compare it to but it seems to be doing good:)
Ya know packaging foam doesnt sound too bad
That's what I did with mine, used some of the foam that came in the box just had to trim it down a little bit in terms of thickness. Added a considerable amount of thock and removed basically all of the echo.
@@_alreph I did the same thing lol. Now I’m looking for something possibly better
@@greenanime8359 I switched to PE foam between the PCB and plate, and cut up an old pair of shorts for the internal dampening. Sounds like I’m typing on bubble wrap and I love it
@@_alreph sounds awesome man. I’m probs just gonna buy some foam tape
@@greenanime8359 i’ve heard foam tape works really well, i want some for the underside of my PCB
Wow great video! Cute cat 😊
Sorbothane is by far the best sounding
in your opinion. by far the worst in mine.
Sorbothane is perfect for silent keyboards. A tofu with lubed sakurios on sorbothane becomes nearly inaudible. From my experience, louder switches become more high pitched with it, as in spring noise heavy, which is why some people don't like it. But sorbothane really starts to outclass everything on deep thoccers like topres, especially for office keyboards.
Amazing video!!
This is a very nice comparison. Sorbothane is already quite thin, so i'm not understanding what you mean with "compressed" and "uncompressed". Like literally pressing it down or what?
Ergo, sound dampening depends more on the material the keyboard is made of than the material you use to stop the sound from bouncing back. I would guess carbon fiber is better than aluminum and the compactness of the keyboard plays a big role as well.
have you ever tried a thin sheet of cloth on top of the plate with holes for each switch? or maybe o top of the pcb if you are going plateless
Yeah it's a lot to get in one video so considering aluminum is like the most in need of dampening (specifically the tofu60 and imo!) I used it in this experiment as a general way to gauge and isolate the different effects of dampening materials, if any. I could put together like a playlist using the same switches to cover the 5 case dampeners I used here with each combination of case and plate that I have, but that really would be a lot of videos lol. If anything, by considering the differences of sound shown in this video, you could mentally determine how you want to alter a certain keyboard's sound and pick its dampening material accordingly.
Interesting suggestion with the cloth though, I'll be sure the check that out. Sorry for replying 2 months later!
It's definitely both in my opinion. Different material combinations of different case material and different foams will all yield different sounds.
is the packaging foam some type of styrofoam or is it like pe foam?
how thick is the neoprene?
I want keyboards ;( I love this!!!!
I'm confused with what the compressed and uncompressed mean. So those compressed just mean that you pushed the pcb down just enough to fit in and screw. While the uncompressed means that you can just easily screw the pcb back in place?
I think it means that, because he tested multiple types of screws, so the small screws where probably used on the uncompressed tests, and the large ones when there were more layers
Awesome video, thank you for the in depth comparison!! What is your preferred method of compressing these sound dampening materials?
oh I kinda just push down the top left area of the keyboard to align the type c port (when required) and tighten the screw there then I tighten every other screw from that point
@@markkat6069 thank you for the reply!! Appreciate it and look forward to future uploads
Are these all case dampening or is this between the pcb and plate?
Which foam would u say dampened the sound the most? I’ve done many mods to my keyboard and nothing’s seems to dampen the sound at all. I’ve done the tape mod, o rings, and foam. Nothing works. And I’ve used different foams. I have box jades and I want it to be audible but quiet. I want to hear it from my room not my living room or all the way across the house. Also living is not an option for me
I see I see lol
I think either poured silicone or sorbothane work the best for dampening sound. IIRC sorbothane is slightly better but they're both really close.
Unless you meant packaging foam then I'm not sure since I haven't compared different foams
@@markkat6069 thank u so much I’ll look into it
What a good video!!!
your cat wants to help :3
Very good video!
hello I was wondering if I can damage my PCB(DZ60 ansi v2 hotswap) with the 2 layer neoprene foam ( 3mm each) on the tofu 60.
Yeah recently I've opted to stop using it since it does take a lot of force to install and it does flex the board. My gk64 pcb also has a few dead keys in the center now so ot could've been a factor D:
I've found that 4 layers of shelf liner performs better, takes up less space and costs like $10 for a lot!
@@markkat6069 does it have a similar sound?
@@artif1ce135 I think it comparison shelf liner should dampen case hollowness and pinging significantly better, and while it might be a little less thocky than neoprene it's still thockier than sorbothane or silicone.
hello this is abit late but what do you mean when you say you compress, what did you do to get the foam to remain compressed?
Maybe a stupid question but may i know what does compressed means here?
Hi sorry I elaborated a while back but it looks like I never pinned my comment lol it should be pinned now sorry
@@markkat6069 oh not a big deal my friend, now i know what's the difference. Keep up the good work!!!
Does your keyboard in this video have any other mods such as tape around the pcb or lubed switches?
I wanna ask if i use the neoprene rubber sheet not the neoprene foam one, is it ok? Thanks
Sorry for replying 2 weeks later! I think it should be fine since rubber shouldn't be conductive, but in case it might stain or even damage the board/if you're worried in general you could cut out a piece of paper to place between the pcb and the neoprene sheet - that should keep it safe regardless and I don't think the paper will mess with the acoustics considering it's used with sorbothane similar reasons.
@@markkat6069 Ah ok thank you for the info 🙏
What did you prefer the most?
To me uncompressed sorbothane sounded best because it got rid of the case pinging and still preserved the switch sound unlike compressed version.
Sorry it's been 7 months! Personally I really like 2 layered neoprene and 6 layers of compressed shelf liner because while they don't eliminate the case ping they dramatically lower it and add hella thock, but I can still get behind sorbothane especially if the switches sound more innately thocky.
Damn Those are some nice keycaps can you tell me how to get those? Much appreciated! Love this video btw
Thanks! I linked where I bought them in the description but here it is as well 1upkeyboards.com/shop/keycaps/keysets/pom/pom-green-keyset/
@@markkat6069 Thanks so much!
what does uncompressed and compressed mean??
Sorry it's been 2 weeks 😩 I stuck a description at the 0:07 mark my bad
anyone tried using yoga mat? does it sound good?
What was the best configuration according to you?🥺 Nice vid bro❤
Sorry I haven't replied until now :( in this vid I think I like 2 layers of neoprene since it does a great job of dampening the hollowness of the aluminum and adds a sophisticated thock. 6 layers of liner is also great but it's really scary to set up lmao. I do want to note that the other materials might achieve the same effect depending on the case material and with different switches, and that the best sound profile is the one you like the most (though I think having the opinions of others helps you shape your own)!
Edit: I might be silicone sorbothane gang since they successfully get rid of aluminum pinging while preserving the sound of the switches 😳
Do you recommend compressing multiple thin neoprene layers, or having just one thicker neoprene layer?
Hey sorry for the late reply, I haven't tested this as I only have the one thickness in the vid atm but I imagine the results would be the same as long as there's no space in between multiple layers. I would also expect it to be harder to obtain a thicker piece but if you find any you might as well go for it
@@markkat6069 Can I ask how you compress the neoprene? I’d love to do this
what about silicone?
Sorry it's been 7 months :( my bad I didnt have any silicone at the time (or now either unfortunately)
@@markkat6069 lol
How do you compress the neoprene ?
Hi sorry for the confusion and insanely late reply but I basically just tightened the screws of the board until the usb port was centered
Yo thanks so much. What do you mean when you say conpressed and uncompressed
Sorry I was referring to how tight I made the screws with compressed meaning I tightened until the usb port was aligned properly vs barely in position
Also sorry for replying a month later
@@markkat6069 no worries
switches and keys pls?
Did the two layer neoprene mute the tofu by a large amount or was it not as noticeable?
From what I hear I would say the second layer cuts the hollowness of the tofu and adds a lot of thock. Sorry for replying 2 months later!
what is comrpession mean in this video
What do you mean with "compressed"?
Sorry it's been 4 months but I pinned the answer!
I need poron sound test😭
I have to ask... how many screws are holding the GK64 to the Tofu case. I d believe they have a different screw layout.. right? I have the GK64 but I'd love to change the case to something alu... I did not know there would be enough matching screws to hold the PCB to the case firmly.
Oh okay so the GK64 PCB itself (mine is the GK64X) has the standard layout screw-holes but they're covered by the plate, so you'd have to do one of the following:
1. Drill holes for the layout into the plate
2. Purchase a new plate with the proper screw-holes
3. Go plate-less maybe temporarily (5-pin switches are stable enough to do this, however 3-pin switches I find have only a little more wobble are are completely viable.)
A few pieces of advice:
- I realized through purchasing plates of different materials all but one of them did NOT have the screw-holes to be attached to the GK64 PCB which you may be used to (I think this is unique to this specific keyboard however.) This screw-less plate setup is also known as a tray mount, and you can look into different mount styles here:
thomasbaart.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/20190407_KeyboardMountingStylesCheatSheet.png
- The switch holes of a couple plates I ordered off Aliexpress were made pretty badly and I had to order a power tool to get them big enough for my switches, however KBDfans has the widest selection I've found of perfectly-made products-they're worth the cost but if that's too much you can still go for the highest rated aluminum plate on aliexpress since the disproportionate plates were carbon fiber and stainless steel
- The plate that DID have screw-holes for the PCB is the aluminum fiber glass plate (NOT V2) from KPRepublic which is basically a better version of the GK64 stock plate: kprepublic.com/products/60-aluminum-glass-fiber-plate-with-plate-mounted-stabilizerfor-gk64-gk64s-xd64-xd60
- The GK64 PCB is a little harder to get out of its case as you need to use some force to accomplish this; you'll have to like pull the plate up from the bottom corners first so you can pull the entire thing loose away from where the type-c connector is sticking in to the case
@@markkat6069 wow! kudos to your informative and thoughtful response; super helpful : D
@@TrangNguyen-hi2ws glad I could be of service!
Interesting. I'll probably go with uncompressed sorbothane just because I do prefer a more silent keyboard experience, but you gotta admit that the two layers of neoprene really makes your board sound thocky. Loud, but thocky nontheless:D
What specs do u have rn for ur keyboard besides foam?
Sorry it's been half a month! I put the specs at the beginning of the vid but there was a fade-in transition so it didn't show up right away sorry
@@markkat6069 No worries
@@markkat6069 also for the two layer compressed neoprene. Did u add extra to fill in the cutout space at the bottom. Or kept it at 2 layers regardless
Have you tried poly fil? alexotos used it to make a tofu sound suoer nice
Nope I haven't, interesting I'll see if I can get it in the future (sorry for the late reply btw)
What does compressed mean?
Sorry it's been 2 months but I pinned the answer!
what switches and plate material were used?
My bad replying a week later, I used Gateron Kangaroo Inks and an aluminum plate
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