Everyone complains about third coats but it’s not like oil based gloss over days and days. You can easily get two on in a day, perhaps three and whilst other paints may colour match they will never quite be the same as the true F&B if that’s the colour you’re set on. Bit inconvenient but I’m sure the finish will be superior to two coats of another paint and more durable being the modern eggshell (floor paint).
Well done Phill, looking good. For a cheaper kitchen you’ve now given it a modern look and good few more years. A lot cheaper than a new kitchen. Look forward to seeing the next stage in the make over. 👌
Looks very nice. Love the metameric effect you get with F&B eggshell. I painted the outside of a door with the Estate Lulworth Blue (No.89). Colour varies from blue grey to almost a sky blue, depending on the light.
How close would you say the finish on the doors are to a spray finish, it sure looks nice but hard to see on the video. Talking of the undercoat we use some black acrylic concentrate to add it to the dark grey undercoat if we feel it needs to be darker, used it recently, some components I left dark grey and you could definitely see which ones I added the black to
Hi Phil, really invaluable series showing full process, equipment and technique etc.. Thank you sir🙏. My question is, what paint system would you use to paint new/raw, MDF doors. I was thinking firstly Aqua Bin to prime them, because I've got some! But would this also serve as an u/c before 2 top coats (i.e. 3 coats total)? Or, do I use hand in glove u/c on top of the Bin, (i.e. 4 coat system)? Or perhaps 2 coats of Bin before 2 topcoats? Thanks in advance. Oh, the doors are to be white, so no potentially difficult colours to overcome. Cheers
Hi Phil. Had to repaint and respray a few kitchens in the last few months that had been painted in farrow and ball. Around the handles and in various areas had started to soften and peel due to kitchen cleaners and finger grease. It’s just not durable enough. Give Sayerlack AT99 a try with the crosslinker xa4080. Can be sprayed or rollered and is very durable and chemical resistant. Would easily cover in 2 coats, maybe even 1. It’s a proper factory kitchen finish.
Great video Phil👍. I’ve not used F&B on a kitchen yet but had a similar ‘glazing’ issue you mentioned using Tikurilla Helmi 30. I used the same application as you except everything was done with a 5mm 2FB roller. Kitchen I did was in a poor state and I had to strip everything back to bare wood and used Zinsser BIN as base primer. I noticed the glazing effect was worse with the Helmi primer going over the BIN which I found odd. I also had the same effect to a much lesser extent with the. Helmi 30 top coats. So maybe it’s not just a F&B paint issue?
@@GlennPreston66 fair play to you for doing it. From what Phil and others have said about the durability of this floor paint it’s an investment if it lasts and stays fresher for longer so hopefully your extra work pays off in the long run.
@@Liverpool1ne I don't think it's any better quality than something like Johnno's Aqua Guard or durable eggshell. And it's treble the price. In my experience, F&B colours just don't cover very well, either. Nice colour range, though...
@@GlennPreston66 must admit I am a fan of Aqua Guard even if Phil doesn’t rate it. The colours just don’t come out the same so I suppose the question is, assuming all priced for, is a three coat F&B kitchen a better overall finish to a two coat finish using another brand. And if so is it worth the premium if the labour and materials cost more. Some people will always want to say ‘it’s a Farrow and Ball kitchen’ but I think there may be more to it than that.
I did my kitchen in Tikarilla akva primer and Helmi 10 but after 3 years its marked and chipped.Recently did it in crown oil eggshell 2 coats and finish is perfect took overnight to dry but its more Durable 👍
Shwmae Phil, I bought a erbauer 600 eaps paint sprayer. I bought a greco 110 ff lp tip. Unfortunately it won't fit the erbauer. Can you or anyone of your viewers recommend a ff lp tip to fit erbauer 600 eaps? I need a ff lp tip to spray upvc windows and and doors. Diolch. Thanks Phil.
Yes it's airless. How do I find out what size tip guard I need, and where can i buy one? Sorry I don't know what you mean by, what size thread is the gun?
I possibly would have looked at Benjamin Moore Scuff X satin or Dulux Heritage Eggshell Phil. I like F&B but as you say, the undercoats can cause a bit of grinning on certain shades. I had it with studio green a few weeks ago, gladly i was spraying so it wasn't a big deal to buzz over it a 3rd time. I do generally try to get customers over to Benjamin Moore these days, although expensive it's absolutely bomb proof and always covers for 2. 👍 Edit..noticed you used the Smith & Roger Flow and Bond, did you put it into your topcoats? I used it for the first time on Friday as my Owatrol ran out and I noticed it says on the label to not use it in the topcoat. Wondered if you noticed any difference if you did? Cheers mate, Phil
You saw me use it inntye video as you watched all of it. The instructions on the back are incorrect, you can use it in top coats.. I asked Ian if Smith &Roger at the p&D show last year
@ProfessionalPainterDecorator haha yes I did watch all of it, I think I remember you adding it to the can? That's interesting that the fella said the label is incorrect, surely they need to change it then? How many decorators are leaving it out of the topcoats like I did? As we all know.....follow the instructions!
Fish eyes... Darks are a bugger imo. 3 good days - got to be £900 / 1k + mats.. Expensive - possibly - more than you thought - usually is sir.... - but not really compared to 5k for new kitchen plus fitting. (South Coast here).
Fish Eyes.. as in Sissing? where do you mean? £5k kitchen? Have you watch my Flat renovation playlist from last year..... see what a £5k kitchen actually is!!
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Fish eyes are the little rubber bumpers for the doors. 5k kitchen - are you saying that's too cheap or too expensive? I'm a joiner / caninet maker / kitchen fitter and interio finisher, so do a lot of kitchen, studies, panneled rooms etc, build or supply, fit and finish.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I'll just shut up - love your vids and apologise for any offence. None meant. Youre a lovely guy and thanks for the videos.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I will look at the whole kitchen, doors, draws, carcasses, count the doors i.e. 10 doors x £100 & depending on amount of grime and access that's the whole Kitchen price.
I think it would have to be £900 minimum. My day rate is £160 per day which is quite low for my area in Kent. Any less why bother taking the job on due to the high level of finish required and the risk reward ratio. Just stick to "normal" work instead. £900 still sounds cheap when you consider the customer is saving thousands on replacing the kitchen and having all the upheaval involved. I don`t know how it would compare price wise to the kitchen door replacement companies. So there is that to consider I guess,
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator that was my point… he said £600 for the job done. Edit: my own view is you could charge more but the reason for commenting is he gave a price for the job and you mentioned the time taken, presumably because you felt the value was too low?
Never used a dark F&B finish that didn't need 3 coats, even with their special undercoat. Bit of a rip off brand to be honest. Did you roll and tip, or just roll?
@@acropolisnow9466 so you saw me using a roller 5mm gives a spray like finish. Tipping off with waterbased is opening a can of worms.. its drying off too quick to tip off with waterbased. Who wants brush marks like that lol
Everyone complains about third coats but it’s not like oil based gloss over days and days. You can easily get two on in a day, perhaps three and whilst other paints may colour match they will never quite be the same as the true F&B if that’s the colour you’re set on. Bit inconvenient but I’m sure the finish will be superior to two coats of another paint and more durable being the modern eggshell (floor paint).
Well done Phill, looking good. For a cheaper kitchen you’ve now given it a modern look and good few more years. A lot cheaper than a new kitchen. Look forward to seeing the next stage in the make over. 👌
Absolutely Steve
Looks very nice. Love the metameric effect you get with F&B eggshell. I painted the outside of a door with the Estate Lulworth Blue (No.89). Colour varies from blue grey to almost a sky blue, depending on the light.
Lovely workmanship Phil 👍
Colourtrend satin is 45% sheen and covers in 2 for sure , always use it and never had to third coat it’s an excellent paint - love the stuff
I have a client that absolutely loves that colour. good job Phil.
Thanks, will I be seeing you soon?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator We do need to arange something very soon, i even know were i am going.
How close would you say the finish on the doors are to a spray finish, it sure looks nice but hard to see on the video. Talking of the undercoat we use some black acrylic concentrate to add it to the dark grey undercoat if we feel it needs to be darker, used it recently, some components I left dark grey and you could definitely see which ones I added the black to
Hi Phil, really invaluable series showing full process, equipment and technique etc.. Thank you sir🙏. My question is, what paint system would you use to paint new/raw, MDF doors. I was thinking firstly Aqua Bin to prime them, because I've got some! But would this also serve as an u/c before 2 top coats (i.e. 3 coats total)? Or, do I use hand in glove u/c on top of the Bin, (i.e. 4 coat system)? Or perhaps 2 coats of Bin before 2 topcoats? Thanks in advance.
Oh, the doors are to be white, so no potentially difficult colours to overcome. Cheers
What paint finish are you doing?
Mornin' Phil, Bedec aqua advanced satin.
I would of gone with Tikkurilla Everal Aqua. I appreciate why you’re using f&b though 👍
Hi Phil. Had to repaint and respray a few kitchens in the last few months that had been painted in farrow and ball. Around the handles and in various areas had started to soften and peel due to kitchen cleaners and finger grease. It’s just not durable enough. Give Sayerlack AT99 a try with the crosslinker xa4080. Can be sprayed or rollered and is very durable and chemical resistant. Would easily cover in 2 coats, maybe even 1. It’s a proper factory kitchen finish.
Were they Modern Eggshell?
Never had an issue with it.
Great video Phil👍. I’ve not used F&B on a kitchen yet but had a similar ‘glazing’ issue you mentioned using Tikurilla Helmi 30. I used the same application as you except everything was done with a 5mm 2FB roller. Kitchen I did was in a poor state and I had to strip everything back to bare wood and used Zinsser BIN as base primer. I noticed the glazing effect was worse with the Helmi primer going over the BIN which I found odd. I also had the same effect to a much lesser extent with the. Helmi 30 top coats. So maybe it’s not just a F&B paint issue?
May have been a good idea to put some blue stain in the undercoat.
Great content, can you do a close up of finish please and can you do a vid on how to stop picture framing with farrow and ball dark colours thanks
Recently did a large kitchen in Stiffkey Blue using F&B products. Took multiple coats. You can imagine how overjoyed I was...
Were you impressed with the end result though…
@Liverpool1ne Yeah, it looked great. But the extra work was a pain. Working kitchen, doors off, doors on etc..
@@GlennPreston66 fair play to you for doing it. From what Phil and others have said about the durability of this floor paint it’s an investment if it lasts and stays fresher for longer so hopefully your extra work pays off in the long run.
@@Liverpool1ne I don't think it's any better quality than something like Johnno's Aqua Guard or durable eggshell. And it's treble the price. In my experience, F&B colours just don't cover very well, either. Nice colour range, though...
@@GlennPreston66 must admit I am a fan of Aqua Guard even if Phil doesn’t rate it. The colours just don’t come out the same so I suppose the question is, assuming all priced for, is a three coat F&B kitchen a better overall finish to a two coat finish using another brand. And if so is it worth the premium if the labour and materials cost more. Some people will always want to say ‘it’s a Farrow and Ball kitchen’ but I think there may be more to it than that.
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Nice!
Thank you! Cheers!
I did my kitchen in Tikarilla akva primer and Helmi 10 but after 3 years its marked and chipped.Recently did it in crown oil eggshell 2 coats and finish is perfect took overnight to dry but its more Durable 👍
Thanks for sharing. Keep us posted what it's like in a few years
Phill off subject but what masonry paint is best for spraying exterior walls thanks
Smooth Sandtex I've used.... Water down slightly. No issues
Top guy thanks 👌
Done a couple a walls on a show house in this colour , impossible to t/up even in a flat Matt finish 😡
I would have gone primer then 3 coats of scuff x. No need for undercoat
Nice job phil….dark colours always a problem however love f&b colours 👍
You and me both!
Shwmae Phil, I bought a erbauer 600 eaps paint sprayer. I bought a greco 110 ff lp tip. Unfortunately it won't fit the erbauer. Can you or anyone of your viewers recommend a ff lp tip to fit erbauer 600 eaps? I need a ff lp tip to spray upvc windows and and doors. Diolch. Thanks Phil.
Is that the airless paint sprayer?
You need the matching tip guard for the tip.
What size thread is the gun?
Yes it's airless. How do I find out what size tip guard I need, and where can i buy one? Sorry I don't know what you mean by, what size thread is the gun?
I possibly would have looked at Benjamin Moore Scuff X satin or Dulux Heritage Eggshell Phil. I like F&B but as you say, the undercoats can cause a bit of grinning on certain shades. I had it with studio green a few weeks ago, gladly i was spraying so it wasn't a big deal to buzz over it a 3rd time. I do generally try to get customers over to Benjamin Moore these days, although expensive it's absolutely bomb proof and always covers for 2. 👍
Edit..noticed you used the Smith & Roger Flow and Bond, did you put it into your topcoats? I used it for the first time on Friday as my Owatrol ran out and I noticed it says on the label to not use it in the topcoat. Wondered if you noticed any difference if you did? Cheers mate, Phil
You saw me use it inntye video as you watched all of it.
The instructions on the back are incorrect, you can use it in top coats.. I asked Ian if Smith &Roger at the p&D show last year
@ProfessionalPainterDecorator haha yes I did watch all of it, I think I remember you adding it to the can? That's interesting that the fella said the label is incorrect, surely they need to change it then? How many decorators are leaving it out of the topcoats like I did? As we all know.....follow the instructions!
@@AspireDecorating or.. if in doubt, ask those who know lol
Sprayed one a few weeks ago in blue and my god it was heartbreaking stuff.. never again will I do blue every again
Fish eyes...
Darks are a bugger imo. 3 good days - got to be £900 / 1k + mats.. Expensive - possibly - more than you thought - usually is sir.... - but not really compared to 5k for new kitchen plus fitting. (South Coast here).
Fish Eyes.. as in Sissing?
where do you mean?
£5k kitchen?
Have you watch my Flat renovation playlist from last year..... see what a £5k kitchen actually is!!
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Fish eyes are the little rubber bumpers for the doors.
5k kitchen - are you saying that's too cheap or too expensive? I'm a joiner / caninet maker / kitchen fitter and interio finisher, so do a lot of kitchen, studies, panneled rooms etc, build or supply, fit and finish.
£5k doesn't get you very much... see that video.
ruclips.net/video/TMDDLrT5PrY/видео.htmlsi=gDJnZNbgs04srcgy
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I'll just shut up - love your vids and apologise for any offence. None meant. Youre a lovely guy and thanks for the videos.
Why did you roller as opposed to spraying the doors?
A lot of people don't spray.. and want to paint their kitchen... So I'm showing them how they do it.
Did you see the first video?
Colourtrend satin covers alot better than fnb
No day rate roughly price @ £100 per door, by the way cracking finish! cheers Phil
sounds good, some will buy a brand new door though at £35 :( tnx for commenting as well :)
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I will look at the whole kitchen, doors, draws, carcasses, count the doors i.e. 10 doors x £100 & depending on amount of grime and access that's the whole Kitchen price.
@@miker8149 same here
I think it would have to be £900 minimum. My day rate is £160 per day which is quite low for my area in Kent. Any less why bother taking the job on due to the high level of finish required and the risk reward ratio. Just stick to "normal" work instead.
£900 still sounds cheap when you consider the customer is saving thousands on replacing the kitchen and having all the upheaval involved.
I don`t know how it would compare price wise to the kitchen door replacement companies. So there is that to consider I guess,
£160?
Have you seen my video on Earnings?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator No I have not yet, I will give it a watch. I am sure it will tell me I am selling myself short.
@@ThailandTerry this is the SHORT version.. but there is a more in-depth RUclips video.
ruclips.net/user/shorts31-ANa3MQzA?feature=share
Renner sprayed dark colours no problem
everything sprays better.... even white... compared to brush and rolling
Done 2 kitchens in f&b... never again will i use f&b. Paying more to do more work dont make sense
it would all be priced for :)
Dont talk cack
@ProfessionalPainterDecorator not getting paid to do my own lol, there's better gear out there for half the price of f&b
Why do you keep saying stiffski blue? It's stiffkey. One S
well apparently its not said like that.
its Stookey blue
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator oh really? Apologies. Is it like the silent letters in Chelsea FC making it chelski 😂
@@alexthomson7465 lol
Should of sprayed those doors Phil, cmon
but that would be a Spray a kitchen video.. not one about brushing and rolling it lol
Check your public liability insurance. Mine excludes spraying as they assess it to be too risky.
I always manage to get bits in my paint when painting doors or cupboard doors.. it’s a pain In ass . Not sure where it comes from
strain it
@@ProfessionalPainterDecoratorit’s more like lint from clothing etc .. always seem to be soemthing in the bloody air
£600 seems reasonable!
is that for 4 days?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator but Phil you always say price the job not use day rates. He is saying £600 is reasonable for the job…
@@Liverpool1ne charge for the job done, not the time taken!
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator that was my point… he said £600 for the job done. Edit: my own view is you could charge more but the reason for commenting is he gave a price for the job and you mentioned the time taken, presumably because you felt the value was too low?
@@Liverpool1ne just saying £600 over 4 days (based on a 9hr day) is 36 hours = £16.60 ph.
You can't run a business on that or can you?
Never used a dark F&B finish that didn't need 3 coats, even with their special undercoat. Bit of a rip off brand to be honest. Did you roll and tip, or just roll?
watch the video ;)
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I did.
@@acropolisnow9466 so you saw me using a roller
5mm gives a spray like finish.
Tipping off with waterbased is opening a can of worms.. its drying off too quick to tip off with waterbased.
Who wants brush marks like that lol