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The Drydock - Episode 061
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2019
- 00:00:18 - Channel Admin, 75k giveaway winner, new giveaway announcement
00:03:27 - An apology and some extra info
00:04:32 - Did the WW2 regia marina ever acquire any radar equipped vessels?
00:06:36 - Destroyer / Flotilla leaders?
00:08:59 - HMS Prince of Wales underwater hit
00:11:08 - Lion class Q turret
00:13:41 - Yamato battleship AA
00:17:20 - South Africa and warships!
00:21:22 - Plunging shells at close range?
00:25:25 - Iowa and KGV armour schemes
00:31:59 - Aside from Blucher in the german navy are there any other "cursed names" on warships in other navies?
00:33:53 - Had they been built, how would the G3 and N3 designs have lent themselves to mid-war upgrades after navies found out that the answer to "how many AA guns do you want?" was "yes" ?
00:37:45 - Can more than one Mogami powerplant fit in an Admiral? If so, how much extra knots would it be granted?
00:43:53 - What are your all time favorite warships? And what do you think about the addition of Submarines to World of Warships?
00:46:54 - What is the purpose of having Marines stationed on board ships? Was their presence solely for defending against/taking part in boarding actions, or would they have been used for landings using a ship’s boats?
00:53:00 - During major refits, how exactly is a ship's beam made wider? Is it just anti-torpedo bulges that extend the beam? Do they have humongous pistons that physically stretch the width?
00:54:13 - What did the RNAS do during WW1? Were they effective, and if they were why was it decided to merge it with the RFC to form the RAF?
00:58:03 - Had the Spanish gone with a Jeune École approach versus building the España-class dreadnoughts how might that have affected actions in the Spanish Civil War? Would such smaller ships have been better suited for the conflict?
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
When was the last close range cannon battle?
Feature you want to be added in WoWS
Are there any ancient/medieval warships that you’re quite fond of?
Who would win USS Massachusetts or Carnot?
How would the admiral and g3 class have been if they had been converted to aircraft carriers?
"A truly worrying 43, 44 knots"
And finally, Jackie Fisher can rest, satisfied.
Drach: *Does rough calculations on Hood with Mogami powerplants* “...Around about *three hundred and eighty THOUSAND* shaft horsepower...a truly worrying *forty-three, forty-four knots...”*
Me: *ERE WE GO, ERE WE GO*
Will Rogers Paint it red
Propellers: You want me to do what!!! "Promptly falls off"
*Hood with Mogami powerplants zooms by*
Germans on the Bismark: What the *hell* was that?
It's the Hood, Sir... They've gone to PLAID!
@@treeshakertucker5840 I believe that's why Drach mentioned some parts needing to be made of unobtainium. ;)
Looted Battlegalleun wiv kill kroozer enginez
HMS Hood breaks the Warp 1 Barrier, 1941, colourised
Heck, it would even break the WoWS barrier.
Georgia - "40 knots with speed boost"
Hood - "Hold my tea old chap"
"I am faster then your shells"-Hood-Gami🤣
Why do I have a vision of the Hood's captain water-sking behind her?
Destroys enemy vessels by towing them so fast their engines overspeed and disintegrate followed by the bow tearing off and forcing a vast quantity of water in at 80ks 🤣
Vice Admiral Holland: *"RAMMING SPEED!!!!"*
Always informative and entertaining Drach.
The 43knot Hood, Wow, That'd give the chills to any foe trying to fight it.
"Admiral, we cannot target the Hood"
"Why Not?"
"We can't depress the guns fast enough given its closure rate"
Meanwhile, on the Hood
"Prepare for impact!"
"Sir, if we ram at this speed we'll wreck ourselves"
"Is the enemy ship also made of Unobtainium?"
"No, sir"
I’m imagining that refitted Hood acting as a destroyer leader for a flotilla of Mogadors.
I think this is what I need to do to throw my name into the ring for one of the books. Just a bit of my knowledge, I served on the USS Kitty Hawk (CV63) from 73-79. After Nam we went into the yards in Bremerton,Wa. It took a while after we left the yards to get everything sorted out and working but about 2 months after we left the yards in ‘76 we did the after steering gear tests. This involved going out off the coast of San Diego and running the ship at high speed and running the rudders all the way to port and then all the way to starboard. I was one of the top people in the steering gear rooms at the time so I was in port steering for this test. Kitty Hawk was doing 37 Knots at the time, and she was not topped out. Here’s some trivia for you, when she was going that fast the 4 big screws actually lifted her ass end out of the water and of course waves were breaking against the bottom and making a tremendous noise. You had to yell very close to the other person to be heard . Was a very interesting experience.
On having massive amounts of horsepower in a ship - I was in the USN's Naval Nuclear Power Program, and during my time on active duty was acquainted with others in the program that had been stationed on the nuclear surface ships we had at the time, such as the Enterprise and other nuclear carriers and assorted cruisers. One gent I served with in Scotland, had been in the engineering department on the Enterprise around the 1980 timeframe. He related that one of the ways of measuring their speed, was having a torsion meter on one or more of the propeller shafts - basically, they measured how much the propeller shaft twisted under load when they cranked up the plant to high power levels. He also stated that the limiting factor on the Enterprise's top speed was the strength and hydrodynamic efficiency of her hull, not the propulsion plant.
During one stint on shore duty, I was talking with a quartermaster who had been in the navigation department on board one of the fast resupply ships, heading west across the Pacific. He related that one day the Enterprise appeared on the horizon behind them to the east, overhauled and passed them, and disappeared over the western horizon. Doing the maths, knowing his own ship's course and speed, and the time from when the Enterprise had first appeared behind them to when it disappeared over the horizon ahead of them, he calculated it's overall speed. Let's just say if he were being truthful and accurate, it would have easily outran even your fictional Hood refit by a considerable margin - and would also put to shame even the ludicrous speeds displayed by some ships in game in WoWS.
As far as submarines, the SSN 688 class came about from a desire to regain high speeds, that had been declining over the years, as fast attacks became bigger and heavier, and they were still using the same S5W reactor plant that had been designed in the 1950's. Their solution was to design a fast attack that was 2/3's propulsion plant, taking a cruiser nuclear power plant similar to that used in the Virginia class cruisers, and cram it into a submarine. That plant had so much excess power, given the size of the submarine, that when they designed the final iteration of the 688's, the Flight 3 boats, that to get even more speed out of them, all they had to do was increase the diameter of the main steam piping, and install bigger main engines.
So in addition to their penchant for bolting on AA guns, the following statement concerning the USN would also be true -
Designer - "How much extra horsepower do you want, and how fast do you want it to go?"
USN - "Yes"
Petition to build another enterprise but without the aircraft carrying part and use the weight to turn the whole thing into a gigantic battering ram.
Also, do you happen to have knowledge on Soviet fast attack sub like the Alpha? IIRC they still hold the underwater speed record
thanks for that man. amazing!
So Tim Allen's persona The Toolman was on the Enterprise and other USN Design Boards?
USN: I am SPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!
@@EstellammaSS The Alfas remain the fastest production submarines, but the one-off Soviet 'Papa' class submarine K-222 was even faster at 44.7 knots submerged. She might have been capable of even higher speeds, but on trials the hydrodynamic forces damaged her hull so attempts at raising the record further were not pursued.
56:01-56:15 Now if only the RFC had invested in that season pass like the RNAS did, then they would have gotten the Sopwith Camel DLC faster!
Iowa full speed run. HMS mogami hood. Hello goodbye can't stay must fly
Mood? Hoogami? I dunno.
Re: The mogami-powerplant refit Hood, I can imagine Jackie Fisher being very pleased because SPEED IS ARMOR, SPEED IS ARMOR.
For real tho, if that thing can go 43.5 knot it might actually be able to start dodging shell
Hehehe Good one, M8.
According to NavyReviewer, Speed is not armor; Armor is armor.
Jeremy Clarkson standing on bow: “SPEEEED!!!!”
@@cmdrbigbob Hehehehe
Diminishing returns on hp to speed though. Just look at how much more hp it takes to get a super car going 250mph vs 200. Well over half the hp is required for that last 50mph.
Edit: You mentioned this right after I wrote this comment.
Hood at 43 knots: "Full ahead", "Flank speed", "Bloody hell we're late for tea."
Sounds like HMS Hood's engine refit would have also needed the ship to have been repainted red.
Bernard Mitchell red onz go fasta
Does paint below the waterline count?
00:31:59 - Aside from Blucher in the german navy are there any other "cursed names" on warships in other navies?
*cough* Kamchatka... *cough*
I guess Japan didn't learn, Mutsu reactor test ship leaking radiation, so much so that they renamed her to Mirai after the rebuilt.
i guess this name was so corrupted that it was sworn to never be used again
@@FirstDagger lmao
USS Princeton perhaps? (1) Civil War era experimental gun explosion (2) CVL-23 magazine explosion (3) CG-59 Mining
The USS Arizona has not had a good run either.
- Arizona (1858) Sunk due to fire in engine room and subsequent explosion of magazines
- Arizona (1869) Didn't even finish her due to the construction being so poor and the hull was twisted and deformed that they couldn't fix it. Scrapped.
- Arizona (1912) Sunk at Pearl Harbour in '41 due to magazine explosion during first wave of the attack. Explosion twisted and buckled the hull as well.
Re-engined Hood: Submarine, destroyer, battlecruiser. Coming to a motorway near you.
There's no need to joke about it, decent sized ships in the form of high speed catamaran ferrys of over 10,000 Gross Tons can go over 50 knots if they're in a hurry. Incat is building a few more at the moment.
The last classic liner who won the Blue Ribbon, the United States (1952), got her 53,000tons to over 38kn with its 241,000hp, in tests she was even capable of 42kn, but heavy vibrations made this speed practicably impossible.
A catamaran with their hull design doing 50 knots is one thing - a conventional deep draft ship, especially a warship burdened down with armor and armament, doing similar speeds is quite something else. We're joking about it, because the idea of an early 20th century battleship, cramming in that ridiculous an amount of HP and capable of doing "ludicrous speed", is farcical in and of itself.
But then of course, along comes Wargaming and WoWS, and says "hold my vodka".
Mitchell Oates - I had a coworker who, as Chief of the Boat on a guided missile frigate, watched the USS Enterprise blow by his ship while his ship was doing “flank speed” - He estimated the Enterprise’s speed as 40+ kn.
@@mitchelloates9406 Oh I agree, but the fastest of those big Incat ferries goes 57 knots. At that speed they don't need armour. I wonder if anyone has thought of turning one into an old fashioned gunboat? . . (I'm joking.)
A reengined HOOD would make the fastest destroyers of the time look like turtles on the ocean
English engineers planning a refit on the Hood:
[ *secretly summon a speed demon to grind him to paint a ship with it* ]
Back in the days where there really were a multiplicity of guns on USN ships. the Marines provided gun crews for at least two 5"/38 mounts and a couple of quad 40mm mounts. They not only provided the crews, they became the experts on repair and and maintenance on their mounts. They'd assist Navy ordinance men at those tasks when asked, and they provided a far bit of training for the FNGs that were assigned to gunnery roles. With far fewer guns on Navy ships now, Marines still man some of the free swinging light weapons like.50 caliber M2 machine gun and 25mm Bushmaster cannons. They are the landing force in being if a small target needs to be attacked and secured, and they provide ship security for nuclear weapons compartments and various top secret areas of the ship. Marines are responsible, along with the Navy Master At Arms, for the overall protection and security of the ship while in port and at sea, with Marine NCOs often acting as the Officer of the Deck. They were generally in charge of the brig, and moving prisoners between the Captain's Mast and place like sick bay. What Marines really practice for is an attack of the ship while it is in port. If the SHTF and the ships is under fire from attackers attempting to seize the vessel, the Marines are the ones that turn out with weapons locked and loaded, ready to fight off the threat or die trying. In between such feats of derring do, Marines also swab the decks and do KP, so it's not all fun and games.
USMC disestablished the seagoing ship detachments in 1998, since then only MCSF dets and FAST teams are attached and deployed for ships and naval installations in high risk areas. SInce that time US NAVY ships companies do their own force protection and CONOPS level 0/1 maritime boarding like SRF and VBSS, although US NAVY SRF/VBSS teams are still sometimes trained by USMC Security Forces teams and personel.
@@lizardb8694 Thanks for that information. I knew Marines were no longer stationed on ships, but they were still deployed, particularly on amphibious ships. That makes sense, since some of the first ground troops to go in are Marines. Some are still regularly deployed on carriers and cruisers in area like the Persian Gulf. The proliferation of light weapons bolted to the decks in WWII fashion while transiting "hot" zones still needed trained artillerymen, and here the Marines have been able to fulfill that role again in the modern Navy.
23:00 ,, the picture of either the Nelsons or Rodney's 9- 16 inch guns all trained in the same direction and all elevated... Man that is f****** awesome...
HMS Ardent had an unlucky run... (Question of cursed names at 31:51)
The first, a 64 gun, 3rd Rate launched in 1764 she was captured by the French in 1779 (Recaptured by the British in 1782)
The second, also a 64 gun 3rd Rate caught fire and exploded near Corsica in 1782...
The WW1 Acasta class destroyer Ardent was sunk at the Battle of Jutland in 1916.
WW2 A class destroyer Ardent was sunk in 1940, defending the carrier HMS Glorious from the battleships Scharnhorst & Geneisenau.
Cold War era Amazon class frigate Ardent was hit by multiple Argentinian aerial bombs and sunk during the Falklands war in 1982.
Of the 8 ships named HMS Ardent in active service, 5 were lost (though the first was recaptured, I thinks it's still unlucky to be captured twice as a ship)
And in 2552 the Covanent Corvette, Hierachs Majestic Ship (HMS) Ardent Prayer was captured by a detachment of UNSC Spartans + Marines and piloted carrying a "slipspace bomb" on a suicide mission against the Covenant Supercarrier "Long Night of Solace"
I have this unshakable image of the Hood doing a wheelstand on its haunches, belching fire and sparks from its funnel, crazed angry face on its bow...
May 24, 1941, 5:52AM: German hydrophone operators are suddenly deafened by the cacophony of a tremendous sonic boom. Seconds later, Bismarck and Prince Eugen are both swamped by a massive tidal wave generated by HMS Hood charging past them at flank speed.
THE QUEEN LIKES HER SHINY ROCKS....now there's a tee shirt for ya
Tea shirt ;)
Can we please have a shirt "Marine: landing & taking over, Good Marine: Setting Fires & Stealing Everything" shirt.
In olive drab, you have a winner.
SMS Kaiser: "You want to ram me? No, I will ram YOU!"
Italian ship: "... but you are a wooden ship and I am an Iron Clad..."
SMS Kaiser: "I DO NOT CARE! RAMMING SPEED!"
True to the spirit of the commanding Admiral of the fleet. :D
Kestrel Owens asked regarding plunging fire. As a Fire Control Technician, I can say that, although your two arguments against it's use are very valid; there is a situation where it is used in naval warfare. In a tactical shore bombardment action, soft targets are often protected by large natural or artificial obstacles that make them essentially immune to direct fire. In such cases, a high-trajectory shell with a partial charge can be used to lob a shell over obstacles. This is called, 'Defilade Fire', and it's pretty much like using a deck gun like a mortar. True, it's neither common nor particualrly efficient; but if you have 1,000 enemy troops hiding behind a hill and don't want them to come running about on your beach landing, defilade fire might be the only option.
Hi Drach, have you seen today's news story about HMS London (1656)? Sank off the Essex coast in 1665, but the Royal Navy have just had to remove a WW2 parachute mine from the wreck!
Well Hitler did say bomb London...
@@b1laxson Lol! I hadn't thought of that. Mind you, knowing the Luftwaffe's capacity for exaggerating, I wouldn't be surprised if the aircrew claimed the sinking!
42:52 so water skiing behind a theoretical Hood in this configuration would be a very fun day 😎.
That thing would be capable of out running pretty much any destroyer that isn’t French
Just imagine how long you'd have to wait for them to turn around and pick you up again after you crash crossing the wake.
@@Shaun_Jones even the French as they cheated by doing things at half load.
I served on the Long Beach during my Navy service in the mid-1970s and we served frequently with Enterprise, and I saw it get a bit frisky at times and the darn thing really could get up and go.
With reference to the South African Naval situationa) there was no effective South African Navy until the Seaward Defence Force was formed in January 1940 by retired RN Rear Admiral Guy Hallifaxb) the South Africa Naval Service whilst formed in 1922 consisted of just 3 officers and three ratings in September 1939 and although the South African Naval Volunteer Reserve would provide 3,000 men during the war these would have been dispersed within RN vessels, although actually many were eventually used as crew of requisitioned trawlers and the salvage vessel Gamtoos which were to do sterling service both off the South African coast and in the Mediterraneanc) in 1938 the 15 inch gunned monitor HMS Erebus was nominated for South African Service as guard ship at Capetown. She was due to be leased by the South African Government and named as 'Erebus Heavy Battery, Coastal Artillery Brigade' and manned by army artillerymen. The transfer was delayed by Churchill who mistrusted South Africa's position on the war. The delay led to a minor mutiny by the South African crew which saw them repatriated and the agreement terminated by mutual consent.
At its peak, the so-named South African Naval Force operated around 80 vessels, consisting mostly of armed trawlers and whalers, performing anti-submarine and mine sweeping duties. South African-built MLs and HDMLs saw action against the Japanese in Burma. Towards the end of WW2, the SANF at last got some decent ships - 3 Loch Class frigates of which the HMSAS Natal, earned the unique feat of sinking a U-Boat while still on sea trials. (Great subject matter, Drach!)
Petition for
episode 69 to be a special episode
Yes, I propose an 2 hour episode fulled with (Royal) Navy screwing over other Navies / civilian / other nations / their own navies over. To spread the love of the service, I would say.
It should be released on April 4, 2020 (4/20)
Tuning3434
Maybe about Italian ships? Since they posed a big challenge to British fleets in the Mediterranean.
The HMS hood (hella fast tm.) Retrofit would have to have Jeremy Clarkson standing on the bow yelling "POWER".
Mogami powerplant fit in an Admiral class, Oof! 380,000 Hp, I can just about imagine that ship skipping across the ocean wave tops like a speed-boat, lol. With unobtanium prop shafts and stuff, lol.
drop the battle plates into the boilers, ditch the DFM and open the JP-5 valves, we are going plaid, lol. In all honesty, as much as some of us used to joke about that, if you switched boilers over from burning Diesel Fuel Marine (DFM) to Jet Propellant JP-5, it would probably melt the guts of the boilers faster than it would get you anywhere, if the atomizers kept it burning at all, lol.
While we're at it, install massive hydrofoils on the thing.
@@tomhsia4354 lol. spoiler on the back of the helo-deck, fuzzy dice hanging from the trim and roll indicators on the bridge, tassel around the window ports, massive subwoofers in the stack side-intake-vents, lol.
Sir Eustace Tennyson-d'Eyncourt exclaiming out loud, "is that boss music I hear"? (thump thump thump)
43:15 Silly Drach, even MPs aren't crazy enough to try and give a speeding ticket to a battlecruiser! :-)
Another Sunday morning spent listening to the Drydock for an hour plus. I think it time well spent. Thanks Drach.
HMS Hood re-engineered. It would have been able to get in close to Bismark much quicker and be a huge tactical advantage in any battle but I guess it's cruising speed would be much lower just to keep a sensible range.
So glad I was on my lunch break with the question about AA guns.
My Grandfather served in the RNAS, flying Sopwith Camels.
On the subject of cursed names, I was surprised when they brought back Prince of Wales for the second QE-class CV (my money would have been on Warspite, but I think that's tapped for one of the upcoming submarines?) after the mishaps against the Bismarck and then Force Z. And I don't think the JMSDF will be in a hurry to name a ship Mogami, given its track record of collisions and inadvertant teamkilling.
Imagine the Hood with a giant rooster tail trailing behind! 😁
HMS Hood.... doing 43-44 knots with all guns fireing while doing a hard turn ....to stereotypical anime music 😁
Hello Drach, awesome video as always. What a fantastic way to wake up on a Saturday morning. I think the main reason why South Africa didn't have a navy of any size was manpower. By the mid to late stage of the Desert campaign, the South Africa ground forces were struggling to provide enough troops to fill out their commitments. Not to mention conscription was never considered in South Africa due to political reasons.
The New Mexico class is a very good looking class of Standards, especially once they had been upgraded and modernized.
Oddly enough the three New Mexico's had pretty uneventful careers when compared to other older Battleships. None were present at Pearl Harbor. They mainly conducted bombardment duties and escort duties. Mississippi BB 41 was at Surigao Straight but her Mark 3 radar was incapable of actually seeing the Japanese ships and she only fired a few times.
Lastly, it's rumored that the Ford class carriers will have 400,000 or more horsepower available. They have a brand new reactor design that is 25 percent more powerful than the reactors on the Nimitz class.
THAT'S classified... But yeah the Ford's will have improved SKELETAL beam design to improve over the Nimitz class,, the Nimitz sustaining structural damage going around cape Horn... But yeah they want an over-40 knot speed to match the destroyers...
..and yeah the New Mexico's were excellent ships...
@@micnorton9487 Its a shame the Navy no longer has Nuclear escorts
A 100,000 ton ship going nearly 50 mph...~82 kph... Madness...
@@admiraltiberius1989 ..yeah I served at the time that the Bainbridge and Long Beach were still active... but I didn't qualify for the nuclear program, I had a marijuana bust on my record LOL...
Plunging fire IRL is very difficult, not only do the shell need to spend a longer time in the air, and carry less momentum, you also have to score a hit "3 dimensional", as opposed to "2 dimensional" (side and elevation) with hi velocity flat trajectory guns.
indeed, the art of killing someone surrounded by armored steel at a great distance using naval guns is actually a science, and difficult to forecast and even more difficult to execute.
Garibaldi ,abruzzi ,and duca d'aosta all were equipped with allied radar in free town when the italian navy went to work fighting the axis.
It's a shame the Hood didnt get a propulsion and armor refit before WW2, ship was punching well below its weight by the time it saw the Bismark
So if we gave Hood the Mogami engines it would go as fast as if we painted it red?
This is assuming that red paint below the waterline does not count, right?
@@typehere6689 yep
43knot H.M.S. HOOD! speeding ticket? turns 15inch gun on cop car! "WHAT SPEEDING TICKET!"
Lol. I dont thinknthe cop would even pull the HOOD over. He would just look at her and say. NO.... not even going to try...
Regarding the question about the deployment of Royal Marines, they could be ferried ashore in the ship's boats and/or RIBs. Again I have an example of this (I'm starting to sound like there was nothing I didn't do in the RN!). Late in 1975, Guatemala started flexing its muscles along the border with Belize and Eskimo was diverted from it's intended deployment to Iceland on fishery protection duties to the West Indies station, supplementing the ship(s) already there to keep a presence on or near where the border met the sea. We spent a lot of our time anchored at that position. We had a platoon of marines permanently on board, I think is was 22 in total; Officer Commanding, a Sergeant, two Corporals and 18 Marines, so any landing would not be as you would imagine and certainly not on the scale of Overlord or even St. Nazaire. They were sent ashore to carry out a number of week long border patrols, however when they were delivered to shore I was not on the upper deck to watch what was going on so I can only surmise that they were taken in on the ship's cutter and whaler. That being the case, the boats would probably have been driven in with their bows up onto the beach and then pushed back off again once marines, food and equipment had been disgorged and then would have been picked up in the reverse manner on completion of their stint ashore.
Marines did have other purposes on board ship. Firstly, as you have pointed out in the past, they were trained to man the aft 4.5 inch gun (on the Tribals, some tatty old relic from the second world war in a mounting the same as on the C class destroyers, which is probably where they came from) along with it's magazine and handling room. They could be used to carry out riot control duties ashore in places we were alongside or anchored. They could assist local disaster control officials in the event of such occurrences as earthquakes, as I believe happened later on that deployment, paradoxically enough in Guatemala - I parted company with the ship about two months in as I was due to be transferred anyway so I cannot really confirm this. The other more interesting duty they would have had to perform was suppression of any disturbances or mutiny on the ship they were aboard and I very distinctly remember this function being tested - with unnecessary vigour on their part, when we were on our work-up at Portland. Finally, we had an leading hand onboard who was a skilled cartoonist and they often provided a figure of fun for him!
The "gun shadow" you're describing is almost exactly that of a "beaten zone" of a machine gun.
How many drydocks do you want to have the upcoming week?
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Turtle ships were never a very large part of Yi's fleet (they were specialized units for breaking up enemy formations while the more numerous panoeksun bombarded from a longer range). And during the Battle of Myeongnyang (where Yi famously defeated an enemy force eleven times his number of ships), he didn't have any turtle ships.
Does the Hood refit include torn up speakers and eurobeats?
Possibly the reason you're partial to the New Mexico class is that they resemble the Warspite at a distance.
Drach, you mentioned that you believed that Montana was the only U.S. state not to have a battleship named after it. You are, of course, correct. A review of DANFS confirms this. Oh, Alaska and Hawaii missed out too, but they did not become states until after battleships went out of fashion.
A shorthand list follows; should be easy enough to figure out.
Alabama BB-8, BB-60 museum Mobile, AL; Arizona BB-39 memorial Pearl Harbor; Arkansas BB-33; California BB-44; Colorado BB-45 class ship; Connecticut BB-18 class ship; Delaware BB-28 class ship; Florida BB-30 class ship; Georgia BB-15; Idaho BB-24; Illinois BB-7 class ship, BB-65 incomplete; Indiana BB-1 class ship, BB-50 cancelled, BB-58 class ship; Iowa BB-4 class ship, BB-53 cancelled, BB-61 class ship museum Los Angeles, CA; Kansas BB-21; Kentucky BB-6, BB-66 incomplete; Louisiana BB-19, BB-71 cancelled; Maine 2nd class BB class ship, BB-10 class ship, BB-69 cancelled; Maryland BB-46; Massachusetts BB-2, BB-54 cancelled, BB-59 museum Fall River, MA; Michigan BB-27; Minnesota BB-22; Mississippi BB-23 class ship, BB-41; Missouri BB-11, BB-63 museum Pearl Harbor; Montana BB-51 cancelled, BB-67 class ship cancelled; Nebraska BB-14; Nevada BB-36 class ship; New Hampshire BB-25, BB-70 cancelled; New Jersey BB-16, BB-62 museum Camden, NJ; New Mexico BB-40 class ship; New York BB-34 class ship; North Carolina BB-52 cancelled, BB-55 class ship museum Wilmington, NC; North Dakota BB-29; Ohio BB-12, BB-68 cancelled; Oklahoma BB-37; Oregon BB-3; Pennsylvania BB-38 class ship; Rhode Island BB-17; South Carolina BB-26 class ship; South Dakota BB-49 class ship cancelled, BB-57 class ship; Tennessee BB-43 class ship; Texas 2nd class BB class ship, BB-35 museum Houston, TX; Utah BB-31 memorial Pearl Harbor; Vermont BB-20; Virginia BB-13 class ship; Washington BB-56; West Virginia BB-48; Wisconsin BB-9, BB-64 museum Norfolk, VA; Wyoming BB-32 class ship
Ah, I see. Montana had 2 cancelled! Unlucky. But that must be why at 26:18 the illustration apparently shows the armour layout of Montana, bottom row in the middle?
which means The HMS HOOD with mogami powerplant will keep up with the fastest destroyers of WW2 like the Mogadors, Shimakaze and the Tashkent .
Great Drydock! On the favorite ships list (my own at least) is the USS Nevada - for two reasons got underway during the Pearl Harbor attack and survived two Atomic Bombings to include one where she was painted bright red and was the aiming point for the bomb and then had to be eventually sunk by gunfire. A tough old girl!. As for lop sided naval actions, don't forget the Battle of Pulo Aura where East India convoy(no warships just merchant ships - albeit about half the convoy were Indiamen- where the Commodore lined up his East Indiamen (merchant ships) in a line of battle formation and faced off a French squadron of actual warships (including a 74 and several frigates)! An action that required a HUGE amount of intestinal fortitude topped with a good deal of persuasiveness to get the captains of the Indiamen to comply.
A HMS Hood with that sort of power plant would need more than unobtanium hull and prop shafts... she would need unobtanium fuel as well! Without that she would go that 43 Knots for about 100 miles before running out of fuel! Of course, the lads crewing her would have also needed to be made out of the same stuff, or kept permanently pissed! Knowing the RN probably the latter!
Ok wow! Thank you Drach!
Now I've got to mental image of the Hood doing doughnuts around the Bismarck while flashing "Suck it, bitches" in Morse code.
Not so pinned post for book giveaway.
Interested in the book giveaway.
Me read good
yes please put me in the draw for the book giveaway
#metsushima
Yes please
time 20:21 (Plunging fire) - longer time in air means more time for gravity/wind shear to effect shells causing shells to fall even shorter and/or drift further off target. During the drop time on Little Boy (Hiroshima atomic bomb) the wind shear caused the shell to drift 800 feet or more, which resulted in the bomb exploding over a hospital instead of the street bridge that was the intended target.
Hearing your musings upon the terminal velocity of an over-powered Hood....
Just run close past Bismark at full speed and watch the wash, meanwhile the Bismark crew go "Is that Hood coming....where the **** did it go?"
Can we get a movie on the adventures of Cochrane and speedy, mainly speedy flip flopping between French and English before being captured by the papal navy.
Yes please - so many great stories about badass RN frigate captains.
the name Truxtun is a cursed name for USN ships. All but the most recent (ddg-103) ran aground at some point, and the current truxtun had a fire in the yards while she was being built that destroyed her forward superstructure completely and required another one be taken from another ship being built, she had her anchor dropped on her sonar dome, and about 2 weeks after i go to the ship there was a semi-major fire in port at the shore power connectors...but there's still plenty of time for her to live up to her name and run aground.
Thanks for responding to my question!
I've never spent so long looking at sterns. Edit, large armored sterns.
I was surprised to see the RN has named 1 of it's new carrier as HMS Prince of Wales, as the KGV of that name was considered a bit of a jonah
The limiting factor of the USS Enterprise top speed was the hull not the engines she was know to have hull issues during speed trials.
I had a co-worker who, as Chief of the Boat on a GMF, watched the Enterprise blow by his ship while both were at “Full Flank” - He estimated the Enterprise was doing 40+ kn.
Enjoy your channel. I viewed every video you have posted. Better then Sea Classics magazine in your coverage. I applaud your hard work.
Since I am out of work any of those books would be interesting Drach. Some the RN pre-dreads that were used for bombardments in 1914-15 got some of the earliest bulges and I have read in the past that they filled the compartments on the unengaged side to extend there range.
It sounds like the Captain of HMS Speedy had a deep understanding of the jump down their throat and kick out their liver tactics.
So at 50 MPH for the Hood. So fast enough for the crew to go water skying.
Typical water skiing speed is 20-30 mph. At 50 knots with the Hood doing the pulling, you could probably get a tank to water ski! (World record for water skiing is about 130 mph btw.)
Thank you for answering my question 😀
What is the title of the intro music?
Thanks for all future replies and have a nice day everyone
Kolorado 72 - modern remix of.
Cab Calloway’s Wah-Dee-Dah.
With Drach added hammers, bells,
ship horns, and Naval gunfire.
Original: ruclips.net/video/vofGo2nDv10/видео.html
Remix: ruclips.net/video/1Zzqio6jPRQ/видео.html
Mogami-Hood + planing hull & hydro foils...
I dunno, I'd be tempted to attribute the lack of any new HMS Hood to the overall shrinking of the Royal Navy, rather than the ignominious end of the last one. After all, we've got a new Prince of Wales and the WW2 version hardly had a better end than Hood.
As for Yamato, the 1:10 model in Kure museum has the small turrets on. Google for 'yamato kure model'.
Because that's her 1945 refit.
I'm now thinking of HMS Hood the hydrofoil
A good book on the RNAS in WWI is Naval Aviation in the First World War by R D Layman.
Awesome video thanks!
As for plunging fire at 21:22 - I guess it is worth to mention, that the SMS Budapest, an 1890 vintage 5500 ton coastal battleship had its front dual 24 cm turret removed and exchanged for a 38 cm (15") but after a few trial shots they gave up.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Budapest
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/38_cm_Belagerungshaubitze_M_16
42:45 -- "... the Cube of 32..." -- Quick maths Tricks time. 32 = 2 to the Fifth power (2^5) and if that's Cubed, then it's 2^15. Gee, these numbers seem awfully familiar, like I used to encounter them on my desktop graphics settings all the time! :D (32,768)
43:05 -- 80 Kilometers per hour; 50 Miles per hour; or, 43.19 knots.
Another quick maths trick, using a keyboard Numpad. The Conversion Rate between Knots and Kilometers per hour is 1.852, forming a somewhat J (flipped L) shaped pattern on the Numpad. But wait, there's more to this one. If you're cool with quick approximations based on this easy-to-remember rate, 1.852 is roughly equivalent to 1 and 7/8. Division by 8 is about as simple as division by 2, and as such, it isn't hard to mentally close-guess X NM to Kilometers by doubling it, and subtracting 1/8 of the original value. The *true* rate, of course, is more than 1/8th, so this slightly overestimates the distance by about 2%.
Quick Approximation -- 40 NM is approximately (80 - 5) = 75 kilometers. (True: 74.08)
Speaking of numbers I recognize (FOR SCALING PURPOSES) -- 2^20? Suddenly, we hit a million, AKA the "megabyte" range.
Your vids always make my day!
Campaign for a Refit 43 knot DrachinHood to be added to WoWS starts now.
The Highspeed Hood would need to be a hydrofoil....
Please Drachinifel could you do a video on the Great White Fleet or on some US pre-dreadnaught battleships their paint scheme looks splendid.
Worrying, terrifying, 43-44 nautical miles per hour, you sir are using the wrong colorful words, more like, awe inspiring, comforting, dazzling, and refreshing are the words I would choose, Hull structure be damned!
Just put yourself in the shoes of a prospective enemy & imagine trying to hit the thing. I’d call that horrifying.
Hood with an unobtanium hull, I would imagine would displace less than 40000 tons, as the unobtanium would not need to be as thick as steel, potentially being a bit faster.
The speed limit of any surface ship that is not up "on plane", i.e. a dispacement hull, is mostly a function the waterline length in feet. A general rule of thumb is about 1.3 x sqrt of the WL. So a 900' vessel could go about 39 kts. (1.3 x 30). Now as to how much HP is required to get there is a matter of hull shape, efficiency and prop selection. The reason for the limit is due to the creation of a bow and stern wake. At some point you are pushing uphill, and the only way to go faster is to "get on plane", like a speed boat Most Battleships and Aircraft Carriers are not "planing hull" designs.
4:23 I guarantee some Army soldier is thinking WTF is taking the Navy so long?
Hey Drach. I would like to ask for your opinion regarding the large "sixes" "sevens" and so on rowed warships of the Hellenistic era. Do you think that they were rowed with multiple people per oar, split on 2-3 differen stories (i.e. 3 people per oar on a two-deck "six"), or do you think that they "simply" stocked the ships up, but stayed with one man per oar? And since I am not even remotley an engineer: What would, in your mind, be the best way to arrange large numbers of oarsmen in such a warships? I would love to hear some more vids of yours regarding ancient battles. Best regards, Nel.
Imho it would be multiple per oar. Doing stacked raises center of gravity affecting stability; each extra deck would add much more mass than being a few feet wider; longer oars from the upper stacks would lose efficiency due to oar mass and/or angles. If there were 6 stack decks we would likely have historic artwork like that. Instead we see about 3 oar levels which could have who knows how many on each oar.
Q&A
Hey Drach. In your reading of infromation gathering. How did the Imperial Japanese Navy fix the issues with there ships that were involved during the 4th Fleet incident.
I know a lot of those shops were built very light in there structures. But rebuilding or reinforcing the structures or hulls would have other consequences in other areas.
A lot of cutting down, removing, strengthening etc. Will eventually have a video about it
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Ok. I've been curious since reading about the Tomozuru and the 4th fleet incident along with the Japanese ships that had issues due to design issues
LOL, you not liking BIAS.....that's rich! Great show as ever!
Are there any plans for a video on the Battle of the Barents Sea?
Eventually :)
Remotorized HMS Hood would be, at least speedwise, well past cleared for Autobahn usage, as the minimum speed is 60km/h, or 32.4 knots in naval units.
USS Gray Ghost
Video requests You have talked about a lot of US Ships that were so damaged that they should have sank but the crews managed to get them back to port could you do a video about those ships or even just show a few in your next drydock What Country had the best pre dreadknot and what was it’s class large repair/refit HMS Hood vs Bismarck historical scenario and or USS Samuel B. Roberts DE-413 or one about all the awards the USS Enterprise CVN-6 got in WW2. The N in CVN-6 means Night Operations and the USS Enterprise CV 6 was the first to do night ops the N was added after her first night operation to Signify she did Night operations as well as day
I'm glad that in the aftermath of this Drydock video, the King George V class still retains the 2nd place spot for most armored battleships, I really am.
Hello! Love your videos, use them as an educational material for younger siblings. Had a question - is there any chance you can make a video about unbuilt Russian Empire/Soviet Battleships? Here’s the list for you to look into - Battlecruiser Ismail, Kostenko Battleship, Battlecruiser Kinburn, A & B Battleship designs, Sovetsky Soyuz(Soviet Union) Battleship, Battlecruiser Kronstadt. I think that Kostenko Battleship with it’s unique turret displacement and Sovetsky Soyuz being compared in size or even bigger than Yamato would be quite interesting for watchers :) Thank you in advance!