The Drydock - Episode 067
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
- 00:00:18 - Channel Admin
00:02:36 - Tumblehome design
00:11:07 - Would the Japanese have been better served at Guadalcanal with their light carriers over Hiei and Kirishima?
00:15:04 - Pre-dreadnought fortress at Gallipoli
00:22:07 - Edinburgh or Cleveland?
00:35:36 - Norweigian Coastal Defence ships
00:38:58 - Why was Derrflinger so tough?
00:42:53 - Henry Grace a Dieu vs Great Michael
00:50:39 - Rocket / Missile tech set back a couple of decades?
00:58:07 - Were the Atlanta and Dido class CLAA’s a good idea in retrospect? Did any Dido’s get used in surface actions like the Atlanta (to her detriment)?
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If the Tillman class of battleships had gone into production, would it have cause a ridiculous arms race, or would the whole world pointed and laughed at the U.S?
Exactly what sort of damage would large calibre gun hits cause to warships (ww1/ww2 era)? I've only been able to final damage reports/photographs from USS South Dakota and HMS Prince of Wales.
If you were to come to the u.s. what part are you going to and why hypothetically
What was the largest naval battle in history given the size of the fleets involved and the number of men?
What is the significance of the bell of a ship?
Speaking of storms... I knew a guy who was serving on a destroyer with the 3rd fleet in the Philippine Sea, when Halsey infamously ran into the typhoon in December of '44. He said he knew they were really in the shit when he looked over the side of his destroyer as they crested a wave and was staring down at the flight deck of an aircraft carrier.
Urgent for USA Trip! Kamchatka reports under attack by IJN torpedo boats in the America heartland!
"We are being attacked by tanks from the air!"
Sightings of Japanese torpedo boats have been reported up and down the length of the Mississippi. Local barge traffic has been advised to return to the closest dockyards to be equipped with surplus ATGM mounts and their standard load out of 175 missles
Underrated comment.
Part of me thinks 19th/early 20th century French battleship designers took a DeLorean round trip to 2019. Saw World of Warship's ships for the Halloween steampunk special missions, and said "Oui, lets make those."
Hi HI Hi Hi Hon Hon Hon Hon Hon!
Hahaha
At least they didn't copy the catapults as well...
Modern cruise ships blow my mind with how they are almost completely superstructure.
The 'tonnage' of merchant ships is usually reported using Gross Registered Tons (GRT) which is actually a measure of internal volume (100 cubic feet of enclosed space = 1 GRT). Adding extra decks to a passenger ship can give a big increase in GRT for very little increase in actual weight. This is why modern cruise ships often exceed 100,000 GRT.
When I look at modern cruise ships, I always think how the !@#?\ do they stay upright?
They tend to have wide hulls and use significant amounts of aluminum in their superstructures.
@@misterjag Always interesting to make ships out of aluminium, great corrosion resistance, but if a really hot fire starts...
Tends to happen when your ship os not filled with 30000 tons of armour or toyotas.
Am I the only one who chuckles at the name Derrflinger since its job was "flinging" shells?
12" Derf
Old meme but...
It flings the Der...
Could have had a whole class sharing a name-theme
Der Flinger, Der Thrower, Der Chucker, Der Lobber, Der Hiffer, Der Hurler, Der Booter, Der Pitcher, Der Caster, Der Flipper, Der Castor, Der Heaver, Der Bowller, Der Bunter, Der Slinger, and perhaps even Der Baller and Der Tosser.
Slight error at 32:30, you said Edinburgh when I'm fairly sure you meant to say Cleveland.
Well caught.
i love how drach likes the comment where people point out mistakes and then compliments them on catching it truly a god in the pantheon of youtube
@@Drachinifel Guess you had a bit of a Jingles moment yourself! :P
Just goes to show that we're paying attention.
To the OP, great comment.
So tumblehome actually could have been described as tumbleover, once the superstructure exceeds the point of diminishing returns this design has.
You forgot to mention that at Guadalcanal the Japanese battleships got lucky because none of the 39 American Torpedoes that hit them exploded. Thanks to the incompetence of the US Navy's Ordinance Department
Instead of KABOOM, it was dink and sink, not a scratch on the ship even.
39 Torpedo hits??!? Where did you get this information from?
Regarding your opinion on the possibly short-lived future of the Fritz-X:
A wire-guided version of it with 16km of wire had been on standby for the case that allied jamming was successful. They did however never observe that the jamming was successful so the wire-guided version wasn't deployed.
In testing early '45 were a version with a tv camera in the nose and a version with a passive radar homing seeker that didn't need any outside guidance.
Yes the teleoperated version was quite advanced...
Great work as always Drach
I loved the comment about one of the reasons for Derfflinger's toughness was defective British AP shells. This is all too often ignored by those less informed but rabid supporters of uber German toughness.
Hope you have a great time on your US trip.
One warning I can give you is to be very careful when using US currency. Unlike Australian or British notes, theirs are all the same colour and size so you have to pay attention when using them.
Showing Aussie notes to US shop assistants their response was "Oh why can't ours be like that? They are so easy to tell apart"
Pfft...it's not "Rabid" supporters of uber German toughness, your words are the typical British response to typical British failures. The German's are tougher, and better gunners, and better sailors. The British use every excuse but never use the truth. And nobody says that line about American money. Seriously, since at least the 70's. American money is easy to understand. We have large clearly printed numbers on them. If you can count you should be fine. We use dollars and cents, that's it.
I've seen it stated that German capital ships were able to have more internal subdivisions than British ships because German crews lived ashore except during operations and therefore there was less need for crew comfort in the form of ventilation, mess halls etc. Is there any truth to this?
@@CharlesStearman Yes that is correct. German ships in WW1 were designed for North Sea/Baltic Sea operations, in harbour the crews left the ship and lived ashore. I've read reports that due to their extensive subdivision you had to leave one boiler room, go all the way up to the weather deck and down again just to get to the next boiler room.
This makes them hard to sink but inefficient for extended voyages. Navies which had to cruise for extended periods of time could not do this, there had to be more comfort for the crew, otherwise they would fall ill and become far less effective.
@@chopchop7938 Bah, Stereotypical American. A shallow reading of events. The Germans were NOT better sailors or tougher people. Their rangefinders were quicker to get on target but required perfect eyesight in both eyes to use (which cut the number of available people) but also required intense concentration. Battle however is full of distractions.
Thus while starting better their accuracy diminished as operators tired while the easier to use British system took longer to get on target but improved rapidly and was able to maintain accuracy as it was more user friendly. As for excused for failures I believe that's the pot calling the kettle black.
And every non American I've met says that about American currency. We use decimal currency too and you can tell the different denominations at a glance from across the room due to the different colours, (a system many nations use) can't say that about the standardized grey-green American notes
John Fisher - if you’re talking old school dollars then sure, they did look the same from a distance. The new stuff looks like Monopoly money. Plus most of us can tell the notes apart by the picture. Most people are too uneducated to know who the picture is but they know which goes with which note. Honestly if you’re traveling in the 21st century, bring a good international credit card and use that for everything. Way less headaches. A couple hundred in 5s, 10s and 20s for museums and small local restaurants maybe. No reason to carry more than that.
I’d never heard of the Henry Grace a Dieu or Great Michael. What a treat!
Time Team did an episode on the Henry Grace a Dieu in their Series 12
ruclips.net/video/0QLUOhdH0XM/видео.html
Have you heard of the battle of Flodden Field?
me hee Name sounds familiar, but that’s about it without looking it up.
Always had a soft spot for Henry Thanks-Be-to-God ever since I first read about it way back in the last century. In any case, hats off to both Drach as well as the people asking questions. This was one of the best selection of questions - and answers - yet! Thanks!
Hey, thanks for answering my question, and doing it in such an extensive maner.
Most of that question has ben answerd in one way or the other in other videos as well as discussions with other viewers in the comments, but it is still great to have the information condensed in such a easily understandable and acessible package.
When your ship is grounded, technically it's at the bottom of the sea.
Drach, when will the “Crushing Hand of God” depth charge, and “Giant Superstructure of Doom” merchandise be out?
Many thanks for the content
I did read that it was thought that electric razors would jam German radio guided weapons. It was thought they gave off a signal which would cause the jamming. You could just imagine the captain ordering his men to start shaving the minute a German bomber was spotted.
Whether it would have worked I very much doubt. But they would have been the most clean shaven shipwrecked mariners in history.
I believe that it's the same degree of dis-information as the tale of carrots aiding night-vision. A thin veneer of a explanation to try and hide the actual technology in use; the radio jammers against Fritx-X and the Hs 293, and the AI radars against the night-time intruders.
I spent a few weeks aboard an LST, USS Schenectady, in the early 70s. The manuals for servicing the twin 3" 50 gun mounts still had a drawing of these being used against attacking planes resembling Mitsubishi built units.
Just got round to watching the last half of this weeks offering Thank whoever for the question BUT absolutely stunned to hear you open a new path of my interest I was down in Dorset on holiday a few years back So decided to take the opportunity to visit Royal Navy Dockyard The Mary Rose exhibit "IS STUNNING" So to hear that Henry VIII had a bigger ship if it was in existence when the Mary Rose went down would help explain to question I have always had as to why this event did not have a more significant impact
12:37 ran out of air "by"
LMAO
It occurs to me that if rocket technology had been held back 20 years then jet engine tech would be lagging well behind too, so the conversation about the viability of gun warships into the 50's becomes one of carrier launches prop aircraft against ever-improving AA. I think that the idea of a gun platform would have given way to something closer to an air defence platform, and the increasing need to protect larger gun assets from massed air attack would have led to entire classes of cruisers being entirely made of air defence weapon systems
Jet tech doesn't really need rockets, the basic concept is different.
Prop aircraft also had some more tricks like turbo props and contra rotating propellers so even if there's no jets the prop aircraft would have become much more capable as well.
@@thearisen7301 If you can do turboprops there's no reason you can't do turbojets using the same technology and most of the same components.
Even with prop aircraft the balance would still be hilariously in favour of airpower. Range is a massive force multiplier.
I suppose a delay in jets would mean interesting, propeller-reliant designs like the Vought F5U could have (ahem) taken off.
This episode makes my day whenever I watch it. My grandfather was FC3, fwd plot gunfire control on the Worcester!
500 more tons on an Atlanta ... think about how many more guns we can strap on!!!!! Mount guns on the bottom of the hull incase she rolls over, that way we can keep firing when those break the surface!!!!
20:45 -- Drach at his Poetic Best! " ... But the damage will eventually rack up and when you've got things like turrets on roller bearings and delicate fire control equipment, Etcetera ..." -- ee cummings couldn't have said it better!
SEE ALSO: "my sweet old etcetera" -- www.best-poems.net/poem/my-sweet-old-etcetera-by-e-e-cummings.html
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The pubic hair on the pic of the Cleveland makes me laugh because I was born in Cleveland.
Im realizing we dont have a single video on any French destroyers or cruisers. Is there any such thing in the works, particularly for the light and heavy cruisers and the _contre-torpilleurs_ ?
Sure wish Drach could do a video on the German S-Boats of WW2.
If you suppose that rocket and missile technology is delayed by 20 years, but most other tech, such as nuclear weapons and nuclear propulsion plants, still arrived on schedule -
- No Sputnik, no Yuri Gagarin, no John Glenn, no Apollo 8, no Apollo 11 and Neil Armstrong, no weather communications or GPS satellites - no space race, at least as we knew it, but delayed 20 years, if it happened at all - and no knock-on effect in our daily lives, from all the different technologies and equipment that were developed as part of the space program, that eventually found their way into the civilian economy, such as laptop computers and iPhones - our history, our world, and our daily lives would be vastly different.
Although one could consider the lack of iPhones - and thus no Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc - and none of that godawful Tang powdered beverage mix - to actually be a blessing in disguise.
- No ballistic missile submarines, no ICBM's, no SAM nationwide air defense systems such as Nike Hercules against long range nuclear bombers. Air Forces would have ruled the roost as far as the lion's share of national defense budgets - even more so than they did immediately after WW2 - for a generation or more, as the main service that could both defend against, and conduct, nuclear attacks, with their interceptors and bombers. Aircraft development would have been even more weighted towards high speed long range interceptors, and high speed long range strategic bombers, than it already was in that era, by orders of magnitude. We might have seen aircraft such as the XB-70 Valkyrie actually enter service, and ones such as the B-58 Hustler have a prolonged lease on life, and squadrons of A-12's - the interceptor variant of the SR-71 Blackbird - deployed to intercept Soviet long range bombers.
A confrontation between nuclear powered battleships would end in a reactor meltdown
Edinburgh or Cleveland?
Personally I find it's how lucky you are with T8 match-making...
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Nice to remember the Great Harry and the Great Michael. Before 1982, the former was the only ship of that era that generally but then totally eclipsed by the Mary Rose whose existence was virtually unknown of before then.
Best opening tune ever. I love Cab Calloway. Tell us about music on ships please
Dear Drach Santa, please can I have a Springsharp tutorial for Christmas? But if the Elves can't gift wrap it in time, could you tell me how to get version 2.1 to work on Windows 10? I've tried v.3 but it's buggy. I promise I'll be good and eat all my greens and tidy my room every day! Love, Luke 😀
It’s out now!!! Bit late but still great!
Designing a dreadnought era (and by extension, battlecruiser era) armored cruise *on purpose* is a very interesting problem, isn't it? You don't really *want* one. Battlecruisers will eat you, and if you're sufficiently powerful to obsolete all other cruisers you've spent as much as you would on a battlecruiser anyways.
Maybe 8" guns in a German style crossdeck fire configuration, enough armor to keep 6" shells out, and all the speed you can muster? I can't see spending more for 10" guns and protection against other 10" guns as worth it, you might as well spend the tiny bit more for 11" guns and proper armor - you've just invented Von der Tann.
How about articles on the Chinese Steam Navy Ships prior to and post 1894?
As for the Rocket / Missile techquestion, AshM and ship launched SAM's wasn't getting around until c.a 1960, so in this case, we are talking about c.a 1980, before SAM's and AshM's becomes a actual thing. However, guided autonomous anti ship bombs (active radar guided) was in service by 1945 (ASM-N-2 Bat) and there was also a semi-active guided version (Pelican). Both of those bombs would have been as hard or harder to jam, as later antiship missiles, assuming similar radar tech, while offering stand-off range vs. gun based AAA. The IJN Aguni for instance was hit from 20nm. There were also aircraft droped guided torpedoes around in 1945 (the US Mark 24) but those were not able to handle fast surface ships. But aircraft droped guided torpedoes, might have supplemented the guided bombs in the anti surface action from c.a. 1960, followed by TV-guided and laserguided bombs in the 1960's and 1970's.
I love this show.
Now I know how a pregnant warship looks
Going to disagree in RE: "What if missiles hadn't come about when they did". It wasn't the missile, guided or otherwise, that killed the battleship, it was the atomic bomb. Practical guided missiles really didn't come about until the 1960s, and even then they were anti-aircraft rather than anti-surface. No, what killed the gun armed capital ship was the perception that all future wars would be fought be bombers dropping atomic bombs on cities and the fact that you can build a whole lot of B-29s for the price of one battleship. Also keep in mind that the early experiments in naval guided missiles were all nuclear armed, including building a nuclear warhead for captured German V-1 buzz bombs as the JB-2 Loon.
You're right.
0:50:40 Rocket/missile technology in a two decade lag: Interesting answer, clearly centered on the idea, that the many sciences needed for a working Anti-ship missile (and even stuff, like the Tiny Tim or the FFAR
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_Tim_(rocket)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-Inch_Forward_Firing_Aircraft_Rocket
...so only the propulsion part lags behind - but then arises the question of whether or not jet aircraft come into play and then why not using gas turbine driven cruise missiles....
Also, if guidance would not lag behind in that alternate reality, glide bombs could home on jamming and some really nasty guided torpedoes could be developed, thus tipping the odds AGAINST the gun warships - thought not on the scale we saw history books.
I would have to agree with you about comparing a Town cruiser to a Cleveland. Both are perfectly good at being a light cruiser but as far as which one is better depends on whatever role that cruiser is needed to to do. If it's going to accompany a carrier fleet then the Cleveland fits that role well but the Towns doing convoy escort with a couple of Destroyers or gunboats is much more suited for the role than a Cleveland.
Sure but so however etc etc is my favourite Sunday show.
Around the 32:35 mark you said "Edinburghs" instead of "Clevelands".
It should be noted that the Kingo class was the escorts fr the carrier forces, so they were in the area to begin with. My favorite AU is to go for go for boke and sent the Nagatos.
36:20 Holy crap, that's one hell of a bulge!
Indeed
@@Lgs260495 They look very similar to the tumblehome designs - would they have caused similar stability issues if penetrated?
I think it depends on how many compartments of the bulge were affected, but yes I think it would
I think many people wonder what the diagonal pipes along the sides of dreadnoughts are for. Could you make a video explaining what they are and how and why they were used. After a bit of effort in searching I discovered that they are for deploying anti-torpedo nets
Henry vs. Michael: I have always been fascinated by how much megalomania has influenced history, especially naval history, but not only. Is this a political post?...Yes! :)
Can you do an introduction on the IJN I-400 ?
YAMATO VS. THE GRAND FLEET!
Michael Blaszkiewicz - Yamato runs out of shells while sinking the battlecruisers & faster battleships & then “runs like hell”. If Yamato is accompanied by Musashi, the Grand Fleet has a VERY LONG day...
@@TraditionalAnglican I think just Yamato could force a withdrawal. The British wouldn't know how many shells they carried and watching that behemoth tear down the line would be a brown pants day.
Michael Blaszkiewicz - The Grand Fleet wouldn’t have been able to get away, as the slowest ships could only do 21 kn, which means the slower ones get sunk anyway. ATP, the Yamato could’ve “retired at speed” to see if the Brits pursued her & which ships could catch up to her, as they’d be the only ones who might actually be able to threaten her. But, you might be right - Chasing & catching the Yamato would be a suicide mission for those ships sent to pursue the Yamato, & the crews on these Battlecruisers would have seen it as such, especially after the first 18.1” shells hit one of them & blew it apart...
Once the BC’s start running away, the only question is, “Does the Yamato continue the onslaught? Or, Does she “retire at speed” & sink any fast pursuers?
The presence of the Musashi alongside of Yamato would almost insure the sinking of the Grand Fleet...
@@TraditionalAnglican maybe "withdrawal " was to kind, what I mean is run for your life. If the British scattered, then Yamato has to pick a single ship to chase. My point is that Yamato wins either way.
Yamato vs. USS Johnston..............Yamato runs like hell.
Some Fritz X's where wire guarded later on
Cleveland Vs Edinburgh - Which were disposed of quickly post-war due to having too much top-weight already and were difficult to upgrade due to this.
You're not wrong about the Clevelands being a problem design because of their top weight but a large part of their being removed from service relatively quickly had to do with the number of Baltimore-class cruisers available to cover the post war needs of the navy plus a few Fargo, Oregon City, Worscheter and Des Moines-class cruisers in commission or building as well. That was a luxury the post war Royal Navy didn't have. If the Admiralty had had a number of Neptune (1944) and Minotaur/Design-Z (1947) cruisers in commission or building, the surviving Town-class ships would probably have been placed in reserve shortly after the war as well.
Hey Drach, do you think you could do a video explaining the differences (adv and dis) between bow types, one day?
In re. T.C. Green's question. Don't neglect the development of air-dropped, acoustic and wake-following torpedoes.
00:42:53 Alba gu brath!!
Movement is life...
The surviving Gorgon class was offered to Norway after WW1 however she was rejected as the enormous bulges (RN modification) made her to wide for the Naval dockyard at the main base Horten.
The "Eidsvold" was subject to a surprise attack with torpedoes while the negotiator's boat was still in water.
Some later, The "Norge" fired several shots with her main and secondaries, however the targets could not been properly seen in the gun sights due to fog and snow. The Norw vessels were not properly manned, there were not crew for the QF 3 inch guns, and the gun turret commander in "Norge's" forward turret was not on-board, so another gunner had to do 2 men's job, which did not work out well (the forward turret only fired 1 shot).
When Americans go to England and try to use the word, 'Bloody' in conversation, they typically make fools of themselves. Likewise, be aware that most Americans do not use expletives in normal conversation like what is seen in the movies.
This guy does
Hi Drac, I’m just outside of Annapolis, MD.
If you plan to hit up Philadelphia, Baltimore, Annapolis, I’d love to meet up.
I can also offer up the ability to arrange private guided tours at either of the Smithsonian Air and Space museums.
Question on the ship design, I am assuming you are using SpringSharp but are you using version 1, 2, or 3. I still remember using Rick Robinson's version way back in the day and hearing about version 2. I am currently working with version 3.
The latest iteration of v3
The 15,000 ton Zumwalts that the US Navy calls "destroyers" strike me as a modern version of a tumble home desigh.
And the USN does admit that it's the first tumble home design in 100 years.
I never knew boob jobs were a feature of warships, man, those Norwegian emigrants!
37:00 weren't those bulges primarily to cut the ship's draft by providing more buoyancy, for shallow water coastal defense operations? Since, I imagine without them, the ship would have to sit way lower in the water, for its displacement.
Not so much, the ships were designed for shallow water Operations already, and alternations to the ships for British service cancelled out most of any buoyancy advantages they provided. :)
@@Drachinifel Thank you for the clarification Capt. Drach! o7
Q&A
Mogami class heavy cruisers vs Des Moines class heavy cruisers ^^
Mismatch in favour of the American ship.
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But the mogamis have torpedoes
@@animal16365 which are useful in a close-range ambush, not so useful in this situation.
Battle starts then ends Des Moines sales off with a reduced load of 8 inch shells as a whole lot of fish find a new reef.
Wouldn't air dropped torpedoes that were equipped with acoustic homing be able to be effective even when dropped at a considerable distance from the ship?
Considering the Dido's & Atlanta's were primarily for AA cover, why wouldn't they mount the B & C turrets lower, so just their guns, with a few inches of clearance when pointing straight forward at 0deg, just barely poked over each other, lowering the center of mass of the ship, considering the stability issues they had do to C turret being mounted so high up? I imagine the blast wave for ~5in guns could not be strong enough to effect the top of the turret roof, even with the thinnest of armor.
The follow on to Atlanta Class, the Juneau Class (the second one, CL- 119) and the Worchester Class did almost exactly that, except more drastically. The Juneaus had the 2 closest to the ends turrets on the weather deck.
@@AtomicBabel I was thinking about them still being able to fire all three turrets dead ahead. It seems like the original designers put an emphasis on keeping that ability.
Looks like the designers and with user feedback, decided that having the ability to fire all forward turrets directly forward at short range targets to not be that necessary. Also could be that it was not very tactically useful and worth the tradeoff in topside weight and moment.
Great video as always but an odd question many might think is stupid. Frequently you will describe anti aircraft battery as something like 30 50 cal machine guns and 10 20 mm cannons what is the difference between gun and cannon. See the same when aircraft armaments are described
@ Mike Cegekski, I've read that guns 13mm and over are considered cannons and under that they are machine guns
I've managed to forget how to get into the Drachinifel room at Discord. How about some help, please....
There should be an invite link in the video description :)
@@Drachinifel Thank you, sir. Just wanted to let you know that USS Texas started repairs 26 August, with no projected completion date. If you decide to visit the USS Alabama in Mobile, let me know.
One question that I can't quite understand, how does the square rigs work? I understand triangular rigs work like wings on a aircraft but the square rigs seems to not work the same way to me.
Hi Are battleship main battery shells ever sub sonic?
Why aren't results of design competition appearing on youtube channel?
I don't follow discord, so I only hear about these competitions starting and ongoing, but *never* do I see the results...
The previous competition was showcased on a Drydock episode, as will this one and the upcoming one.
I saw the finalist displayed on dry dock
The big question about Guadocanal was, why did the japanese fought at Guadocanal instead of the North Si of New Guinea. It lions like chosing the Emelies planefield.
They didn't have much of a choice. The reason the Allies even went to Guadalcanal, was because the Japanese were building an airfield there. If completed, it could threaten the supply lines going to Australia, and have coverage over the Coral Sea. Also, the Solomon's guarded the flank of New Guinea, and the major Japanese base at Rabaul. So, whoever controlled the Solomon's, controlled New Guinea.
Has anyone noticed the similarity between the USS Zumwalt and the CSS Virginia? (what goes round around comes around)
You only have to think back to the Falklands to the Exocet to remember for every attack there is a defence until someone thinks of a new attack method Its why Weapon sales underpin Rich Nations
The US had the Tarzon (not Tarzan) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-A-1_Tarzon which was a Tallboy with a guidance package. The teething troubles could have been worked out, but the USAF wanted to concentrate on A-bombing.
not necessarily about ships themselves but related to ships. drach and many other sources have mentioned north atlantic is much rougher compared to the pacific. but why is that?
Light cruises Letye Gulf
What do you think about an hypotetical fight between a Littorio class and a King George V class?and btw what do you think about the Carracciolo class of battlecruisers of the italian navy if they were built?
Ooh thay would be an interesting fight if both sides have working ammo. The Italians are faster and pack more firepower, but the British ship probably is a bit more durable.
As per the Edinburgh vs Cleveland, which is the better cruiser, your expert analysis pretty much puts them at 6 of one , 1/2 dozen of the other. But your review of their extensive weaponry wasn't completely thorough. You forgot about the officer's sidearms, the Americans carried the Colt 1911 in .45 acp with a 7 round magazine, whilst the British officer's carried the Webley revolver in .38 caliber with a 6 round cylinder, although the hammer usually rested on an empty chamber. I'd have to say the tie breaker goes to the Cleveland.
But an argument can be made for Edinburgh in that everyone gets a daily tot of rum.
Hmmmm, still sort of a tie.
Why did scientific design become the prevailing method of developing a ship’s design?
Poor batch testing of British AP shells continued until 1944 I believe, and in this system up to 70% of faulty ordinance stood an even chance of being accepted. One can only assume that poor quality stocks were being ignored and that the problem would somehow disappear. Whether this is due to budgetary constraints or political ones is any ones guess. Perhaps they didn't want to waste them??
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Edinburgh or Cleveland? not really a fair comparison.
Carrot type ships? :3
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Darn I'm not first lol
It's not Dee Doe … It's Dido (Die Doe)
Get it right … please
Are we talking about ships or recording artists?
Ships.
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Hey will you see the texas? I'll meet you and buy you lunch or something. ;-)