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0:00 Intro
0:19 HQ's
15:02 Troops
18:31 Elites
29:54 Fast Attack
35:37 Heavy Support
37:44 Flyers
38:48 Overview
I am gonna put Bjorn in C tier.
Bjorn: didn't I carry your ass 5/0 in the last gauntlet?
Bjorn : "i'm joke for you JonP?" for me, a minimum A tier...
@@dracodelcaosherrera6861 A at least
tbf Bjoorn was rolling real hot. Pretty sure he got 9 out of ten melta shots to go through onto the opponents armour. and he got nice damage rolls on trueclaw.
I'd still put Bjorn in B tier, He gives Captain re-roll without taking up the slot. You can give him lieutenent re-roll with wisdom, his damage can be swingy but he offers a credible threat in melee.
You could probably use him to babysit some redemptors, contemptors or long fangs.
Bjorn is slowly making his way back up for me haha. FWIW we filmed this before the gauntlet episode.
@@JoeNathanYa I figured as much, just seeing you put the old man in C after the curb stomping he gave made me go WTF? I still say A but arguments can be made for B.
take a shot everytime I say "solid"
I’m to drunk to taste this chicken.
but what if I'm too drunk to find more alcohol?!
"The causlties suffered by an Imperial Guard Regiment are nothing compared to the suffering of a Space Wolves Liver"-Rogal Dorn and Myself after attempting this
Pin this comment dammit
You mean alcohol poisoning
Bjorn doesn't take a Captain slot, he has the reroll but not the Captain/Wolf Lord keyword
ooof, yup thats right. My bad
Chaos Space Marines next - FOR THE DARK GODS
That would be really cool but unfortunately none of them play chaos space marines
And would be better to wait for the new codex
I play chaos and i can sadly say almost everything is c or b tier, they.....actually sucks really ,until the next codex. The only viable way to run it its World eaters or maybe black legión ,the rest sucks.
@@zurmanskyplayer9058 Has anyone been playing home brew games with CSM and adding additional wounds?
@@timothywillox8564 I don't think so, most new feature in that faction I've been seeing be played its fabius creations, nothing else
As someone just getting into the hobby these are great to learn about all the different armies. Have you guys thought of at the end giving a quick run down of a general play style and a way to play against the faction of the vid? Keep up the good work all
02:25 Bjorn does NOT take up a captain slot. You can still run a captain/wolf lord together with Bjorn because he does not have the captain/wolf lord or chapter master keyword. 22:36 Murderfang can still reroll charges and he is a character so due to look out sir missing an invuln does hurt but not that much. 29:40 Ven dreads can also be equipped with shield and axe/claw have a better bs/ws of 2+ and are core but they have the con of 2 inches less movement and don't have built in reroll charges
Also dont ven dreads get a 6+ fnp
@@RunAzazelRun that is correct but 6+++ is so once in a blue moon. Main factor is that they are core, can use wisdom of the ancients and the better WS compared to wulfen dreads
@@togashigr11 it is pretty helpful for them cus they have a decent amount of wounds. But Wulfen Dreads are alot cheaper, so point for point they are more durable and hit harder.
Only a minor point, but if ven dread takes a shield it can only have axe. The Wulfen dread can take a shield and claw.
@@tardigrade8019 Cheaper yes, Hit harder not really. They don't benefit from constant assault doctrine like regular wulfen infantry does, have worse weapon skill, are excluded from wisdom of the ancients and as they are not core wulfen can't benefit from rerolls to hit/wound, litanies, chapter master buff. So the ven dread hits harder but I agree is more expensive and a tad slower
great video. just one rules issue Logan on Stormrider is chariot and not infantry so he can't benefit from cover supplied by area terrain or obstacles
also i want to note that my opinion of Bjorn has changed a bit. Being able to give off a 9 inch reroll hit and wounds auras with Wisdom of the Ancients is pretty damn good. SOLIDLY in the B-tier
Hey, I'm curious where you would put primaris battle leader with MC power axe and special issue bolt carbine? It's not a unique HQ to Space Wolves but only SW can take that specific weapon loadout.
@@terratheterribl I think he's alright. I'd place him somewhere in the C tier. Pretty cheap at around 80 pts. Decent gun that can kill 3 2 wound models and a reroll wound rolls of 1 aura. You can give him the armor of russ to give him a 4++/fight last
@@JoeNathanYa thanks! My friend adores his and refuses to part with it as his warlord lol.
@@terratheterribl nice! it is a pretty damn cool model. I actually converted mine and gave him a thunderhammer, storm shield, and a jump pack
Is it me or does JonP look way more confident in front of the camera ? Very cool video nonetheless! :)
Really enjoyed the video. The second army I'm building is actually Space Wolves, so this list helps me out a lot. Keep up the great work, you dudes
Do Dark Angels! Looking at you Dameki!
These videos are such good source info for the game. Really enjoy watching them. Hope you do more. Would love to see a white scars video.
oh man, ive been waiting for this one! Space wolves for life!
I was wondering how you guys would do the Space Marine tier lists, glad to see a nice way you did it :D
I love how all the creativity games workshop had for names died with the space wolfs units
Wolf wolves
There’s like eight things called Castellans, let’s not pretend they’re good at coming up with names.
I would say eradicators are S because you can take a multi-melta and heavy melta rifles for conaistency and pop keen senses to not give a damn, still cool vid tho :)
wow this codex has more HQ's than most armies has units.
When I first tried to make a raven guard list (from usually playing space wolves) I thought something when wrong when I could only find one named HQ
The Space Wolves are very character heavy. It's awesome but does make it difficult to decide what to put into lists.
Ah, that good Space Wolves content. It's what got me to come to the channel and probably why I'm still here 😅
The entire chapter and all of its successors : F tier
That dishonorable dog Russ: below F tier
- a Thousand Sons magister
Man Space Wolves are super badass. Thanks for this.
Murderfang still has the re roll to charges due to murder maker ability
Correct.
watching this while building my second squad of grey hunters. Feels bad man
Jon P. Venerable Dreadnoughts can take a Great Axe and Blizzard Shield in Space Wolves. So, 4++ when hits on 2+ (even when -1 to hit) and a 6+++. WAY better than a Wulfen dreadnought. And did I mention that it's also Core. So, C-tier, while the Wulfen dread is A-tier. Really?
Cant wulfen dreads take a shield and a frost axe ?
@@leighbrown5430 no, unfortunately
@@VuPham-fv9oz Are you sure ? because its a loadout on battlescribe .
@@leighbrown5430 They can, but the only hit on a 3+ natively (not 2+), don't have a 6+++, can't do actions (not so big since it's a vehicle) and are NOT core. While the Ven dread has/is all of that for not many more points and both can take the same loadouts.
I would like it if you have an even more zoomed in full tier list on screen during the overview.
Doesn't the wolf lord on thunderwolf already have an invul from belt of russ?
Funny thing about Ragnar, I've got a friend who actively (perhaps foolishly) seeks to beat my Ragnar in melee. Always ends up losing whatever is thrown at him and ends up shooting Ragnar to kill him
Lets go ultramarine tier list ;) GoGo roboute guilliman bois
Space Wolves are superb, great video thanks for sharing this
Taking a shot every time a unit has the word "wolf" in its name and dying of alcohol poisoning like Leman Russ intended
Always appreciate a dope tier list! Solid arguments for the units 🤘
This is EXACTLY what i needed as i build my 9th-compliant Redmaw Company
Whilst I find this immensely interesting and informative, I didn't come here to watch a video about primaris marines. I think this video would be better if it just focused on the space wolf units, especially since lore wise the spaces wolves dislike primaris marines and barely have any in their ranks. (Or at least that was the case last I checked)
I really like your outro music please never change it
Good and helpful video! Grey Hunters are good. Joe hunter gets as many melee attacks as Joe intercessor but gets that chainsword AP. Free chainswords for hunters. Plus hunters can take some plasma weapons and two heavy hitting melee weapons. One for wolfguard and one for pack leader. And there are many options for transporting hunters unlike intercessors.
My two cents is that I think content like this generally works better with two presenters. One in the role of "subject matter expert" and one as "commentator". Even if you only have one Space Wolves player the other person on camera can talk about how it feels playing against it or ask questions on behalf of people unfamiliar with faction mechanics.
This is super helpful! Also I appreciate the space wolves color coordination with your hat and jacket/hoodie🍻 intentional or not haha
Can a Space Wolf army running Harald Deathwolf and Canis Wolfborn be competitive? Can a mostly wolfy army list be competitive? What would you add to Harald and Canis to make them effective?
Lukas is a surpringly good model imo. He gives himself rerolls to hit b/c he's a bloodclaw so he's 80 points that rerolls everything with a 2d weapon. I haven't found the perfect use for him, but I sometimes run a bike chap with aura of majesty and it's pretty easy to keep the bloodclaws he's supporting in the 9 leadership bubble (and keep the chap away from Lukas's leadership debuff).
I have put Bjorn in the A tier list. My Bjorn has done some extra ordinary things in almost every game.
Combine him with a techmarine and 2 company vets with stormshields. He can use the strat that allows him too heroicly intervene 6inches giving him the ability too protect some boys, 9 inch re-roll hit rolls of 1 (and wound rolls of 1 with wisdom of the ancients) and since he has less then 9 wounds and is a character then he can't be targeted with ranged weapons as long as he has company vets with him
It's Wolf time! Woof Woof Woof!!!
YES my Chad wolf bois
also, murderfang being a character, is affected by canticle of hate litany. So Mvt 8", charge 2d6+2", always rerolling.
Bjorns story is so sad. Also for my Wolf Guard I made my pack leader. Dual wield melee wepons and if you run a successor chapter and still want the berserk charge you just need to have the inheritors of the primarch chapter tactic and choose space wolves
must be cold in that room
Hell yeah, thank you JonP, I've been waiting for this one
seems like all the c tier and below units are destined to kick gum and chew ass in gauntlet
In 9th edition what are the troop requirements you have to have to field an army? Can you have more than 2 HQ's?
tbh, incursors are a bit better due to ignore bs modifiers and cover.
They also have a -1 ap in melee which synergies better with sw
I love my Thunderwolf Cavalry
If you guys are doing a Space Wolves list, I want to see a Blood Angels tier list
I'd make the arguement that the Hounds of Morkai are significantly worse than your placement on your list for the reason that they are an Elite choice. As a wolves player, you have to know how quickly you will fill your Elites slot, so the Hounds trying to fight for that posistion isn't doing them an favors. Tag onto that their extremely niche abilities and you have a unit that only performs well in 1 or 2 particualr situations, as opposed to Bladeguard or Wolfguard Termies, which are solid all around. Additionally, for 10pts less you can use Agents of the Imperium and bring the Anti-Psycher Assasin, who is argueably better than the Hounds (while also saving an Elites slot). The Hounds are maybe bottom of C tier to D tier at best, and reliant on a meta that realistically doesn't exist anywhere.
The meta exists in my store.
Bjorn is one of the best units in our Chapter period.
I've never played TTRPG nor do I plan to regardless love the episodes and Space Wolves. I play Warhammer Combat Cards and Logan Grimnar and Njall Stormborn are also great over there.
Warhammer is a wargame, not an RPG.
Ork tier list please my wife wants it.
He did the intercessors, inceptors and infiltrators, why not the rest of the gang as supressors, aggressors, invictors, swiftclaws, and whatever they are all called. I guess maybe he has not used them. Anyways, I am intrigued at adding a whirlwind to have even more fight last and to be able to reach out and touch things like repentia and wytches when they are out of their transports and hiding.
Feel like WGBL on Thunderwolf should be higher since you can take 2 of them for 1 slot
Blood claws in drop pod with Lukas.
Have done
So much fun
Thxs for the SW breakdown, helps out a lot
My brother used his stormfang and alpha strikes my knight valiant (28 wounds) in one round, their fire power with the melta arrays is nuts
I think your tier list is a little off in some places, but I also might be biased because there aren’t enough Space Wolf specific models placed higher up. I hate what warhammer has done with their new troops... it’s like “oh you want to play space wolves, or any other chapter with cool unique units? Ok just don’t use any of their chapter specific models if you want to be top tier competitive!” I refuse! Bjorn is my warlord, I keep my Dread-wolves (1 Space Wolf Venerable with axe and shield, one with auto cannons and fist, 1 normal dread with auto cannons and lascannons) I keep Arjac, I keep my grey hunters (give them bolt guns and chain swords), I keep my wulfen, I run Murderfang, etc. I’m going to play Space Wolves with actual Space Wolves. Space Wolves are meant to shoot you on their way to punch you, example - I run Wolf Guard Terminators with storm bolters and thunder hammers lol
Thoughts on Aggressors in Space Wolves ?
Came to the comments to ask that question
Don’t agree with storm wolf being low tier. It is expensive in 9th but you can drop a full blood claw unit with Lucas like with the drop ship and then do some hit and run with default load out for some extra dps and split enemy attention. I wouldn’t run more than 1 unless it’s a bigger game (over 2000 pts) but it can play a strong role. I would have put in high C tier. Would be a B with the previous point cost
Have they downgraded the Wolf Priests/Ulrik the Slayer into basic Chaplains, instead of cross Chaplain/Apothecaries? If that's the case, does that mean that Space Wolves now get access to Apothecaries?
Great apart from the 5 seconds spent on ven dread lol
Don't forget that Bjorn is a charater which means it can not be shooted as long as it is within 3" some friend units which is hide behind the terrain.
I bought the combat patrol for Space wolves... I think I missed it. Where does the Invictor Tactical Warsuit rank? And Primaris Reivers?
The tactical war suit isn’t in the codex and he basically said that the reivers are a niche thing so I think he put them at b. They basically lower leadership. I just bought the same pack. The warsuit is the only thing that looks good to me
I equip my skyclaws with meltas (the ones I can) and the pack leader with a combi melta. In the last game I had they wiped my opponent's armor as they left it unguarded, their quite handy if your opponent hasn't seen them before. Otherwise useless as they will die in one turn.
Wolf lord (captain) on bike or jump pack with hunter is really strong, much faster than thunderwolf, and is a solid alternative
I disagree with the Incursors vs. Infiltrators. I think the 12" deny is a bit situational for the Wolves, as you mostly WANT the enmy close. Plus Incursors ignore cover while pewpewing....and have -1 AP in melee. Incursors are my first choice.
Bladeguard Vets are overrated, as are the Eradicators. They will get focused hard, and I agree they underperform. A-tier on paper, B-C on the battlefield is my take.
WOlves rock (at least currently, but don't they kinda always? ;-)
You made a mistake with Murderfang's charge rolls. He actually does get to re-roll his charges, which is huge for him. It's in his data sheet in 9th edition. I run him in my Space Wolves army most of the time.
How are there allready old primaris dreadnaught? These guys must suck so hard to get massacred that early on duty.
i mean being a primaris doesn't exclude you from the possibility of death, and let's not forget the fact the space wolves are very much a YOLO melee chapter
how strong is the indomitus captain with reluc shield for space wolf?
What is the unit in S tier before wolf guard terminator??????
Finally! I've been waiting for this
Venerable Dreadnaughts can take the blizzard shields, axes, and claws. 2+ws so axe cleave hits on 2s and has a 5+ FNP and smoke launches. Only move 6 whereas Wulfen dreads are 8 though
How much special units do they have?? Hope they do this for every chapter (loyal or chaos) once in the coming years...
Can you put a Rune Priest on a bike?
Did you not like Eliminators, Suppressors, Aggressors, or the Bladeguard Ancient? Or did you just miss them?
Lukas' pelt is like transhuman but for the hit roll, not the hit roll.
Also he does get the re-roll from his own aura, as it procks off his Blood Claw keyword.
You can literally load a venerable out like a wulfen its just better idk how you ranked wulfen dread higher when a venerable can do same but +2 +2 and a built in fnp
*pumping fists*
WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF
Do blood angels next
yes! i have been waiting for this!
Tier list of chapter masters and their champions
Why dont you have a link for your tier list here??
This list makes me question whether you actually play Space Wolfs.
The access to marines codex was neat but it came with the cost of loosing the fenrisian identity of the wolves :"(
I really like bricky, but here is a warning. When the SoB tier list comes and our glorious saint isn't on the top of S Tier, heretics gonna burn. Saint Celestine for Saint Tier.
I kind of don’t understand why people put models with slow movement low on tier list
Bjorn doesn’t have captain key word you can field him and another captain and use wisdom of ancients I think is name of stratagem to give reroll 1 on hit and wound rolls
Which rule causes Bladeguard Vets to hit on 2+ when they are Space Wolves?
if all models from your army are in the space wolves chapter, your whole army gets 2 buffs. 1: +1 to hit in melee if charged, was charged at or heroicly intervened and 2: All your units can do an heroic intervention as if they were characters. The +1 to hit buff makes most elites hit on 2+ in melee. Space marines codex p.94
@@karlvallerand1004 Ahhh^^ Hunters Unleashed... didn't find that in the Space Wolves Codex Supplement cause it's in the original Space Marine Codex. Thx mate ;)
cen you make a tou tier list?
Blood Angels Tier List now
Chaos Space Marines next
Where the suppressors at mann
Ven dred can also take blizzard shield, and have fnp 6+++
any thoughts on heavy intercessors?
I see lots of wolves in my future
do tuosand sons next
I feel Murderfang and Bjorn should of been placed higher as they are Characters and can be screened with lookout sir
Also Santas slay (grimar on rider) should be lower as it can be sniped out with any anti tank and cannot be screened.
Otherwise pretty good, Maybe putting the rating after talking about the unit and having the ratings display for a few extra seconds so we may see it
Makes him even better soaking up the fire from the snipers. He'd take all their fire plus smash a great attack in here and there.
@@peterpanman266 but how many players outside of killteam even take snipers in enough quantity and/or quality to kill a marine leader?