does anybody realize that Cole has no sleeves and yet they are in a frozen cold world how does bro even not react to cold until he goes up the moutain or goes to the town
A 30 episode ice chapter where every arc is fully explored would be great, but I also think if the story was more focused and better paced 15 episodes would be enough (even with keeping the filler). the odd split season thing tho does really negatively impact the finales of both chapters.
I would’ve been cool with this: Season 11 should’ve been the Ice Chapter Season 12 should’ve been the Fire Chapter Season 13 should’ve been Prime Empire Season 14 should’ve been Master of the Mountain Season 15 should’ve been Seabound 5 seasons for exploring each elemental master and the finale for Lloyd would be a finale special for me being a fusion of The Island/Crystalized.
Pretty strange that in season 9, Lloyd was fine with Mystake revealed to be an Oni & had no trust issues towards her for that, but in season 11 he’s untrusting of Akita for hiding the fact she was a Formling
@@ryanntemgwa8805Yeah, but when Lloyd and Jay go to visit Mistake in season 8 to get told the story, Lloyd greets her as one would a friend. He’s known her for ages, versus Akita he’s only known for a couple days.
Well, if I had a nickel for every 30 episode season that was hated by a lot of fans, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened both times that there were 30 episode long seasons with 11 minute long episodes.
Honestly, I don't mind Akita kissing on the cheek as kisses doesn't always equal relationship, but yeah there's some obvious romance in that kiss. and also, in either situation it seems a bit quick due to how they acted towards each other during the main part of the season. I'm actually upset they didn't bring back Akita and some of the others in this installment but maybe just maybe they'll bring some of them back in Dragons Rising? I have my doubts, but I also have my hopes
One thing I really hate about the 11 minute episodes are those weird as hell 2D animated episodes. They look so bad and out of place. I’m so glad those are gone with dragons rising
The only one that was good was the Akita backstory and only the Akita backstory episode because well she is an interesting character and giving her a backstory told through an episode makes sense but they didn’t do it in the normal animation style just the weird anime looking style like the ice emperor backstory was done in the normal animation style so why not do it for the Akita backstory.
The ice chapter has a weirdly large amount of similarities to the narnia books of all things. The unending winter, the weird time diffrence, and even the person our protagonists are looking for being forced to be evil under someone elses rule. I don't know if I'm the only one seeing this because it feels like a really weird thing for ninjago to get inspiration from
It reminded me of Japanese mythology where there's a land of snow and ice with people called Oina who could shapeshift into wolves. There's even two demon owls in the story and there's an own in the season attacking them.
Ice chapter has such a rushed ass ending and yet they had to add 2 terrible filler episodes with "kaiju protocol" and "the absolute worst". Just what were the writers smoking.
the concept of the ninja being able to tap into other elements is such a cool ands its a shame this and the future seasons didnt really do anything with the idea cuz it could have really made the wildbrain seasons stand out by giving them their own major lore shake up like elemental powers and realms or the oni and dragon lore, and adding to that the concept of the ninja all going to places and facing enemies that put them in the best position to develop each of their powers and learn about what else can they do with them it could have made for some really interesting stories
A topic that is interesting and never explored is the entire Never-realm. Remember how the whole point of it's existance is that it's so dangerous and you can't get out of it? Welp, look at this: without Zane's rule it was just a nice winter realm with nice people living here and there. Giant animals? I mean sure, Ninjago realm have giant snakes but big bird is more scary i suppose. Even damn Yeti are friendly here. Traveller's tea doesn't work? Welp, every kid knows about traveller's berries that will do the trick. Sooooooo, what's the issue FSM had? It was so nice of a place he barely defeated his temptations to stay in there? Different time? Well it goes different in there but as it shown it doesn't matter because it's just you feeling years there... Wait no, ninja did not felt like years there. Zane been sent there one day and went through decades by next morning, but for ninja it seems completely fine? Sooo time travel was part of Aspheera's spell or... And yeah, never explained or ever brought up ever again. That's what's the most i dislike about Never-realm, the realm itself. It has pointless build up and is complete mess.
Tommy said Asphera pulled some time travel shenanigans (since her plan was to strike Wu, I guess she was hoping he’d be long gone by the time the ninja tried to find him)
The time travel thing is mostly coherent, except for the fact that Akita and Kataru lived for more than 60 years and nonetheless they're still teenagers/young adults. Tommy said that Formlings age differently than humans, but in my headcanon I hypothesized that maybe their village was attacked by the Ice Emperor around 50 years after his enthronement.
Akitas ending is kinda bad. At first she doesnt care about that Zane is the Ice Emperor but the second Kataru apears she leaves him alone. All her trauma and damage to her people? GONE! What changed why would she still not want revenge? If you think about its exactly whats wrong with Harumis ending in Crystalized
8:00 Yes, that's one possibility. However we know that in general elemental powers exist everywhere, not just Ninjago. Examples are The Cloud Kingdom (Euphrasia) and Imperium (Sora and Zeatrix), so there is a chance that Elemental Masters exist in the Never Realm too It is very possible that the First Spinjitsu Master's entry in the Never Realm influenced the inhabitants in many possible ways
2 of those examples are from the merge though which was a very unique event (euphrasia's is also 100% connected to ninjago) the only elemental master who's powers exist independently from ninjago related stuff is zeatrix and that could change if we ever get more lore on her element on why her family has it
You know, something I'd really like to know is how did you guys feel about the revelation that Zane was the ice emperor? People told me months before I watched the season that Zane became the ice emperor so I knew it from the beginning when I started watching this season so I don't know how I would have felt about it if I hadn't known. So for those of you who watched this season without spoilers how did it make you feel?
@@LimitWISI was only 11 when the season came out, so I wasn’t really connecting the dots, which is why it was surprising for me personally. If I watched it for the first time now, I probably would’ve figured it out
@@Shaia_TeamLCEyeah i was also pretty young then, it's cause akita's story of her being very young while the ice emperor was around didn't add up for me since there was no indication of time working differently
Vecx is the real villen behind it all he wiped zane's memories and made zane think he was the ice emperor because sometimes a ending is a new beginning
The "remember who you are" is actually meant for the writers, as they need to remember that nya originally was samurai x and beating the ninja at their own game with zero powers to boot
Knowing that there was a time skip, and that time works differently, it could have really played into this idea that the ice chapter was only like 10 mins long in Ninjago City time.
Awesome video, never hated this chapter only disappointed by its ending and lack of zane aftermath there is but this video made me realize HOW messy the ice chapter is still enjoyable ninjago for me tho!
I frankly really enjoyed this chapter. Might be a mix of the nature/animals and frozen wintery setting which are some of my favorite things in shows and games. Also akitas music is awesome to just listen to it. Also zane bias
I’d actually argue that the Akita scene is somewhat in character for Lloyd. Lloyd has previously been irrationally angry due to the association of previous trauma, and then pushed it aside for something else; resolving to aid that person. In S4, when his father is announcing that he’ll literally sacrifice himself to save everyone, Lloyd gets mad. He is wrong of course, because there’s not much else they can do to stop the Anecondrai, but the reason why he was mad was because of the fear of losing his father. He was after all, abandoned by his mother; his father stayed in the dark realm for longer than he needed to, and then proceeded to push him away knowing that he and Lloyd would need to fight one day despite both of them not wanting to. Furthermore, Lloyd also spent a good deal of time fighting which resulted in the resolution of Garmadon and Lloyds’ loneliness parallel ending with Lloyd not becoming evil, but instead being able to remove the evil addiction within Garmadon. Then, fighting the Anecondrai helps Lloyd push aside his anger and return to his father so he can give his farewell. His previous lash out happened because of how heavily associated Garmadon is with his fear of being alone caused by abandonment, and also because all that he had fought for was gonna be wasted. But he still managed to resolve himself after spending 30 seconds taking his anger out and having flashbacks. When someone kept up a façade for so long around Lloyd, it resulted in his father beating him, which in turn lead to an ally of his being killed. So he gets irrationally angry at Akita. But then decides to push it aside, once he sees her struggling to walk. I don’t really think these two scene are necessarily completely the same in terms of the quality of showing us this behavior. Lloyd had developed so much since S4 so it can be frustrating to see all of that time spent together didn’t help him work through such things. But it can also be seen as somewhat realistic, as we all make mistakes and fall into lapses. And I don’t like how dramatic Lloyd is here. In the S4 scene he gave us like 2 sentences showcasing his anger. In this scene he has a full break-down despite it being a way less dire situation.
Thank you so much for this Bendo, for so long I've had issues with season 11 but had a hard time pinning them down. You hit almost every problem I had with it masterfully. This was a great video. I know it's heresy in the Ninjago community to say anything's worse than Crystalized but this has always been my least favourite season (both Fire and Ice chapters) and I'm glad people are at least calling out its flaws so that Ninjago can improve later on.
I do agree with this being worse than crystalized at least crystalized has better animation and better fights while the ice chapter has okay fights with decent animation
It's funny how a lot of people initially thought the fire chapter was the worst one and the ice chapter was good, but in hindsight, the reason people said that is because the fire chapter was such a mess that they didn't realize the flaws of the ice chapter. There was so much potential in this season!
10:05 I mean... Why not? Every single time elemental masters discover/re-discover their powers it's with at least a tiny build up and in the end it happens suddenly. Examples are all of the true potentials, The Spinjitsu burst and Lloyd's regain of powers at the end of Season 9
all of the moments you mention work really well because they act as payoff for those characters stories and struggles they had to work through. Unlocking their powers symbolizes them overcoming their previously established struggles which is what makes it feel earned and satisfying. With Kai it pretty much just boils down to him feeling useless without powers, and then getting them back without overcoming that in any way. To me it just doesn't feel earned.
Thought the years of the 11 minute seasons it has really made me notice that the seasons should had focused on the side character in the season instead of the ninja with the exception on seasons 13 and 14 the other seasons should’ve focused on the side character because the writers clearly wanted to do it but then they remember that they only have 11 minutes and 16 episodes so they give the side character a rushed storyline to focus on the ninja and the villain I know this has nothing to do with the video but really the writers were trying to do to much and it ended with disappointment or failure.
Jay is trapped in The Administration and The Administration/The Administrator just wants him to do paperwork but Jay gets distracted and wants to do other things. I know Ninjago will always be a friendship TV show. But this is possibility right? I mean he is a BLANK SLATE. He has nothing but his NAME. HE does know his language, but he does not know everything. He is literally an AI that wants to be free.
My personal idea for years ever since like Possession is that the Elements of Creation (i.e the OG Ninja) are capable of using all the other elements because they are the original powers. It's how I explained Jay using Wind that one time in Season 1 to myself lmao
With nyas very loose control of ice it very literally NEVER appears again also if there is one good thing from ice chapter is Akita’s theme which is really good (in my personal opinion)
No wonder I didn’t hate Harumi’s “redemption” as much. THEY LITERALLY DID THE SAME THING WITH ZANE AND I WASN’T BOTHERED! AND THEY DID IT IN THE SAME YEAR AS A “REDEMPTION” THAT I DESPISE
Note: there are spoilers One thing I noticed this season is that the clothes are the same from beginning to end, they don't change clothes or put on a really fuzzy coat, like in season 5, which isn't halfway through the season when the 4 ninjas go to the cloud kingdom to get the sword that predicts future actions.
you don’t understand man, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve faced struggles or adversity that I was able to beat simply by sitting and waiting until the third act 😆
The Hagemans always believed in the stories they could tell and believed in the potential of their young audience to handle real stakes and drama. The Wildbrain writers are more interested in keeping kids attention than leaving an impact on the world
I will say, just quickly, that Nya's "ice powers" do kinda make sense, it was just poorly explained. Zane's ice powers generates ice, he literally creates it. Nya, on the other hand, manipulates it. Again, this distinction is poorly explained, or not even explained, but it is definitely a relevant aspect to explaining how this even makes sense. Also, I have a huge rewrite for Season 11 planned, so this video is super helpful, especially because most of my targeted fixes are in the fire chapter. I will say some of my changes for Kai's arc perfectly addressed your criticisms, with him learning to use his sword more to achieve results (and actually defeat Asphera), then discarding it once his powers half-return, and finally using it in an attempt to attack Boreal in a weak spot on his head, upon which he not only regains his fire powers but also unlocks the ability to create a flaming sword. So, yeah this video is great. EDIT: I definitely think you're overlooking a few things with Lloyd and Akita's stories. Namely how Lloyd's outburst is mischaracterised intentionally because he isn't acting as himself, he is instead acting out of a place of trauma. And it takes his true, kind nature to actually pull him out of his trauma response. Seeing Akita's injury brings out his true self, so I'd argue a lot of what you're complaining about in this scene was intentional by the writers to show both Lloyd's trauma and who he truly is as a person. Also, saying Akita doesn't challenge any viewpoints is just wrong because that's literally half of what she does for Lloyd, helps him trust more. Was it rushed?? Yes, but it was still there and shouldn't be ignored in criticism.
i like the ice chapter but the ice emperor zane stuff never being mention again was disaponting sure it sole in the quest for the lost powers book sure that was great but i wish it was in the show but i did like cole and krag and lloyd and akita even do it stared the downfall of lloyd well until dragons rising
@@Crusty783I think we all should learn that our opinions matter all of our do and we should respect that yes it's obviously but some people don't get it and crusty thanks for being awesome and for being chill
Every day I think about how much missed potential this season had. Honestly, I really want to rewrite it but... I dunno how good that would be. I just want this season to have a better ending because I personally enjoyed it quite a bit. I could go on a whole rant about Zane's character as a whole and how I think Ninjago is sort of failing him but I won't :3 (Please Dragons Rising i'm trusting you with my LIFE don't screw him up)
Some good points. Yes, for me, the whole thing with Zane was just weird. Or like with any corruption story in Ninjago other than Garmadon....it has always bugged me that he gets so much heat in the story, and told he's 'evil' all the time, and even when that's not actually true....Yeah, of course he did bad things especially in the oni trilogy. But First he was cursed, as a child no less, not his fault. Then, he was brought back from the departed realm by someone else, also not his fault. But he is consistently told all the wrong he did, and people being angry with him. Then he cannot possibly do enough, and has to sacrifice himself to make things right, which ironically led to his next corruption. But Ice emperor Zane? Gets no such considerations. Is not held to any standards, and nothing is gone into any more detail to give it some depth, or character building. As you said, it's as if nothing happened at all, and it makes no sense! The Zane we all know would be riddled with guilt over it, despite it not really being his fault, at the very least. And I'm not saying I want Zane to get berated for it, but this huge imbalance of how they treat similar situations just is really frustrating to me. Every single character that had been turned bad at some point, (Nya, Wu, Zane, etc) it's just instantly forgotten, but Garmadon, even if he tries his best to be good, or flat out helps them, no, he's just evil, and everyone is angry at him. Then, they tried to redeem one of the most evil of all, Harumi? Lloyd makes every excuse under the sun for her, hardly gets upset at her, even while she's trying to murder all his friends again?? But then he's so angry at his father instead, who is technically another victim. Just, yikes. It's like their morality is all mixed up. I still enjoyed season 11, and I actually like the humour, and more lighthearted. But as you said, it needs to be a healthy mix also, and make sense. There are things that simply don't make sense. I also couldn't help feeling that when Kai got his powers fully back again, I thought that was really cool, how his eyes glowed, and all of it. I almost wish that happened every time they used their powers. But what also was disappointing to me, is how he never really seems to have that level of power again in the series. So we are just to believe it happened when his powers were in essence, 'reactivated'? It would be so cool if he reached some kind of new potential. But no, it's just straight back to normal.
I think the most disepointing thing about this season is it’s supposed to be zane focused season so we can think finally zane gonna have some elemental power devlopement but it’s just the scroll who gave him all the power I thought for the final we could have some big zane mastering ice moment but not
Great video as always man! In my opinion I'm not a huge fan of this season (mainly because of the filler and Asphera). however, I always preferred the Ice Chapter slightly over the Fire Chapter.
I do agree with everything basically but I still kinda enjoy this season. It's very middle of the road for me. Amazing video as always bendo still the best ninjago RUclipsr in my opinion.
I really dislike season 11 as a whole. I think both the fire and ice chapters are both equally terrible. Vex is also easily the worst villain in the entire show. I don’t even remember he exists 85% of the time. And him getting off completely Scott free after everything he did is so infuriating. This is also the season where Jay started to get really flanderized. Before crystallized, this was my least favorite season. The most interesting thing about this season is how it’s given us our first and only look into the departed realm
Bro committed genocide on like 5 different races and all they did was kick him out. I get that the Never-realm is under advanced but still there has to be a better punishment then exile.
Vex is a terrible villain but I think post crystallized Harumi is worse, her entire motives are built off of a massive plot contrivance, cause she didn't know that Pythor released the devourer, thats why she blamed Lloyd, and assuming she turned on Overlord surely she would do same for Pythor, but Pythor releasing devourer is common knowledge, its at the history museum and Harumi has found more obscure info so surely she would find that, but nope, she thinks ninja protect the city badly but yet she toys with dark magic she was warned on to not do, considering its tied to Oni, who were explicitly said to be destructive, so she was being too reckless despite the show trying to show her as sympathetic, she is so delusional that she thinks turning people into crystal zombies is "protecting them" she has learnt nothing from what she did in the Oni trilogy, ruining her sacrifice scene and dont even get me started on her forced redemption, imo Harumi is not only the worst villain in Ninjago but the worst character in this show
It’s like the writers latched on to the concepts from Hunted and the ninjago movie and decided that power can only ever be lost as a result of insecurity and can only ever be regained by convenient climactic confidence
I kind of have this idea for an animated series called Mystic Ninjas. It’s about a group of teens that are secretly ninjas with mystic powers loosely based on the elements and fight various villains. I got inspiration from Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003), Ninjago, Monkie Kid, Samurai Jack, and some other shows. Let me know what you think and I will give some more insight on the story and characters.
LittleBigPlanet music used is epic, and in general I actually agree that Ice Chapter is bad, I don't think it's the worst season/Ninjago content (Crystallized for example is worse, much worse imo) I still think it handles it's story beats poorly overall, the Ice Emperor is just dumb, a twist more predictable than Harumi, and the fact that we dont get an arc of Zane being traumatized, considering he was brainwashed into committing genocide is asinine, Nya just recycled her season 5 arc but its more rushed, General Vex is an awful villain, like his motives, he was paranoid for no reason that he was made fun of and even if he was made fun of secretly, he chooses to commit genocide, which is so petty I can't take it seriously, a few things I decently enjoyed is the Yeti and Akita, and ice Samurai at least at the start were a promising army but in general a 3/10 for me
the ninja returned like 5 minutes after they left then, so wu started searching after them the second the ninja left. And the kaiu project was less then 5 minutes then. Yes
I really wanted to see Kai vs the ice emperor, but we only get Kai burning off that stupid dragon! And it would’ve been cool for Kai unlock a new form! But all we got was red eyes!
20:16 I think this idea could work if they are setting up civil war or something between the ninja or vex manipulated Kai and Nya to join him but nothing is done with it
I would have liked Nya's training more, if she had to control ice like the ice elemental master would. Like discipline, staying calm in face of hardship and inner peace. But idk😅
Huh you kind of changed my opinion a little huh i think i hate this chapter a little now but i mean it was a new format so it's incredible that ninjago atleast made something that's alright even with a totally new format goes to show how the talented the team behind this show are and if the higher ups can just let them cook we could have gotten something dragon rising sooner but it's never over as they say ninja never quit
The powerless arc has become very tiring at this point. It's happened several times already. They should have done it in one season to ine character and moved on. The powerless arc happened again after Crystalized in the book "Quest for the Lost Powers". Seems like none of these characters learned to deal with losing their powers.
On nya redoing her previous arc (and on a larger scale, the Ninja redoing each if their own arcs), it's not out of the realm of possibility that the Ninja had some emotional regression after losing wu and the Oni trilogy. Not that it justifies poor writing of course.
this is mostly off topic but i wanted to say this im someone who doesnt like ANY lloyd ships and i mean like. ALL of them suck ass. BUT i was sorta fine with lloykita until i realized. in the never realm, time works differently. and zane got sent back in time when he was transported, right? WELL, if one week is literally DECADES in the never realm, and zane took over when akita was a tween, akita is most likely decades older than lloyd. + the whole thjng felt kinda forced… also idk if this is true bc i pulled this from google images but i think tommy andreason confirmed that formlings age differently ???????????????????? than normal humans ????????????????? im not sure so i dont really get how people like lloykita. dont get me wrong i like akita, her design is great to me and i really like her voice. but lloykita is weird
Imagine we learned that when the FSM came to the Never Realm, he fell in love with Sorla and she went back with him, had Wu and Garmadon, but longed for her home and went back. This would at least explain why she knew so much about the elemental powers and Wu and Garmadon's mom
Imo this entire season is only good in selective bursts which is why I recommend you don't watch the season in order but rather just watch episodes randomly
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does anybody realize that Cole has no sleeves and yet they are in a frozen cold world how does bro even not react to cold until he goes up the moutain or goes to the town
Literally everyone
he got used to it
Honestly this whole season really should’ve been just the ice chapter, I feel a bit more breathing room would’ve helped this season a ton
A 30 episode ice chapter where every arc is fully explored would be great, but I also think if the story was more focused and better paced 15 episodes would be enough (even with keeping the filler). the odd split season thing tho does really negatively impact the finales of both chapters.
Exactly!!
I think the filler episodes should have been the first episodes of the ice chapter so the story isn’t interrupted by the filler episodes
Should've been made 2 seasons, the first focusing on Zane vs asphera with Kai getting some focus, then the second about Kai vs the ice emperor
I would’ve been cool with this:
Season 11 should’ve been the Ice Chapter
Season 12 should’ve been the Fire Chapter
Season 13 should’ve been Prime Empire
Season 14 should’ve been Master of the Mountain
Season 15 should’ve been Seabound
5 seasons for exploring each elemental master and the finale for Lloyd would be a finale special for me being a fusion of The Island/Crystalized.
Pretty strange that in season 9, Lloyd was fine with Mystake revealed to be an Oni & had no trust issues towards her for that, but in season 11 he’s untrusting of Akita for hiding the fact she was a Formling
Season 8 Lloyd didn't have Harumi PTSD
@@Kenny-hd4ef I was referring to season 9 Lloyd, not season 8 lloyd
@@ryanntemgwa8805 oh yeaaaaaaahh damn i missed that one :/
@@ryanntemgwa8805Yeah, but when Lloyd and Jay go to visit Mistake in season 8 to get told the story, Lloyd greets her as one would a friend. He’s known her for ages, versus Akita he’s only known for a couple days.
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Well, if I had a nickel for every 30 episode season that was hated by a lot of fans, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened both times that there were 30 episode long seasons with 11 minute long episodes.
What was the other time?
@@ZikedY Crystalized, it was and still is very divisive. I even call it “Controversialized”
@@IsleofPigsStudios right, I forgot it was 30 episodes long
That also came in two parts
Despite their flaws, both seasons are still good. And the Crystalized finale is fucking legendary
Great work (as usual) I always like starting out my saturday with a quick little 1 hour ninjago analysis...
Same
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Honestly, I don't mind Akita kissing on the cheek as kisses doesn't always equal relationship, but yeah there's some obvious romance in that kiss. and also, in either situation it seems a bit quick due to how they acted towards each other during the main part of the season. I'm actually upset they didn't bring back Akita and some of the others in this installment but maybe just maybe they'll bring some of them back in Dragons Rising? I have my doubts, but I also have my hopes
One thing I really hate about the 11 minute episodes are those weird as hell 2D animated episodes. They look so bad and out of place. I’m so glad those are gone with dragons rising
The only one that was good was the Akita backstory and only the Akita backstory episode because well she is an interesting character and giving her a backstory told through an episode makes sense but they didn’t do it in the normal animation style just the weird anime looking style like the ice emperor backstory was done in the normal animation style so why not do it for the Akita backstory.
The ice chapter has a weirdly large amount of similarities to the narnia books of all things. The unending winter, the weird time diffrence, and even the person our protagonists are looking for being forced to be evil under someone elses rule. I don't know if I'm the only one seeing this because it feels like a really weird thing for ninjago to get inspiration from
It reminded me of Japanese mythology where there's a land of snow and ice with people called Oina who could shapeshift into wolves. There's even two demon owls in the story and there's an own in the season attacking them.
Ice chapter has such a rushed ass ending and yet they had to add 2 terrible filler episodes with "kaiju protocol" and "the absolute worst". Just what were the writers smoking.
Right?!? I think it’s really just a planning issue and maybe they just had too many writers?
they were smoking the shit ton of money they got from the oni trilogy
kaiju protocol is not filler at all
Can’t wait for s211 when they return to the Neverrealm and find out that Akita and her friends have been dead for 200 years
55:56💀but zane's with us now
the concept of the ninja being able to tap into other elements is such a cool ands its a shame this and the future seasons didnt really do anything with the idea cuz it could have really made the wildbrain seasons stand out by giving them their own major lore shake up like elemental powers and realms or the oni and dragon lore, and adding to that the concept of the ninja all going to places and facing enemies that put them in the best position to develop each of their powers and learn about what else can they do with them it could have made for some really interesting stories
They should have done that before season 15
A topic that is interesting and never explored is the entire Never-realm.
Remember how the whole point of it's existance is that it's so dangerous and you can't get out of it?
Welp, look at this: without Zane's rule it was just a nice winter realm with nice people living here and there. Giant animals? I mean sure, Ninjago realm have giant snakes but big bird is more scary i suppose. Even damn Yeti are friendly here. Traveller's tea doesn't work? Welp, every kid knows about traveller's berries that will do the trick.
Sooooooo, what's the issue FSM had? It was so nice of a place he barely defeated his temptations to stay in there? Different time? Well it goes different in there but as it shown it doesn't matter because it's just you feeling years there... Wait no, ninja did not felt like years there. Zane been sent there one day and went through decades by next morning, but for ninja it seems completely fine? Sooo time travel was part of Aspheera's spell or...
And yeah, never explained or ever brought up ever again. That's what's the most i dislike about Never-realm, the realm itself. It has pointless build up and is complete mess.
Tommy said Asphera pulled some time travel shenanigans (since her plan was to strike Wu, I guess she was hoping he’d be long gone by the time the ninja tried to find him)
The time travel thing is mostly coherent, except for the fact that Akita and Kataru lived for more than 60 years and nonetheless they're still teenagers/young adults. Tommy said that Formlings age differently than humans, but in my headcanon I hypothesized that maybe their village was attacked by the Ice Emperor around 50 years after his enthronement.
The best thing the ice chapter did was get me to rewatch the older seasons because I was shocked that Ninjago was still going
Akitas ending is kinda bad. At first she doesnt care about that Zane is the Ice Emperor but the second Kataru apears she leaves him alone. All her trauma and damage to her people? GONE! What changed why would she still not want revenge? If you think about its exactly whats wrong with Harumis ending in Crystalized
8:00 Yes, that's one possibility. However we know that in general elemental powers exist everywhere, not just Ninjago. Examples are The Cloud Kingdom (Euphrasia) and Imperium (Sora and Zeatrix), so there is a chance that Elemental Masters exist in the Never Realm too
It is very possible that the First Spinjitsu Master's entry in the Never Realm influenced the inhabitants in many possible ways
2 of those examples are from the merge though which was a very unique event (euphrasia's is also 100% connected to ninjago)
the only elemental master who's powers exist independently from ninjago related stuff is zeatrix and that could change if we ever get more lore on her element on why her family has it
“Remember who you are. You are water and nothing else.”
In concept it is a masterpiece but in practice it did come out how it should have it’s built like a snowman ☃️ .I NEED A REMAKE
You know, something I'd really like to know is how did you guys feel about the revelation that Zane was the ice emperor? People told me months before I watched the season that Zane became the ice emperor so I knew it from the beginning when I started watching this season so I don't know how I would have felt about it if I hadn't known. So for those of you who watched this season without spoilers how did it make you feel?
I always knew. I hesitate to even call that plot point a mystery, it was so blatantly obvious to me.
never believed it personally, i didn't get it until the time skip was stated
I like Harumis reveal that she was the quit one better
@@LimitWISI was only 11 when the season came out, so I wasn’t really connecting the dots, which is why it was surprising for me personally. If I watched it for the first time now, I probably would’ve figured it out
@@Shaia_TeamLCEyeah i was also pretty young then, it's cause akita's story of her being very young while the ice emperor was around didn't add up for me since there was no indication of time working differently
Vecx is the real villen behind it all he wiped zane's memories and made zane think he was the ice emperor because sometimes a ending is a new beginning
The "remember who you are" is actually meant for the writers, as they need to remember that nya originally was samurai x and beating the ninja at their own game with zero powers to boot
Knowing that there was a time skip, and that time works differently, it could have really played into this idea that the ice chapter was only like 10 mins long in Ninjago City time.
Awesome video, never hated this chapter only disappointed by its ending and lack of zane aftermath there is but this video made me realize HOW messy the ice chapter is
still enjoyable ninjago for me tho!
AN HOUR LONG VIDEO LETS GO
After watching, another banger, I knew the arcs were messy but man this was fascinating to watch and see it all laid out
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I frankly really enjoyed this chapter. Might be a mix of the nature/animals and frozen wintery setting which are some of my favorite things in shows and games. Also akitas music is awesome to just listen to it. Also zane bias
I’d actually argue that the Akita scene is somewhat in character for Lloyd. Lloyd has previously been irrationally angry due to the association of previous trauma, and then pushed it aside for something else; resolving to aid that person.
In S4, when his father is announcing that he’ll literally sacrifice himself to save everyone, Lloyd gets mad. He is wrong of course, because there’s not much else they can do to stop the Anecondrai, but the reason why he was mad was because of the fear of losing his father.
He was after all, abandoned by his mother; his father stayed in the dark realm for longer than he needed to, and then proceeded to push him away knowing that he and Lloyd would need to fight one day despite both of them not wanting to. Furthermore, Lloyd also spent a good deal of time fighting which resulted in the resolution of Garmadon and Lloyds’ loneliness parallel ending with Lloyd not becoming evil, but instead being able to remove the evil addiction within Garmadon.
Then, fighting the Anecondrai helps Lloyd push aside his anger and return to his father so he can give his farewell. His previous lash out happened because of how heavily associated Garmadon is with his fear of being alone caused by abandonment, and also because all that he had fought for was gonna be wasted. But he still managed to resolve himself after spending 30 seconds taking his anger out and having flashbacks.
When someone kept up a façade for so long around Lloyd, it resulted in his father beating him, which in turn lead to an ally of his being killed. So he gets irrationally angry at Akita. But then decides to push it aside, once he sees her struggling to walk.
I don’t really think these two scene are necessarily completely the same in terms of the quality of showing us this behavior. Lloyd had developed so much since S4 so it can be frustrating to see all of that time spent together didn’t help him work through such things. But it can also be seen as somewhat realistic, as we all make mistakes and fall into lapses. And I don’t like how dramatic Lloyd is here. In the S4 scene he gave us like 2 sentences showcasing his anger. In this scene he has a full break-down despite it being a way less dire situation.
Thank you so much for this Bendo, for so long I've had issues with season 11 but had a hard time pinning them down. You hit almost every problem I had with it masterfully. This was a great video.
I know it's heresy in the Ninjago community to say anything's worse than Crystalized but this has always been my least favourite season (both Fire and Ice chapters) and I'm glad people are at least calling out its flaws so that Ninjago can improve later on.
I do agree with this being worse than crystalized at least crystalized has better animation and better fights while the ice chapter has okay fights with decent animation
Crusty is typing…
It's funny how a lot of people initially thought the fire chapter was the worst one and the ice chapter was good, but in hindsight, the reason people said that is because the fire chapter was such a mess that they didn't realize the flaws of the ice chapter. There was so much potential in this season!
10:05 I mean... Why not? Every single time elemental masters discover/re-discover their powers it's with at least a tiny build up and in the end it happens suddenly. Examples are all of the true potentials, The Spinjitsu burst and Lloyd's regain of powers at the end of Season 9
all of the moments you mention work really well because they act as payoff for those characters stories and struggles they had to work through. Unlocking their powers symbolizes them overcoming their previously established struggles which is what makes it feel earned and satisfying. With Kai it pretty much just boils down to him feeling useless without powers, and then getting them back without overcoming that in any way. To me it just doesn't feel earned.
I can't believe that Zane was the ice emperor in the never realm but it's because of vecx the formless he wiped zane's memories now that's evil😮
Personally I really like season 11 but I can definitely see why others don't
Thought the years of the 11 minute seasons it has really made me notice that the seasons should had focused on the side character in the season instead of the ninja with the exception on seasons 13 and 14 the other seasons should’ve focused on the side character because the writers clearly wanted to do it but then they remember that they only have 11 minutes and 16 episodes so they give the side character a rushed storyline to focus on the ninja and the villain I know this has nothing to do with the video but really the writers were trying to do to much and it ended with disappointment or failure.
I loved this season, but I think you brought up a lot of really good points!
Jay is trapped in The Administration and The Administration/The Administrator just wants him to do paperwork but Jay gets distracted and wants to do other things. I know Ninjago will always be a friendship TV show. But this is possibility right? I mean he is a BLANK SLATE. He has nothing but his NAME. HE does know his language, but he does not know everything. He is literally an AI that wants to be free.
My personal idea for years ever since like Possession is that the Elements of Creation (i.e the OG Ninja) are capable of using all the other elements because they are the original powers.
It's how I explained Jay using Wind that one time in Season 1 to myself lmao
Power or no powers you can be a hero with out powers but there powers will come back in time
A shame how Zane’s trauma as the Ice Emperor is relegated to a book
34:25 Unlike a certain movie I can’t name, or a certain season that everyone else can’t name…
(No, I’m not referring to the Ninjago Movie)
This is a really great essay and there were a few parts like the bit with the powers that I had never even thought of. Great work Bendo!
Also some bits like the quick flash to Harumi at like 55:55 literally killed me lol
My goodness I've been watching for this forever
great video! also i loved the use of 'The Wilderness' in part 6 :)
With nyas very loose control of ice it very literally NEVER appears again also if there is one good thing from ice chapter is Akita’s theme which is really good (in my personal opinion)
55:55 DANG IT LEGO!
No wonder I didn’t hate Harumi’s “redemption” as much. THEY LITERALLY DID THE SAME THING WITH ZANE AND I WASN’T BOTHERED! AND THEY DID IT IN THE SAME YEAR AS A “REDEMPTION” THAT I DESPISE
Actually the scroll is a major part of him becoming evil and he probably would have found himself much faster without it
banger vid as always
Crusty HATES the Ice Chapter confirmed
If it took you an hour to talk about the ice chapter, we would be here all day with the fire chapter.
Note: there are spoilers
One thing I noticed this season is that the clothes are the same from beginning to end, they don't change clothes or put on a really fuzzy coat, like in season 5, which isn't halfway through the season when the 4 ninjas go to the cloud kingdom to get the sword that predicts future actions.
I didnt watch this but I 100 percent agree with him on every point
you don’t understand man, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve faced struggles or adversity that I was able to beat simply by sitting and waiting until the third act 😆
The Hagemans always believed in the stories they could tell and believed in the potential of their young audience to handle real stakes and drama. The Wildbrain writers are more interested in keeping kids attention than leaving an impact on the world
46:42 wasn't the reason they needed the oni masks was to resurrect the evil/Oni side of Garmadon ?
55:35 it’s feels like he still has amnesia from being the Ice emperor and forgot what he did as it
I will say, just quickly, that Nya's "ice powers" do kinda make sense, it was just poorly explained. Zane's ice powers generates ice, he literally creates it. Nya, on the other hand, manipulates it. Again, this distinction is poorly explained, or not even explained, but it is definitely a relevant aspect to explaining how this even makes sense.
Also, I have a huge rewrite for Season 11 planned, so this video is super helpful, especially because most of my targeted fixes are in the fire chapter. I will say some of my changes for Kai's arc perfectly addressed your criticisms, with him learning to use his sword more to achieve results (and actually defeat Asphera), then discarding it once his powers half-return, and finally using it in an attempt to attack Boreal in a weak spot on his head, upon which he not only regains his fire powers but also unlocks the ability to create a flaming sword. So, yeah this video is great.
EDIT: I definitely think you're overlooking a few things with Lloyd and Akita's stories. Namely how Lloyd's outburst is mischaracterised intentionally because he isn't acting as himself, he is instead acting out of a place of trauma. And it takes his true, kind nature to actually pull him out of his trauma response. Seeing Akita's injury brings out his true self, so I'd argue a lot of what you're complaining about in this scene was intentional by the writers to show both Lloyd's trauma and who he truly is as a person. Also, saying Akita doesn't challenge any viewpoints is just wrong because that's literally half of what she does for Lloyd, helps him trust more. Was it rushed?? Yes, but it was still there and shouldn't be ignored in criticism.
Nia learning how to essentially bend ice is interesting as now it make it so any other elements can be experimented with
i like the ice chapter but the ice emperor zane stuff never being mention again was disaponting sure it sole in the quest for the lost powers book sure that was great but i wish it was in the show but i did like cole and krag and lloyd and akita even do it stared the downfall of lloyd well until dragons rising
i agree@@TheguyInYourFridge
Better start running Bendo, Crusty is not going to like this.
I thought the same
I think this is a really entertaining and well put together video even if I don't agree with it
@@Crusty783
I'm just messing. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and I'm glad you liked season 11. I just found the contrast funny.
@@Crusty783I think we all should learn that our opinions matter all of our do and we should respect that yes it's obviously but some people don't get it and crusty thanks for being awesome and for being chill
Every day I think about how much missed potential this season had. Honestly, I really want to rewrite it but... I dunno how good that would be. I just want this season to have a better ending because I personally enjoyed it quite a bit.
I could go on a whole rant about Zane's character as a whole and how I think Ninjago is sort of failing him but I won't :3 (Please Dragons Rising i'm trusting you with my LIFE don't screw him up)
Some good points. Yes, for me, the whole thing with Zane was just weird. Or like with any corruption story in Ninjago other than Garmadon....it has always bugged me that he gets so much heat in the story, and told he's 'evil' all the time, and even when that's not actually true....Yeah, of course he did bad things especially in the oni trilogy. But First he was cursed, as a child no less, not his fault. Then, he was brought back from the departed realm by someone else, also not his fault. But he is consistently told all the wrong he did, and people being angry with him. Then he cannot possibly do enough, and has to sacrifice himself to make things right, which ironically led to his next corruption. But Ice emperor Zane? Gets no such considerations. Is not held to any standards, and nothing is gone into any more detail to give it some depth, or character building. As you said, it's as if nothing happened at all, and it makes no sense! The Zane we all know would be riddled with guilt over it, despite it not really being his fault, at the very least. And I'm not saying I want Zane to get berated for it, but this huge imbalance of how they treat similar situations just is really frustrating to me. Every single character that had been turned bad at some point, (Nya, Wu, Zane, etc) it's just instantly forgotten, but Garmadon, even if he tries his best to be good, or flat out helps them, no, he's just evil, and everyone is angry at him.
Then, they tried to redeem one of the most evil of all, Harumi? Lloyd makes every excuse under the sun for her, hardly gets upset at her, even while she's trying to murder all his friends again?? But then he's so angry at his father instead, who is technically another victim. Just, yikes. It's like their morality is all mixed up. I still enjoyed season 11, and I actually like the humour, and more lighthearted. But as you said, it needs to be a healthy mix also, and make sense. There are things that simply don't make sense.
I also couldn't help feeling that when Kai got his powers fully back again, I thought that was really cool, how his eyes glowed, and all of it. I almost wish that happened every time they used their powers. But what also was disappointing to me, is how he never really seems to have that level of power again in the series. So we are just to believe it happened when his powers were in essence, 'reactivated'? It would be so cool if he reached some kind of new potential. But no, it's just straight back to normal.
If you really loved Akita’s episode and theme music than watching Disney’s Brother Bear must have blown your mind
It is revealed that Zane was sent back in time so that is why it explains the time difference
Let’s go I love the Ice Chapter!
I know it will already be a banger chief👍
I think the most disepointing thing about this season is it’s supposed to be zane focused season so we can think finally zane gonna have some elemental power devlopement but it’s just the scroll who gave him all the power I thought for the final we could have some big zane mastering ice moment but not
Great video as always man! In my opinion I'm not a huge fan of this season (mainly because of the filler and Asphera). however, I always preferred the Ice Chapter slightly over the Fire Chapter.
I do agree with everything basically but I still kinda enjoy this season. It's very middle of the road for me. Amazing video as always bendo still the best ninjago RUclipsr in my opinion.
I really dislike season 11 as a whole. I think both the fire and ice chapters are both equally terrible. Vex is also easily the worst villain in the entire show. I don’t even remember he exists 85% of the time. And him getting off completely Scott free after everything he did is so infuriating. This is also the season where Jay started to get really flanderized. Before crystallized, this was my least favorite season. The most interesting thing about this season is how it’s given us our first and only look into the departed realm
Bro committed genocide on like 5 different races and all they did was kick him out. I get that the Never-realm is under advanced but still there has to be a better punishment then exile.
@@lemonfire698He should have gotten Eren Yeagers ending
say whatever you want about season 11, but i think that both vex and ice emperor were pretty interesting villains all things considered
Vex is a terrible villain but I think post crystallized Harumi is worse, her entire motives are built off of a massive plot contrivance, cause she didn't know that Pythor released the devourer, thats why she blamed Lloyd, and assuming she turned on Overlord surely she would do same for Pythor, but Pythor releasing devourer is common knowledge, its at the history museum and Harumi has found more obscure info so surely she would find that, but nope, she thinks ninja protect the city badly but yet she toys with dark magic she was warned on to not do, considering its tied to Oni, who were explicitly said to be destructive, so she was being too reckless despite the show trying to show her as sympathetic, she is so delusional that she thinks turning people into crystal zombies is "protecting them" she has learnt nothing from what she did in the Oni trilogy, ruining her sacrifice scene and dont even get me started on her forced redemption, imo Harumi is not only the worst villain in Ninjago but the worst character in this show
@@mpguy24 I agree. Crystallized completely ruined Harumi. She should’ve stayed dead
It’s like the writers latched on to the concepts from Hunted and the ninjago movie and decided that power can only ever be lost as a result of insecurity and can only ever be regained by convenient climactic confidence
I kind of have this idea for an animated series called Mystic Ninjas. It’s about a group of teens that are secretly ninjas with mystic powers loosely based on the elements and fight various villains. I got inspiration from Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003), Ninjago, Monkie Kid, Samurai Jack, and some other shows. Let me know what you think and I will give some more insight on the story and characters.
But also yeah, when I first watched Ninjago season 11, I was surprised by the change in everything.
Now Jay is Zane. How is Jay going to break out?
LittleBigPlanet music used is epic, and in general I actually agree that Ice Chapter is bad, I don't think it's the worst season/Ninjago content (Crystallized for example is worse, much worse imo) I still think it handles it's story beats poorly overall, the Ice Emperor is just dumb, a twist more predictable than Harumi, and the fact that we dont get an arc of Zane being traumatized, considering he was brainwashed into committing genocide is asinine, Nya just recycled her season 5 arc but its more rushed, General Vex is an awful villain, like his motives, he was paranoid for no reason that he was made fun of and even if he was made fun of secretly, he chooses to commit genocide, which is so petty I can't take it seriously, a few things I decently enjoyed is the Yeti and Akita, and ice Samurai at least at the start were a promising army but in general a 3/10 for me
Why do I feel like this video is going to be way more controversial than it should be 😅
The first video for 2024 let's goooo
the ninja returned like 5 minutes after they left then, so wu started searching after them the second the ninja left. And the kaiu project was less then 5 minutes then. Yes
55:55 i saw that
It’s so funny to me how the frames line up almost perfectly lol
I really wanted to see Kai vs the ice emperor, but we only get Kai burning off that stupid dragon! And it would’ve been cool for Kai unlock a new form! But all we got was red eyes!
20:16 I think this idea could work if they are setting up civil war or something between the ninja or vex manipulated Kai and Nya to join him but nothing is done with it
We can actually see Zane feeling guilty during the book of lost powers which is canon
I would have liked Nya's training more, if she had to control ice like the ice elemental master would. Like discipline, staying calm in face of hardship and inner peace. But idk😅
Huh you kind of changed my opinion a little huh i think i hate this chapter a little now but i mean it was a new format so it's incredible that ninjago atleast made something that's alright even with a totally new format goes to show how the talented the team behind this show are and if the higher ups can just let them cook we could have gotten something dragon rising sooner but it's never over as they say ninja never quit
They could have just said aspethera semt zane back in time and the time passage is the same
The powerless arc has become very tiring at this point. It's happened several times already. They should have done it in one season to ine character and moved on. The powerless arc happened again after Crystalized in the book "Quest for the Lost Powers". Seems like none of these characters learned to deal with losing their powers.
I somehow enjoyed it even tho it was pretty disastrous. I guess I loved the concepts it introduced.
Great video, although I disagree with 90% of it
YES
On nya redoing her previous arc (and on a larger scale, the Ninja redoing each if their own arcs), it's not out of the realm of possibility that the Ninja had some emotional regression after losing wu and the Oni trilogy. Not that it justifies poor writing of course.
Krag carried
Ice chapter > Fire chapter
I mean zane as a cold vilian was a great concept I honestly like the ice emperor
this is mostly off topic but i wanted to say this
im someone who doesnt like ANY lloyd ships and i mean like. ALL of them suck ass. BUT i was sorta fine with lloykita until i realized.
in the never realm, time works differently. and zane got sent back in time when he was transported, right? WELL, if one week is literally DECADES in the never realm, and zane took over when akita was a tween, akita is most likely decades older than lloyd. + the whole thjng felt kinda forced… also idk if this is true bc i pulled this from google images but i think tommy andreason confirmed that formlings age differently ???????????????????? than normal humans ????????????????? im not sure
so i dont really get how people like lloykita. dont get me wrong i like akita, her design is great to me and i really like her voice. but lloykita is weird
This video is very cool, thx u ! and I was attentive, look : 55:56 hehe
Imagine we learned that when the FSM came to the Never Realm, he fell in love with Sorla and she went back with him, had Wu and Garmadon, but longed for her home and went back. This would at least explain why she knew so much about the elemental powers and Wu and Garmadon's mom
Fire < Ice imo
Indeed it is
Imo this entire season is only good in selective bursts which is why I recommend you don't watch the season in order but rather just watch episodes randomly
Hey, would you be interested in some sort of a collab? In the sense that I would love to draw the thumbnails for your videos
55:54 uf you want guilt you can read the book of four elements
ninjago has better writing than the others modern cartoons
Being rushed is probably due to the shorter duration
The nya thing was stupid. Now she has Zane’s powers too?? Like that’s so dumb