Texan Reacts to Sabaton History's Carolus Rex
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- The story behind the song Carolus Rex, and King Charles XII of Sweden, and laying out some of the controversy behind releasing the song in the modern day.
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Your mention of the Swastika as an example there strikes pretty close to home for me, as we Finns used it ever since our independence up until we were forced to stop using it after the second world war.
People still keep mistaking our WW2 markings for Nazi Swastika, especially with our cooperation with the Germans in the war. It's immensely frustrating
No need to apologize, it's your channel. You do you. Great reaction - looking forward to the next Sabaton reaction \,,/
I appreciate it!
Not only was Carolus a good commander he actually was riding out scouting all the time with his lifeguard on tow. The swedish royal lifeguard never had it such tough never before or after Carolus Rex. In fact one such scoutung by the king gave him a shot in the foot and made him basically miss the battle of Poltava and delegated control to his generals that each one was vying for support from the king. rival generals and bad decisions made the war a bust for the Swede.
Just as entertaining and insightful as usual. You are doing a great job and I´m always looking forward to the next one. And I love Indys likeness in this one with poking Joakim with a stick, not something I recommend to anyone.
I appreciate it! Not something I would recommend either, Joakim seems like someone who doesn't need much prodding to get pretty animated.
He was just a kid, a kid with the best military education possible at the time, the pound for pound best army in Europe, and troops beyond loyal for both patriotic and religious reasons.
30:01 No need to apologize. It's called "Texan reacts to... " and not "Texan sits there quietly and watches..."
Haha I appreciate it. I felt like I went a little bit down a rabbit hole when they started talking about how people had gotten upset about them doing the song. But I do appreciate it.
It's all good 👍 "Exceptional for abstaining from alcohol and sex, he felt most comfortable during warfare. Contemporaries report of his seemingly inhuman tolerance for pain and his utter lack of emotion. His brilliant campaigning and startling victories brought his country to the pinnacle of her prestige and power, although the Great Northern War resulted in Sweden's defeat and the end of the empire within years of his own death."
I like your reaction and the added information you came with.
I appreciate it!
You do just fine. 👍❤
I’m sure you know some of this but these are my thoughts on him and some facts on Sweden.
Sweden still is a monarchy and our next person on the throne will be Princess Victoria. :)
I think he was a bad ruler but not a bad person and I’ve studied him quite a lot.
He was suited to be a general not the King of a nation because he was only good at war and fighting which was useful during the war but he lacked diplomacy talents and refused to negotiate a peace treaty until he had completely won.
All I can say while he was responsible for Sweden’s fall from greatness he also was extremely talented and proved Swedish might on the battlefield over and over again leading the Carolean army.
And btw he fought alongside his men during many of the battles and was extremely loved by the troops. He was no more evil than many other European monarchs were.
This is personally one of my fav songs especially specifically the Swedish version but then again I’m also Swedish.
Btw Charles was an extremely disciplined and tough man and he would not let others take advantage of him this is probably one of the reasons why no one did anything against him.
Russia, Denmark and Poland thought they could crush this 15 year old oh boy were they mistaken this wouldn’t be an easy fight for them as they thought they would have to lose many times before they won.
I don’t know how I missed this comment yesterday. He definitely was competent on the battlefield, which like I said in the video, that completely surprised me when I first started learning about him. I mean, the list of really good field commanders historically who were teenagers is pretty dang low. I really like the Swedish version of the song too, it was awesome. It’s unfortunate his image has been co-opted and Sabaton took heat for doing the song. The story about the reporter was brutal.
@@rayceofhistory He lived into his 30s the war lasted for around 20 years.
@@rayceofhistory He has always been controversial. Public opinion about him shifts every decade and has done since his death. He will still be discussed in a hundred years and he will probably be controversial in some new way we wouldn't think about today.
Hey do you think you can add Carolean prayers and long live the king from the Swedish empire album on the list for reactions?
I’m not sure who recommended them but they are both on the list. So yes, I will definitely get to them.
Completely agree with what you said about the journalist. It’s kinda sad
What they say about Charles and Neo nazism is sadly true some people in Sweden have ruined his image.
People only hear that he’s a symbol for right wing so they automatically think he’s an evil and horrible person and don’t know anything about him and don’t feel like researching.
This pisses me of a lot. I speak openly here in my country with my friends how I love Charles the twelfth just to get people to do some research on him. If they say something bad on him I’ll educate people about him. I’ll teach them so they can know who he truly was and what he did both good and what I think was his flaws and mistakes and how he has basically no connections with any political side irl.
There's only a few nazists and racists that think like that. Everyone else is nationalists, which is nothing wrong. Nothing wrong to love your contry and think it's better then anything else. There's no racism in loving your country, nor is it racism to think your country is above others. That's where lefties take it wrong. Lots of lefties are racists, due to the fact that they relate nationalism with racism and trying to project their racist thoughts to nationalism. Like if I say I love Sweden and my country, and would never change it for anything else or another shit country, that's nothing racist. People can be nice from other countrys and so on, but I love Sweden and nothing else. I dont mind if someone come to visit, but I would never allow us to give away our Sweden to lets say globalsim.
Not a great fan of the current royal family in Sweden, for karl XII I would give my service and my life .
Indy neidell actually lives in Stockholm fun fact. :)
Like if I lived there or go there the chance isn’t actually 0% that I wouldn’t meet him there is actually a chance I could even if it’s extremely low. He can speak Swedish tho he sounds a bit funny IMO but is very good at the language at this point.
I just love how he lives in my country’s capital it’s kinda awesome.
That is awesome. And that’s awesome that he can speak Swedish, I’m sure it’s a little rough around the edges but still, I definitely commend him for it. I wonder if most people he comes across has any idea who he is. I also like that he backed the guys in Sabaton when he said he had a friend that warned him not to work with them. Even if he knew he was right, many people would have just avoided saying anything in the moment as to not have some kind of confrontation, but he spoke up in their defense.
@@rayceofhistory his Swedish is better than you would actually suspect surprisingly
I'd say Swedes are proud of the fact that Carl XII was successful despite the odds (to the extent that he was). But also view him with melancholy as the end of the Swedish Empire. That said, that's a great simplification because we also have no illusions about how horrible absolute monarchy is, or how awful the Swedish empire was in a lot of ways. We don't exactly view the Swedish "great times"/empire with rose tinted glasses. I'd say we think it's cool in the sense that it proved that we were capable of competing with the European great powers but also, it's not like it was a benevolent or great time or whatever.
19:42 (kind of) Fun fact: Finland still uses swastika in some context. It is a part of our "freedom cross" and for example part of official coat of arms of the University of Helsinki and shown in the flag of the president of the Republic of Finland. Our usage of swastika outdates nazi germany, but anyways we have been trying to use it less and less now a days.
How is that seen by people there? Like what do regular people in Finland think about it? Is it a really polarized thing?
@@rayceofhistory It's mostly non-issue with finns, we know that our swastika comes from early 20th century and we have no problem with it. But there has been some foreing affairs problems, and we have tried to minimize the usage of swastika in last 20 years. For example our Air Force don't use it anymore, even when the symbol was originally brought to Finland through the Air Force.
Gud bevara konungen 🇸🇪
Charles XII led one of the most diverse armies in Swedish history. The fact that he has been co-opted by neo-nazis and ultra nationalists is just really unfortunate, though it’s hardly unique for Charles XII. History is not just the study of the past, but also how history is used today for various different purposes. My opinion of him is that he’s this sort of legendary military commander, certainly one of the best of his time, but it’s undeniable that his reign brought an end to the Swedish Empire. His great ancestor Gustavus Adolphus is certainly more admired and recognized for his efforts during the Thirty Years’ War.
Completely agree with your thoughts on him.
Hey Light, I was wondering if you would jump in here at some point. I think that is probably the reality for most historical characters, where their true legacy is complicated, has good and bad on their historical record. Is there something specific about him that I’m missing on why he is used by those groups?
@@rayceofhistory There's nothing in particular about his reign that would make him into such a symbol. However, when you consider things further: What does a nationalist want? A nationalist wants a historical figure that represents glory, honor and national pride. Charles XII's personality and dogged defense of the country has probably contributed to this image. This is nothing new as he was worshiped as hero throughout the 19th century. It's only fairly recently that neo-nazis have gotten involved in the picture. The short answer is probably: Long-standing romanticism about Sweden's last glory days as an empire which some unsavory groups have hijacked for their own purposes.
@@LightxHeavenI wonder how he would feel about his name and imagine being used in that way. This is all extremely interesting to me, there is no history like this for the US and no American historical figure used in such ways. We argue here about historical figures from the civil war era, but mostly that’s because the country actually split at that time. It’s why I wondered how everybody felt about the monarchy in general, because I don’t have a reference point for this type of stuff. But it’s unfortunate that Charles has become such a symbol for that in Sweden that it actually bothered people that Sabaton did a song on him.
Do people there know his story and know the history? Most Americans don’t know important American historical figures in any real way.
I'd be surprised if you could find a dozen of neo-nazis i Sweden.
The land we got from this war in sweden we dont even want xD
Ofc we're proud of Charles XII. What he did during that time in history, was just what other big countrys did. And that little Sweden manage to conquere like we did, is impressive. Ofc with todays eye you can look at it like "he went to war... What's nice with that", but that doesnt work. It was other times, other mindsets and other priorities. World was different, hence why we call it the past and history. I mean, Adolf Hitler was a fkn scum for what he did, nobody can deny that. But still, the fact that Germany manage to do what they did during the Rule of Hitler, is still impressive.. Always look at the both sides of the coin. And no, I did not compare Adolf Hitler and Charles, they are nothing a like... I just did a brutal compareson so people will get the picture of what I'm tryin to say.
My only real argument against him specifically is hard headedness. And it’s not so much an argument as an observation. The guy was a great military leader, but hard headedness was leading to the domestic situation and economy getting worse because of the nature of the continued fighting. But I’ve said a hundred times that I can’t imagine what kind of person I turn into if I get the crown at his age, and so all things considered he sort of turned out the best you could hope for. He is very adept at playing the military game of the age, and I don’t think it’s fair to hold that against him, to me that’s one of the things that goes down on the “good” side.
@@rayceofhistory Your're right. He was one hell of a military leader and strategist. He had much success from his impulsivenes in battle, but that same thing also made him greedy tryin to reach for far more then he could handle. And as you say, what would oneself become at that time and age with a crown.
@@Bawamba exactly, and character traits or personality traits just tend to be doubled edged swords, and his certainly were. It makes historical stories like his fun to study though because would he have been better off not being hard headed? Well he may have lived longer, but he probably doesn’t find the military fame or become known for the military acumen that he does. So it’s what makes him great that also makes him vulnerable. He’s a very interesting guy.
It should say Carl, not Charles
The fact that Charles XII and other kings who were rulers during the era of the Swedish empire have been embraced by the Swedish nationalist right without challenge is very much a self-inflicted issue of the left-wing parties. These kings project military might and often great piety, which is something left wing politicians despise. They want themselves to be seen as the supreme authority, and any claims of authority and strength garnered from previous leaders should be slandered and considered illegitimate. There is very much a reason to why almost all monarchies, churches and nobilities throughout Europe were stripped of basically all power alongside the rise of communism and socialist ideals. If a political establishment constantly talks down and activly tries do downplay history, you leave the field open for anyone who respects those values to claim them as their own.
Im from sweden and i dont like the monarchy and ESPECIALLY this one
This one as in the modern one or Charles XII?
@@rayceofhistory was talking about karl XII but i dont like either so..
@@thelallare7826 that’s fair. I figured there would be some that had an overall negative opinion of the monarchy, it’s why I asked in these videos how people felt about it. I don’t have that historical background being here in the states, we haven’t had a monarchy, so that’s why I wanted to know how everybody else felt about their historical monarchies.
@@rayceofhistory yeah im glad your interested in knowing . id say its a pretty fair split between left and right-wing. And the reason i dislike Karl XII is more because how people romantizise the swedish empire and him as mentioned in the video.
@@thelallare7826 that is such a foreign concept to me. I mean we have dummies here that push things like neonazism, but I’ve talked about this in other comments but nobody talks about monarchies here outside of academia, and academia talks about them in the polar opposite way as the romanticization of them or their countries under them. They are taught as the most selfish, evil, greedy people and systems that humans have ever come up with. That nothing good happened under them, nothing was done by a monarch that wasn’t for selfish or greedy reasons, and that they were the worst everywhere at any time they existed.
It’s why I come off sometimes as taking the side of monarchies. I’m not actually taking their side, I just see value in some monarchies throughout time even though I think it’s a good thing that we’ve moved away from absolute monarchs as humans. I don’t see them as inherently bad or evil, just totally dependent on the type of person on the throne.