Wow. You can really tell the difference between this almost style Galante and his previous harpsichord concerto in D minor (1748) which was very typically baroque, yet they are only 14 years apart! My god CPE Bach was spectacular
Charles Burney, wrote in 1773 of C.P.E., ''He is not only the greatest composer for keyboard instruments who ever lived, but also, with regard to expression, the best player.'' Mozart said, ''He is the father, we are the children.'' Joseph Haydn said, ''I owe a great deal to Emanuel...I understood and diligently studied him.''
Renshen1957 The comments of Haydn and Dr Burney, for those interested, are worth seeking out in full. Burney’s description of an evening spent at CPE’s house is fascinating whilst Haydn’s comments are perceptive; his explanation of the impact of discovering CPE’s works as a young man are very interesting. Mozart’s reputed comment which appears all over RUclips is ambiguous, in fact it is hyperbolic nonsense without understanding the context. It is far less valuable than the comments of Haydn or Burney in understanding anything about Emanuel Bach, and it is almost impossible to understand why Mozart should have said this of CPE. (It has to be said also that this non-contemporaneously reported comment is from a very unreliable source, and I’m not sure Mozart made it at all). The music and style of Emanuel Bach and Mozart are so utterly and completely different that not a single note of one could be mistaken for the other. Perhaps if Mozart was referring to CPE, he was simply stating what almost every German/Austrian musician felt about the highly respected, venerable and esteemed CPE, particularly relating to his Versuch - his massively important and widely influential manual on keyboard playing published in two parts in 1753 and 1762. My view is that Mozart was referring specifically to the Versuch. Researching this famous quote, almost all you ever find is the quote itself; there is almost no critical thought or analysis given to it. Mozart was given to hyperbole sometimes and indeed used the ‘father and children’ metaphor again rather more appropriately - Mozart being the father, the quartets the children - in his lovely Italian dedication of the six string quartets to Haydn in 1785. It is a beautiful, sincere and heartfelt dedication. It might be useful if Mozart’s comment was used a little less. CPE really does not need such an imprimatur, especially as it is so unclear as to what exactly Mozart was referring and his wider influence outside of North Germany - the Versuch excepted - was extremely limited.* * The Versuch was only published a full ten years later in Vienna from its original appearance in 1753, and at a time when almost none of CPE’s works were available. CPE’s music was not mainstream, but relegated to appearances at Baron van Swieten’s ‘old’ music sessions in Vienna in the 1780’s which were full of music by Handel, JS Bach and the like; these were the Sunday morning concerts attended by Mozart - and sometimes by Haydn - in the National Library.
Someone disliked this. Whilst I appreciate everyone is different, I cannot understand what there possibly is to dislike here. Magnificent music. Many thanks for the post.
It might seem strange to some, but the more I listen to C.P.E. Bach, the more I realize that I like his music more than his father, Johann Sebastian...
@@ОлександрКрестін The word ‘underrated’ is much over-used in English on RUclips in relation to composers; most commentators actually mean less well-known. Additionally, whilst many of the ‘underrated’ and the similar ‘forgotten’ type comments may be true in one country, that is not always true elsewhere in the world. In the case of CPE Bach, I think his status is rather better acknowledged, his music better understood, and it is played more often in Europe than it is perhaps in the US for example.
ce n'est pas uniquement ce que j'écoute qui me remplie de boheur ,c'estaussi un long travail de recherche plein de découvertes et surtout d'ignorances sur la musique baroque anglaise; mais ..... je suis un débutantant de l'outil imformatique.j'ai une presque adoration pour JS BACH mais aussi d'autres
Carl Phillip was actually was part of a movement which opposed the style Galant. He was part of the expressionist movement. Compare this to Johann Christian Bach's op 1 - which is freely available on this site.
@@saidtoshimaru1832 I think it unhelpful and misleading to claim that CPE Bach ‘participated’ in the sturm und drang movement; he categorically did not. The predominantly Viennese sturm und drang of c.1765-1775, and the North German empfindsamer Stil were separated not only by geography, and totally different composers, but had only a few superficial similarities - including some common galant features; they were in fact very different. CPE’s music is a very personal and original empfindsamer Stil, characterised by heightened expression, sensitivity, and rousing emotions by musical means. It is most evident in CPE’s keyboard works, though runs through all his music to some degree. CPE is an un-typical case of empfindsamer Stil, the rather more conservative music of Quantz, Benda or Graun with its slightly Italian accent, would be more representative - with these composers, the difference between the two styles is stark. Sturm und drang has entirely different characteristics - my list contains 15 specific features but is too long to reproduce here; a couple of examples would include there is more use of contrapuntal forms, an expansion of forms, different forms, and it is found predominantly in symphonies. Even when directly comparable, CPE’s symphonies Wq 182 or Wq 183, with Haydn’s Symphonies 26, 39, 44, 45, 46, 47, or 49, Mozart 25 (K183), JC Bach Opus 6 No 6 or any relevant Vanhal or Dittersdorf symphony from the period for example, the difference between the two styles is strikingly evident almost immediately. The shortest explanation of the difference which I use is as follows: empfindsamer Stil = inner sensitivity; Sturm und drang = outward gesture. Hope that helps. .
This "sturm und drang" concerto is carefully written to avoid the "terrible" sound of natural horns from covering the tiny tone of the harpsichord. Actually, the writing is more or less antiphonic.
It was said of CPE Bach that he had more musical invention in one composition than some composers of fame had in several compositions. Yet he never burned himself out?
The transition from Baroque to Classicism lasted from around 1740- 1760. Remember Telemann, and Raemau were still alive and composing in the 1760's. And CPE Bach is generally regarded as a transitional composer
he deliberately and gradually moved away from his father style because it was becoming more and more unfashionable, he implemented styles from composers in the Prussian Court, he was continuously experimenting with different styles he wrote this piece after meeting baldassare galupp you can clearly hear similarities in this concerto to his style of music
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Wow. You can really tell the difference between this almost style Galante and his previous harpsichord concerto in D minor (1748) which was very typically baroque, yet they are only 14 years apart! My god CPE Bach was spectacular
Carl Philipp Bach is my favourite composer of all time n my life, definitely
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C P E Bach, magistral
Charles Burney, wrote in 1773 of C.P.E., ''He is not only the greatest composer for keyboard instruments who ever lived, but also, with regard to expression, the best player.'' Mozart said, ''He is the father, we are the children.'' Joseph Haydn said, ''I owe a great deal to Emanuel...I understood and diligently studied him.''
just like his father............if only CPE knew the struggles his father went through to make ends meat for his family
Renshen1957
The comments of Haydn and Dr Burney, for those interested, are worth seeking out in full.
Burney’s description of an evening spent at CPE’s house is fascinating whilst Haydn’s comments are perceptive; his explanation of the impact of discovering CPE’s works as a young man are very interesting.
Mozart’s reputed comment which appears all over RUclips is ambiguous, in fact it is hyperbolic nonsense without understanding the context.
It is far less valuable than the comments of Haydn or Burney in understanding anything about Emanuel Bach, and it is almost impossible to understand why Mozart should have said this of CPE.
(It has to be said also that this non-contemporaneously reported comment is from a very unreliable source, and I’m not sure Mozart made it at all).
The music and style of Emanuel Bach and Mozart are so utterly and completely different that not a single note of one could be mistaken for the other.
Perhaps if Mozart was referring to CPE, he was simply stating what almost every German/Austrian musician felt about the highly respected, venerable and esteemed CPE, particularly relating to his Versuch - his massively important and widely influential manual on keyboard playing published in two parts in 1753 and 1762.
My view is that Mozart was referring specifically to the Versuch.
Researching this famous quote, almost all you ever find is the quote itself; there is almost no critical thought or analysis given to it.
Mozart was given to hyperbole sometimes and indeed used the ‘father and children’ metaphor again rather more appropriately - Mozart being the father, the quartets the children - in his lovely Italian dedication of the six string quartets to Haydn in 1785.
It is a beautiful, sincere and heartfelt dedication.
It might be useful if Mozart’s comment was used a little less. CPE really does not need such an imprimatur, especially as it is so unclear as to what exactly Mozart was referring and his wider influence outside of North Germany - the Versuch excepted - was extremely limited.*
* The Versuch was only published a full ten years later in Vienna from its original appearance in 1753, and at a time when almost none of CPE’s works were available.
CPE’s music was not mainstream, but relegated to appearances at Baron van Swieten’s ‘old’ music sessions in Vienna in the 1780’s which were full of music by Handel, JS Bach and the like; these were the Sunday morning concerts attended by Mozart - and sometimes by Haydn - in the National Library.
@@luciferarise4973 🥩
What a wonderful piece of music.
A very, very strong statement, dear Ludger!!!
'Drama' is only it's 'first name'....!!!
Someone disliked this. Whilst I appreciate everyone is different, I cannot understand what there possibly is to dislike here. Magnificent music. Many thanks for the post.
Apparently Johann Christian is lurking somewhere on RUclips.
Superbe, passionnant. Merci pour avoir "posté" cette excellente vidéo.
It might seem strange to some, but the more I listen to C.P.E. Bach, the more I realize that I like his music more than his father, Johann Sebastian...
cpe Bach is so underrated. His music should get more listeners
Underrated by whom? Most of the people never heard Maler, Bruckner, the composers of "Les six". Are they underrated?
@@ОлександрКрестін
The word ‘underrated’ is much over-used in English on RUclips in relation to composers; most commentators actually mean less well-known.
Additionally, whilst many of the ‘underrated’ and the similar ‘forgotten’ type comments may be true in one country, that is not always true elsewhere in the world.
In the case of CPE Bach, I think his status is rather better acknowledged, his music better understood, and it is played more often in Europe than it is perhaps in the US for example.
Like father,like son
Magnifique! Merci!!!
Absolute brilliant
Wonderful.
ce n'est pas uniquement ce que j'écoute qui me remplie de boheur ,c'estaussi un long travail de recherche plein de découvertes et surtout d'ignorances sur la musique baroque anglaise; mais ..... je suis un débutantant de l'outil imformatique.j'ai une presque adoration pour JS BACH mais aussi d'autres
Wonderful!!
Excellent...!!!
Beautiful
..VERY NICE...
Carl Phillip was actually was part of a movement which opposed the style Galant. He was part of the expressionist movement. Compare this to Johann Christian Bach's op 1 - which is freely available on this site.
It is known as Sturm und Drang.
@@saidtoshimaru1832 CPE Bach wrote no sturm und drang music; what you hear is his very highly original North German ‘empfindsamer Stil’.
@@elaineblackhurst1509 They where parallel styles, and CPE participated in both.
@@saidtoshimaru1832
I think it unhelpful and misleading to claim that CPE Bach ‘participated’ in the sturm und drang movement; he categorically did not.
The predominantly Viennese sturm und drang of c.1765-1775, and the North German empfindsamer Stil were separated not only by geography, and totally different composers, but had only a few superficial similarities - including some common galant features; they were in fact very different.
CPE’s music is a very personal and original empfindsamer Stil, characterised by heightened expression, sensitivity, and rousing emotions by musical means.
It is most evident in CPE’s keyboard works, though runs through all his music to some degree.
CPE is an un-typical case of empfindsamer Stil, the rather more conservative music of Quantz, Benda or Graun with its slightly Italian accent, would be more representative - with these composers, the difference between the two styles is stark.
Sturm und drang has entirely different characteristics - my list contains 15 specific features but is too long to reproduce here; a couple of examples would include there is more use of contrapuntal forms, an expansion of forms, different forms, and it is found predominantly in symphonies.
Even when directly comparable, CPE’s symphonies Wq 182 or Wq 183, with Haydn’s Symphonies 26, 39, 44, 45, 46, 47, or 49, Mozart 25 (K183), JC Bach Opus 6 No 6 or any relevant Vanhal or Dittersdorf symphony from the period for example, the difference between the two styles is strikingly evident almost immediately.
The shortest explanation of the difference which I use is as follows:
empfindsamer Stil = inner sensitivity;
Sturm und drang = outward gesture.
Hope that helps.
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@@elaineblackhurst1509 very interesting
god damn that 3rd part is epic
💙💙💙
This "sturm und drang" concerto is carefully written to avoid the "terrible" sound of natural horns from covering the tiny tone of the harpsichord. Actually, the writing is more or less antiphonic.
awesome
chevere!!!
merci
❤
The son of Bach!
Fiery stuff. It's great.
Ganz eigener Stil; und deshalb mag man ihn oder lehnt ihn ab.
It was said of CPE Bach that he had more musical invention in one composition than some composers of fame had in several compositions.
Yet he never burned himself out?
Gerard OConnell Debussy said something similar about the French Baroque composer Jean Philippe Rameau.
Gerald O'Connell
I concur. CPE stirs my heart in an inexplicable way. 🎻
Where is this picture from? Who is the artist? I like it very much.
what's the painting?
6 years for a reply, but it's California Sunset, by Albert Bierstadt,, 😊
My partiality to Johann Christian Bach has really made me neglect some wonderful music.
Galant!!
Buddy and Princess fav's song.
wer hat die painting gemacht?
+Chris S. *das painting :D
@@Anarchist_Angel *das Bild
Albert Bierstadt, German-American Painter (1830-1902). This picture is the „Californian Sunset“.
Title: C minor
Video: B minor
@The MIDI Bach Project Is there a version of this piece in 432 Hz?
dis dat f1re, mayn.
Why is it in baroque style while it was written in the1760s?
Ah later it gets more early classical, still with some heavy baroque elements.
The transition from Baroque to Classicism lasted from around 1740- 1760. Remember Telemann, and Raemau were still alive and composing in the 1760's. And CPE Bach is generally regarded as a transitional composer
he deliberately and gradually moved away from his father style because it was becoming more and more unfashionable, he implemented styles from composers in the Prussian Court, he was continuously experimenting with different styles he wrote this piece after meeting baldassare galupp you can clearly hear similarities in this concerto to his style of music
All Scriptures is inspired of God.Harmony and Mo Thugs is the best group.Get the Mo Thugs album Family Scriptures.A nice song called Family Tree on the Art of War album also with the Mo Thugs.
You wrong! God?...please...! C. P. E. Bach is a genious!
what does this have to do with CPE Bach?
Mo Thugs compared to Bach...please, your wasting everyone's time!
:'O omg...
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