C.P.E. Bach - Keyboard Concerto In D Minor Wq. 23
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Michael Rische, piano, Liepziger Kammerorchester - Morten Schuldt-Jensen, conductor
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A fine example of why C.P.E. Bach was so admired in his lifetime, So much so that his Father was regarded as a conservative old-timer. You can already hear Mozart, Haydn, and even Beethoven in this concerto
Yes, I can hear myself a little.
What can you hear ?
Haydn - yes (a bit);
Beethoven - possibly;
Mozart - not a single note.
what an injustice, that this beautiful concert is not widely known. I have been listening to classical music for 50 years and have never heard anyone perform it ....
@@beethov3n It's because your hearing is deteriorating, Herr Beethoven..... I SAID, IT'S BECAUSE YOUR HEARING IS DETERIORATING, HERR BEETHOVEN....
Raden Laksmana
This concerto by CPE Bach was written for cembalo concertato (ie solo harpsichord), 2 violins, viola and continuo in 1748; it was conceived for a semi-private chamber performance, eight years before Mozart was born.
As such, it has almost nothing in common with Mozart’s piano concertos largely written between 30 and 40 years later for a fortepiano - ie modern action piano - accompanied by a much larger orchestra, intended for a ticket-buying public performance, and written in a completely different style.
CPE really shines in the minor key!
Truly a major composer.
Even to our modern ears this sounds a bit crazy, but that's precisely its charm and originality.
Bizarre and abrasive, but also beautiful style of Carl Phillip, one of the most singular, and one of the greatest for sure
greatest description
Perfect description! CPE's style is absolutely unique. Nobody else could have composed this concerto.
@@Ed_UKation
CPE is one of the few composers who actually *did* describe his own music in his own words - and in some considerable detail: check out his Versuch - Essay on the True Art of Keyboard Playing.
This is something that Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven all did - much to their benefit.
You don’t have to read all the technical bits - such as sections on ornamentation, or thorough-bass - but the more general explanations of his musical aesthetics and ideas are fascinating, and will help you understand better a truly unique composer.
PS: CPE does *not* describe his own music as either ‘bizarre’ or ‘abrasive’; perhaps the single most important point he makes is about sensitivity and moving the emotions of both the player, and thus the listener.
@@elaineblackhurst1509 Yes indeed. I read somewhere that when Beethoven was teaching Czerny he told him that everything he needed to know was in "Emmanuel Bach's treatise".
@@davebarclay4429
CPE’s manual on keyboard playing was the basis of modern - ie post-Baroque - keyboard technique; it covers just about everything, even down to the modern fingering we use today (many of the associated sonatas are covered with the composers recommended fingering which is excellent).
Haydn studied the Versuch and associated sonatas avidly - they were an epiphany moment for him, and CPE was the only composer he ever acknowledged as a mentor; Mozart clearly knew the Versuch, and like Haydn, he adopted the new fingering; Beethoven as you correctly stated was still using the Versuch in the early 19th century, and did indeed tell Czerny to get a copy and study it.
The Versuch was also the starting point for all subsequent keyboard manuals, and almost nothing of what it taught has ever been challenged, simply built on as the pianos, and keyboard technique developed over the 19th century.
3:08 holy crap. One of the best solo intros I've ever heard. So passionate and Bam! Well done Lil' Bach Jr.
I have listened to this piano concerto dozens of times, and it never fails to delight me. Such a distinct style!
Yeah, it's gorgeous.
Vivaldi’s late works sound exactly like this. He lived in Vienna and wanted to impress them and adapted that late baroque/early classic style. He composed into his early sixties!
@@paulbraunstein2290
Vivaldi’s late-Baroque Venetian music sounding like CPE Bach’s early-Classical North German empfindsamer Stil music; there’s a novel, brave, and pretty revolutionary theory.
One can clearly hear that CPE bach wanted to create a style of his own that is obvious at 18:18 were he refers to his fathers legacy while continuing with his cyclical themes that challenges past current and future forms of what music should sound like. That's why CPE is my favourite composer of all time. He influenced many with his profilic, dramatic and skillful expression.
My favorite as well. A true innovator. Not obsessed with formal perfection like some of the bigger names; he just happened upon new forms and ideas through his artistic expression. Absolutely brilliant
C. P. E Bach's imagination, versatility, and sound musical upbringing are at the root of his brilliant works. He was not only an excellent composer but a sound businessman, a pedagogue who wrote the first treatise on keyboard playing, and had a career that was more successful than his father.
he's incredible
Yes, you resumed what I think but don't know how to say.
Paganini and CPE are the most dramáticos for me. The pauses are so well pointed, It brakes my heart in a good way every time I listen to more and more.
When somebody has listened to some works by CPE Bach, he can perceive his stylistic features. He was a great composer, too neglected so far.
Totaly agreing with your feeling 👌
@@kakichekakuhncaroletarnec2137 This feeling is confirmed by the quite authoritative Almerican pianist and musicologist Charles Roen (The caliiscal style; Sontat forms). He ranks CPE almost at the same level that Hayfn and Mozart, notain however thet some very firm atchitectural processes of these two great composers are looser in CPR's music. let us conclude that he was a brillant , original and intersting ni umber three i, that key period. Beethoven of his deathbed claimed for CPE's scores. and Heandel's oratorios. - which were eaten by mice in his publicher's archives.
Well spoken.
@@martinebert6508 Thaks ! and cheers 😀
True ..CPE Bach is a very underrated composer
From the very first measures , the CPE Bach's work is catching you, the pleasure, quickly, is turning into an addiction !!
Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach era un compositore sicuramente eccezionale, spiritoso, che è riuscito a seguire le orme di suo padre, superando allo stesso il suo modo di comporre. I suoi brani trasmettono una allegria e Lebensfreude tipica dell’epoca barocca.
This allegro gave me goosebumps! Thank you CPE Bach!
Incredible piece of work. One of the greatest piano concertos I've ever heard actually. It has recognizable themes and ideas but develops them in highly unusual and frenetic ways. So nice to hear something in the classical idiom that feels fresh and new! Wow. The piece in general reminds me of elegant tapestry or something like that.
CAPTAIN BEASTAZOID It's a piano concerto, not a sonata.
@@dustinwarndahl6272 Mm! Stupid mistake. And I have a degree in piano performance!!! Must have forgot to turn on my brain that day
@@captainbeastazoid7084haha lol
Au top du "hit parade classic"...une merveille ce concerto. A vrai dire toute la musique de ce compositeur est sublime. L interpretation frole la perfection !!!
I got his box set in charity shop £5 what a steal I did not realise how good he is he has his own style really amazing music
Your find makes me jealous!
Quel bonheur d.écouter cette musique , j'en ai des frissons
Wow. What a fantastic work. Incredible.
Absolutely incredible, very sturm und drang
Dorian Bianco
It’s not sturm und drang.
Check out the words ‘empfindsamer Stil’ and/or ‘Empfindsamkeit’.
@@elaineblackhurst1509 Estilo sensible, que diríamos en español, en contraposición al estilo galante o rococó. 👋
Einfach perfekt gespielt. Läufe, Akzente und Phrasierung stimmen vom Anfang bis zum Schluß. Und die Streicher ohne schlampiges vibrato. Die Aufnahme hätte einen Echo-Klassik verdient.
Adventure AND discipline.
I LOVE it !!!!!!
I love discipline!
So exquisite , so delightfull ....so CPE bach :-) !!
3rd Movement - Allegro assai starts 14:43
those sounds tell different and original ways of thinking and living
Музыка Bach, которая создано на все времена, Это школа - Профессионализма.
Иоганн Себастьян .Баха (1685 - 1750) унаследовали его сыновья - Вилгельм Фридеман Бах (1710 - 1784), Иоганн Кристиан Бах (1735- 1782), Иоганн Кристоф Фридрих Бах (1732 - 1795), и, Карл Филипп Эмануель Бах (1714 - 1788). Надо сказать что, сыновья Баха, были намного известны в свое время, чем И.С.Бах. Через 100 лет после смерти, имя Баха было признано как величайшим композитором и, педагогом всего музыкального мира.
Que maravillosa música. Regalo de Dios y de ustedes los amantes de lo.belleZa absoluta. No ha habido otra épica que supere la maravillosa conjunción melódica y armónica como está.
WUNDERBAR !!! Tepper Michael.
軽快でリズミカルな中にも､重厚な響きを感じさせ､つい旋律の美しさに引かれます。🥰🥰‼️
Ele. é tão pouco conhecido aqui nos trópicos que nos surpreende pela sua beleza e ímpeto, uma ira contida, uma vontade de quebrar as regras de seu tempo, um contestador.
Concordo plenamente. Os compositores menos famosos muitas vezes produzem (produziam) algo extraordinário. E infelizmente C.P.E Bach vive na sombra de seu pai.
0:00 - Allegro
8:20 - Poco andante
14:45 - Allegro Assai
In 1738, Bach obtained an appointment at Berlin in the service of Crown Prince Frederick of Prussia,
the future Frederick the Great. Upon Frederick's accession in 1740, Bach became a member of
the royal orchestra. Bach wrote this concerto (H.427) in 1748 at Berlin.
I have this every morning
es impresionante el período post bach es una de las mejores composiciones que hay, y de manos del hijo!!
CPE always electrifies me, in a positive way.
Strange indeed, there's something about this song that is just different. Maybe its the pacing, always catches me off guard. But, the influence of a father is still very apparent.
Sean Murphy it's a PIECE!!!!!!!
if you think it's a song, then yeah. In fact it's a concerto- duhhh
It is in minor thats why it sounds strange.
Desde hace muchos años soy fanático de la música de J. S. Bach pero C. P. E bach me tiene encantado con su música y lo mejor de todo es que tiene vida propia, depende muy poco de su padre de echo lo veo más cercano a haydn, mozart etc
Salto di qualità della musica classica .
definitively can hear Vivaldi's influence at 5:23 the first progression sounds like Vivaldi's Violin Concerto in A minor. I am in love with this work now.
So true!
Amazing!
Magnifique juste magnifique.
exceptional as far as I can tell
Lovely
El mejor concierto para teclado de Carl Phillip Emanuel Bach, realmente es el Concierto para Clavecín, Orquesta de cuerdas y bajo continuo en Re menor, Wq. 23
Le falta estructurar mejor sus ideas musicales y creo que por eso no fue tan famoso ni reconocido como su pariente J. S. Bach,
Ese si fue todo un maestro.
ReinaDeCorazon3s Quite unbased statement! C.P.E. Bach knew exactly what he did, and his work has an even personality, specially for his unique taste for the unpredictable, 50 or 60 years before Beethoven...
leafar cxl Nah, si no es famoso actualmente en el mundo es por algo.
Quien se lleva todo el trofeo es su padre, J.S. Bach. Su música es excelsa.
ReinaDeCorazon3s si juzgamos la calidad de algo por su fama mal vamos, no? Bach no era considerado un buen compositor en su tiempo, sino tan solo un virtuoso de los teclados. Por suerte eso se arregló (le habla un bachmaníaco). CPM Bach, está a la origen de Haydn y del clasicismo, y en muchos sentidos del romanticismo, por sus conceptos (por su "Empfindsamer Stil", por haber añadido el "gesto" a la música, por sus frases inauditas para la época, como "Un músico no puede emocionar a los demás si no se emociona él mismo"). Todo eso es estar 100 años a frente de su tiempo. Ya su musica, es normal que suene raro, era puro experimentalismo para la época. Hoy día se empieza a conocerle mejor y es estudiado con tanto interés como a su padre. Saludos desde Wiena...
leafar cxl you may appreciate Joseph P. Farrell's treatment and (references to Yates) in describing CPE Bach -- check the book, latter chapters of Farrell's Thrice Great Hermetica ...
I musicisti che hanno registrato i brani, hanno reso omaggio a CPE, con la loro esecuzione eccezionale.
This really is a fine early classical keyboard concerto by Maestro CPE Bach. I do wonder if it would have been played using fortepiano or harpsichord, though? Works well with piano.
A jewel that should be exposed more often!
Very Good!!!!
Delightful!
This is alchemy in music.
Read Joseph P. Farrell's Thrice Great Hermetica ... latter chapters unfold some of the score via this ... musical calculus and as the Topological Metaphor.
in joy.
Morya Federation Esoteric Education That's actually what led me here! I listened to this every day for a couple weeks after reading the book and it really does feel like something special.
Yeah but don't ever let Farrell know you listened to this version...the idea of wq 23 played on piano will make him furious! Ideally seek out Miklos Spanyi's recording -- played on a proper 16' harpsichord.
@@krankyjsmith9780 Frederick the Great had several Silbermann fortepiani along his harpsichords and C.P.E. had access to both, it's quite probable the piece was intended to be just a keyboard concerto, without a clear indication. Haydn's concerti for example work equally well on harpsichord, fortepiano and pipe organ. Wq 23 has a second movement which for me suits a fortepiano more than a harpsichord.
@@Pawel_Malecki I'm just echoing the opinions of author Joseph P Farrell -- he has rather strong feelings about Pianofortes. He also has a prodigious knowledge of Baroque era music. If you join his website gizadeathstar.com you can submit questions and comments to which he will respond at length. So long as you're respectful in how you approach the topic -- I think that would be a conversation we would all enjoy.
I think you're right about the andante -- definitely well suited to the subtleties you can only get from a keyboard with volume dynamics.
I wish CPE Bach was played on the modern piano more.
Me too.Piano suit a lot better for his later keyboard concertos.
Lar M Indeed. C.P.E Bach is more classical than baroque.
+Nat Sakimura He is the bridge between Baroque and Classical.Very strictly taught by his father Johann Sebestian and he turns out to be one of the greatest keyboard virtuoso of all time.His monumental book on the art of keyboard playing is a lifetime study.
No, for me this becomes completely synthetic. The modalities inherent to old-timey keyboards allow intimacy and maturity and perhaps more complete expression of the creator's intentions. Just saying.
If CPE Bach exposed to the then modern forte piano sound he may change his mind.
"В композиции и клавирной игре у меня не было другого учителя, кроме моего отца " / Карл Филипп Эмануэль /, " Ф.Э. Бах - (Гамбургский)- лучший и наиболее искусный художник в области выразительности.. Он владеет всеми стилями, но выше всего он замыкается в выразительном стиле. Он был ученым, даже более, когда он этого хотел, чем его отец, в особенности в разнообразии модуляций. Он и Д.Скарлатти, оба сыновья знаменитых композиторов, осмелились идти по новым дорогам. Только теперь ухо привыкает к Скарлатти. Ф.Э.Бах тоже, кажется, опередил свой век" ; - / Ч.Берни, современник Филиппа Эмануэля Баха, доктор Истории Музыки Оксфордского университета./ 🎹💖💖💖
17:26 wow!
Yeah, that moment is incredible. One of the best musical moments I've ever heard.
wonderful! it's so strange and beautiful that reminds me Beethoven's 32nd piano sonata second movement
Виртуозное исполнение, спасибо...
@Hamsili Math & Science Yes, just the heart of Allegro assai (starts 14:43)
Bravo!
it''s Relaxation's Song.
I love the idea of C.P.E. being the young headbanger, and J.S. being the old fuddyduddy.
"Now then son, don't go using any parallel fifths and octaves"
"Shut up dad! I can do what I want. Why don't you go and write some more sacred music if you love God so much."
Can't wait well I can wait but I'm looking forward to seeing the bought family in heaven for they were Believers in Jesus Christ and the Hope shines forth in their music. I'm sure right now CPE Bach is doing some performing in heaven I hope to see you there too.
All right then said JS I will.
Funny because most of CPE Bachs pieces were religious works.
I'macat ‘...most of CPE Bach’s works were religious works’, this is not correct and misleading to anyone reading your comment.
@@elaineblackhurst1509 okokok let me correct myself then, a lot of his works were religious. Point is, he was a religious man like his father.
On a piano? Particularly miked up to be louder than the orchestra? Recording like this is okay for Romantic concertos. Playing it on the wrong keyboard just throws off the balance on so many levels.
C.P.E. was one of the few composers of the time who had access to a fortepiano at will. This could have been very well written as a harpsichord or piano concerto and published as a harpsichord one simply because of the limited availability of fortepiani at the time. Given how C.P.E.'s output evolved over time I think he foresaw the end of the harpsichord era and deliberately aimed at fortepiano writing.
@@Pawel_Malecki The point is that the modern piano is artificially loud in this recording. It would sound better if the balance was more natural.
Mozart once said: "Bach is the father and we are the children'' he wasn't actually talking about J.S. Bach but about C.P.E Bach
Clickbait; the purported quotation is meaningless out of context as barely a single note of the music of Mozart bears any sign of the paternity of CPE Bach whatsoever.
You need to explain to us whatever it was you think Mozart was talking about.
When Mozart visited Leipzig a few years before his death, he had passed through Hamburg shortly before, and there he had taken pains to visit C.P.E. Bach, by then already advanced in years; he heard Bach improvise a few times on his Silbermann instrument. During a musical soirée at the home of Doles Mozart was asked by his host for his opinion of Bach’s playing, as the conversation was entirely concerned with such matters. The great man replied with his characteristically Viennese candour and directness; He is the father, we are the children. Those of us who know anything at all learned it from him;
@@alexandrachaini9401
This piece of spurious nonsense which is as fictitious as it is ludicrous is repeatedly quoted, but is in fact nothing less than pure misinformation.
We know every step of the journey Mozart undertook from Vienna to Berlin in 1789 - via Prague, Dresden, and Leipzig, and to suggest that somehow Mozart went to Leipzig via Hamburg is alone so absurd and to discredit the rest of this fictional story; take a look at a map of Germany to see clearly the lunacy of claiming that anyone would go to Leipzig from Hamburg.
‘…he had passed through Hamburg shortly before, and there he had taken pains to visit CPE Bach’.
1. Mozart never went to Hamburg.
2. If he had, it would have been recorded either in his biography, or his letters, and by other sources; ditto CPE.
3. CPE Bach died in 1788, Mozart’s tour was 1789.
Need I go on ?
17:25
yes, just the heart of Allegro assai (starts 14:43)
Playful yet serious
At times Allegro assai seemed a little rushed. I dont think the sections were recorded in the order that we hear. I think last movement was recorded first. But overall a good performance!
Può darsi.
Damn....all I can say is damn.
yes me too!
I resent seeing a "video will play after ad "right in the middle of the piece. Whoever is responsible for placing it there I assiduously avoided hearing or seeing the offending advertiser. Commercials suck.
can someone tell me, if the main-theme is cited somewhere else? I seem to know it, but don't know why. Thanking you in anticipation. :-)
If you're referring to the first movement, you'll find the leaping motif in C.P.E.'s Magnificat
Mega-music
진짜 유려하고 매끈하다
My guy CPE
I actually think this and the other one in f minor belong to 2 f Bach because cpe has nothing else that sounds like both if them.
Virtuosity and vulnerability. I'd happily forsake all subsequent concerti for this one!!
One of his better concertos for sure. Therefore I dislike it when this great allegro di molto is put off with such a cadenza as played in this performance. It doesn't honor the piece imho
Very strange
Konrad Scorciapino why is it strange? just wondering, is it because it's not baroque like? it's baroque/classical right??
Strange mood
like germans are!
@@ChiefKabehkar
It’s a highly individual and personal take on a North German empfindsamer Stil, and is part of the Classical style.
It sounds so strange, as most people’s ears are really only tuned into the music of Mozart and Haydn as representing the Classical style.
0:10
Almost Italian baroque feel
Benjamin Marks
The ‘feel’ is almost entirely CPE’s very personal and original version of North German ‘empfindsamer Stil’.
In truth, all composers across the continent of Europe, throughout the eighteenth century, were to a greater or lesser degree influenced by Italian composers and Italian-style music, but in fact, CPE is one of those where it is actually least evident.
Martin Kimberly Anderson William Clark Larry
The last note: a half step below the tonic... very different.
...which is leading tone?
Yeah, they resolve it, but its really strange anyway... I honestly wonder, whether this is an error in transcription, whether there is a part lost... The analysis linked by the uploader states, that this final cadence is a sigh of exhaustion, but this is a very uncommon way to end a piece, totally exhausted... Even many later composers wouldn't have dared to write such an ending, I guess
It's not uncommon at all, it's call an appoggiatura, you play a dissonanse in the strong beat and resolve it inmediately by a step or a half-step. It's been done to death since the baroque period...
Unexpexted ending...
7:29!!! better than mozarts wild runs
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A pesar del peso de su padre Juan Sebastian el concierto es muy sobrio, tal vez demasiado sonoro para una orquesta tan pequeña quizá este concierto deberia tocarse con sordina, o una corda...
This is for harpsichord for a reason. Piano doesn't give the feeling.
What a strange composition to set in d minor. Very odd mixture to my ears.
Sort of cimmerian..
the piano is so out of place
0:00 - Allegro
8:20 - Poco andante
14:45 - Allegro Assai
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