Technically, stolas didn't break up with Blitzo, he just broke up the contract with him. He finally told him how he truly feels and Blitzo took offense to it because he thought Stolas was just using him like royalty does with his kind.
But technically (not against Stolas here) Stolas did use Blitzø, he put Blitzø in a contract that he didn’t want to be in at first, it’s still a sort of toxic relationship if you think about it. But I do hope that they can get back together in a way that they’re both happy and apologise to/forgive the other
He did break up with him. He asked Blitz for a relationship and then acted like Blitz didn't want one instead of listening to him. Then when Blitz finally started to tell him how he felt he said goodbye and threw him out. Stolas broke up whatever relationship they had.
Stolas and Blitzø both f*cked up here. This is the closest they've gotten to talking about their feelings, but they're still not really listening to each other or seeing the other's perspective. Blitzø refuses to believe Stolas could actually love him, and Stolas has yet to fully apologize for making Blitzø feel used.
Bro Stolas literally said that the transactional forced relationship was wrong, he said to point blank Also if you recall, this whole transaction thing started with Blitz tryna steal that book and using sex to distract him from stealing it Blitz used Stolas first if anything
Let’s not pretend that Stolas fucked up anywhere near as much as Blitz did Stolas did his intro a bit poorly but after Blitz started panic rambling, Stolas leveled with him and said nothing but the truth, point blank, in a way that is hard to misinterpret He said, “I care about you and your business, you don’t have to stay, but if you want to, but only if you want to” you don’t get more clear than that Only for Blitz to sabatoge himself and shut the whole thing down with his nonsense. Which to anyone who doesn’t know how deep Blitz’s personal issues run just looks insulting (Blitz has never properly communicated these issue to Stolas so Stolas had no way of knowing)
@@sweethysteria8737 true, but from Blitzo's perspective what else there? Stolas, until the second season, gave little indication of wanting to have a relationship with Blitzo beyond sex. and what he did indicate was in private, Blitzo wasn't around to see any of his development.
@@sweethysteria8737that’s true but in season 1 episode 1 Stolas calls Blitzo to establish the arrangement, Blitzo did use stolas first, but then Stolas makes use of him in return. Stolas mistook Blitzos advancement in their first night together as potential feelings and intimacy with his first friend. The transaction gave them both what they wanted, however they both miscommunicated what the true intentions were, and settled with the arrangement just to walk away satisfied with the situation. Blitz gets the book, Stolas gets a crumb of affection. Both want to feel wanted, not needed, the relationship they had created just a need for each other, and nothing under the surface was both ways
At least Stolas tried to make things right. Yes, it blew up in his face but I think it was a step in the right direction for him to become a better person (ironic since he's a demon)
That final scene was honestly SO painful because it showed their biggest problems. Stolas while genuine in his feelings, unintentionally controls the conversation and automatically assumes what Blitzø is thinking while not actually ASKING what he wants, and Blitzø doing everything that he can to completely ignore any real conversation about their issues to avoid getting hurt, and completely lashing out when he can't. This results in Stolas thinking that his first friend and love only saw him as a privileged prince despite all his efforts to show him that he always saw them as equals, and Blitzø once again adding another person to the list of people who he genuinely loves but pushed away because he was too afraid to show it, right as he was finally allowing himself to be vulnerable. You know they're eventually going to make up, but it's definitely going to take them both jumping through A LOT of hurdles before their relationship can even remotely become a healthy one.
I'm honestly flabbergasted how many people interpret Blitz's yelling in that scene as 'trying to communicate' or 'offering an olive branch' like here. I don't know how many people have actually been at the receiving end of a lashing like that, but that was *not* what I got from that outburst. That was the kind of yelling that was _inviting vitriol back._ That was *absolutely* Blitz trying to make Stolas yell at him back, to force an argument to happen. Maybe it's because he thinks it's what he deserves, maybe because he doesn't come from a background where peacefully talking things out bears fruit, but either way BOY WAS IT NOT IN ANY WAY A GOOD THING. I think Blitz was 100% expecting them to verbally fight it out, but we know from the rest of the show with Stolas' life with Stella that yelling and fighting back is _not_ something Stolas does without an immense amount of forethought and effort and going against his instincts. I think it then also makes 100% sense that Stolas' first instinct was to remove Blitz from the situation. He didn't want to yell at Blitz, and he didn't want Blitz yelling at him. It didn't makes the situation _better,_ but it makes complete sense for where he's at.
THANK YOU. A lot of people, I’m realizing, consider yelling and screaming to be a genuine part of healthy conversation and that’s a PROBLEM. Yes, Stolis should’ve asked him to tone it down, and not just used his power to dismiss him, but YELLING isn’t an olive branch. Like…I’m sorry, it’s just not
There is a difference though, between something being good and something making sense. I could totally see where Blitz was coming from and I'm mostly on his side in this altercation. However, if somebody came on to me like that, my first instinct would also be to protect myself. In my case, that would probably be shouting back or at least loudly demanding the other person to either calm down or leave. The problem that you correctly identified though is that Stolas fight on the complete opposite end of the spectrum, which is not at all. If one side keeps retreating and the other keeps attacking, that's a problem. But there was a break. After Blitz has said his piece he waited for a reaction from Stolas. Stolas reacted (with that sentence that made everybody cry). And rather than start venting again, Blitz moved in to comfort Stolas because he saw that Stolas was no longr angry but sad. Also: Blitz's tirade only started after Stolas let him run into every open knife emotionally, then dumped the love confession on him, and left without hearing him out. He decided how this whole scenario went, how much information was being given and when/how it ended. Blitz was just along for the ride, trying to keep up (signified by his running after Stolas).
But everything he said was right. Stolas at points was using him, stolas treated him as a toy multiple times (and called him such), and stolas literally dismissed him like he said he would. Blitz was only wrong about how stolas sees himself, but he was quite correct.
I was at some point of my life in that receiving part and I reacted pretty similar honestly, I don't really blame Stolas for transporting Blitzø out, I mean, of course both of them have a lot of things they did wrong in this conversation and in their relationship, and they definitely have to talk it out, but to be honest, they probably need some time, trauma doesn't let you react the way you'll want all the time and that's exactly what happen here to both of them, the power coercion is something that existed in their relationship till now, even if Blitzø used Stolas first, Stolas had the power to end Blitzø's business and life if he wanted, he corrected this by giving him the crystal, but an apology is 100% necessary here, for that and the covering his face situation, the same goes to Blitzø, he decided to not see him for months, he does not what to communicate properly, and when he decided to actually communicate he did it so poorly it triggered Stolas, they have to actually sit and talk about how they felt and WHY they felt like that, what relationship it had with their trauma and actually find a way to work it out or just finally leave it there and keep going in separate ways
Man watching this episode broke my soul. This episode really sets up the apology tour. Blitz may try to truly apologize to those he's hurt as to not cause the same fallout that happened between Blitz and Stolas
The rage of Blitzø and the sadness of Stolas... Brandon and Bryce did an amazing work here. The last 8 minutes of this episode were a masterpiece. The absolute culmination of they entire relationship. Brutal. "Blitzø, I think so highly of you. I didn't know you thought so low of me." That line and Stolas crying is so heartbreaking. What a gut punch to end the episode on.
I complete agree with Brandon and Bryce's work in this episode! So much believable emotion in both their voices at the end. I think the two Bs work very well together to make these characters so incredibly real to us.
I’ve seen a few people saying that Stolas dumping his feelings on Blitz with no time for him to think was bad of him. But I personally don’t agree that this is the case. They’ve been suggesting for a while that Stolas has been trying to explain to Blitz he wants more than just a physical relationship; like after the fallout of their ‘date’ at Oz’s and after Stolas gets kidnapped by Striker. But because Stolas has no idea how to communicate with Blitz he’s been backing down or giving him an out each time because he didn’t want to force Blitz out of his comfort zone; which I think is why they haven’t met up for a few months like Blitz says. Blitz even outright says he’s been avoiding talking to Stolas in the song when he says he’s been “avoiding his questions”. Both Blitz and Stolas acknowledge that there is something wrong with their current relationship; Stolas decides to try and talk to Blitz but Blitz initially tries to avoid acknowledging it with sex. So it’s implied Stolas has been trying to have this heavy conversation with Blitz for a while but Blitz keeps avoiding it. For me it makes sense Stolas assumes Blitz doesn’t care when he thinks Stolas is joking; after he’s been avoiding him for so long, even going as far as not replying to Stolas’ request to see him when he was in hospital. If you give someone an option to not see you and they choose to take that every single time then you would assume they don’t like you, even without the self worth issues Stolas has.
Yeah, even in that episode in the song at the beginning, Blitzo mentions "getting by by avoiding his questions" after asking if they "are okay" so yeah, I think Stolas has been trying to ask for a long time but Blitzo avoids him when he does.
I definitely agree. I'm a casual watcher and fan (and seeing the Fandom escalate so hard after this episode reinforces to me again WHY) and in my opinion it is absurd to say that "Stolas never tried communicating to Blitz that he wants more than Sex" because ever since Ozzie's, Stolas is doing 90% of the communication in this ship. It actually started annoying me by now that Stolas is over and over again the only one communicating because the show barely develops their badly clashing trauma response, it only constantly adds explanation and elaboration on WHY their traumatized while simultaneously adding more and more negative outcomes from their clashing trauma responses. I understand and sympathize with both Blitz and Stolas in Full Moon because what happened was absolutely predictable because that's all the show ever does with them. The biggest development that happened was Stolas kicking Blitz out by the end because Stolas learned through standing up to Stella to lash back when being screamed at and being insulted by wanting said person out of his home. Like, by all means, I'm still desperately waiting for any kind of actual development for BLITZ in Stoliz. He wasn't developed much in any major way regarding how he handles his trauma and that's all I can see in Full Moon, even if I perfectly understand where he's coming from and why he feels the way he does. I'm just so annoyed that the show always does the same thing over and over again with these two, just always on a bigger scale which heavily divides the Fandom in damaging ways :/
@@CatalinaLinal7710 I agree Stolas has had a lot more character development in regards to their relationship. I’ve seen a lot of people keep saying Stolas is to blame for making the relationship just about sex; but this hasn’t actually been the case for a while. Since at least Ozzie’s Stolas has shown he wants this to be a real relationship; he was ecstatic at the idea of going on a real date with Blitz, while Blitz just ignored him to stalk M&M. Yes Stolas hurt Blitz in this episode by not defending him when Oz called out the relationship but Biltz was was completely dismissive of him until that point. And when Stolas is hospitalised he asks Blitz to visit him, in a situation that is obviously nothing to do with sex, but Blitz doesn’t reply. I think it’s also very interesting to consider that in Full Moon both Blitz and Stolas acknowledge something is wrong with their relationship during the opening song. But Blitz is the one who spends the whole song and episode trying to use sex to brush over the issue. At the beginning of the show Stolas did make it very sexual every time he interacted with Blitz; but as they then showed up in the flashback to the start of their relationship he was trying to match the energy Blitz started. They’ve shown Stolas has actually been trying to redirect the relationship away from just being physical for a while but Blitz has chosen to not take notice wanting to keep the status quo despite it not working for them. They both have issues that cause them to self sabotage the relationship but Stolas did try to change the boundaries of the relationship to make it better while Blitz has tried to avoid the elephant in the room by redirecting it back to just sex
@@Halfbad-bf1lt Gosh, the beginning song. It's very well done but so frustrating because of the repetitive nature of their dynamic. I was SO unbelievably relieved that we finally got Blitz singing again. Musical numbers are one of the most effective ways to flesh out your characters and it's insane that Stolas (and Fizz for that matter) gets so many songs but Blitz gets hardly anything and even that is wasted to a degree on unnecessary comedy. "When I see him" shows that perfectly. I love Blitz' first verse because it is entirely used the way it should be: to inform us about his feelings, actions, behavior, what he thinks, and how his pov is supposed to be read. Perfect. I love it so much! Then in the middle part, the problem creeps in but isn't a problem yet. Blitz may be saying things that by themselves don't give us any information anymore, but they heavily clash with his strong mannerism, mimic, and the harsh tone of the segment which turns the non-informative lyrics on their head to still be able to convey alot of information about Blitz, even if it's already LESS than before. But afterwards? Man... Everything from "Can't wait to lose ourselves in nasty sex" basically looses all meaning while Stolas get informative lines til the very end. I know "It depicts how Blitz' verbal copying mechanism works!" blah blah blah. My dude, I don't CARE. Blitz is the main character, let that man TALK for fucks sake! This show cannot afford wasting so much of Blitz' on-screen communication on comedy and depicting such harsh trauma mechanisms that basically leaves your main character voiceless to a solid portion of the viewers, especially when the show hardly ever DOES anything with it. Regarding their communication development (in-universe and as narrative tools) it's only Stolas who feels right at this late point of season 2. Blitz in Stoliz on the other hand feels like he's stuck at the end of what a well-paced season 1 would have been.
@@CatalinaLinal7710 I imagine the next parts of the series will be more focused on Blitz’s development, especially Apology Tour. While it can be frustrating that his development is so slow paced it it has at least been a constant characteristic of Blitz; it took until around when he was caught by DHORK before he started to acknowledge he does like Stolas and he stopped viewing his a an annoyance that he had to tolerate. I think the break up is intended to be the big, dramatic ‘do or die’ moment that is intended to force Blitz to be more proactive and actually decide what he wants and force him to fight for it
Just a reminder stolas ran out of his anti depression meds in the beginning of the episode so his emotions was super high at the end making him irrational.
How long had he run out. It would take a few days for most depression, or bipolar meds in my case, to start losing some effect. And at least 2-4 weeks to leave your system. Then again, if they are when needed meds, that is a different story. I don't blame either of them really in this situation. But, the relationship, as it were, started in a non genuine way. Blitz was more of a sex worker if you think about it.
we shouldn’t pretend this is the first time Stolas has tried to level with Blitz In Oops, Blitz mockingly talks about how Stolas will asking him things like how his day is going Stolas was the one who wanted to talk to him during and after their date, even without sex involved Not to mention the months of letting Blitz not sleep with him on the full moon Stolas has been since been tryna communicate that this isn’t just sex Now is it not enough? Is it to little too late? Well…maybe…who knows
Blitz cant accept that stolas actually has feelings for him, which is why he keeps pushing him away when stolas tries to have a genuine conversation. And part of the reason he believes that is because of stolas and how he makes blitz feel. It's hard to try and bring someone closer to you when all you've done is make them feel used on top of their already existing trauma
@@Ardyez But that is Blitz's problem, not that of Stolas. The fact he feels used just because Stolas is of a higher standing is based on his own bias. Stolas shouldn't have to deal with his classicm as well.
The problem with this is their entire set-up and how it's so based in pretense. Let me take you on a little journey to my pen and paper days. We've had multiple occasions that went something like this: Player 1: "Actually, I'm a bit hungry." Game Master: "Ok. Roll for survival skills to see what [Character's name] can find in your vicinity." Player 1: "No, I mean that I, [Player's name] am hungry. Can we take a break and order pizza?" We all laughed, Pizza was ordered and a good rest of the evening was had. But what I just described is essentially the entire problem between Stolas and Blitz: a lack of boundaries in their interaction. Essentially, everything was part of their sex scenario from the word go, and they never took a break from that. It started with Blitz using sex to distract from his true purpose (stealing) and Stolas leaning into it way too hard. It then continues with Stolas constantly intruding sexually into clearly inappropriate situations: At the office, when Blitz is out on a hit (and running for his life!), during a bodyguard gig, at the Harvest Moon festival and even when they are trying to find Stolas' daughter in LA. Blitz tries to shut this down on numerous occasions, with Stolas not taking him seriously, thinking it's part of their scenario/dynamic. So how is Blitz to know that THIS time Stolas is serious and not just hitting the ground running on a more emotional scenario? Hell, even making him beg (and cry) for the book in the beginning, only to then drop a love-bomb could be read as a sexual power play of denial and reward. Same with Ozzie's - since none of them really tipped their hand on how devastating this was for them (Stolas even waving it off via text later as "Oh Asmodeus, he thinks he's so funny, I hope it didn't bother you." and Blitz matching that indifference so as not to appear as the "weak one"), the whole thing could just be a "Let's pretend we're on an actual date"-scenario, with the other people as a wildcard ruining THAT and thus the evening. This is the reason why clear communication of "Ok, I'm serious now, this is not in-game - I am actually hungry/tired/hurt" is so important, especially when kinky practices are involved. Savewords and colour charts exist for a reason, and Stolas and Blitz never seemed to have developed such a communiation system - otherwise Stolas would have effectively and efficiently shut Blitz down during his sex shop haul. Yes, a normal person would have eventually figured out that this is not fun and games anymore, but this is Blitz Buckzo we're talking about. The man who made avoiding complications his entire personality. And he DID figure it out eventually and completely changed tack after that.
@@Mediados No, he feels used because stolas was literally using him. Stolas went out of his way to make their arrangement a deal, rather than just letting him use the book and having a actual relationship. Stolas was literally using blitz like a prostitute, with the book as payment.
@@B3A5TorSomething At the beginning, yes. But that changed very quickly, and Stolas tried explaining that to Blitz more than once. Since then it has been Blitz who was gaslighting himself, using Stolas's position to get what he wanted.
I think these characters are united by a deep-seated fear that they are unloveable. I think this is kicking off some serious introspection for Blitz because, for once, HE’S on the receiving end of treatment he’s dealt in the past: not giving partners a choice and blowing up the relationship once it potentially became more intimate. He’s frustrated and blindsided and hurt, rightfully so. Just like Verosika was when he bailed and stole her money. So now he’s forced to confront his own pattern of behavior, finally seeing how bitter his own medicine is. Working on reaching out to Stolas is fundamentally going to be working on himself; how do you convince someone who thinks they’re unloveable that you care?
Wait, that's such a good point! I totally think, as heartbreaking as this was, Bltiz needed this badly. Now you're making me wonder what will make Stolas reflect on his actions and shortcomings in this whole ordeal. As it stands now, Blitz has to have the capacity to want to change, but we don't know if Stolas even heard anything Blitz said to him. Stolas either heard all the stuff Blitz said about him treating Blitz like an "impish little play thing", and was just to triggered at the moment to react to it, or he diddn't hear (or chose to ignore) it and focus on "how low" Blitz thinks of him.
Finally someone else who noticed! We saw him take some pills when we first saw him use the bottles of happy pills and lately he was taking handsful like he was gobbling candy. Taking happy pills for too long teaches the brain to rely on the pills for serotonin so the withdrawal means little to no happies. Meanwhile in an alternate universe Stolas still had happy pills and maybe he would have been a little more patient and less dismissive? We'll never know.
Someone else theories that the fact that he's off his meds is probably the reason he was this open with words and to the pain of rejection, whether it's actually a rejection or not
The whole clown popularity thing is most likely due to Hell being themed like a circus and Lucifer being the ringleader, but it could also be alluding or hinting to Hell being a "Fool's Paradise," kind of thing.
Stolas may have ended his forced relationship with Blitz and Blitz may have secretly still wanted to keep his relationship with Stolas, But sadly Blitz just didn't know the right way to say that he did. Which is why it's a good thing that after this Blitz is gonna do what Stolas did and start working himself and hopefully they'll get back together after Blitz has changed.
He won't kill himself, too many fragile people in the audience who can't handle it and Luna has to be there for him to die, she promised, and she knows how to do the Batman Exit which easily prevents him from trying.
I might be bias towards Stolas because I've had a “I think so highly of you. I never realized you thought so low of me” moment but it sure doesn't feel like an olive branch when the worst things you've said to yourself are being yelled at you by someone you care about 😢 I really don't think there is any more Stolas could have done in the moment. Blitzø needs to figure out if he wants to have a relationship with Stolas or if he only ever thought of it as a business arrangement.
I may be wrong but my perspective on it was that Blitz didn't really comprehend the feelings being genuine and just went into to a rage in panic/confusion when he realized what he said to be true. He didn't really have any time to genuinely think about it and their relationship up to that point was just transactional, for the most part. Blitzo was of course using denial as a coping mechanism the whole time which fed into his course of action.
Well… 1. Don’t start off the conversation by saying I’ll be taking the book back permanently. That put Blitz on edge real fast. So much so he started begging Stolas to not lose his livelihood. 2. When Blitz didn’t realize the confession was for real and eventually asked to confirm that Stolas was being for real, Stolas immediately decided that was the answer he was looking for and decided not to continue talking anymore. Man took over how the conversation went (and Blitz’ choice when he decided for Blitz what was an answer and what was not.) 3. Not expect it to go like a romantic fairytale where it can get resolved real quick and people know what they want and be able to express it properly when they need to. He knew his audience so he shouldn’t expect the emotionally constipates Blitz to be able to be vulnerable off rip and give him an answer right then and there. Blitz needed time to think and process something he felt came out of nowhere (as Blitz even stated in the episode). Yeah Blitz shouldn’t have been so mocking but Stolas shouldn’t have walked away and refused to listen to Blitz once he realized it wasn’t roleplay. The guy who runs away from his problems, when given the crystal and already informed on what it does, had the first instinct to say I can do better; running after Stolas when he leaves the room and basically tells him to turn around, stop trying to dismiss him, and continue the conversation. Also, the “I’m hurt your first instinct was that it was about sex” lines. Who proposed the arrangement and started trying to seduce who over the phone when the other was clearly in distress (being chased in e woods by someone trying to kill him)? Who brought who over to Loo Loo Land just to ogle them? Who asked for something in return after saving the other AND called them a plaything right before? Blitz had many examples he could have given to be like “uh this is why and you’re a hypocrite for walking away because of that.” Blitz messed up massively with the mocking and escalation but you can’t look at Stolas and be like “there was nothing he could have done better”.
@@silversuperfan1412Fr, I hope that the writers go the direction of pointing out that some of what Blitzo said was literally just the truth and that both have their flaws, and don't make Stolas out as the only victim. They both hurt each other.
@@silversuperfan1412 I think the reason Stolas immediately jumped the gun when Blitz was confused/thought it was a joke is because as shown in the episode he was out of his meds and struggling to keep the self-deprecating thoughts at bay there's even a line in the duet where he says something along the lines of "i'll listen to him and not the voice that says i'm not enough" so when Blitz came over Stolas wasn't in the best place mentally to be having that conversation so at the first sign of perceived rejection he wanted to end the conversation so he wouldn't have to hear Blitz directly say he didn't love him because hearing that would only hurt him more than he already is because Stolas already feels like he's not enough so hearing Blitz essentially confirm it would break him so he shuts the conversation down before he can be hurt more
@@silversuperfan1412 So well put. They're both messed up people, I hate that so many people treat Stolas like a blameless victim and brush off his actions. They're equally to blame but Blitz gets all the hate from most fans
Besides all the drama I'm so glad to see Fizz and Blitz hanging out casual as friends. And can we talk about Fizz' new drip? He is ready for the pride month! I love the rainbow pants! 🌈 He always has the best outfits. Happy pride month! ❤️🏳️🌈
I’m not a Stolas fan but like…bro, you’re not gonna yell, scream, follow me while screaming insults at me and think I HAVE to do anything but show you the door like…? Lmao give him a moment to think my left buttcheek nobody has to take that kind of crappy reaction on the chin just because you can’t see past your towering self hatred. Trauma definitely explains our bad reactions but it doesn’t excuse it, not even when we empathize with the character
Not a Viv fan so I wouldn’t know. You don’t have to like someone to like their show or art. If anything I’m a Brandon Rogers fan. Seems like he’s the one who made this show good.
Well it's a fictional show so obviously not, but, like, IRL the unironically healthiest thing for the Stolitz relationship to do is permanently get away from each other (and therapy).
The Cherubs are under impression everything in hell is engineered towards hurting humanity in some way. They’re only technically right but that’s just because hell is such a terrible place. They would have no idea what they’re looking at in the Lust Ring because they’re such prudes they would never think of them. The only person that’d understand even half of it would have been Adam.
I kinda hoped they got an explanation before going back to the human world because they're probably just thinking those device things are going to be used on humans still
Their whole relationship is like a Greek tragedy. A downfall so slowly unfolding and messy that it becomes a cringing epic, something you can't look away from. So many opportunities to patch it up squandered because of petty miscommunications and deep, unresolved traumas. And we the viewers act as the muttering chorus, watching them circle the drain, trying to figure out if they'll fall or rise. It's almost torturous.
I’d like to note something I’ve noticed over the years. People who have trust issues (whether it be other people they don’t trust or themselves) thrive on “Transactional relationships”. I think Blitzo has been hurt to such a degree that that is the only type of relationship he can handle anymore and those it deeply upset him when it’s no longer what was happening, even though he got his way in the end.
This episode was just a huge punch in the gut. This isn't to say that it was bad, but I've grown to love the IMP crew, and Stolas as well. The fact that it ended on such a note and so suddenly just makes me sad. I hope they get back together because if they can start from zero and build a real relationship, I think they can be great together!
Dude let's not pretend Stolas is totally innocent in this. These two weren't dating, they had a contractual relationship with each other where once a month they'd have sex so Blitz could keep the book. It's been stated constantly in this series. Would you rather they stay together in this contractual relationship, where Blitz has to keep sleeping with Stolas so he can keep his business ? Because it makes me wonder about the audience and if they have the ability to understand anything about the situation how messed up it is ?
Whether anyone else sees it or not, they truly both love each other. Blitzø has been hurt though from his past. The circus, is the first one to come to most minds but really his father is to blame for all. Think about how his father treated him, basically pretending to love him just so he’d do something for him and his mom.
Ive heard people complain that the Cherubs and DHORKS were unneeded filler for this, but, to me, they were the perfect tool for this episode. Without them, Blitz and Stolas's relationship probably wouldnt have deteriorated. Think about it. IMP was already trailing Blitz to make sure he didnt screw things up. Something needed to distract them, and do it long enough that Blitz can screw it up. And the Cherubs and DHORKS are the only people who could do that.
A bit of a TMI: As someone who relates to Stolas, I feel like Stolas was in the wrong. Yeah, Blitzø has the self-loathing issues that hold him back, but as much as Stolas preached giving Blitzø an option, he takes it away by avoiding a conversation. I myself have done this to people in my life, and I have tried to fix it, but I admit that breaking a coping mechanism is difficult.
Stolas didn't even give Blitz a moment to even process everything that was going on.... It felt like stolas was in a rush to get it all over with. Add to the fact that Blitz hates himself, it makes Blitz feel even more shitty about himself because he think he's getting abandoned. And this is directly after Blitz shopped around to get everything to make the night enjoyable for stolas
I feel like that's because Blitz response is usually a no or negative to him. I know it's unfair to not give Blitz a chance to speak but he hasn't shown to be that open to listen and understanding others. Heck it took after him being high with Moxxie to finally open up some and not be a total dick.
@@chetarisin3035 Yeah, I definitely feel like if things are going the way I think they are in 'apology tour', that for them to move forward any apologies can't just be one-sided. Stolas needs to acknowledge how he may have played off of Blitz's insecurities, if even unintentionally, and how in his own emotional outburst he wanted to be listened to, but basically refused to listen to Blitz's side. Stolas makes assumption about Blitz's attitude as one that holds Stolas in low regard because Stolas holds himself in low regard. Blitz likely holds Stolas in impossibly high regard, thinking that Stolas is essentially untouchable, and only recently even found out that he can actually be hurt. Even if you don't hate yourself, can you imagine how hard it must be to contemplate such a being having honest, romantic feelings for you? Blitz's own feelings of unworthiness, and the past of their relationship largely just being about sex, it's no wonder that that is what he fell back on in his first instinct rather than trusting that Stolas' confession was honest. There was hypocrisy in Stolas not immediately getting the answer he wanted, and kind of putting Blitz on the spot, only to avoid listening to the rebuttals and then pushing Blitz away and being just as dismissive as Blitz accused him of being in the end. I like a little phrase, "you have two ears and one mouth. Listen twice before speaking once." They need to truly listen to and acknowledge each-other. If things go to "Oh, stolas, I'm sorry about how I acted, and I want you to know... I do care." and just "Oh Blitzy, I'm so happy to hear you say that!", it wouldn't truly acknowledge both sides and the feelings that cause the underlying issues.
@@chetarisin3035Exactly. Which is why have this "relationship" broken off is a good thing. It was completely contractional and both parties were suffering so, having this broken was a good thing. This will allow these two to work out their own issues and better themselves. Because having to have a contractual relationship, where you have to sleep with someone once a month to keep a book that keeps your business from going to pieces, is kind of messed up.
I've gotta say that I'm Team Stolas here. I see all of the comments saying he didn't give Blitzo any indication things weren't about sex, but the signs were popping up mid-season one. Harvest Moon he invites Blitzo and his employees to the festival with no expectation of sex, he comes to Blitzo's rescue in Truth Seeker (where Blitzo turns things to sex), he tries to have a nice date at Ozzie's (not realizing Blitzo is just using him again), and after everything he does try multiple times to at least start a conversation but gets shut down. Then he starts giving Blitzo an out, which Blitzo clearly took every single time. It's hard to indicate something to someone who has serious issues, especially when you also have serious issues. Stolas should have given him time to process, but Blitzo also shouldn't have avoided the issues for several months...or lied about why he was avoiding him.
I gotta disagree with you on the points about the harvest moon and truth seekers. Although he does invite Blitz to the festival without making it a sex thing, he keeps using the demeaning petnames for Blitz constantly. Blitz has good reason to not see that as any indication of genuine feelings. As for truth seekers, stolas literally asks something to the effect of "Am I going to get any thank you for the rescue" which prompts Blitz to initiate sex, and Stolas accepting makes it clear that's what he wanted. Also keep in mind that while at Ozzie's although Stolas was acting more romantically interested, he did seriously reject the idea of being seen with Blitz when called out. That kind of rejection would definitely contribute to why Blitz feels that Stolas couldnt possibly love him, especially with his issues. I get why you would take Stolas's side, but you're blatantly ignoring his actions. They're both seriously wrong in how they handled the situation.
@@kaileychambers6969 I disagree with the demeaning part of the pet names, at least intentionally. I'd wager that Stolas thought it was romantic pet names, because he literally dials it back following Harvest Moon after Blitzo insists on using his name right. And intent does matter. As for Truth Seekers, we literally don't know what Stolas was asking for so him accepting Blitzo's offer literally doesn't mean anything no matter how Blitzo took it. And one of the things no one seems to take into account is the added pressure at Ozzie's of being confronted by images of his daughter while also being in a state where he was questioning his decision to pursue Blitzo...which Blitzo admittedly didn't know but we as the audience do. But following that Blitxo denied Stolas any chance to clear things up and explain himself, took every out that Stolas gave him because he'd rather keep things simple, Stolas would be dead with Blitzo being his last thought if Stella hadn't been convinced to call Striker off, and then Blitzo didn't even visit him once after that while sticking to his "Stolas doesn't actually care"" mindset. Then in Full Moon his first instinct when Stolas mentioned it was time to give the book back was to lie about being busy, which Stolas likely doesn't know but we do. And his first instinct after Stolas confessed wasn't to need a minute, it was to reject the idea that Stolas was serious and instigate a roleplay and then to get mad when Stolas took that as his answer and lash out at him. They may both be wrong, but just the fact that Stolas has been trying puts Blitzo way more in the wrong for me. But agreed they are both in the wrong.
That is absolutely true. If anything, Blitz has been using Stolas's feelings for his advantage, but gives him the blame for it just because he is a noble. This bias and discrimination is nothing Stolas should have to deal with, he deserves better.
@@ohnogirl3856 An Imp is literally what Blitzo is, so that is a non-issue. It's no more insulting than Blitzo making some remark acknowledging Stolas is a bird basically whenever he's talking about him. And the same episode he called Blitzo his plaything during his intimidating performance to Dhorks, he called Blitzo darling to his face, which is romantic, in the same breath as seeing if he's okay. But during their "date" he addressed Blitzo as Blitz, respecting his wishes all night long. Yes, he still calls him Blitzy sometimes, but he calls him by name just as if not more often.
I can see where people are coming from with stolas fucking up by not giving blitzo a chance to really thin about things, but what is he expected to do, espcially when blitzo refuses to actually talk even when we are told that he's been trying to do (for example in the episode's opening song blitzo directly states he's been avoiding stolas' 'questions'). It's gonna feel sudden when the guy yu've been refusing to talk to wants to have an actual conversation. And he was pretty quiet during blitzo's tirade so clearly that WAS the moment to let him take it in...and what does blitzo do? instead trying to actually think and talk things out or absorb anything, he DOESN'T do that. No does he offer any olive branches. instead Blitzo LASHES OUT. He berates stolas for wanting to cut things off, to make the relaitonship mroe serious. Hell Stolas wans't breakign up with him, he only took away blitzo's excuse to be with him. But Blitzo's first response after unintentionally mocking stolas' feelings is to SHOUT at him, to scream and insult him, offering nothing but hostility. Blitzo's anger comes from a place of fear, because a serious relaitonship is scary to him. Without the book he has to actually face his feelings for stolas, and rather than do that he tries to act like stolas is somehow wronging him for taking the book away. Which jsut leads to him saying things that confirms Stolas' fears, that blitzo never respected him let alone loved him, only slept with him for the book. its also theorised that Blitzo acting so hostile was reminisent of stella, and its possible that stolas didn't want to see the man he loved act like the woman who made his life hell, resulting in him suddenly casting Blitzo out. But that's just a theory
I think my favorite detail from season 2 is stolas longer calling bliz by his petname "blizy", i think he only calls him that, while he's being kidnapped by striker in episode 4, it really goes to show how much Stolas was trying to change and take his relationship with bliz a little more serious
Their relationship was transactional from day one when Paimon bought Blitz for a play date. Blitz only showed up in Stolas' life again when he came to rob him for the second time and only slept with him out of pity. Stolas then uses the theft to set up an arrangement for monthly pleasure in exchange for not demanding he return the book. If Blitz had refused the deal he would have lost his business because he needed the book to even make it possible. And you thought that was a healthy relationship?
Its funny to think that the whole time Blitz thought he was the pawn to Stolas, but apparently, since they were kids, Blitz has actually been the one controlling Stolas, not the other way around like he thought. After all, the whole time, since then, he has only ever been using Stolas as a means to an end. While Stolas genuinely cared for the friendship and relationship they had with one another regardless of whether he knew he was being used the whole time or not. Sure, Stolas used the grim as a means to get what he wanted out of blitz. But even then, technically, Blitz always got more out of that deal than Stolas.
Since the "Cherubs" were literally banished from Heaven over a whole season ago, you'd think they would be in hell by now like Lucifer, but somehow they're still on Earth and are still ANGELS?! 🤔🤨🤯 This doesn't exactly make any sense, but seeing Helluva Boss is a separate series from the Hazbin Hotel, maybe in this show, angels don't go directly to Hell after being kicked out of Heaven and can still remain as angels on earth.
In Hazbin Hotel, when lucifer was banished out of heaven, his own creation is what made hell. Lucifer had powers that were able to essentially create the beginning of hell. as for the hellborn, some of the higher ups (like seven sins and goetia) have powers that can create portals between the human world and hell. I am not really sure if cherubs have powers and if they do, not sure if they can create portals. They were told on earth that they were banished from heaven so maybe at that point, that couldn’t create a portal to bring themselves to hell and thought they were stuck on earth? Idk it’s weird for sure but ultimately it’s a question of whether they knew they had powers to make a portal or not. could also be that they just simply didn’t want to go to hell and decided amongst themselves to stay on earth? just my thoughts 😅
@@cherrunous7387 yeah but can you expect someone who was was quite literally in an abusive relationship for at least 17 years, one where his wife would scream and berate him for years. talking about him so cruelly within earshot to NOT shut down when blitz was literally screaming at him at the top of his lungs? when he finally allowed himself to be vulnerable to someone, someone he was actually in love with for once, take his confession as a joke? like yeah blitz didn't realize he was being serious but both of these characters are broken people in their own ways. they were both communicating, but not in a way each other needed. so it fell apart. they were both quite literally triggered in this situation lmao.
he took the confession as a joke because of how his trauma shaped him to believe it was a joke. and at the same time you can't expect him not to think stolas was serious when his entire life he was hated for causing nothing but pain for the ones he had relationships with, losing the only person to show him affection unconditionally (his mom) and believing someone with a higher status would truly choose an imp than any one else, even hell hounds get more praise than that. stolas has his rights to be upset but it seems like most people forget blitz also has a reason to think someone like stolas wouldn't truly love him even with his advances to prove otherwise. trauma affects people differently and generally I've seen people ignore that and assume he straight up doesn't care for stolas even when moxxie confirms he pushes people away in FEAR of losing them yet he craves the affection he's pushing away. and in the latest episode where blitz speaks before thinking on how it would affect stolas it was clear he was regretful. they both were. now just to remind, both are valid for what their trauma has forced them to see the other as but people dumb the situation down so much to where it seems like blitz has no reason to be upset when he does. it isn't okay for what blitz did but his trauma is never brought up like stolas . stolas not being able to grasp on why blitz feels what he feels isn't his fault but is blissfully ignorant when others point it out (Asmodeus) and the fact he got EMBARASSED when it was pointed out by him.
Doesn’t really feel like Blitzo is extending an olive branch when all he’s doing is telling and saying toxic likes to Stolas. Just like Stella always said to Stolas. It makes sense for Stolas to shut down when Blitzo is being confrontational to him just like Stella was being confrontational to him. In my eyes. Blitzo blew it. Stolas was trying to be genuine and open. But Blitzo wasn’t taking this seriously. He even admitted to blowing off Stolas and not talking to him so he has no one to blame but himself for having no prep time.
I feel bad that Blitzo and Stolas used each other for their own wants and benefits. But Stolas seems to regret what he did to Blitzo, by using him. I hope those two will forgive each other and start a relationship with each other. But more importantly, I hope those two will turn around, face each other, and they'll look each other's way. 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
The only time Stolas didn’t make it about sex was Ozzie’s, which ended horribly. Blitz has not seen all of the lengths and reflection Stolas has gone through, so it makes sense he would assume it was a joke. And technically, Blitz roleplaying means that he wants to keep being with Stolas (in a very twisted way mind you) just not in the way he wanted. Stolas inadvertently took the choice from Blitz.
Jeez, thank you for pointing this out. Literally every other person has been on Stolas' side, outright refusing to see how much of a horrible person he is, honestly he's just as bad as Blitz
I knew this break up was happening. Their relationship was never gonna work considering how it started. That’s why they needed to break up. So they can start over.
exactly! End the arrangement and the toxic relationship with it to begin a new relationship with 2 people that care for each other and no “contract” to be seen!
I think they should just stay friends. No sex is involved, nothing to gain, just friends. Stolas really deserves someone better than Blitz and Stella. Would be nice if Vassago will be that new healthy partner for him :/ but after having my heart broken with the JJK anime I've learned not to get my hopes up lol
I’ll admit that when I first watched this episode I was so desperate to be 100% on Stolas’ side because he’s my favorite character. But I feel like the HB fandom tends to forget that Blitzø and Stolas are way more similar than we realize - the biggest difference is that Blitzø pushes and over reacts when it’s reciprocated while Stolas pulls and over reacts when it’s resisted. Stolas did a good job at first. Maybe he could’ve done some things different but he was really good at explaining his feelings. But then Blitzø pulled away like he always does. So Stolas over reacted to the resistance and tried to run away, which triggered Blitzø’s over reaction, the fault doesn’t solely lie in either of them - I don’t even know if I’d say it lies more in one than the other. The issue lies in the fact that neither of them know how to communicate with the other unless they’re using some sort of script they plan beforehand.
I think Stolas made it pretty clear he wasn't roleplaying after the party, in this last situations I feel it really falls on Blitzo cause like, how would anyone react if the person that just hurted you also started yelling at you? lol
I find it hilarious that pretty much all of us only cared about stolas and blitzo and not the fact that the cherub and dork agents now have enough man power for an army. 🤣 Lol. Which I'm pretty sure they're gonna come back again. 🤔
Itonically Asmodeus tried ti warn Stolas when he told him he didnt have a love potion for him. He also did tell him that was not how love worked, coincidentally he might be the best eealtionship consuler in Hell .
Blitzo actually really loves Stolas, he just doesn’t think Stolas feels the same way, which is why he thought he was joking. He thought he was manipulating or tricking him somehow. Because “there’s no possible way someone like him could love someone like me.”
Puoi dire che si amino davvero? Secondo me no: forse si piacciono. Non si conoscono bene: in fondo il loro era una "relazione" da contratto, nella quale non c'era il bisogno di conoscersi a fondo. Ma forse entrambi hanno iniziato a provare qualcosa di profondo nel tempo, e ciononostante non è bastato😢
@@lauracuomo7717 I translated your response, and yea you’re right. They have a sort of crush on each other, but not much more. But enough is there to turn into something more if they can both learn how to work together in a healthy way.
This might be one of the best episodes of the whole show. I like seeing the CHERUBS and the DHORKS agents working together and how they work together despite being relatively naive. That moment between Stolas and Blitz is truly one of the best scenes of the show and brutal with how real it felt. Stolas having true caring feelings for Blitz yet realising that he's outgrown the lustful desire of their relationship and in his time of self reflection he's come to realise Blitz doesn't care about him in the same way. What's even more real is how Blitz processed the "break up" as Blitz deep down inside does care about Stolas but he can't express that love and ever since he's constantly felt like burden to others he loved thus his mind goes into an impulsive defensive state where he thinks all he needs is sex and lust with Stolas when he truly wants more than that and in a way the sex with Stolas was closet thing hes had to an intimate emotional relationship in years. Damn the writing in this episode was great 👍 The animation team truly killed it with animated the facial expressions and Brandon Rogers and Bryce Pinkman did an excellent job delivering those lines.🥺 Btw nice to hear Erica Lindback voice again as Loona
stolas actually told blitz what their relationship was going to be in episode 1. "You bring the book to me every full moon followed by a night of personification". To blitz it just seems like a transaction stolas even alludes to that fact as well in the new episode in their conversation. We as an audience know that stolas has these feelings towards blitz but other than episode 1 they have not sat down and talked about being in an actual relationship. The flirting just comes along with the package. To blitz it feels as though stolas just threw this at him and thus his response thinking it's a role playing cause that's all they've done. Stolas doesn't even give blitz time to process before walking out on blitz. Even as blitz tries to talk to him (which he spoke no lies in that speach) stolas only hears what he wants and instead of talking and giving him that choice like he sung about. He shoves blitz out. I am completely on blitz side and I believe stolas is a hypocrite because of one line " and for you to think this was all about sex". The relationship WAS about sex in his own words you can't fault blitz for stolas's miscommunication.
Remember tho that after Ozzies Stolas tried to reach out multiple times to talk (you can read Stolas's text messages to Blitz in ep 4 of Season 2); Blitz even in this episode in the song says he's been avoiding Stolas' questions, so although unfair to bombard Blitz and expect him to be serious, Blitz brought that upon himself when Stolas gave many opportunities before to talk properly
@@Davinki651 It’s because of Ozzie’s that Blitz shut down. The song was talking about Lust versus Love. Blitz was getting bashed by all the people he previously loved. During the line “you sold up life for a thrust, now that’s the spirit of lust” Stolas HID basically rejecting Blitz (in his eyes) and saying all that’s between is lust. Personally if I was publicly humiliated and my date (intentionally or not) joined in, I would withdraw too. I also would want to avoid talking about that as well. In Blitz’s case, that’s the equivalent of his Boss. If he upsets him in any way that could be the end of his business. This episode was the first time Blitz confronted Stolas and of course everything bottled up would come out during that.
@sedarue123 that's fair, honestly, I can agree with that; only thing is that Blitz dug a bit of a grave for himself by ignoring Stolas (whether Blitz had valid emotional reasons or not) so Blitz getting bombarded in one night after Stolas bottled up his feelings for a couple months was kinda inevitable; Stolas was also very patient and direct when explaining the situation to him initially, all things considering
@@Davinki651 they both dug that grave. One thing I noticed about Stolas, is contrary to Blitz, he has a habit of bottling up, running away, and making light of situations. He spent 17 years in a loveless marriage being verbally abused by his wife and not standing up for himself. He made light his relationship with Blitz, calling him a plaything and holding his status over him (unintentionally). When kidnapped by striker, he made light the situation AGAIN and made it seem like the situation wasn’t dire. His Texts made excuses for his behavior and made light the severity of that night. Of course blitz isn’t going to take him seriously since Stolas had never acted seriously with him, apart from when his daughter is involved. And Stolas walked away and pushed him out when Blitz confronted. Blitz aggressively confronts, and Stolas stubbornly hides
Blitz isn't wrong about Stolas. Throughout season 1 Stolas treated Blitz very poorly if not intentionally. When he rescued them from the agents there was a very demeaning tone then he demanded a reward. At Ozzy's he hid behind a menu when Blitz needed him. Stolas waiting for the full moon to spring this on Blitz wasn't the right time. While Blitz isn't fully right himself in how he originally manipulated Stolas to get the book he did have feelings as he could of just left stolas instead of sleeping with him. Stolas lives to much in a fantasy world where Blitz is the opposite. They will fall in love but it will take time that will take up the rest of season 2.
When has he treated blitz poorly? *he made a deal so they could use the book, not like he could hand it over for free. *he did not demand a reward, he was just asking if he'd get one for saving their asses. Also, he had a right to be demeaning because that was a big screw-up on IMP's part. *the stuff at ozzie's was blitz's fault and stolas tried to cheer him up after
0:52 I wouldn't say they refused to listen to each other, at least not at first, it's more like they misunderstood what they were saying or meant and it just fell down from there. Of course it turned into an actual refusal to listen, or at the very least an accidental cut off, when Stolas teleported Blitzo outside of his home.
Honestly I think it was something that needed to be done. Regardless of how gut wrenching the ending was, the relationship was never not toxic. It caused a lot of problems with Stolas mental health and family life...well family as in Octavia
As someone that fucks up all his relationships, he found solace in the threat that - if he fucked up - he could lose the book and thus his company. It gave him a reason not to mess up the relationship and keep trying. In a sense, the threat that Stolas broke off was like saying "now I will allow you to do what you always do to everyone you care about". Blitz didn't wanna lose Stolas, but he knows that without some sort of threat to keep him committed, he will eventually do something to push Stolas away.
Agreed. Blitz was not taking that conversation seriously at all. Stolas has true feelings for Blitz, however Blitz only saw it as transactional. However Blitz could (still) be dealing with his own issues. That could have caused the his reaction to Stolas's confession and subsequent anger towards Stolas at the end.
I half agree. Blitz definitely didnt think it was serious at first but when it was clarified stolas was serious, he tried correcting himself. When he tried seriously engaging in the conversation, Stolas totally shut him down. I'm not saying Blitz handled it well at all, but he definitely did get serious.
I don’t think it’s stolas’s fault, they where never going to work blitzo would never have a personal, emotional, relationship with stolas not cause he doesn’t want too but he knows he’s viewed as inferior. Stolas likely knows that so he offers a way out but hopes he will stay any way.
Poor communication and misinterpretation are their biggest weaknesses and they were on full display here.🥺 Although I know Stolas laid out a lot with his proposal and that Blitz definitely has a right to process everything and be able to speak how he feels, the assumption and subsequent reaction that Stolas had said all those heartfelt things as an act of role playing was heartbreaking.😭 I know Blitz can’t accept that someone could actually love him and that’s why he can be so dismissive, but Stolas had been giving him signs of wanting to talk and trying to be more respectful along with not just wanting Blitz for his body.😭 It was also so sad that Blitz got justifiably scared that he’d lose his business and him begging Stolas was tragic.😭 “Apology Tour” will hopefully have them start to reconcile, likely with all of Blitz’s failed relationships laid out and him start to see he needs to change too because he messed up as well.🥺
I feel like something is being left out of this. Even the sound design in this scene was used very well. The echo used, not only as words that Stolas will no doubt echo in his mind for years to come, but also because those words Blitz is spitting are a literal echo of his own past. His words may have been at Stolas, but they were meant for the royal who originally abused him.
I'm really sad to see it but blitz had it coming for not opening up to solace about his feelings for him.😢 I really hope he learns to become a better person because of it
I've noticed a consistent thing where men keep reading this as Blitz being totally reasonable but angry, but if you actually watch the scene it's not Stolas leaving to dismiss Blitz, he's leaving because his feelings got hurt and he's trying to keep it in, and be mature to not hurt Blitz. When Blitz begins chasing him he's reminded of Stella, who abused and chased after him. He doesn't get ANGRY in a fight, he shuts down. He doesn't have any recourse when someone is unkind to him. I think it's unreasonable to act like Stolas removing himself from the situation as it began escalating. Stolas was hugging himself, trying to self soothe. It was not in fact him trying to continue the power dynamic by dismissing him. They BOTH can't handle strong emotions, Blitz explodes or avoids. Stolas buries his feelings deep down after he is hurt, but he HAD reached out and told Blitz what he wanted.
Stolas was in the wrong 100% I am so sickened by the beginning scene of their break up, where Stolas let Blitz believe he was losing the book permanently. Stolas let him beg, grovel and cry because he needed the book, and said he would do absolutely anything, which confirms Stolas knowingly or not used his power to pressure a lower class man into sex. Blitz opted out of sex when Stolas gave him the option to. Also Blitz ending rant was right about Stolas, Stolas has never treated any imps with respect, not M&M, his butler or even Blitz. We haven't seen him improve. It was also toxic to teleport Blitz out after making sure he got the last word, proving their toxic power imbalance and Stolas willingness to use it to his advantage.
I am sorry but BOTH Stolas and Blitz messed this up. You can't change my mind that Stolas had the power in this scene and he abused it. He KNOWS that Blitz needs to get into the human world for his job. So WHY did Blitz have to start begging and crying before Stolas showed him the crystal?! Blitz was freaking out there! And after Blitz messed it up with that fake "i love you" Stolas didn't even listen to him properly anymore. No, yelling at Stolas like this was not cool. But Stolas had the power here and at least for Blitz, this confession came out of nowhere. We all know that he believed that this was just a deal. I can see how people see Stolas as ..... softer(?) but he messed up here. Blitz did have good points. He didn't have the time to think and react to it. All that was on impuls. And stolas playing with his feelings is also true looking back to Blitz crying and begging. This whole conversation was doomed from the start for both of them.
That's the big thing that people forget some times, I think - WE see Stolas being sad, anxious, how much he thinks about Blitz, and even the looks he gives him when Blitz isn't looking, but the *characters don't know about stuff that happens when they're offscreen*. From Blitz's perspective, even if Stolas thought he was being super obvious, Blitz hates himself SO much, to the point of scratching his own face out of all the pictures he has hung up at his place, that it'd take a nuclear bomb going off (like the one that Stolas dropped on him in this episode) for him to notice someone having a genuine interest in him. And then add to that the fact that when given the opportunity to display more genuine feeling previously, Stolas has also dropped the ball in MAJOR ways, like being embarrassed to be seen with him at Ozzy's, and of course the mercenary, forced nature of the start of their relationship that, while recontextualized in later episodes, did still happen.
IMO Both, but Mostly Stolas, We need to remember he is a kinda hipocrite because from first episodes he treats blitzo like a typical "imp play thing" and now, he saying blitz think only about sex? for real?
it goes to show that when you have somebody who is constantly looking for love like stolas trying to be with somebody who really doesn't know what love really is like let alone knows how to even remotely express love well like blitzo, the relationship isn't exactly gonna be a healthy 1
Blitzø and Stolas's relationship is a flaming dumpster, and has been from the start, with a wadded up five, and a slim fit condom. Stolas for all his trying, is cognitively unaware of the fact that Blitzø knew from the very start of their relationship that he was a 'bought commodity'. Even though they did have fun in the end, Blitzø always knew his role as a 'bought commodity'. This oft overlooked point keeps Stolas from actually seeing Blitzø's own trauma, naively believing that their friendship was genuine with reciprocal emotions. Blitzø is very much not that, due to his being aware of being a 'bought commodity' at the time. Blitzø is in fact a survivor of a mild form of 'child trafficking' and neglect and devaluation by his money hungry father, Cash Buckzo. Blitz has had the blame for his family's break up, including the death of his mother, and maiming of his best friend (prospective lover) and possibly sister, and consequent failure of the family business loaded onto him. This was seemingly done by his father, who is also responsible for the rift of misunderstanding between Blitzø and Fizz, and the other survivors of the circus fire. Worse, Blitzø seems to have accepted that regardless of what measure of blame may rightly be his. Stolas, for all his genuine benign intentions towards Blitzø, is utterly unaware of the background trauma that keeps Blitzø from seeing their interactions as anything other than 'transactional' as would be expected from a devalued (possibly disowned), blame ridden, survivor of 'commodification of another being'.
Stolas wants to end their arrangement and give Blitzo the "choice" but throughout all of their interactions, and this last one, Stolas STILL never listens to Blitzo at all. No wonder why Blitzo said all that, everything he said was right. Stolas has never explained. Oooo I hate the miscommunication trope.
what an interesting episode, i really hope that the show acknowledges they both need to do some work. not just blitz, cause stolas while i sympathise with him he ironically didnt give blitz much of a choice in full moon (for understandable reasons ... but still! XD)
In my opinion, there were multiple chances on both sides to turn the conversation to something more productive, right up until Blitz raised his voice. As much as I love Blitz, he was completely out of line in lashing out the way he did. I understand why he did it, I know he has deep-rooted trauma, but that doesn't excuse you screaming at someone you care about.
Just throwing shots in the dark here but, I believe that Episode one of Helluvaboss is in fact from Blitz's perspe ctive; an interpretation instead of what might have actually occured. 1. As we can see immediately from the episode after, Stolas is shown as much more sympathetic as he subverts the initial impression we had of him from the preceding episode. 2. The villains of that video, so far we get to see every and I mean every villain return in some way with the only exception being Martha and the cannibal family from that episode, and before you think otherwise, it's not specfic to demons as we clearly see the Agents return in the most recent video, this further reinforces the idea that episode 1 was fake. 3. Returning back to the theory, we know that Blitz has a plethora of broken relationships and 'enemies' and this is shown through numerous episodes having one of these past relationships become the titular theme of the respective episode.
I hate how everyone is mostly on stolas side in this one. Blitz was in the right. Their relationship was just sex at first. He has the right to feel the way he feels and stolas didnt listen. He was so caught up in his own head and only listened to the bad parts Blitz said. Not where he was coming from
9:25 I don’t know if somebody noticed but in the background of this scene, covered by a red cloth, it’s that chandelier with glowing gems that appears in the episode Stolas and Blitz are kids and were having so much fun together Now it’s the background for the massive break up moment of their toxic arrangement Vivizipop always putting sour details to catch
I mean theyre both toxic as hell lol but blitz is way worse. Blitz is afraid of being used or someone being ashamed him , which stolas proved that at one point he was. Blitz is emotionally distant to the point of self-destruction. TLDR... They need therapy.
Something that someone pointed out to me is that fizz seems to have gained some weight since Mammon is no longer there to bully him into staying thin to keep the fizz bots thin for money reasons.
I felt like the Episode was too little too late... Coming out over half a year later after the last Episode in November, then only being 23 minutes long and then spending too much time on the subplot with the cherubs but the most important aspect, being Stolitz feeling rushed and Just crampt into the last 7 minutes of the show... That truly rubbed me the wrong way. I mean the ending even is one of the saddest cliffhanger endings i've seen in a long while... It's mean to end on such a note.
I feel like we should keep in mind why there’s a lot of sexual undertones in their relationship is because blitz went to stolas’ house trying to get his grimoire 😭
Maybe it's for the best Stolitz ended up being broken. Their relationship wasn't healthy at the start especially with their communication problems and with Blitz being really harsh to Stolas. Blitz will end up dying alone now.😞💔
I feel like even if Blitz was asking for a second chance, even if he was trying to pull him back, it didn't matter. That's not *what* he did. And that's more important. He could be right in how he feels about the situation, and he's right that Stolas set up the toxic relationship to begin with, but "sure it's a little insulting" doesn't equate to what he did. He hurt Stolas and the response was to treat it like a breakup.
One thing I have to say is that their conflict (demon royality and sex contracts put aside) is very realistic! What I mean is their actions during the "fight". Stolas shutting down and not listening to Blitz after he mocked his confession and Blitz yelling and insulting Stolas to get his point across, while it instead made Stolas even more hurt to the point he wanted to end the conversation right there and kicked Blitz out. Like danm!! As someone who has friends in a somewhat toxic relationship(they're trying to figure it out) this was exactly how their arguments usually go! Relationships can be very messy!
I strongly feel that Stolas is dumping Blitz for the right reasons, he wants to start over wants to be in a normal relationshipwith him , but Blitz failed to look at it like that. I believe the two are going to copy Fizz and Ozzie later on.
You know I just thought of something, knowing what we know now, what happened at the circus, what happened to blitz and fizz? Makes me wonder why he didn’t have a different reaction to seeing a burning robo fizz coming out of a burning circus tent..
I mean.. blitz’s wasn’t WRONG- Stolas never had mentioned wanting anything more up until this point- and now he is just throwing all this onto blitz. I could see why that would be stressful for him.
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This episode was heavy…
…I can’t believe Agent One turned out to be a furry…
I believe.
i believe too..
this is very believable actually...
you will not believe your eyes….
if ten million fireflies
@@fairyberrybluelit up the world as I fell asleep
Technically, stolas didn't break up with Blitzo, he just broke up the contract with him. He finally told him how he truly feels and Blitzo took offense to it because he thought Stolas was just using him like royalty does with his kind.
Yes!!! Blitz " broke up" With him.
Stolas banished that RETARD & he had evey right to do so after Fuckso threw it in his face!!!!!
But technically (not against Stolas here) Stolas did use Blitzø, he put Blitzø in a contract that he didn’t want to be in at first, it’s still a sort of toxic relationship if you think about it. But I do hope that they can get back together in a way that they’re both happy and apologise to/forgive the other
@@QUEENOBSCURENo, he asked Stolas to stay with him and Stolas threw him out.
He did break up with him. He asked Blitz for a relationship and then acted like Blitz didn't want one instead of listening to him. Then when Blitz finally started to tell him how he felt he said goodbye and threw him out. Stolas broke up whatever relationship they had.
Stolas and Blitzø both f*cked up here. This is the closest they've gotten to talking about their feelings, but they're still not really listening to each other or seeing the other's perspective. Blitzø refuses to believe Stolas could actually love him, and Stolas has yet to fully apologize for making Blitzø feel used.
Bro Stolas literally said that the transactional forced relationship was wrong, he said to point blank
Also if you recall, this whole transaction thing started with Blitz tryna steal that book and using sex to distract him from stealing it
Blitz used Stolas first if anything
Let’s not pretend that Stolas fucked up anywhere near as much as Blitz did
Stolas did his intro a bit poorly but after Blitz started panic rambling, Stolas leveled with him and said nothing but the truth, point blank, in a way that is hard to misinterpret
He said, “I care about you and your business, you don’t have to stay, but if you want to, but only if you want to” you don’t get more clear than that
Only for Blitz to sabatoge himself and shut the whole thing down with his nonsense. Which to anyone who doesn’t know how deep Blitz’s personal issues run just looks insulting
(Blitz has never properly communicated these issue to Stolas so Stolas had no way of knowing)
@@sweethysteria8737 true, but from Blitzo's perspective what else there? Stolas, until the second season, gave little indication of wanting to have a relationship with Blitzo beyond sex.
and what he did indicate was in private, Blitzo wasn't around to see any of his development.
@@sweethysteria8737that’s true but in season 1 episode 1 Stolas calls Blitzo to establish the arrangement, Blitzo did use stolas first, but then Stolas makes use of him in return. Stolas mistook Blitzos advancement in their first night together as potential feelings and intimacy with his first friend. The transaction gave them both what they wanted, however they both miscommunicated what the true intentions were, and settled with the arrangement just to walk away satisfied with the situation. Blitz gets the book, Stolas gets a crumb of affection. Both want to feel wanted, not needed, the relationship they had created just a need for each other, and nothing under the surface was both ways
At least Stolas tried to make things right. Yes, it blew up in his face but I think it was a step in the right direction for him to become a better person (ironic since he's a demon)
That final scene was honestly SO painful because it showed their biggest problems.
Stolas while genuine in his feelings, unintentionally controls the conversation and automatically assumes what Blitzø is thinking while not actually ASKING what he wants, and Blitzø doing everything that he can to completely ignore any real conversation about their issues to avoid getting hurt, and completely lashing out when he can't.
This results in Stolas thinking that his first friend and love only saw him as a privileged prince despite all his efforts to show him that he always saw them as equals, and Blitzø once again adding another person to the list of people who he genuinely loves but pushed away because he was too afraid to show it, right as he was finally allowing himself to be vulnerable.
You know they're eventually going to make up, but it's definitely going to take them both jumping through A LOT of hurdles before their relationship can even remotely become a healthy one.
I swear I've seen this comment before...
Your spot on in my opinion, but I guess we will find out
Excellent summarization
Isn't this the script in another of cartoon universe's videos?
@@xenoemblem7ikr
“I think so highly of you. I never thought you so low of me.” I have a ouchie in here.💔💔💔💔
You can’t hit me with my own feelings
Phineas and Ferb reference?
@@yoanamariakrasteva3392 yes, the ouchie part
Can you blame him for thinking lowly of him? Dude been forcing Blitz to do it with him.
@@InvasionAnimation Yeah, this episode makes Stolas a bit of a hypocrite.
I'm honestly flabbergasted how many people interpret Blitz's yelling in that scene as 'trying to communicate' or 'offering an olive branch' like here.
I don't know how many people have actually been at the receiving end of a lashing like that, but that was *not* what I got from that outburst. That was the kind of yelling that was _inviting vitriol back._ That was *absolutely* Blitz trying to make Stolas yell at him back, to force an argument to happen.
Maybe it's because he thinks it's what he deserves, maybe because he doesn't come from a background where peacefully talking things out bears fruit, but either way BOY WAS IT NOT IN ANY WAY A GOOD THING.
I think Blitz was 100% expecting them to verbally fight it out, but we know from the rest of the show with Stolas' life with Stella that yelling and fighting back is _not_ something Stolas does without an immense amount of forethought and effort and going against his instincts. I think it then also makes 100% sense that Stolas' first instinct was to remove Blitz from the situation. He didn't want to yell at Blitz, and he didn't want Blitz yelling at him.
It didn't makes the situation _better,_ but it makes complete sense for where he's at.
This comment needs to be pinned, people need to acknowledge this part
THANK YOU. A lot of people, I’m realizing, consider yelling and screaming to be a genuine part of healthy conversation and that’s a PROBLEM. Yes, Stolis should’ve asked him to tone it down, and not just used his power to dismiss him, but YELLING isn’t an olive branch. Like…I’m sorry, it’s just not
There is a difference though, between something being good and something making sense. I could totally see where Blitz was coming from and I'm mostly on his side in this altercation. However, if somebody came on to me like that, my first instinct would also be to protect myself. In my case, that would probably be shouting back or at least loudly demanding the other person to either calm down or leave. The problem that you correctly identified though is that Stolas fight on the complete opposite end of the spectrum, which is not at all.
If one side keeps retreating and the other keeps attacking, that's a problem.
But there was a break. After Blitz has said his piece he waited for a reaction from Stolas. Stolas reacted (with that sentence that made everybody cry). And rather than start venting again, Blitz moved in to comfort Stolas because he saw that Stolas was no longr angry but sad.
Also: Blitz's tirade only started after Stolas let him run into every open knife emotionally, then dumped the love confession on him, and left without hearing him out. He decided how this whole scenario went, how much information was being given and when/how it ended. Blitz was just along for the ride, trying to keep up (signified by his running after Stolas).
But everything he said was right. Stolas at points was using him, stolas treated him as a toy multiple times (and called him such), and stolas literally dismissed him like he said he would. Blitz was only wrong about how stolas sees himself, but he was quite correct.
I was at some point of my life in that receiving part and I reacted pretty similar honestly, I don't really blame Stolas for transporting Blitzø out, I mean, of course both of them have a lot of things they did wrong in this conversation and in their relationship, and they definitely have to talk it out, but to be honest, they probably need some time, trauma doesn't let you react the way you'll want all the time and that's exactly what happen here to both of them, the power coercion is something that existed in their relationship till now, even if Blitzø used Stolas first, Stolas had the power to end Blitzø's business and life if he wanted, he corrected this by giving him the crystal, but an apology is 100% necessary here, for that and the covering his face situation, the same goes to Blitzø, he decided to not see him for months, he does not what to communicate properly, and when he decided to actually communicate he did it so poorly it triggered Stolas, they have to actually sit and talk about how they felt and WHY they felt like that, what relationship it had with their trauma and actually find a way to work it out or just finally leave it there and keep going in separate ways
Man watching this episode broke my soul. This episode really sets up the apology tour. Blitz may try to truly apologize to those he's hurt as to not cause the same fallout that happened between Blitz and Stolas
The rage of Blitzø and the sadness of Stolas... Brandon and Bryce did an amazing work here. The last 8 minutes of this episode were a masterpiece. The absolute culmination of they entire relationship. Brutal. "Blitzø, I think so highly of you. I didn't know you thought so low of me." That line and Stolas crying is so heartbreaking. What a gut punch to end the episode on.
I complete agree with Brandon and Bryce's work in this episode! So much believable emotion in both their voices at the end. I think the two Bs work very well together to make these characters so incredibly real to us.
I’ve seen a few people saying that Stolas dumping his feelings on Blitz with no time for him to think was bad of him. But I personally don’t agree that this is the case.
They’ve been suggesting for a while that Stolas has been trying to explain to Blitz he wants more than just a physical relationship; like after the fallout of their ‘date’ at Oz’s and after Stolas gets kidnapped by Striker. But because Stolas has no idea how to communicate with Blitz he’s been backing down or giving him an out each time because he didn’t want to force Blitz out of his comfort zone; which I think is why they haven’t met up for a few months like Blitz says.
Blitz even outright says he’s been avoiding talking to Stolas in the song when he says he’s been “avoiding his questions”. Both Blitz and Stolas acknowledge that there is something wrong with their current relationship; Stolas decides to try and talk to Blitz but Blitz initially tries to avoid acknowledging it with sex.
So it’s implied Stolas has been trying to have this heavy conversation with Blitz for a while but Blitz keeps avoiding it. For me it makes sense Stolas assumes Blitz doesn’t care when he thinks Stolas is joking; after he’s been avoiding him for so long, even going as far as not replying to Stolas’ request to see him when he was in hospital.
If you give someone an option to not see you and they choose to take that every single time then you would assume they don’t like you, even without the self worth issues Stolas has.
Yeah, even in that episode in the song at the beginning, Blitzo mentions "getting by by avoiding his questions" after asking if they "are okay" so yeah, I think Stolas has been trying to ask for a long time but Blitzo avoids him when he does.
I definitely agree. I'm a casual watcher and fan (and seeing the Fandom escalate so hard after this episode reinforces to me again WHY) and in my opinion it is absurd to say that "Stolas never tried communicating to Blitz that he wants more than Sex" because ever since Ozzie's, Stolas is doing 90% of the communication in this ship. It actually started annoying me by now that Stolas is over and over again the only one communicating because the show barely develops their badly clashing trauma response, it only constantly adds explanation and elaboration on WHY their traumatized while simultaneously adding more and more negative outcomes from their clashing trauma responses.
I understand and sympathize with both Blitz and Stolas in Full Moon because what happened was absolutely predictable because that's all the show ever does with them.
The biggest development that happened was Stolas kicking Blitz out by the end because Stolas learned through standing up to Stella to lash back when being screamed at and being insulted by wanting said person out of his home.
Like, by all means, I'm still desperately waiting for any kind of actual development for BLITZ in Stoliz. He wasn't developed much in any major way regarding how he handles his trauma and that's all I can see in Full Moon, even if I perfectly understand where he's coming from and why he feels the way he does.
I'm just so annoyed that the show always does the same thing over and over again with these two, just always on a bigger scale which heavily divides the Fandom in damaging ways :/
@@CatalinaLinal7710 I agree Stolas has had a lot more character development in regards to their relationship. I’ve seen a lot of people keep saying Stolas is to blame for making the relationship just about sex; but this hasn’t actually been the case for a while.
Since at least Ozzie’s Stolas has shown he wants this to be a real relationship; he was ecstatic at the idea of going on a real date with Blitz, while Blitz just ignored him to stalk M&M. Yes Stolas hurt Blitz in this episode by not defending him when Oz called out the relationship but Biltz was was completely dismissive of him until that point. And when Stolas is hospitalised he asks Blitz to visit him, in a situation that is obviously nothing to do with sex, but Blitz doesn’t reply.
I think it’s also very interesting to consider that in Full Moon both Blitz and Stolas acknowledge something is wrong with their relationship during the opening song. But Blitz is the one who spends the whole song and episode trying to use sex to brush over the issue.
At the beginning of the show Stolas did make it very sexual every time he interacted with Blitz; but as they then showed up in the flashback to the start of their relationship he was trying to match the energy Blitz started. They’ve shown Stolas has actually been trying to redirect the relationship away from just being physical for a while but Blitz has chosen to not take notice wanting to keep the status quo despite it not working for them. They both have issues that cause them to self sabotage the relationship but Stolas did try to change the boundaries of the relationship to make it better while Blitz has tried to avoid the elephant in the room by redirecting it back to just sex
@@Halfbad-bf1lt Gosh, the beginning song. It's very well done but so frustrating because of the repetitive nature of their dynamic.
I was SO unbelievably relieved that we finally got Blitz singing again. Musical numbers are one of the most effective ways to flesh out your characters and it's insane that Stolas (and Fizz for that matter) gets so many songs but Blitz gets hardly anything and even that is wasted to a degree on unnecessary comedy.
"When I see him" shows that perfectly. I love Blitz' first verse because it is entirely used the way it should be: to inform us about his feelings, actions, behavior, what he thinks, and how his pov is supposed to be read. Perfect. I love it so much!
Then in the middle part, the problem creeps in but isn't a problem yet. Blitz may be saying things that by themselves don't give us any information anymore, but they heavily clash with his strong mannerism, mimic, and the harsh tone of the segment which turns the non-informative lyrics on their head to still be able to convey alot of information about Blitz, even if it's already LESS than before.
But afterwards? Man... Everything from "Can't wait to lose ourselves in nasty sex" basically looses all meaning while Stolas get informative lines til the very end.
I know "It depicts how Blitz' verbal copying mechanism works!" blah blah blah. My dude, I don't CARE. Blitz is the main character, let that man TALK for fucks sake! This show cannot afford wasting so much of Blitz' on-screen communication on comedy and depicting such harsh trauma mechanisms that basically leaves your main character voiceless to a solid portion of the viewers, especially when the show hardly ever DOES anything with it.
Regarding their communication development (in-universe and as narrative tools) it's only Stolas who feels right at this late point of season 2. Blitz in Stoliz on the other hand feels like he's stuck at the end of what a well-paced season 1 would have been.
@@CatalinaLinal7710 I imagine the next parts of the series will be more focused on Blitz’s development, especially Apology Tour. While it can be frustrating that his development is so slow paced it it has at least been a constant characteristic of Blitz; it took until around when he was caught by DHORK before he started to acknowledge he does like Stolas and he stopped viewing his a an annoyance that he had to tolerate.
I think the break up is intended to be the big, dramatic ‘do or die’ moment that is intended to force Blitz to be more proactive and actually decide what he wants and force him to fight for it
Just a reminder stolas ran out of his anti depression meds in the beginning of the episode so his emotions was super high at the end making him irrational.
You're telling me the only reason we got this episode is because feathers ran outta pills??? 🙂💢
@@BlooMonkiMan possibility lol. He hid in the fridge after he found out he was out 😂
@@BlooMonkiMan I should NOT be laughing at that but its so accurate lmao
@@Shadowwarrior2288 I will admit that line "IM GONNA DIE ALONE" in the fridge make me snicker. It's a great line but the delivery was hilarious
How long had he run out. It would take a few days for most depression, or bipolar meds in my case, to start losing some effect. And at least 2-4 weeks to leave your system. Then again, if they are when needed meds, that is a different story.
I don't blame either of them really in this situation. But, the relationship, as it were, started in a non genuine way. Blitz was more of a sex worker if you think about it.
we shouldn’t pretend this is the first time Stolas has tried to level with Blitz
In Oops, Blitz mockingly talks about how Stolas will asking him things like how his day is going
Stolas was the one who wanted to talk to him during and after their date, even without sex involved
Not to mention the months of letting Blitz not sleep with him on the full moon
Stolas has been since been tryna communicate that this isn’t just sex
Now is it not enough? Is it to little too late?
Well…maybe…who knows
Blitz cant accept that stolas actually has feelings for him, which is why he keeps pushing him away when stolas tries to have a genuine conversation. And part of the reason he believes that is because of stolas and how he makes blitz feel. It's hard to try and bring someone closer to you when all you've done is make them feel used on top of their already existing trauma
@@Ardyez But that is Blitz's problem, not that of Stolas. The fact he feels used just because Stolas is of a higher standing is based on his own bias. Stolas shouldn't have to deal with his classicm as well.
The problem with this is their entire set-up and how it's so based in pretense.
Let me take you on a little journey to my pen and paper days. We've had multiple occasions that went something like this:
Player 1: "Actually, I'm a bit hungry."
Game Master: "Ok. Roll for survival skills to see what [Character's name] can find in your vicinity."
Player 1: "No, I mean that I, [Player's name] am hungry. Can we take a break and order pizza?"
We all laughed, Pizza was ordered and a good rest of the evening was had.
But what I just described is essentially the entire problem between Stolas and Blitz: a lack of boundaries in their interaction.
Essentially, everything was part of their sex scenario from the word go, and they never took a break from that. It started with Blitz using sex to distract from his true purpose (stealing) and Stolas leaning into it way too hard.
It then continues with Stolas constantly intruding sexually into clearly inappropriate situations: At the office, when Blitz is out on a hit (and running for his life!), during a bodyguard gig, at the Harvest Moon festival and even when they are trying to find Stolas' daughter in LA.
Blitz tries to shut this down on numerous occasions, with Stolas not taking him seriously, thinking it's part of their scenario/dynamic.
So how is Blitz to know that THIS time Stolas is serious and not just hitting the ground running on a more emotional scenario? Hell, even making him beg (and cry) for the book in the beginning, only to then drop a love-bomb could be read as a sexual power play of denial and reward.
Same with Ozzie's - since none of them really tipped their hand on how devastating this was for them (Stolas even waving it off via text later as "Oh Asmodeus, he thinks he's so funny, I hope it didn't bother you." and Blitz matching that indifference so as not to appear as the "weak one"), the whole thing could just be a "Let's pretend we're on an actual date"-scenario, with the other people as a wildcard ruining THAT and thus the evening.
This is the reason why clear communication of "Ok, I'm serious now, this is not in-game - I am actually hungry/tired/hurt" is so important, especially when kinky practices are involved. Savewords and colour charts exist for a reason, and Stolas and Blitz never seemed to have developed such a communiation system - otherwise Stolas would have effectively and efficiently shut Blitz down during his sex shop haul.
Yes, a normal person would have eventually figured out that this is not fun and games anymore, but this is Blitz Buckzo we're talking about. The man who made avoiding complications his entire personality. And he DID figure it out eventually and completely changed tack after that.
@@Mediados No, he feels used because stolas was literally using him. Stolas went out of his way to make their arrangement a deal, rather than just letting him use the book and having a actual relationship. Stolas was literally using blitz like a prostitute, with the book as payment.
@@B3A5TorSomething At the beginning, yes. But that changed very quickly, and Stolas tried explaining that to Blitz more than once. Since then it has been Blitz who was gaslighting himself, using Stolas's position to get what he wanted.
I think these characters are united by a deep-seated fear that they are unloveable. I think this is kicking off some serious introspection for Blitz because, for once, HE’S on the receiving end of treatment he’s dealt in the past: not giving partners a choice and blowing up the relationship once it potentially became more intimate.
He’s frustrated and blindsided and hurt, rightfully so. Just like Verosika was when he bailed and stole her money.
So now he’s forced to confront his own pattern of behavior, finally seeing how bitter his own medicine is.
Working on reaching out to Stolas is fundamentally going to be working on himself; how do you convince someone who thinks they’re unloveable that you care?
Wait, that's such a good point! I totally think, as heartbreaking as this was, Bltiz needed this badly. Now you're making me wonder what will make Stolas reflect on his actions and shortcomings in this whole ordeal. As it stands now, Blitz has to have the capacity to want to change, but we don't know if Stolas even heard anything Blitz said to him.
Stolas either heard all the stuff Blitz said about him treating Blitz like an "impish little play thing", and was just to triggered at the moment to react to it, or he diddn't hear (or chose to ignore) it and focus on "how low" Blitz thinks of him.
@@demon_spawn_3191 Stolas' introspection already happened and led him to give the crystal
Also stolas is off he’s meds this entire time probably wouldn’t be able to think straight.
Yo, good catch! I forgot about that until you mentioned it
Finally someone else who noticed! We saw him take some pills when we first saw him use the bottles of happy pills and lately he was taking handsful like he was gobbling candy. Taking happy pills for too long teaches the brain to rely on the pills for serotonin so the withdrawal means little to no happies.
Meanwhile in an alternate universe Stolas still had happy pills and maybe he would have been a little more patient and less dismissive? We'll never know.
Someone else theories that the fact that he's off his meds is probably the reason he was this open with words and to the pain of rejection, whether it's actually a rejection or not
Ah yea because Stolas the one who withdrew himself from the situation is the one wrong here
The whole clown popularity thing is most likely due to Hell being themed like a circus and Lucifer being the ringleader, but it could also be alluding or hinting to Hell being a "Fool's Paradise," kind of thing.
Stolas may have ended his forced relationship with Blitz and Blitz may have secretly still wanted to keep his relationship with Stolas, But sadly Blitz just didn't know the right way to say that he did. Which is why it's a good thing that after this Blitz is gonna do what Stolas did and start working himself and hopefully they'll get back together after Blitz has changed.
I just hope that Fizz stands up for Blitz during the song in Apology Tour, because if he doesn’t, I’m worried Blitz might attempt suicide
He won't kill himself, too many fragile people in the audience who can't handle it and Luna has to be there for him to die, she promised, and she knows how to do the Batman Exit which easily prevents him from trying.
@@tiredbird471 I know he won’t kill himself, but I’m worried he might try
Would Blitz-O offing himself really be the worst thing?
@@ZeldaSam1???!!! Excuse me??! Why!?
@@ZeldaSam1you really hate him huh 😭 deadnaming and everything
I might be bias towards Stolas because I've had a “I think so highly of you. I never realized you thought so low of me” moment but it sure doesn't feel like an olive branch when the worst things you've said to yourself are being yelled at you by someone you care about 😢 I really don't think there is any more Stolas could have done in the moment. Blitzø needs to figure out if he wants to have a relationship with Stolas or if he only ever thought of it as a business arrangement.
I may be wrong but my perspective on it was that Blitz didn't really comprehend the feelings being genuine and just went into to a rage in panic/confusion when he realized what he said to be true. He didn't really have any time to genuinely think about it and their relationship up to that point was just transactional, for the most part. Blitzo was of course using denial as a coping mechanism the whole time which fed into his course of action.
Well…
1. Don’t start off the conversation by saying I’ll be taking the book back permanently. That put Blitz on edge real fast. So much so he started begging Stolas to not lose his livelihood.
2. When Blitz didn’t realize the confession was for real and eventually asked to confirm that Stolas was being for real, Stolas immediately decided that was the answer he was looking for and decided not to continue talking anymore. Man took over how the conversation went (and Blitz’ choice when he decided for Blitz what was an answer and what was not.)
3. Not expect it to go like a romantic fairytale where it can get resolved real quick and people know what they want and be able to express it properly when they need to. He knew his audience so he shouldn’t expect the emotionally constipates Blitz to be able to be vulnerable off rip and give him an answer right then and there. Blitz needed time to think and process something he felt came out of nowhere (as Blitz even stated in the episode). Yeah Blitz shouldn’t have been so mocking but Stolas shouldn’t have walked away and refused to listen to Blitz once he realized it wasn’t roleplay.
The guy who runs away from his problems, when given the crystal and already informed on what it does, had the first instinct to say I can do better; running after Stolas when he leaves the room and basically tells him to turn around, stop trying to dismiss him, and continue the conversation.
Also, the “I’m hurt your first instinct was that it was about sex” lines. Who proposed the arrangement and started trying to seduce who over the phone when the other was clearly in distress (being chased in e woods by someone trying to kill him)? Who brought who over to Loo Loo Land just to ogle them? Who asked for something in return after saving the other AND called them a plaything right before?
Blitz had many examples he could have given to be like “uh this is why and you’re a hypocrite for walking away because of that.”
Blitz messed up massively with the mocking and escalation but you can’t look at Stolas and be like “there was nothing he could have done better”.
@@silversuperfan1412Fr, I hope that the writers go the direction of pointing out that some of what Blitzo said was literally just the truth and that both have their flaws, and don't make Stolas out as the only victim. They both hurt each other.
@@silversuperfan1412 I think the reason Stolas immediately jumped the gun when Blitz was confused/thought it was a joke is because as shown in the episode he was out of his meds and struggling to keep the self-deprecating thoughts at bay there's even a line in the duet where he says something along the lines of "i'll listen to him and not the voice that says i'm not enough" so when Blitz came over Stolas wasn't in the best place mentally to be having that conversation so at the first sign of perceived rejection he wanted to end the conversation so he wouldn't have to hear Blitz directly say he didn't love him because hearing that would only hurt him more than he already is because Stolas already feels like he's not enough so hearing Blitz essentially confirm it would break him so he shuts the conversation down before he can be hurt more
@@silversuperfan1412 So well put. They're both messed up people, I hate that so many people treat Stolas like a blameless victim and brush off his actions. They're equally to blame but Blitz gets all the hate from most fans
Besides all the drama I'm so glad to see Fizz and Blitz hanging out casual as friends. And can we talk about Fizz' new drip? He is ready for the pride month! I love the rainbow pants! 🌈 He always has the best outfits. Happy pride month! ❤️🏳️🌈
I’m not a Stolas fan but like…bro, you’re not gonna yell, scream, follow me while screaming insults at me and think I HAVE to do anything but show you the door like…? Lmao give him a moment to think my left buttcheek nobody has to take that kind of crappy reaction on the chin just because you can’t see past your towering self hatred. Trauma definitely explains our bad reactions but it doesn’t excuse it, not even when we empathize with the character
Bold of you to assume that Vivziepop fans care about the stability or healthiness of a relationship.
Not a Viv fan so I wouldn’t know. You don’t have to like someone to like their show or art. If anything I’m a Brandon Rogers fan. Seems like he’s the one who made this show good.
Chill🤣its a observation
@@starry-p by that, I meant Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss fans
Well it's a fictional show so obviously not, but, like, IRL the unironically healthiest thing for the Stolitz relationship to do is permanently get away from each other (and therapy).
@Happy06853 I'm a fan of both of those shows and I care
I liked how the Cherub were actually worried about humans when they were following Blitzo.
The Cherubs are under impression everything in hell is engineered towards hurting humanity in some way. They’re only technically right but that’s just because hell is such a terrible place. They would have no idea what they’re looking at in the Lust Ring because they’re such prudes they would never think of them. The only person that’d understand even half of it would have been Adam.
I kinda hoped they got an explanation before going back to the human world because they're probably just thinking those device things are going to be used on humans still
Their whole relationship is like a Greek tragedy. A downfall so slowly unfolding and messy that it becomes a cringing epic, something you can't look away from. So many opportunities to patch it up squandered because of petty miscommunications and deep, unresolved traumas. And we the viewers act as the muttering chorus, watching them circle the drain, trying to figure out if they'll fall or rise. It's almost torturous.
I’d like to note something I’ve noticed over the years. People who have trust issues (whether it be other people they don’t trust or themselves) thrive on “Transactional relationships”. I think Blitzo has been hurt to such a degree that that is the only type of relationship he can handle anymore and those it deeply upset him when it’s no longer what was happening, even though he got his way in the end.
All the upvotes go here! This comment is underrated.
Don't forget to watch how my Impsona got his face scars at 17:37 !
Indeed
I hope your Impsona is okay.😬
Remember how I said I want them back.
You can keep them, unless you are planning on sending them to Val. Then sign me up.
That last bit was like a horror movie. 😂😭😱.
This episode was just a huge punch in the gut. This isn't to say that it was bad, but I've grown to love the IMP crew, and Stolas as well. The fact that it ended on such a note and so suddenly just makes me sad. I hope they get back together because if they can start from zero and build a real relationship, I think they can be great together!
See you at 2 more seasons, then.😉
It brakes my heart to know that Blitzø was trying to say he was sorry but Stolas pushed him away, as he should have.
I actually thought i was making this up since I've seen no one comment this so far lol
He says "Stolas I'm so-"
Dude let's not pretend Stolas is totally innocent in this. These two weren't dating, they had a contractual relationship with each other where once a month they'd have sex so Blitz could keep the book. It's been stated constantly in this series.
Would you rather they stay together in this contractual relationship, where Blitz has to keep sleeping with Stolas so he can keep his business ?
Because it makes me wonder about the audience and if they have the ability to understand anything about the situation how messed up it is ?
Whether anyone else sees it or not, they truly both love each other. Blitzø has been hurt though from his past. The circus, is the first one to come to most minds but really his father is to blame for all. Think about how his father treated him, basically pretending to love him just so he’d do something for him and his mom.
@@seeleunit2000 Welcome to real-world relationships and the nuance of it. Replace the contractual agreement of going to earth with kids.
@@BrokensoulRideror just straight up prostitution where it's legal.
Ive heard people complain that the Cherubs and DHORKS were unneeded filler for this, but, to me, they were the perfect tool for this episode. Without them, Blitz and Stolas's relationship probably wouldnt have deteriorated.
Think about it. IMP was already trailing Blitz to make sure he didnt screw things up. Something needed to distract them, and do it long enough that Blitz can screw it up. And the Cherubs and DHORKS are the only people who could do that.
A bit of a TMI:
As someone who relates to Stolas, I feel like Stolas was in the wrong. Yeah, Blitzø has the self-loathing issues that hold him back, but as much as Stolas preached giving Blitzø an option, he takes it away by avoiding a conversation. I myself have done this to people in my life, and I have tried to fix it, but I admit that breaking a coping mechanism is difficult.
Stolas didn't even give Blitz a moment to even process everything that was going on.... It felt like stolas was in a rush to get it all over with. Add to the fact that Blitz hates himself, it makes Blitz feel even more shitty about himself because he think he's getting abandoned. And this is directly after Blitz shopped around to get everything to make the night enjoyable for stolas
I feel like that's because Blitz response is usually a no or negative to him. I know it's unfair to not give Blitz a chance to speak but he hasn't shown to be that open to listen and understanding others. Heck it took after him being high with Moxxie to finally open up some and not be a total dick.
@@chetarisin3035 Yeah, I definitely feel like if things are going the way I think they are in 'apology tour', that for them to move forward any apologies can't just be one-sided. Stolas needs to acknowledge how he may have played off of Blitz's insecurities, if even unintentionally, and how in his own emotional outburst he wanted to be listened to, but basically refused to listen to Blitz's side.
Stolas makes assumption about Blitz's attitude as one that holds Stolas in low regard because Stolas holds himself in low regard. Blitz likely holds Stolas in impossibly high regard, thinking that Stolas is essentially untouchable, and only recently even found out that he can actually be hurt.
Even if you don't hate yourself, can you imagine how hard it must be to contemplate such a being having honest, romantic feelings for you? Blitz's own feelings of unworthiness, and the past of their relationship largely just being about sex, it's no wonder that that is what he fell back on in his first instinct rather than trusting that Stolas' confession was honest.
There was hypocrisy in Stolas not immediately getting the answer he wanted, and kind of putting Blitz on the spot, only to avoid listening to the rebuttals and then pushing Blitz away and being just as dismissive as Blitz accused him of being in the end.
I like a little phrase, "you have two ears and one mouth. Listen twice before speaking once."
They need to truly listen to and acknowledge each-other. If things go to "Oh, stolas, I'm sorry about how I acted, and I want you to know... I do care." and just "Oh Blitzy, I'm so happy to hear you say that!", it wouldn't truly acknowledge both sides and the feelings that cause the underlying issues.
@@luistigerfoxI like your phrase. It makes sense. The apology tour is going to be a great episode
@@chetarisin3035Exactly. Which is why have this "relationship" broken off is a good thing. It was completely contractional and both parties were suffering so, having this broken was a good thing.
This will allow these two to work out their own issues and better themselves. Because having to have a contractual relationship, where you have to sleep with someone once a month to keep a book that keeps your business from going to pieces, is kind of messed up.
I've gotta say that I'm Team Stolas here. I see all of the comments saying he didn't give Blitzo any indication things weren't about sex, but the signs were popping up mid-season one. Harvest Moon he invites Blitzo and his employees to the festival with no expectation of sex, he comes to Blitzo's rescue in Truth Seeker (where Blitzo turns things to sex), he tries to have a nice date at Ozzie's (not realizing Blitzo is just using him again), and after everything he does try multiple times to at least start a conversation but gets shut down. Then he starts giving Blitzo an out, which Blitzo clearly took every single time.
It's hard to indicate something to someone who has serious issues, especially when you also have serious issues. Stolas should have given him time to process, but Blitzo also shouldn't have avoided the issues for several months...or lied about why he was avoiding him.
I gotta disagree with you on the points about the harvest moon and truth seekers. Although he does invite Blitz to the festival without making it a sex thing, he keeps using the demeaning petnames for Blitz constantly. Blitz has good reason to not see that as any indication of genuine feelings. As for truth seekers, stolas literally asks something to the effect of "Am I going to get any thank you for the rescue" which prompts Blitz to initiate sex, and Stolas accepting makes it clear that's what he wanted. Also keep in mind that while at Ozzie's although Stolas was acting more romantically interested, he did seriously reject the idea of being seen with Blitz when called out. That kind of rejection would definitely contribute to why Blitz feels that Stolas couldnt possibly love him, especially with his issues. I get why you would take Stolas's side, but you're blatantly ignoring his actions. They're both seriously wrong in how they handled the situation.
@@kaileychambers6969 I disagree with the demeaning part of the pet names, at least intentionally. I'd wager that Stolas thought it was romantic pet names, because he literally dials it back following Harvest Moon after Blitzo insists on using his name right. And intent does matter. As for Truth Seekers, we literally don't know what Stolas was asking for so him accepting Blitzo's offer literally doesn't mean anything no matter how Blitzo took it. And one of the things no one seems to take into account is the added pressure at Ozzie's of being confronted by images of his daughter while also being in a state where he was questioning his decision to pursue Blitzo...which Blitzo admittedly didn't know but we as the audience do.
But following that Blitxo denied Stolas any chance to clear things up and explain himself, took every out that Stolas gave him because he'd rather keep things simple, Stolas would be dead with Blitzo being his last thought if Stella hadn't been convinced to call Striker off, and then Blitzo didn't even visit him once after that while sticking to his "Stolas doesn't actually care"" mindset. Then in Full Moon his first instinct when Stolas mentioned it was time to give the book back was to lie about being busy, which Stolas likely doesn't know but we do. And his first instinct after Stolas confessed wasn't to need a minute, it was to reject the idea that Stolas was serious and instigate a roleplay and then to get mad when Stolas took that as his answer and lash out at him. They may both be wrong, but just the fact that Stolas has been trying puts Blitzo way more in the wrong for me. But agreed they are both in the wrong.
That is absolutely true. If anything, Blitz has been using Stolas's feelings for his advantage, but gives him the blame for it just because he is a noble. This bias and discrimination is nothing Stolas should have to deal with, he deserves better.
@FullMoonDeria imp is not a romantic. Nor is a plaything and if your partner seems uncomfortable with it then it's not fair to call them that.
@@ohnogirl3856 An Imp is literally what Blitzo is, so that is a non-issue. It's no more insulting than Blitzo making some remark acknowledging Stolas is a bird basically whenever he's talking about him.
And the same episode he called Blitzo his plaything during his intimidating performance to Dhorks, he called Blitzo darling to his face, which is romantic, in the same breath as seeing if he's okay. But during their "date" he addressed Blitzo as Blitz, respecting his wishes all night long. Yes, he still calls him Blitzy sometimes, but he calls him by name just as if not more often.
This episode made me cry I swear.
@MidnightWolf_2006 cool!
I can see where people are coming from with stolas fucking up by not giving blitzo a chance to really thin about things, but what is he expected to do, espcially when blitzo refuses to actually talk even when we are told that he's been trying to do (for example in the episode's opening song blitzo directly states he's been avoiding stolas' 'questions'). It's gonna feel sudden when the guy yu've been refusing to talk to wants to have an actual conversation.
And he was pretty quiet during blitzo's tirade so clearly that WAS the moment to let him take it in...and what does blitzo do? instead trying to actually think and talk things out or absorb anything, he DOESN'T do that. No does he offer any olive branches.
instead Blitzo LASHES OUT. He berates stolas for wanting to cut things off, to make the relaitonship mroe serious. Hell Stolas wans't breakign up with him, he only took away blitzo's excuse to be with him. But Blitzo's first response after unintentionally mocking stolas' feelings is to SHOUT at him, to scream and insult him, offering nothing but hostility.
Blitzo's anger comes from a place of fear, because a serious relaitonship is scary to him. Without the book he has to actually face his feelings for stolas, and rather than do that he tries to act like stolas is somehow wronging him for taking the book away. Which jsut leads to him saying things that confirms Stolas' fears, that blitzo never respected him let alone loved him, only slept with him for the book.
its also theorised that Blitzo acting so hostile was reminisent of stella, and its possible that stolas didn't want to see the man he loved act like the woman who made his life hell, resulting in him suddenly casting Blitzo out. But that's just a theory
I think my favorite detail from season 2 is stolas longer calling bliz by his petname "blizy", i think he only calls him that, while he's being kidnapped by striker in episode 4, it really goes to show how much Stolas was trying to change and take his relationship with bliz a little more serious
I always thought Stolas's relationship with Blitz was healthier than his relationship with Stella, but now I don't know if that's true anymore. 😭💔💀
Their relationship was transactional from day one when Paimon bought Blitz for a play date. Blitz only showed up in Stolas' life again when he came to rob him for the second time and only slept with him out of pity. Stolas then uses the theft to set up an arrangement for monthly pleasure in exchange for not demanding he return the book. If Blitz had refused the deal he would have lost his business because he needed the book to even make it possible. And you thought that was a healthy relationship?
Its funny to think that the whole time Blitz thought he was the pawn to Stolas, but apparently, since they were kids, Blitz has actually been the one controlling Stolas, not the other way around like he thought. After all, the whole time, since then, he has only ever been using Stolas as a means to an end. While Stolas genuinely cared for the friendship and relationship they had with one another regardless of whether he knew he was being used the whole time or not.
Sure, Stolas used the grim as a means to get what he wanted out of blitz. But even then, technically, Blitz always got more out of that deal than Stolas.
Since the "Cherubs" were literally banished from Heaven over a whole season ago, you'd think they would be in hell by now like Lucifer, but somehow they're still on Earth and are still ANGELS?! 🤔🤨🤯 This doesn't exactly make any sense, but seeing Helluva Boss is a separate series from the Hazbin Hotel, maybe in this show, angels don't go directly to Hell after being kicked out of Heaven and can still remain as angels on earth.
In Hazbin Hotel, when lucifer was banished out of heaven, his own creation is what made hell. Lucifer had powers that were able to essentially create the beginning of hell.
as for the hellborn, some of the higher ups (like seven sins and goetia) have powers that can create portals between the human world and hell.
I am not really sure if cherubs have powers and if they do, not sure if they can create portals. They were told on earth that they were banished from heaven so maybe at that point, that couldn’t create a portal to bring themselves to hell and thought they were stuck on earth?
Idk it’s weird for sure but ultimately it’s a question of whether they knew they had powers to make a portal or not.
could also be that they just simply didn’t want to go to hell and decided amongst themselves to stay on earth?
just my thoughts 😅
"I think so highly of you."
How could Blitz know that though?
The moment blitz starts a serious conversation Stolas just goes "I don't wanna hear it bye"
@@cherrunous7387 😂😅🥲😢😭
@@cherrunous7387he went away because there was no point since blitz didnt believe him and due to blitz starting to insult him
@@cherrunous7387 yeah but can you expect someone who was was quite literally in an abusive relationship for at least 17 years, one where his wife would scream and berate him for years. talking about him so cruelly within earshot to NOT shut down when blitz was literally screaming at him at the top of his lungs? when he finally allowed himself to be vulnerable to someone, someone he was actually in love with for once, take his confession as a joke? like yeah blitz didn't realize he was being serious but both of these characters are broken people in their own ways. they were both communicating, but not in a way each other needed. so it fell apart. they were both quite literally triggered in this situation lmao.
he took the confession as a joke because of how his trauma shaped him to believe it was a joke. and at the same time you can't expect him not to think stolas was serious when his entire life he was hated for causing nothing but pain for the ones he had relationships with, losing the only person to show him affection unconditionally (his mom) and believing someone with a higher status would truly choose an imp than any one else, even hell hounds get more praise than that. stolas has his rights to be upset but it seems like most people forget blitz also has a reason to think someone like stolas wouldn't truly love him even with his advances to prove otherwise. trauma affects people differently and generally I've seen people ignore that and assume he straight up doesn't care for stolas even when moxxie confirms he pushes people away in FEAR of losing them yet he craves the affection he's pushing away. and in the latest episode where blitz speaks before thinking on how it would affect stolas it was clear he was regretful. they both were. now just to remind, both are valid for what their trauma has forced them to see the other as but people dumb the situation down so much to where it seems like blitz has no reason to be upset when he does. it isn't okay for what blitz did but his trauma is never brought up like stolas . stolas not being able to grasp on why blitz feels what he feels isn't his fault but is blissfully ignorant when others point it out (Asmodeus) and the fact he got EMBARASSED when it was pointed out by him.
Doesn’t really feel like Blitzo is extending an olive branch when all he’s doing is telling and saying toxic likes to Stolas. Just like Stella always said to Stolas.
It makes sense for Stolas to shut down when Blitzo is being confrontational to him just like Stella was being confrontational to him.
In my eyes. Blitzo blew it. Stolas was trying to be genuine and open. But Blitzo wasn’t taking this seriously. He even admitted to blowing off Stolas and not talking to him so he has no one to blame but himself for having no prep time.
I feel bad that Blitzo and Stolas used each other for their own wants and benefits. But Stolas seems to regret what he did to Blitzo, by using him. I hope those two will forgive each other and start a relationship with each other. But more importantly, I hope those two will turn around, face each other, and they'll look each other's way.
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honestly I think stolas did the right thing here
The only time Stolas didn’t make it about sex was Ozzie’s, which ended horribly. Blitz has not seen all of the lengths and reflection Stolas has gone through, so it makes sense he would assume it was a joke. And technically, Blitz roleplaying means that he wants to keep being with Stolas (in a very twisted way mind you) just not in the way he wanted. Stolas inadvertently took the choice from Blitz.
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Jeez, thank you for pointing this out. Literally every other person has been on Stolas' side, outright refusing to see how much of a horrible person he is, honestly he's just as bad as Blitz
“I’ll fu## die alone if this goes bad” - stolas
I knew this break up was happening. Their relationship was never gonna work considering how it started.
That’s why they needed to break up. So they can start over.
exactly! End the arrangement and the toxic relationship with it to begin a new relationship with 2 people that care for each other and no “contract” to be seen!
I honestly don't want to see them together, I'd like to see Stolas find someone for him. I'd like to see them end up as friends though
Oh 100%. Here's hoping they can work out how they feel and how to communicate openly in the future.
I think they should just stay friends. No sex is involved, nothing to gain, just friends. Stolas really deserves someone better than Blitz and Stella. Would be nice if Vassago will be that new healthy partner for him :/ but after having my heart broken with the JJK anime I've learned not to get my hopes up lol
I’ll admit that when I first watched this episode I was so desperate to be 100% on Stolas’ side because he’s my favorite character. But I feel like the HB fandom tends to forget that Blitzø and Stolas are way more similar than we realize - the biggest difference is that Blitzø pushes and over reacts when it’s reciprocated while Stolas pulls and over reacts when it’s resisted.
Stolas did a good job at first. Maybe he could’ve done some things different but he was really good at explaining his feelings. But then Blitzø pulled away like he always does. So Stolas over reacted to the resistance and tried to run away, which triggered Blitzø’s over reaction, the fault doesn’t solely lie in either of them - I don’t even know if I’d say it lies more in one than the other. The issue lies in the fact that neither of them know how to communicate with the other unless they’re using some sort of script they plan beforehand.
if I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. BLITZO AND STOLAS ARE BOTH IN THE WRONG HERE AND YET BOTH HAVE VALID POINTS
Im heartbroken after episode 8, but i bet this was set up or planned for episode 9. In episode 8, it got worse, i bet in episode 9 it will be better.
My nonfiction comes late so i didnt expect this. 12s thats fast, it was an accidental.
I think Stolas made it pretty clear he wasn't roleplaying after the party, in this last situations I feel it really falls on Blitzo cause like, how would anyone react if the person that just hurted you also started yelling at you? lol
I find it hilarious that pretty much all of us only cared about stolas and blitzo and not the fact that the cherub and dork agents now have enough man power for an army. 🤣 Lol. Which I'm pretty sure they're gonna come back again. 🤔
Itonically Asmodeus tried ti warn Stolas when he told him he didnt have a love potion for him. He also did tell him that was not how love worked, coincidentally he might be the best eealtionship consuler in Hell .
17:40 that was like a horror movie. The jumpscare scared the living scream out of me.
Blitzo actually really loves Stolas, he just doesn’t think Stolas feels the same way, which is why he thought he was joking. He thought he was manipulating or tricking him somehow. Because “there’s no possible way someone like him could love someone like me.”
Puoi dire che si amino davvero? Secondo me no: forse si piacciono. Non si conoscono bene: in fondo il loro era una "relazione" da contratto, nella quale non c'era il bisogno di conoscersi a fondo. Ma forse entrambi hanno iniziato a provare qualcosa di profondo nel tempo, e ciononostante non è bastato😢
@@lauracuomo7717 I translated your response, and yea you’re right. They have a sort of crush on each other, but not much more. But enough is there to turn into something more if they can both learn how to work together in a healthy way.
This might be one of the best episodes of the whole show. I like seeing the CHERUBS and the DHORKS agents working together and how they work together despite being relatively naive. That moment between Stolas and Blitz is truly one of the best scenes of the show and brutal with how real it felt. Stolas having true caring feelings for Blitz yet realising that he's outgrown the lustful desire of their relationship and in his time of self reflection he's come to realise Blitz doesn't care about him in the same way. What's even more real is how Blitz processed the "break up" as Blitz deep down inside does care about Stolas but he can't express that love and ever since he's constantly felt like burden to others he loved thus his mind goes into an impulsive defensive state where he thinks all he needs is sex and lust with Stolas when he truly wants more than that and in a way the sex with Stolas was closet thing hes had to an intimate emotional relationship in years. Damn the writing in this episode was great 👍
The animation team truly killed it with animated the facial expressions and Brandon Rogers and Bryce Pinkman did an excellent job delivering those lines.🥺
Btw nice to hear Erica Lindback voice again as Loona
stolas actually told blitz what their relationship was going to be in episode 1. "You bring the book to me every full moon followed by a night of personification". To blitz it just seems like a transaction stolas even alludes to that fact as well in the new episode in their conversation. We as an audience know that stolas has these feelings towards blitz but other than episode 1 they have not sat down and talked about being in an actual relationship. The flirting just comes along with the package. To blitz it feels as though stolas just threw this at him and thus his response thinking it's a role playing cause that's all they've done. Stolas doesn't even give blitz time to process before walking out on blitz. Even as blitz tries to talk to him (which he spoke no lies in that speach) stolas only hears what he wants and instead of talking and giving him that choice like he sung about. He shoves blitz out. I am completely on blitz side and I believe stolas is a hypocrite because of one line " and for you to think this was all about sex". The relationship WAS about sex in his own words you can't fault blitz for stolas's miscommunication.
Remember tho that after Ozzies Stolas tried to reach out multiple times to talk (you can read Stolas's text messages to Blitz in ep 4 of Season 2); Blitz even in this episode in the song says he's been avoiding Stolas' questions, so although unfair to bombard Blitz and expect him to be serious, Blitz brought that upon himself when Stolas gave many opportunities before to talk properly
@@Davinki651 It’s because of Ozzie’s that Blitz shut down. The song was talking about Lust versus Love. Blitz was getting bashed by all the people he previously loved. During the line “you sold up life for a thrust, now that’s the spirit of lust” Stolas HID basically rejecting Blitz (in his eyes) and saying all that’s between is lust. Personally if I was publicly humiliated and my date (intentionally or not) joined in, I would withdraw too. I also would want to avoid talking about that as well. In Blitz’s case, that’s the equivalent of his Boss. If he upsets him in any way that could be the end of his business. This episode was the first time Blitz confronted Stolas and of course everything bottled up would come out during that.
@sedarue123 that's fair, honestly, I can agree with that; only thing is that Blitz dug a bit of a grave for himself by ignoring Stolas (whether Blitz had valid emotional reasons or not) so Blitz getting bombarded in one night after Stolas bottled up his feelings for a couple months was kinda inevitable; Stolas was also very patient and direct when explaining the situation to him initially, all things considering
@@Davinki651 they both dug that grave. One thing I noticed about Stolas, is contrary to Blitz, he has a habit of bottling up, running away, and making light of situations. He spent 17 years in a loveless marriage being verbally abused by his wife and not standing up for himself. He made light his relationship with Blitz, calling him a plaything and holding his status over him (unintentionally). When kidnapped by striker, he made light the situation AGAIN and made it seem like the situation wasn’t dire. His Texts made excuses for his behavior and made light the severity of that night. Of course blitz isn’t going to take him seriously since Stolas had never acted seriously with him, apart from when his daughter is involved. And Stolas walked away and pushed him out when Blitz confronted. Blitz aggressively confronts, and Stolas stubbornly hides
@@sedarue123 yeah, that's why i like that both sides have a hand in it, good writing elements
Blitz isn't wrong about Stolas. Throughout season 1 Stolas treated Blitz very poorly if not intentionally. When he rescued them from the agents there was a very demeaning tone then he demanded a reward. At Ozzy's he hid behind a menu when Blitz needed him. Stolas waiting for the full moon to spring this on Blitz wasn't the right time. While Blitz isn't fully right himself in how he originally manipulated Stolas to get the book he did have feelings as he could of just left stolas instead of sleeping with him. Stolas lives to much in a fantasy world where Blitz is the opposite. They will fall in love but it will take time that will take up the rest of season 2.
When has he treated blitz poorly?
*he made a deal so they could use the book, not like he could hand it over for free.
*he did not demand a reward, he was just asking if he'd get one for saving their asses. Also, he had a right to be demeaning because that was a big screw-up on IMP's part.
*the stuff at ozzie's was blitz's fault and stolas tried to cheer him up after
I am so happy that Blitzo and Fizz are best friends again
0:52 I wouldn't say they refused to listen to each other, at least not at first, it's more like they misunderstood what they were saying or meant and it just fell down from there. Of course it turned into an actual refusal to listen, or at the very least an accidental cut off, when Stolas teleported Blitzo outside of his home.
Honestly I think it was something that needed to be done. Regardless of how gut wrenching the ending was, the relationship was never not toxic. It caused a lot of problems with Stolas mental health and family life...well family as in Octavia
The only way Blitzo can heal, is that he confronts the Royal who screwed him over and his father Buckzo who is still alive!
I feel like they’re gonna introduce Vassago as a new love interest for stolas
No way he's another one of Blitz's exes
@@desireeloveros1055 could be both
Who?
@@SuperDragonBlader
The red Bird demon in the trailer
It's been outed he's his bother though
As someone that fucks up all his relationships, he found solace in the threat that - if he fucked up - he could lose the book and thus his company. It gave him a reason not to mess up the relationship and keep trying. In a sense, the threat that Stolas broke off was like saying "now I will allow you to do what you always do to everyone you care about". Blitz didn't wanna lose Stolas, but he knows that without some sort of threat to keep him committed, he will eventually do something to push Stolas away.
“Team Stolas or Team Blitz” I’m on team Media Literacy and complex queer trauma responses that deserve patience and compassion
Agreed. Blitz was not taking that conversation seriously at all. Stolas has true feelings for Blitz, however Blitz only saw it as transactional.
However Blitz could (still) be dealing with his own issues. That could have caused the his reaction to Stolas's confession and subsequent anger towards Stolas at the end.
I half agree. Blitz definitely didnt think it was serious at first but when it was clarified stolas was serious, he tried correcting himself. When he tried seriously engaging in the conversation, Stolas totally shut him down. I'm not saying Blitz handled it well at all, but he definitely did get serious.
I don’t think it’s stolas’s fault, they where never going to work blitzo would never have a personal, emotional, relationship with stolas not cause he doesn’t want too but he knows he’s viewed as inferior. Stolas likely knows that so he offers a way out but hopes he will stay any way.
"I don't want this to be forced, I want to love you unconditionally... You're all I want."
"HOW FKING DARE YOU!"
are you dense
@@nyacchiatosI am
@@nyacchiatos i am
this is not even close to what they said
Poor communication and misinterpretation are their biggest weaknesses and they were on full display here.🥺 Although I know Stolas laid out a lot with his proposal and that Blitz definitely has a right to process everything and be able to speak how he feels, the assumption and subsequent reaction that Stolas had said all those heartfelt things as an act of role playing was heartbreaking.😭 I know Blitz can’t accept that someone could actually love him and that’s why he can be so dismissive, but Stolas had been giving him signs of wanting to talk and trying to be more respectful along with not just wanting Blitz for his body.😭 It was also so sad that Blitz got justifiably scared that he’d lose his business and him begging Stolas was tragic.😭
“Apology Tour” will hopefully have them start to reconcile, likely with all of Blitz’s failed relationships laid out and him start to see he needs to change too because he messed up as well.🥺
I feel like something is being left out of this.
Even the sound design in this scene was used very well. The echo used, not only as words that Stolas will no doubt echo in his mind for years to come, but also because those words Blitz is spitting are a literal echo of his own past. His words may have been at Stolas, but they were meant for the royal who originally abused him.
I'm really sad to see it but blitz had it coming for not opening up to solace about his feelings for him.😢 I really hope he learns to become a better person because of it
I've noticed a consistent thing where men keep reading this as Blitz being totally reasonable but angry, but if you actually watch the scene it's not Stolas leaving to dismiss Blitz, he's leaving because his feelings got hurt and he's trying to keep it in, and be mature to not hurt Blitz. When Blitz begins chasing him he's reminded of Stella, who abused and chased after him. He doesn't get ANGRY in a fight, he shuts down. He doesn't have any recourse when someone is unkind to him. I think it's unreasonable to act like Stolas removing himself from the situation as it began escalating. Stolas was hugging himself, trying to self soothe. It was not in fact him trying to continue the power dynamic by dismissing him. They BOTH can't handle strong emotions, Blitz explodes or avoids. Stolas buries his feelings deep down after he is hurt, but he HAD reached out and told Blitz what he wanted.
Stolas was in the wrong 100%
I am so sickened by the beginning scene of their break up, where Stolas let Blitz believe he was losing the book permanently. Stolas let him beg, grovel and cry because he needed the book, and said he would do absolutely anything, which confirms Stolas knowingly or not used his power to pressure a lower class man into sex. Blitz opted out of sex when Stolas gave him the option to.
Also Blitz ending rant was right about Stolas, Stolas has never treated any imps with respect, not M&M, his butler or even Blitz. We haven't seen him improve.
It was also toxic to teleport Blitz out after making sure he got the last word, proving their toxic power imbalance and Stolas willingness to use it to his advantage.
I am sorry but BOTH Stolas and Blitz messed this up. You can't change my mind that Stolas had the power in this scene and he abused it. He KNOWS that Blitz needs to get into the human world for his job. So WHY did Blitz have to start begging and crying before Stolas showed him the crystal?!
Blitz was freaking out there! And after Blitz messed it up with that fake "i love you" Stolas didn't even listen to him properly anymore. No, yelling at Stolas like this was not cool. But Stolas had the power here and at least for Blitz, this confession came out of nowhere. We all know that he believed that this was just a deal.
I can see how people see Stolas as ..... softer(?) but he messed up here. Blitz did have good points. He didn't have the time to think and react to it. All that was on impuls. And stolas playing with his feelings is also true looking back to Blitz crying and begging.
This whole conversation was doomed from the start for both of them.
That's the big thing that people forget some times, I think - WE see Stolas being sad, anxious, how much he thinks about Blitz, and even the looks he gives him when Blitz isn't looking, but the *characters don't know about stuff that happens when they're offscreen*. From Blitz's perspective, even if Stolas thought he was being super obvious, Blitz hates himself SO much, to the point of scratching his own face out of all the pictures he has hung up at his place, that it'd take a nuclear bomb going off (like the one that Stolas dropped on him in this episode) for him to notice someone having a genuine interest in him. And then add to that the fact that when given the opportunity to display more genuine feeling previously, Stolas has also dropped the ball in MAJOR ways, like being embarrassed to be seen with him at Ozzy's, and of course the mercenary, forced nature of the start of their relationship that, while recontextualized in later episodes, did still happen.
IMO Both, but Mostly Stolas, We need to remember he is a kinda hipocrite because from first episodes he treats blitzo like a typical "imp play thing" and now, he saying blitz think only about sex? for real?
it goes to show that when you have somebody who is constantly looking for love like stolas trying to be with somebody who really doesn't know what love really is like let alone knows how to even remotely express love well like blitzo, the relationship isn't exactly gonna be a healthy 1
Blitzø and Stolas's relationship is a flaming dumpster, and has been from the start, with a wadded up five, and a slim fit condom. Stolas for all his trying, is cognitively unaware of the fact that Blitzø knew from the very start of their relationship that he was a 'bought commodity'. Even though they did have fun in the end, Blitzø always knew his role as a 'bought commodity'. This oft overlooked point keeps Stolas from actually seeing Blitzø's own trauma, naively believing that their friendship was genuine with reciprocal emotions. Blitzø is very much not that, due to his being aware of being a 'bought commodity' at the time. Blitzø is in fact a survivor of a mild form of 'child trafficking' and neglect and devaluation by his money hungry father, Cash Buckzo. Blitz has had the blame for his family's break up, including the death of his mother, and maiming of his best friend (prospective lover) and possibly sister, and consequent failure of the family business loaded onto him. This was seemingly done by his father, who is also responsible for the rift of misunderstanding between Blitzø and Fizz, and the other survivors of the circus fire. Worse, Blitzø seems to have accepted that regardless of what measure of blame may rightly be his.
Stolas, for all his genuine benign intentions towards Blitzø, is utterly unaware of the background trauma that keeps Blitzø from seeing their interactions as anything other than 'transactional' as would be expected from a devalued (possibly disowned), blame ridden, survivor of 'commodification of another being'.
I love it when people are able to explain visually complex perspectives in a scientific tone, this was interesting and fun to read
Stolas wants to end their arrangement and give Blitzo the "choice" but throughout all of their interactions, and this last one, Stolas STILL never listens to Blitzo at all. No wonder why Blitzo said all that, everything he said was right. Stolas has never explained. Oooo I hate the miscommunication trope.
I hope they can somehow fix there relationship
what an interesting episode, i really hope that the show acknowledges they both need to do some work. not just blitz, cause stolas while i sympathise with him he ironically didnt give blitz much of a choice in full moon (for understandable reasons ... but still! XD)
In my opinion, there were multiple chances on both sides to turn the conversation to something more productive, right up until Blitz raised his voice.
As much as I love Blitz, he was completely out of line in lashing out the way he did. I understand why he did it, I know he has deep-rooted trauma, but that doesn't excuse you screaming at someone you care about.
Goodbye Stolitz. You will be missed.
31.05.24 🪦🕊️
(Edit) STOLAS WAS A VILLAIN?!
Lmao 😭😭
Just throwing shots in the dark here but, I believe that Episode one of Helluvaboss is in fact from Blitz's perspe ctive; an interpretation instead of what might have actually occured.
1. As we can see immediately from the episode after, Stolas is shown as much more sympathetic as he subverts the initial impression we had of him from the preceding episode.
2. The villains of that video, so far we get to see every and I mean every villain return in some way with the only exception being Martha and the cannibal family from that episode, and before you think otherwise, it's not specfic to demons as we clearly see the Agents return in the most recent video, this further reinforces the idea that episode 1 was fake.
3. Returning back to the theory, we know that Blitz has a plethora of broken relationships and 'enemies' and this is shown through numerous episodes having one of these past relationships become the titular theme of the respective episode.
I hate how everyone is mostly on stolas side in this one. Blitz was in the right. Their relationship was just sex at first. He has the right to feel the way he feels and stolas didnt listen. He was so caught up in his own head and only listened to the bad parts Blitz said. Not where he was coming from
9:25 I don’t know if somebody noticed but in the background of this scene, covered by a red cloth, it’s that chandelier with glowing gems that appears in the episode Stolas and Blitz are kids and were having so much fun together
Now it’s the background for the massive break up moment of their toxic arrangement
Vivizipop always putting sour details to catch
Both didn’t talk this out properly. Apology Tour might hopefully fix this out for them
Let's hope they get back together by Apology Tour ❤❤
Stolas and Blitz are too cute together
I do hope Blitz apologises to Stolas in Apology Tour. With both boys apologising, reconciling. Start over 🥺🦎🦉
@@samanthahanna7106 ik, Stolitz is a cute ship
@xLord_RadiodustX I look forward for when they officially get together 💜
I mean theyre both toxic as hell lol but blitz is way worse. Blitz is afraid of being used or someone being ashamed him , which stolas proved that at one point he was. Blitz is emotionally distant to the point of self-destruction. TLDR... They need therapy.
Something that someone pointed out to me is that fizz seems to have gained some weight since Mammon is no longer there to bully him into staying thin to keep the fizz bots thin for money reasons.
Their relationship needed this break-up period.
I felt like the Episode was too little too late... Coming out over half a year later after the last Episode in November, then only being 23 minutes long and then spending too much time on the subplot with the cherubs but the most important aspect, being Stolitz feeling rushed and Just crampt into the last 7 minutes of the show... That truly rubbed me the wrong way. I mean the ending even is one of the saddest cliffhanger endings i've seen in a long while... It's mean to end on such a note.
this show can capture a feeling for me that no other can. i love a show that can pull apart my thoughts
I feel like we should keep in mind why there’s a lot of sexual undertones in their relationship is because blitz went to stolas’ house trying to get his grimoire 😭
Blitz ended the yelling with ‘let’s go’ he wanted to talk a convo, but stolas has been yelled by Stella for too long
He yelled that like he was gonna force stolas to have sex or he wanted to pick a fight
Maybe it's for the best Stolitz ended up being broken. Their relationship wasn't healthy at the start especially with their communication problems and with Blitz being really harsh to Stolas. Blitz will end up dying alone now.😞💔
There's still hope in apology tour
@@Lonkshi21I guess so.🥺💕
I feel like even if Blitz was asking for a second chance, even if he was trying to pull him back, it didn't matter. That's not *what* he did. And that's more important. He could be right in how he feels about the situation, and he's right that Stolas set up the toxic relationship to begin with, but "sure it's a little insulting" doesn't equate to what he did. He hurt Stolas and the response was to treat it like a breakup.
One thing I have to say is that their conflict (demon royality and sex contracts put aside) is very realistic! What I mean is their actions during the "fight". Stolas shutting down and not listening to Blitz after he mocked his confession and Blitz yelling and insulting Stolas to get his point across, while it instead made Stolas even more hurt to the point he wanted to end the conversation right there and kicked Blitz out. Like danm!! As someone who has friends in a somewhat toxic relationship(they're trying to figure it out) this was exactly how their arguments usually go! Relationships can be very messy!
I strongly feel that Stolas is dumping Blitz for the right reasons, he wants to start over wants to be in a normal relationshipwith him , but Blitz failed to look at it like that. I believe the two are going to copy Fizz and Ozzie later on.
You know I just thought of something, knowing what we know now, what happened at the circus, what happened to blitz and fizz? Makes me wonder why he didn’t have a different reaction to seeing a burning robo fizz coming out of a burning circus tent..
THIS EPISODE REALLY DID BROKE ME IM GOING TO BE DEPRESSED FOR A LONG TIME
I mean.. blitz’s wasn’t WRONG- Stolas never had mentioned wanting anything more up until this point- and now he is just throwing all this onto blitz. I could see why that would be stressful for him.
Right or wrong it still broke my heart
oH mY GoD hOt TakE, lol that thumbnail has no one fighting against it
Letting you know this was funny but we were changing the thumbnail already for algorithm purposes and don't want people to think you're hating on anything weird.