Very Cool Guys.There was a guy on yesterdays tractors website a few years ago who found an old abandoned IH on an island and he fastened a roto-tiller engine on the pto and drove it accross the ice in the winter
Nice setup. It shows on-the-farm-engineering and ingenuity and ability to use what you have to get a job done. I bet its fun to operate and see what its limitations are.
smcgil05 I say go for it. Massey Harris and Cockshutt I think will be the easiest to put a new small motor on. Tracters like Fords and John Deeres where the engine is the front frame would be more difficult. I think David Browns also have a frame around the engine that a motor could be put on. Check the gear box first though.
Gotta be very impressed with the way you gave the old tractor ( and the implements) a new life and a very useful one at that. In many ways this is so much more impressive than a new super duper tractor that costs tens of thousands of dollars. And...purple? Of course, the color of kings, lol.
Oh come on he adapted a little gas engine to the truck input. Just because he did it at home doesn't make it more impressive then a new Fendt. I'm not knocking him either, what a neat little project, and he has a bunch of old implaments to play with. Apparently he learned to wire from it. But to say it's more impressive then a modern tractor is such a rediclous statement
I found this absolutely fascinating that a 13 hp single cylinder engine could do such a good job of driving that tractor and let alone a centrifugal clutch could handle the load . Top job thanks for posting.
Gotta remember original engine maybe turned 1200 rpm. New one 3600, effectively giving you a 3:1 advantage if you chain drive to the trans, that chain tension will ruin an input if not absorbed into a bearing. The oe engine probably ran daily for 60 years.
i've got a massey 33 wf i use to push snow, and move things around with a boom lift. the fact that all of this can be done with 13 hp is amazing. good job!
Glenn Bowman We were skeptical too about how much it would do and tried to avoid putting too much money in it before we saw what it would do. It turned out that it works much more than I expected.
I've repowered 2 machines, a lap saw and a Troybuilt tiller with the Preditor 212cc. They both start on the first pull and run great. I could buy 4 of these engines for the equilivant Honda.
The original tractor clutch has been gone for 30 years. It is now just the centrifugal clutch on the engine. It works very well though and is simple and was cheap. As far as how long it will last I have no idea. We have almost two years on it now and so far there is no noticeable wear to the clutch shoes or drum. My understanding is that centrifugal clutches sort of last forever and I guess if it does wear out we replace it. I am much more concerned about the motor wearing out first though.
RattieRanch generally in my experience, the bronze bushing in the clutch bell that it rides on wears out first on those clutches. And, the spring can get weak and make them drag too.
Unusual color for a farm tractor. Good job of putting the old gal back to work. Seems to have plenty of pto speed. Maybe you should cover the back of your control panel to keep things dry.
Holy shit...2020 and fingers crossed this beast is still working. I suppose you have worked it out and realised the power you need by the chain reduction from engine to transmission. Very good job
I just finished repowering an electric golf cart with a 6.5 gas engine. I have a Farmall H with no engine and I'm doing research on possibly powering it with a 22 go harbor freight 670.
i too have a massey harris 33. my engine is out pending a rebuild. ive gone through the top end, but need to save up some cash for yhe bottom end. i may "copy" what you did to keep the tractor useful until the engine gets finished....great job!
If the engine is fixable, that would be the better way to go. This works well for yard tug work and can rake a few acres of hay but for field work it is less than desirable.
The grass attachment is a old Lely tedder. It is for stirring hay so it dries faster. We tried the baler just to see if it would work, it would probably wreck the engine or clutch if you did a whole field.
Love that you tried it , looks like it works well. An anti friction product called motorkote seems to soak into Metal like the mfg. Claims. I run it in lg. Diesels , cars, sm. Engines , l think the smaller the engine the more they need help to fight friction. Bless you.
@@RattieRanch This is what repurposing is all about. Bet you could not buy one old tractor today made to really great tolerances and materials from back in the day. CHINA could not make anything that good for sure. VF
Curious as to how many centrifugal clutches you've gone through, and how the Chinese engine is holding up? Definitely a good project. Just would have to question the reliability of some of the hard parts. Well done. I hope you used this on your application paperwork for Engineering School.
That is so Kool. I've thought about using a 13 hp in a super A Farmall and now I know it will have enough power. I seen the video of it pulling the hay redder but how does it do pulling a brush hog in tall grass? A couple of years ago I ran across 2 Honda 13 hp engines that are still new and in the box. We repowerd an old Sears Sububan and love it over the old cast Briggs. They run a long time on a tank of gas.
I have never put a bush hog on this as it does not have a 3 point hitch and we do not have a pull type bush hog. Based on bush hogging with other tractors though, I think this would have a bad time in anything other than light grass. Also a lot of these older tractors have transmission PTO and that would make it hard on the centrifugal clutch to spin up the bush hog and start the tractor at the same time.
We actually had one of those old tractors down the road the motor had blown and they wanted too much for a new one as the entire motor was wasted so our neighbor had a chevy v8 283 and rigged it to run and run it did pulled house trailers like a scalded dog and it was an awesome puller due to the addition of an extra transmission
Best way to do it. I know a guy that had an old tractor he throw in a 454 big block from a wrecked truck. That thing was a hog on fuel, but would pull a barn. Motor already a torrque monster with gearing to rip up trees by the root. If only it had the weight
Cool video(s) and I like this ingenious solution to the issue of repowering this great old tractor, but I'd prefer a little more engine. Possibly a B&S Vanguard V-twin, or a small diesel in the 15-20 HP range.
I would have never thought of that, either. 13 horsepower is a long way down from the 39 horsepower of the original 33 tractor but, when you consider the weight reduction of the 33's heavy, long stroke engine, the cooling system, the heavy starter and generator, the clutch and bell housing the full size battery, the air cleaner, all the sheet metal and the 25 gallon fuel tank, for lighter jobs, and keeping the ground speed down 13 horsepower can manage.
Thank you. The sheet metal was long gone when we got this tractor. Used hoods are around but I like the better visibility of not have a hood and I am worried about restricting the cooling air to the engine.
Similar project here. 49 Massey Harris Pony getting a Briggs and Stratton 600cc 14 hp petrol. Original engine was 12 hp, but 1200cc. Those are not MH colours guys.
They are very scarce around here but it sure would be fun to do. I have also thought a 3-53 Detroit or more practically a reefer engine when this one blows up.
Son: hey dad I blew up the motor. Has 5 more in the barn. Dad: it’s ok, just throw it in the pile of trash motors, I’ve got another in the barn all ready to go.
Baling was just a "can it do it" sort of trial, and it did in a very light windrow on level ground. I think it would be very difficult to bale a field with and hard on the engine and clutch.
Yes. The original 5 speed transmission is still in it. In first gear it has enough power to pull a 2-12 plow in hard sod. As to snow blades there is no 3 point hitch on it but we may one day put a snow pusher blade on the front. Based on how it plows and tows heavy loads I am sure it should have no trouble with a snow blade unless the snow is very deep.
Six years on the first engine and then it needed a new carburetor and was moved to a lower importance machine. We put a near new engine on it in 2018 for better reliability.
Heh heh, I wasn't too impressed until I saw you hooked to the hay baler.😮 It takes some horsepower to run those, especially if the hay is the least bit damp. Nice rig, and those engines are pretty cheap compared to rebuilding the original Massey-Harris engine ( *IF* you can find the parts). I think it may have been better, and a bit quieter, to go with an 18hp. V-twin, but unless you can find a good used one, it may not be cost effective.😉👍
One you get the flywheel spinning its just a matter of maintaining the velocity ive seen smaller tractors run larger balers due to this. Even a guy use an old 9n on a 4x5 round baler with eletric ties. Loader was destroyed so the hydraulic did the lift gate
The hay baling was just a will it pull it kinda thing on some small windrows at the end of the field. I think it would be very hard on the engine, clutch and chain to do any amount of baling with it and it would be very slow.
Hello! I'm very impressed with your work. I'm in the process of doing the same thing to a farmall cub. I've already made the frame to connect the front axle and the main chassis of the tractor. The motor is a predator 420cc / 13hp. I was wondering what your gear ratio is for your clutch and main sprocket. How many teeth on the sprocket and how many on the clutch? Thanks, Jeff.
Jeffrey C The transmission input shaft sprocket has 54 teeth. The clutch now has 15. In the beginning the clutch hat a 13 tooth sprocket but that one wore out and we could not get a 13 or 14 tooth sprocket on so we had to have a 15 tooth welded on over the old sprocket. There is more to the ratios than that though. The original engine in the tractor was 1500 rpm wide open. The new engine is 3600 rpm wide open and 1800 at idle. The centrifugal clutch engages at about 2200 rpm. With 15 teeth on the clutch and 54 on the transmission input, that works out to about 1100 or so at the input shaft, or about 2/3 of the original motor speed. I think the 2/3 original speed is about right for a centrifugal clutch repower since the lower end of the speed in a gear that you would have with the original clutch and engine by lowering the throttle but with the centrifugal clutch you only have the higher end of speed in a gear. I think the original engine speed in the Farmall cub was about 1600-1800 so a bit faster than the Massey Harris engines were. The only time that having the whole gear range set to 2/3 speed has caused me a problem was on a local tractor show road run where everybody else had original engines. If you have any other questions please ask.
Jeffrey C I used #40 roller chain. The clutch was also available with a #35 chain sprocket on it but I figured the bigger size is better. The clutch sprocket says it is also is compatible with #41 chain but I think the #41 is more a motorcycle and go kart chain and is lighter weight and has thinner side plates and the #40 is the ag and industrial version. I should say though do not expect a long chain life. Exposed roller chains were never made to spin 3600 rpm and it does work well enough but we have to change the chain on it every year using a cheap chain. We tried a better grade of #40 roller chain and found it lasted about the same. One more tip is try to avoid using the half links or offset links when connecting the chain. I find they always break long before a standard connecting link does.
RattieRanch Sounds good! I really appreciate the heads up. You've been very helpful and most definitely saved me a lot of headache and frustration by telling me the ups and downs that you encountered during your project. Not to mention the money and time you've undoubtedly saved me! Thanks again! I'll do my best to send you some pics when I've completed my little Cub project.
I am not familiar with Allis Chalmers tractors. The photos I could find of a WD-45 show it having a frame around the engine so it should be possible to remove the engine and still have frame to put a new engine on and the front axle still attached.
@@jacksongreiner2919 It would probably work, but seeing as the WD-45's had 45 hp. stock and a boatload of torque, you'd probably want to look into a larger V-twin with at least 22-28hp. and set it up with a fixture/adapter plate to support the stock clutch, pressure plate, and flywheel. This way you can use the A-C starter motor to crank it, and you'd have sufficient horsepower to run the hydraulics, PTO, and whatnot. A toothed belt and pulleys (like a primary belt drive on a Harley), could supply the reduction necessary for the engine to stay in the recommended rpm range and not overdrive the PTO. Biggest trick of course would be fabricating the adapter plate and a shaft and bearings to support the flywheel/clutch asy., but in the end, it will greatly improve torque and usability. A-C parts are getting harder and harder to come by, and there's still a lot of good frames and transaxles out there that need a good engine.😉👍
The sprocket on the centrifugal clutch is 14 tooth. The transmission shaft sprocket is 54 tooth. The engine is 3600 RPM, the original engine direct to the transmission was 1500 RPM. I think my setup works out to about 900 RPM at the transmission, about 2/3 of original speed.
We thought about a car engine, but that would require more machining to get lined up with the transmission and then there are all the car engine problems to deal with like no RPM governor, electrical system, cooling and such. This is very simple.
I think it would be very difficult because on the 9n the engine is the front frame. These Masseys had a cast frame for the tractor and then a engine was bolted in to the frame.
@@RattieRanch Yes, that's how they are set up. The idea I have is to remove and replace the engine with strong C-channel supports. Hope to run a bushog. Cool project you made!! Thanks for putting it on here
Yes. With the engine at idle the bushing in the clutch only turns the transmission slowly and with out any power so it is as simple as put it in gear and push on the throttle. The throttle is connected to the clutch peddle so it in many was drives like and automatic transmission except with the peddles reversed. It took me about a month to learn to drive it that when backing up to an implement or some thing that instead of push both peddles to stop it is let go of the left and push on the right ones where the brakes are.
Ian Winfield Yes, for sure. A ground drive hay rake or spreader is fine, it won't go as fast with it as a more powerful tractor but it will do it. Wagons and trailers are no problem except for more limited engine braking. Baling is possible with a very old low speed baler and a small windrow on flat ground but I got the feeling it was pretty hard on it. It pulled a two 12" furrow plow fairly well up and down hills but I never got any video of it. Haybine, discs, snow blowers, other power intensive things there is no way( and no hydraulics yet). For generally tug type work and such it is very good. As far as putting it on an 8N I would think it would be a little harder to mount the new engine as I think from the 8Ns I have looked at the engine is more part of the frame than on this model. I really only took this approach to making the tractor useful because there was now engine with it and finding and making a car motor or other tractor engine fit would have required money and machining not available at the time. If this tractor had had the motor with it I would have tried hard to make it run as a iron block and designed for the use engine is much more suitable than a Honda GX390 clone. Saying that though, this is really the only way it was going to do anything again and has been very use full to us. Any more questions please ask, I may be slow on reply's but will try to. I have a walk around and what I would do differently next time video in the works of this tractor.
Very Cool Guys.There was a guy on yesterdays tractors website a few years ago who found an old abandoned IH on an island and he fastened a roto-tiller engine on the pto and drove it accross the ice in the winter
I have all ways wondered if this would work, so happy to see someone did it. This could save a lot of old tractors from the scrap pile.
Nice setup. It shows on-the-farm-engineering and ingenuity and ability to use what you have to get a job done. I bet its fun to operate and see what its limitations are.
Makes me want to find an old tractor and do something like that. Such a great idea. Nice work guys.
smcgil05 I say go for it. Massey Harris and Cockshutt I think will be the easiest to put a new small motor on. Tracters like Fords and John Deeres where the engine is the front frame would be more difficult. I think David Browns also have a frame around the engine that a motor could be put on. Check the gear box first though.
smcgil05 Same here!!!
if you do it please don’t tear apart a good tractor that’s complete
@@spencersand2754 Bro 2020😆
I picked up so many square bales as a kid on my grandfathers farm. Nice work on the tractor!
Gotta be very impressed with the way you gave the old tractor ( and the implements) a new life and a very useful one at that. In many ways this is so much more impressive than a new super duper tractor that costs tens of thousands of dollars. And...purple? Of course, the color of kings, lol.
Oh come on he adapted a little gas engine to the truck input. Just because he did it at home doesn't make it more impressive then a new Fendt.
I'm not knocking him either, what a neat little project, and he has a bunch of old implaments to play with. Apparently he learned to wire from it. But to say it's more impressive then a modern tractor is such a rediclous statement
I found this absolutely fascinating that a 13 hp single cylinder engine could do such a good job of driving that tractor and let alone a centrifugal clutch could handle the load . Top job thanks for posting.
They'll do but not for long.
Gotta remember original engine maybe turned 1200 rpm. New one 3600, effectively giving you a 3:1 advantage if you chain drive to the trans, that chain tension will ruin an input if not absorbed into a bearing. The oe engine probably ran daily for 60 years.
i've got a massey 33 wf i use to push snow, and move things around with a boom lift. the fact that all of this can be done with 13 hp is amazing. good job!
Well done!! I bet it is still running now in 2018.
Yes it is.
Wow I never thought the tractor would do all those jobs very cool build thanks for posting
Awesome to see a great working machine fixed by some extremely simple ingenuity and some work.
We agree!
That tractor is AWESOME! Great job guys love it! Thanks for sharing!♡
Amazing what you can do with 13hp , I thought my tractor was small at 68 hp, don't think 13 up would be able to mow
Great job! I'm impressed with your engineering skills. I would have been skeptical that it could do all that with a 13 hp engine. My hat's off!
Glenn Bowman We were skeptical too about how much it would do and tried to avoid putting too much money in it before we saw what it would do. It turned out that it works much more than I expected.
I've repowered 2 machines, a lap saw and a Troybuilt tiller with the Preditor 212cc. They both start on the first pull and run great. I could buy 4 of these engines for the equilivant Honda.
The Honda engines are expensive.
Good on you for bringing this old tractor back to life and use! The purple color is perfect.
Thank you.
That tractor is awesome love the paint job. Surprised that little clutch works so well. Keep the videos coming enjoyed it.
The first clutch lasted seven years. I was impressed with how tough it was.
Looks like it gets the job done. You did a good job making it look so well finished & professionally done.
The original tractor clutch has been gone for 30 years. It is now just the centrifugal clutch on the engine. It works very well though and is simple and was cheap. As far as how long it will last I have no idea. We have almost two years on it now and so far there is no noticeable wear to the clutch shoes or drum. My understanding is that centrifugal clutches sort of last forever and I guess if it does wear out we replace it. I am much more concerned about the motor wearing out first though.
RattieRanch generally in my experience, the bronze bushing in the clutch bell that it rides on wears out first on those clutches. And, the spring can get weak and make them drag too.
Very cool set up.I wonder how a V Twin 22hp Harbor F. motor would work?You can get them for about $1200.00 i think?
If it quits you can replace it with one of the Predator 22 hp twins.
Unusual color for a farm tractor. Good job of putting the old gal back to work. Seems to have plenty of pto speed. Maybe you should cover the back of your control panel to keep things dry.
Hi there this is the coolest thing i have seen in a long time.
Awesome build. We converted a old New Holland Round Baler into a Rebaler to unroll round bales and feed them into our square Baler. Have a good one
Thank you. The Rebaler would be neat to see.
RattieRanch I have a playlist on it. From start to finish. Check it out. Have a good one
nice unit. suprised it baled .musta drew down when it tyed. super nice job there.
That’s fantastic man. Love your tractor!
Thank you.
Holy shit...2020 and fingers crossed this beast is still working. I suppose you have worked it out and realised the power you need by the chain reduction from engine to transmission. Very good job
Yes it is still running just fine. The drive ratio is 14 tooth sprocket on the engine clutch and 54 on the transmission input shaft.
I just finished repowering an electric golf cart with a 6.5 gas engine. I have a Farmall H with no engine and I'm doing research on possibly powering it with a 22 go harbor freight 670.
Rockwell jet engine they used on haybalers would be cool hand start with weel
Likely easier on fuel than the original engine lol , well done
i too have a massey harris 33. my engine is out pending a rebuild. ive gone through the top end, but need to save up some cash for yhe bottom end. i may "copy" what you did to keep the tractor useful until the engine gets finished....great job!
If the engine is fixable, that would be the better way to go. This works well for yard tug work and can rake a few acres of hay but for field work it is less than desirable.
I love the the old grass grabbing attachment and bailer!! I have never seen any of this age. Would go perfect behind my 1952 8N 😁
The grass attachment is a old Lely tedder. It is for stirring hay so it dries faster. We tried the baler just to see if it would work, it would probably wreck the engine or clutch if you did a whole field.
@@RattieRanch good content either way, gonna keep a watch out for something similar that'll be affordable.
There'll be no mistaking the paint scheme for anything else. Cool!
It is time for a repaint. I think I would use a different color the way things are now.
wow, i didnt expect that to work so well. awesome
That's what I like to see a couple country boys making things work. Well done frend
I like the fire extinguisher compartment.
Very fine workmanship! Enjoy it and keep up the good work!
Thank you.
Cool idea! I’m just curious what kind of load it could pull compared to the stock engine.
Gosh dang I’ve never seen a predator engine 13hp run a power take off that fast and work that hard wow
Love that you tried it , looks like it works well. An anti friction product called motorkote seems to soak into Metal like the mfg. Claims. I run it in lg. Diesels , cars, sm. Engines , l think the smaller the engine the more they need help to fight friction. Bless you.
I have never heard of that but it sounds like I should look into it.
I'm old. But new to me. Very well done! For peanuts !
Very well done !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well done!!! The horn is over the top.
It is useful now and then.
Awesome. Great job on saving that old tractor. Well done 👍
Would love to see a video on how you built it! THANKS!♡
Hard to believe that just this small engine can make it happen. Keep on keepen on.
We were impressed what it can do. That said, it does have limits but is very useful within them.
@@RattieRanch This is what repurposing is all about. Bet you could not buy one old tractor today made to really great tolerances and materials from back in the day. CHINA could not make anything that good for sure. VF
Curious as to how many centrifugal clutches you've gone through, and how the Chinese engine is holding up? Definitely a good project. Just would have to question the reliability of some of the hard parts.
Well done. I hope you used this on your application paperwork for Engineering School.
You beat me to the clutch thing. I just don't see those lasting long working like that
@@gilwilliams9036 meh. Only $50 to replace. Cheaper then the oil changes and fuel the orginal motor would have burned.
The first clutch lasted seven years. I had to replace the sprocket on it after about four years.
@@RattieRanch I would have never bet on that. That's amazing.
I never thought i would see this in this life, thank you and thank you youtube
Thank you and I never thought I would see this either.
Do you mean the color or the engine?
I mean the small engine powering the tractor so well. I don't mind the color either. thank you
That is so Kool. I've thought about using a 13 hp in a super A Farmall and now I know it will have enough power. I seen the video of it pulling the hay redder but how does it do pulling a brush hog in tall grass? A couple of years ago I ran across 2 Honda 13 hp engines that are still new and in the box. We repowerd an old Sears Sububan and love it over the old cast Briggs. They run a long time on a tank of gas.
I have never put a bush hog on this as it does not have a 3 point hitch and we do not have a pull type bush hog. Based on bush hogging with other tractors though, I think this would have a bad time in anything other than light grass. Also a lot of these older tractors have transmission PTO and that would make it hard on the centrifugal clutch to spin up the bush hog and start the tractor at the same time.
Looking good looking good looking good in lavender but that's okay which is another kind of purple looking good
I really like this. I have a 16hp vanguard that needs a job 😂
Way cool! Great job. Your a smart fabrication man
Thanks!
How is the tractor holding up over the years?
We actually had one of those old tractors down the road the motor had blown and they wanted too much for a new one as the entire motor was wasted so our neighbor had a chevy v8 283 and rigged it to run and run it did pulled house trailers like a scalded dog and it was an awesome puller due to the addition of an extra transmission
Best way to do it. I know a guy that had an old tractor he throw in a 454 big block from a wrecked truck. That thing was a hog on fuel, but would pull a barn. Motor already a torrque monster with gearing to rip up trees by the root. If only it had the weight
Blah, why did you paint it purple. Cool project!
Cool stuff thanks for posting!
Its so cool this 13 hp engine is better then his original engine😂its a great idea i cant belive that this is the first time i see something like this.
Better, maybe not. But is does start at 0 degrees a lot better. I admit, I am surprised how rare doing this is.
Cool video(s) and I like this ingenious solution to the issue of repowering this great old tractor, but I'd prefer a little more engine. Possibly a B&S Vanguard V-twin, or a small diesel in the 15-20 HP range.
I would like that too, but clutching on a larger engine gets much harder and expensive.
@@RattieRanch Aha! I didn't think about that. Thank you for the insight. -b
That’s really cool glad you saved it you need to build a stack for it
It is too loud as is.
I would have never thought of that, either. 13 horsepower is a long way down from the 39 horsepower of the original 33 tractor but, when you consider the weight reduction of the 33's heavy, long stroke engine, the cooling system, the heavy starter and generator, the clutch and bell housing the full size battery, the air cleaner, all the sheet metal and the 25 gallon fuel tank, for lighter jobs, and keeping the ground speed down 13 horsepower can manage.
Cool! Built to last huh?
Wow that's just Cazy that little engine could do all that!😱
Very Awesome tractor..did You ever think about putting the sheet metal on the front...i think it would dress it up abit
Thank you.
The sheet metal was long gone when we got this tractor. Used hoods are around but I like the better visibility of not have a hood and I am worried about restricting the cooling air to the engine.
Add a big muffler next so you dont need hearing protection. Love it so far
I mean it is a tractor kind of, but it sure doesn't look or feel like one. I'm kind of impressed
I really like the purple though.
Similar project here. 49 Massey Harris Pony getting a Briggs and Stratton 600cc 14 hp petrol. Original engine was 12 hp, but 1200cc.
Those are not MH colours guys.
Good luck with your project and hopefully it works well.
Proper gear ratios make all the difference.
find a deutz aircooled diesel. they make em in single to 6 bangers
still really cool BTW good job
They are very scarce around here but it sure would be fun to do. I have also thought a 3-53 Detroit or more practically a reefer engine when this one blows up.
Son: hey dad I blew up the motor.
Has 5 more in the barn.
Dad: it’s ok, just throw it in the pile of trash motors, I’ve got another in the barn all ready to go.
Well done!
Thank you.
This is really impressive. There must be plenty of old iron out on farms with dead donks ready for rebirthing.
Allies Chalmers WC was the same. 28 hp engine from the factory. Would be light where you need for towing.
There are not many Allis Chalmers around here for some reason but I understand they are good tractors.
I feel like crying in happiness :'}
Factory purple is a nice touch
Thank you.
But it is not quite factory paint.
Very impressive!
Man that thing moves right along
5th gear is for level and slight downhills only.
Can’t believe a 13hp petrol like that will pull a tractor and Baler, and bale at the same time! Whereas a little grey Fergie will struggle to do that!
Baling was just a "can it do it" sort of trial, and it did in a very light windrow on level ground. I think it would be very difficult to bale a field with and hard on the engine and clutch.
Very cool. Does it have enough gear ratio to pull a plow or a snow blade?
Yes. The original 5 speed transmission is still in it. In first gear it has enough power to pull a 2-12 plow in hard sod. As to snow blades there is no 3 point hitch on it but we may one day put a snow pusher blade on the front. Based on how it plows and tows heavy loads I am sure it should have no trouble with a snow blade unless the snow is very deep.
How long before the engine wore out..and how was it on fuel
Six years on the first engine and then it needed a new carburetor and was moved to a lower importance machine. We put a near new engine on it in 2018 for better reliability.
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Heh heh, I wasn't too impressed until I saw you hooked to the hay baler.😮 It takes some horsepower to run those, especially if the hay is the least bit damp. Nice rig, and those engines are pretty cheap compared to rebuilding the original Massey-Harris engine ( *IF* you can find the parts). I think it may have been better, and a bit quieter, to go with an 18hp. V-twin, but unless you can find a good used one, it may not be cost effective.😉👍
One you get the flywheel spinning its just a matter of maintaining the velocity ive seen smaller tractors run larger balers due to this. Even a guy use an old 9n on a 4x5 round baler with eletric ties. Loader was destroyed so the hydraulic did the lift gate
The hay baling was just a will it pull it kinda thing on some small windrows at the end of the field. I think it would be very hard on the engine, clutch and chain to do any amount of baling with it and it would be very slow.
@@RattieRanch That was the most impressive part- - - I never would have thought that would run a baler, or pull a plow. Very nice build!
I would have had to use a 20 hp V-Twin on it but hell its all about gears and torque
The 20 hp V twins need a much more expensive clutch and here in Canada they cost a lot more.
right on!! do another one with a Yanmar diesel and put a fuel tank off a Gleaner L2 combine for reserve!
Quite a stroke on that man lower cylinder, lol
Thanks for the video
Hello! I'm very impressed with your work. I'm in the process of doing the same thing to a farmall cub. I've already made the frame to connect the front axle and the main chassis of the tractor. The motor is a predator 420cc / 13hp. I was wondering what your gear ratio is for your clutch and main sprocket. How many teeth on the sprocket and how many on the clutch? Thanks, Jeff.
Jeffrey C The transmission input shaft sprocket has 54 teeth. The clutch now has 15. In the beginning the clutch hat a 13 tooth sprocket but that one wore out and we could not get a 13 or 14 tooth sprocket on so we had to have a 15 tooth welded on over the old sprocket. There is more to the ratios than that though. The original engine in the tractor was 1500 rpm wide open. The new engine is 3600 rpm wide open and 1800 at idle. The centrifugal clutch engages at about 2200 rpm. With 15 teeth on the clutch and 54 on the transmission input, that works out to about 1100 or so at the input shaft, or about 2/3 of the original motor speed. I think the 2/3 original speed is about right for a centrifugal clutch repower since the lower end of the speed in a gear that you would have with the original clutch and engine by lowering the throttle but with the centrifugal clutch you only have the higher end of speed in a gear. I think the original engine speed in the Farmall cub was about 1600-1800 so a bit faster than the Massey Harris engines were. The only time that having the whole gear range set to 2/3 speed has caused me a problem was on a local tractor show road run where everybody else had original engines. If you have any other questions please ask.
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Thank you! Your response was perfect! One other question... What size chain did you use, and why? #35, #40, #41.
Jeffrey C I used #40 roller chain. The clutch was also available with a #35 chain sprocket on it but I figured the bigger size is better. The clutch sprocket says it is also is compatible with #41 chain but I think the #41 is more a motorcycle and go kart chain and is lighter weight and has thinner side plates and the #40 is the ag and industrial version. I should say though do not expect a long chain life. Exposed roller chains were never made to spin 3600 rpm and it does work well enough but we have to change the chain on it every year using a cheap chain. We tried a better grade of #40 roller chain and found it lasted about the same. One more tip is try to avoid using the half links or offset links when connecting the chain. I find they always break long before a standard connecting link does.
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Sounds good! I really appreciate the heads up. You've been very helpful and most definitely saved me a lot of headache and frustration by telling me the ups and downs that you encountered during your project. Not to mention the money and time you've undoubtedly saved me! Thanks again! I'll do my best to send you some pics when I've completed my little Cub project.
RattieRanch can you use a timing chain from a car? they are even made as douplex twin chains, maybe tension them an forget them
I have been considering doing this to a allis chalmers wd45. Does anyone know if this would work
I am not familiar with Allis Chalmers tractors. The photos I could find of a WD-45 show it having a frame around the engine so it should be possible to remove the engine and still have frame to put a new engine on and the front axle still attached.
Thanks I will look into this more. We have an old wd45 and the engine is blown up so I wanted to do this to it
@@jacksongreiner2919 It would probably work, but seeing as the WD-45's had 45 hp. stock and a boatload of torque, you'd probably want to look into a larger V-twin with at least 22-28hp. and set it up with a fixture/adapter plate to support the stock clutch, pressure plate, and flywheel. This way you can use the A-C starter motor to crank it, and you'd have sufficient horsepower to run the hydraulics, PTO, and whatnot. A toothed belt and pulleys (like a primary belt drive on a Harley), could supply the reduction necessary for the engine to stay in the recommended rpm range and not overdrive the PTO. Biggest trick of course would be fabricating the adapter plate and a shaft and bearings to support the flywheel/clutch asy., but in the end, it will greatly improve torque and usability. A-C parts are getting harder and harder to come by, and there's still a lot of good frames and transaxles out there that need a good engine.😉👍
What was the sprocket size on the drive side 🙏
The sprocket on the centrifugal clutch is 14 tooth. The transmission shaft sprocket is 54 tooth. The engine is 3600 RPM, the original engine direct to the transmission was 1500 RPM. I think my setup works out to about 900 RPM at the transmission, about 2/3 of original speed.
That works very well. Now put a car engine in it.
We thought about a car engine, but that would require more machining to get lined up with the transmission and then there are all the car engine problems to deal with like no RPM governor, electrical system, cooling and such. This is very simple.
I was amazed that 13 hp was running that baler.
I was a but surprised it did, but is was setup for the easiest baling with thin windrows. I have not done that again, but it was interesting to see.
Amazing!!
Love the purple
Thank you.
But how much torque is there?
I think the engine is rated for around 20 foot pounds.
Genuinely surprised it can run the baler
Need to add the weight of the original engine to the front-end before it flips over.
It doesn't matter as long as the hitch is lower than the drive axle, which it is.
The is a lot of weight on the front from the cast frame. I might fill the tires with molasses someday though.
You know? You can pipe a exhaust system that would make it extremely quiet..
I was wanting to see that thing pull a plow, 😂
I have a video of pulling a 2-12 plow with it.
great job!
Thank you!
wow!now i have seen it all
It dont have the same torque as the original engine but it is interesting still
Great idea!
Any idea how this would work on an old 9N?
I think it would be very difficult because on the 9n the engine is the front frame. These Masseys had a cast frame for the tractor and then a engine was bolted in to the frame.
@@RattieRanch Yes, that's how they are set up. The idea I have is to remove and replace the engine with strong C-channel supports. Hope to run a bushog.
Cool project you made!! Thanks for putting it on here
Channel as the front frame should work fine. It will be a bigger project than this was but should be better matched in the end.
So how do you put it in gear? do you just shift and give the engine some throttle? Great setup, by the way.
Yes. With the engine at idle the bushing in the clutch only turns the transmission slowly and with out any power so it is as simple as put it in gear and push on the throttle. The throttle is connected to the clutch peddle so it in many was drives like and automatic transmission except with the peddles reversed. It took me about a month to learn to drive it that when backing up to an implement or some thing that instead of push both peddles to stop it is let go of the left and push on the right ones where the brakes are.
That's very innovative! I'm thinking of the same kind of setup with a Ford 8N setup. Does it lack any power with some implements?
Ian Winfield Yes, for sure. A ground drive hay rake or spreader is fine, it won't go as fast with it as a more powerful tractor but it will do it. Wagons and trailers are no problem except for more limited engine braking. Baling is possible with a very old low speed baler and a small windrow on flat ground but I got the feeling it was pretty hard on it. It pulled a two 12" furrow plow fairly well up and down hills but I never got any video of it. Haybine, discs, snow blowers, other power intensive things there is no way( and no hydraulics yet). For generally tug type work and such it is very good. As far as putting it on an 8N I would think it would be a little harder to mount the new engine as I think from the 8Ns I have looked at the engine is more part of the frame than on this model. I really only took this approach to making the tractor useful because there was now engine with it and finding and making a car motor or other tractor engine fit would have required money and machining not available at the time. If this tractor had had the motor with it I would have tried hard to make it run as a iron block and designed for the use engine is much more suitable than a Honda GX390 clone. Saying that though, this is really the only way it was going to do anything again and has been very use full to us. Any more questions please ask, I may be slow on reply's but will try to. I have a walk around and what I would do differently next time video in the works of this tractor.