People are going to have to start finding ways to minimize or outright ban butt-scooting in competition in order to change jiu jitsu's emphasis on takedowns.
Then your talking about complete Judo. Bjj is literally just a more developed version of the groundwork aspect of Judo which is called ne waza. All the takedowns, clinches, and basic submissions like chokeholds and arm bars are are literally Judo.
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There's this sculpture or drawing, I think it's Greek or something, of a centaur heel-hooking a man, it's truly amazing. I don't really know if it's legit but it looks like it is
I've been grappling since I was 5. First trained in BJJ, then switched to Wrestling & Boxing. Never looked back. The problem is in a fight when you get top position & are able to just strike, BJJ crumbles. I'm not saying you can't get caught in a sub while ground and pounding, but the chances are much lower when you start smashing a guys face who doesn't train to take blows. Ultimately, BJJ's biggest weakness, in my opinion, is a complete lack of striking & focusing too much on technique over training for strength & explosiveness.
Oswaldo Fadda revolutionized foot locks when his students defeated the Gracie family’s students. He likely learned it from the Luis Franca who pick it up from his Japanese teachers Satake, Omori, and Maeda.
The heel-hook basically traces back to Ivan Gomes, who was trained by Takeo Yano but who also trained in Brazilian catch-wrestling, aka, luta livre, just as Yano also trained in Brazilian catch-wrestling as well as jiu jitsu.
This guy is all wrong on the history of jujitsu. Jujitsu was how the samurai would kill his opponent on the battlefield if he lost his sword. The founder of Judo, Jigaro Kano was a jujitsu man and just like the famous modern day jujitsu family the Gracie's, Kano would also challenge many bigger people to a street fight to prove the potency of jujitsu. Professor Kano wanted to make jujitsu into a sport and he emphasized the throwing aspect of jujitsu and hence judo is focused on the throws. Jitsu means combat, do means sport, so yes ancient jujitsu already had very developed takedowns as well as joint manipulation of the legs not just the upper body as he's claiming. The real jujitsu the samurai used was complete combat system that took into account every possible scenario and wasn't lacking as her claims. Again grappling is a lost art that modern man has rediscovered through its exposure through television. The Roman knights and gladiators probably used a complete combat form of greco Roman wrestling and the Persians also had their Sambo etc. Not only was president Lincoln a formidable wrestler but it goes all the way back to the bible where Jacob wrestled an angel. Knowing this it doesn't seem far fetched when you hear stories of the gods fighting for days on end because in grappling you can stall and have a stalemate also the myth of Kung Fu and animal fighting styles probably came from jujitsu since it mimics how a boa constrictor kills
Actually, judo has all three things he said that are missing from bjj. Bjj was born out of judo, and judo was born out of Japanese ju jitsu. The early Gracies basically practiced judo, but had more emphasis on the ground aspect (newaza). The problem is that when the Gracies started losing or "appearing" to lose to traditional judokas who had more experience (Kimura, Ono Brothers, etc.), they basically modified the rules to remove standing takedowns. When Oswaldo Fadda's gym beat the Gracies' gym in a challenge by using leglocks, they also tried to get rid of leglocks. So the Gracies are a huge reason to blame why takedowns and leglocks were passed down from Judo to BJJ. Then in the mid 1900s, Judo modified its ruleset to emphasize throws more for the sporting aspect (and Olympics), so Judo is partially to blame too.
@@JJDon5150 not to mention getting rid of any and all leg attacks in Judo, they basically neutered the art of real Judo and turned it into "this guy throws you and you throw that guy" and whoever gets thrown mostly on their back with considerable force and speed, they win the match. And also the only joint locks that are permitted are of the arm/elbow. Literally everything else is banned. They've managed to start the process of turning Judo, a well-rounded and mostly complete and effective martial art, into what is essentially point-fighting style matches like Taekwondo and Karate. Soon it'll be "tech line" style Judo where the "Mcdojo" guys come into the picture; striking at the air, no real physical or actual training/sparring so no real benefits for real world scenarios. Just all for show. And there are more Judo gyms teaching this bullshit Competition/Olympic style Judo than there are ones that teach the full, complete version of Judo which basically has everything, striking on the feet, joint locks/holds, awesome shopping list of trips and throws, ground fighting and submissions. The newaza of Judo might not be as specifically trained or designed exclusively for ground fighting/submission grappling as it's descendant BJJ but when you add in all of the other skills that Judo brings to the table, you could easily find victory in a street fight against someone who only trains BJJ. They won't have to worry about pulling guard or even seated guard as you will get them to the ground swiftly and effectively. Once they meet the unforgiving embrace of the hard concrete, they will throw in the towel. In any and all situations, if someone hits their fucking head on the concrete, especially after getting tossed or dumped in a violent fashion, and they fortunately survive, they aren't going to be looking to continue any sort of fight with anything or anyone. They're done 100% after that, and that's a guarantee
People are going to have to start finding ways to minimize or outright ban butt-scooting in competition in order to change jiu jitsu's emphasis on takedowns.
Then your talking about complete Judo. Bjj is literally just a more developed version of the groundwork aspect of Judo which is called ne waza. All the takedowns, clinches, and basic submissions like chokeholds and arm bars are are literally Judo.
There's this sculpture or drawing, I think it's Greek or something, of a centaur heel-hooking a man, it's truly amazing. I don't really know if it's legit but it looks like it is
you know hes legit when all he wears is rash guards
I've been grappling since I was 5. First trained in BJJ, then switched to Wrestling & Boxing. Never looked back. The problem is in a fight when you get top position & are able to just strike, BJJ crumbles. I'm not saying you can't get caught in a sub while ground and pounding, but the chances are much lower when you start smashing a guys face who doesn't train to take blows. Ultimately, BJJ's biggest weakness, in my opinion, is a complete lack of striking & focusing too much on technique over training for strength & explosiveness.
He's talking about a more wrestling heavy approach in bjj
Oswaldo Fadda revolutionized foot locks when his students defeated the Gracie family’s students. He likely learned it from the Luis Franca who pick it up from his Japanese teachers Satake, Omori, and Maeda.
Fadda goat
I needed this. My coach draws from John Danaher.
We all know thta kurt angle invented the heel hook😌
weaknesses of bjj: the hip, back, wrists, legs ... nullify all these body parts and they're rendered completely harmless
Thank u coach
The heel-hook basically traces back to Ivan Gomes, who was trained by Takeo Yano but who also trained in Brazilian catch-wrestling, aka, luta livre, just as Yano also trained in Brazilian catch-wrestling as well as jiu jitsu.
You still post on Sherdog?
"yeah yeah yeah that's all cool, what about the 'Boston Crab'"?
Yoda
This guy is all wrong on the history of jujitsu. Jujitsu was how the samurai would kill his opponent on the battlefield if he lost his sword. The founder of Judo, Jigaro Kano was a jujitsu man and just like the famous modern day jujitsu family the Gracie's, Kano would also challenge many bigger people to a street fight to prove the potency of jujitsu. Professor Kano wanted to make jujitsu into a sport and he emphasized the throwing aspect of jujitsu and hence judo is focused on the throws. Jitsu means combat, do means sport, so yes ancient jujitsu already had very developed takedowns as well as joint manipulation of the legs not just the upper body as he's claiming. The real jujitsu the samurai used was complete combat system that took into account every possible scenario and wasn't lacking as her claims. Again grappling is a lost art that modern man has rediscovered through its exposure through television. The Roman knights and gladiators probably used a complete combat form of greco Roman wrestling and the Persians also had their Sambo etc. Not only was president Lincoln a formidable wrestler but it goes all the way back to the bible where Jacob wrestled an angel. Knowing this it doesn't seem far fetched when you hear stories of the gods fighting for days on end because in grappling you can stall and have a stalemate also the myth of Kung Fu and animal fighting styles probably came from jujitsu since it mimics how a boa constrictor kills
well said
Actually, judo has all three things he said that are missing from bjj. Bjj was born out of judo, and judo was born out of Japanese ju jitsu. The early Gracies basically practiced judo, but had more emphasis on the ground aspect (newaza). The problem is that when the Gracies started losing or "appearing" to lose to traditional judokas who had more experience (Kimura, Ono Brothers, etc.), they basically modified the rules to remove standing takedowns. When Oswaldo Fadda's gym beat the Gracies' gym in a challenge by using leglocks, they also tried to get rid of leglocks. So the Gracies are a huge reason to blame why takedowns and leglocks were passed down from Judo to BJJ. Then in the mid 1900s, Judo modified its ruleset to emphasize throws more for the sporting aspect (and Olympics), so Judo is partially to blame too.
literally everything you said is wrong, without exception
@@JJDon5150 not to mention getting rid of any and all leg attacks in Judo, they basically neutered the art of real Judo and turned it into "this guy throws you and you throw that guy" and whoever gets thrown mostly on their back with considerable force and speed, they win the match. And also the only joint locks that are permitted are of the arm/elbow. Literally everything else is banned. They've managed to start the process of turning Judo, a well-rounded and mostly complete and effective martial art, into what is essentially point-fighting style matches like Taekwondo and Karate. Soon it'll be "tech line" style Judo where the "Mcdojo" guys come into the picture; striking at the air, no real physical or actual training/sparring so no real benefits for real world scenarios. Just all for show. And there are more Judo gyms teaching this bullshit Competition/Olympic style Judo than there are ones that teach the full, complete version of Judo which basically has everything, striking on the feet, joint locks/holds, awesome shopping list of trips and throws, ground fighting and submissions. The newaza of Judo might not be as specifically trained or designed exclusively for ground fighting/submission grappling as it's descendant BJJ but when you add in all of the other skills that Judo brings to the table, you could easily find victory in a street fight against someone who only trains BJJ. They won't have to worry about pulling guard or even seated guard as you will get them to the ground swiftly and effectively. Once they meet the unforgiving embrace of the hard concrete, they will throw in the towel. In any and all situations, if someone hits their fucking head on the concrete, especially after getting tossed or dumped in a violent fashion, and they fortunately survive, they aren't going to be looking to continue any sort of fight with anything or anyone. They're done 100% after that, and that's a guarantee
Jitsu means art (such as technique or skill, like artisan) , do means “way.” I don’t think you know what you’re saying