He even mentioned a gun in the original TTRPG, this guy either does his homework for videos or he already was into Cyberpunk in the first place, either way he's fucking awesome
He reacted to the gun trailer already. It's why he knew about the shotgun already and brought up the historical pistol because he actually guessed correctly that it shot an electromagnetically accelerated slug even though it has an old-school appearance. I bet that trailer definitely piqued his interest in the game
@@tamacat920 9:55. He brings up it was in the TTRPG. If he knows that, it suggests, like OP said, he either really did his homework, or he has a deeper interest in it.
A lot of firearms can have fuzzy classifications - show one guy a weapon without any documentation on it, he might call it a PDW, another guy might call it an SMG, a third guy might call it a carbine. Take the M4 carbine from today, give it to a 1950s U.S. Army armorer, and he'd likely classify it as a sub-machinegun. To him, rifles that men carried into war were the M14, which was itself a derivative of the M1 Garand that said armorer probably learned to fire as a rifleman himself back in Dubya-Dubya Two.
@@ShadowDragon8685 Honestly I always forget the M4 is classified as a carabine and not a rifle since it shares the same ammo and barrel as the M16. But is lighter. I always say the M4 is a rifle :p However guns classifications also change between countries. Here in France, a semi automatic pistol, like a G17 or a 1911, is called an automatic pistol. Even if they can't fire in auto
The ingame lore tab for the pulsar even admits that it looks like “someone first dismantled your typical machine gun, then had a blindfolded kindergartener mash it back together.”
I do love how Cyberpunk acknowledges that a lot of it's arsenal is overdesigned nonsense. Very fitting for both the setting and a good excuse to have weirder looking gun designs.
To be honest I don't think developers are having any trouble making interesting concepts for guns, but they could definitely consult with someone like him to ask if they could theoretically work.
I'm not a firearms expert and even I'm put off by the gun designs in the game. What's the lump of metal doing under the barrel of all the pistols in the game? Why're all the submachineguns shooting rifle ammo? Why do rifle rounds do less damage than pistols rounds? And the list goes on.
@@hschan5976it’s not meant to be realistic. Pistols do more damage than assault rifles so that players can use pistols if they want to, in this setting where most characters are criminals using whatever guns they think are cool or what they have access to. If it does really annoy you, maybe look for a mod that makes combat more realistic, if such a mod exists.
@@GalironRunner HK is like the abusive boyfriend to the american gun buyer. No matter how shitty they treat us and steal our money we keep crawling back to them
Definitely I struggle with many experts react type videos even though love concept but he is just perfect for them. He knows enough about gaming and the industry and a ton on guns (where he works is amazing, I hope to visit again some time) but he also accepts and even seems to publicly enjoy the artistic liberties taken by games, rather than complaining and using it to flex their knowledge on their specialty. Jonathan actually just shows he is smart naturally
@@OryXity Groza isn't well known in the UK I've found - even amongst people otherwise very knowledgable on firearms. Until BF4 I had no idea it even existed.
@@Rroff2 still, he doesnt even point out the difference between the famas' nato style straight mag and the cyberpunk guns curved ak mag (but he brings it up for the ak smg thing)
He is for sure a gamer . He is always referencing balance in games and why they do certain things . He's the perfect guy for bridging the gap between games and reality
2:50 whoever was playing definitely died via explosion after that cut. Love the expert takes Jon! CDPR should take notes on what was said about the tech shotty. Ammo types or mods to swap effects please!
13:16 If you go frame by frame (comma and dot keys) you can actually see that the shot gun DID NOT take off a limb. It just looked that way, because the shin went up very fast. You can see the limb still attached when the body lies still on the ground.
Indeed, I noticed that too. I suspect dismemberment was disabled for the purposes of keeping this video at least a little bit family-friendly. Those kinds of shots would definitely dismember people in the game normally.
Get this guy reacting to Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades! Will be interesting to see his take on video game guns that are actually handled in a manner closer to real firearms instead of just "press R to reload". I actually had to Google how to reload an MP5 since I was looking for a button near the grip to drop the magazine and couldn't find one!
Agreed, but it's going to be hard to find footage/have him play, while showing off all the functions of the firearms. Things like a single action army going off when dropped or the spas 12 switching between pump and semi-auto won't necessarily be shown in pure gameplay. and if he plays it himself, he may not be familiar with all of the controls on the trackpad (e.g. holding your right thumb on trackpad left, and flipping up/down to simulate the slide release)
I love how this guy gives his professional opinion all while appreciating the fact that these are just all games in the end. I would love to see him talk about Insurgency Sandstorm.
Honestly, most people with any type of museum job like this are really cool to talk to because they REALLY love what they do. I should not know the name Irving Finkel, but he just gets so jazzed about cuneiform and talks about it so lovingly that I actually actively seek him out.
@@borismuller86 Or that the Crusher was first designed in the early 90s before we really started seeing shotguns with polymer mags (CDPR did great updating the design, I just wish more cyberpunk 2020 guns found their way into 2077)
@@SalsaSharky TBH it's cause most of them are shit, at least artistically there's not much to pull from, even Johnny's Malorian handcannon saw a well needed update. That being said I'd love to get me an M31A1, caseless higher caliber P90
Ian’s actually done at least one video with him! Look up Forgotten Weapons’ video on improvised firearms, you get to hear Ferguson talk a lot, lot more about various bits of weaponry, fantastic bloke all round.
Gamespot "Reviewer" said that she is "not interested in sidequests", and Johnny's gun are only available for use by V after completion of a certain sidequest. Typical gaming journalism.
@@Maxz85 I mean the reason there's so many bullshit reviews that were made by the "Gaming Journalist" in the First Place were because they're not playing the game to its Fullest, they just Play the Main Quest done? Then done.
Notice the way he reacted to the shotgun to the knee? This may seem like an over-reaction for those of us in America, but "Knee-capping" is culturally seen as absolutely horrifying in the UK amongst people his age. Reason being, The IRA/Irish Republican Army... They were known for shooting British soldiers in the knees, something that will leave you ruined for life, and is excruciatingly painful. So much so, that the scene in Terminator 2 where Arnold knee-caps a guard and says "He'll live" was an INCREDIBLY controversial scene at the time of the film's release!
Never heard of IRA shooting British soldiers in legs (it wouldn't be that easy), but I've heard a lot that it was form of "marking" and was used on drug dealers (and probably on traitors but I'm not sure they weren't simply killed)
4:48 "And I imagine there's a choice of buckshot, slugs, different ammunition." I wish. Ammo system in the game's so simple that a .45 pistol, a railgun-revolver firing ball bearings, and a homing gyro-rocket pistol all pull from the same pool. No room for variant ammunition there.
You can only carry so much ammo in this game. If every gun required different ammo, as it should be irl, you'd either have too much ammunition, or not enough.
I learned during my mandatory service in the german army that you shouldn't do the "HK slap" because it's simply to loud (e.g. if you load your weapon when waiting in a hideout). On the other hand, once the shooting started it doesn't really matter. :)
Guess maybe cuz it’s kind of a spoiler if you haven’t gotten that far in the story. Not the biggest spoiler but for those who don’t wanna see it it’s good for them
@thedog556 Yeah they literally made a plastic machine pistol you get from a vending machine that you have to pull a tag off to fire and it only has one clip.
Mess you can clean. Crippling won't go away. The shotgun to the knee still can keep your knee working to some degree. It will hurt like hell, will probably itch constantly, you'll need the braces, but it's still not the same as having no leg at all. One thing people generally don't tell you about is how hard you have to try to keep non-biological parts from causing complications. For example, that very advanced, not peg leg, but still crude mechanic leg? It uses overly complex mount and support system to allow you to get yourself through one day and still be able to do something on another. It still requires perfect hygiene, damper replacements, a lot of different salves and busy day will still get you water or even blood filled blisters that will put you out of comission for 2-3 days. And skimping on hygiene will quickly translates into festering. I hope you don't mind the smell which will probably destroy your reputation and render you repulsive to everyone. I knew a guy who took a bullet in the mouth (Grand theft auto went wrong). This made a mess of his jaw and at that kind of damage and scarring it was simply physically impossible to keep that part clean (Trust me, he tried hard. Constantly bled for that and went through mouthwash faster than a fatman goes through his coke). He couldn't get at peace with the new smell. Other couldn't too. In the end he was left alone and this led him to commiting [comment/channel removal].
the most realistic shotgun blast to the leg at point blank range was in - oh lord forgive me - call of duty. Black Ops 2 to be exact it completely massacred wood's legs so he could not use them anymore but didn't blow them off.
@@anthony-jr3615 yeah. Since that was more or less a Borg I'm pretty sure the leg was armored up enough so it can withstand a shotgun blast without shattering.
When he was talking about the smg with the "HK Slap", I'm surprised that he didn't mention how the handle locks in the opposite direction than the ump. With the normal gun, you pull the handle back and move it upward to lock it in place, but the cyberpunk version moves downward to lock, making it impossible to slap it in the way the animation suggests. In the clip at 11:56, you can obviously see the player pulling the handle downward when reloading, then slap it downward again to chamber it, which doing so in real life would only result in hurting your own hand.
Honestly, Jonathan is the best 'expert' reacter I've seen so far, not only is he infredibly knowledgable in his field, but he also knows games and gaming enough to get context and stylistic deviation in design. This is the kind of talent Gameology needs more of.
I agree, and the second best is the sniper that reviewed Battlefield 3 sniper mission. He's not a gamer but understands it's a work of fiction and acts accordingly.
I agree, honestly I don't like listening to the videos with the former bank robber because he clearly doesn't understand video games, and so he doesn't understand the context of what's going on in the scenes he looks at
I mean, that's literally the definition of Cyberpunk. No need to bring "retrofuturism" into it, the genre that the game's named after is specifically about the dystopian future as envisioned in the 80s. Emphasis on the dystopian part.
@@neruneri Retrofuturism is a blanket term for taking the viewpoint of the past to imagine a future setting. Steampunk, cyberpunk, dieselpunk, atompunk, etc. are all retrofuturism when they take place in a time period that was to the future of their respective "origin" years. They are all basically settings where the super-advanced tech is all black boxes, but they have the outward appearance and usability of the gadgets of their target eras.
funny you would say that. the devs quite clearly said that to change things around they went for more of a 90s look. ye. i wanted 80s, everyone wanted 80s. probably devs wanted 90s, what we got was...glitchy 2020s. retrofuturism is perfectly fine term if you have some basis behind it. say you have that shotty from cyberpunk. clearly its a double barreled inefficiency of the old times (retro), powered by electricity propelling the shells (futurism). both features by themselves mean jack shit, the combination of them arrive at something recognisable from multiple spheres/genres/whatever. It works.
13:30 It's really scary what kind of devastating damage a shotgun does. Saw a video online that depicted a guy who survived being shot in the face by a shotgun. It will haunt me forever.
It makes a lot of sense, from a design stand point, to make the assault rifles and submachine guns look similar. In a functioning urban area you'll have to deal with both open and closed environments, so you want a gun that's helpful in both situations (longer smgs and bullpup assault rifles in other words)
I’m personally pretty sure the “Pulsar” bullpup smg was inspiring by the similar looking rifle from the original Ghost in the Shell. Kinda looks like a P90 with an AK mag.
@@AlanGChenery wait a sec, wasnt the c25 not the p90 style submachine gun? I think the pistol is the seburo m5, but has been a while since I watched the show. and yeah, there are definitely influences, although the pistol in cp77 carries a way bigger round with a smaller magazine. Also the quasar is influenced by the silenced pistol in the very first deus ex design wise, but I think it was also already in the original cp 2020 if I am not mistaken.
@PointBlank200It looks believable. But the new Bastard does not. The mag sits too low under the chamber. There's no way for the cartridges to get to the chamber.
This guy is kind of awesome. Most historians, weapons specialists don't get video games and he seems to be quite familiar with game design as well. Very cool. Hope to see more with him.
I am absolutely marathoning these videos while I work, haven't even played most of the games myself but I could listen to Jonathan talk all day. Luckily I live just down the road (sort of) from the Royal Armouries Museum so I'll be on the first train there as soon as it's open again.
Exactly what I thought of when he was talking about the bullpup sub-machinegun. With its peculiar shape I'm surprised the TKB-022 isn't more popular with video games, especially sci fi themed ones
@@martini1094 I personally find their mechanical workings interesting. Not to mention, knowing about how to use them safely and responsibly can only benefit you.
I like that this guy is a professional that delivers technical knowledge without taking the analysis too serious. Sometimes a few reactors do some massive nitpicks that really don't teaches very much
Can't imagine how hard would be for him make this video like ''Well, all arms in this game are fictional af, what do i take to the recording room to compare them? ah, yes the old famas''
He was probably referring to the fact that railguns allow for a wider variety of ammunition, the only requirements being they can fit into the barrel and are ferromagnetic.
Jonathan, interesting historical note: the old M-16A1 rifles, when first introduced to the Vietnam conflict, had straight 20-rd magazines. I have seen combat footage of a platoon fighting VC soldiers in the jungle and one soldier would hold down the mag release button and flick the rifle. The magazine flew straight out. I haven't seen them do it with later versions because they upgraded it to 30-round curved magazines. I tried this with an AR knockoff and couldn't do it. I don't know if it's caused by the now-common use of polymer as it tends to be a bit "sticky" when you try to remove it. I honestly am not sure if you can flick the 30-round mag out if it was the old metal version.
The canonical reason you replace the revolver cylinder is that it is a trap product like a printer, the gun is super cheap but cylinders cost a ton of money and can't be reloaded without modification that is illegal
Dude, this is the most wholesome breakdown of firearms I have ever seen. Please have Jonathan on more! I'd love to see him tackle Perfect Dark or Destiny just to see where inspirations come from.
Jonathan is definitely one of the best firearm experts when it comes to these VG analysis videos on the web, by far. As a firearm fan, and engineer, on top of playing a fair amount of video games, I always appreciate his take and insight. Well done all!
@@gombar325 the strongest weapons and armor ingame are iconic ones which you need to upgrade to legendary tho. I always invest 18 point on crafting in my 2 playthrough
@@gombar325 other skill tree is more fun, not necessarily more useful. When money glitches is fixed, crafting will be godsend. But i am interested in doing cold blood + mantis blade build, seems fun.
@@brianr.6376 I have no idea what the money glitches do or how they do it, but i must say reflex with guns/swords or full netrunning builds sounded more fun than crafting even on paper just reading out the perks on my first playthrough.
This was awesome!! hopefully you guys do a part 2, there are a lot of other cool guns in cyberpunk, specifically some dope snipers and LMGs I like to use!
I've generally been impressed with the weapon details in this game and how feasible they are (compared to say, Borderlands) - but now I can't un-see that the charging handle for the UMP-like gun locks down - not up like the real one - which means you'd have to slap in an upward motion to release it - not down. The animation doesn't physically work.
I noticed there is a Mateba MTR-8 on the table in the background. A shame we didn't get to see that up close, seen them before but I always enjoy seeing them whenever I can. There are only ten MTR-8 autorevolvers that exist in the US, so it's always fun to see them. There is an obvious copy of the autorevolver in Cyberpunk, and I personally would have liked to have seen it discussed.
I was hoping to hear tour opinion on the slaught-o-matic disposable gun from cyberpunk. It’s more of a curiosity than a viable combat option in game, but an interesting concept.
I can appreciate that this is a guy who's an expert on guns, can notice and acknowledge inaccuracies, but still isn't afraid to say "This makes no god damn sense but it does look cool"
@@BulletSponge178 nah unless he worked on long ago its unlikely a guy that works for a museum would know anything secret. Its likely he looks at publicity avaliable stuff like the steerable 50 cal from darpa. Darpa puts a lot of stuff online in the form of submission requests I belive a lot of it is publicly searchable.
@@GalironRunner Dude. This guy's plugged in with contemporary weapons. He's not a curator of dusty Brownings and muskets. If he doesn't have direct military experience, he knows people in the branches and has a wealth of contacts and information that we simply do not have access to. There's a lot less knowledgeable hobbyists in the UK, since you really can't be as a private citizen. Over there, if someone knows their guns, they're likely military and/or plugged in with those in active duty.
Its rather old, I would say 2008-2009. But I forget the sources that made it start circulating as a 'tacticool' reload technique. It was around that time when people still thought throwing as many attachments on a gun as possible was better than just the few necessities.
I love when experts break down movies and video games but this guy gets extra points to acknowledging that it is a video game and the artists got creative with designs.
You know, I kinda like that the Shigure has references to Neo and John Wick in the slap and magazine flick. I mean, Keanu Reeves - sorry, 'Johnny Silverhand' plays such a big part of the story, I like to think the developers threw that in as a little nod to him.
The HK slap has a great intimidation factor. :) Even knowing the (A)G3 we used in the Norwegian army was empty, the sound of one or several soldiers slapping the leaver down certainly gets your attention.
he knows game philosphy too which is why i like watching these videos even more. he understands the value of balance in gaming, like how the RT-35 BURYR has a slow reload but to offer the fun factor of the challenge to reload at the right time. most chill firerarms expert imo.
My friends and I call it "beefbagging" when a limb gets shotgunned or blown off because it looks like a half empty bag of ground beef that the cat tore into. Your limb is now a beefbag.
This dude even knows about the original Cyberpunk pen & paper boardgame. This is the type of experts I hope we get more of. They judge realism but also take game design into account
He even mentioned a gun in the original TTRPG, this guy either does his homework for videos or he already was into Cyberpunk in the first place, either way he's fucking awesome
He reacted to the gun trailer already. It's why he knew about the shotgun already and brought up the historical pistol because he actually guessed correctly that it shot an electromagnetically accelerated slug even though it has an old-school appearance. I bet that trailer definitely piqued his interest in the game
no, its just that the the ttrpg also uses existing guns
@@tamacat920 9:55. He brings up it was in the TTRPG. If he knows that, it suggests, like OP said, he either really did his homework, or he has a deeper interest in it.
i just love to see them inviting people that are expert and plays video games
Ooo.
"The game says it's a submachinegun who am I to argue?"
Guy behind the camera.
"A firearms expert, Jon... it's the reason we hired you..."
🤣🤣🤣
Pdw?
A lot of firearms can have fuzzy classifications - show one guy a weapon without any documentation on it, he might call it a PDW, another guy might call it an SMG, a third guy might call it a carbine.
Take the M4 carbine from today, give it to a 1950s U.S. Army armorer, and he'd likely classify it as a sub-machinegun. To him, rifles that men carried into war were the M14, which was itself a derivative of the M1 Garand that said armorer probably learned to fire as a rifleman himself back in Dubya-Dubya Two.
@@ShadowDragon8685
Honestly I always forget the M4 is classified as a carabine and not a rifle since it shares the same ammo and barrel as the M16. But is lighter.
I always say the M4 is a rifle :p
However guns classifications also change between countries. Here in France, a semi automatic pistol, like a G17 or a 1911, is called an automatic pistol. Even if they can't fire in auto
@@TheKenji2221 That reminds me, why wouldn't the m16a3 or m16a4 have an m203? Why don't they use m203s anymore?
The ingame lore tab for the pulsar even admits that it looks like “someone first dismantled your typical machine gun, then had a blindfolded kindergartener mash it back together.”
That is hilarious
@@stubbornspaceman7201 And correct XD
I do love how Cyberpunk acknowledges that a lot of it's arsenal is overdesigned nonsense. Very fitting for both the setting and a good excuse to have weirder looking gun designs.
A developer should hire this guy to help design guns. He's got cool ideas and knows his stuff.
To be honest I don't think developers are having any trouble making interesting concepts for guns, but they could definitely consult with someone like him to ask if they could theoretically work.
@@gamesdeen3768 a few devs have already consulted him actually
AFAIK Arma 3 had an actual gun company design stuff for them.
I'm not a firearms expert and even I'm put off by the gun designs in the game. What's the lump of metal doing under the barrel of all the pistols in the game? Why're all the submachineguns shooting rifle ammo? Why do rifle rounds do less damage than pistols rounds? And the list goes on.
@@hschan5976it’s not meant to be realistic. Pistols do more damage than assault rifles so that players can use pistols if they want to, in this setting where most characters are criminals using whatever guns they think are cool or what they have access to. If it does really annoy you, maybe look for a mod that makes combat more realistic, if such a mod exists.
The sound of that H&K slap is so hella satisfying.
Yep but expensive. Cheapest way to get it is the gsg522 and the conversion kit makes it all the better.
Yes, it sounds lovely
@@GalironRunner HK is like the abusive boyfriend to the american gun buyer. No matter how shitty they treat us and steal our money we keep crawling back to them
Garand ping, 50 caliber bolt and HK slap are the best firearms related sounds
It sounds menacing and awesome
This man seems like he works at Jhon Wick's hotel The Continental
Could be
@@fastcar544 *oh shit*
Lance Reddick who plays the manager at the Continental is Sylens in Horizon Zero Dawn 😄🤓
He is not that classy
@@kirillheart4158 He is working in budget branch of continental.
"As a museum, we don't always have the latest versions of things"
But he definitely keeps up to date. Even gaming wise.
Well I guess its just he's being British. They tend to be confusingly euphemismic
@@pureintroverted9304 what?
he should have said "not even the museum can afford to always have stuff that is up to date"
that shit made me lol
This guy was perfect for this, not only knew his firearms but pop-culture associations too.
Definitely I struggle with many experts react type videos even though love concept but he is just perfect for them. He knows enough about gaming and the industry and a ton on guns (where he works is amazing, I hope to visit again some time) but he also accepts and even seems to publicly enjoy the artistic liberties taken by games, rather than complaining and using it to flex their knowledge on their specialty. Jonathan actually just shows he is smart naturally
Except for the whole... Gun based on a groza.... Being Called a famas by this 'gun expert'
@@OryXity Groza isn't well known in the UK I've found - even amongst people otherwise very knowledgable on firearms. Until BF4 I had no idea it even existed.
@@Rroff2 still, he doesnt even point out the difference between the famas' nato style straight mag and the cyberpunk guns curved ak mag (but he brings it up for the ak smg thing)
He is for sure a gamer . He is always referencing balance in games and why they do certain things . He's the perfect guy for bridging the gap between games and reality
2:50 whoever was playing definitely died via explosion after that cut. Love the expert takes Jon! CDPR should take notes on what was said about the tech shotty. Ammo types or mods to swap effects please!
Your new vegas videos are great,
shut up dude
@@dookcurruff9047 no u
@@dookcurruff9047 you shut up
CDPR should remake the damn game...
13:16 If you go frame by frame (comma and dot keys) you can actually see that the shot gun DID NOT take off a limb. It just looked that way, because the shin went up very fast. You can see the limb still attached when the body lies still on the ground.
To be fair, limbs can come off in the game from shotgun hits.
Indeed, I noticed that too. I suspect dismemberment was disabled for the purposes of keeping this video at least a little bit family-friendly. Those kinds of shots would definitely dismember people in the game normally.
how do i do that on mobile?
@@itscznben8728 I dont know of any method to go frame by frame on mobile :(
@@itscznben8728 Grab the video bar and while holding, swipe up.
Get this guy reacting to Hot Dogs, Horseshoes & Hand Grenades! Will be interesting to see his take on video game guns that are actually handled in a manner closer to real firearms instead of just "press R to reload". I actually had to Google how to reload an MP5 since I was looking for a button near the grip to drop the magazine and couldn't find one!
hell yeah, I love H3VR
Then do it with Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Siege
I would love to see him play that and not just watch it too
I bet he will feel right at home
Agreed, but it's going to be hard to find footage/have him play, while showing off all the functions of the firearms. Things like a single action army going off when dropped or the spas 12 switching between pump and semi-auto won't necessarily be shown in pure gameplay. and if he plays it himself, he may not be familiar with all of the controls on the trackpad (e.g. holding your right thumb on trackpad left, and flipping up/down to simulate the slide release)
I love how this guy gives his professional opinion all while appreciating the fact that these are just all games in the end. I would love to see him talk about Insurgency Sandstorm.
I like how he is considerate of the game and that it is a fantasy/futuristic game so he isnt saying like this is wrong and that is wrong
He seems to be into games as well so he gets that some things are done for gameplay and balance reasons
Really cool guy
The whole game is wrong lol
@@mitchangelucci1354 its not that its bad but way to overhyped
@@nexy3479 no the whole game is dog shit, watch the crowbcat video on it.
@@nexy3479 lego world was coded better than cyberpunk, along with gta 1 and saints row 1, cyberpunk is a whole ass scam.
It's actually pretty badass that Johnathan actually knows about the pen and paper game.
He is a well educated individual with (supposedly) background in archeology, finding the pen & paper version wasn't hard for him
12:08 nobody gonna appreciate him from loading that mag so smoothly?
Jonathan seems really cool, I'd reckon there are a lot of people watching this who would love to have a beer with him
GunJesus does.... They even write books simultaneously
He kinda looks a little bit like the older version of doctor who
Don't want to have a beer with him. Would like to go to the range with him!
Honestly, most people with any type of museum job like this are really cool to talk to because they REALLY love what they do. I should not know the name Irving Finkel, but he just gets so jazzed about cuneiform and talks about it so lovingly that I actually actively seek him out.
I'd love for him to take a look at Insurgency: Sandstorm.
Yes yes yes!!!
Takarov vs Sandstorm would be interesting
What about Borderlands?
That and maybe squad
@@friendlycrusader2394 Yeah, Squad would be cool too.
9:54 the fact that this guy knows the original version of this game... o7
Surprised he didn’t mention that’s why a lot of the guns look so 80s.
@@borismuller86 Or that the Crusher was first designed in the early 90s before we really started seeing shotguns with polymer mags (CDPR did great updating the design, I just wish more cyberpunk 2020 guns found their way into 2077)
@@Gallagher068 They might be tying those classic firearms into future DLC.
@@SalsaSharky TBH it's cause most of them are shit, at least artistically there's not much to pull from, even Johnny's Malorian handcannon saw a well needed update. That being said I'd love to get me an M31A1, caseless higher caliber P90
@@Gallagher068 Yeah lmao, in the original manual Johnny's gun just looks like a regular gun
"Who am I to argue?"
You're the effing keeper of Firearms at the Royal Armourie John!
This guy is addictive AF. He's like a british Ian McCollum!
Ian’s actually done at least one video with him! Look up Forgotten Weapons’ video on improvised firearms, you get to hear Ferguson talk a lot, lot more about various bits of weaponry, fantastic bloke all round.
@@platyclysm4633 Yeah, Ian helped him with the british rifle book, and I remember the milk controversy. But they are very much alike in many ways!
@@deividplays
>the milk controversy...
What???
@@rafadylewski7190 lol I was part of that, you'll see my comment in the video :)
@@deividplays what milk controversy?
I am disappointed that they didn’t show him silverhand’s gun
its because this is a grab for clicks. they didnt even show him skippy... if they had played it, he would definitely have been shown skippy.
Gamespot "Reviewer" said that she is "not interested in sidequests", and Johnny's gun are only available for use by V after completion of a certain sidequest.
Typical gaming journalism.
@@Maxz85 I mean the reason there's so many bullshit reviews that were made by the "Gaming Journalist" in the First Place were because they're not playing the game to its Fullest, they just Play the Main Quest done? Then done.
@@Azazantei yup and in addition to it, they get stuck in some bullshit that any other player would have easily handled
@@Maxz85 for real?? Well, that's effectively a review of less than half the game.
Notice the way he reacted to the shotgun to the knee? This may seem like an over-reaction for those of us in America, but "Knee-capping" is culturally seen as absolutely horrifying in the UK amongst people his age. Reason being, The IRA/Irish Republican Army... They were known for shooting British soldiers in the knees, something that will leave you ruined for life, and is excruciatingly painful. So much so, that the scene in Terminator 2 where Arnold knee-caps a guard and says "He'll live" was an INCREDIBLY controversial scene at the time of the film's release!
Damn cool trivia thx!
Very intriguing!
Wonder how John Reese from Person of Interest would be received...
So basically "I used to be a soldier like you, then I took a shotgun to the knee"?
well at least in cyberpunk they could get a new leg, if they could afford it.
Never heard of IRA shooting British soldiers in legs (it wouldn't be that easy), but I've heard a lot that it was form of "marking" and was used on drug dealers (and probably on traitors but I'm not sure they weren't simply killed)
"This is the Fam ass" -RUclips auto generated captions 2020
I’d pronounce it as fum-arse.
IDK maybe I’m too Bri’i’sh
Femme ass
F=a.mass
😄
4:48 "And I imagine there's a choice of buckshot, slugs, different ammunition."
I wish. Ammo system in the game's so simple that a .45 pistol, a railgun-revolver firing ball bearings, and a homing gyro-rocket pistol all pull from the same pool. No room for variant ammunition there.
What's the point of having an ammo system in a shooter if all the ammo is the same?
Lmao really?
You need to play Escape from Tarkov
You can only carry so much ammo in this game. If every gun required different ammo, as it should be irl, you'd either have too much ammunition, or not enough.
@@kikosawa Fallout pulls it off very well
I learned during my mandatory service in the german army that you shouldn't do the "HK slap" because it's simply to loud (e.g. if you load your weapon when waiting in a hideout). On the other hand, once the shooting started it doesn't really matter. :)
"This is Jonathan Ferguson, everybodys new favourite hero"
everyone in the comments hyping up Jonathans game knowledge and Im just here appreciating the the editor remembering that scene form 5th element
zero stones zero crates
Why didn't you show him Johnny Silverhand's handgun and his double-twirl reloading technique ??
A really good gun to show too is the disposable vending machine pistol
Guess maybe cuz it’s kind of a spoiler if you haven’t gotten that far in the story. Not the biggest spoiler but for those who don’t wanna see it it’s good for them
or... jee williker batman... ANY sniper rifle?
and the Overwatch, it's literally a sniper riffle that shouts trough walls and have a silencer (in this case, silencer is the right term) on it.
@thedog556 Yeah they literally made a plastic machine pistol you get from a vending machine that you have to pull a tag off to fire and it only has one clip.
"Reality is less horrific and also more horrific."
Mess you can clean. Crippling won't go away.
The shotgun to the knee still can keep your knee working to some degree. It will hurt like hell, will probably itch constantly, you'll need the braces, but it's still not the same as having no leg at all.
One thing people generally don't tell you about is how hard you have to try to keep non-biological parts from causing complications.
For example, that very advanced, not peg leg, but still crude mechanic leg? It uses overly complex mount and support system to allow you to get yourself through one day and still be able to do something on another. It still requires perfect hygiene, damper replacements, a lot of different salves and busy day will still get you water or even blood filled blisters that will put you out of comission for 2-3 days. And skimping on hygiene will quickly translates into festering. I hope you don't mind the smell which will probably destroy your reputation and render you repulsive to everyone.
I knew a guy who took a bullet in the mouth (Grand theft auto went wrong). This made a mess of his jaw and at that kind of damage and scarring it was simply physically impossible to keep that part clean (Trust me, he tried hard. Constantly bled for that and went through mouthwash faster than a fatman goes through his coke). He couldn't get at peace with the new smell. Other couldn't too. In the end he was left alone and this led him to commiting [comment/channel removal].
the most realistic shotgun blast to the leg at point blank range was in - oh lord forgive me - call of duty.
Black Ops 2 to be exact
it completely massacred wood's legs so he could not use them anymore but didn't blow them off.
@@burningsinner1132 Thanks for that context.
The shotgun never blew off the leg, its still connected the force of the blast must of just shot the leg back and the person fell over do to it
@@anthony-jr3615 yeah. Since that was more or less a Borg I'm pretty sure the leg was armored up enough so it can withstand a shotgun blast without shattering.
When he was talking about the smg with the "HK Slap", I'm surprised that he didn't mention how the handle locks in the opposite direction than the ump. With the normal gun, you pull the handle back and move it upward to lock it in place, but the cyberpunk version moves downward to lock, making it impossible to slap it in the way the animation suggests. In the clip at 11:56, you can obviously see the player pulling the handle downward when reloading, then slap it downward again to chamber it, which doing so in real life would only result in hurting your own hand.
This is the perfect man to have an in-depth, interesting conversation with
About guns
@@colin8477 And tea. He has a video about brewing tea.
@@randomnobodovsky3692 whats his view on ISO 3103?
@Forgotten Weapons
i wonder what his opinion is of the 2nd amendment in America is
do Metro Exodus - would love to see his POV on the structure, makeshift style of the weapons from that game
Yess
Honestly, Jonathan is the best 'expert' reacter I've seen so far, not only is he infredibly knowledgable in his field, but he also knows games and gaming enough to get context and stylistic deviation in design.
This is the kind of talent Gameology needs more of.
I agree, and the second best is the sniper that reviewed Battlefield 3 sniper mission. He's not a gamer but understands it's a work of fiction and acts accordingly.
Totally. I love this guy.
I agree, honestly I don't like listening to the videos with the former bank robber because he clearly doesn't understand video games, and so he doesn't understand the context of what's going on in the scenes he looks at
@@firehedgehog1446 Chris the Cop is a goodun though, there to straighten him out with the gameplay rundowns.
despite the mixed reception of cp2077, every time i see footage of it i am constantly reminded that the music slaps.
Shame he didn't take a look at Skippy, for example the reloading characteristic "thanks choom"
I acquired that gun not too long ago. I laughed a lot at the reference to a certain annoying office assistant.
The fuckin' gun has a free trial of auto-aiming the enemy head which is hilarious
@@mariobhakti8180 If you chose trial to be friendly body mode only, it then will switch to headshot mode permanently.
@@SnowWolf75hehe ur not funny
Also no Widowmaker
"Quite the 80s look to it."
Kind of the point. This is imagining 2077 from the lens of the 80s.
Retrofuturism is a beauty.
I mean, that's literally the definition of Cyberpunk. No need to bring "retrofuturism" into it, the genre that the game's named after is specifically about the dystopian future as envisioned in the 80s. Emphasis on the dystopian part.
@@neruneri Retrofuturism is a blanket term for taking the viewpoint of the past to imagine a future setting.
Steampunk, cyberpunk, dieselpunk, atompunk, etc. are all retrofuturism when they take place in a time period that was to the future of their respective "origin" years. They are all basically settings where the super-advanced tech is all black boxes, but they have the outward appearance and usability of the gadgets of their target eras.
@@Tounushi You're both right. He's saying it's unnecessary, it's like saying "there was a mammalian badger." all cyberpunk is retrofuturist!
funny you would say that. the devs quite clearly said that to change things around they went for more of a 90s look. ye. i wanted 80s, everyone wanted 80s. probably devs wanted 90s, what we got was...glitchy 2020s.
retrofuturism is perfectly fine term if you have some basis behind it. say you have that shotty from cyberpunk. clearly its a double barreled inefficiency of the old times (retro), powered by electricity propelling the shells (futurism). both features by themselves mean jack shit, the combination of them arrive at something recognisable from multiple spheres/genres/whatever. It works.
Love retrofuturism. But I think the body modification part of cyberpunk is actually a really good prediction since it could happen.
An intriguing lore-bit about the Smart bullets in-game is that they're the sci-fi descendant of gyrojet rounds. Love the idea of that for some reason
this guy seems like a top bloke, his museums is about an hour from where I used to live, might go there once I visit UK again.
I've been there a few times 10/10 place
13:30 It's really scary what kind of devastating damage a shotgun does. Saw a video online that depicted a guy who survived being shot in the face by a shotgun. It will haunt me forever.
link?
@@itscznben8728 gotta search for yourself buddy
Kane and Lynch I suspect?
@@DLGaming2002 no, actual footage of sb who actually got shot
@@qinn1996 Jesus Christ...
It makes a lot of sense, from a design stand point, to make the assault rifles and submachine guns look similar. In a functioning urban area you'll have to deal with both open and closed environments, so you want a gun that's helpful in both situations (longer smgs and bullpup assault rifles in other words)
The fact that the guy playing didnt once shoot through a wall with a tech wepon to show what that charge is for seems like an oversight
He should totally react to Titanfall 2's guns!
I wonder what will be his take on the darn Spitfire
@@EldenMergo seconded. I would love that. Especially when he gets to the Alternator.
Just as I thought about it, I happen to stumble upon your comment. And I can't agree more.
@@EldenMergo Viper's on station. Your journey ends here, Pilot. The skies belong to me. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.
@@sewagridmnds627 Gotta move faster than that son, speed is life.
Little does everyone know, he's actually Relaxing End.
Uh
Really???
@@PhaseRushSupp this is probably /s
@@PhaseRushSupp it’s a joke he’s not really the relaxing end
@@sxar_0660 oh because of that white gloves😅😅
6:05 that is the first double barrel i have seen with something like an actual pistol grip, rather than the usual wristbreaker grip.
@4:15 it's like he doesn't realize the famas was introduced to gamers pretty roundly in the original Metal Gear Solid. A scifi game
And Counter Strike 1.6
I’m personally pretty sure the “Pulsar” bullpup smg was inspiring by the similar looking rifle from the original Ghost in the Shell. Kinda looks like a P90 with an AK mag.
One of the smart pistols is the absolute spitting image of the Seburo C25 A from the managa.
@@AlanGChenery wait a sec, wasnt the c25 not the p90 style submachine gun? I think the pistol is the seburo m5, but has been a while since I watched the show. and yeah, there are definitely influences, although the pistol in cp77 carries a way bigger round with a smaller magazine. Also the quasar is influenced by the silenced pistol in the very first deus ex design wise, but I think it was also already in the original cp 2020 if I am not mistaken.
how about a metro exodus guns video?
That would be rad. Bet he’d get a kick out of all the makeshift guns.
@@ABlackPatriot forgotten weapons did videos about makeshift rifles and pistols, I'm sure nothing bad will happen if they dont make it a how to video
@PointBlank200It looks believable. But the new Bastard does not. The mag sits too low under the chamber. There's no way for the cartridges to get to the chamber.
That's a great idea, I'd like to hear his opinions on those designs
Defs need Metro!
I don’t know why I love this guy so much
Is it because you're horny for guns?
@@Dogtles I think ur right
Maybe u ah geh?
@@alexander10122 “Charlie don’t surf”
-Lieutenant Colonel Bill Kilgor
@@Tubbs777 ;)
The Famas has always been my favorite machine gun ever since Metal Gear Solid.
Goddamn. This is probably the most well rounded and most knowledgable and enjoyable Expert ive ever seein in any video ever. I love it.
One day it will be Ian McCoullum.
*Gun Jesus Reacts To...*
There is a video where Ian talks about battlefield one weapons.
this guy's cool tho I like Ian but he doesnt have to do everything
This dude has actually been on a couple Forgotten Weapon's videos
Ian's great, but he's not much of a gamer afaik, unlike Jonathan.
the guns were awesome, but this man is even more awesome, he's really cool...
Man we made so many comments on how he said "pausing" that hes self conscious and won't say it again! Damn you all
This guy is kind of awesome. Most historians, weapons specialists don't get video games and he seems to be quite familiar with game design as well. Very cool. Hope to see more with him.
I am absolutely marathoning these videos while I work, haven't even played most of the games myself but I could listen to Jonathan talk all day. Luckily I live just down the road (sort of) from the Royal Armouries Museum so I'll be on the first train there as soon as it's open again.
This needs a second part. Please make a second part with all the unique guns like Johnny's
Exactly what I thought of when he was talking about the bullpup sub-machinegun. With its peculiar shape I'm surprised the TKB-022 isn't more popular with video games, especially sci fi themed ones
It is a damn interesting gun, actually there is another that works just like the TKB-022, the Styer ACR, which is also a very interesting gun.
The 2077 weapon he was talking about there looked more like a Groza to me
Why do u guys know this much about guns?
@@martini1094 I personally find their mechanical workings interesting. Not to mention, knowing about how to use them safely and responsibly can only benefit you.
The TKB is an early-game rifle in "Phantom Doctrine," which is like XCOM, *but with Cold War spies*.
I love that in cyberpunk there are different reload animations if your weapon is empty or not
I like that this guy is a professional that delivers technical knowledge without taking the analysis too serious. Sometimes a few reactors do some massive nitpicks that really don't teaches very much
0:41 "sauvi are you winning" *INTENSE FLASHBACKS OF "ARE YOU WINNIN SON?*
Can't imagine how hard would be for him make this video like ''Well, all arms in this game are fictional af, what do i take to the recording room to compare them? ah, yes the old famas''
I love how this dude isn't grounded in reality and is into the idea of fictional guns.
"And I imagine there is a choice of different ammunition"
Yeah... we all imagined there would be...
He was probably referring to the fact that railguns allow for a wider variety of ammunition, the only requirements being they can fit into the barrel and are ferromagnetic.
@@gloriouslumi In the gameplay 2 years back they talk about different ammos
@@Abbandoneer instead they went with effects that can be applied by various mods similar to other rpgs. Burn, shock, poison, etc.
Jonathan, interesting historical note: the old M-16A1 rifles, when first introduced to the Vietnam conflict, had straight 20-rd magazines. I have seen combat footage of a platoon fighting VC soldiers in the jungle and one soldier would hold down the mag release button and flick the rifle. The magazine flew straight out. I haven't seen them do it with later versions because they upgraded it to 30-round curved magazines. I tried this with an AR knockoff and couldn't do it. I don't know if it's caused by the now-common use of polymer as it tends to be a bit "sticky" when you try to remove it. I honestly am not sure if you can flick the 30-round mag out if it was the old metal version.
The canonical reason you replace the revolver cylinder is that it is a trap product like a printer, the gun is super cheap but cylinders cost a ton of money and can't be reloaded without modification that is illegal
@1:00
“It’s very hard to make a shotgun look sci-fi.”
Kel Tec says hello lol.
Pancor gives a casual wave
Dude, this is the most wholesome breakdown of firearms I have ever seen. Please have Jonathan on more! I'd love to see him tackle Perfect Dark or Destiny just to see where inspirations come from.
Perfect Dark my goodness, what a game that was, still is.
Hunt: Showdown, please.
The attention to detail there is amazing!
Yessir
Laughs in Avtomat lol
I would seriously like to hear what he thinks about that humongous gun
@@LaTanaDiKosky that one is basically a real gun, its just not a mosin
"You cannot sever a limb with a firearm."
.50 BMG called, he wants to discuss something with you, sir.
Jonathan is definitely one of the best firearm experts when it comes to these VG analysis videos on the web, by far.
As a firearm fan, and engineer, on top of playing a fair amount of video games, I always appreciate his take and insight. Well done all!
"Modern day firearms expert reacts to fictional future weapons"
Wow this is great
I told you GameSpot, you keep getting Ferguson on, I'll keep watching.
"And I imagine there is a choice of buckshot, slug, different ammunition"
I fucking wish this game was that in depth...
There actually is but you have to invest into crafting skill tree which is probably the most useless out of them all.
@@gombar325 the strongest weapons and armor ingame are iconic ones which you need to upgrade to legendary tho. I always invest 18 point on crafting in my 2 playthrough
@@brianr.6376 I started to invest points into crafting now but I still find other skill trees so much better.
@@gombar325 other skill tree is more fun, not necessarily more useful. When money glitches is fixed, crafting will be godsend. But i am interested in doing cold blood + mantis blade build, seems fun.
@@brianr.6376 I have no idea what the money glitches do or how they do it, but i must say reflex with guns/swords or full netrunning builds sounded more fun than crafting even on paper just reading out the perks on my first playthrough.
This was awesome!! hopefully you guys do a part 2, there are a lot of other cool guns in cyberpunk, specifically some dope snipers and LMGs I like to use!
i want to see his reaction to the insanity that is ultrakill
11:10 Using the UMP to make a Neo and John Wick reference. Nice.
I've generally been impressed with the weapon details in this game and how feasible they are (compared to say, Borderlands) - but now I can't un-see that the charging handle for the UMP-like gun locks down - not up like the real one - which means you'd have to slap in an upward motion to release it - not down. The animation doesn't physically work.
@@dhoffnun yeah.. -_________-
Would be interesting to hear his opinion on Johnnys technique
I see Jonathan Ferguson, I click. It's as simple as that
btw the lexington (first gun, the machine pistol) is stated in game to fire .45 ACP
I noticed there is a Mateba MTR-8 on the table in the background. A shame we didn't get to see that up close, seen them before but I always enjoy seeing them whenever I can. There are only ten MTR-8 autorevolvers that exist in the US, so it's always fun to see them. There is an obvious copy of the autorevolver in Cyberpunk, and I personally would have liked to have seen it discussed.
I was hoping to hear tour opinion on the slaught-o-matic disposable gun from cyberpunk. It’s more of a curiosity than a viable combat option in game, but an interesting concept.
This entire video I was just staring at that first pattern fg42 hoping he’d pull it up for a closer look
I'm disappointed you guys didn't include the Malorian. It's such an interresting firearm.
I can appreciate that this is a guy who's an expert on guns, can notice and acknowledge inaccuracies, but still isn't afraid to say "This makes no god damn sense but it does look cool"
5:00 love that one
Can we talk for a second about how he just offhandedly mentioned the steerable under barrel missile prototype and did not elaborate
He said it hasnt really gone anywhere yet so theres not much to elaborate on
Almost looked like he was mentally checking if he was violating any NDAs or revealing something he shouldn't for a second.
@@BulletSponge178 nah unless he worked on long ago its unlikely a guy that works for a museum would know anything secret. Its likely he looks at publicity avaliable stuff like the steerable 50 cal from darpa. Darpa puts a lot of stuff online in the form of submission requests I belive a lot of it is publicly searchable.
@@GalironRunner Dude. This guy's plugged in with contemporary weapons. He's not a curator of dusty Brownings and muskets. If he doesn't have direct military experience, he knows people in the branches and has a wealth of contacts and information that we simply do not have access to. There's a lot less knowledgeable hobbyists in the UK, since you really can't be as a private citizen. Over there, if someone knows their guns, they're likely military and/or plugged in with those in active duty.
I remember first seeing the “Wick flick” in cod ghosts with the honey badger
Its rather old, I would say 2008-2009. But I forget the sources that made it start circulating as a 'tacticool' reload technique. It was around that time when people still thought throwing as many attachments on a gun as possible was better than just the few necessities.
They should have shown Skippy just for the laughs.
I love when experts break down movies and video games but this guy gets extra points to acknowledging that it is a video game and the artists got creative with designs.
You know, I kinda like that the Shigure has references to Neo and John Wick in the slap and magazine flick. I mean, Keanu Reeves - sorry, 'Johnny Silverhand' plays such a big part of the story, I like to think the developers threw that in as a little nod to him.
The HK slap has a great intimidation factor. :)
Even knowing the (A)G3 we used in the Norwegian army was empty, the sound of one or several soldiers slapping the leaver down certainly gets your attention.
This is also the entire appeal of using a pump shotgun over something less fiddly for home defense.
I was curious how he would react to the “Widowmaker” with the circular bullet spread.
And lizzy
@@jamiepaulduncan That thing is like a spray-can full of bullets
I certainly did want to see that interesting historical firearm. Thank you!
he knows game philosphy too which is why i like watching these videos even more. he understands the value of balance in gaming, like how the RT-35 BURYR has a slow reload but to offer the fun factor of the challenge to reload at the right time. most chill firerarms expert imo.
Love your content Jonathan, thank you for it! I wish more museum's did this kind of stuff!
My friends and I call it "beefbagging" when a limb gets shotgunned or blown off because it looks like a half empty bag of ground beef that the cat tore into. Your limb is now a beefbag.
What the
I would watch hours of this guy talking about firearms and history.
I love how Keanu Reaves made two gun flourishes. The balled fist HK slap, and the wick flick.
Made two gun flourishes and they added both into the game he’s costarring in
This dude even knows about the original Cyberpunk pen & paper boardgame.
This is the type of experts I hope we get more of. They judge realism but also take game design into account
6:25
kinda reminds me of th cx4 storm, but with the magazine in front of the trigger.