this has nothing to do with technique. the wrestler isnt guna just let you punch him square on the chin. he can absorb a punch or two. thats enough time to bring you down.
@@soramirez5473well the whole point of wrestling is get close as soon as he goes for wrist control sock that fucker in the face trust me. they have to get close keep distance and then when they strike punch. trust they aren’t used to it it messes there technique up to.
@@Norrr3 well Tyson himself has been punched in the face and it HASNT derailed HIS plan so that makes no sense.. really its those that have NEVER BEEN PUNCHED that react like that. . lets get real and PRETEND that we have ACTUALLY been in a fight. grappling will always beat a striker unless the striker gets LUCKY punch.. and who is mike tython
I'm a life-long (25 years) mixed-martial artist (Kyokushin, Grappling/Wrestling, and Judo), I agree with him 100%. Even though I can fight with an elite striker, once I get a single/double leg takedown, he is mine to finish. Most strikers don't know how to defend or evade once they are tackled/grabbed.
I find boxers abit delusional. They seem to think because they can box they can win any fight. I've proven time and time again that a wrestler with submission experience will totally dominate and submit a boxer within 30 seconds. Also a full suplex onto a concrete floor would be a life changing experience for a boxer.
Yeah just like wrestlers have never tasted how a punch, elbow or knee feels on the face. A higher level boxer will beat a low level wrestler and a high level wrestler will beat a boxer. It will be close when both are elite. + The wrestler can only wrestle if he is to even catch a boxer who train for distance management and range control. It would be huge advantage for the wrestler if the fight occurs in a congested setting with not much room to move around. It would rather be better to have the technique to land ko shots rather than wrestle on the streets as street fights are never going to be one on one. (And yes the ability to run away too be beneficial)
have you ever seen someone who has no experience getting taken off their feet react? They are extremely uncomfortable and ALL of their technique is GONE.
I had 1 world champion and one british and commonwealth champion at the gym i trained at when i was younger. I have been in sparring with both and i can categorically say that an untrained boxer will not lay a hand on them, never mind grab them two handed around the waist. They were like whackamole. They would have hit you 3 times and left their position before you had even thought about lunging for their legs.
True. But I will add this is only if they know each other and what the other is capable of. If the wrestler does not know the guy is a boxer, he could be in trouble. And a lot of boxers don’t look physically opposing… Case in point: Andre Ward…. Tyrone Woodley could dump Ward on his head. But what if Woodley did know Ward and that he was world champ and gold medalist in the Olympics for boxing?? He would come forward and swing on him… Woodley said years ago he wanted box Ward. Long before the Paul fight.. lol
I talked to my state champ wrestling buddy Kenny a few months back, and he admitted I'd beat him. Wrestlers lean forward though, and that's a no in fighting. It's an easy target to get knocked out
@MOABSelfDefense isn't there a way to punch a wrestler when they do their takedown, because they do tend to leave their head exposed when doing it. Not to mention, their side torsos are also exposed to strikes as they try to duck underneath and grab you.
@TimStout can it be possible to punch the wrestler as they take us down? Because they may have leverage over the boxer, but the boxer can still move their upper body to link in a punch to the side of their torso or hammer fist the back of the wrestlers head. Is that possible?
@@WaLor-ld3wg it can be. Until you have tried it with a wrestler you feel as if it can be done easily. A good wrestler will have you flat in no time. That’s why I spend a lot of time doing BJJ
@@josephesposito3499 i agree and I dont. I think people should work on their weaknesses to be more well rounded. but should also concentrate one what they are naturally good at.
Do you realize that a boxer is not going go by the rules of the sport he doesn't have to strike at the head liver shot and kidney shots and punches to the back of the head can kill
In UFC stats middle weight and up KO and TKO is the winner. Middle weight and down submission is the winner. Not me saying it check the stats at the end of the day pretty close not much difference. Rules play a big part. And matching up fighters. Not sure on PRIDE stats. Sambo champion and one of best ever Fedor won by KO and TKO mostly. Chuck Liddell KO mostly. Rumble Johnson KO mostly
I would agree with most of what you say here besides the best combo would be wrestling + kickboxing or muay thai. Boxing is good but a limited striking art compared to kick boxing or muay thai.
Muay Thai would be the best because in street fights he can headbutt you use his fingers to poke your eyes, elbow a grounded opponent or soccer kick a grounded opponent. A Muay Thai fighter could use a whole bunch of illegal tactics in order to pull off the win
Buh my question is if he is closing the distance why not shoot a jab while stepping back or why not feint to keep him thinking it makes no sense to go for a big shot and second if he gets under u immediately throw elbows in the back of his head instead of punching personally I think it’s all on experience size and iq a lightweight wrestling isn’t going to take a heavyweight down as easily just like a lightweight boxer would not beat a heavyweight wrestler and another thing what are you punching for if you know he is getting close jab his eyes take his vision away second take his breath away third take his mobility if ur a mma guy or Thai guy 💯
Boxer wins 75%. Put a BJJ White Belt against a TKD Black belt. Not fair. What if you put an Aikido 5th Dan Black Belt vs Boxer 6 months? Probably 75% Boxer. However most Aikidoka also know other arts.
This all depends on the scenario. Is the wrestler aware of being step to? Is it in a bar? Nightclub etc…what shoes? What is the flooring like…if they both step to each other posing a boxer can tee off. If the boxer has guard up the wrestler and can drop and shoot then pancake the boxer. Its not an issue if you train both.
@@HexenStar noo he will not, anyone who has trained both understands. I came from muay thai so whilst my movement isn't as good as boxers,us humans move faster forwards then backwards, the striker will not win the fight by dancing away.
@@khvsvxhxjsvsjdjcnf7252 uh a wrestler CAN do submissions. its NOT that hard to pick up once u kNOW how to wrestle. Just like a boxer CAN know how to SPRAWL.. that way he would have some take down defense. Plus a wrestler WILL choke you out. in a REAL match, subs are not allowed but that doesnt mean they CANT do it.
@@khvsvxhxjsvsjdjcnf7252 but a wreslter does choke. and slam. thats enough to end the fight. so really we talking GRAPPLING vs PUNCHING.. which is RIDICULOUS cuz you not even using your feet for kicks.. I mean look at youtube street fights of a guy body slaming another guy on concrete.. I guess you rather that than getting puched huh.
Absolute garbage. If the boxer stands toe to toe, sure the wrestler grabs him but if he works off the back foot and has good footwork, the wrestller isnt getting within 6 feet. I have never wrestled but i have boxed and i can tell you that you arent grabbing a decent boxer around the waist with both hands. Youd be lucky to even touch his body eith one hand.
Judo is an eastern Martial Art. Pretty effective. Especially for self defense. You don't think Khabib is using Judo? I think Karate works in MMA and Self Defense but it is often taught for a long term focus. Karate actually mixes too many styles and tools so you learn quantity of techniques instead of getting really good at just a few. Kenpo can be effective but it really goes for quantity over actually understanding and mastery with little full speed drilling.
Every person is different. Many people have never been punched in the face.
this has nothing to do with technique. the wrestler isnt guna just let you punch him square on the chin. he can absorb a punch or two. thats enough time to bring you down.
@@soramirez5473well the whole point of wrestling is get close as soon as he goes for wrist control sock that fucker in the face trust me. they have to get close keep distance and then when they strike punch. trust they aren’t used to it it messes there technique up to.
@@soramirez5473lmao. “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.” - mike Tyson
@@Norrr3 well Tyson himself has been punched in the face and it HASNT derailed HIS plan so that makes no sense.. really its those that have NEVER BEEN PUNCHED that react like that. . lets get real and PRETEND that we have ACTUALLY been in a fight. grappling will always beat a striker unless the striker gets LUCKY punch..
and who is mike tython
@@Norrr3Tyson would lose against any experimented grappler even at his prime, just to know to punch will not save you
I'm a life-long (25 years) mixed-martial artist (Kyokushin, Grappling/Wrestling, and Judo), I agree with him 100%. Even though I can fight with an elite striker, once I get a single/double leg takedown, he is mine to finish. Most strikers don't know how to defend or evade once they are tackled/grabbed.
Judo and wrestling is great mix.
I’m a boxer. But this is true
I started out boxing. Hard truth
@@MOABSelfDefense wrestling, bjj or jiu jitsu. What should one learn after boxing?
@@How-ix3ds wrestling or BJJ. Regular jj is garbage
@@MOABSelfDefense jj is bjj except with takedowns.
@@abdurrahmanqureshi3030 no. Jj is more traditional karate style Bjj is legit grappling.
I find boxers abit delusional. They seem to think because they can box they can win any fight. I've proven time and time again that a wrestler with submission experience will totally dominate and submit a boxer within 30 seconds. Also a full suplex onto a concrete floor would be a life changing experience for a boxer.
Yeah just like wrestlers have never tasted how a punch, elbow or knee feels on the face. A higher level boxer will beat a low level wrestler and a high level wrestler will beat a boxer. It will be close when both are elite. + The wrestler can only wrestle if he is to even catch a boxer who train for distance management and range control. It would be huge advantage for the wrestler if the fight occurs in a congested setting with not much room to move around. It would rather be better to have the technique to land ko shots rather than wrestle on the streets as street fights are never going to be one on one. (And yes the ability to run away too be beneficial)
It all depends....MMA fight, Wrestlers win most of the time....Street fight, I would say 50/50.....It all boils down to the fighter.
one on one, wrestler still has advantage. no weopans of course.
Mma has evolved a lot just look at the champs.
Id the wrestler knows to submit, boxer has no chance
At 45, Jack Dempsey fought a pro wrestler named Cowboy something or other. Jack played with him for while, then put him down.
When You See Someone With Broken Ears and Nose Don't Fight with Him
have you ever seen someone who has no experience getting taken off their feet react? They are extremely uncomfortable and ALL of their technique is GONE.
I had 1 world champion and one british and commonwealth champion at the gym i trained at when i was younger. I have been in sparring with both and i can categorically say that an untrained boxer will not lay a hand on them, never mind grab them two handed around the waist. They were like whackamole. They would have hit you 3 times and left their position before you had even thought about lunging for their legs.
True. But I will add this is only if they know each other and what the other is capable of. If the wrestler does not know the guy is a boxer, he could be in trouble. And a lot of boxers don’t look physically opposing… Case in point: Andre Ward…. Tyrone Woodley could dump Ward on his head. But what if Woodley did know Ward and that he was world champ and gold medalist in the Olympics for boxing?? He would come forward and swing on him… Woodley said years ago he wanted box Ward. Long before the Paul fight.. lol
I talked to my state champ wrestling buddy Kenny a few months back, and he admitted I'd beat him. Wrestlers lean forward though, and that's a no in fighting. It's an easy target to get knocked out
A fast boxer throwing straight punches and moving forward and working him back is dangerous though
Great answer 👍
MAY NOT BE THE POPULAR ANSWER BUT ITS THE TRUTH
@MOABSelfDefense isn't there a way to punch a wrestler when they do their takedown, because they do tend to leave their head exposed when doing it. Not to mention, their side torsos are also exposed to strikes as they try to duck underneath and grab you.
@@WaLor-ld3wg they are but timing has to be impeccable. That’s why there is a 5% chance for the boxer
@TimStout can it be possible to punch the wrestler as they take us down? Because they may have leverage over the boxer, but the boxer can still move their upper body to link in a punch to the side of their torso or hammer fist the back of the wrestlers head. Is that possible?
@@WaLor-ld3wg it can be. Until you have tried it with a wrestler you feel as if it can be done easily. A good wrestler will have you flat in no time. That’s why I spend a lot of time doing BJJ
If the boxer is fighting a wrestler We’re going to stick and move not stand in reaching distance. Look at Clarissa shields fighting mma fighters
they were valid points!
Like someone is going to stand straight up like that
Doesnt matter
this boul is speaking facts not gone lie!!
DON'T agree with your conclusion. FACT is it all depends on the individual.
no. if you have no take down defense, then you have oNLY a punchers chance... which means a lucky KO> .
@@soramirez5473I agree you need both. I just think it's whatever the individual excels at.
@@josephesposito3499 i agree and I dont. I think people should work on their weaknesses to be more well rounded. but should also concentrate one what they are naturally good at.
@@soramirez5473 OK, fair enough. I do think this boxer is mediocre he's tuff but not that good
Do you realize that a boxer is not going go by the rules of the sport he doesn't have to strike at the head liver shot and kidney shots and punches to the back of the head can kill
In UFC stats middle weight and up KO and TKO is the winner. Middle weight and down submission is the winner. Not me saying it check the stats at the end of the day pretty close not much difference. Rules play a big part. And matching up fighters. Not sure on PRIDE stats. Sambo champion and one of best ever Fedor won by KO and TKO mostly. Chuck Liddell KO mostly. Rumble Johnson KO mostly
Yes thats True 💪🥊🔥
It is also true that they were able to remain in a position to land KO strikes because they were skilled grapplers. But
I would agree with most of what you say here besides the best combo would be wrestling + kickboxing or muay thai. Boxing is good but a limited striking art compared to kick boxing or muay thai.
Muay Thai would be the best because in street fights he can headbutt you use his fingers to poke your eyes, elbow a grounded opponent or soccer kick a grounded opponent. A Muay Thai fighter could use a whole bunch of illegal tactics in order to pull off the win
Grappling sucks with multiple opponent
Buh my question is if he is closing the distance why not shoot a jab while stepping back or why not feint to keep him thinking it makes no sense to go for a big shot and second if he gets under u immediately throw elbows in the back of his head instead of punching personally I think it’s all on experience size and iq a lightweight wrestling isn’t going to take a heavyweight down as easily just like a lightweight boxer would not beat a heavyweight wrestler and another thing what are you punching for if you know he is getting close jab his eyes take his vision away second take his breath away third take his mobility if ur a mma guy or Thai guy 💯
Wrestlers, they just have far more options than a boxer beyond punches
What if the boxer is REALLY GOOD and the wrestler just kinda good ???
Boxer wins 75%. Put a BJJ White Belt against a TKD Black belt. Not fair. What if you put an Aikido 5th Dan Black Belt vs Boxer 6 months? Probably 75% Boxer. However most Aikidoka also know other arts.
This all depends on the scenario. Is the wrestler aware of being step to? Is it in a bar? Nightclub etc…what shoes? What is the flooring like…if they both step to each other posing a boxer can tee off. If the boxer has guard up the wrestler and can drop and shoot then pancake the boxer. Its not an issue if you train both.
Its not about the skill of boxers, its the lack off takedown defence.
@@grappling.enthusiast A fast boxer with good footwork
can be untouchable, unless the wrestler is equally as fast.
@@HexenStar noo he will not, anyone who has trained both understands. I came from muay thai so whilst my movement isn't as good as boxers,us humans move faster forwards then backwards, the striker will not win the fight by dancing away.
Only time a boxer wins is if the wrestler is caught off guard , a hook to the chin puts them out . Wrestlers will win 8/10 times tho .
I think now a grappler wins a boxer.
A boxer has no fucking chance in front of a grappler believe me, if he misses the KO its over for him, impossible to defend
Learn both
You keep saying “wrestler wants to take him down”. Why? Ground and pound?
choke out. wrestlers can do submission holds.
@@soramirez5473 no. That’s BJJ. Not really wrestling. Unless you mean catch wrestling.
@@khvsvxhxjsvsjdjcnf7252 uh a wrestler CAN do submissions. its NOT that hard to pick up once u kNOW how to wrestle. Just like a boxer CAN know how to SPRAWL.. that way he would have some take down defense. Plus a wrestler WILL choke you out. in a REAL match, subs are not allowed but that doesnt mean they CANT do it.
@@soramirez5473 ok but then it’s not “boxer vs wrestler” anymore. You’ve just changed it into “MMA fighter vs MMA fighter”.
@@khvsvxhxjsvsjdjcnf7252 but a wreslter does choke. and slam. thats enough to end the fight. so really we talking GRAPPLING vs PUNCHING.. which is RIDICULOUS cuz you not even using your feet for kicks.. I mean look at youtube street fights of a guy body slaming another guy on concrete.. I guess you rather that than getting puched huh.
Absolute garbage. If the boxer stands toe to toe, sure the wrestler grabs him but if he works off the back foot and has good footwork, the wrestller isnt getting within 6 feet. I have never wrestled but i have boxed and i can tell you that you arent grabbing a decent boxer around the waist with both hands. Youd be lucky to even touch his body eith one hand.
Ugh better not get a boxer with fast hands and feet. Because you're not getting him ground idc how much bjj fantasy you have.
lol ridiculous. boxers are extremely one dimensional
@@soramirez5473 not this boxer
@@Jupiterxice well then you are not JUST a boxer then.. thanx for agreeing.
@@soramirez5473 you must never been around a real boxer thanks for proven the point.
@@Jupiterxice a REAL boxer? ONLY uses his hands.. like I said.. EXTREMELY limited.. EXTREMELY..
Boxers.got.great foot.work would.upper cut him.simpel.boxers will.win. wreselers are good muthay is good.too
Bias
Western Boxing + Wrestling FTW. Traditional eastern martial arts are not in the same league
Judo is an eastern Martial Art. Pretty effective. Especially for self defense. You don't think Khabib is using Judo? I think Karate works in MMA and Self Defense but it is often taught for a long term focus. Karate actually mixes too many styles and tools so you learn quantity of techniques instead of getting really good at just a few. Kenpo can be effective but it really goes for quantity over actually understanding and mastery with little full speed drilling.
@@ValleyDragon I'll second that. Seidokaikan karate.
So boxing is useless thnx
Nuh uh. Do it
Define “win”