A Hindu from Fiji said they were indentured servants there too and prospered after awhile. He said the native Fijians resented them because they lived their whole lives in huts but Indians had houses.
Some of the Fijians are very pleasant people now, but the Indians are generally far more diligent in work. It's the same around the world. Those who enjoy relaxing and not doing much work or study resent the ones who have nicer things because they sacrifice their "free" time to work and work.
Rubbish ,I was in the British Army and served with indigenous Fijians .The majority of Indians did not have respect for the natives and they Fijians were becoming second class citizens in their own country .
@@cargopilot747 diligent? Wtf? They Have to Constantly work, so they Own kind Don't Shove them under! They Never Stop Diligently Quarrelling with relatives either.
The Fiji natives killed of almost all people of Indian origins in a prolonged systemic genocide duri 1980s and 1990s. Almost all fled if they could, but the poor were killed.
Hindu Indian mindset is to make the next generation better than themselves. They work hard & save for the betterment of their families as shown everywhere they gone. Greed & envy does not lead to betterment only ruin for all.
@@calc1657Sure, and it's on a steeply rising trajectory. State socialism kept Indians poor. The Hindu conservatives greatly accelerated the Indian economy. The growth rate is solid.
Fascinating video! In Kenya we have Indians who were originally brought by the British to build the railroad. I grew up in a neighborhood of Nairobi that had a lot of Indian Kenyans (mostly Punjabis and Goans but there were others like Patels and Gujaratis). As kids we played together on the street. But our parents never socialized together. When I visited Kenya, 10 years ago, I was pleasantly surprised to see some Indians of my age drinking beer in African stores. But also, many of them had migrated to Western countries.
It is also noteworthy to note black racist attitudes against West Indians, Mestizos in other areas of Honduras, Dominican Republic and Jamaica with whites.
Oh Yankee Murican Afrocentrism cultist racist bigots loathe Puerto Ricans with a vengeance because we are the end result of what they hate the most same as their Yatzee Germany predecessors race mixing.
But they have a caste system that prevents them from progressing. Indians can thrive when they live overseas and they don't have the caste system that prevents them from progress but in India they are a hot mess. What I noticed is that Indians can adapt with other cultures quickly. When they are mixed with other races they can thrive but among themselves they became toxic.
Even in Mauritius the same thing can be observed, where many Blacks are racists towards Indo origin Mauritians and towards India. But those hypocrites will still go to India for medical treatments, education, business etc.... .
@@jabaltariq4606 because the location of the island 🏝 is in africa South Africa 🇿🇦 has a large Indian population outside India 🇮🇳 that doesn’t mean anything
The "indians" in Trinidad do NOT despise the descendants of Africans for not being Indian, i don't know whose idea that is. There is friction because there are different social tendencies.
I’m here because I’m a black American and my supervisor is Indio Trinidadian and he is the most racist ppl I’ve ever met. He actually had complaints against from me and others but because upper management is lazy they only write him up and a few months later he’s back to telling a black employee, her kind isn’t allowed in his town, they keep her kind out. Or telling me I have a ghetto accent because of the neighborhood I’m from, dude I’m from Media, Pa, look up the town so you can see how ghetto it is. I did research and found out it’s quite common for Indio Indians to have anti black mentality.
My family is from the Caribbean .My grandmother was Indian and grandpa of African descent . Racial tensions have existed between some individuals but it’s not a wide spread or deeply rooted issue the way it is in America . Race is not an issue for the majority of people .blacks and Indians get along for the most part and many families are mixed . Although I agree with some his pointed. Videos like this can sometimes over state the case
@@mangopudding5979 So you admit that it’s common for one gender. And that it exist in general. That doesn’t change my point. Also, I was talking about the Caribbean in general.Not just Trinidad ..
Im from sweden and my godmother is indotrini. Her parents came from india but She hasnt told me much detail about it. My godmother is the best woman in the whole world. So much love and happiness and wisdom to share. I always wanted to go to trinidad and tobago with her and she’s going back this winter so im really hoping i can save up to go with her 🥹
Nope, at least not in 2023,because Africans in Kenya have their own numerous businesses and there's a growing black middle class, hence no reason for any envy or tension towards Indians, Indian influence has eroded significantly since the early 2000s , no one sees the Indians as a threat anymore
0.3% of Kenya population is imdians. While, 36% of Trinidad population is east Indian. 42 thousand Kenyan Indian. While 450 thousand east Indian are Trinidadian.
A group of US sociologists recently studied Trinidad and noted the antagonism between the two groups, each thinking the other held the upper hand. From their research the two groups were quite even, in all aspects.
How do you expect slaves and indentured servants to get along? One group is going to see themselves as being above and better than the other. How long did it take before the slaves received any formal education? I lived on a street with Indians, Chinese, and Syrians, but I cannot tell you one thing about any of them. We were respectful to each other, but that is as far as it went. There was long-standing animosity among all of us.
As a black man, biracial half east indian, half black and having strong roots there i have to say there is some truth in his words. East indians because of their culturing...a focus on family, strong work ethic & having endured much abuse by those who came to trinidad before them, they persevered and have prospered. The africans chinese portugese & even syrians were here before them (according to U.W.I prof Bridgette Berrington), forgive me if i have mis-spelt her name. They were somewhat charged wt being responsible for the first stock exchange & not having much vices they stored their gold & monies in the banks regularly....everything was put behind their children & of extreme importance (and still is) to build & pass on generational wealth. Whilst the Africans dominated the gov't service, they focused on self development, owning businesses, which would ultimately grow, creating upward social mobility... Culturally status is very important, and thus certain fields were the targets for their children...
In my country, the British imported thousands from India to work on plantations, but also thousands of educated Indians to take over all the lower lever civil service jobs in the bureaucracy. Despite originating from the same country and being brought over by the colonial masters, the 2 groups had very different trajectories after independence. Till today Indians are among the poorest, but also among the richest here. Wonder if this is similar to what happened in Trinidad
The thing about Thomas is that he disregards his person identity and thinks 100% objectively. What I mean by that is, some people of one race influence all their thoughts and logic to benefit their race. But not Thomas. He just looks at the facts, no matter who it offends or helps, he cares only for the truth. But more than that, he has an encyclodpedic knowledge of history which makes his conclusions irrefutable. More than any athlete or rapper, the black community should celebrate Thomas Sowell as their brightest star and role model.
Interesting but to use Naipaul as a reference introduces inaccuracies. Indians and Africans in the country generally get along. Naipaul s observations were made in the late 1950s/early 1960s when the social ambience was somewhat different. A lot has changed since then
I love Mr Sowell's writings and was pleasantly surprised of this excerpt. Another of his book to add to my wishlist. However I would've loved to hear a bit more from this excerpt which would have provided us with other literary viewpoints from both sides which I am almost certain his research would've provided. Can say though that the tension spoken of has never been civil war levels like the US is facing today, if not for Politics these 'tensions' would have been less apparent. Sigh, guess I'd have to wait to purchase his book then 😅
They are having a better life in South Africa than in India .I remember a couple of years ago they done a survey and said if you had to leave South Africa what country will you go to ,only 2 percent replied India .
How comes most of the Indians who are leaving are either going to Canada ,USA and Australia and India are giving them visa free access via the Indian origin scheme ,they are having a better life in South Africa.
@@fjtpersian6566 India is rising at a rapid rate, very soon China and India will dominate this world, Indians will have the best lives in India and no other countries.
There's always been alot of tension between the black and indian community, there's also alot tension between the black and white community, and the black and latino community, and the black and asian community, and the black and jewish community, and the black and black community. You'd think somebody'd figure out some common denominator or causal factor causing all these groups to be bigotted towards blacks. clearly all these racial groups that generally don't have violent friction with each other have it out for the blacks.
Actually in NYC the Blacks and the Latinos gets along very well especially because Blacks and Latinos live in the ghettos together and do the same criminal actions.
I did know a Trinidadian couple where the husband was of Indian heritage and the wife black. Their marriage didn't work out. Mostly because he was sober (recovering alcoholic) and she continued to drink.
This phenomenon is very common in nearly most former British colony due to British's 'Divide & Rule' policy. To prevent native population to be prosper and powerful enough to harm their colonial administration, British would bring 'foreign' staff/administrator from other colony like India etc and Chinese as labourer/miner to help them manage the country and grew the economy. The natives would be continue to work in agricultural/menial job in rural areas while newcomers will live in the cities. After 2-3 generations and later Independence from British rule (WW2), these newly-created free nations had to figure out themselves how to 'correct' the socio-political-economic imbalance that caused by colonial policies that detrimental to the cohesiveness and stability of a multi-ethnic,multi-cultural societies
It is noteworthy that there is no significant oppression narrative concerning Indians in North and South America. It is rather remarkable that they are not great fodder for those who make political moolah from oppression politics. Well done on them. As Sowell says, Indians are politically apathetic, internally divided and generally not given to state largesse. Outside India. Sad that in India, they are so beholden to state largesse that they have perpetuated their poverty. Indians in India and Indians outside India are a case study in the effect of socialism on people.
I am forever grateful to the Indo-Trinidadian community because my first "experience" was with a gorgeous female Indo-Trinidadian high school classmate, and this was in Texas!
This isn't even remotely, currently true. In the caribbean the only people trying to foster racism are americans and people from the UK. Black and Indians in the caribbean live, work, play and intermarry. This isnt 150 years ago.
EXACTLY I’m literally the product of an INDIAN man marrying and having kids with a AFRICAN woman who both live still in sweet T&T my paternal grandparents
Just to contradict some Trinis here: 1) Racism is not of the past. Its covert now. People, BOTH SIDES, are still prejudiced but a bit more tolerant. This was a case for a while now though. I believe these ideas of us being highky divided are way more exaggerated than the actual case. 2) Intermixing has always been a thing. Both the black and Indian community have a tendency to hate it for ethnocultural reasons. Has intermixing risen though?? There is no data for that. Census data is outdated but it is possible. Also, controversially I'd say that there is a lot of FETISHISM in that intermixing. Black men tend to fetishize Indian women, which is why most relationships are that specific combination. I was doing actual research on this on local and larger forums, and I was actually surprised because I thought light skinned black women and Hispanics/Spanish women would have been highly prevalent. They were not, granted they still were respresented compared to dark skinned black women. Check a Trinidadian subreddit, granted you will see revenge p0rn on there as well, again involving Indian females, often not Indian on Indian if its a nasty video. Slurs (c00lie) and conquerence rhetoric is also attached to these posts. I firmly believe that there are men using our women to fight a proxy war as well based on rhetoric like "Another beti falls for the black sword," with beti being used mainly by black men to refer to Indian females. You see this in a lot of their music which again is targeted at Indian women. Let it be noted that black guys being the main ones who love to say "Douglarize the nation" compared to everyone else including black females is quite telling and also weird af. Please analyse that rhetoric. *Note: nothing against organic relationships but they're rare from what I've seen. 3) Racism towards Hindus and Muslims are a huge thing. Hindu temples get vandalized regularly and have been vandalized ever since we've been here and if you're a bearded guy in the wrong area, rastafarians particularly have a thing for slowing down and murderously looking at you. They perceive bearded people, particular Indian people with beards, as Muslims and they don't like them because in their mind, all Muslims are gang members. If you doubt that there is prejudice against Hindus and Muslims, just remember, there are numerous organizations founded by Indian people to fight for Indian Hindu and Muslim rights together and the preservation of Indian culture. TOGETHER. A lot of the people in this comment section who things things have gotten better, are seeing it from their perspective. They fail to realize the negative effects of the past and present on the future of certain communities in the country. 4) There is also a victim mentality amongst black people (Trinis as a whole but mainly black people). One time I heard a person claimed how America was a less prejudiced country because there were more black billionaires, failing to realize that there were local black billionaires in Trinidad, at least in the past. There is also this tendency to refer to themselves as a "minority" when percentage wise, they were up there with Indians in the last couple decades and they were also the sizeable majority in the past and is believed to be the majority now. Again, a census needs to be done to confirm that. Also, there is a high tendency to claim that all Indian people are rich and black people are poor when in certain areas of the country, you'd quicker see a black person driving a luxury vehicle than an Indian. You'd also see Indians who are dirt poor as well. The thing is though, a lot of poor Indians dont live where poor black people live. Poor bkack people live near the city so people tend to see them more. Poor Indian people live in the Southern parts of the country. These are areas that most of the country has never gone by or will ever go by. But ofc, they'd be the first to talk on "Trinidad" Twitter about who is privileged and who is not. This part of the country is also quite underdeveloped btw. Even the members of the ruling party have alluded that you'd have to vote for them to get anything done. But thats a lie because they don't even care about the areas that they always win. Then we factor in that politically, the party that was lead by bkack people and represented mainly black people have lead the country for majority of the country's existence. How some have the audacity to claim how Indian people are the main reason why so many are still poor is beyond me! They're trying to applying American politics and History to Trinidad when it doesn't apply.
It seems to me that Trinidad like the rest of the world is suffering from Americanization, a lot of what you mentioned happens to be American rhetoric that has been adapted by West Indians et al. Do you mind if we correspond on this topic?
Lol, from where did you get this nons ense and lies. Indian women don't even look at Bla ck men in the Caribbeans or Trinidad. Indian women almost all the time prefer, date and marry their own Indian men in the Caribbeans or Trinidad. Indian men dating bla ck women on the other hand is quite common in the Caribbeans or Trinidad. Bla ck men in Trinidad don't fetishize Indian women, even if they do Indian women don't date bla ck men. There is hardly any intermixing between bla cks and Indians in Trinidad, Indians considering bla cks as not equal is one of the reasons behind it. You are a bla ck man who wants others to believe that Indian women in the Caribbeans or Trinidad date/marry bla ck men, you want to portray how "good" bla ck men are. When the reality is the exact opposite. Indian women in the Caribbeans or Trinidad very rarely date/marry bla ck men.
@@BlackHeartMan_NoSoulafter living in Sangre Grande for a few months, I nicknamed the area "Dohglaville" 🤣. It's a nice area. Nothing beats Arima tho.
Have the differences between the two groups been settled? There's a growing mixed race population (part black and part Indian) in both Trinidad & Tobago and Guyana.
There was no real race war or intense tension in T&T to the point of bloodshed. Ever. This Video only put out a small snippet of Mr. Sowell's already biased narrative.
May 20 years ago!! Every child born now is either a dougla or some vene mix up with afro or indo trini!! In 10 -20 everybody on trinidad will be mixed except the chinese and syrians!!
@@SexyBeautifulBabe This is not true, Indian Muslims marry black , and indians in rural communities tend to be with anyone however strict indian areas, there is no intermarrying
Folks this story is very familar to the Guyanese population especially during the burnam dictatorship of the late 60's and 70's and some of the 80's but is was also evident in Suriname and Trinidad and Tobago.
Tensions amongst Indians and Blacks happen in Guyana, Suriname, Fiji as well. Indian populations tend to grow faster and gradually take control of the resources and governance of the country.
Until people confront Britain's role in all of the perfidy over the last 300 years, they will have no idea what is really going on. Thank you Lyndon LaRouche.
The British divide and rule strategy was-in full deployment in this region, and that’s the fact s , and as a Black man from Caribbean , growing up in Jamaica I learned from my history ,that the British brought the Indians, and ,Chinese indenture workers, to the Caribbean ,in order to cut the bargaining power of the newly freed enslaved African people, and to place them as a buffer between, them and the colonial government , the Indians ,they were more willing to accept the status, quo,of the colonial system,that meant they where given , the higher positions,in the colonial administration’s ie the police force and other colonial administration,institutions,over the African ,that have been there , from day one ,that’s the root of the tensions even till now.
Yes, ofc. Muslims are everywhere in my country. In the town that I grew up in, every day you would here the nearby mosque doing the call to prayer. It was always beautiful.
Are west Indians even Hindu? Only Hindus are very thrifty and cohesive out of India like jews, as one of the oldest literate cultures, dont know about African cultures except Egypt. Hinduism is older than all Abrahamic religions combined. We had a group of about 70 in our temple at Delhi, who were recent Isckonite converts from Trinidad visiting India, they all claimed to had been forcibly christianized by the blacks, but eager to accept their roots, we Hindus were so shocked that they looked so African, like the features and all, not anything bad or good about that, but nothing about them was anything similar to us Hindus at all, genetically or even culturally. In this situation, how does that group claim to have Indian roots was beyond us😅. I was surprised that there were Hindus in some western country, as we dont accept conversion at all until recently. I can only say, we Hindus didnt have any historical experience mostly with blacks, in contrast to Christians or Muslims, so we dont know about your culture. But, all groups ought to live in peace. We have Muslims, Christians here as well, Hindu kings sheltered them and we all live peacefully. They even feed on Hindu money via our Hindu temples, via some regressive british laws which are gonna be changed in the coming years.
Calm down Hindu Superman.... Hindus are also notoriously stingy and move at a snails pace economically.... That's why the United Nations came up with the term "Hindu growth rate" to describe the abysmal state of Indian economy.... They did better since the 90s but I think the Indians have again trapped themselves stratigically.
@@sabtaingopinath9652 There's a reason Hindu American's are the richest community in America You won't know wumao Chinese Americans provided the same opportunities earn only 70% of them
@@sabtaingopinath9652that term was more for the Birth rate and religious growth than anything. It means the growth which happens but is cut short by replacement not filling up the place lost fast enough.
@@meteor541 I think youbare mistaken... "Hindu rate of growth" is a very well known economic term that was used by international economic institutions to describe the slow growth of India... Because India started out ahead of China in 1947 in terms of economy... The Mughals and then the British Raj had left a decent infrastructure in place... But the the Indians started to go back to their old ways and that advantage Indian had over China was lost also. So it's got little to do with birth rate... Its an actual term that you can Google and find out its history.
@@meteor541 The term “Hindu rate of growth" was coined by the late economist Raj Krishna in 1978 to describe India's low rate of economic growth between the 1960s and 1980s, when it averaged around 4%.9 Mar 2023. I copied it pasted it for your knowledge.
As I Kimberly A Sample , will continue to say , when a (Wise-Man) Speaks Truth to Facts you should listen , because Schools in ,not out , Slaves came in different colors , the preparation , for Reparations ,hard work it's still. Time to (Face Off) Peacefully. (PODCASTERS) Truth Warriors. Each one Speak to one. Keep on Keeping it Real. A(COUNTRY) to Save. Along with the Children. Let's get to Work ! ON OUR MOVEMENT FOR IMPROVEMENT. Because All Lives Matter !
Actually the East Indians in Trinidad and Guyana are very different from the East Indians in India because the East Indians from Trinidad and Guyana adapted to more to the Black style especially music and the accent is very Caribbean which is very different from the Indians from India.
@@suckit0069 Santa Rosa is not indigenous,that's Latin Europe Arima is an indigenous name And the indigenous peoples are literally killed of , enslaved etc in the name of Jesus and the Pope You speak of a handful of these people They faced a genocide by the European Christians
Indians wherever they go they are always one of the most successful people and law abiding compared to others. You won't see indians in mass criminal gangs rioting. Name in any Western European USA Australia anywhere. Caste system only exist in india due to politics and votebank while in west it's miniscule like any other community. Other communities also have their social hierarchy system if not caste system but discrimination is similar
There are Indian gangs in Canada and Malaysia. It depends upon their class background. Middle Clas Indians do not commit petty and dangerous crime, they are more into White collar crime. Most of the immigrants to the West are Middle Class background. Lower class Indians are more crime prone but not that much into violent crimes compared to other populations.
There are Indian gangs in my country (Trinidad and Tobago) and one of the biggest pirates in history in the 20th century of the Caribbean was an Indian. Also, Indians in my country are better off than blacks on average but compared to other groups in my country (whites, Syrian/Lebanese, Chinese), they are closer to us economically than them.
@friendlyatheist9589 Excuse you? I'm an Indian-American myself and I think it's *vile* that you categorize every black person (billions of people you haven't even met) as a "mass criminal gang": That's close-minded, inaccurate, and it completely shits all over the many more black individuals who work just as hard--if not harder than--the richest Indian-Americans in the country (hell, at my summer medical job, my supervisor was a black Caribbean-American lady FOB) and would never dream of being in a "mass criminal gang" And for the record, *no one* is automatically bound to criminality simply because of their racial lines--So you insinuating that "criminal gangs" are only a black thing is inaccurate and problematic AF
My final opinion is, that everywhere were British was a colonized is repetitive the same results, divisions between local natives to their grupos of slaves or worker's they introduce on this regions of the world. To much sadness for humanity.
Trinidad is the 5th wealthiest country in the americas due to oil😂... now watch a walk/drive through video on trinidad and tobago. Trinidad shouldnt look like that..😂
Indigenous Fijians were left alone by the British and treated Indians as slaves on the sugar plantations. Their descendants built Fiji and the resentment from Indigenous military decided to engage in genocide and apartheid. Their land was stolen. The day the plan to have a coup d'etat was exercises, many innocent Indians were raped and murdered. One young girl had her limbs cut off. Indians still living in Fiji have been beyond forgiving with the Indigenous, and when bigots say Indigenous Fijians were suppressed by Indians...no evidence to that at all just the victim anthem being sung. It was Indians who taught the Indigenous how to prepare Indian food when the Indigenous elders saw they ate unhealthy...immediately Indians helped. After thirty years of Indigenous rule, all you hear in Fiji is about rape and incest among Indigenous Fijians, can't blame that on others now.
There is also tension between black Guyanese and Indian Guyanese, also Barbadians. When we could no blame white people, someone had to be responsible for our failings. Who do you think, that politicians and soft subjects intellectuals blamed? This has been the way if mankind, since time and memoria on this earth.
@@blandingscastle3729 Nah, in the West, it does not work like that. If you support the West, the Western system actually punishes you. No other civilization in the World is so suicidal.
It's very interesting to know about a South Asians that cut off from the mainland because the 🇬🇧 wouldn't return them back home?😅 Sadly, the current 21st century Indian citizenry population. Don't view them as Indians but as Bengali from parents of Bangladesh raised in NJ. u r my cousins r my sibling ethnicity, You are just, A family member who's been missing for a long time. Just like the gypsies, you're no less desi. You're just as me, just. You have a different trajectory In history.
Black Trinidadians? You see they are Creoles right? They are indigenous. You never call indigenous people after their in which they reside. You say Creoles or kalinagoes Amerindians and Taino Arawak . They are a Creole speaking people. They have been colonized in their own land. In Haiti, Dominica, st Lucia, BVI, Bahamas even Barbados and America.
@@mudra5114 The British also stopped the practice of widows committing suicide by jumping onto their deceased husband's funeral pyres. Still, the British were no angels. They just happened to take over an entire civilization that had already perfected the means of stratifying labor and extracting wealth through caste. No need for slavery - all they had to do was tax it. They eventually sucked $43 trillion out of India.
@@diaprojectdiss2142 Also having India as part of the British Empire added to the prestige of the Empire. India was the most important part of the British Empire for reasons of strategic location in global trade networks, force projection in Asia and prestige.
@@mudra5114 India’s share of world income shrank from 22.6% in 1700-almost equal to Europe’s share of 23.3%-to 2.8% in 1945 The ,"Brightest jewel in the British Crown" was the poorest country in the world in terms of per capita income at the beginning of the 20th century. Since Independence, the average Indian's income has increased to about 37 times than that at Independence ! Infant mortality rate reduces 97% from Independence ! The percent of people living below poverty line ( less than 2 $/ day now) ( PPP) has decreased from 84% (1945) to just 5.4% today ! India has lifted 715 million people out of poverty in last 60 years !
@@thebestevertherewas Firstly it is impossible to measure the total GDP of a country as percentage of the World economy before 1815, as there is a lot of economic data missing. For example, what was the GDP of Africa in 1700 AD, impossible to know because of lack of written records, so without African GDP, it is impossible to measure global GDP and only then can you measure percentage. However we have some good data on GDP/ capita and already in 1600 AD, Britain had twice the GDP per capita of India, before the East India Company even landed in India. Already by then Indian wages on the silver standard was only 20 percent that of England in those days as per the calculations of Broadberry and Gupta. India was poorest in per capita income in beginning of 20th century??? India was already full of extreme poverty before the British conquered India as attested by numerous travellers. Also as far as India's GDP per capita had grown after 1947, the entire World saw massive rise in GDP per capita after WW2. Actually Indian subcontinent has become poorer relative to the UK, after 1947. Before 1947, during British Empire, the average British wage was nearly 6 times average Indian wage. Now the average British wage is 20 times average Indian wage. This after Britain was totally bankrupt after WW2, after fighting the powerful German and Japanese war machines!!! Britain was paying back WW2 loans to the USA till the 1990s, yet the British economy boomed after giving India Independence.
@@ashwinvk4124 Still is effect in it's class sense. Just because no one is called a Shudra or Brahmin does not mean that the sentiment and general class division is still apart of India today.
Indians don't inavde and colonise and don't force thier religion and culture on the natives as the British did. The British inavded and colonised many nations, wiped out the natives so they became a minority and forcefully converted the remaining to Christianity and took thier land and resources and treated them like slaves. Indians came as labourers and worked hard and developed these nations. They didn't care if anyone loved them or hated them and didn't follow thier religion and culture etc. All that mattered to them was that they work hard and become successful and prosperous and thier children had good education etc.
He is no level headed intellectual. Fortunately he did some research on this topic about which he would not know anything. In his native country he's a lapdog for his masters.
We are not no longer a real people. We are the richest people on the island, and the most educated people on the island just look look up 10 richest people in Trinidad.
A Hindu from Fiji said they were indentured servants there too and prospered after awhile. He said the native Fijians resented them because they lived their whole lives in huts but Indians had houses.
Some of the Fijians are very pleasant people now, but the Indians are generally far more diligent in work. It's the same around the world. Those who enjoy relaxing and not doing much work or study resent the ones who have nicer things because they sacrifice their "free" time to work and work.
Rubbish ,I was in the British Army and served with indigenous Fijians .The majority of Indians did not have respect for the natives and they Fijians were becoming second class citizens in their own country .
@@cargopilot747 diligent? Wtf? They Have to Constantly work, so they Own kind Don't Shove them under! They Never Stop Diligently Quarrelling with relatives either.
@@Christine-hr8in Wtf? Part of your reply almost made momentary sense. Both groups work, but one is more diligent and successful in general.
The Fiji natives killed of almost all people of Indian origins in a prolonged systemic genocide duri 1980s and 1990s. Almost all fled if they could, but the poor were killed.
Hindu Indian mindset is to make the next generation better than themselves. They work hard & save for the betterment of their families as shown everywhere they gone.
Greed & envy does not lead to betterment only ruin for all.
Its not just hindu indian bit all indians want to save money for thair future generation
Hindu muslims Christians ! Grow up clown its 2023. You need to move on from your vulgar superstitions !
GDP per capita of India is $2,200
@@calc1657Sure, and it's on a steeply rising trajectory. State socialism kept Indians poor. The Hindu conservatives greatly accelerated the Indian economy. The growth rate is solid.
@@silentstorm718 Africa has also been steeply rising. There's nothing special about this or that culture. Just have smart policies.
Amm I am Trinidadian and no one is on any brink of a racial war. Only politics brings out stupidity but that is a minority.
Why is an American speaking on Trinidad? Shouldn’t he be speaking on AAs!
@@caribdoll1800 TRUE!!
@@caribdoll1800 he's quoting a Trinidadian. did you not understand that?
@@anonymouslyopinionated656 yes, but he still is an American speaking on Trinidad matters. Would've been nice to know why Trinidad above all else.
@@caribdoll1800he does many times.
Fascinating video! In Kenya we have Indians who were originally brought by the British to build the railroad. I grew up in a neighborhood of Nairobi that had a lot of Indian Kenyans (mostly Punjabis and Goans but there were others like Patels and Gujaratis). As kids we played together on the street. But our parents never socialized together. When I visited Kenya, 10 years ago, I was pleasantly surprised to see some Indians of my age drinking beer in African stores. But also, many of them had migrated to Western countries.
It is also noteworthy to note black racist attitudes against West Indians, Mestizos in other areas of Honduras, Dominican Republic and Jamaica with whites.
That's definitely driven by inferiority complex.
Oh Yankee Murican Afrocentrism cultist racist bigots loathe Puerto Ricans with a vengeance because we are the end result of what they hate the most same as their Yatzee Germany predecessors race mixing.
What do you mean by West Indian?
@@piyushjaiswal9283that is a sensitive issue that we simply cannot talk about to any degree but I’ve seen that as well
That is all foolishness. Africans are the most generous of all people in the Caribbean to their own downfall.
Indians work hard and have a good culture! Fact
But they aren't Caribbean.
@@IandIpowa so? Even the blacks aren't American, they were brought there
@@IandIpowa Are blacks Caribbean?
But they have a caste system that prevents them from progressing. Indians can thrive when they live overseas and they don't have the caste system that prevents them from progress but in India they are a hot mess. What I noticed is that Indians can adapt with other cultures quickly. When they are mixed with other races they can thrive but among themselves they became toxic.
@@secrets.295 🤣🤣 my people don't have a caste system my guy. That would be the us.
Even in Mauritius the same thing can be observed, where many Blacks are racists towards Indo origin Mauritians and towards India. But those hypocrites will still go to India for medical treatments, education, business etc.... .
There are more Indians in black countries than blacks in India stfu
In South Africa 🇿🇦 it’s the opposite
Same in Bangladesh
Mauritius is called "Little India". Why is it in Africa?
@@jabaltariq4606 because the location of the island 🏝 is in africa
South Africa 🇿🇦 has a large Indian population outside India 🇮🇳 that doesn’t mean anything
Thank you again for your episodes. I always learn from them
The "indians" in Trinidad do NOT despise the descendants of Africans for not being Indian, i don't know whose idea that is. There is friction because there are different social tendencies.
I’m here because I’m a black American and my supervisor is Indio Trinidadian and he is the most racist ppl I’ve ever met. He actually had complaints against from me and others but because upper management is lazy they only write him up and a few months later he’s back to telling a black employee, her kind isn’t allowed in his town, they keep her kind out. Or telling me I have a ghetto accent because of the neighborhood I’m from, dude I’m from Media, Pa, look up the town so you can see how ghetto it is. I did research and found out it’s quite common for Indio Indians to have anti black mentality.
It's the other way around
Its a fact
My family is from the Caribbean .My grandmother was Indian and grandpa of African descent . Racial tensions have existed between some individuals but it’s not a wide spread or deeply rooted issue the way it is in America . Race is not an issue for the majority of people .blacks and Indians get along for the most part and many families are mixed . Although I agree with some his pointed. Videos like this can sometimes over state the case
Well spoken
Lol, it's very negligible for Indian women in Trinidad to marry or date Afri can men. The other way around is common though.
@@mangopudding5979
So you admit that it’s common for one gender.
And that it exist in general. That doesn’t change my point.
Also, I was talking about the Caribbean in general.Not just Trinidad ..
Sowell hits the nail squarely on the head, as usual.
The relationship is still tense, but a lot better today than in the past.
I would not say it is tense at all, perhaps in the past, yes but not now
Im from sweden and my godmother is indotrini. Her parents came from india but She hasnt told me much detail about it.
My godmother is the best woman in the whole world. So much love and happiness and wisdom to share. I always wanted to go to trinidad and tobago with her and she’s going back this winter so im really hoping i can save up to go with her 🥹
Kenya another example of this tension.
Indians want to be the Jews of Africa. Idi Amin kicked them out.
Nope, at least not in 2023,because Africans in Kenya have their own numerous businesses and there's a growing black middle class, hence no reason for any envy or tension towards Indians, Indian influence has eroded significantly since the early 2000s , no one sees the Indians as a threat anymore
0.3% of Kenya population is imdians. While, 36% of Trinidad population is east Indian. 42 thousand Kenyan Indian. While 450 thousand east Indian are Trinidadian.
Uganda was the best example of this. My mother's family was exiled
@antony6799= A.I BOT CHANNEL
A group of US sociologists recently studied Trinidad and noted the antagonism between the two groups, each thinking the other held the upper hand. From their research the two groups were quite even, in all aspects.
Upppp
Interesting...
No they were not
@@SamSung-hk4tt what did the study find?
@@seanpollonais1208 what you said.
How do you expect slaves and indentured servants to get along? One group is going to see themselves as being above and better than the other. How long did it take before the slaves received any formal education? I lived on a street with Indians, Chinese, and Syrians, but I cannot tell you one thing about any of them. We were respectful to each other, but that is as far as it went. There was long-standing animosity among all of us.
Lol
@@BoycottGoogleTotally got anything substantial to respond with?
@@bigman88george3 you tell me that son ????
@@BoycottGoogleTotally I repeat the question. Do you have anything substantial to add? Other than "lol"?
@@bigman88george3 i repeat the answer
As a black man, biracial half east indian, half black and having strong roots there i have to say there is some truth in his words. East indians because of their culturing...a focus on family, strong work ethic & having endured much abuse by those who came to trinidad before them, they persevered and have prospered. The africans chinese portugese & even syrians were here before them (according to U.W.I prof Bridgette Berrington), forgive me if i have mis-spelt her name. They were somewhat charged wt being responsible for the first stock exchange & not having much vices they stored their gold & monies in the banks regularly....everything was put behind their children & of extreme importance (and still is) to build & pass on generational wealth. Whilst the Africans dominated the gov't service, they focused on self development, owning businesses, which would ultimately grow, creating upward social mobility... Culturally status is very important, and thus certain fields were the targets for their children...
In my country, the British imported thousands from India to work on plantations, but also thousands of educated Indians to take over all the lower lever civil service jobs in the bureaucracy. Despite originating from the same country and being brought over by the colonial masters, the 2 groups had very different trajectories after independence. Till today Indians are among the poorest, but also among the richest here. Wonder if this is similar to what happened in Trinidad
Which country??
Which country are you from?
Sounds like Guyana but im not sure and would like to know.
The British did the same thing to Uganda
Notice how the common thread in everyone's comments is the (evil) British (ruling class)?
The thing about Thomas is that he disregards his person identity and thinks 100% objectively.
What I mean by that is, some people of one race influence all their thoughts and logic to benefit their race. But not Thomas.
He just looks at the facts, no matter who it offends or helps, he cares only for the truth.
But more than that, he has an encyclodpedic knowledge of history which makes his conclusions irrefutable.
More than any athlete or rapper, the black community should celebrate Thomas Sowell as their brightest star and role model.
Thomas Sowell is a great teacher. How to make his works required reading with class discussions?
HE HAS MANY PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR HIM THAT HELP HIM RESEARCH.
@@Matthew_SsaliAt the end of the day, he acquired that knowledge and share it objectively.
Thomas Sowell is controlled opposition for the colonialist Israelis. He is no ally to fba.
Im proud of my people ✊🏾
Remember why history is important. It is extremely important.
Interesting but to use Naipaul as a reference introduces inaccuracies. Indians and Africans in the country generally get along. Naipaul s observations were made in the late 1950s/early 1960s when the social ambience was somewhat different. A lot has changed since then
I love Mr Sowell's writings and was pleasantly surprised of this excerpt. Another of his book to add to my wishlist. However I would've loved to hear a bit more from this excerpt which would have provided us with other literary viewpoints from both sides which I am almost certain his research would've provided. Can say though that the tension spoken of has never been civil war levels like the US is facing today, if not for Politics these 'tensions' would have been less apparent. Sigh, guess I'd have to wait to purchase his book then 😅
Thanks for sharing this information in this video
And this story repeats itself in todays Southafrica.
They are having a better life in South Africa than in India .I remember a couple of years ago they done a survey and said if you had to leave South Africa what country will you go to ,only 2 percent replied India .
@@fjtpersian6566wrong.
@@mangopudding5979 right
How comes most of the Indians who are leaving are either going to Canada ,USA and Australia and India are giving them visa free access via the Indian origin scheme ,they are having a better life in South Africa.
@@fjtpersian6566 India is rising at a rapid rate, very soon China and India will dominate this world, Indians will have the best lives in India and no other countries.
People everywhere usually seem to want to belong to something larger... And to want someone else not to belong to it.
There's always been alot of tension between the black and indian community, there's also alot tension between the black and white community, and the black and latino community, and the black and asian community, and the black and jewish community, and the black and black community. You'd think somebody'd figure out some common denominator or causal factor causing all these groups to be bigotted towards blacks. clearly all these racial groups that generally don't have violent friction with each other have it out for the blacks.
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Damn Scots. They ruined Scotland!
It's a conspiracy. Everyone is out to get a certain people only because of their skin color. What a joke, imbeciles
Actually in NYC the Blacks and the Latinos gets along very well especially because Blacks and Latinos live in the ghettos together and do the same criminal actions.
You forgot to add the Chy-knees, lol
Quite an objectives view. It would be interesting to hear the rest of the narrative
I did know a Trinidadian couple where the husband was of Indian heritage and the wife black. Their marriage didn't work out.
Mostly because he was sober (recovering alcoholic) and she continued to drink.
This phenomenon is very common in nearly most former British colony due to British's 'Divide & Rule' policy. To prevent native population to be prosper and powerful enough to harm their colonial administration, British would bring 'foreign' staff/administrator from other colony like India etc and Chinese as labourer/miner to help them manage the country and grew the economy. The natives would be continue to work in agricultural/menial job in rural areas while newcomers will live in the cities. After 2-3 generations and later Independence from British rule (WW2), these newly-created free nations had to figure out themselves how to 'correct' the socio-political-economic imbalance that caused by colonial policies that detrimental to the cohesiveness and stability of a multi-ethnic,multi-cultural societies
So the British created a diverse society?
Apparently it even spread to all sorts of places where the British had not been too. They had to work much harder at crushing the slave trade though.
So Blacks were natives of Trinidad ???
British needed hard workers for their business ..
Damn ,seems like you no nothing about Indian indentured labour system and just wanted to comment something.
It is noteworthy that there is no significant oppression narrative concerning Indians in North and South America.
It is rather remarkable that they are not great fodder for those who make political moolah from oppression politics. Well done on them.
As Sowell says, Indians are politically apathetic, internally divided and generally not given to state largesse. Outside India. Sad that in India, they are so beholden to state largesse that they have perpetuated their poverty.
Indians in India and Indians outside India are a case study in the effect of socialism on people.
Last sentence. 💯
This video is WAAAAAY TOO SHORT???????
It's an excerpt from the book, Migrations and Cultures.
I am forever grateful to the Indo-Trinidadian community because my first "experience" was with a gorgeous female Indo-Trinidadian high school classmate, and this was in Texas!
That Indian flavor is delish...
This isn't even remotely, currently true. In the caribbean the only people trying to foster racism are americans and people from the UK. Black and Indians in the caribbean live, work, play and intermarry. This isnt 150 years ago.
EXACTLY I’m literally the product of an INDIAN man marrying and having kids with a AFRICAN woman who both live still in sweet T&T my paternal grandparents
Just to contradict some Trinis here:
1) Racism is not of the past. Its covert now. People, BOTH SIDES, are still prejudiced but a bit more tolerant. This was a case for a while now though. I believe these ideas of us being highky divided are way more exaggerated than the actual case.
2) Intermixing has always been a thing. Both the black and Indian community have a tendency to hate it for ethnocultural reasons.
Has intermixing risen though?? There is no data for that. Census data is outdated but it is possible.
Also, controversially I'd say that there is a lot of FETISHISM in that intermixing. Black men tend to fetishize Indian women, which is why most relationships are that specific combination.
I was doing actual research on this on local and larger forums, and I was actually surprised because I thought light skinned black women and Hispanics/Spanish women would have been highly prevalent. They were not, granted they still were respresented compared to dark skinned black women. Check a Trinidadian subreddit, granted you will see revenge p0rn on there as well, again involving Indian females, often not Indian on Indian if its a nasty video.
Slurs (c00lie) and conquerence rhetoric is also attached to these posts. I firmly believe that there are men using our women to fight a proxy war as well based on rhetoric like "Another beti falls for the black sword," with beti being used mainly by black men to refer to Indian females. You see this in a lot of their music which again is targeted at Indian women. Let it be noted that black guys being the main ones who love to say "Douglarize the nation" compared to everyone else including black females is quite telling and also weird af. Please analyse that rhetoric.
*Note: nothing against organic relationships but they're rare from what I've seen.
3) Racism towards Hindus and Muslims are a huge thing. Hindu temples get vandalized regularly and have been vandalized ever since we've been here and if you're a bearded guy in the wrong area, rastafarians particularly have a thing for slowing down and murderously looking at you. They perceive bearded people, particular Indian people with beards, as Muslims and they don't like them because in their mind, all Muslims are gang members.
If you doubt that there is prejudice against Hindus and Muslims, just remember, there are numerous organizations founded by Indian people to fight for Indian Hindu and Muslim rights together and the preservation of Indian culture. TOGETHER.
A lot of the people in this comment section who things things have gotten better, are seeing it from their perspective. They fail to realize the negative effects of the past and present on the future of certain communities in the country.
4) There is also a victim mentality amongst black people (Trinis as a whole but mainly black people). One time I heard a person claimed how America was a less prejudiced country because there were more black billionaires, failing to realize that there were local black billionaires in Trinidad, at least in the past. There is also this tendency to refer to themselves as a "minority" when percentage wise, they were up there with Indians in the last couple decades and they were also the sizeable majority in the past and is believed to be the majority now. Again, a census needs to be done to confirm that.
Also, there is a high tendency to claim that all Indian people are rich and black people are poor when in certain areas of the country, you'd quicker see a black person driving a luxury vehicle than an Indian. You'd also see Indians who are dirt poor as well. The thing is though, a lot of poor Indians dont live where poor black people live. Poor bkack people live near the city so people tend to see them more. Poor Indian people live in the Southern parts of the country. These are areas that most of the country has never gone by or will ever go by. But ofc, they'd be the first to talk on "Trinidad" Twitter about who is privileged and who is not. This part of the country is also quite underdeveloped btw. Even the members of the ruling party have alluded that you'd have to vote for them to get anything done. But thats a lie because they don't even care about the areas that they always win.
Then we factor in that politically, the party that was lead by bkack people and represented mainly black people have lead the country for majority of the country's existence. How some have the audacity to claim how Indian people are the main reason why so many are still poor is beyond me! They're trying to applying American politics and History to Trinidad when it doesn't apply.
It seems to me that Trinidad like the rest of the world is suffering from Americanization, a lot of what you mentioned happens to be American rhetoric that has been adapted by West Indians et al. Do you mind if we correspond on this topic?
Very interesting points. Thanks a lot!
@@reluctantnerd7536bruh I will be honest, a lot of what you said is anecdotal nonsense
@@KennethStBriceyou can clearly see the biasness, he doesn't hold the Indians accountable for some of the things they do or have done.
Lol, from where did you get this nons ense and lies. Indian women don't even look at Bla ck men in the Caribbeans or Trinidad. Indian women almost all the time prefer, date and marry their own Indian men in the Caribbeans or Trinidad. Indian men dating bla ck women on the other hand is quite common in the Caribbeans or Trinidad. Bla ck men in Trinidad don't fetishize Indian women, even if they do Indian women don't date bla ck men. There is hardly any intermixing between bla cks and Indians in Trinidad, Indians considering bla cks as not equal is one of the reasons behind it. You are a bla ck man who wants others to believe that Indian women in the Caribbeans or Trinidad date/marry bla ck men, you want to portray how "good" bla ck men are. When the reality is the exact opposite. Indian women in the Caribbeans or Trinidad very rarely date/marry bla ck men.
I was born in Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹 in the region of Sangre Grande with a mixture of different people.
I would say Grande is one of the places with a higher percentage of mixed people.
@@BlackHeartMan_NoSoulafter living in Sangre Grande for a few months, I nicknamed the area "Dohglaville" 🤣. It's a nice area. Nothing beats Arima tho.
@@michaelregis1015 I lived in Grande and Arima along Tumpuna road...I prefer Grande, the people cool and it closer to mayaro for weekends lol
Great work Dr. Sowell! Scooby snacks for you.
My allegiance is to Liberty, the Republic, and Democracy.
Have the differences between the two groups been settled? There's a growing mixed race population (part black and part Indian) in both Trinidad & Tobago and Guyana.
There was no real race war or intense tension in T&T to the point of bloodshed. Ever. This Video only put out a small snippet of Mr. Sowell's already biased narrative.
It’s still very much divided bc culturally speaking, Indians don’t really marry outside of their race
May 20 years ago!! Every child born now is either a dougla or some vene mix up with afro or indo trini!! In 10 -20 everybody on trinidad will be mixed except the chinese and syrians!!
@@SexyBeautifulBabe This is not true, Indian Muslims marry black , and indians in rural communities tend to be with anyone however strict indian areas, there is no intermarrying
@@theultimateartist4153there should be no intermarrying between two communities we are different from you we don't want inter mixing of culture
I actually recently did business with an Indo-Caribbean man 😅
Folks this story is very familar to the Guyanese population especially during the burnam dictatorship of the late 60's and 70's and some of the 80's but is was also evident in Suriname and Trinidad and Tobago.
Same tension in Mauritius
Tensions amongst Indians and Blacks happen in Guyana, Suriname, Fiji as well. Indian populations tend to grow faster and gradually take control of the resources and governance of the country.
Haha you saying Indians breed more and faster than blacks.
Through hard work.
@@brianramirez4953 Indians are ultra nationalists and only hire, promote other Indians regardless of better candidates.
That and because Western Europeans tended to favor Desis over Black's, And Native Oceanians yeah.
Propaganda against Indians. Just like anti semitism.
P.s it's unfortunate that our archeological community has so many politics that it is disgusting..
Kkk
Until people confront Britain's role in all of the perfidy over the last 300 years, they will have no idea what is really going on.
Thank you Lyndon LaRouche.
Lyndon LaRouche was an idiot.
The British divide and rule strategy was-in full deployment in this region, and that’s the fact s , and as a Black man from Caribbean , growing up in Jamaica I learned from my history ,that the British brought the Indians, and ,Chinese indenture workers, to the Caribbean ,in order to cut the bargaining power of the newly freed enslaved African people, and to place them as a buffer between, them and the colonial government , the Indians ,they were more willing to accept the status, quo,of the colonial system,that meant they where given , the higher positions,in the colonial administration’s ie the police force and other colonial administration,institutions,over the African ,that have been there , from day one ,that’s the root of the tensions even till now.
Same thing currently happening in the US
Wtf when was this book written, cause non of this has happened in Trinidad.
Both sides are culpable here. Naipaul makes that very clear.
As an indo Trinidadian living in Canada. I find I have more in common with Afro Caribbean people than people who are direct from India.
Could you say that louder for the people in the back.
Is islam allowed in islands like Jamaica ,Barbados ,Trinidad etc.
Are there mosques in those carribean islands ?
are you serious lol of course, Trinidad even had an attempted coup d'etat by the jamaat al muslimeen.
Trinidad and Tobango had a Muslim president (Noor Hassanali) from 1987 to 1997 .. 10 years!
and the current president of Guyana is Muslim (Irfaan Ali)
Yes, ofc. Muslims are everywhere in my country. In the town that I grew up in, every day you would here the nearby mosque doing the call to prayer. It was always beautiful.
Would have thought Guyana was the biggest comparison. Would like to hear more on this.
Are west Indians even Hindu? Only Hindus are very thrifty and cohesive out of India like jews, as one of the oldest literate cultures, dont know about African cultures except Egypt. Hinduism is older than all Abrahamic religions combined.
We had a group of about 70 in our temple at Delhi, who were recent Isckonite converts from Trinidad visiting India, they all claimed to had been forcibly christianized by the blacks, but eager to accept their roots, we Hindus were so shocked that they looked so African, like the features and all, not anything bad or good about that, but nothing about them was anything similar to us Hindus at all, genetically or even culturally.
In this situation, how does that group claim to have Indian roots was beyond us😅.
I was surprised that there were Hindus in some western country, as we dont accept conversion at all until recently. I can only say, we Hindus didnt have any historical experience mostly with blacks, in contrast to Christians or Muslims, so we dont know about your culture. But, all groups ought to live in peace. We have Muslims, Christians here as well, Hindu kings sheltered them and we all live peacefully. They even feed on Hindu money via our Hindu temples, via some regressive british laws which are gonna be changed in the coming years.
Calm down Hindu Superman.... Hindus are also notoriously stingy and move at a snails pace economically.... That's why the United Nations came up with the term "Hindu growth rate" to describe the abysmal state of Indian economy....
They did better since the 90s but I think the Indians have again trapped themselves stratigically.
@@sabtaingopinath9652 There's a reason Hindu American's are the richest community in America
You won't know wumao
Chinese Americans provided the same opportunities earn only 70% of them
@@sabtaingopinath9652that term was more for the Birth rate and religious growth than anything. It means the growth which happens but is cut short by replacement not filling up the place lost fast enough.
@@meteor541 I think youbare mistaken... "Hindu rate of growth" is a very well known economic term that was used by international economic institutions to describe the slow growth of India...
Because India started out ahead of China in 1947 in terms of economy... The Mughals and then the British Raj had left a decent infrastructure in place...
But the the Indians started to go back to their old ways and that advantage Indian had over China was lost also.
So it's got little to do with birth rate... Its an actual term that you can Google and find out its history.
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The term “Hindu rate of growth" was coined by the late economist Raj Krishna in 1978 to describe India's low rate of economic growth between the 1960s and 1980s, when it averaged around 4%.9 Mar 2023.
I copied it pasted it for your knowledge.
This topic is better heard from T&T and other Caribbean people who know more than text books.
The tension is also here in Suriname
Really? Did Dutch colonisers use the same divide and rule tactic in Suriname that the British used?
Unlike Africans we Indians did not sell souls to our British masters. We kept our identity.
you sound ignorant
Can we allnget together and have some roti 😂
As I Kimberly A Sample , will continue to say , when a (Wise-Man) Speaks Truth to Facts you should listen , because Schools in ,not out , Slaves came in different colors , the preparation , for Reparations ,hard work it's still. Time to (Face Off) Peacefully. (PODCASTERS) Truth Warriors. Each one Speak to one. Keep on Keeping it Real. A(COUNTRY) to Save. Along with the Children. Let's get to Work ! ON OUR MOVEMENT FOR IMPROVEMENT. Because All Lives Matter !
The words are English but the meaning is gobbledegook
Actually the East Indians in Trinidad and Guyana are very different from the East Indians in India because the East Indians from Trinidad and Guyana adapted to more to the Black style especially music and the accent is very Caribbean which is very different from the Indians from India.
That’s not much of a difference. They still retain Indian customs, beliefs and traditions.
They don’t
Damn, what a stupid point.
@@ericlarousse1149plus a lot of inter breeding
@@solb101 Not true, big difference because I've friends and coworkers from Trinidad and their accents and culture is more Caribbean than in India.
Thomas Sowell hombre.
Dude is a hack.
No mention of the indigenous people who were there long before anyone else. Are they all gone?
Unfortunately and the survivors are absorbed into Europe culture
Yes
NO in ARIMA there is a group of indigenous people from the CARIBS and Arawak called THE FIRST PEOPLE OF SANTA ROSA
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Santa Rosa is not indigenous,that's Latin Europe
Arima is an indigenous name
And the indigenous peoples are literally killed of , enslaved etc in the name of Jesus and the Pope
You speak of a handful of these people
They faced a genocide by the European Christians
@@robertmitchell8630Roman church had a big role in persecution and wiping out the Natives across all colonies.
Nicki minaj is Indian
Indians wherever they go they are always one of the most successful people and law abiding compared to others. You won't see indians in mass criminal gangs rioting. Name in any Western European USA Australia anywhere. Caste system only exist in india due to politics and votebank while in west it's miniscule like any other community. Other communities also have their social hierarchy system if not caste system but discrimination is similar
There are Indian gangs in Canada and Malaysia. It depends upon their class background. Middle Clas Indians do not commit petty and dangerous crime, they are more into White collar crime. Most of the immigrants to the West are Middle Class background. Lower class Indians are more crime prone but not that much into violent crimes compared to other populations.
@@mudra5114 in crime by ethnicity indians are low in any Western nation. Of course there will be criminals in all ethnicity
@@mudra5114 in prison population indian are one of the lowest.
There are Indian gangs in my country (Trinidad and Tobago) and one of the biggest pirates in history in the 20th century of the Caribbean was an Indian. Also, Indians in my country are better off than blacks on average but compared to other groups in my country (whites, Syrian/Lebanese, Chinese), they are closer to us economically than them.
@friendlyatheist9589 Excuse you? I'm an Indian-American myself and I think it's *vile* that you categorize every black person (billions of people you haven't even met) as a "mass criminal gang":
That's close-minded, inaccurate, and it completely shits all over the many more black individuals who work just as hard--if not harder than--the richest Indian-Americans in the country (hell, at my summer medical job, my supervisor was a black Caribbean-American lady FOB) and would never dream of being in a "mass criminal gang"
And for the record, *no one* is automatically bound to criminality simply because of their racial lines--So you insinuating that "criminal gangs" are only a black thing is inaccurate and problematic AF
Why would anyone keep the caste system
The people with the power at the top really like it.
Who do you think made the caste system?
@@fishsmell3939Smart men.
@@AJohnSmith It was called Hindustan for many many centuries. That's democracy majority rules.
@Zoomer Stasi hindi is not even 1000 years old whereas caste system is older
Yes Dr Sowell….State intervention and politics has ended up as rubbish in Trinidad as everywhere else…
My final opinion is, that everywhere were British was a colonized is repetitive the same results, divisions between local natives to their grupos of slaves or worker's they introduce on this regions of the world. To much sadness for humanity.
Trinidad is the 5th wealthiest country in the americas due to oil😂... now watch a walk/drive through video on trinidad and tobago. Trinidad shouldnt look like that..😂
It would be great if PM could visit Trinidad and establish close working relations with the Islands.
Is it Trinidadians or Trinidaddies?
Indigenous Fijians were left alone by the British and treated Indians as slaves on the sugar plantations. Their descendants built Fiji and the resentment from Indigenous military decided to engage in genocide and apartheid. Their land was stolen. The day the plan to have a coup d'etat was exercises, many innocent Indians were raped and murdered. One young girl had her limbs cut off. Indians still living in Fiji have been beyond forgiving with the Indigenous, and when bigots say Indigenous Fijians were suppressed by Indians...no evidence to that at all just the victim anthem being sung. It was Indians who taught the Indigenous how to prepare Indian food when the Indigenous elders saw they ate unhealthy...immediately Indians helped. After thirty years of Indigenous rule, all you hear in Fiji is about rape and incest among Indigenous Fijians, can't blame that on others now.
As my threapist said, things are not so black and white...why cant we just be friends?
Thomas Sowell is in the "sunken place" 😮
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There is also tension between black Guyanese and Indian Guyanese, also Barbadians. When we could no blame white people, someone had to be responsible for our failings. Who do you think, that politicians and soft subjects intellectuals blamed?
This has been the way if mankind, since time and memoria on this earth.
It's that simple, huh. That's what you get from all this?
Barbados ain't in this commesse.
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Thomsa Sowell have some serious issues. Only God can help him.
Only God can help those who cannot stand the wisdom he preaches. Maybe even God can't.
Sure is helping him from what I hear.
@@blandingscastle3729 Nah, in the West, it does not work like that. If you support the West, the Western system actually punishes you. No other civilization in the World is so suicidal.
It's very interesting to know about a South Asians that cut off from the mainland because the 🇬🇧 wouldn't return them back home?😅
Sadly, the current 21st century Indian citizenry population. Don't view them as Indians but as Bengali from parents of Bangladesh raised in NJ. u r my cousins r my sibling ethnicity, You are just, A family member who's been missing for a long time. Just like the gypsies, you're no less desi. You're just as me, just. You have a different trajectory In history.
The who?
Black Trinidadians? You see they are Creoles right? They are indigenous. You never call indigenous people after their in which they reside. You say Creoles or kalinagoes Amerindians and Taino Arawak . They are a Creole speaking people. They have been colonized in their own land. In Haiti, Dominica, st Lucia, BVI, Bahamas even Barbados and America.
PM Modi
The Cast system was developed by Brits in India, so in Trinadadindin indians Cast system doesn’t exist !
The caste system was not developed by the British but by the Brahmins. The British actually emancipated the lower caste Hindus and gave them rights.
@@mudra5114 The British also stopped the practice of widows committing suicide by jumping onto their deceased husband's funeral pyres. Still, the British were no angels. They just happened to take over an entire civilization that had already perfected the means of stratifying labor and extracting wealth through caste. No need for slavery - all they had to do was tax it. They eventually sucked $43 trillion out of India.
@@diaprojectdiss2142 Also having India as part of the British Empire added to the prestige of the Empire. India was the most important part of the British Empire for reasons of strategic location in global trade networks, force projection in Asia and prestige.
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India’s share of world income shrank from 22.6% in 1700-almost equal to Europe’s share of 23.3%-to 2.8% in 1945
The ,"Brightest jewel in the British Crown" was the poorest country in the world in terms of per capita income at the beginning of the 20th century.
Since Independence, the average Indian's income has increased to about 37 times than that at Independence !
Infant mortality rate reduces 97% from Independence !
The percent of people living below poverty line ( less than 2 $/ day now) ( PPP) has decreased from 84% (1945) to just 5.4% today !
India has lifted 715 million people out of poverty in last 60 years !
@@thebestevertherewas Firstly it is impossible to measure the total GDP of a country as percentage of the World economy before 1815, as there is a lot of economic data missing. For example, what was the GDP of Africa in 1700 AD, impossible to know because of lack of written records, so without African GDP, it is impossible to measure global GDP and only then can you measure percentage. However we have some good data on GDP/ capita and already in 1600 AD, Britain had twice the GDP per capita of India, before the East India Company even landed in India. Already by then Indian wages on the silver standard was only 20 percent that of England in those days as per the calculations of Broadberry and Gupta.
India was poorest in per capita income in beginning of 20th century??? India was already full of extreme poverty before the British conquered India as attested by numerous travellers. Also as far as India's GDP per capita had grown after 1947, the entire World saw massive rise in GDP per capita after WW2. Actually Indian subcontinent has become poorer relative to the UK, after 1947. Before 1947, during British Empire, the average British wage was nearly 6 times average Indian wage. Now the average British wage is 20 times average Indian wage. This after Britain was totally bankrupt after WW2, after fighting the powerful German and Japanese war machines!!! Britain was paying back WW2 loans to the USA till the 1990s, yet the British economy boomed after giving India Independence.
That was fascinating. Please do a segment on the current India caste system.
Cast system was abolished in India some more than 70 years ago
@@ashwinvk4124 Still is effect in it's class sense. Just because no one is called a Shudra or Brahmin does not mean that the sentiment and general class division is still apart of India today.
By bringing in the old idea of Indian caste system, is a way of bringing their contribution down a notch. Nice try!!
@@bigman88george3 agreed I am just giving out the basics , the situation is more complex than what most non indians think it is.
@@ashwinvk4124 Give me a snippet, if you will. I'm really interested.
Indians don't inavde and colonise and don't force thier religion and culture on the natives as the British did. The British inavded and colonised many nations, wiped out the natives so they became a minority and forcefully converted the remaining to Christianity and took thier land and resources and treated them like slaves. Indians came as labourers and worked hard and developed these nations. They didn't care if anyone loved them or hated them and didn't follow thier religion and culture etc. All that mattered to them was that they work hard and become successful and prosperous and thier children had good education etc.
Can this indians speak hindi ??? 😊😊😊
In india not everyone
Indentured slavery*
interesting view on a topic usually out of our radar by a level headed intellectual
He is no level headed intellectual. Fortunately he did some research on this topic about which he would not know anything. In his native country he's a lapdog for his masters.
7th, 20 June 2023
Blacks don’t save, short term thinking.
And then later cry oppression 😂😂
Terrible video .!!!
We are not no longer a real people. We are the richest people on the island, and the most educated people on the island just look look up 10 richest people in Trinidad.
It’s the Syrians who are the richest people on the island .
You forgot to tell us what activities generated a lot of that wealth!
@@jabaltariq4606grandpapi being favoured by massa played a big role in that.
Because the black government discriminated on we Indian people when we apply for jobs we did not get it
Absolute dogshit.