Supercharged 3800 Fiero (New 1/4 Mile Best vs. a C8 Corvette!)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- The 3800 Supercharged Fiero sets a new Personal Best in the quarter mile. Best part is that it was against a C8 Corvette. Take a peek and I will tell you what changes I made to set the new record.
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@@Slowv8Fiero Koenigsegg is pretty fond of it.
@@Toys4Life For me the sound of the whirling supercharger is deLIGHTful !! 😄
Am aware of the modifications You have done via viewing each previous video, thus the "three" of "four prongs along with obvious assistance with the 'fourth' => Congratulations !! 😆
A. since the 'fourth' prong, cool air, has important and significant affects, have You considered adding a air intake cooling system-solution, as a intercooler ?
B. Clearly the porting, air flow improvement with the supercharger is beneficial for improved air flow, thus engine performance, which is the purpose, goal with all 'boost' 🤓
1. would and have You considered other air flow improvements in the intake valve seats, head ports, intake manifold ? 🧐
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in some ways I like my 3800 SC Fiero better than the C8 AND my 2006 Z06 corvette. Just bein' honest
Definitely a totally different experience 😃
This thins is awesome! My best friend owned one. It was slow, but this is how they should've been from the factory
That's actually pretty cool, taking a car known to be geo metro slow and getting 11 second pass's at over 100mph, without LS swapping it. Not possible with out forced induction or the 3800 swap, makes it a nice little sleeper. job well done!
Thank you sir!
I can assure you, any Fiero would beat the shit out of my old Geo lol. BUT, it did get 45mpg
The V6 cars were actually pretty quick.
@@Slowgroovin It's been 20 years now, but i had a 1986 Fiero GT with the 4 speed Muncie. Car was completely stock and I ran 14.7 at 92 mph 3 back to back passes. I believe this is still the record for 1/4 mile time in a stock Fiero.
@@georgebalzer8219have an 88
Formula totally stock and won’t ever swap it. Don’t want to. Maybe a ratted out 85 I would.
This channel continues to provide me with inspiration and advice on my own 3800 fiero build! Thanks for blazing a trail, the tips and tricks you share here are getting applied right to my car 👍
Thanks for the kind words- there are Fiero trailblazers more worthy than me - I am just trying to share the info with more people and hopefully help the Fiero get more respect! Thank you!
You got yourself a new subscriber. Just found your channel, your video guide on what to look out for when buying a c5 popped up in my recommendations and I ended up bingeing a bunch of your videos after that. I read that your fiero isn't intercooled because it's not really worth it, but have you ever heard of a company called cryo2? I read about them in the early 2000's when I was in high school when they came out with co2 intercooler spray bars, but they also had this thing that hooks up to your intake tube and there's a hollow ball inside with connectors so you can freeze it with co2 and cool down the air that passes over. It's not super expensive either. Just thought I'd mention it since it seems like it would be perfect for your situation 🤙from the Big Island of Hawaii
I'll have to dig into that, sounds interesting! Appreciate the comment and the sub and cheers from the Midwest of the mainland!
Thanks for the great race this weekend. I have seen your car before. Does very well and I’m sure it catches a lot of people by surprise.
Which car was yours?
@@Toys4Life The C8
@@flynncbr Beautiful car! What year is it?
@@Toys4Life thank you. It’s a 2022 and just broke 2000 miles on it that weekend at the track. It’s been raced almost every weekend it’s driven. There’s a air strip in amery that you can race down on the weekends for $100. Good amount of cars show up and you can race from a dead stop or from a roll.
A hood vent will prevent those covers from flying up.
Indeed, I should do that one of these days!
I had a cover rip off at over 120 once... It also helps keep the nose down at those speeds because pressure builds up underneath the car.
And I would imagine it will reduce the drag because it's venting it out instead of getting stuck in the car. Maybe that's a winter mod?
@@Toys4Life you can also use body vent panels ( like typically in the end of doors to the side of each headlight , it will vent out through the front wheelwell if you want to keep hood stock.
When you consider that Fiero in factory trim was a 15-16 second car, it IS a 35+ year old car.... Sub 12 seconds is a damn good accomplishment, absolutely nothing to sneeze at IMHO. Also, that C8 wasn't walking you so.... Just my $.02
Thank you!!
My cousin had a red 86 GT Fiero back in 89. He had a hidden nitrous system, home made intake and exhaust muffler. With engine being the rear this thang was a monster launching it off the line. We did a lot of street racing with it against a lot Chevy z24's, GT Celica's and any other v6 sport cars. You could power brake it dam near to redline and launch it and it would pin you back into the seat barley spinning the wheels.
Power break it?
My dad had a 86 and did something the same he beat all the v8s in his highschool 😂
@@fantheman310 Hold the brake down and step on the accelerator pedal and rez it up just before the car starts to move.
Man even with the wheels coming off the ground that corvette still won just shows how much technology improved over the years
I still regret not getting a Bonneville SSEi back in the day when the prices were bottoming out. I heard with some simple bolt ons they made pretty good power.
I loved racing against you!! Loved the car and was very impressed
That was a fun day! Please remind me, what vehicle was yours?
@@Toys4Life the widebody mustang
I totally love yours as well, if I didn't have an allegiance to GM products, I can totally see myself using it as inspiration for something similar! Life short, drive something awesome and different and you nailed it!
Just way way way to damn cool man. Way to cool.
Love these, definitely wouldn't kick the right one out of the garage if I ever ran across one. (Wanted one back in the day)
Have you thought about a turbo to help on the big end?
99% of the time I am on the street and I love the INSTANT torque of the eaton Supercharger. Hard parts for the auto trans are not readily available like they once were so I am probably done increasing power with this setup.
nice job. ill have to look through your vids and see if you cover the whole car.
I really never understood why GM didnt push that car more.
has sooo much going for it....
LOW BUDGET...is always gratifying. i cruised my 10k c5 today... I LOVE that c5........
B4 you said the price I was thinking the same thing!
Nice . You smoked that vette
off the line ! And would beat my vette. A 2000 with a few upgrades .
As an owner of a new 1985 GT V6 Manual Fiero, back in the day, I approve this.
I appreciate that 🙏
Congratulations
Thank you!
Congrats, impressive.
Thank you! Cheers!
I would like to see a cockpit view from the c8 with audio.
especially the first 9 seconds
He actually commented here somewhere, he was impressed and was a good sport. I think he should have been able to launch better than he did, I'm not sure if he just was going to take it easy on me or what 😉
Sounded like you were touching the rev limiter a bit before shifting.
Good runs. Swap that blower for a turbo and you'll have that corvette in the rear view.
Powerwise, yes. But the transmission that's in there I'm sure would break and hard performance parts for the 4t65 EHD are hard to find these days. Plus I would miss the instantaneous boost on the street.
Supercharged engines sound so happy! Like: weeeEEE, weeeeEEEE, weeeeeEEEEE!
What a beautiful car.
The 3800 swaps always been known to make Fiero’s pretty nasty
C8 Corvette... You mean second gen Fiero. :P At least that's what all the Fiero guys around here tell ourselves Sweet build - what's that dash swap?
Thank you, 97 Buick regal GS.
I never get tired of watching your vids regarding the Fiero. It has been 15 yrs since I owned one. I have owned 7 yet never one with a 3800, time for me to grind my gears and get to work so to speak.
Glad you like them!
You build Exitment!!
Freaking cool!!!! Love this S#•+
Can you put a shift kit in the Fiero - shifts like a 1950s Buick! Probably pick up two tenths with the same HP and improve 60' time
The tranny is starting to get tired - ecpecially 2-3. I have a several hunder WOT passes on...
I have a new 2024 C8 and I am happy to see you do so well. It's great to see these home-builds rolling so fast.
These are my favorite cars
It's a very nice sleeper.. I have been in a bad ass set up 88 Turbo'ed 2.8L Fiero GT.. They stopped making them because once turbo'ed they were killing the corvettes at the time not just in a straight line but around track's.. Guy's were buying them for 15K putting another 5K into them and killing the vette's of the time that were over 30K back then.. But I have to say the badest car I was ever in back then when I was young like 16ish was a 1990 ZR1 Vette it was nasty for back then. They were $60K back then.. But GM got rid of these cars because they were hanging with Vettes for cheap and because they were dangerous for back then. But the car was way ahead of it's time for sure..
Hell yeah.1000%
Love this build. I saw a small intercooler available for the SC 3800s somewhere that is pretty thin and bolts between the supercharger and intake manifold. The junkyard 3800 the guy put it on was making consistent numbers one pull after another on the dyno. I imagine his build was similar to yours, it was making about 389hp. I forget how much torque but it was high 300s close to 400. He hit that engine with nitrous and it made almost 700hp without hurting anything and was still running in a "safe" range according to the PC he was monitoring it with. I can't remember how much over 6k rpms it ran but what an amazing engine, GM should have never stopped making it. I would like to get a sc 3800 with a transmission and engine cradle from a Monte Carlo or GXP to replace the 3.6 and 6 speed in my 15 Impala limited/pre14 body style. The 3.6 hp and mpgs is okay but it doesn't have enough torque in the lower rpms for me. I like to have a lot of torque at around 3k rpms rather than 4k rpms, makes it easier to keep the rpms lower with my slightly heavy foot.
I would absolutely have an intercooler if I didn't have e85 available. In my opinion it's not worth it if you have e85 available. If all I had was 91 octane then I absolutely would have an intercooler.
@Toys4Life C5 my thoughts exactly for my 02 GTP ,engine cooler , transcooler .
E85 by summer .I believe she's good !
Going with 3.0 pulley.
Get that front end on the ground instead of up catching air slowing you down. 6450-6500 rpm and less front end catching lift will put it around 11.5@118.
I remember those Fieros when they came out in the 1980s...everyone thought they were Magnum PI or something
Me too, then I drove one with the 4 cylinder and was like ohhhhh. Then I drove one with the 135hp 2.8 and surprisingly - it seemed MUCH better.... Now the newest C8 has over 1k hp.. crazy
Love the dragstrip videos. Brings me back to the old North Star days. Congrats on the new best time!
Down here on the Gulf Coast there's a gentleman named Freddy pendarvis who was in the fiero club who had a 4.3 turbocharged fiero. Now that thing was fast the front end was in the air for the first 100 ft at the strip. I'm sure him being in his 70s and being a lifelong machinist had something to do with all the one-off parts for the car.
Just found your channel. When I saw that Regal instrument cluster I literally laughed out loud. I love it! That car is badass! Great job!
Glad you enjoyed it!
imagine spending 60k to practically be matched by a car that's practically 40 years old with a supercharged v6 engine from another old car, lol. Gotta love GM tho. They build some great engines.
I'm almost more impressed that a stock-ish C8 did 11.29.
Yeah, that's pretty damn quick for what I believe in stock as well!
@@Toys4Life Weight transfer/traction, I suppose. Same reason the Fiero's so damn fast.
Great job! Nothing like a sleeper fiero....
I have 95 Bonneville SSEI doesnt move like your Fiero, WOW!!
What setup are you running on the series II? 3.4 pulley , headers intake tune?
A little drip of water will cool that motor down. And alum foil works great for header wrap.
The C8 is high 50k car not 100k unless one is dumb enough to pay that much 😂
Love your content, and appreciate the help you provide people on the forums!
Not too many genuine car content creators that really care about the community.
Thank you.
Thank you - I appreciate that!
Fun, Fun, Fun Car! Way to take an old-tech ride and embarrass the heck out of the latest and the greatest!
LMAO 100k C8 .. I bought mine in 21 for 59995.00 And a drag race is only 1 metric. The C8 and its abilities are so far beyond a Fiero. That saying them in the same sentence is a crime.
You mean you don't want to trade me and give me an extra 5K to boot?
Pop up headlights, or as I like to call them, my active aero system...
It's a lighter version of the Buick GNX.
I have to hand it to you! You took a junky piece of shit and turned it into a 11 sec sleeper
You killed him in the 60 foot!
Man ngl looked kinda slow going against the mustang but ya got em for sure!
Love the airbrakes!
Man, that little white Fiero is really freaking Q-U-I-C-K!!! And I mean, LIGHTS OUT QUICK!!! YClearly, you gave that brand new Vette a whole freaking mouthful and that was just about more than he could chew!!! And while I’m fairly sure you already know this, but this particular, head’s up, race could have very easily been won by you, Mr. Toys 4 Life!!! The way I saw the pass, the Vette hit an 0.84 light versus your 1.17, for a slight difference of 0.33 seconds. You ran an 11.68 to his 11.29, for another slight difference of just 0.39 seconds. Ok so, please, just hear me out on this one… “IF” you had cut just a little bit better light, than the 1.17 second light that you did cut, you would’ve beat the Vette to the finish line… making YOU the winner of this heads-up race!!! Now, what do I mean when I say, a “little bit better” light??? I mean, if you had cut just a mere 0.07 better light OR, in Laymen’s terms, if you would’ve cut a 1.10 light, instead of the 1.17 you pulled, you would’ve still ran a SLOWER 1/4 time time than the $80,000+ fiberglass go-cart, BUT you would’ve beat him to the finish line, essentially winning the heads-up race!!! I would say, “if you cut a better light and/or he cut a worse light”, but you can only control the things you do and you have absolutely no control over what the other driver does, so that would’ve been a mute point. Either way, you have one badass little rocket of a car!!! A car that I have always loved since the very first time I ever saw one, which was about 2 months after they first hit the dealer lots and were for sale. Keep up the awesome work!!! Can’t wait to see it go even faster!!!
Appreciate your analysis, it's a fun inexpensive NeverEnding project, which is a good thing!!
11.6 isn't a slouch ... great run!
I've always fantasized about dropping a supercharged 3800 or the turbo 4 from the Solstice GXP into a Fiero GT. It's mid-engined, it doesn't weigh anything, and it's aerodynamic. Fantastic sleeper.
I appreciate your comment!
Man that thing is a deceptive little sleeper putting down impressive times. I've seen some fast V8 swapped Fiero's but you can usually hear them coming from a mile away. My OCD does force me to point out a small mistake at 2:00 though. The Fiero was GM's first 'rear mid-engine' sports car. All Corvette were mid-engine(front mid) starting with the C1, as the engine has always been located completely behind the front wheels as opposed to above them.
I don't understand. My Buick pulled 11.8 but the ones we got from the manufacturer had a aluminum front end and and 60% of the motor was aluminum. Only the body was heavy. But that fiero I would think it would have been a bit more. Well anyways congrats and you know theres a way to control your boost to the charger. I'm sure your maxing that.
It is full boost at WOT. Are you saying you had a Buick that ran 11.8 with a 3800 SC? Seems quick for a heavy car like that?
Hell, these days it's not too hard to make a golf cart rip. But an old, early gen Fiero?
(I prefer the '88 GT.)
I could care less how fast a car is if it looks weak.
The Miata or a Tesla would be other examples.
As for the Vette, I still think the C7 looks better than the C8.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some people like Miata's - I don't, but they could care less if I like them. When you destroy a pretty expensive popular modern car in a sleeper - it is good fun!
Man i want one in my square body s10
I love this car! I had a bonneville SSEI with a supercharged 3800 and it moved out for being a 4000 pound pig! I couldnt imagine the same engine in a tiny car like urs. Must be an absolute blast to drive. I would to build one some day.
You would need a performance profile cam, 3" exhaust, colder plugs, intercooler, and overdriven supercharger to hit the times that this guy is running in the 1/4 mile.
No intercooler, just liquid intercooling as we have 85 here in Minnesota.
You're racing in Eau Claire? Sweet. I am from La Crosse, and I would like to see that car at some point. Maybe give it a free detail job.
She's a 100 footer (the fiero). My C6 could use a professional detail - are you a professional?
Now fit a twin screw supercharger.
My first car was an 85 fiero. Only caught on fire once. And throttle got stuck once. After that i didn't have any more problems
3800 v 6 is the same as the GNX buick only it had a turbo. These are very under estimated engines. Built right they fly like a rocket.
Same size, different engine
Toss a little 100 shot nitrous intonit
This is great. I just came across your channel. If you have space consider putting some sort of a fuel line cooler. Dropping fuel temp can be as helpful as an air intercooler.
Ive had that thought but the fuel system would have to be redesigned cuz this is fuel injected with a return line. In a nutshell, how would you plan it and where would the presumably ice bath bee for the fuel.
Headlights deploy like speed brakes
No way you would gap my F150!! Dang she scoots!! 12.3 is slow compared to that rocket!!
Maybe some meth will get me there.
10’s are the dream but not sure the wife is cool with it!!
Sometimes it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission? 😜
@@Toys4Life
The King Ranch is getting crazy.
It’s went away a few times.
It’s her daily and she says it’s fast enuff, but I sold my house so we have some play money!!
congrats toys! LMAO at cordless drill!
Thanks man, I just love going to the track car guys are my favorite people to hang with!
@@Toys4Life I haven't been to the track since 2005. I am scared if I do it could reopen up a can or worms lol.
1:55 I worked at Pontiac at that time. Believe me, it was NOT a 'sports car". Calling it an attempt was a stretch.
88 fiero was a sports car in 1988. 84-87 didn't handle good enough - but truth be told, not much handled well in the mid 80's.
Love the car, ever thought about bracket racing it?
Not really, I'm more into trying to modify to go a teeny bit faster every time, that's the challenge for me. But I respect the guys that can bracket race because they are extremely consistent and have a ton of patience!
Very cool.
Are there any possibilities of a manual transmission on thos engine?
Yes, but I have not done one.....yet. My other car has a 6 speed manual.
Fyi, the corvair is actually GM's first rear engine setup 😉
Fiero is mid engine. Engine above rear axle center-line. Corvair is like VW bug - engine 100% behind the rear tire centerline.
Be much more interesting to see if a STOCK Fiero could even make it to the end of a quarter mile run. 🤣
Ummmm.
I have a rot box gtp out behind my house, it ran strong when it was parked.... let me see, what could I do with that
If it's been sitting a while, make sure you run it to get fresh gas in there so it doesn't get terribly old and wrecked the injectors.
So, the new Fiero is only slightly quicker than the old one! I'll take the old one!
😂
Too bad there isn't a short ratio transmission for these. That whine would sound so sweet banging through 6-8 short gears.
That would be cool 😎
@@Toys4Life I also wonder how much faster it would be if at all. Seems it would if you could keep the engine around peak torque instead of such drastic drops.
You need no2... The cars is slow. I built a Fiero GT with a v8 and pulled a faster time the first time i ran about 20 years ago.
No offense but my B.S. meter just went off.....Most V8s swaps underperform.Except the LS4 V8 swap - this decent.
@@Toys4Life You can believe what ever you like.
@darianballard2074 indeed
Doing this now to mine! Sounds badass
you need to set your gearing to more a 1/4 mile set..looks like you might be geared for mid range
I've thought about it, there's a lower gear set I can install in the transmission!
And why on earth were you slowing it down with headlights up??
Forgot to tape them down. I believe they popped up after the last laser.
What track are you at I'm in Minnesota as well. Nice fiero by the way
Rock Falls Raceway!
I think it's impressive that you have successfully improved your little car with factory parts GM could have made work as well. However that C8 cost so much not only because it is faster in the 1/4 mile but also because it will stop 30 feet sooner than your car and it will run lap times at a road course much faster than that Fiero. I confess though that I would very much like to see both cars on an asphalt short track like they run what they call the spectator drags in the north east. With the most expensive low profile cornering tires made that will fit it, on that Fiero I suspect it would be difficult to beat.
84 - 87 Fiero brakes don't have much capacity for stopping more than a couple times in a row & would overheat well before the C8's! Would be fun to try though!!
@Toys4Life I would be surprised if you were unable to adapt a large front wheel drive 90's GM disc brake system onto a Fiero as they all used strut suspension and changing out the steering knuckle from strut to strut is very easy.
Was wondering if you have tried alcohol water injection to cool down the intake air temp or maybe a 50 hp nitrous shot ?
Any way you look at this is insane 😂 if I own that corvette I will return it immediately and get a mini😂
I just got a fiero 1985 GT and been replacing things for the radiator including it itself and need pointer's
Great., Scott!!!!!
Parachute headlights. LOL. Love it
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Nice runs! 👍I just wish I could get Turbo Slug's nose that high on a launch! 😉
Love Your Fiero info.. Is there a way for you to go over what is needed to run E-85 in a 3800 SC fiero? I got my Fiero (1988 Formula) Swaped to a 1997 GTP 3800 SC It was going great then it spun a Rod Baering Number 3... I am working on rebuilding it with everything you have added to your 3800.. Just not sure how to get E-85 Tune to work without burning up pistons..
Keep up the good work.
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The yenko corvair is the first GM mid engine sports car.
IMO, Corvair = Rear engine. Mid engine is most of the engine/trans over the rear axle centerline or slightly forward. Corvair and the orignal VW beetles are rear engine.
Best 1/4 mileperhour time? Hmmm I though time and speed were seperate. Mile per hour is its speed, aka as how "fast" it is not time, and the time is how "quick" it is.
Love how the headlights always flip up at 115
Awesome job, congrats
Thank you! Cheers!
That's one bad ass 20v drill!
It's a DeWalt.