UNDISPUTED ON FS1im done watching basketball if Westbrook don't win and Shannon knows nothing about basketball Westbrook have to shoot more he have no all stars like harden so if the the best player on a team that sucks and the team mates are garbage he can't be MVP? James harden forgot about other MVPs that didnt have the best record hands down Westbrook is MVP of the league
deonta thomas You're an idiot if you're using that as a basis for judging Westbrook and harden as individual players. How many times have we got to say that Harden has a much better team, so if the Rockets sweep, it means absolutely NOTHING in terms of individual skill. Westbrook has usually outplayed Harden when the Rockets and Thunder played each other this season. It's Harden's teammates that make the difference.
Movie Muscle no mvp award has been giving to a player who team that's not contending, it's simple harden is the Mvp, and if Westbrook is the mvp and lose in the 1st round, people are going to look back and say "did he really deserve it"
deonta thomas Moses Malone won MVP when his team was a 6th seed, Kareem won MVP when his team didnt even make the playoffs. So their has been MVP winners who weren't on Championship Contending teams. And MJ got bounced out the 2nd Round his 1st MVP season, not the ECF.
Shannon complains about how many shots RUSS has taken, but fails to recognize that Oladipo and Kanter were injured for a combined ~35 games this season. And now Alex Abrines the only other so-so shooter on the team is injured again.RUSS is AVERAGING 10 Assists without any shot makers and that's that!Switch Russ and Harden and Russ will have an inconceivable statline!
The warriors been 1st in fastbreak points for years, is steph grabbing all the rebounds? The suns when they had nash were always 1st in fastbreak points was nash always grabbing all the rebounds? What point are you trying to make?
Steph Curry isn't a fastbreak monster like Russell. that's why he doesn't get most rebounds also im pretty sure okc is also the number 1 rebounding team in the league
Steph curry is just as deadly in the fastbreak as westbrook lol and my point is that steph has the ball in his hand the majority of fastbreaks and still produced more fastbreak points than westbrook over the years
Dude you clearly need to look up how good a coach mike d'antoni is.. He can make average players, especially pg's look like all starts or superstars in his system. If they had any able bodied pg, with the rest of that roster, they would 100% be in the playoffs (Ariza, beverly, eg, lou williams,...) But harden makes them the 3rd seed. That said, russ MVP
Russell Westbrook help: Victor Oladipo: 16.5 PPG Enes Kanter: 14.4 PPG Steven Adams: 11.8 PPG Taj Gibson(After Trade) averaging 9 points, the rest averaging 7 points or fewer - 3 players shooting 35% or higher from three James Harden help: Eric Gordon: 16.5 PPG Lou Williams(After Trade): 15.5 PPG Ryan Anderson: 13.6 PPG Clint Capela: 12.4 PPG Trevor Ariza: 11.6 PPG Patrick Beverly, Montrezl Harrell, Nene Hilario each averaging 9 points, the rest averaging 7 points or fewer - 8 players shooting 35% or higher from three Harden has four more players who can give him 9+ points and five more players who can shoot 35% from three or better. Westbrook is the MVP here, he is literally carrying a significantly worse supporting cast to the 5th seed while averaging better numbers than Harden. If Westbrook had Harden's supporting cast, they would be in the 1st or 2nd seed.
Jerry Lafayette so do the Rockets players not hit the most threes.Do they not have a good offensive coach.Do they legit not have the two candides for 6th man of the year in eric gordon and lou williams.Notice how once they got the coach and these players the Rockets went from 8th seed to 3rd seed
they scored that against the suns who have the worst defense in the league and are the worst team in the west and Eric Bledsoe Tyson chandelier and other starters for the suns didn't play that game but you didn't mention that did you nice try clown the rockets would be in the lottery without Harden no way they would be better than the clippers, jazz, OKC, Grizzles, Blazers, Nuggets, Pelicans, and Timberwolves without Harden you are delusional "Jacob White"
anyone of them can win it to me 2 friends going at it for the MVP what a season for the both of them wish both of them could win it but make the best man win #GoHarden #GoWestbrook
Even before lou arrived in houston they were 3 seed so, gordon capela ariza anderson beverly are not better thanund the current 8 seed with liliard rockets would be around 10 seed
You guys do not understand the difference between MVP of the team and MVP of the league. In that case, put Lebron in Westbrook's place. He would carry the team farther than what RW is doing right now. Shouldn't he be the MVP?
I'm tired of telling the same stories over and over again so I'll make it quick: Based on whoever said that without RW the Thunder would be a lottery team, you are basically saying he's the MVP of the team. I'm saying there is a big difference between MVP of the team and league. IF by YOUR logic that RW is the MVP because IF he left OKC, they wouldn't be relevant, then put Lebron in RW's position. Lebron would no doubt would carry the team better, so shouldn't he be the MVP of the league?
Real Scalabrine Without Harden, the Rockets are fighting for 8th seed in Dantoni's offense. Without Russ, the Thunder are THE worst team in the league. Facts.
6th seed is too high...you need a primary ball handler to get guys the ball, be a scoring threat as well...all while shooting decent percentage at all levels.
Harden does the same thing on uncontested FT rebounds; Durant led OKC last year in that stat because they had the same strategy--to get the ball in a playmaker/scorers hands. It's being questioned this year because Westbrook is 6'3", even though he has the same % on contested rebounds and is the sole leader of his team. Shannon should check his numbers and realize the stats don't lie. Russ is the MVP without a doubt.
Why is sharpe always playing with the numbers trying to give harden a boost? What he said hardens stats were vs what his stats actually are 29 (29.3) 11.5 (11.2) 8.6 (8.1) Then does the opposite for westbrook 30 (31.9) 10 (10.4) 10 (10.7)
Harden accounts for more points than Westbrook, even by shooting less. But if Harden left the Rockets would be a 6th seed?! Are you kidding me? Both teams would be in the lottery if those guys left them...
orestisDisturbed maybe not 6th seed but would still be in playoffs. Mike system is for pg's. Eric And Lou can keep them in it easily. Did you forget Amari? Did you forget Linsanity? Even Nash? Last year was Harden in this debate? COY Mike D. No question.
Tavoris Myles how come the knicks didn't make the playoffs when mike d'antoni? HARDEN IS THE SYSTEM, the rockets would be in the lottery just like okc without westbrook
Harden accounts for more points.. why's that? Cause his team shoot 3's. That stat is meaningless, Harden sometimes doesn't even drive and dish all he has to do is pass it from the top of the key
Everyone forgetting what an amazing series Houston vs OKC games would be. Even in the regular season they felt like playoff games, mostly in the clutch within 2 points except one where we couldn't comeback lol tbh Rockets in 6/7
I'm almost shocked at the amount of people overlooking Russell's lack of efficiency. That's not what gets you through the post season. Last I checked the goal of the season was to get to the chip.
Im always thinking that Russ is the MVP but whenever Shannon gives us the facts about Harden im stuck between the two😂😂😂. They both in my top 3 favourite players man😂
Funny how everyone who is saying Harden has a better team and coach is acting as if we just now found out who their coach and team is. Everyone knew it from the beginning of the year and predicted them to be mediocre at. Vegas had them at 41.5 wins, even less than OKC. They started the season with more or less the same expectations as OKC. It's Hardens greatness that's elevated them to this level. And to everyone who wants to say it's because of Ryan Anderson and Eric Gordon's shooting, remember that they both played on a Pelicans squad with another superstar in Anthony Davis and every year either missed the playoffs or were a quick first round exit.
Ethan Hall I'm not a harden fan but his % is misleading he leads the nba for most fouls drawn on 3 pointers (about 10-15% of his total attempts ) he purposely jacks up 3's that he knows won't go in just to get fouls
Ethan Hall people never talk about how the Rockets system is three pointers and layups no mid range shots so it's rare that Harden ever takes a mid range shot more than half of his shots are three pointers that's why his shooting percentage has taken a dip this year
Firstly, Oladipo missed some games. Secondly, before the Thunder got Gibson, Russ had a rookie in his starting line-up. Thirdly, Russ has no shooters....if Russ had Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson, and Trevor Ariza (even Beverly is sniping this year), he would be able to shoot less and get more assists. He would also have better spacing, which would just be unfair...
CB didn't just say they'd be a 6 seed without Harden... He said put someone else on that position... Put an above average (not a star) pg in that position and they still win... But an above average pg in OKC puts them in the lottery... It's like running backs in Denver during the Shanahan era... They all had career years... Dantoni's system is the say thing
He didn't mention that Kobe also has five rings. I love Shannon Sharp but he said give Harden an all NBA player? Can we talk about giving Westbrook a NBA player first? Houston has players coming off the bench that can be starters on most teams in the league. Don't get me wrong wins are important but if they mattered as much as most people say then Kawhi Leonard or someone from the Warriors would win MVP.
I'm noticing that just about all former NBA players rave over Westbrook's triple double season, but the non-players are like 50-50! If Lebron or Curry had accomplished this, they'd be calling them the GOAT.
Russell will win and James wins he will be sharing with Russell. I get the triple double hype. But lets think for a sec, if James Harden knew this was going to be a triple double contest, he could average 2 more rebounds. Caron hit it on the head, Russell MVP race started when KD left, and we all know that. Media was love with their story line. Nothing else mattered but Cleveland and Golden State meeting in the finals.! I rest my case.
If Russ doesn't win MVP year this year he's never gonna win it. I feel the same way about harden both are having historic season ..... I think it's time to make co-MVP because who ever loses first round will get slandered so much "see ______ isn't MVP ______ is he should of won .
Shannon is right. People like round numbers, but if you just look at the stats as they are Harden's and Westbrook's are incredibly close. Combine that with the fact Harden's Rockets have a better record than Westbrook's Thunder (they always look at that, but now all of a sudden the record isn't as important in people's eyes) and you have a great case for Harden as MVP.
"It's the system"....it has nothing to do with "the system" the Rockets would be nothing without harden. They have no true ball handler and point besides Beverly who is average at best at the point. Harden has been doing this for the past 2 seasons. He's been putting up 28 8 and 8. Just this year he has 11 assists a game and harden is also on another level. Personally Russell should win it but I hate when people sleep on greatness. Harden is a great player and he deserves credit.
Houston the 6th seed without Harden? The rockets are made of a bunch of outcast players. You take away Harden and the Rockets are the Lakers. I like Westbrook but the media is completely trying to discredit Hardens MVP case.
Shannon can go home with that. Westbrook deserves it and it's not close, he's a walking triple double, and averages more rebounds, and more points per game. On top of that, Russ is a BAAAAADD MAN in the clutch. How many game winners does he have to make before Shannon backs down.
Westbrook or Harden for MVP this year?
RUSSELL WESTBROOK
UNDISPUTED ON FS1im done watching basketball if Westbrook don't win and Shannon knows nothing about basketball Westbrook have to shoot more he have no all stars like harden so if the the best player on a team that sucks and the team mates are garbage he can't be MVP? James harden forgot about other MVPs that didnt have the best record hands down Westbrook is MVP of the league
UNDISPUTED ON FS1 harden.
zmm1990 It's good u were joking cuz if u weren't people would be hating
I Respect Shannon but seriously Westbrook is CLEARLY, what should be the First Unanimous MVP!
Shannon keeps mentioning how much more he shoots than his teammates...but the top 3 players not named russell on okc...all missed games due to injury
The way Butler said its the system
"we might sweep them" lmfao that's enough Sharpe is a hatrr
Ballin Too the rockets might actually sweep okc, the max okc might take them is probably 6 games, but Westbrook is the mvp right? lol
BootherJr lol jordan won his 1st Mvp when he took the bulls to ECF, so wtf you getting your information from?
deonta thomas You're an idiot if you're using that as a basis for judging Westbrook and harden as individual players. How many times have we got to say that Harden has a much better team, so if the Rockets sweep, it means absolutely NOTHING in terms of individual skill. Westbrook has usually outplayed Harden when the Rockets and Thunder played each other this season. It's Harden's teammates that make the difference.
Movie Muscle no mvp award has been giving to a player who team that's not contending, it's simple harden is the Mvp, and if Westbrook is the mvp and lose in the 1st round, people are going to look back and say "did he really deserve it"
deonta thomas Moses Malone won MVP when his team was a 6th seed, Kareem won MVP when his team didnt even make the playoffs. So their has been MVP winners who weren't on Championship Contending teams. And MJ got bounced out the 2nd Round his 1st MVP season, not the ECF.
Westbrook, there is no competition
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Shannon complains about how many shots RUSS has taken, but fails to recognize that Oladipo and Kanter were injured for a combined ~35 games this season. And now Alex Abrines the only other so-so shooter on the team is injured again.RUSS is AVERAGING 10 Assists without any shot makers and that's that!Switch Russ and Harden and Russ will have an inconceivable statline!
Joy . . . TO THE WORLD!!!
thunder are 3rd in fast break points. the rebounds start to make sense right?
The warriors been 1st in fastbreak points for years, is steph grabbing all the rebounds? The suns when they had nash were always 1st in fastbreak points was nash always grabbing all the rebounds? What point are you trying to make?
Cody02 great answer , people act like wb is the only pg in history for who was great at fast break so he has to take the rebounds
Steph Curry isn't a fastbreak monster like Russell. that's why he doesn't get most rebounds
also im pretty sure okc is also the number 1 rebounding team in the league
Steph curry is just as deadly in the fastbreak as westbrook lol and my point is that steph has the ball in his hand the majority of fastbreaks and still produced more fastbreak points than westbrook over the years
yeah cause he has 3 other all stars to pass to and shoot. Russ doesn't. lol
Westbrook is shooting better from 3 than harden currently
damn Joy
Joy Joy Joy 😍😍😍
He definitely is the MVP. I ain't trying to hear nothing else from nobody
How can wins not matter in this MVP race but they mattered in 2015 when Curry won over Harden?
If Lebron was doing the things that Westbrook is doing, Shannon would be on nuts everyday.
jordan vandross Lol
Tarek Tarif Most of his shots comes from the paint and he doesnt have to score most of the time when you have Kyrie and Love.
Joy is delicious
I want her lunchbox
Joy can be my little nutbox 💘
Just give the guy the mvp and let's go on our life's
Joy is BAE
if win matter, then it should be steph curry or kawhii
Durant leaving was the best thing that could've happened to Westbrook's career period.
In all honesty, Westbrook should be unanimous MVP
mark84g5 in what world.... just because he averages 2 more rebounds than James harden
Relax harden deserves votes too
harden deserves some votes but its deffo going to be map quite comfortably
mark84g5 you casual fans are the worst lol
#LakeShow #GoPats
200+ more rebounds that would take harden another 26 games to match Russel
Even Colin admitted Westbrook is Gona win MVP , COMON SHANNON CONCEDE
Joy wants Shannon badddd!!!??
Ryan Anderson never played for Brooklyn
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Westbrook going out in first round tho, but he is MVP
Shannon is such a hater. If Lebron was doing this bs in the east he'd be calling him unanimous MVP. Russell is the undisputed MVP
BannedOnTV Lebron been deserved a unanimous MVP tho
Well KD did have a 50-40-90 season in 2013...
Yeah.
Melo was the one who got the vote
I said Undisputed learn to read.
Oscar Robertson blew a 41 triple double lead smh!
Rockets can still win without harden tbh but without Westbrook the thunder would be in the lottery right now lol
i'll say it everytime - Joy is looking spectacular. shout out to her husband
Dee Eagle better than Molly on first take ? I say yes
NOT EVEN A QUESTION
joy is my mvp
He on drugs if he thinks the Rockets a 6th seed without Harden.
Cayden Wiltz why not? they shoot very well
He did say 6 or 7.
Cayden Wiltz the Rockets would still be in the playoffs without Harden. OKC would be a lottery team without Westbrook
Dude you clearly need to look up how good a coach mike d'antoni is..
He can make average players, especially pg's look like all starts or superstars in his system.
If they had any able bodied pg, with the rest of that roster, they would 100% be in the playoffs (Ariza, beverly, eg, lou williams,...) But harden makes them the 3rd seed.
That said, russ MVP
stewie griffin If Mike D'Antoni is so good, why did the Lakers and Knicks suck when he was coach? Explain that.
Without James Harden the Houston Rockets wouldn't make the playoffs. But Russell won me over anyways...
Jamal Ezzeddine they would at least be a decent team. They have talent and a good coach
BelalTheGoat no they wouldnt harden makes them wayy better than they originally are
BelalTheGoat no they wouldn't the rockets would be a lottery team just like okc without westbrook, stop trying to discredit harden
Jamal Ezzeddine neither would okc without west but way worst
Russell Westbrook help:
Victor Oladipo: 16.5 PPG
Enes Kanter: 14.4 PPG
Steven Adams: 11.8 PPG
Taj Gibson(After Trade) averaging 9 points, the rest averaging 7 points or fewer
- 3 players shooting 35% or higher from three
James Harden help:
Eric Gordon: 16.5 PPG
Lou Williams(After Trade): 15.5 PPG
Ryan Anderson: 13.6 PPG
Clint Capela: 12.4 PPG
Trevor Ariza: 11.6 PPG
Patrick Beverly, Montrezl Harrell, Nene Hilario each averaging 9 points, the rest averaging 7 points or fewer
- 8 players shooting 35% or higher from three
Harden has four more players who can give him 9+ points and five more players who can shoot 35% from three or better. Westbrook is the MVP here, he is literally carrying a significantly worse supporting cast to the 5th seed while averaging better numbers than Harden. If Westbrook had Harden's supporting cast, they would be in the 1st or 2nd seed.
Yes Shannon the numbers are round but they are also bigger too
The Rockets scored 122 points in a game without Harden.They would make the Playoffs without Harden
Jerry Lafayette so do the Rockets players not hit the most threes.Do they not have a good offensive coach.Do they legit not have the two candides for 6th man of the year in eric gordon and lou williams.Notice how once they got the coach and these players the Rockets went from 8th seed to 3rd seed
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Jacob White they'd be fighting for the 8 seed but def wouldn't be 6 seed or in the lottery they'd be avg
Jacob White but the Hawks also dropped 114 and beat the cavs at home without any of their starters 🤔
they scored that against the suns who have the worst defense in the league and are the worst team in the west and Eric Bledsoe Tyson chandelier and other starters for the suns didn't play that game but you didn't mention that did you nice try clown the rockets would be in the lottery without Harden no way they would be better than the clippers, jazz, OKC, Grizzles, Blazers, Nuggets, Pelicans, and Timberwolves without Harden you are delusional "Jacob White"
Facts Shannon
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anyone of them can win it to me 2 friends going at it for the MVP what a season for the both of them wish both of them could win it but make the best man win #GoHarden #GoWestbrook
Rockets 6 seed ? Okay 😭
Even before lou arrived in houston they were 3 seed so, gordon capela ariza anderson beverly are not better thanund the current 8 seed with liliard rockets would be around 10 seed
You guys do not understand the difference between MVP of the team and MVP of the league.
In that case, put Lebron in Westbrook's place. He would carry the team farther than what RW is doing right now. Shouldn't he be the MVP?
Wayne Nobody votes the MVP like that you sound dumb from even bringing Lebron in the convo when it's clearly only a two man race
I'm tired of telling the same stories over and over again so I'll make it quick:
Based on whoever said that without RW the Thunder would be a lottery team, you are basically saying he's the MVP of the team. I'm saying there is a big difference between MVP of the team and league.
IF by YOUR logic that RW is the MVP because IF he left OKC, they wouldn't be relevant, then put Lebron in RW's position. Lebron would no doubt would carry the team better, so shouldn't he be the MVP of the league?
Real Scalabrine Without Harden, the Rockets are fighting for 8th seed in Dantoni's offense. Without Russ, the Thunder are THE worst team in the league. Facts.
JOY. MY GOD.
I don't even want Westbrook to win MVP anymore. He deserves unanimous MVP at this point #GOAT
Sharpe is a pretty smart man. I'm still on the Beard crew for this one too.
Damn Joy be looking PERFECTO
where can we vote
6th seed is too high...you need a primary ball handler to get guys the ball, be a scoring threat as well...all while shooting decent percentage at all levels.
aye people in houston love shannon right now forreal
I love Shannon bringing up stat padding
Harden does the same thing on uncontested FT rebounds; Durant led OKC last year in that stat because they had the same strategy--to get the ball in a playmaker/scorers hands. It's being questioned this year because Westbrook is 6'3", even though he has the same % on contested rebounds and is the sole leader of his team. Shannon should check his numbers and realize the stats don't lie. Russ is the MVP without a doubt.
Why is sharpe always playing with the numbers trying to give harden a boost?
What he said hardens stats were vs what his stats actually are
29 (29.3)
11.5 (11.2)
8.6 (8.1)
Then does the opposite for westbrook
30 (31.9)
10 (10.4)
10 (10.7)
Harden accounts for more points than Westbrook, even by shooting less.
But if Harden left the Rockets would be a 6th seed?! Are you kidding me?
Both teams would be in the lottery if those guys left them...
orestisDisturbed maybe not 6th seed but would still be in playoffs. Mike system is for pg's. Eric And Lou can keep them in it easily. Did you forget Amari? Did you forget Linsanity? Even Nash? Last year was Harden in this debate? COY Mike D. No question.
he accounts for more points but i wanna see how many 3s harden assists vs how many 3s westbrook assists
The pg is the center of the universe in D'antoni's system. He can't help but be involved in every possession if he's on the floor.
Tavoris Myles how come the knicks didn't make the playoffs when mike d'antoni? HARDEN IS THE SYSTEM, the rockets would be in the lottery just like okc without westbrook
Tavoris Myles Just stop.
Shannon with a decent comeback in the end :) "What's the Rockets' record when James Harden gets a trip-dub?" (16-5, pretty similar to Westbrook's)
Harden accounts for more points.. why's that? Cause his team shoot 3's. That stat is meaningless, Harden sometimes doesn't even drive and dish all he has to do is pass it from the top of the key
I love it when skip points his finger to someone lol
Everyone forgetting what an amazing series Houston vs OKC games would be. Even in the regular season they felt like playoff games, mostly in the clutch within 2 points except one where we couldn't comeback lol
tbh Rockets in 6/7
After that performance from WestBrook he should now be the clear MVP winner.
I'm almost shocked at the amount of people overlooking Russell's lack of efficiency. That's not what gets you through the post season. Last I checked the goal of the season was to get to the chip.
if Westbrook don't win MVP I'm done watching basketball Westbrook been the best player on okc cupcake never been better than Westbrook
Sharpe! 👍🏻
5:22 Look at Joy's face lol She's like "Just stop, Shannon"
Im always thinking that Russ is the MVP but whenever Shannon gives us the facts about Harden im stuck between the two😂😂😂. They both in my top 3 favourite players man😂
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Jacob Anderson lmao I think harden has the slight edge
This is the man that said kd for MVP.. before he his MVP year started.. wish the thunder kept the vet.. he was a great player.
Funny how everyone who is saying Harden has a better team and coach is acting as if we just now found out who their coach and team is. Everyone knew it from the beginning of the year and predicted them to be mediocre at. Vegas had them at 41.5 wins, even less than OKC. They started the season with more or less the same expectations as OKC. It's Hardens greatness that's elevated them to this level. And to everyone who wants to say it's because of Ryan Anderson and Eric Gordon's shooting, remember that they both played on a Pelicans squad with another superstar in Anthony Davis and every year either missed the playoffs or were a quick first round exit.
Before coming into this season no one thought Eric Gordon and Anderson would have this kind of season so why hold it against harden
James Harden is .02% better from 3pt this year..
Ethan Hall I'm not a harden fan but his % is misleading he leads the nba for most fouls drawn on 3 pointers (about 10-15% of his total attempts ) he purposely jacks up 3's that he knows won't go in just to get fouls
Let me finish that sentence for you. James Harden is .02% better from 3pt this year on 2.2 more attempts (9.4) per game.
.02% can be the difference between hitting a game winner and missing one.
Ethan Hall people never talk about how the Rockets system is three pointers and layups no mid range shots so it's rare that Harden ever takes a mid range shot more than half of his shots are three pointers that's why his shooting percentage has taken a dip this year
It's actually 0.2 %
Thunder are a rebuild team without Westbrook, I feel he's the MVP.
I am loving Joy so much more than Molly from Skip's last show.
Firstly, Oladipo missed some games. Secondly, before the Thunder got Gibson, Russ had a rookie in his starting line-up. Thirdly, Russ has no shooters....if Russ had Eric Gordon, Ryan Anderson, and Trevor Ariza (even Beverly is sniping this year), he would be able to shoot less and get more assists. He would also have better spacing, which would just be unfair...
CB didn't just say they'd be a 6 seed without Harden... He said put someone else on that position... Put an above average (not a star) pg in that position and they still win... But an above average pg in OKC puts them in the lottery... It's like running backs in Denver during the Shanahan era... They all had career years... Dantoni's system is the say thing
skip did a good job with the show starting to like more than first take
Westbrook hands down. No one will ever do what he's doing. Mushmouth needs to stick to football!
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He didn't mention that Kobe also has five rings. I love Shannon Sharp but he said give Harden an all NBA player? Can we talk about giving Westbrook a NBA player first? Houston has players coming off the bench that can be starters on most teams in the league. Don't get me wrong wins are important but if they mattered as much as most people say then Kawhi Leonard or someone from the Warriors would win MVP.
Caron, you look good. Westbrook, MVP, best case scenario. Worst case, co MVPs for Westbrook and Harden.
I'm noticing that just about all former NBA players rave over Westbrook's triple double season, but the non-players are like 50-50! If Lebron or Curry had accomplished this, they'd be calling them the GOAT.
Trevor Ariza, Nene, Eric Gordon, Beverley aint no chumps thats some great players there
I just hope OKC wins the series against the Rocket just to see Shannon's reaction
Acccording to Basketball Reference, Westbrook shoots .845 from the charity line, Harden shoots .848, well that is basically the same...
Russell will win and James wins he will be sharing with Russell. I get the triple double hype. But lets think for a sec, if James Harden knew this was going to be a triple double contest, he could average 2 more rebounds. Caron hit it on the head, Russell MVP race started when KD left, and we all know that. Media was love with their story line. Nothing else mattered but Cleveland and Golden State meeting in the finals.! I rest my case.
If Russ doesn't win MVP year this year he's never gonna win it. I feel the same way about harden both are having historic season ..... I think it's time to make co-MVP because who ever loses first round will get slandered so much "see ______ isn't MVP ______ is he should of won .
Shannon is right. People like round numbers, but if you just look at the stats as they are Harden's and Westbrook's are incredibly close. Combine that with the fact Harden's Rockets have a better record than Westbrook's Thunder (they always look at that, but now all of a sudden the record isn't as important in people's eyes) and you have a great case for Harden as MVP.
"It's the system"....it has nothing to do with "the system" the Rockets would be nothing without harden. They have no true ball handler and point besides Beverly who is average at best at the point. Harden has been doing this for the past 2 seasons. He's been putting up 28 8 and 8. Just this year he has 11 assists a game and harden is also on another level. Personally Russell should win it but I hate when people sleep on greatness. Harden is a great player and he deserves credit.
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Shannon is just a bandwagon
Houston the 6th seed without Harden? The rockets are made of a bunch of outcast players. You take away Harden and the Rockets are the Lakers. I like Westbrook but the media is completely trying to discredit Hardens MVP case.
Mojo Jojo naw u trippin
Mojo Jojo I can't believe it either and I don't even like harden but he deserves the MVP.
Timothy Julien You're dumb. everyone is on russ now cuz of his Triple doubles
Mojo Jojo you've got it completely backwards but okay
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The fact that OKC had a MVP and 2 potential MVPs on one team. Horrible job from executive board
They don't wanna see Russell winning 😭
Tough juice!
for once i agree with skip
MVP
Shannon said "y'all to big for this" lol
Joy Taylor for MVP she's looking extra gorgeous this morning 😍
Diangelo Russell and JAMES JONES CO MVPS
Saul Chavez smh
Simon Martinez lol bro u can't deny it
Simon Martinez lol bro u can't deny it
Simon Martinez lol bro u can't deny it
Russell (Deangelo) is an All-Star now.
This MVP discussion is about as close as the discussion as to who is the hotter moderator (Joy or Molly).
I give a very slight edge to Ms. Qerim.
Shannon can go home with that. Westbrook deserves it and it's not close, he's a walking triple double, and averages more rebounds, and more points per game. On top of that, Russ is a BAAAAADD MAN in the clutch. How many game winners does he have to make before Shannon backs down.
We?
Damn Joy is Fine even when she's throwing shade haha😍
Thunder are 33-9 when Russ has a triple double. Only 13 of them were against teams with a +.500 record.
Love Caron but a 6 seed no Harden? Gotta be crazy
Olidipo Adams and kanter are all better than the second best player on rockets
Westbrook the MVP
Replace Harden with Westbrook and where do the Rockets seed?? Where do the Thunder seed???
Caron is getting his years messed up. Curry averaged 23/7 in his 2015 MVP season those aren't astronomical numbers