Cashew Russ is so overrated they just see triple double and think MVP he won't win 50 games he'll probably finish in the 7th seed also he's a bad leader and kd left because his basketball iq in the clutch is trash
This is my first time checking this show out. Gotta say it's refreshing to hear these guys talk sports and not Steven A yelling at everyone about nothing the whole segment
so kobe couldn't win the mvp when they had the best record in the west from 07-10 for four years because the media said he had gasol..but lebron had wade bosh love Irving and they still handle the mvp to him..lmao
But lebron hasnt received an MVP with Irving and Love so why would you even bring that up lol and the lakers only had the best record in the West for 3 years (which kobe won an MVP). on top of that I never heard anyone say that kobe was out of the conversation just because he had Gasol. Kobe came in 2nd and 3rd place for MVP the other two years you are talking about and even came in 3rd in the 07 season when the lakers finished 42-40 so he was always in the conversation but somebody just deserved it more those years...I dont even like lebron but he deserved the 08&09 MVPs so what are you talking about.
Ma Jo for real its either 1st or 2nd in either conference. At that rate, Lebron is the best candidate and this is coming from a GSW fan. I highly respect LeBrons game. He can get a triple double even if he wanted to cause hes a (25-30)-9-8 guy easily AND he wins!
Aaron Murrell where are you getting top 3 or 4 from? Nobody outside of the top 2 has won in 30 years. By that logic harden and Westbrook shouldn't be included
Fabian Garcia he's 42-20 and in the east. They're 28-10 in their conference compared to 14-10 in the west. That's very mediocre especially with the team he has. Kawhi is definitely above lebron in MVP voting
People are forgetting that MVP does not necessarily stand for the best player with the best record. The MVP is the most valuable player to HIS team. The Thunder would be down there with the Nets without Westbrook. While with all the other candidates they all have likely chances to still make the playoffs.
What about the 5 minutes in the second quarter when Westbrook was off the floor and his teammates couldn't manage to score a single point but gave up like 12?
The thing that sucks about defense is that basic numbers don't quantitatively measure its importance. Kawhi Leonard is the most complete player in the NBA if you think of offensive and defensive efficiency. I didn't say the BEST or MOST SKILLED. But 'skill' isn't as important as efficiency. Kobe Bryant was a perfect example of that. I don't care how skilled or talented you are...if you take 22 shots and make 9, the guy who makes 12 is a more efficient and valuable player because he does more with the same amount of opportunity. People knock Kawhi for all of these variables that are more about emotion than logic when the simple truth is, he gives you 26.3 ppg while only needing 18 shots a game and a shooting line of 49/39/89. So he's offensively efficient as all time great shooters like Larry Bird, Steve Nash, and Steph Curry, but is also the premier wing defender in basketball hands down. The only other player in my lifetime that could make that claim was Michael Jordan circa 1988 to 1990. But defense never gets enough credit because most people only look at blocks and steals as a metric for your ability on that side of the court. He's the MVP. The Spurs are on pace to win 64 games and the clear dominant guy on that squad is Kawhi Leonard.
Russ won't win MVP. He deserves it though. He is averaging a historic 30 point triple double, while being the leading scorer in the NBA. He has a higher player efficiency rating than James Harden. He is also much better defensively than him. On top of that the only player to score more in the fourth is Isaiah Thomas.
Much better defensively? Players guarded by Westbrook shoot 46% and players guarded by Harden shoot 38%. Harden and Westbrook average nearly the same blocks and steals, harden having the slight edge in steals and Westbrook having the slight edge in blocks. And on top of that, when they've played each other, Harden has won 2/3 so unless Westbrook goes on an unbelievable winning streak and takes 4th in the west, he lost his chance
Did anybody else get the idea of Chris tucker at the end when they start talking about Michael Jackson Tito and randy Jackson cause Chris tucker always mentioned them in his jokes or from the rush hour movies lol
This is what pisses me off about Shannon Sharpe this topic had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with LeBron but, as always he can't contain his man crush. They could be talking about snow and Sharpe will find a way to connect Lebron to it.
At this point, he needs to revisit what matters most. Being a champ or a bitter old star with no ring. I think a move to San Antonio seems the most idealistic to achieve a title.
I don't think Westbrook can be MVP when he keeps getting all these triple doubles and 40 point games and they still keep losing. The MVP shouldn't be about stats, it should be about who leads their team to success, and okc is nearly at the bottom of the west in playoff standings
Exactly. An MVP has to be able to elevate his teammates to a respectable level of success. Otherwise what he does is just stat padding for the sake of stat padding.
Evan Alayan It is all depending on how you define what MVP is. If it is based on the best player of the best team in the league, it is KD. However, kd is now injured and he has so much controversial off season, he won't win. Therefore, the next in line is Kawhi - best player of the 2nd best team by a good margin. If it is based on the best player of the league, you may say the Marshmallow. However, after this Marshmallow has been exposed to try to buy a championship than competing, especially now he has the most stacked team with the highest payroll of all time and playing in the weak east. He has been disqualified for MVP race (Esp if we are disqualifying kd for the same reason for having too much talents). The next line is Kawhi the best two way player in the 2nd best team. If it is based on the most impact player, it is Westbrook since he is having a historical triple double avg season (the last one is more than 50+ years ago) and also doing more with less especially the second best player of the league kd left. However, due to the team record, he most likely won't win. Therefore, again, the next in line is Kawhi. Not only taking over the leadership role after TD retires, but his production has also been improved significantly while still playing elite defence. Most importantly, the spurs is winning. They also have a good chance of winning the best team record in the league. You may ask what about harden. Honesty, harden is irrelevant all year long. First of all, he has no D Esp comparing to kawhi. Even though he may not have any def awareness and iq, the worst part is that he has never been willing to commit any def. All he gives us excuses after excuses. Secondly, even though he may be known for his offence, he is not as great as he really is if you look at his beyond his inflated numbers. He has never been an efficient shooter (he gets his points via high volume, especially flopping for easy points - summer school league called him out for flopping). Even though he may be a decent passer, he is again getting assists via hogging the ball more than 90% of the time and dumping the ball to his shooters while playing under one of the best offensive system (d'antonio's). If he cannot get double digit assists, he should be sent back to D league. Lastly, everyone seems to bring rockets winning record as harden's main argument for the MVP race. But the problem with that argument is that the rockets are winning because of d'antonio and the team Esp after harden singlehandedly destroyed the whole team a year ago. Without d'antonio, rockets would be dysfunction like last year under harden's selfish isolation isolation and leadership. It is why rockets are building the team around d'antonio system rather than harden as harden is now simply a product of d'antonio system. However, even with the rockets record, spurs under Kawhi leadership is still much better, especially the last game Kawhi showed harden who is the real MVP. It is not just about putting up numbers. It is all about committing and doing it all in both ends of the floor. Therefore, if I need to choose a MVP for this season, it is Kawhi. It is not even debatable.
Evan Alayan you clearly don't understand what an mvp is. the only reason why the thunder is not dead last is because of westbrook. without him they are basically the nets. he improves any team he is traded to for anyone other than lebron.
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON OKC ALREADY KNEW THIS EXACT THING WOULD HAPPEN. WESTBROOK IS GREAT. KEEP SHOOTING, THTS THE ONLY WAYY 2 GET BETTR.💯💯💯💯💯💯
Skip just said that the older era had way more possessions back then & had a chance to stuff stats!! Oh ok then, but some how all that goes out the window when Bron do it!? 😂 Skip a contradicting clown..
MVP stands for MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. It doesn't stand for Most Triple-Doubles. Don't tell me what a guy doesn't have. Tell me how he makes the most of what he does have. The Cavs have the 4th best overall record and the 1-seed in the East, despite 2 starters missing extended time and having no backup PG or Center all season long. The Spurs have the 2nd best overall record despite Duncan retiring and Parker/Ginobili being shells of their former selves. The Rockets have the 3rd best overall record despite a new HC/System, Harden switching to PG and having to integrate new players. Lebron/Kawhi/Harden are the main reason each of those teams are contenders despite the challenges they faced. Don't make excuses for Westbrook.
Looks like your the one making excuses for the cavs. They play the weakest teams the most amount of times and their conference is weaker and they clearly have nothing but good players and now they even gotten better players although bogut broke his leg. Look at the nba you fool how many ppl have backup centers and who really needs them anyway. Yeah they didn't have a backup pg for most of the season cuz they didn't play him much they had a rookie pg. Okc was playing a rookie in their starting lineup most the season. And oh yeah they have Norris cole now but before that most the season Payne was injured so their backup was a guy who no one knows and 2k character is probably a scarecrow. Oh and cameron Payne is great right? They ain't have a backup pg but they gotta all star pg why you ain't say that
The spurs have a great coach and really good players dude. All their players can short and they have guys who ppl don't know abt that doesn't mean they can't play. Adams oladip kanter and Payne missed games this season. Offensively Roberson is terrible dude. Their not excuses westbrook is the MVP. Take him off the thunder they would be like the Brooklyn "barely an nba team" nets. Take lebron off the cavs they'd have a good chance of still making the finals even more so cuz Lowry won't play in the playoffs. Yeah they lost duncan who was old yeah he still played well but he was old and also played like he was old at times. Okc lost kd and everyone thought they'd be garbage but their not
Read your first sentence. MVP also doesn't stand for Most Valuable Team neither. You can just as easily say the Thunder are at least in the Playoff race because of Westbrook.
You can't give Westbrook the MVP here's why.......James harden is 2 rebounds away from averaging a triple double he's way more efficient and doesn't have much more than Westbrook and harden is leading his team to victories and putting up numbers where as Westbrook is just putting up numbers
PER doesn't mean anything. Its just how much you are involve in the game. Having higher PER doesn't mean anything, especially if you're team isn't winning.
Sorry but when you lose 4 games in a row to mediocre teams and you are 7th in the West you can't be the MVP over Harden, Kawhi or Lebron. Stats only tell one part of the story.
Sentinel HDD Exactly. You can be a stat machine all you want but if your team is losing, you can't be MVP especially when there are guys out there who are just as good and they are winning.
Ravens Spurs Bayern Munich Fan That will never change wins mean everything when it come to MVP if it didn't then Curry wouldn't have won MVP over Harden in 2015 and Steve Nash wouldn't have won MVP in 2005 over Kobe but guess what? They did so wins matter.
One thing that Nelly and Skip Bayless failed to understand is that MVP is the Most Valuable Player award. Its not the "Best Stats" award. Just because Westbrook is averaging a Triple Double and leading the league in points, he is not more "valuable" to his team than Harden, Kawhi, or Lebron. Being the "Most Valuable Player" means your importance to your team success. Harden, Kawhi, and Lebron are much more "valuable" than Westbrook because at the end of the day, what matters more? Winning games or padding stats? The MVP award goes to a player who is the most valuable player to their respective team's success. Westbrook may be averaging a triple double, but its not equating to team success so he is not as valuable as Harden, Kawhi, or Lebron. Putting up great stats is one thing, but if your team isn't as successful as the other teams, then you shouldn't be considered more valuable when the other three players are leading their teams to wins.
Joseph Ho I agree but triple double is unheard of n if u took him off team they would be lottery team. he has no help at all which makes it more impressive
do u even know what most valuable player means bro. put off russ off the team, they r a lottery team. when russ is on the bench, they start losing a lead or losing by a lot. they wouldnt even be in the play offs with out russ. harden is valuable to the rockets, but put him off and rockets are at least number 8 or lower but not a lottery team. put kawhi out, they are still in the play offs. its already proven that when russ is on the bench, okc is like the brooklyn nets. okc lose games when russ is not getting triple doubles. yes russ could get more assists, but harden doesnt have a big load up his back like russ does. russ gives 100% every game.
Kobe did pass the ball when he had shaq, and the crew... And he also pass when pau came. He tried to pass but when u play with trash player and trash mindset u can't expect them to be better
Westbrook is not the damn MVP. Don't tell me he doesn't have any shooters. When you shoot 25 shots per game, your teammates don't get much of a chance to get a rhythm. Russ had 3 teammates shooting better than 50% last night and NONE of them got more than 9 shots because RUSS SHOT THE BALL 39 TIMES!!! Plus, his team is a 7-seed. Gotta have better team success to be MVP.
Cornell Cannon you just contradicted yourself. you said that if the others don't get enough shots, they can't get into a rhythm (implying they won't have a good fg %) yet you then admit that a few of his teammates had over 50% shooting yesterday, each with less than 9 shots. so you just contradicted yourself and destroyed your initial claim with your second .
yeah but westbrook shouldn't be close to outshooting his TEAM that's ridiculous also i get what he means how do you know if someone gonna get hot when they shoot the ball only 7 or 9 times (roberson and sabonis shot 7 times and oladipo shot 9 times) we don't know if they gonna catch fire or not if they barely shoot the ball
If your team is hot like that, they probably should've had more plays made for them. But Westbrook is the best stat-padder of all time and stats is all that matters I guess.
that was my argument for 2years with harden he was passing the ball even before he started going off this year in assists that's been my argument they said James harden didn't pass the ball but he had no shooters around him,but nobody saw that.
Westbrook should win without a doubt. everyone acts like he isn't clear cut the best player in the league right now. He has nobody and they're still a playoff team in the West. Its not like he plays in the weak east where'd the thunder would be 4th or 5th. ask yourself this. if you took the spurs, cavs, thunder,rockets and took LeBron,leonard,harden,westbrook all off their teams. I guarantee you the thunder would miss Westbrook more than any other team misses their superstar. he is the most important to his team. making him the most valuable. oh and he's averaging a triple double. that's crazy.
To be real I believe da Beard n Russ should b co MVPS but Babyface Assassin handed every MVP candidate Ls this past week. And he has the best record. Just saying. #whosdarealMVP?
Westbrook just a stat padder and he can't close games out, can't make his teammates better. Oladipo, Adams, Kanter, Gibson, McDermott, Roberson, N. Cole is a team 06 Kobe & 07 LeBron WISH they had.
LMFAO! He's second in 4th quarter ppg and I think this season would be the 5th most ppg in the 4th quarter in NBA history. That team is trash. Half of adams points are assisted by Westbrook. 06 Kobe wouldn't even make the playoffs with this team. 07 LeBron would do more, but not Kobe don't even give him that credit.
Lmao this love fest over a triple double has to stop. You should not be guaranteed an MVP just because you average a triple double. The irony here is Russ dropped 58 and the Thunder still took an L.
Jeff Fisher there is a reason it has not been done in such a long time the game is not as fast paced as it used to be, all the other guys are on great teams, I hated Westbrook but even I have to tip my hat to him not for the triple double but the fact that he's gonna drag the team as far as he can carry them
Love how Skip praises RWB for scoring 13 and and being involved in 15 of the his teams points in the 4th but completely dismisses LeBron's 4th in 2013 when he scored 16 and involved in 22 of his team's points in GAME 6 of the NBA FINALS!!! SAVED BY RAY ALLEN
Westbrick: 42% usage rate (highest in NBA history, no wonder why he's getting triple doubles) 42% FG, "Westbrick" 1.8 Assist to turnover ratio (Trash) Leads league in uncontested rebounds (Steals open rebounds that his bigs would normally get, only averages 2 contested rebounds per game, 8 uncontested) Average defense Poor basketball IQ Poor shot selection Poor pass selection (again, an abysmal 1.8 assist to turnover ratio) Without his freak athleticism he'd be nothing. "He's carrying his team" Against who? All the teams below the Thunder in the Western conference are below .500. You're not winning the MVP with less than 50 wins.
Jaccobtw he has a record high usage rating yet you don't take that into account when mentioning his higher than average turnovers ??? seems a little convenient that you don't factor that in, yet at the same time, use his high usage rate against him. hmmm....
All these guys who are replying aren't looking at the big picture. Westbrook and Curry are two guys who are ruining basketball with their play styles. Now all people want to do now is jack up contested threes and steal rebounds from their big men to pad stats.
looking at the entire story, I can't help but have Westbrook #1 in the MVP race. Shannon, you can't say Westbrook isn't passing the ball, he's averaging double digit assists. he doesn't have anyone else on the team and they are still in the play-off race. Westbrook; it's inevitable for him to run out of gas. He's doing extreme amounts of work. I can't have Harden above Westbrook when he's doing that much work and still succeeding.
spurs have a overated max PF in aldrige gasol is good but got older old international players D leaguers let go players and kawhi finds a way to work with them in synergy i would give him MVP they have a great record the players he works with are not that special then houstons or thunders also he plays D
Cool Loner haha, nope. I would rank Kobe a bit higher, what stops both of them from being the greatest is their finals losses to the underdog with their respected super teams, that never happened to Jordan,
I agree. I'm a Spurs fan and Kawhi never gets the credit he deserves but this year he had a slow start, and it's hard to win an MVP with popovich because right after those 4 straight 30 point games he just sat one out. I got Harden winning it, not in a landslide, but if he leads the league in assists and keeps his team top 3 (basically guaranteed) he deserves it. However kawhi has a chance if he takes 1 in the west and keeps playing the lights out, I just see him slowing down soon.
fritzyness stop talking nonsense . "Kawhi has Aldridge" Aldridge incapable of making an open shot he's struggled this year big time.these last couple ofgames he's improving which is good, but this year our second best consistent player has to be David Lee lol
He will also retire with more games and seasons than Jordan, so stat totals are for the most part going to favor LeBron. Averages is what counts. He will average more rebs and assists, but not points and steals. The first title run with the cavs was pretty good, but overhyped too. Lebron played the first 2 rounds vs teams who didn't even have a winning record. He did take over with Detroit, but they were only like the 5th best team in the league.
Actually its the other way around. No one is hating on Westbrook. Its just there are players who contribute more to their teams' success. Having great stats is one thing but if your team is sitting in the 7th spot, then you're not as valuable as players who's team has the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best record in the NBA.
thekiddsean330-I agree with you! You have idiots that preach that he doesn't make his team better, and call him a stat padder to discredit anything Westbrook does, but forgets the fact that he's literally carrying his team. Westbrook is almost averaging a triple double every game, but he still a ball hogger to most people. You Westbrook haters disgust me
Yeah it is blinding people and making them look ignorant. Their argument is "triple doubles" but if its not leading to wins, then you are not as valuable as the players who are leading their teams to more success.
Joseph Ho the Spurs have better players than okc, so do the rockets and obviously the cavs do. That is the reason why they have better records. I guarantee you if you put Westbrook on the Spurs or rockets they would do similarly.
Okc has a good roster I think KD leaving is more of a mental thing that he has no help. But he's actually does he just has to use them. Adams, kanter would be great in some other organizations and oladipo was great in Orlando. They're not bad players just not used enough on offense
SuperPunch76 because that's his main argument. He is good, but has taken the most shots in the NBA and has a low fg percentage, has a bad team who may end up an 8th seed, and has a losing record against playoff teams. Not advocating for any candidate, but his triple double doesn't impress me because it's just a stat that at the end of the day is just a cool little trivia question.
I'm NOT a lebron fan but to say a dude that is the engine for 2 different teams going to the finals and he's gone 6 straight times is overrated is ridiculous.
Nelly "can't get past the triple-double", yet Westbrook is handed plenty of uncontested rebounds, leading the league in those and impoving on average by a few in those compared to last year. #64 in contested and only a few tenths improvement compared to last year. I.e. the stats are somewhat fabricated. Deducting a few of those uncontested REB's, no more trip-dub, Russ still MVP? That said, even with the trip-dub, what's the *value* in that without wins? Most valuable to his team yes, but so what... Pretty sure Cavs, Rockets and Spurs would be in a bind without their MVP candidates as well... Difference is they're getting W's. Maybe a more stacked team, but still, W's should count more than stats.
ntnnot it doesn't matter what the other team does he goes out and gets it done in the matter of triple double go out and try to get a triple dub in a high school game or college or even a pick up game and you will know how hard it is if you play against actual competition
Will Russ win MVP?
I think its either Harden or Kawhi imo.
Cashew Russ is so overrated they just see triple double and think MVP he won't win 50 games he'll probably finish in the 7th seed also he's a bad leader and kd left because his basketball iq in the clutch is trash
no
Blane Ries kd left because he is too passive and wanted a easy ring.
Yoko Kurama No that's why he went to Golden State. Hr left OKC cause the front office and partly Russell's play style.
Nelly needs a job on Undisputed, he makes some GREAT points every debate.
This is my first time checking this show out. Gotta say it's refreshing to hear these guys talk sports and not Steven A yelling at everyone about nothing the whole segment
Westbrook 54% shooting with 9 assists, 58 points. The reason they lost is because their defence is poor.
Ujjal Ray he's part of the defence tho
Ujjal Ray players shoot 50% against Westbrook he is part of the problem on defense
Ujjal Ray he took 39 shots and not one of his teammates took more than 10. Just because he gets assists doesn't mean he uses his team
Pretty Boy Javi drop 58 shootin over 50% but again lets blaim russ? maybe if okc bench wasnt so pathetic russ would win games easy
1-8 in the last 5 minutes.
so kobe couldn't win the mvp when they had the best record in the west from 07-10 for four years because the media said he had gasol..but lebron had wade bosh love Irving and they still handle the mvp to him..lmao
Rene Aalyiah yup
Rene Aalyiah I'm saying
Rene Aalyiah exactly. The NBA loves lebron and curry.
Rene Aalyiah Preach
But lebron hasnt received an MVP with Irving and Love so why would you even bring that up lol and the lakers only had the best record in the West for 3 years (which kobe won an MVP). on top of that I never heard anyone say that kobe was out of the conversation just because he had Gasol. Kobe came in 2nd and 3rd place for MVP the other two years you are talking about and even came in 3rd in the 07 season when the lakers finished 42-40 so he was always in the conversation but somebody just deserved it more those years...I dont even like lebron but he deserved the 08&09 MVPs so what are you talking about.
"How can you hog the mic, when the mic was made for you?"
i dont think casual fans know team's record is a big factor in mvp voting
Ma Jo for real its either 1st or 2nd in either conference. At that rate, Lebron is the best candidate and this is coming from a GSW fan. I highly respect LeBrons game. He can get a triple double even if he wanted to cause hes a (25-30)-9-8 guy easily AND he wins!
Fabian Garcia top 3 seed or 4 depending on exactly how dominant you are
Fabian Garcia I think Kawhi is more fitting, or Harden
Aaron Murrell where are you getting top 3 or 4 from? Nobody outside of the top 2 has won in 30 years. By that logic harden and Westbrook shouldn't be included
Fabian Garcia he's 42-20 and in the east. They're 28-10 in their conference compared to 14-10 in the west. That's very mediocre especially with the team he has. Kawhi is definitely above lebron in MVP voting
"totally disrepectful"
I spat my coffee lmfao
Seen Nelly in the thumbnail, I just had to watch this 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😭😭
People are forgetting that MVP does not necessarily stand for the best player with the best record. The MVP is the most valuable player to HIS team. The Thunder would be down there with the Nets without Westbrook. While with all the other candidates they all have likely chances to still make the playoffs.
Jonah Ashby excatly.
Damn Nelly bringing the Wavess back--Lookin like those pictures in the old-skool magaziness
What about the 5 minutes in the second quarter when Westbrook was off the floor and his teammates couldn't manage to score a single point but gave up like 12?
skip must have a lot of TVs..he's out here watching every kawhi, lebron, and westbrook game
The thing that sucks about defense is that basic numbers don't quantitatively measure its importance. Kawhi Leonard is the most complete player in the NBA if you think of offensive and defensive efficiency. I didn't say the BEST or MOST SKILLED. But 'skill' isn't as important as efficiency. Kobe Bryant was a perfect example of that. I don't care how skilled or talented you are...if you take 22 shots and make 9, the guy who makes 12 is a more efficient and valuable player because he does more with the same amount of opportunity. People knock Kawhi for all of these variables that are more about emotion than logic when the simple truth is, he gives you 26.3 ppg while only needing 18 shots a game and a shooting line of 49/39/89. So he's offensively efficient as all time great shooters like Larry Bird, Steve Nash, and Steph Curry, but is also the premier wing defender in basketball hands down. The only other player in my lifetime that could make that claim was Michael Jordan circa 1988 to 1990. But defense never gets enough credit because most people only look at blocks and steals as a metric for your ability on that side of the court. He's the MVP. The Spurs are on pace to win 64 games and the clear dominant guy on that squad is Kawhi Leonard.
gotta love how Nelly weighs in!
Russ won't win MVP. He deserves it though. He is averaging a historic 30 point triple double, while being the leading scorer in the NBA. He has a higher player efficiency rating than James Harden. He is also much better defensively than him. On top of that the only player to score more in the fourth is Isaiah Thomas.
Much better defensively? Players guarded by Westbrook shoot 46% and players guarded by Harden shoot 38%. Harden and Westbrook average nearly the same blocks and steals, harden having the slight edge in steals and Westbrook having the slight edge in blocks. And on top of that, when they've played each other, Harden has won 2/3 so unless Westbrook goes on an unbelievable winning streak and takes 4th in the west, he lost his chance
"4th?!? You sound like Mark Cuban" LOL Skip and Colin need to have a hour-long NBA debate show
Kwai is MVP. He's all about the the game, Lebum be like: one more player, I swear just one more,
When Nelly said, i might take Delly. That was it for me
"Imma take my eehr piece out"
Did anybody else get the idea of Chris tucker at the end when they start talking about Michael Jackson Tito and randy Jackson cause Chris tucker always mentioned them in his jokes or from the rush hour movies lol
It's not about working with the least. It's about leading to the most.
This is what pisses me off about Shannon Sharpe this topic had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with LeBron but, as always he can't contain his man crush. They could be talking about snow and Sharpe will find a way to connect Lebron to it.
At this point, he needs to revisit what matters most. Being a champ or a bitter old star with no ring. I think a move to San Antonio seems the most idealistic to achieve a title.
I don't think Westbrook can be MVP when he keeps getting all these triple doubles and 40 point games and they still keep losing. The MVP shouldn't be about stats, it should be about who leads their team to success, and okc is nearly at the bottom of the west in playoff standings
Exactly. An MVP has to be able to elevate his teammates to a respectable level of success. Otherwise what he does is just stat padding for the sake of stat padding.
Evan Alayan are u high? the bottom of the west? u obviously dont watch the nba
Suraj Nair i meant in playoff standings
Evan Alayan It is all depending on how you define what MVP is.
If it is based on the best player of the best team in the league, it is KD. However, kd is now injured and he has so much controversial off season, he won't win. Therefore, the next in line is Kawhi - best player of the 2nd best team by a good margin.
If it is based on the best player of the league, you may say the Marshmallow. However, after this Marshmallow has been exposed to try to buy a championship than competing, especially now he has the most stacked team with the highest payroll of all time and playing in the weak east. He has been disqualified for MVP race (Esp if we are disqualifying kd for the same reason for having too much talents). The next line is Kawhi the best two way player in the 2nd best team.
If it is based on the most impact player, it is Westbrook since he is having a historical triple double avg season (the last one is more than 50+ years ago) and also doing more with less especially the second best player of the league kd left. However, due to the team record, he most likely won't win. Therefore, again, the next in line is Kawhi. Not only taking over the leadership role after TD retires, but his production has also been improved significantly while still playing elite defence. Most importantly, the spurs is winning. They also have a good chance of winning the best team record in the league.
You may ask what about harden. Honesty, harden is irrelevant all year long.
First of all, he has no D Esp comparing to kawhi. Even though he may not have any def awareness and iq, the worst part is that he has never been willing to commit any def. All he gives us excuses after excuses.
Secondly, even though he may be known for his offence, he is not as great as he really is if you look at his beyond his inflated numbers. He has never been an efficient shooter (he gets his points via high volume, especially flopping for easy points - summer school league called him out for flopping). Even though he may be a decent passer, he is again getting assists via hogging the ball more than 90% of the time and dumping the ball to his shooters while playing under one of the best offensive system (d'antonio's). If he cannot get double digit assists, he should be sent back to D league.
Lastly, everyone seems to bring rockets winning record as harden's main argument for the MVP race. But the problem with that argument is that the rockets are winning because of d'antonio and the team Esp after harden singlehandedly destroyed the whole team a year ago. Without d'antonio, rockets would be dysfunction like last year under harden's selfish isolation isolation and leadership. It is why rockets are building the team around d'antonio system rather than harden as harden is now simply a product of d'antonio system. However, even with the rockets record, spurs under Kawhi leadership is still much better, especially the last game Kawhi showed harden who is the real MVP. It is not just about putting up numbers. It is all about committing and doing it all in both ends of the floor.
Therefore, if I need to choose a MVP for this season, it is Kawhi. It is not even debatable.
Evan Alayan you clearly don't understand what an mvp is. the only reason why the thunder is not dead last is because of westbrook. without him they are basically the nets. he improves any team he is traded to for anyone other than lebron.
WE NEED MORE NELLY, WE NEED MORE NELLY, WEEE NEED MORE NELLY!!!!!
Nelly is such hypocrite. His whole thing against kobe was the same things he's praising Russ for
bumboclaat exactly
AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON OKC ALREADY KNEW THIS EXACT THING WOULD HAPPEN. WESTBROOK IS GREAT. KEEP SHOOTING, THTS THE ONLY WAYY 2 GET BETTR.💯💯💯💯💯💯
kawhi, harden, westrook, lbj
Nelly need to participate in more commentation he very good at it
One can easily argue that Harden's stats are better than Westbrook's. 29+8+11 isn't worse than 30+10+10
MDJ you're kidding right? 50 is a greater number than 48
Kuss Die he shot way better too and contested more shots
Kuss Die lol your dumb.
Skip just said that the older era had way more possessions back then & had a chance to stuff stats!! Oh ok then, but some how all that goes out the window when Bron do it!? 😂 Skip a contradicting clown..
.....did nelly just compare lebrons conditioning on a basketball court to his conditioning in a CONCERT? omg...I can't.
alienxmz he tried it lmao
Stats isn't everything.. Winning is a huge part of being the MVP! Kobe would have had at least 4 MVP awards if stats were all that mattered.
MVP stands for MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. It doesn't stand for Most Triple-Doubles. Don't tell me what a guy doesn't have. Tell me how he makes the most of what he does have. The Cavs have the 4th best overall record and the 1-seed in the East, despite 2 starters missing extended time and having no backup PG or Center all season long. The Spurs have the 2nd best overall record despite Duncan retiring and Parker/Ginobili being shells of their former selves. The Rockets have the 3rd best overall record despite a new HC/System, Harden switching to PG and having to integrate new players. Lebron/Kawhi/Harden are the main reason each of those teams are contenders despite the challenges they faced. Don't make excuses for Westbrook.
Cornell Cannon preach
Cornell Cannon thank you
Looks like your the one making excuses for the cavs. They play the weakest teams the most amount of times and their conference is weaker and they clearly have nothing but good players and now they even gotten better players although bogut broke his leg. Look at the nba you fool how many ppl have backup centers and who really needs them anyway. Yeah they didn't have a backup pg for most of the season cuz they didn't play him much they had a rookie pg. Okc was playing a rookie in their starting lineup most the season. And oh yeah they have Norris cole now but before that most the season Payne was injured so their backup was a guy who no one knows and 2k character is probably a scarecrow. Oh and cameron Payne is great right? They ain't have a backup pg but they gotta all star pg why you ain't say that
The spurs have a great coach and really good players dude. All their players can short and they have guys who ppl don't know abt that doesn't mean they can't play. Adams oladip kanter and Payne missed games this season. Offensively Roberson is terrible dude. Their not excuses westbrook is the MVP. Take him off the thunder they would be like the Brooklyn "barely an nba team" nets. Take lebron off the cavs they'd have a good chance of still making the finals even more so cuz Lowry won't play in the playoffs. Yeah they lost duncan who was old yeah he still played well but he was old and also played like he was old at times. Okc lost kd and everyone thought they'd be garbage but their not
Read your first sentence. MVP also doesn't stand for Most Valuable Team neither. You can just as easily say the Thunder are at least in the Playoff race because of Westbrook.
I love it when Nelly is on!!! Need to make him a permanent!!!
You can't give Westbrook the MVP here's why.......James harden is 2 rebounds away from averaging a triple double he's way more efficient and doesn't have much more than Westbrook and harden is leading his team to victories and putting up numbers where as Westbrook is just putting up numbers
Matt Ryan no... Westbrook's PER numbers are much better. You're just wrong
Calvin Odom i got facts on my side so.... W?
PER doesn't mean anything. Its just how much you are involve in the game. Having higher PER doesn't mean anything, especially if you're team isn't winning.
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Sorry but when you lose 4 games in a row to mediocre teams and you are 7th in the West you can't be the MVP over Harden, Kawhi or Lebron. Stats only tell one part of the story.
Sentinel HDD
Exactly. You can be a stat machine all you want but if your team is losing, you can't be MVP especially when there are guys out there who are just as good and they are winning.
Here's a stat for you. Russel westbrook is leading the league in turn overs and is shooting below 45% from the field
Ravens Spurs Bayern Munich Fan That will never change wins mean everything when it come to MVP if it didn't then Curry wouldn't have won MVP over Harden in 2015 and Steve Nash wouldn't have won MVP in 2005 over Kobe but guess what? They did so wins matter.
EXACTLY. Stats dont mean much if you cant get the W.
topnotchblood he doesn't have the help harden Lebron and 🥝 has
Greatest Single Season Ever❤️
Shannon hates Westbrook for some reason. Maybe because he's passed LeBron in triple doubles already.
TheRealH2dut catch up in rings lil man
Calvin Odom L
Every time I see Nelly on ESPN I think about that "Uncensored Trash Talk Spoof" video
He lost, OKC are 7th seed and he plays 1 vs 5. This whole video is pointless. He won't get MVP over Kawhi and Harden
One thing that Nelly and Skip Bayless failed to understand is that MVP is the Most Valuable Player award. Its not the "Best Stats" award. Just because Westbrook is averaging a Triple Double and leading the league in points, he is not more "valuable" to his team than Harden, Kawhi, or Lebron. Being the "Most Valuable Player" means your importance to your team success.
Harden, Kawhi, and Lebron are much more "valuable" than Westbrook because at the end of the day, what matters more? Winning games or padding stats? The MVP award goes to a player who is the most valuable player to their respective team's success. Westbrook may be averaging a triple double, but its not equating to team success so he is not as valuable as Harden, Kawhi, or Lebron.
Putting up great stats is one thing, but if your team isn't as successful as the other teams, then you shouldn't be considered more valuable when the other three players are leading their teams to wins.
Joseph Ho I agree but triple double is unheard of n if u took him off team they would be lottery team. he has no help at all which makes it more impressive
Joseph Ho exactly, you can't be MVP of a bad team and expect to be league MVP.
do u even know what most valuable player means bro. put off russ off the team, they r a lottery team. when russ is on the bench, they start losing a lead or losing by a lot. they wouldnt even be in the play offs with out russ. harden is valuable to the rockets, but put him off and rockets are at least number 8 or lower but not a lottery team. put kawhi out, they are still in the play offs. its already proven that when russ is on the bench, okc is like the brooklyn nets. okc lose games when russ is not getting triple doubles. yes russ could get more assists, but harden doesnt have a big load up his back like russ does. russ gives 100% every game.
#1 in PER, #1 usage rate, #1 scoring, average a TD...
Hiaggo Fernandes yet hes not even top 5 seed in their division
I love how Nelly defend Westbrook but he never defend Kobe when he had nobody either..
Kobe did pass the ball when he had shaq, and the crew... And he also pass when pau came. He tried to pass but when u play with trash player and trash mindset u can't expect them to be better
Kenneth Bankhead lol probably
Damn Nelly could feed all of Africa with them earrings.
Jonathan Johnson stop stealing jokes "Arie spears said that"
He is MVP everyone knows it but there's sentiment in it
He's on a 4 game losing streak to bad teams. Nelly needs to hop off that triple-double nonsense
Jordan Ant are they only letting u show 3 videos on this channell ? that were just uploaded
Jordan Ant
The triple double stat is overrated
yeah
Jordan Ant when the last time it has been done....LBJ should be MVP every yr in my book....but Westbrook is monster....triple double that's history
Jordan Ant fr
"3-1 would be an insurmountable lead, maybe?"
Not if you're the Larriors
Westbrook is not the damn MVP. Don't tell me he doesn't have any shooters. When you shoot 25 shots per game, your teammates don't get much of a chance to get a rhythm. Russ had 3 teammates shooting better than 50% last night and NONE of them got more than 9 shots because RUSS SHOT THE BALL 39 TIMES!!! Plus, his team is a 7-seed. Gotta have better team success to be MVP.
Cornell Cannon you just contradicted yourself. you said that if the others don't get enough shots, they can't get into a rhythm (implying they won't have a good fg %) yet you then admit that a few of his teammates had over 50% shooting yesterday, each with less than 9 shots.
so you just contradicted yourself and destroyed your initial claim with your second .
yeah but westbrook shouldn't be close to outshooting his TEAM that's ridiculous also i get what he means how do you know if someone gonna get hot when they shoot the ball only 7 or 9 times (roberson and sabonis shot 7 times and oladipo shot 9 times) we don't know if they gonna catch fire or not if they barely shoot the ball
If your team is hot like that, they probably should've had more plays made for them. But Westbrook is the best stat-padder of all time and stats is all that matters I guess.
So hand out the MVP to Zaza Pichulia. He doesn't shoot much, his teammates are always involved and his team is 1st in th West.
So what were you saying
that was my argument for 2years with harden he was passing the ball even before he started going off this year in assists that's been my argument they said James harden didn't pass the ball but he had no shooters around him,but nobody saw that.
Westbrook should win without a doubt. everyone acts like he isn't clear cut the best player in the league right now. He has nobody and they're still a playoff team in the West. Its not like he plays in the weak east where'd the thunder would be 4th or 5th. ask yourself this. if you took the spurs, cavs, thunder,rockets and took LeBron,leonard,harden,westbrook all off their teams. I guarantee you the thunder would miss Westbrook more than any other team misses their superstar. he is the most important to his team. making him the most valuable. oh and he's averaging a triple double. that's crazy.
Trappy- Thank you
Nelly is good in that show. Clear talker.
To be real I believe da Beard n Russ should b co MVPS but Babyface Assassin handed every MVP candidate Ls this past week. And he has the best record. Just saying. #whosdarealMVP?
Russell Westbrook is a lone star in his team all the pressure of defense is on him and yet he average triple double.
Westbrook just a stat padder and he can't close games out, can't make his teammates better. Oladipo, Adams, Kanter, Gibson, McDermott, Roberson, N. Cole is a team 06 Kobe & 07 LeBron WISH they had.
Alijah Taylor facts
Alijah Taylor not in the West maybe in the The east
LMFAO! He's second in 4th quarter ppg and I think this season would be the 5th most ppg in the 4th quarter in NBA history. That team is trash. Half of adams points are assisted by Westbrook. 06 Kobe wouldn't even make the playoffs with this team. 07 LeBron would do more, but not Kobe don't even give him that credit.
Alijah Taylor yes that team way better then any cleveland team lebron had the first time he was in cleveland
you a hater
I'm nit a okc fan But Russell Westbrook is a BEAST
Lmao this love fest over a triple double has to stop. You should not be guaranteed an MVP just because you average a triple double. The irony here is Russ dropped 58 and the Thunder still took an L.
Jeff Fisher there is a reason it has not been done in such a long time the game is not as fast paced as it used to be, all the other guys are on great teams, I hated Westbrook but even I have to tip my hat to him not for the triple double but the fact that he's gonna drag the team as far as he can carry them
MJ dropped 63 and still lost. Point is MVP is an individual award, not a team award
Especially when you're stealing defensive rebounds from your bigs with no opponents in the area. It's bad basketball.
thepac12andbig10suck excactly y do they keep talking about team damn
Jeff Fisher so it's fought the team lost
I got James Harden for MVP with Kawaii a close 2nd, King James 3rd and Westbrook 4th based on who was most VALUABLE this season to they team
I don't care what people say. Kawhi Leonard is the 2017 NBA MVP.
More Clutch than Curry and Kevin Durant and Lebron and Harden
#Facts.
Warriors Blew a 3-1 Lead. call me when he averages at least 8 rebounds and 8 assists like bron, harden and westbrook
Nicholas Duch stats have deluded you. Kawhi is the best defender in the league. Recognise lol
Warriors Blew a 3-1 Lead. W/L
watch colin coward. Lebron should win it. Khawi is only makes a 1 point difference when on the floor. Lebron 15
Thunder blew a 3-1 lead.
Love how Skip praises RWB for scoring 13 and and being involved in 15 of the his teams points in the 4th but completely dismisses LeBron's 4th in 2013 when he scored 16 and involved in 22 of his team's points in GAME 6 of the NBA FINALS!!! SAVED BY RAY ALLEN
Westbrick:
42% usage rate (highest in NBA history, no wonder why he's getting triple doubles)
42% FG, "Westbrick"
1.8 Assist to turnover ratio (Trash)
Leads league in uncontested rebounds (Steals open rebounds that his bigs would normally get, only averages 2 contested rebounds per game, 8 uncontested)
Average defense
Poor basketball IQ
Poor shot selection
Poor pass selection (again, an abysmal 1.8 assist to turnover ratio)
Without his freak athleticism he'd be nothing.
"He's carrying his team" Against who? All the teams below the Thunder in the Western conference are below .500. You're not winning the MVP with less than 50 wins.
Jaccobtw lol idiot
Jaccobtw he's still an amazing player and is one of the top two players to get the MVP. His team is awful that is the reason why he does so much.
Jaccobtw he has a record high usage rating yet you don't take that into account when mentioning his higher than average turnovers ???
seems a little convenient that you don't factor that in, yet at the same time, use his high usage rate against him.
hmmm....
All these guys who are replying aren't looking at the big picture. Westbrook and Curry are two guys who are ruining basketball with their play styles. Now all people want to do now is jack up contested threes and steal rebounds from their big men to pad stats.
Add this in, why isn't he #1 in assists then if he is a PG with the highest usage rate of all time?
looking at the entire story, I can't help but have Westbrook #1 in the MVP race.
Shannon, you can't say Westbrook isn't passing the ball, he's averaging double digit assists.
he doesn't have anyone else on the team and they are still in the play-off race.
Westbrook; it's inevitable for him to run out of gas. He's doing extreme amounts of work.
I can't have Harden above Westbrook when he's doing that much work and still succeeding.
spurs have a overated max PF in aldrige
gasol is good but got older
old international players
D leaguers
let go players
and kawhi finds a way to work with them in synergy
i would give him MVP
they have a great record
the players he works with are not that special then houstons or thunders
also he plays D
Is Joy just there for the introduction? LOL
James Harden or Kawhi will win MVP
trevion sewell
Nelly at 5:55 like that's none of my business
Lebron automatically out the race. Harden for MVP. Kawhi runner up Westbrook very very close 3rd
King Joe can you at least give a reason? lol
cause Im a Lebron fan and I dont wanna hear people bitching for a whole year on every thread if he gets it because Westbrook is avr a triple double.
good point
I agree with Shannon 100% . an MVP wins and makes his team BETTER. MVP is supposed to make the right passes and be efficient with the ball .
Nelly was a kobe hater, so I don't like much of anything he has to say. lol
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What do you mean a kobe hater? What did he say what was considered hating?
Cool Loner haha, nope. I would rank Kobe a bit higher, what stops both of them from being the greatest is their finals losses to the underdog with their respected super teams, that never happened to Jordan,
@Cool Loner Duh
hey
Jennie RedRose rightt lol
Nelly's the smartest basketball analyst as an artist
James Harden is MVP
Westbrook can win it next year
Adam Leon James harden stats is 29 -11- 8 and they sleeping on that why?
lander88
Exactly
Adam Leon no
I agree. I'm a Spurs fan and Kawhi never gets the credit he deserves but this year he had a slow start, and it's hard to win an MVP with popovich because right after those 4 straight 30 point games he just sat one out. I got Harden winning it, not in a landslide, but if he leads the league in assists and keeps his team top 3 (basically guaranteed) he deserves it. However kawhi has a chance if he takes 1 in the west and keeps playing the lights out, I just see him slowing down soon.
Nelly the real MVP!!
HARDENMVP
RIFKIN 666 no
Stev4e897 yes
RIFKIN 666 lol what a delusional idiot
Damn Nelly turned into an analyst now. He's become a regular on Fox now. Nice transition from music I'm just wondering what his sports background is.
Kawhi has Aldridge and that's it Westbrook has Adams, Kanter and Oladipo
fritzyness kawhi has a lot more than just aldridge
John Jean yes Westbrook does have a better team than Kawhi
fritzyness And Aldridge is putting up numbers comparable to Avery Bradely.
***** pau gasol is 38 and doesn't play defense
fritzyness stop talking nonsense . "Kawhi has Aldridge" Aldridge incapable of making an open shot he's struggled this year big time.these last couple ofgames he's improving which is good, but this year our second best consistent player has to be David Lee lol
long time no see, Kenan looking better
Russell is kids MVP. LeHelp is kids GOAT. It's a snowflake thing. It's cool. Its logical. Kawhi is mens MVP. MJ mens GOAT.
jacob sibcy better than MJ? lmao nah
consecutive x4 championship,x4 finals mvp and try to stop throwing tantrums every time his team is not cool enough, I think that will do.
My favorite comment all season thoo. Kawhi is the real mvp then Harden and/or Westbrook
Jaja Pejulier L😂😂😂
He will also retire with more games and seasons than Jordan, so stat totals are for the most part going to favor LeBron. Averages is what counts. He will average more rebs and assists, but not points and steals.
The first title run with the cavs was pretty good, but overhyped too. Lebron played the first 2 rounds vs teams who didn't even have a winning record. He did take over with Detroit, but they were only like the 5th best team in the league.
Shannon spitting factts
People who hate on Westbrook don't now anything about basketball
thekiddsean330 Westbrook doesn't know anything about basketball. No basketball iq whatsoever
People who think Westbrook is MVP don't know anything about basketball.
Actually its the other way around. No one is hating on Westbrook. Its just there are players who contribute more to their teams' success. Having great stats is one thing but if your team is sitting in the 7th spot, then you're not as valuable as players who's team has the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best record in the NBA.
thekiddsean330-I agree with you! You have idiots that preach that he doesn't make his team better, and call him a stat padder to discredit anything Westbrook does, but forgets the fact that he's literally carrying his team. Westbrook is almost averaging a triple double every game, but he still a ball hogger to most people. You Westbrook haters disgust me
Matthew Davis mic drop
Westbrook has been balling all season out of his mind.
Westbrook's triple doubles are blinding people. he's not the MVP
Yeah it is blinding people and making them look ignorant. Their argument is "triple doubles" but if its not leading to wins, then you are not as valuable as the players who are leading their teams to more success.
Joseph Ho the Spurs have better players than okc, so do the rockets and obviously the cavs do. That is the reason why they have better records. I guarantee you if you put Westbrook on the Spurs or rockets they would do similarly.
Joseph Ho It is leading to wins. They have a much better win % when he gets a triple double.
26-6 when he gets a triple double... He does the most for his team, therefore he is the most valuable.
And your acting oblivious to the triple doubles. Why isn't he MVP ?
Okc has a good roster I think KD leaving is more of a mental thing that he has no help. But he's actually does he just has to use them. Adams, kanter would be great in some other organizations and oladipo was great in Orlando. They're not bad players just not used enough on offense
Westbrook MVP
It says a lot about Nelly’s musical knowledge that the most relevant example he could think of was The Jackson Five.
The only reason Westbrook is relevant is because of his triple double STAT line. If he averages 30-8-11, he isn't even top 5 in MVP conversation.
AugDuckScout so true bro.. so true 👏👏👏
SuperPunch76 because that's his main argument. He is good, but has taken the most shots in the NBA and has a low fg percentage, has a bad team who may end up an 8th seed, and has a losing record against playoff teams. Not advocating for any candidate, but his triple double doesn't impress me because it's just a stat that at the end of the day is just a cool little trivia question.
He's been a mvp candidate past 2 years lol
Javier Pina you mean last year when Kevin Durant carried him to a good record?
Young Man Lebron is just that much better.. Westbrook is a S500 Lebron is a Maybach lol
Now victor is an all star😂😂😂
Why is Lebron ahead of Isaiah??? They just lost to the heat twice. Lebron is so overrated
and neither Nelly nor Shannon would bring dat up, he has all the help in Lebron and still lost back to back to an 8th seed team, wow, smh
I'm NOT a lebron fan but to say a dude that is the engine for 2 different teams going to the finals and he's gone 6 straight times is overrated is ridiculous.
RetroMamba How is the best player in the league overrated ?
Why are Kobe fans always obsessed about Lebron? Lol
philip brown Obviously y'all do if y'all always mentioning him. Y'all mention him more than curry haters mention curry lmao
I value Nelly's opinion over everyone else at the table
Russell westbrick is not winning MVP
lol
I wish I could go on ESPN/FOX and explain why Westbook is overrated.
Westbrook is overrated
Elias Mina how lmao
Elias Mina You smokin flakka
Explain how hes overrated?
Blank Blank Stat padder
the man shot 54% with 58 pts, somehow getting 10 assists per game this season when OKC are a very poor shooting team
props to nelly
Nelly make good points
Westbrook has To WIN MVP
I like how Nelly stuck to his point of view. Ath the end they tried turning on him. But hes right that teem is built for him
Nelly "can't get past the triple-double", yet Westbrook is handed plenty of uncontested rebounds, leading the league in those and impoving on average by a few in those compared to last year. #64 in contested and only a few tenths improvement compared to last year. I.e. the stats are somewhat fabricated. Deducting a few of those uncontested REB's, no more trip-dub, Russ still MVP? That said, even with the trip-dub, what's the *value* in that without wins? Most valuable to his team yes, but so what... Pretty sure Cavs, Rockets and Spurs would be in a bind without their MVP candidates as well... Difference is they're getting W's. Maybe a more stacked team, but still, W's should count more than stats.
ntnnot it doesn't matter what the other team does he goes out and gets it done in the matter of triple double go out and try to get a triple dub in a high school game or college or even a pick up game and you will know how hard it is if you play against actual competition
Nelly and Shannon both had good points.
he called this man Randy lmao