I really like that you add technical data to your video's for example ball diameters and bore diameters. Keep up the great video's, they help me considerably.
You are verry fortunate to live right where in my opinion the best replica firearms are made. Ubertis are hard to come by here but they are well worth the trouble to find them. Thanks for showing the original Colt Ive never seen one being fired so that was great. Keep that camera rolling im a big fan of the cap and ball revolvers.
Thanks for an excellent & detailed review. Really excellent that you gave details of both guns & the loads & ball size. Congratulations on your English which is perfect my friend!
Thank you for your information.I greatly appreciate your very well detailed information.Surprisingly, these things are often either unknown or not available in much of US books & magazines on subject.Ex: Only some of more advanced collectors I've spoken with were aware of Colt's change of steel formula you mentioned.Keep up your interesting videos
Nice to see an original 1860 in action! I don't understand collectors who say you should never fire such a gun? As long as it is loaded lightly and cleaned lightly there should be no problem. Do they think these guns were made out of balsa wood and tissue paper? Have more faith in Samuel Colt!
They aren't stainless steel either and many of them were used hard and hardly cleaned. The originals are a long way from being new. That means you may have hidden rust deposits that can turn a high priced toy into shrapnel.
Agree 100%. I have an original third model in fantastic condition. I have recently had it serviced with a few internal parts being replaced and the cylinder retimed. Mechanically it is as it was when it left Sam's factory in 1859. But I would never fire it.
Realistically, if the barrel, cylinder and the wedge are in good shape and you use reasonable loads there is not much change you'd damage the pistol. However, I and, I'm sure, other people don't like taking chances with something that valuable. That's the reason I don't shoot mine. Also taking it apart and cleaning is not something I enjoy ;)
Thanks for the bore view of the original Colt rifling. Roughly estimating the rifling twist based on degrees of rotatiion in an 8" barrel, The original Colt rifling appears to have been about 1:24" in the last 3" of barrel, and about 1:48" in the first 5" of barrel. The "apparent" twist would be about 1:32" which may explain why so many early replicas had that rifling twist. An original's measured "gain-twist" rifling would seem to be 1:32" instead of its actual 1:24" final twist.
The Uberti Dragoons (since 2002) have 1:18" twist rifling and will shoot full-charged conicals very accurately. A full 50gr charge under a round ball in a Dragoon can hit around 1300 fps, allowing a round ball to "skid" in the fast rifling twist. The conical's much longer bearing surface will securely grip the fast rifling even at 1100+fps. You likely have a Pietta Remington, with slower 1:30" rifling, which will not let the ball's short bearing suface "skid" even at 1200fps.
Thanks for posting this. I have an 1860 Colt replica that I shoot regularly, but this is the first I've seen someone actually shoot an original & comparing to a replica (good groups by the way).
The 1860 could not use the same "load" as the Walker or Dragoon revolvers. The walker could handle a 60gr charge of powder behind a roundball, the Dragoon would take 50gr, and the 1860 would shoot a max charge of around 35 grains. Aside from that comment, this was a good video. And it is great to see someone enjoying and sharing an original colt.
Zardoch on the originals, yes. They had iron cylinders. Today's reproductions use steel that metallurgically makes the "silver spring steel" that colt began using in the 1860 army look like aluminum. With the extra strength of modern steel, the Walker replicas can be charged to full all day long.
Zardoch actually, the originals could handle it and more. If was because of the gun heating up and it not given time to cool down. The metal became softer and it resulted in ruptures. And again it was because metallurgy wasn’t as good back then. The newer ones can definitely handle it, and all day long, the only part that my got not take it so well is the wedge.
I think what he meant to say was that power levels were similar. True enough about the cylinder volumes. Walkers 60 grains, dragoons 50 grains armys 35 grains. But because of the pistol lenght barrels the performance of the army was close enough for government work. With full charges the walker might get another 100 fps. At close combat distance it wouldnt make that much difference. The better handling and lighter weight of the army would more than make up the difference. John Davis jax fl
Awesome vid! Loved that you compared the two. I have an 1851 Navy 44 Pietta and it's an amazing firearm and use it as a home defense weapon even though I have a Sig SP2022 9mm. It's been extremely reliable along with my Remy 870 12 gauge as a backup.. I guess I have a thing for the oldies. Thanks for posting!
Modern smokeless powder offers high velocity, so that relatively small bullets get a great power (f.e. 357 magnum). Old black power couldn't get that speed so big bore bullets were needed to achieve enough power
Great looking 1860! I see that it has notched ballistic shields and a notched back strap, but no fourth stud screw on the frame. Many Colt 1960 Army revolvers left the factory only partially equipped to take the unpopular shoulder stock. I have one that is the opposite of this, it has the notched ballistic shields, a four screw frame, but no notch in the back strap.
Do you know what year your uberti was made ? mine was made in 1970 and wandering if any changes to the gun were made since 1970. I have been shooting .451 round balls w/ 25gn. 3F Goex. I would like to try your load to compare . I have the same brass mold you have , did you use that mold ?
From what I gathered online the earlier colt models were made from wrought iron, hence the weak cylinders possible due to silicone inclusions. When the 1860 came out it was made from steel and much stronger allowing for flutted cylinders, .44 calibers, and a huge reduction in weight. The dragoons weighed 4.2lbs while the 1860’s that replaced it weighed 2.6lbs. Yet in .44 cal. A big step up from the iron 1851 model in .36cal.
absolutely AMAZING video! Is the lockup on the cylinder of your original tight? Is the timing still good? There is an original 1860 army at my local store for 1200$ cad, is this a reasonable price?
Was my understanding that the Walker used 60 grains and the dragoon was 40 or 45 grains and the army was 35 to 40 grains? I only ask since you said they are the same.
Very Good Video. The Original Revolver in most ways is superior to Replicas, with better Progressive, or Gain Twist Rifling, Bigger caliber and Load ports that are correctly sized to take Conical Bullets which the 1860 was designed to shoot, not round balls a modern invention as well as "Lawyer" Loads"; Originally loads went in the 30+ grains including 40. The 19th century powder(Hazard) was hotter than today's Swiss, it was in-between 3 and 4 FFFFG. Piettia makes also an excellent replica.
I congratulate you on your excellent "grouping", with both, the original Colt & the Uberti! (Sad to say, that I was never quite so good, with any of my C&B replicas!) Keep your powder dry!
Very well done video with terrific information. It is so nice to watch and listen to a video where the author knows what he is talking about. Excellent, and well done. Thank you.
Couple of corrections, 1860 won't hold the 50 to 60 grains the Dragoon and Walker did plus the Walker had a 9" barrel, 1" longer than the 1860. Still, a great video. Thanks.
Awesome! I have one of the Runnin Irons coming also in the 3-1/2" barrel in .45 Colt they sent me a 4-3/4" last week I unboxed it and was bummed out they sent the wrong pistol it is a Deluxe model man was it smooth I had to box it back up and ship it right back to Taylor's now the gunsmith is out for a couple weeks so I won't get it for a month now!
What is the gap between the drum and barrel in the original ? And what , in its replica ? What was the opening of the new Colts , there are some old information on this?
Hi. I want a ”short” pre 1890 revolver that is not total crap, but useable. Any hints? Swedish sellers can not guarrantee usability, and that sucks. Pre 1890 does not require license here, but still I want something that works, not just a jewel. I am engineer.
Thanks, I appreciate explanation. I know there are moulds currently being made duplicating original conical bullet. Is there anyone that sells these bullets already cast?I did find some round nosed(not round balls) .454 pure lead bullets, that shot quite well in both Rem & Colt repros. Unfortunately, caster no longer in business. Originals had a slightly pointed bullet, and these types, as precast bullets, don't seem to be available.
Robert Walters :) Not really. It is an original :). By the way. There were many ways for a civil war gun to come to Europe/ Hungary. 1st: After the Civil War the huge number of American guns were shipped to European countries by private contractors. 2nd, the usual way: this piece came from Germany, from a collector.
Robert Walters I found an original 1851 Navy in Colorado. I sold it for $20 bucks for a bus ticket back to town. I picked up some awesome beer and made friends with a couple a girls who were giggling to them selves.
I have to digress about the progressive rifling in the original 1860 Army Colts, as far as I know progressive rifling was present in the Remington 1858 New Model Army revolver in .44 caliber. Some newly manufactured replicas of the Colt might have progressive rifling but not the originals.
Thanks for putting up a great video, and you're quite handsome ;-)...but a question: When shooting the Uberti in the video, there was an odd sound immediately after firing: It sounded like a spring going "doing-doing-doooiinngg..." Every shot had this, do you know what might cause that?
Beth InEverett I imagine it is echoes from the walled shooting range, possibly bouncing back and forth between two opposite walls. Also corrugated metal can cause echoes similar to that when the sound bounces off at a shallow angle. It sounds to me like this shooting range is in a city or town area... seems like road traffic sounds in the background.
3 common types of handguns Automatics-Cartrige energy used to rechamber fresh round, ex:M1911, Glock Revolver-Cylinder, spinning on access, to index fresh round, using muscle energy of shooter,ex: "Peacemaker", Ruger Security Six Single shot-Barrel usually integral w/chamber, requiring sequenced protocol to reload. ex:Thompson/Center Contender Hickok doesn't recognize revolvers are revolvers regardless of where single or double action, or both.This is a basic error. Satisfied?
Nice groups! I have the Uberti 1860 on order from Taylors & Co. and also a Remington 1858 both are on backorder :( I have my 1849 Pocket, and Ruger 5-1/2 Old Army that I'am shooting until the other two arrive:) I have conversion cylinders for both 32 S&W for the 1849 & 45 Colt for the Ruger I have been loading black powder loads to fire through them it is a lot of fun!
Without a doubt the chambers were at one time, long ago, closer to the replica diameter even if not exactly the same. It was undoubtedly very close. Years and years of use, and who knows how many shots fired, will have some wear on the chambers. It is risky to even use this gun at all without a replacement cylinder due to the damage. I would keep the original but find another original replacement cylinder. They can be found. Many collectors also collect vintage parts and parts guns that are damaged in some way but where the cylinder might be just fine.
I recently obtained a Colt 2nd Gen 1860 Army. Until then, I only had Walkers and Dragoons. It was a wonderful surprise to feel the graceful and sleek, half the weight of the Dragoons, beautiful balance of this thing. Firing it was nice too. Accurate and powerful with a pleasant 'kick'. The Dragoons outshot it though. Not surprising. However, there s a shoot report from the 1860s where the Government shows it outshooting the Dragoon! Don t know what s up with that. I think Colt had something to do with it in a move to market the newer Army. He was known for his v e r y aggressive marketing methods etc.
Good ol Colt New Model Army. I have 3 now. Authentic Colt standard, Authentic Colt fluted and my most recent addition, Colt Signature Nickel plated. I have a breech stock for them as well. I tested the 60 and the Dagoon. The Dragoon smoked the 60. Colt claimed his new 'silver steel' Army outperforms the Dragoon. Well, since both of mine are made of the same steel , , m a y b e , .
I was under the impression the 1860 Army was used with 30 grain charges of black powder while the Colt Walker and Dragoon used 60 and 50 grain charges, how could the 1860 Army produce the same power? Thanks!
While the Walker and Dragoons could physically hold that much powder, the " standard service loads" were 50gr and 40gr respectively . Literally the save velocities aka energies ? No . Same practical usefulness , of being able to create same wound channels in humans , and completely penetrate Cavalry horses at usual engagement distances ? Yes
I recently came into an 1860 army. It's in impressively good condition, so much so that I thought it was a fake until I had Colt verify it. Mfg in 1862. Don't think I'll ever shoot it, just worth too much to take that chance
Calculated kinetic energy is isolation is not a great indicator of effectiveness, particularly in the black powder contect . And the numbers varied greatly from gun to gun, and load to load . That said, here are some broad generalizations : .36 - 100 to 150 ft lb .44 - 200 to 350 ft lb
Pure Target competitors often use 15 to 18gr of powder, with coresponding corn meal fill for maximum accuracy . The standard Service Load back in the day was a nominal 30grs . Measuring of actual Civil War era mass produced paper cartridges shows 22-28grs of powder, and conical bullets between 200-240grs .
In a way I'd like a Walker because you can put sixty grains of powder behind a lead ball _but_ the original design was to weak and often failed with full loads and the loading lever tended to drop when it shouldn't. I also know that the US military dropped the 45 Colt loads down a bit because it turned out everyone was happier with a slightly lighter load. This load ended up being duplicated for the 45 auto. Torn between more power good! and brains which say to much gun is hard to shoot and hurts the hand!
The US Military adopted the S&W Schofield revolver as a secondary handgun in 1874 . So at that point , all the Gov't ammunition was loaded in the shorter case that could be used in either gun . In the brief time between the Schofield being removed from service , and the Army adopting the .38 Long , the issue .45 ammo was loaded with 30gr of powder ( vs 35-38 in civillian ammo) . When the US Military briefly adopted the M1909 Revolver in .45Colt , the smokeless ammo was spec'ed at 725fps +/- 25fps .
Why didn't you test fire elongated bullets with the Civil War time charge? I'm sure that the result would have been quite different. A gun cannot be distinguished from its ammunition, otherwise your conclusions about its accuracy may be false. Peter Schiffers(author of Civil War revolvers, myth vs. reality) test fired an original Colt Model 1860 with a high powder charge and elongated bullets, and the Colt ranked only 10th among twenty Civil War revolvers.
+Peter Toutan Beauregard : Yes he did, but he must be a very strange person to get the results he got on his tests, they just do not equate to the real world, perhaps he was having a bad day when he tested the Colts!
Small changes in internal dimensions can have big differences in performance if using standardized components . Witness in this video , one gun had .457 throats and bore, and the other had .449, and .450 , so he used .457 and .451 projectiles respectively . If he had instead used a one size fits all load , the .457 gun would have had noticeably worse accuracy, and lower velocities . As to actual wartime effectiveness , the late Elmer Keith was friends with some Civil War veteran Cavalrymen , who also were gun savvy . They all gave similar results of their wartime experiences , and similar conclusions for both .36 and .44. . Issued paper cartridges with conical bullets were superior for complete penetration through Cavalry horses , and " Foraged " cattle . When they had opportunity before an engagement to leisurely load their Revolvers , round balls with full charge of loose powder gave better results on enemy Cavalry Men .
It is what we know as corn meal. It is used as filler on top of powder. The purpose is to get the ball as close to the top of chamber as possible. It will really help with the accuracy. It will take a different amount based on your powder charges.I use two measuring tubes one set for powder and the other for the meal. In my colt navy 20 grains of black 8 grains of corn puts ball flush with chamber mouth.
Rapine used to make molds for original-style revolver conicals, but is long out of business. You could join "The Percussion Revolver Yahoo Group" that I moderate. There is a member there named Kaido Ojama who casts C&B revolver concials for sale to the public. Check out the YT site of "Duelist1954" for very impressive video tests of the 240 & 255gr Kaido conicals in a Ruger Old Army and Uberti Colt 1860. Those tests confirm the brute killing power of the C&B 6-shooter.
The late Elmer Keith experemented with, and hunted extensively with original C&B revolvers . He considered the .36 round ball as superior on game to .38 Special round nose , and the .44 round ball as similar to .44 Special, .45acp, etc .
I really like that you add technical data to your video's for example ball diameters and bore diameters. Keep up the great video's, they help me considerably.
Very thorough review of two fascinating pieces! Keep up the good work. I'll be subscribing.
You are verry fortunate to live right where in my opinion the best replica firearms are made. Ubertis are hard to come by here but they are well worth the trouble to find them. Thanks for showing the original Colt Ive never seen one being fired so that was great. Keep that camera rolling im a big fan of the cap and ball revolvers.
Thank you for the explanation on paper cartridges, as well as the demonstration of their various forms. Great video
Thanks for an excellent & detailed review. Really excellent that you gave details of both guns & the loads & ball size. Congratulations on your English which is perfect my friend!
Thank you for your information.I greatly appreciate your very well detailed information.Surprisingly, these things are often either unknown or not available in much of US books & magazines on subject.Ex: Only some of more advanced collectors I've spoken with were aware of Colt's change of steel formula you mentioned.Keep up your interesting videos
Nice to see an original 1860 in action! I don't understand collectors who say you should never fire such a gun? As long as it is loaded lightly and cleaned lightly there should be no problem. Do they think these guns were made out of balsa wood and tissue paper? Have more faith in Samuel Colt!
They aren't stainless steel either and many of them were used hard and hardly cleaned. The originals are a long way from being new. That means you may have hidden rust deposits that can turn a high priced toy into shrapnel.
Agree 100%. I have an original third model in fantastic condition. I have recently had it serviced with a few internal parts being replaced and the cylinder retimed. Mechanically it is as it was when it left Sam's factory in 1859. But I would never fire it.
because with every shot it loses it's worth in dollars. that's why.
Realistically, if the barrel, cylinder and the wedge are in good shape and you use reasonable loads there is not much change you'd damage the pistol.
However, I and, I'm sure, other people don't like taking chances with something that valuable.
That's the reason I don't shoot mine.
Also taking it apart and cleaning is not something I enjoy ;)
Fone Star they belong in a museum!
Thanks for the bore view of the original Colt rifling.
Roughly estimating the rifling twist based on degrees of rotatiion in an 8" barrel, The original Colt rifling appears to have been about 1:24" in the last 3" of barrel, and about 1:48" in the first 5" of barrel.
The "apparent" twist would be about 1:32" which may explain why so many early replicas had that rifling twist. An original's measured "gain-twist" rifling would seem to be 1:32" instead of its actual 1:24" final twist.
Fascinating. It was interesting to learn how improvement in steel affected gun construction and about the early paper cartridges.
Great shooting. It's nice to see a gun of that age still doing that well. Thanks.
The Uberti Dragoons (since 2002) have 1:18" twist rifling and will shoot full-charged conicals very accurately. A full 50gr charge under a round ball in a Dragoon can hit around 1300 fps, allowing a round ball to "skid" in the fast rifling twist. The conical's much longer bearing surface will securely grip the fast rifling even at 1100+fps.
You likely have a Pietta Remington, with slower 1:30" rifling, which will not let the ball's short bearing suface "skid" even at 1200fps.
Thanks for posting this. I have an 1860 Colt replica that I shoot regularly, but this is the first I've seen someone actually shoot an original & comparing to a replica (good groups by the way).
Your experience parallels my own with the cap and ball.
The 1860 could not use the same "load" as the Walker or Dragoon revolvers. The walker could handle a 60gr charge of powder behind a roundball, the Dragoon would take 50gr, and the 1860 would shoot a max charge of around 35 grains.
Aside from that comment, this was a good video. And it is great to see someone enjoying and sharing an original colt.
True what you say. I still think I would be reluctant to charge the Walker to it's full potential, due to their nasty habit of exploding cylinders...
Zardoch on the originals, yes. They had iron cylinders. Today's reproductions use steel that metallurgically makes the "silver spring steel" that colt began using in the 1860 army look like aluminum. With the extra strength of modern steel, the Walker replicas can be charged to full all day long.
Zardoch actually, the originals could handle it and more.
If was because of the gun heating up and it not given time to cool down.
The metal became softer and it resulted in ruptures. And again it was because metallurgy wasn’t as good back then.
The newer ones can definitely handle it, and all day long, the only part that my got not take it so well is the wedge.
Thank you. I saw a tool do a video on the dragoon and short changed the powder. Might as well be shooting the army for load he used
I think what he meant to say was that power levels were similar. True enough about the cylinder volumes. Walkers 60 grains, dragoons 50 grains armys 35 grains. But because of the pistol lenght barrels the performance of the army was close enough for government work. With full charges the walker might get another 100 fps. At close combat distance it wouldnt make that much difference. The better handling and lighter weight of the army would more than make up the difference.
John Davis jax fl
These Videos you make are fantastic - informative and enjoyable. Nice Job !
Very educational. Can anyone today imagine the horror of reloading any of those cap and ball firearms during battle? You have a very cool accent.
Awesome vid! Loved that you compared the two. I have an 1851 Navy 44 Pietta and it's an amazing firearm and use it as a home defense weapon even though I have a Sig SP2022 9mm. It's been extremely reliable along with my Remy 870 12 gauge as a backup.. I guess I have a thing for the oldies. Thanks for posting!
Modern smokeless powder offers high velocity, so that relatively small bullets get a great power (f.e. 357 magnum). Old black power couldn't get that speed so big bore bullets were needed to achieve enough power
Great looking 1860! I see that it has notched ballistic shields and a notched back strap, but no fourth stud screw on the frame. Many Colt 1960 Army revolvers left the factory only partially equipped to take the unpopular shoulder stock. I have one that is the opposite of this, it has the notched ballistic shields, a four screw frame, but no notch in the back strap.
Do you know what year your uberti was made ? mine was made in 1970 and wandering if any changes to the gun were made since 1970. I have been shooting .451 round balls w/ 25gn. 3F Goex. I would like to try your load to compare . I have the same brass mold you have , did you use that mold ?
The word cartridge comes from carta which means paper.
From what I gathered online the earlier colt models were made from wrought iron, hence the weak cylinders possible due to silicone inclusions. When the 1860 came out it was made from steel and much stronger allowing for flutted cylinders, .44 calibers, and a huge reduction in weight. The dragoons weighed 4.2lbs while the 1860’s that replaced it weighed 2.6lbs. Yet in .44 cal. A big step up from the iron 1851 model in .36cal.
Excellent video. Have you considered doing a full dis/reassembly video?
Great Video! Thanks a ton for posting. I've been debating whether or not I should shoot my original 1860
6:36 I NEARLY HAD A HEART ATTACK
absolutely AMAZING video!
Is the lockup on the cylinder of your original tight? Is the timing still good?
There is an original 1860 army at my local store for 1200$ cad, is this a reasonable price?
Was my understanding that the Walker used 60 grains and the dragoon was 40 or 45 grains and the army was 35 to 40 grains? I only ask since you said they are the same.
Very Good Video.
The Original Revolver in most ways is superior to Replicas, with better Progressive, or Gain Twist Rifling, Bigger caliber and Load ports that are correctly sized to take Conical Bullets which the 1860 was designed to shoot, not round balls a modern invention as well as "Lawyer" Loads"; Originally loads went in the 30+ grains including 40. The 19th century powder(Hazard) was hotter than today's Swiss, it was in-between 3 and 4 FFFFG. Piettia makes also an excellent replica.
Sweet Colt man, I am envious. That's a lot of money your risking by shooting it lol but thanks. Good video.
I congratulate you on your excellent "grouping", with both, the original Colt & the Uberti! (Sad to say, that I was never quite so good, with any of my C&B replicas!) Keep your powder dry!
Very well done video with terrific information. It is so nice to watch and listen to a video where the author knows what he is talking about.
Excellent, and well done. Thank you.
Couple of corrections, 1860 won't hold the 50 to 60 grains the Dragoon and Walker did plus the Walker had a 9" barrel, 1" longer than the 1860. Still, a great video. Thanks.
I love the Uberti replica revolvers!
Awesome! I have one of the Runnin Irons coming also in the 3-1/2" barrel in .45 Colt they sent me a 4-3/4" last week I unboxed it and was bummed out they sent the wrong pistol it is a Deluxe model man was it smooth I had to box it back up and ship it right back to Taylor's now the gunsmith is out for a couple weeks so I won't get it for a month now!
Excellent video. Very informative. Thank you.
Beautiful revolver. Always wanted one of those!
good bullets ,incredible shooting!
Good overview! I'm eyeballing one of those Uberti Armys right now.
What is the gap between the drum and barrel in the original ? And what , in its replica ?
What was the opening of the new Colts , there are some old information on this?
I can't understand what your saying. 18 gr black powder and 18 grains of conwet? What are u using.... Can't understand you, thanks
I've got an authentic 1860 colt but i believe its parts are made by Uberti but its fitted and built at the colt plant
It's a coltberti.
Hi. I want a ”short” pre 1890 revolver that is not total crap, but useable. Any hints? Swedish sellers can not guarrantee usability, and that sucks. Pre 1890 does not require license here, but still I want something that works, not just a jewel. I am engineer.
Thanks, I appreciate explanation. I know there are moulds currently being made duplicating original conical bullet. Is there anyone that sells these bullets already cast?I did find some round nosed(not round balls) .454 pure lead bullets, that shot quite well in both Rem & Colt repros. Unfortunately, caster no longer in business. Originals had a slightly pointed bullet, and these types, as precast bullets, don't seem to be available.
Hey brother, awesome video, great information, thanks for sharing, keep looking up!
where in the world did you obtain an original 1860 Colt Army ???
I'd like to know too..especially because he is a native Hungarian as I hear so it would be extremely difficult for him to get one from the attic..
LOL ,that's a Uberti replica of an 1860 Colt, not an original !
Robert Walters :) Not really. It is an original :). By the way. There were many ways for a civil war gun to come to Europe/ Hungary. 1st: After the Civil War the huge number of American guns were shipped to European countries by private contractors. 2nd, the usual way: this piece came from Germany, from a collector.
***** Correction your grammar is bad. "is" not "are".
Robert Walters I found an original 1851 Navy in Colorado. I sold it for $20 bucks for a bus ticket back to town. I picked up some awesome beer and made friends with a couple a girls who were giggling to them selves.
I have to digress about the progressive rifling in the original 1860 Army Colts, as far as I know progressive rifling was present in the Remington 1858 New Model Army revolver in .44 caliber. Some newly manufactured replicas of the Colt might have progressive rifling but not the originals.
chapiiit08: The original Colt 1860 did have gain twist rifling. But you have to own one, or read to verify that, I have done both.
is the uberti 1860 colt better then pietta? i cant really tell the difference since theirs no videos of them 2 vs each other
Thanks for putting up a great video, and you're quite handsome ;-)...but a question: When shooting the Uberti in the video, there was an odd sound immediately after firing: It sounded like a spring going "doing-doing-doooiinngg..." Every shot had this, do you know what might cause that?
Beth InEverett I imagine it is echoes from the walled shooting range, possibly bouncing back and forth between two opposite walls. Also corrugated metal can cause echoes similar to that when the sound bounces off at a shallow angle. It sounds to me like this shooting range is in a city or town area... seems like road traffic sounds in the background.
Fuzzybeanerizer
Thank you, that makes sense. I shoot way out in the woods, so have never heard sound reflections (except from yonder canyon wall).
3 common types of handguns
Automatics-Cartrige energy used to rechamber fresh round, ex:M1911, Glock
Revolver-Cylinder, spinning on access, to index fresh round, using muscle energy of shooter,ex: "Peacemaker", Ruger Security Six
Single shot-Barrel usually integral w/chamber, requiring sequenced protocol to reload. ex:Thompson/Center Contender
Hickok doesn't recognize revolvers are revolvers regardless of where single or double action, or both.This is a basic error. Satisfied?
Excellent video , very good shooting also !
I enjoy your videos very much. You really know your stuff.
I appreciate your endeavor.
Nice groups! I have the Uberti 1860 on order from Taylors & Co. and also a Remington 1858 both are on backorder :( I have my 1849 Pocket, and Ruger 5-1/2 Old Army that I'am shooting until the other two arrive:) I have conversion cylinders for both 32 S&W for the 1849 & 45 Colt for the Ruger I have been loading black powder loads to fire through them it is a lot of fun!
Without a doubt the chambers were at one time, long ago, closer to the replica diameter even if not exactly the same. It was undoubtedly very close. Years and years of use, and who knows how many shots fired, will have some wear on the chambers. It is risky to even use this gun at all without a replacement cylinder due to the damage.
I would keep the original but find another original replacement cylinder. They can be found. Many collectors also collect vintage parts and parts guns that are damaged in some way but where the cylinder might be just fine.
Nice shooting there Tex. My .36 Navy will put them all in the same hole if I do my part.
Hi from France, very interesting vid, thanks .
I thought you said 80 grains...I was waiting for the gun to explode.
How deadly would you say the revolver would be vs a man in 10 meters distance and in one in 40 metes
What a great video,,, very well done...
Your using 18 grains of what exactly?
I recently obtained a Colt 2nd Gen 1860 Army. Until then, I only had Walkers and Dragoons. It was a wonderful surprise to feel the graceful and sleek, half the weight of the Dragoons, beautiful balance of this thing. Firing it was nice too. Accurate and powerful with a pleasant 'kick'. The Dragoons outshot it though. Not surprising. However, there s a shoot report from the 1860s where the Government shows it outshooting the Dragoon! Don t know what s up with that. I think Colt had something to do with it in a move to market the newer Army. He was known for his v e r y aggressive marketing methods etc.
To cosmoline... Where did you find the Uberti your looking at?
Good ol Colt New Model Army. I have 3 now. Authentic Colt standard, Authentic Colt fluted and my most recent addition, Colt Signature Nickel plated. I have a breech stock for them as well. I tested the 60 and the Dagoon. The Dragoon smoked the 60. Colt claimed his new 'silver steel' Army outperforms the Dragoon. Well, since both of mine are made of the same steel , , m a y b e , .
I was under the impression the 1860 Army was used with 30 grain charges of black powder while the Colt Walker and Dragoon used 60 and 50 grain charges, how could the 1860 Army produce the same power? Thanks!
While the Walker and Dragoons could physically hold that much powder, the " standard service loads" were 50gr and 40gr respectively .
Literally the save velocities aka energies ? No .
Same practical usefulness , of being able to create same wound channels in humans , and completely penetrate Cavalry horses at usual engagement distances ? Yes
Need to compare the Civil War 1860 Colt to the 1860 Colt that was made in the 1970s
I recently came into an 1860 army. It's in impressively good condition, so much so that I thought it was a fake until I had Colt verify it. Mfg in 1862. Don't think I'll ever shoot it, just worth too much to take that chance
I also have an original 1860 that is identical to yours. Mine has a 5 digit serial number. What is yours?
I have put 50 grains of powder in my uberti 1860 replica might have been possible to use 60 but my powder measure only went to 50
If your using 50 grains in an 1860 army your a fool.Sorry for being so blunt.
Is a license required for the replicas un hungary?
I believe he said "corn-meal"; which iis often used as a filler between the powder and the ball.
Watching thst old horse fire was awsome
how come your uberti has such nice case colors, and only 3 screws like the original?
Love your videos.
awesome revolvers!!
Looking for a Lyman 310 hand press with dies 45cal.
where are you from?
Most Americans say Yewbirdy LOL!
How much energy has a bullet at the outlet ? I know it depends on the amount of powder. But theoretically, if you could give some value?
Calculated kinetic energy is isolation is not a great indicator of effectiveness, particularly in the black powder contect . And the numbers varied greatly from gun to gun, and load to load . That said, here are some broad generalizations :
.36 - 100 to 150 ft lb
.44 - 200 to 350 ft lb
very nice vid sir!! very complete
Hi from Malta. Great video.
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N o o oooo. It is black powder. NOT baby powder.
@ 6:40 heart attack!!!!
The Adventures of Huck Finn 1993.
Deputy Hines.
He has a Revolver.
Manufacturers specs on powder charge is way more than what you are putting in replica..Its 35 grains is spec not 12 to 18.
Pure Target competitors often use 15 to 18gr of powder, with coresponding corn meal fill for maximum accuracy .
The standard Service Load back in the day was a nominal 30grs . Measuring of actual Civil War era mass produced paper cartridges shows 22-28grs of powder, and conical bullets between 200-240grs .
In a way I'd like a Walker because you can put sixty grains of powder behind a lead ball _but_ the original design was to weak and often failed with full loads and the loading lever tended to drop when it shouldn't. I also know that the US military dropped the 45 Colt loads down a bit because it turned out everyone was happier with a slightly lighter load. This load ended up being duplicated for the 45 auto. Torn between more power good! and brains which say to much gun is hard to shoot and hurts the hand!
Dwight E Howell so was the Walker the 1800’s version of a .500 Magnum?
Sander van Duren No. The Walker was the magnum of all pistols until 1935 when the .357 magnum came out.
The US Military adopted the S&W Schofield revolver as a secondary handgun in 1874 . So at that point , all the Gov't ammunition was loaded in the shorter case that could be used in either gun .
In the brief time between the Schofield being removed from service , and the Army adopting the .38 Long , the issue .45 ammo was loaded with 30gr of powder ( vs 35-38 in civillian ammo) .
When the US Military briefly adopted the M1909 Revolver in .45Colt , the smokeless ammo was spec'ed at 725fps +/- 25fps .
Didn't show loading the original so you mess the whole video up
Why didn't you test fire elongated bullets with the Civil War time charge? I'm sure that the result would have been quite different. A gun cannot be distinguished from its ammunition, otherwise your conclusions about its accuracy may be false. Peter Schiffers(author of Civil War revolvers, myth vs. reality) test fired an original Colt Model 1860 with a high powder charge and elongated bullets, and the Colt ranked only 10th among twenty Civil War revolvers.
+Peter Toutan Beauregard : Yes he did, but he must be a very strange person to get the results he got on his tests, they just do not equate to the real world, perhaps he was having a bad day when he tested the Colts!
Small changes in internal dimensions can have big differences in performance if using standardized components .
Witness in this video , one gun had .457 throats and bore, and the other had .449, and .450 , so he used .457 and .451 projectiles respectively . If he had instead used a one size fits all load , the .457 gun would have had noticeably worse accuracy, and lower velocities .
As to actual wartime effectiveness , the late Elmer Keith was friends with some Civil War veteran Cavalrymen , who also were gun savvy . They all gave similar results of their wartime experiences , and similar conclusions for both .36 and .44. .
Issued paper cartridges with conical bullets were superior for complete penetration through Cavalry horses , and " Foraged " cattle . When they had opportunity before an engagement to leisurely load their Revolvers , round balls with full charge of loose powder gave better results on enemy Cavalry Men .
Which replicas have cast steel frames? I'll stay away from those.
Thank you for an interesting video.
Great vid... both guns are beauties...
what is corn wet? you mention it in several videos.
It is what we know as corn meal. It is used as filler on top of powder. The purpose is to get the ball as close to the top of chamber as possible. It will really help with the accuracy. It will take a different amount based on your powder charges.I use two measuring tubes one set for powder and the other for the meal. In my colt navy 20 grains of black 8 grains of corn puts ball flush with chamber mouth.
he said 18 grains of FFFg and 18 grains of something else.. corn powder?
Nice and instructive !!
Love the accent!
Rapine used to make molds for original-style revolver conicals, but is long out of business.
You could join "The Percussion Revolver Yahoo Group" that I moderate. There is a member there named Kaido Ojama who casts C&B revolver concials for sale to the public.
Check out the YT site of "Duelist1954" for very impressive video tests of the 240 & 255gr Kaido conicals in a Ruger Old Army and Uberti Colt 1860. Those tests confirm the brute killing power of the C&B 6-shooter.
LOL... at 6:38 I thought you'd shot the camera guy... XD
Target distance?
Can you use the cartridges for reproduction gun
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i had the impressions that early revolvers werent so lethal cause of slow speed of the bullet.
The late Elmer Keith experemented with, and hunted extensively with original C&B revolvers . He considered the .36 round ball as superior on game to .38 Special round nose , and the .44 round ball as similar to .44 Special, .45acp, etc .