Another great feature from Cap-Ball. It is almost impossible to find this quality of information on the Web. This gentleman should be writing articles for "Guns of the Old West". Or any other highly rated American gun Magazine. How he comes across these old guns in Hungary is amazing.
Hugh, what I know I learn from good old fashioned books, and I am always hunting for primary sources, 19th century literature. Thanks for the good words by the way.
@@capandball you take it to another level though!!! I mean I think of myself as obsessed abd pretty well educated. However I would never compare to your knowledge (or collection). Keep doing what you do. You make good stuff!!!
Love the detail you bring to your videos. As i get more into firearms i find the detail is what i am looking for, and your great camera work. Hope school is going well
The model is basically an 1851, regardless of the actual year of manufacture. The reproduction marketers went a long way to confuse the issue; sometimes calling 44’s “Navy”, which they never were. Ubertis are very nicely made and well worth the small extra cost over other repros.
Wonderful! Keep it up! Have you noticed how the plunger on the new Police travels further than the Pocket Navy? This results in a power and accuracy differences. I have 2 each of the new Police and Pocket Navy from The Authentic Colt Series. Two I fire and two I keep new. Curiously the original Authentic release models from Colt were going to be 6'' instead of 5.5''. I was surprised as to how powerful these were. I fire the round and elongated balls cast from the Colt molds. 3 pine boards at 50 yards. That s a long card table distance!
***** They make modern reproductions of the conversions. But because of the open top design they are limited to low pressure rounds like 38 special or 44 Colt.
I noticed that you were loading the revolvers without noticing where the Sprew of the cast lead ball was on the side of one of the one you loaded on camera for the repro. that could really change where the round lands, from what ive experienced with my flintlock rifle.
Good 'ol Colts patent repeaters of heavy pocket caliber! I love m! as I previously stated, I was quite surprised at the power of the little pocket masters! My favorite is the Colt Authentic BP Series Pocket Navy I have. It, strangly, has an oiled stock. Not the varnished type they typically have. Colt did strange things like this. Back in the day as well with the 80s production models. Anyway, I panicked a little when I mistakenly damaged the bluing while cleaning it. I ordered and received a 'replacement'. It has the varnished stock. It s b e a u t i f u l ! New in the box and in a condition as if it were never even handled!!!
The original performed way better than i expect. So, someone knows how the "caps jam action" problem was addressed back in the 19th century? The caps had a better fit back then?
I had a few original European caps in my hands and they had a tighter fit for sure, but how they worked? Who knows... I am sure that raising the pistol to vertical when cocking it can solve a part of the problem.
Bo Zo I blow in the barrel after each shot with all my single shot guns, but not the revolvers. As even if you have an empty chamber under the bore, the other chambers are still loaded... I don'T think it s safe.
Hi, a very informative and interesting video of the 1862 Pocket Navy, Thank you for posting your video. The Uberti Colts have a reputation of having the arbor too short where the wedge changes barrel/cylinder gap with different wedge pressure. I epoxy a couple of brass washers on the end of the Uberti arbor and file down the washer end until the gap is perfect and doesn't change no matter how much the wedge is hammered in. Regards, Richard
Good shooting video. However no Pocket Navy, or Pocket Revolver of naval caliber ever left the factory until 1865. Only the Pocket police was manufactured in 1862. The Pocket Navy was hastily produced after the fire in the Colt Factory in 1865.
Double trouble indeed. I have a Colt 1862 Pocket Navy and Police. I recently obtained the .36 Pocket models. Until then, my only experience was with the .31 Pockets. I was quite surprised as to the power of these larger Pockets. I can see how, in the day, they would have been quite popular!
I second the comments of Mr. Hugh Batesel; your videos are of high quality both in information content and production values. You would be a great asset to "Guns of the Old West". If the NRA publication "American Rifleman" published an article from you, it would be well received.
Hello I am Brazilian and I love the colt more here in Brazil I've never seen . I wonder if al in your country it is easy to find and the value. thank you
+16williamm Here in the US, because these are not listed as "Firearms", but antiques, or replicas of antiques... you can order them to your house. In Canada, they are treated like actual handguns and require the same amount of paperwork. Either way, they are common here.
Great videos, as always! I am curious. Why did the original Colt's have different dimensions in the chambers? What advantage was this? It would seem , from a manufacturing perspective, a constant diameter, such as on the Uberti, would be better. Also, what advantages does progressive rifling have over modern rifling methods? I've shot many of the reproductions, and their accuracy is quite good. Best regards, MiF
The New Model Pocket of Navy Caliber, there s no documentation showing it before 1863 . Whereas, the Creeping Lever Models were all out in mid1860. Colt personally designed the Creeping Lever Models. He doesn t speak of the Pocket of Navy Caliber. It very well may have come out after his death. A design by those who took over? Trying to bank on the popular Old Model Belt Pistol design? The pistol shared Serial #s with the New Police. The New Pocket didn t sell as many due to the War and Cartridge era. Btw, the Uberti is a replica (Someone other than the original/authorized maker fakes/copies it) by definition, and not a reproduction (original/authorized maker recreates a specific specimen of a particular model).
The Colt Company later used the common reference to .36 as a navy (not 'Naval') caliber by referring to the 'New Model Pocket...' as having 'Navy Size Calibre'.
As with all of your videos I have watched, very well done my friend. Learning means so much to me. You Tube supplies most of my knowledge appetite. Peace brother from one BP shooter to another. Salutations from the United States.
Any chance to get a full load 2F black powder load ( no susbt ) with a 130 Lee or 145 Kaido bullet ? I'm curious about velocity you can get with this as i read with a 79 gr round bullet and 25 gr 2F its about 850 fps
2F by volume, you may be able to get nearly a full chamber. Because of the larger grains, the powder will compress quite a bit. I fire my Authentic Colt with the elongated ball from the Colt steel mold. It is about 145g. FFFg though. 17g. I don t know about fps, but at 50 yards, the ball goes through 2 pine boards spaced 1 1/4'' apart (this was a typical military target for determining lethality. One board through penetrated was considered lethal).
Yeah. Back in the day, these guns had to be made with the best quality/efficiency. Replicas today just don t need to be beyond simply safe. Afterall, no ones life depends upon them. It s just not taken seriously. Even the steel. It s softer and wears out a L O T sooner than the originals. Wedges etc.
Oddly, the Police outperformes the Navy. The rammer goes further into the chamber on the police, thereby compressing the powder more. It s more accurate too. Funny. Also, the elongated ball I was using was from the replica Colt style Navy mold. This ball wouldn t fit through the loading space of the P Navy. I got the actual Colt steel mold and this elongated ball goes r i g h t in. Nice. I m going back out soon to resume testing.
@@geffreybolster3780 Nice to read! I just aquired an original untouched Pocket Navy with low serial # and 5.5” barrel. It feels nice in the hand. I don’t know yet if I will start using it or rather go through the trouble to get a licens for a repro, it is required for repros here. It may not be a historically significant model but I really like the small size and light weight of it, and it and the Pocket Police seems surprisingly potent when watching them on youtube.
@@geffreybolster3780 BTW competition here in Europe for percussion revolvers seems to be at 25 metres standing, using one hand. It seems like quite a challenge!
***** Yes I didn't have a permit then and in my state no permit was needed for black powder so it was kinda like the old west but that was over 30years ago.
Another great feature from Cap-Ball. It is almost impossible to find this quality of information on the Web. This gentleman should be writing articles for "Guns of the Old West". Or any other highly rated American gun Magazine. How he comes across these old guns in Hungary is amazing.
Hugh, what I know I learn from good old fashioned books, and I am always hunting for primary sources, 19th century literature. Thanks for the good words by the way.
@@capandball you take it to another level though!!! I mean I think of myself as obsessed abd pretty well educated. However I would never compare to your knowledge (or collection).
Keep doing what you do. You make good stuff!!!
Love the detail you bring to your videos. As i get more into firearms i find the detail is what i am looking for, and your great camera work. Hope school is going well
Speed of the round ball?
I have a real one all the numbers match and I'm trying to get it appraised
Kind Thanks! This sure is a sweet pistol! One I shall own one day. Many Blessings and Good Shootin! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Thank you for this video
I love your channel
I bought the Uberti pocket navy and it quickly became my favorite in my back powder collection
The model is basically an 1851, regardless of the actual year of manufacture. The reproduction marketers went a long way to confuse the issue; sometimes calling 44’s “Navy”, which they never were. Ubertis are very nicely made and well worth the small extra cost over other repros.
Wonderful! Keep it up! Have you noticed how the plunger on the new Police travels further than the Pocket Navy? This results in a power and accuracy differences. I have 2 each of the new Police and Pocket Navy from The Authentic Colt Series. Two I fire and two I keep new. Curiously the original Authentic release models from Colt were going to be 6'' instead of 5.5''.
I was surprised as to how powerful these were. I fire the round and elongated balls cast from the Colt molds. 3 pine boards at 50 yards. That s a long card table distance!
Great info and great video.
***** They make modern reproductions of the conversions. But because of the open top design they are limited to low pressure rounds like 38 special or 44 Colt.
*****
Uberti makes open top conversions for 1858 New Model Army, 1861 Navy and 1851 Navy. All for .38 Spec only.
***** Keep in mind that they are only rated for standard 38 Special. Plus P loads are not recommended for them.
1957Shep j
I really like your vids Sir! I have noticed most of your reproductions are Uberti, not Pietta. Is there a reason? Thanks!
I noticed that you were loading the revolvers without noticing where the Sprew of the cast lead ball was on the side of one of the one you loaded on camera for the repro. that could really change where the round lands, from what ive experienced with my flintlock rifle.
Excellent and fun review. On the fence between an UBERTI or original newer COLT? Difference is >$300 plus. Is the extra cost worth the horse logo?
I love that these faithful reproductions are available, and very affordable!
Good 'ol Colts patent repeaters of heavy pocket caliber! I love m! as I previously stated, I was quite surprised at the power of the little pocket masters! My favorite is the Colt Authentic BP Series Pocket Navy I have. It, strangly, has an oiled stock. Not the varnished type they typically have. Colt did strange things like this. Back in the day as well with the 80s production models. Anyway, I panicked a little when I mistakenly damaged the bluing while cleaning it. I ordered and received a 'replacement'. It has the varnished stock. It s b e a u t i f u l ! New in the box and in a condition as if it were never even handled!!!
The original performed way better than i expect. So, someone knows how the "caps jam action" problem was addressed back in the 19th century? The caps had a better fit back then?
I had a few original European caps in my hands and they had a tighter fit for sure, but how they worked? Who knows... I am sure that raising the pistol to vertical when cocking it can solve a part of the problem.
***** Well, i always guessed that this "technique" was just a movie thing. Anyway thanks for the reply, and Keep up the good work :)
JhonnyB694 :) one thing for sure: not really and advisable method in city ranges
*****
That's something I already tried: changed the nipples to ones with 0.7 mm holes. Did not work...
Bo Zo I blow in the barrel after each shot with all my single shot guns, but not the revolvers. As even if you have an empty chamber under the bore, the other chambers are still loaded... I don'T think it s safe.
Hey, do these have safety pins between the cylinders for the hammer to rest on? Thanks!
Bravo for Uberti for the attention to detail making for a very faithful reproduction.
I used to have in 1860 army replica, it was a beautiful gun and fun to shoot.
Another wonderful presentation. Your ability to tell a story combined with interesting facts truly brings the history to life! Thanks.
Very interesting. So the chambers on the cylinder are smaller than the groove diameter in the bore?
yes, it seems like. quite unusual for colts.
It's awesome you have an original which can be used for detailed comparison.
Not mine unfortunately...
***** Well, I feel the same way.
Hi, a very informative and interesting video of the 1862 Pocket Navy, Thank you for posting your video.
The Uberti Colts have a reputation of having the arbor too short where the wedge changes barrel/cylinder gap with different wedge pressure. I epoxy a couple of brass washers on the end of the Uberti arbor and file down the washer end until the gap is perfect and doesn't change no matter how much the wedge is hammered in.
Regards,
Richard
Right on Richard! Great idea. That stupid base pin/barrel headspace issue is r e a l l y an issue in the larger pistols!
Good shooting video. However no Pocket Navy, or Pocket Revolver of naval caliber ever left the factory until 1865. Only the Pocket police was manufactured in 1862. The Pocket Navy was hastily produced after the fire in the Colt Factory in 1865.
Double trouble indeed. I have a Colt 1862 Pocket Navy and Police. I recently obtained the .36 Pocket models. Until then, my only experience was with the .31 Pockets. I was quite surprised as to the power of these larger Pockets. I can see how, in the day, they would have been quite popular!
is the cylinder gap gas an issue with these black powder guns like they are with modern revolers?
This video made me get a repro of this revolver. Just curious, what do you think of Pietta pistols in comparison to the Ubertis?
Capandball, have you ever gotten the chance to work with a confederate lemat revolver
Can you do the 1849 Pocket Revolver? It is Colts bestselling percussion revolver.
I second the comments of Mr. Hugh Batesel; your videos are of high quality both in information content and production values. You would be a great asset to "Guns of the Old West". If the NRA publication "American Rifleman" published an article from you, it would be well received.
Donna, I would be honoured to write an article for the magazine, just don't know how to proceed.
Hello I am Brazilian and I love the colt more here in Brazil I've never seen . I wonder if al in your country it is easy to find and the value. thank you
+16williamm Here in the US, because these are not listed as "Firearms", but antiques, or replicas of antiques... you can order them to your house. In Canada, they are treated like actual handguns and require the same amount of paperwork. Either way, they are common here.
Keith Larsen
more will be someone who can give me send it by some kind of imports company ?
Great videos, as always! I am curious. Why did the original Colt's have different dimensions in the chambers? What advantage was this? It would seem , from a manufacturing perspective, a constant diameter, such as on the Uberti, would be better.
Also, what advantages does progressive rifling have over modern rifling methods? I've shot many of the reproductions, and their accuracy is quite good. Best regards, MiF
The New Model Pocket of Navy Caliber, there s no documentation showing it before 1863 . Whereas, the Creeping Lever Models were all out in mid1860. Colt personally designed the Creeping Lever Models. He doesn t speak of the Pocket of Navy Caliber. It very well may have come out after his death. A design by those who took over? Trying to bank on the popular Old Model Belt Pistol design? The pistol shared Serial #s with the New Police. The New Pocket didn t sell as many due to the War and Cartridge era.
Btw, the Uberti is a replica (Someone other than the original/authorized maker fakes/copies it) by definition, and not a reproduction (original/authorized maker recreates a specific specimen of a particular model).
The Colt Company later used the common reference to .36 as a navy (not 'Naval') caliber by referring to the 'New Model Pocket...' as having 'Navy Size Calibre'.
I appreciate your videos. Very informative and well done.
fantastic video
Excellent! Very good accuracy and I assume the velocity of the projectiles is in the area of 250-300 meters per second. Keep up the good work.
Dale, I will make a videa about the comparison of the 1860 Army, 1861 Navy and 1862 Police. Muzzle velocity, energy and terminal ballistics.
I only wish they would produce the 1862 navy as a London model. Steel back strap and trigger guard.
Great vid!
Notice that grey insect taking a walk on the right side at 1:07 :)
As with all of your videos I have watched, very well done my friend. Learning means so much to me. You Tube supplies most of my knowledge appetite. Peace brother from one BP shooter to another. Salutations from the United States.
My original Pocket Navy measures larger in chambers than bore. It is all original parts.
How do you find combustiblie paper cartridges?
Make them by your own?
Any chance to get a full load 2F black powder load ( no susbt ) with a 130 Lee or 145 Kaido bullet ? I'm curious about velocity you can get with this as i read with a 79 gr round bullet and 25 gr 2F its about 850 fps
2F by volume, you may be able to get nearly a full chamber. Because of the larger grains, the powder will compress quite a bit. I fire my Authentic Colt with the elongated ball from the Colt steel mold. It is about 145g. FFFg though. 17g. I don t know about fps, but at 50 yards, the ball goes through 2 pine boards spaced 1 1/4'' apart (this was a typical military target for determining lethality. One board through penetrated was considered lethal).
Weird, It has the same rammer and loading lever than the 1851 colt models... but the cylinder is different. btw Nice vid, thanks.
The Uberti in the video has right hand twist rifling
Great info. I write a pair of gunfighter series and have leatned a lot from your videos.
It’s a shame the repros do not have the correct tapered chambers...
Yeah. Back in the day, these guns had to be made with the best quality/efficiency. Replicas today just don t need to be beyond simply safe. Afterall, no ones life depends upon them. It s just not taken seriously. Even the steel. It s softer and wears out a L O T sooner than the originals. Wedges etc.
the shape of the grips of the Uberti is not accurate to the original :(
Love the pocket Colts
Oddly, the Police outperformes the Navy. The rammer goes further into the chamber on the police, thereby compressing the powder more. It s more accurate too. Funny. Also, the elongated ball I was using was from the replica Colt style Navy mold. This ball wouldn t fit through the loading space of the P Navy. I got the actual Colt steel mold and this elongated ball goes r i g h t in. Nice. I m going back out soon to resume testing.
I ve discovered that properly loaded, they both perform i d e n t i c a l l y .
@@geffreybolster3780 Nice to read! I just aquired an original untouched Pocket Navy with low serial # and 5.5” barrel. It feels nice in the hand. I don’t know yet if I will start using it or rather go through the trouble to get a licens for a repro, it is required for repros here. It may not be a historically significant model but I really like the small size and light weight of it, and it and the Pocket Police seems surprisingly potent when watching them on youtube.
@@geffreybolster3780 BTW competition here in Europe for percussion revolvers seems to be at 25 metres standing, using one hand. It seems like quite a challenge!
As Always a great vid from Belaz (is that right spelling? )
Balazs is a bit better ;)
Ok thanks
I carried one of these years ago that I got from Dixie Gunworks.
You actually used it for concealed carry?
***** Yes I didn't have a permit then and in my state no permit was needed for black powder so it was kinda like the old west but that was over 30years ago.
1862? Pocket Navy is 1848 model.
The New Model Pocket pistol of Navy caliber, introduced in 1861 (1862 Pocket Navy) was built from the 1848 pocket frame. See?
Different caliber
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Another wonderful video, you're putting out some of the best and intelligent gun related content on the internet. Kudos! - Karl from InRange.Tv
Need to start rolling your own paper cartridges...speeds up the reloads.
He does roll his own.
Lindas armas
nice video
... what a beauty! :-)
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