The BIG bang behind Britain's iconic Spitfire & Hurricane, with firearms expert, Jonathan Ferguson

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  • Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
  • There's a very good chance you've heard of Britain's famous fighter aircraft that defended the skies of Britain, preventing Nazi invasion during the Second World War. But, have you heard of one of the key weapons that helped to make them quite so successful? Join Jonathan for a deep dive into the 20mm Hispano auto-cannon.
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    0:00 Introduction
    0:38 Cannon?
    2:40 IWM Spitfire
    5:35 Historical Context
    8:20 Ammo and Magazines
    13:45 Firing Process
    23:10 Evolution
    25:05 Outro
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  • @nicholasvaultonburg9152
    @nicholasvaultonburg9152 7 месяцев назад +900

    Note for the Royal Armouries editor: shoot for -6db to -3db for audio normalization. Most RA videos are rather quiet, but Jonathan's bit in this video is nearly inaudible on normal setups.

    • @Ndrew556
      @Ndrew556 7 месяцев назад +26

      I think they’re applying some sort of filter, maybe it was a busy day at the museum

    • @nicholasvaultonburg9152
      @nicholasvaultonburg9152 7 месяцев назад +92

      @@Ndrew556 No doubt a busy day. The RUclips presence is secondary (or tertiary, even) to foot traffic and the facility, so it's understandably low priority. However, the production quality otherwise, aside from Jonathan's class defining presentation, is overall highly polished. Just a quick audio correction before exporting would bring the RUclips page to top shape. Def some kind of filter, though not sure what.

    • @5Andysalive
      @5Andysalive 7 месяцев назад +33

      this must have been an accident. It's not normally this bad.

    • @Ndrew556
      @Ndrew556 7 месяцев назад +19

      @@nicholasvaultonburg9152 to isolate Jonathan’s voice from the background noise, I didn’t explain myself properly lol, as in “there was a lot of noise in the background so they isolated his voice”

    • @nicholasvaultonburg9152
      @nicholasvaultonburg9152 7 месяцев назад +13

      @@Ndrew556 Ahh, that'd make sense. Tough thing to clean up if that's the case. His voice does have the hints of a low pass filter.

  • @oscarxkee7921
    @oscarxkee7921 7 месяцев назад +266

    I like to think that Johnathan Ferguson, keeper of firearms and artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK, carried this to the table with his tiny curator arms

    • @Stevo_1998
      @Stevo_1998 6 месяцев назад +25

      Secretly under his blazer he actually has arms that rival Arnold Schwarzenegger
      Mans got biceps on top of his biceps

    • @alexroger6359
      @alexroger6359 6 месяцев назад +18

      One arm. He had the drum and belt feeders in the other.

    • @dvorgaz
      @dvorgaz 6 месяцев назад +6

      @@Stevo_1998 does that count as concealed carry ?

    • @clivemathieu9386
      @clivemathieu9386 4 месяца назад

      Wrecked

    • @haaxeu6501
      @haaxeu6501 Месяц назад +2

      you forgot "which houses thousands of iconic weapons from throughout history"

  • @orkstuff5635
    @orkstuff5635 7 месяцев назад +64

    Sweet presentation but can you do something with Jonathan's sound levels - listening on headphones I had to turn up Jonathan's spiel which left the IWM bit quite loud and the adverts bloody deafening. Other than that, pretty informative because I'd never have believed that drum mag would have fitted inside a Spitfire wing before seeing this vid.

  • @knightofarnor2552
    @knightofarnor2552 7 месяцев назад +56

    I approve of that thumbnail pun.

    • @XO_Keo
      @XO_Keo 7 месяцев назад +2

      Ohhhhh😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @samholdsworth420
      @samholdsworth420 7 месяцев назад +2

      Very punny 😅

  • @martinluton6513
    @martinluton6513 6 месяцев назад +43

    As an aviation guy rather than an arms guy it’s really impressive to hear the presenter, primarily an arms guy, have such a sound appreciation of both the engineering of the aircraft and the way it is operated.

  • @BradBrassman
    @BradBrassman 6 месяцев назад +78

    I have a 20mm hispano cannon shell and shell-head that was taken as a souvenir by my grandfather who was a Police Officer in rural Leicestershire during WW2. In rural areas there was no air raid warning system except for Police telephones and my father told me that, “ on one occasion a report of a lone enemy aircraft was telephoned in.” Indeed, in 1942 with the R.A.F. bombing of the historic towns of Lubeck and Rostock, there were a number of reprisal raids, which targeted places of cultural significance, known as Baedeker raids which was a series of aerial attacks in April and May 1942 by the German Luftwaffe on English cities during the Second World War. The name derives from Baedeker, a series of German tourist guide books, including detailed maps, which were used to select targets for bombing.
    After one such raid, a lone, fast twin engine aircraft was spotted in the area and my grandfather went out to investigate the report. Whether he saw the plane I do not know, but two Spitfires from somewhere close-by -possibly R.A.F. Newton- were scrambled to intercept and shot at the fleeing plane, which was obviously lost. The Spitfire by this time had these 20mm Hispano cannons and my grandfatherr picked up two spent cannon shells off the road which had been ejected from one of the fighters involved in the chase. Then, a little further down the road he spotted a piece of the tailplane a field, with the unexploded head of a 20mm cannon shell still lodged in it, which he also retrieved as a souvenir!
    These two spent cannon shells and accompanying shell head stood on the mantelpiece at my Nan's one of which is now in my care, along with the shell-head, which, slots neatly into the shell casing.
    Being interested in all things wartime as a youngster, I was always fascinated by these old shells which I used to pick up and examine every chance I got, and polished faithfully every Saturday after my shopping jobs for Nan! On one occasion when granddad was still with us, he told me to look at the end of the shell-head which had the letters BMARC on it which he told me, was British Manufacturing and Research Company (Marco’s) of Springfield Road, Grantham, to which he further added, “it didn’t travel very far did it?” which of course meant from its manufacture in an arms factory in Grantham, to farmland somewhere near Tilton on the Hill!
    The base of the shell casing is marked K2 1942 which coincides with an early fitting of 20mm Hispano cannons to Spitfires that same year. As you say, initially these were not popular with the pilots because of the tendency of this type of cannon to jam. The fact that it had been fired from a Spitfire was confirmed for me by an ex-R.A.F. armourer that I met in 2002 in Bakewell, who told me that, “if it was fired by a Spitfire, it should have a neat dent-line, two thirds of the way up the shell casing which was made by the ejector mechanism in the Spitfire wing, which worked by clockwork”, which indeed it has!

    • @AdamOwenBrowning
      @AdamOwenBrowning 6 месяцев назад +7

      This is a brilliant series of events and some really interesting info about the early 20mm Hispano cannons on Spitfires, and as a Leicester born-and-raised lad myself, I want to thank you for putting it all down :D
      That bit of the tailplane with a shell stuck in it - I bet it looks fantastic. less fantastic for the pilot though!! It'll be a great story and bit of physical history to be handed down through your family over time.

    • @agentmueller
      @agentmueller 6 месяцев назад +5

      Great story, great writing. I enjoyed your comment very much, props to your granddad and of course props to you for preserving that family heirloom.

    • @mattpocka2948
      @mattpocka2948 6 месяцев назад +5

      I have one that was found near Parks in NSW Australia. A former training area.
      It has "BBC 1941 20MM" And it still has the belt link on it.

    • @frankmitchell3594
      @frankmitchell3594 6 месяцев назад +3

      Interesting. When I was young I lived near Melton Mowbray and a local farmer told me about finding a cannon round in a field. He tried to remove the shell from the cartridge, with a hammer, but it exploded. He still had his fingers and hands so he must have been lucky.

    • @michaelpielorz9283
      @michaelpielorz9283 6 месяцев назад

      funny to see the good old WWII propaganda is still alive.

  • @Rhidongo
    @Rhidongo 7 месяцев назад +43

    If my grandfather were still alive, he'd have loved this video.
    He purchased one at a military auction when I was a kid. I never knew what it was until he casually mentioned he had an AA cannon that he was working on (I woulda been about 16 at that time)

  • @ericadams3428
    @ericadams3428 7 месяцев назад +32

    The early Beaufighter night fighters had the ammo drums and the radar operator had to change four of them which was a complete nightmare in the dark until replaced by belt feeds.

    • @alexturnbackthearmy1907
      @alexturnbackthearmy1907 21 день назад

      At least they were more reliable this way. British were definitely not fans of their 20mm`s.

  • @hstwodrainage.1410
    @hstwodrainage.1410 7 месяцев назад +22

    Your microphone is not working.

  • @juusolatva
    @juusolatva 7 месяцев назад +35

    I didn't expect to see an autocannon, but I definitely like it.

    • @samholdsworth420
      @samholdsworth420 7 месяцев назад +1

      Hopefully you are pronouncing Cannon like you're a frenchy 😊

    • @bakters
      @bakters 7 месяцев назад +1

      Mee too. I feel like a teen finally seeing the contents of a bra.

    • @samholdsworth420
      @samholdsworth420 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@bakters what's a bra

    • @bakters
      @bakters 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@samholdsworth420 " *what's a bra* "
      I've been told today that "everything is an opinion", so I guess it's gotta be one of those...?

    • @samholdsworth420
      @samholdsworth420 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@bakters I think bras are like cups for men who identify as women 🧐
      I could be wrong though

  • @robinwatters572
    @robinwatters572 6 месяцев назад +13

    I was with the Special Constabulary in Manchester in the early seventies and heard this tale, whether it's true or not I'm not sure but I was assured so at the time. Chap came into the police station and asks if the no questions asked firearms amnesty was still in force. On being told this was so, he said I have a gun to hand in. Sergeant says "well, bring it in then". Chap says he'd need a lift. Turns out to be a 20mm aircraft cannon in the back of his van!

  • @DemianX6x6x6X
    @DemianX6x6x6X 7 месяцев назад +18

    great video as always! sidenote; the audio on this video was much lower than anything else just saying

  • @johnlshilling1446
    @johnlshilling1446 5 месяцев назад +3

    Props to Johnathan! His presentations are always far more interesting and packed full of -- relevant -- trivia than any other historians I've come across.
    Well done, Johnny-boy!

  • @radiozelaza
    @radiozelaza 6 месяцев назад +13

    funnily, in Poland before WW2, a 20mm rapid-firing auto-loading gun was just called NKM (Heaviest Machine Gun), to distinguish it from a CKM (Heavy Machine Gun) which would be a 7,62mm gun like Maxim). Only after WW2 there appeared a separate term for a .50cal machine gun as WKM (large-caliber machine gun), introduced by the Soviets, while the 20mm NKMs and above were renamed to autocannons ("działko" - little cannon).

    • @coffeecodecameras
      @coffeecodecameras 6 месяцев назад +1

      I guess NKM is Najcięższy karabin maszynowy, CKM is Cięższy, and WKM is Wielki ?

    • @radiozelaza
      @radiozelaza 6 месяцев назад +2

      CKM is Ciężki (Heavy) and WKM is Wielkokalibrowy (Large-Caliber) which is a direct translation from Russian (krupnokalibyerniy). @@coffeecodecameras

    • @coffeecodecameras
      @coffeecodecameras 6 месяцев назад +1

      dzięki 🙂 @@radiozelaza

    • @radiozelaza
      @radiozelaza 6 месяцев назад +2

      good Polish btw :) @@coffeecodecameras

  • @olivergentschog
    @olivergentschog 7 месяцев назад +8

    A vídeo about the mg 151 would also be interesting.

  • @runaway_slav
    @runaway_slav 6 месяцев назад +4

    To add on to the comments about low volume, it would in no way bother me if there was a clamp-on table/clip-on shirt microphone for when less than ideal noise conditions are present. I'm here for the mechanism to tickle my 'tism. Keep up the great work, shout out that LadLuty

  • @rob1129
    @rob1129 7 месяцев назад +13

    So it is the same Hispano Suiza as the car company

    • @F1ghteR41
      @F1ghteR41 7 месяцев назад +11

      Yes, they went from cars to also making aircraft engines before the WW1 (because both engines & customers were basically the same at the time), then added wing-mounted cannons to diversify their business again, and then combined the latter two areas to make this gun.

    • @myparceltape1169
      @myparceltape1169 7 месяцев назад +4

      And the coffee maker machine. First saw a design in 1966 and latterly in 2019

  • @baanibarnes9711
    @baanibarnes9711 6 месяцев назад +6

    Fascinating! I have been building kits of Spitfires, Hurricanes etc for years and have always been puzzled by the apparently simple looking design of the Hispano 20mm cannon. Many mysteries now solved thanks to your superb break-down of this widely used gun, many thanks, would love to see more of these on other weapons such as the heavy cannons used by the Luftwaffe.

  • @dracoseason3784
    @dracoseason3784 7 месяцев назад +12

    video seems awfully quiet
    edit; its just the beginning

    • @rbrwr
      @rbrwr 7 месяцев назад +2

      I'd say too quiet throughout, but particularly Jonathan at the beginning.

  • @roygardiner2229
    @roygardiner2229 7 месяцев назад +26

    That was terrific! I was born in WWII so always had a keen interest in the RAF fighters. Until a few years ago I thought the Spitfire and Hurricane were equipped only with machine guns but someone told me about the cannons. This video really showed how the latter worked.
    Thank you!

    • @wanderschlosser1857
      @wanderschlosser1857 4 месяца назад +2

      Yeah, they realized pretty quickly that the .30 cal machine guns weren't sufficient even with 8 or 12 of them installed. Especially against bombers. And the German fighters showed how well canon/machine gun combinations worked.

    • @JohnyG29
      @JohnyG29 24 дня назад +1

      You really can't of had a "keen interest" if you've only just found this out.

  • @Poverty-Tier
    @Poverty-Tier 7 месяцев назад +28

    Finally! I’ve been waiting on a Hispano cannon video for years. There’s a WWII submarine memorial in a park where I live in Marquette, Mi and on the mockup conning tower there are a pair of anti-air autocannons. I was well familiar with the Oerlikon from Ian’s work and these cannons on the memorial were clearly not that. They almost look like someone asked a metal worker to fabricate something that looks like a period autocannon, made out of scrap, but the more times I checked these guns out, I saw features like the gas piston that meant this has to be the real gun. I knew next to nothing about the Hispano and the online pictures aren’t great, but I assumed these mystery guns must be Hispanos because what else would they be? Damn it feels good to have my suspicions validated.

  • @F1ghteR41
    @F1ghteR41 7 месяцев назад +23

    The video is for the most part too quiet, which is a pity, for the topic is quite interesting, especially with such levels of detail. Speaking of which, I was expecting to see the lockwork in more detail.
    1:44 Well, judging by the standard given you could say that 1 pdr Maxim guns, the so called 'Pom-poms', dating back to the end of the nineteenth century and used in both Second Anglo-Boer and First World wars, would be the first autocannons. If, however, you meant to say 'aircraft-mounted autocannon', then one has to mention Becker's Type M2, the progenitor of the Oerlikon's S and FF autocannons, which also goes back to WW1.
    1:53 Wasn't its main drawback the fact that it wasn't Hispano Suiza's own design, and they had to pay for it to Oerlikon?
    12:26 Certainly from the weight point of view it is, and that matters a lot for planes.

    • @samwise7538
      @samwise7538 7 месяцев назад +2

      I've noticed a few of their videos have the volume down too low unfortunately.

    • @jonathanferguson1211
      @jonathanferguson1211 7 месяцев назад +2

      The audio is out of my hands unfortunately, and there just isn't time to cover the mechanical side in detail as well as the historical aspects. I'm encouraged to do 15 minutes and frequently go well over that as it is :)
      1:44 - You could, yes, but they didn't - obviously there are historical forerunners for most things but I'm talking here about how similar weapons came to be called "cannon". The 1pr Maxim was never referred to as a "cannon".
      1:53 - quite possibly. Not something that I came across whilst researching but it would make sense. But designers always think they can beat each other.

    • @Twilit777
      @Twilit777 7 месяцев назад

      Almost all these videos are way too quiet. It's in part Jonathan's natural tone and in part poor sound mixing. I suspect they don't have a professional sound engineer who could easily offset the issue. I do wish they'd invest in some time or money in a pass on the sound.

    • @F1ghteR41
      @F1ghteR41 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@jonathanferguson1211 I see, thanks for comment.

  • @brucemacallan6831
    @brucemacallan6831 5 месяцев назад +2

    0:55. I believe the French called it a canon due to the shape.
    I speak Portuguese, which same as French, is a Latin based language.
    ‘Canó’ is Portuguese for pipe.
    So I think ‘canon’ must be French for a pipe shaped item is some way.

  • @mars_man9971
    @mars_man9971 7 месяцев назад +22

    I have been researching the Hispano series for quite a while, they are very interesting guns and the US development in particular is a rabbithole of versions and variants. Got myself one now and gathering parts to get it running again.

    • @mars_man9971
      @mars_man9971 7 месяцев назад +8

      For anyone interested in the mechanics of this in depth, look up "The Machine Gun" By Col George Chinn, they were amazing books made for the navy so they are freely available as PDFs online, volume one but more particularly volume III has a wonderfully long segment on the different versions and mechanics.

    • @builder396
      @builder396 6 месяцев назад

      The favorite thing for me that came out of US Hispano development was them trying to put it in the P-400 fighter, realizing the gun just doesnt really work, and slapping in the 37mm M4 instead and calling it the P-39 Airacobra.

    • @mars_man9971
      @mars_man9971 6 месяцев назад

      @@builder396 the US basically screwed up their hispano production from the start and the issues followed those guns for the rest of the service life
      Book is a good read to learn about it

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@builder396
      The P-39 was designed with a single 37mm autocannon and a mix of two .30 and .50 MGs to start with. Fairly hard hitting but lower velocity. The P-400s built for the RAF were re-designed with to take the 20mm. They tried some Airacobras and said politely. Not only no, but bloody NO.
      The saga of the US production of 20mm Hipano cannon is a sad one. From what I understand the fault lay not with the manufacturer so much as the Board of Ordinance. They screwed up when converting the drawings to inches from metric. Not in the as print dimensions. But in the tolerancing system being used. When the British inspected some of the early ones they commented on just how beautifully made they were *. They just couldn't use them. Also the first US fighters equipped with cannon (P-38 and P-39) were also built with with a system to clear jams. The P-38 had 20mm right from the start.
      *Oldsmobile was the contractor iirc. The BoO also messed up with the drawings for the MG-42 when they tried to copy it. I'm not sure just what type of tolerancing system the that HS used but even so converting the values should not have been a problem. I guess the designer at BoO wasn't allowed to take his shoes off that day to do higher mathematics.

    • @Mr_Dopey
      @Mr_Dopey 25 дней назад

      I've always been curious why these didn't fire shot shells. I would think if each round fired 15-20 half inch ball bearings, it would be very effective against the aircraft of the time.

  • @joshuagrenville279
    @joshuagrenville279 7 месяцев назад +24

    My grandad was in the polish Air Force during the war and flew spitfires, then mustangs. 0:00
    He thought that 6x .50 cal machine guns was the better armament for the time.
    He also mentioned that there was a significant loss of airspeed when you fired a long burst from the cannon in the spitfire.

    • @bakters
      @bakters 7 месяцев назад +11

      " *6x .50 cal machine guns was the better armament for the time* "
      Even if it was better, it was much heavier setup, and it would never fit in a Spit. Regardless, it wasn't a better setup. The Brits both considered and even did extensive tests on .50 cals before the war. It turned out that while they did hit a bit harder, the effectiveness was largely reduced if the rounds tumbled while passing through the outer skin of the plane.
      They decided that fifties weren't worth it. For the same weight, you could do just about as well with a bunch of thirties, and for the long run they knew right away they will need cannons. As it turned out, they were correct.

    • @SmedleyDouwright
      @SmedleyDouwright 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@bakters Didn't the RAF put .50 cals in late war Spitfires?

    • @bakters
      @bakters 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@SmedleyDouwright " *Didn't the RAF put .50 cals in late war Spitfires?* "
      Yes, but it was basically because it was better to have two fifties than two thirties as the MGs.
      Technically the Spit used to have two thirties in each wing (and a hispano), but the outboard .30 cals weren't really worth it. They hardly ever hit and they had a disproportional impact on performance, so at least some aces were ford of removing those outboard emgees.
      One inboard fifty was surely better than a spread out pair, so that was the decision, as far as I understand it.
      BTW - One of the guys known for removing the outboard MGs was Jan Zumbach. His Spit with a characteristic Donald Duck nose art is pictured everywhere. You've seen it many times for sure. So it's likely that this Spit had the outboard MGs removed.
      BTW - I'm curious if the grandpa of the OP ever met Jan Zumbach.

    • @joshuagrenville279
      @joshuagrenville279 6 месяцев назад +3

      Perhaps I should have phrased that differently.
      He preferred to go to war in the mustang.
      Obviously comparing the armament across different aircraft flying different missions requires a longer discussion than a RUclips comment section.

    • @joshuagrenville279
      @joshuagrenville279 6 месяцев назад

      Sadly my grandad passed some years ago but I'll ask my aunt if she knows.

  • @mrfrosty3
    @mrfrosty3 7 месяцев назад +2

    This cleared up a lot of my wrongheadedness about auto cannons. Another great video.

  • @jonesy279
    @jonesy279 5 месяцев назад +2

    As an Aussie, Spitfire MkVc/Trop is the iconic (and my favourite) spitfire to me. I just love everything about it!

    • @givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935
      @givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 24 дня назад

      Poor low level performance, Zeros and FW 190s had superior two speed superchargers giving high performance over a wider altitude band. Much better Spitfire VIIIs were sent east later.

  • @odie7764
    @odie7764 7 месяцев назад +8

    Nice collaboration, I hope we see more.

    • @roygardiner2229
      @roygardiner2229 7 месяцев назад

      Great comment! It made for a much more complete story.

  • @marcusrawlinson5024
    @marcusrawlinson5024 8 часов назад

    Mark Birkigt was a very accomplished engineer, the Hispano Suiza cars he built in the 20s were possibly/probably the best in the world.

  • @tuckersolander9003
    @tuckersolander9003 7 месяцев назад +4

    Solid BFG addition

  • @dwightevans8545
    @dwightevans8545 6 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for the excellent showing and description of that beautiful 20mm monster.

  • @mattheweagles5123
    @mattheweagles5123 7 месяцев назад +5

    Excellent video content and presentation wise. Got to knock a point off for the sound though.

  • @danielbutka8854
    @danielbutka8854 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you Jonathan, I've been waiting a long time to see a video on a Hispano Suiza

  • @chapmasi
    @chapmasi 6 месяцев назад

    I always remember this from the Pattern Room when I worked at the RA. It was down at the bottom behind a wall of racks and I always loved the huge drum magazine. Great times

  • @rashkavar
    @rashkavar 13 дней назад

    My grandfather served in the War, and one of the things I inherited from him is a lighter built out of an unfired round from one of these beasts. It doesn't work anymore, but it seems like the lighter fluid would go where the cordite goes and the bullet is unaltered. (Obviously not a high-ex bullet, that would not be a good choice for a lighter body.) It's a neat little bit of history to have around.

  • @moistmike4150
    @moistmike4150 6 месяцев назад +2

    Excellent description of the HS cannon system! I've always wondered what sort of mechanisms they were using to knock down Axis aircraft.

  • @SkySpiderGirl
    @SkySpiderGirl 7 месяцев назад +2

    Really low audio balance again this video. Thank goodness for auto subtitle. Even if it is a bit weird on some words

  • @kennedyfellows-coffey2257
    @kennedyfellows-coffey2257 6 месяцев назад

    I’m heading to the museum today can’t wait to see it all

  • @robkole1881
    @robkole1881 6 месяцев назад

    Great presentation. I learned a great deal.

  • @martinwood9014
    @martinwood9014 6 месяцев назад

    Great presentation

  • @Redchrome1
    @Redchrome1 6 месяцев назад

    This video was definitely not long enough. I feel there was so much material hinted at but not covered. We need a part 2 for this.

  • @Trevor_Austin
    @Trevor_Austin 7 месяцев назад +12

    That was an excellent video although the sound was somewhat lacking. You should mentally separate g from attitude. The two are not related. You can be upside down pulling 1 g (or 3 g) or the “the right way up” at zero g. Air-to-air gunnery typically requires the hunter to turn towards and aim at a point ahead of where their target is flying. The hope is that the target flies into their projectiles’ path. The task of computing “lead” was aided by the gyroscopic gunsight. Before these it was pretty much a hit or miss affair with the preponderance towards the latter.

  • @WildBillCox13
    @WildBillCox13 7 месяцев назад

    Nice collaborative effort. Liked and shared.

  • @MrDreple
    @MrDreple 7 месяцев назад

    Like the kink to rhe Spitfire, very interesting to see the weapon in the context of how it was used and the developent of the aircraft to accoodate it. big thubs up.

  • @haslammmo9173
    @haslammmo9173 6 месяцев назад

    Hi Jonathan. I love the videos and heard RA in Leeds was a blast when my parents visited a few months back. I have a small suggestion for the channel. Could you possibly boost the overall audio levels ? I always need to turn up my volume manually to hear your commentary, which then leads to ads and the next video being blaringly loud. thanks !

  • @jjforcebreaker
    @jjforcebreaker 7 месяцев назад +4

    Hell yeah! As if these episodes couldn't get any more cool.

  • @FAFLSuedois
    @FAFLSuedois 6 месяцев назад

    Excellent reportage !!!

  • @philkennedy342
    @philkennedy342 13 дней назад

    Thanks for share your presentation of the armament of spitfires and also the hurricane fascinating listening to the development of the gun👍👍👍👍

  • @bryankirk
    @bryankirk 16 дней назад

    Cheers Sir! Bloody interesting.

  • @RichardsModellingAdventures
    @RichardsModellingAdventures 28 дней назад

    Canon, the round made of steel has a copper drive band formed around the round, alternatively a machine gun, the drive band is formed into the soft bullet casing while being driven down the barrel

  • @wacojones8062
    @wacojones8062 29 дней назад

    A long time ago I helped baby sit a US 20 mm M2 Hispano Aircraft Autocannon for a couple of weeks. My dad although a medic was an Oerlikon gunner when traveling back and forth across the Pacific on Troopships as a US Army Hospital Ship Medic part of a 8 enlisted one Officer regimental level unit. The US copy of the 404 chambers were a tiny fraction of an inch too long due poor measurement conversion in usage at the time which caused jamming on occasion depending on ammo lots.

  • @wrxs1781
    @wrxs1781 7 месяцев назад

    Excellent!

  • @allencowan6692
    @allencowan6692 Месяц назад

    I was always under the impression that a "cannon" in this regard meant it fired ammo with an explosive projectile as the norm. Whereas machine guns normally fire a solid projectile.

  • @JoriDiculous
    @JoriDiculous 7 месяцев назад +5

    need more Voice volume.

  • @jannekiljunen6784
    @jannekiljunen6784 7 месяцев назад +4

    I've been following the videos, great series but if you could do something with the way too low sound level that would be great, now the video is just unwatchable with the massive variation. I like my hearing so I won't be turning the volume to double or triple to hear what Jonathan is saying.

  • @davidelliott5843
    @davidelliott5843 21 день назад

    Early Spitfires had one cannon on each side. When one jammed the working gun would throw the plane off target.

  • @invertedpolarity6890
    @invertedpolarity6890 6 месяцев назад +1

    Please turn your audio up. Sound is very low from this video.

  • @KernowekTim
    @KernowekTim 5 месяцев назад

    Excellet. Subscribed, with pleasure. Many thanks All.

  • @julianmhall
    @julianmhall 6 месяцев назад +1

    *chuckles* reminds me of the novel 'Sharpe's Command' which I read the other day. Lieutenant Love (predictably called Cupid behind his back) was in the artillery, and said it seemed appropriate as his father was a canon. Sgt Harper thought he meant /cannon/ so decided Love was as mad as a box of frogs :)

  • @OliverXRed
    @OliverXRed 7 месяцев назад +6

    If you one in your collection, it would be interesting to see a video with the Hispano's main contemporary, the MG 151/20.

    • @givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935
      @givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 7 месяцев назад

      The nazis used low velocity, low rate of fire blow back operated Oerlikons in the Bf 109E. They were used later in the _Jazz Music_ upwards firing night fighter installation.

    • @JohnyG29
      @JohnyG29 24 дня назад

      @@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 The Me109E also only had 60 rounds per cannon.

  • @xXxTripleHxXx
    @xXxTripleHxXx 7 месяцев назад +2

    39 Seconds after got posted.
    Last Time i arrived this early i Had to sleep on the couch

  • @jamieknight326
    @jamieknight326 6 месяцев назад

    This video is great. Thanks for making it. I agree with the comments above tho, the audio volume is very low in places.

    • @nickjohnson710
      @nickjohnson710 6 месяцев назад

      Ffs! We have all gathered there's something wrong with the sound, why do you balloon heads have to keep mentioning it!?

  • @thruknobulaxii2020
    @thruknobulaxii2020 10 дней назад

    I recall seeing an interview with Michael Bentine of the Goons, also a WWII fighter pilot.
    He was reduced to tears as he discussed the disadvantage of the British pilots with their .303 armaments and the devastating 20mm canons carried by the Hun.

  • @leneanderthalien
    @leneanderthalien 6 месяцев назад +1

    I find the explanations quite convoluted, the reality is quite simple: Hispano Suiza was originally a Spanish car manufacturer, but, diversifying into aviation, these new activities were entirely installed in France as a Franco-Spanish company. During the creation of the 12Y engine which will first equip the Morane 406 then the Dewoitine D520, it was decided to integrate a 20mm cannon firing through the axis of the propeller: this is the famous Canon HS404 , also known in the Soviet Union under the designation ShWAK integrated into the Klimov 105 engine which is nothing other than an evolution of the 12Y for which the Soviets had purchased the rights before the war and which equipped the Yax 1, 3 and 9. The British quickly understood the advantages of this excellent, precise, powerful and reliable canon, and quickly installed it on certain Spitfires, however, this gun being designed to operate in the heat of the engine, posed numerous jamming problems due to the icing, in addition the drum magazine was too bulky and of low capacity (60 rounds) and did not properly fit in the wings, the British branch of Hispano Suiza therefore revised the design and also adapted it to a belt feed. Naturally , the installation of such a powerful weapon posed some problems on planes not initially designed for that, but the British preferred it to the cal 50 heavy machine guns favored by the Americans. The HS404 cannon has had a very long career, as it equipped the F8FN Crusader in service until 1999 in the French navy.

  • @DoubleyouCeeGee
    @DoubleyouCeeGee 7 месяцев назад +2

    Would love to see another vid on the Mk V Hispano if you've got one as well.

  • @GiggleBlizzard
    @GiggleBlizzard 6 месяцев назад

    I really love these videos but I sincerely wish the audio levels were better - most of these videos are incredibly quiet and I always have to turn my volume way up specifically for these videos.

  • @derekmay8679
    @derekmay8679 6 месяцев назад

    My grandfather was a design engineer with Ford's at Dagenham during the entire war...
    I remember him telling of working on the spitfire, Churchill tank,and other various things they did there for the war efforts.
    He may well have been heavily involved with the transition of the spitfires all round performance...
    I do know that he had several 303 rounds and a couple of old Canon shells very similar to those shown...
    His job was whatever came his way ,and to improve,improvise, update, create ...He wasn't allowed to volunteers for active service ,as he was told his and his colleagues efforts would be far more destructive to the enemy than as individuals getting shot as a single soldier...Apparently he always tried ,but his applications used to get put back on his desk lol..
    So he went home guard instead ,and was in charge of 6 anti aircraft guns near the factory...
    A lot of his work became easier as well due to the Americans bringing in all their newest tools of mass production and specialist tools ...Britain needed...

  • @Taz6688
    @Taz6688 6 месяцев назад +1

    Sound levels very low had to max out volume just to hear what was said, every other clip I watched fine, sort your sound out.

  • @Skorpychan
    @Skorpychan 7 месяцев назад +2

    This video is awfully quiet. At the start, before the duxford bit.

  • @michaelwright2986
    @michaelwright2986 7 месяцев назад

    I have read (somewhere, some decades ago) that there was a bit of blundering with the procurement, and IIRC there was a Hispano belt feed version which the RAF did not adopt, and then had to develop its own. I have certainly got this at least a bit confused, so I'd be glad if someone who knows could give the proper story, if there is one.

  • @iancarr8682
    @iancarr8682 6 месяцев назад

    4 x Hispano cannons' were used in the Bristol Beafighter night fighters. Initially the observer / radar operator had to change the drums manually in darkness in the air.

  • @Dingus138
    @Dingus138 6 месяцев назад

    Banger audio job mates !

  • @sbrunscheon
    @sbrunscheon 6 месяцев назад

    I would LOVE to see a video on the Puckle Gun, the first machine gun

  • @simonwright9226
    @simonwright9226 2 дня назад

    Had one dug up back in the day close to what was RAF Bishops Court... Had it in the armoury for a clean up for ages...always wondered what a full y restored one would look like

  • @riadbensebti
    @riadbensebti 7 месяцев назад

    great video, i hope some day , you present a modern jetfighter rapide fire chain gun.

  • @DankNoodles420
    @DankNoodles420 7 месяцев назад +2

    what tf is up with the audio being so quiet i literally have windows volume at 100, youtube volume at 100 and even my tv is turned all the way up to over 50

  • @MatthewDoye
    @MatthewDoye 6 месяцев назад

    IIRC The first autocannon installed on a fighter was the Coventry Ordnance Works 37mm at the very end of WW1. This gun saw further development between the wars and was chosen for use in the Air Ministry specification F.29/27. None of the aircraft submitted were chosen as the concept of firing up at a fixed angle wasn't practical. It was fitted to many interwar flying boats but never saw service in any during WW2.
    Eventually it was developed into the Vickers 40mm Class S gun that armed ground attack Hurricane variants.

  • @PLAYINGAROUND
    @PLAYINGAROUND 7 месяцев назад +2

    Sound is a little quiet folks this week.

    • @juzma94
      @juzma94 7 месяцев назад

      I thought it was just my phone.

  • @donepearce
    @donepearce 6 месяцев назад +15

    The early Spitfire's armament was the result of calculations made by 13 year old Hazel Hill. She worked out that it needed at least eight machine guns rather than the four it was originally destined for.

    • @LeCharles07
      @LeCharles07 6 месяцев назад +2

      A true American at heart.

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 6 месяцев назад

      If eight were insufficient just think how bad four would have been. Granted one rifle caliber round in theright place will take down a single and possibly a twin engined bomber of the period. Specifically a hit on the engine coolant or oiling system. These fluids were being pumped at high volumes with a limited supply which would lead to engine failure. Radials are less susceptible to this being air cooled but also suffer from higher drag on the engine installation. That is until the FW-190 and a few other types proved otherwise.

  • @LeCharles07
    @LeCharles07 6 месяцев назад

    [air horns of celebration]
    Thank you, Jonathan, for finally explaining why they are called "Hispano-Suiza".

  • @vinceely2906
    @vinceely2906 7 месяцев назад

    Looking at the size of the thing, I can totally understand your reasons for using this in two videos in one day

  • @Tuberuser187
    @Tuberuser187 7 месяцев назад

    Nice colab!

  • @curiouscat8396
    @curiouscat8396 7 месяцев назад

    The BB just moves back and forth and it has a tipping/tilting locking flap underneath.
    U can see the (replaceable) locking shoulder in the bottom/back.
    Now do a proper one on the Besa, and show us (what's) under the feed cover.

  • @pkre707
    @pkre707 7 месяцев назад +2

    Could you do a video on auto-cannon ammunition types?

  • @fus149hammer5
    @fus149hammer5 6 месяцев назад +3

    There's been a lot of armchair historians blabbing over the years about the use of cannon in british aircraft especially the spitfire and giving their less than knowledgeable opinions as to why they believed they were unreliable or even pointless but now it's nice listening to someone who actually knows what he's talking about and giving us the truth.

  • @anthonyburke5656
    @anthonyburke5656 6 месяцев назад

    There were two different criteria applied. One was if the weapon was smooth bore and not hand held. Two was if the projectile carried an explosive charge, again, was not hand held.

  • @capt.bart.roberts4975
    @capt.bart.roberts4975 6 месяцев назад

    Looks like a bloody enormous shock absorber.

  • @sevysnape
    @sevysnape Месяц назад

    Just a heads up a lot of us who watch videos on guns can't hear a damn thing, please turn up the recording volume.

  • @basslinedan2
    @basslinedan2 5 месяцев назад

    Would be great if this could be reuploaded with the audio fixed

  • @taiiat0
    @taiiat0 6 месяцев назад

    just a suggestion, a 'Headset' type Lav Mic may (and usually is) much easier to use consistently and reliably. not anyones' fault, Clip ons are just inherently a lot harder to get good results out of.
    'Headset' style Lav Mics are available fairly inexpensively, are small and lightweight, and work the same way as any other Lav Mic, so they're compatible with any Equipment one already has.
    worth considering, i think. cheers. :)

  • @patrikhjorth3291
    @patrikhjorth3291 7 месяцев назад

    When I saw the silhouette preview, I thought "That looks like an aircraft-mounted autocannon", and then immediately decided that "Nah, that can't be right."
    I guess I need to learn to better trust my first impression.

  • @peteturbo7047
    @peteturbo7047 6 месяцев назад

    I love JOv, and i so love the subject, and i so want to hear what he is saying......

  • @Andy-sh9eq
    @Andy-sh9eq 4 месяца назад

    I was told by my old friend who flew in ww2 that the 303 machine gun on spitfires had about 20 seconds continuous fire and it was empty

    • @walterkronkitesleftshoe6684
      @walterkronkitesleftshoe6684 4 месяца назад

      The MG FF 20mm cannon fielded by the contemporary Me109E had only SIX SECONDS of ammo before it was empty.

  • @michaelguerin56
    @michaelguerin56 4 месяца назад

    I believe that the term ‘cannon’ for such a weapon, dates back to the Benjamin Hotchkiss 37mm cannon of the late 19th century.

  • @wingcommanderjetson5660
    @wingcommanderjetson5660 5 месяцев назад

    Good video. The colouring and audio are absolutely shocking though.

  • @magnetmannenbannanen
    @magnetmannenbannanen 4 месяца назад

    long barrel does have one advantage tho. it takes longer to heat up when firing full auto.

  • @satanihelvetet
    @satanihelvetet 6 месяцев назад

    This auto cannon was used in Sweden as an aircraft armament during the 50's and 60's. Later it was reused in the full track APC called PBV 302.

    • @frostedbutts4340
      @frostedbutts4340 6 месяцев назад +1

      Yeah they were recycled on all sorts of things post war. The French strapped them to helicopters, boats, planes and tanks!

  • @timwingham8952
    @timwingham8952 6 месяцев назад +1

    The 1972 book Guns Of The Royal Air Force 1939 - 1945 by G.F. Wallace is a fascinating read, and devotes whole chapters to the Hispano 20mm, the .303" Browning and the Vickers Gas Operated. It is cheaply available online.

  • @jameshealy4594
    @jameshealy4594 7 месяцев назад +8

    Hey Jonathan, thanks for another great video! As an Aussie I predominantly use metric but because of my age I'm quite fluent in Imperial too so please forgive my confusion. When you say 7.9 feet, do you mean 7 feet 9 inches or 7 feet and 9/10ths of a foot or something I haven't even considered? I'm a little confused by this on a regular basis and suspect it's an artifact of people jumping between both systems but I'm never sure!

    • @robinwhitebeam3955
      @robinwhitebeam3955 6 месяцев назад +1

      We had the metric inch and foot taught at school ( Sutton Coldfield,UK ), but it did not catch on all that much in engineering companies.

    • @basslinedan2
      @basslinedan2 5 месяцев назад

      7.9ft would be 7 feet and 9/10ths of a foot. It's a decimal feet measurement.

  • @nigelbarker8726
    @nigelbarker8726 14 дней назад

    "Clapped out" Technical term, that!