fascinating, 4:3 mode can be used on both bmpcc and bmpcc4K? I also film anamorphic (although not a lot of projects call for it)...so 4:3 mode will result in 2.4 aspect ratio in the final export?
Very polished presentation. Thank you. Is definitely a difference When someone is reviewing something and they know exactly what they're talking about. Yours has a flow to it. Many people would need notes to do the same thing. I can tell you have a love of lenses the same as I do, respect.
'50' in the anamorphot name is not the focal length, it's the physical limitation of the adapter, not recommended for the lenses with the front element larger than 50mm
I bought one on sale with the Rangefinder. That is 2.4lbs there. I will need to use my tripod for this as well as rail supports. I also tried my 80mm 645 lens with a dumb adapter. My arm was killing me so I cannot report back on that.
It's weird to shoot 2x anamorphic on a 1.78:1 format, it's meant for a 1.33:1 Super 35mm film gate. A 2x squeeze lens gives you a bizarre 3.56:1 aspect ratio on a 1.78:1 sensor/format, so if your camera only records in 16:9, you need a 1.33 squeeze to get scope.
I love the color in your films here - clearly on a different level than my stuff (which is, admittedly, only just filming my music studio!). Do you have any videos on what you do to get those sorts of organic colors? Also, I actually liked the out of focusness of your videos. I got the SLR Magic 40 1.33X compact and I didn't really like the look, but I feel like maybe I should reconsider, that sharpness isn't everything with these lenses...
I hope you don't mind me making a few observations as I - like you - are so excited by the idea of anamorphic. (unfortunately I just don't have one!). Firstly, thank you thank you for putting down all your thoughts on the two SLR Magic products. This is such an honest and open review and deserves big thanks. The look in certain of your shots is so organic. It's lovely and so compelling. But I am so surprised SLR magic haven't put a tripod thread on their lens to prevent the problem you talked about. That's nuts! From what I can see, the more access to light you got, the greater the sharpness. The other really big distraction and this is really a Sony problem I think, is the rolling shutter, which really is emphasised especially during pans of big high rises and the like. The talent of the lens is immediately shackled by this. Again on the Black Magic, that didn't seem so bad. I have a GH5 and am so close to getting something, but I hope Leica and Panasonic are looking at the SLR Magic and working on something of their own which might improve on this. Again, thanks!
It works fine on Full Frame. You just have to use the right lens. I found using a 58mm had serious Vignetting, but when I switched to my MAMIYA SEKOR C 80mm f 2.8 Medium Format 645 lens, with a dumb adapter, I have zero Vignetting. This is as they say in the instructions. This lens is 2.5 lbs and even in a Small Rig rail rig it pulled on my smaller taking lenses making them hard to turn the focus ring. This cannot be good for my old vintage lenses.
Hi Khairil! Thanks for this video, it's quite helpful. I recently got this lens and have it attached to the Nikon Z 50MM 1.8S. It screws right on without any adapters which is great. I am struggling to get any part of the image sharp at all though. I am wondering if I would need the diopters or the rangefinder to help with focus. Or is focusing on a 50mm full frame lens just not possible with this anamorphic adapter?
Sharp is a relative term here. Worry about the center. I have been using it in Full Frame and it works fine on Full Frame. You just have to use the right lens. I found using a 58mm had serious Vignetting, but when I switched to my MAMIYA SEKOR C 80mm f 2.8 Medium Format 645 lens, with a dumb adapter, I have zero Vignetting. This is as they say in the instructions. This lens is 2.5 lbs and even in a Small Rig rail rig it pulled on my smaller taking lenses making them hard to turn the focus ring. This cannot be good for my old vintage lenses.
Watching this review over and over again doesn't make it feel any older. Always loved it and your other works too! I'm still debating whether on exploring into the anamorphic world or just stick with spherical setups and call it a day, but the cost of even venturing into those projector anamorphic adapters are quite steep man lol. Any chance if you're planning to shoot a project on the x2 anamorphot in the future, would love to check it out on-hand. I've also got a cam setup to shoot at 4:3 mode too to checkout the full potential of the x2 anamorphic stretch! :)
Hi Vince! Thanks for the compliments. I will say if you start getting into anamorphics it can get pricey and not many clients for commercial projects are willing to go real anamorphic (probably because they wanna make sure they can square the frame for insta and FB, sigh) but if I do have one going on I'll hit you up ;) And if you wanna try out the lenses Kicapi rent out the 1.33x one on their site (under accesories).
I rewatch this (now the 3. time) a testament to youre fine reviews - i got the 133 x 50 - and a Pocketrig-on Speedboosted Nikons and Minoltas -vintage- and i really like what you do , with a similar setup,- ;)
Hey. Great video. Im completely new to anamorphic lenses/adaptors. Im actually really interested in shooting anamorphic stills as opposed to film. I have a canon 6d. Also a canon 60d(which is APS-C) i have the 50mm 1.8 lens also. What would you recommend i do? Is there a simple adaptor i can buy to fit on my lens and away i go? Or is it more complex than this... Thank you.
Very good review, I think it's too difficult to use as a one man team run and gun...and to be honest it only looks good on landscape shots. If you're inside a tight space then it's super hard to compose a shot and it looks very soft.
Thanks for the info. Animorphic is really cool look especially if you can get something on the budget. BTW. Could you please write down the name of that David Beckham commercial or link to it thanks. I'm curious so check out the look.
2x is definitely an interesting look, but I feel like the vast majority of filmmakers and videomakers wouldn't actually use it in real world scenarios. The 1.33x probably is a more "realistic" option. By the way, loved your shots, and nice setup for the a-roll!
Am I missing something or is 85mm FF not the same as 24mm on a BMPC? I mean, I see that it's 34,5mm vs 42,5mm and that different sensor sizes affect the overall outcome in terms of depth of field etc. but basically there shouldn't be a real difference or do you indeed get a much "wider" image vs does it just look wider?
Khairil, thanks for this reveiw. Ive got a x1.33 adapter plus the rangefinder adapter.. Ive been struggling to find the best lenses to use with both adapters together as the rangefinder vignettes with most of my lenses. Mostly will use it on S35 cameras (Sony fs7, etc) and maybe some PL cameras too. Any experience on whats the widest you can go on a s35 sensor with both adapters?? What lenses did work for you? THanks!
Hi Agustin! From my personal experience, the widest I've ever managed to get on a S35 sensor was with a 35mm combined with a focal reducer. Whilst the 35mm would vignette on full frame, when combined with a focal reducer (or metabones speedbooster) the increased frame size wasn't quite that of a 35mm, more like a 38mm or 40mm. That being said, there was still some slight, soft vignetting and mainly used it in darker shots. I'd be very curious to see how the sigma 30mm would look with it on an S35 camera, that might work. Or maybe a 28mm. Though with the rangefinder adapter there is that added possibility of vignetting. Hope this info helps, and if you'd like to see how the 1.33 looks with a 35mm and focal reducer on an s35 sensor you can see an example of it in this music video I shot for a friend - ruclips.net/video/8Es9WK-I3Uk/видео.html - the wide shots where he's center of camera performing were with that lens setup on a Sony FS100.
Thanks Kahiril. Ive wrote SLR about this, as the adapter seems quite unusable when using the Rangefinder. Without the rangefinder ive managed to use a 35mm even on Full Frame with a little bit of vignetting, but when using it Iseem to even get vignetting with a 55mm. On S35 I tested it with a PL Lomo zoom on a Fs7 and couldnt go wider than 45mm with the rangefinder on. Will try to find a metabones and do some tests with FF lenses and the speedbooster. Will take a look at that clip. Cheers!!
What do you think would be the minimum focal length required if I were to use a 4:3 crop from the (already cropped from 4:3) 16:9 full frame sensor. Would 50mm suffice in that case? Or if we were to crop out some portion from 16:9 2x to make it 2.66:1?
On full frame I doubt you could go lower than a 50mm if you're cropping out the sides. I tried that with a 50mm on my Sony A7s with this lens and I don't think I could push it further than that.
What type of rig are you using, and how long are the bars? How would you have to adjust that type of rig to use the anamorphot on a Micro Cinema rather than the Pocket Cinema? Any difference?
I can't remember the full length of the bars off the top of my head, but for the short film they were quite long as the whole set up gets pretty lengthy on the lens side and I also needed to put my battery pack on the rails behind the camera. Regardless of what camera, though, you're going to have the same length at the front of the camera.
Hi there! I was using the FilmConvert2 plugin on Vegas. The plugin is available on multiple formats. If I'm not mistaken (since it was a while back) I probably used the Kodak daylight stock in the plugin and pumped up the saturation a bit.
Brother I was fu..cking with the adapter for a few days now. What ratio I am supposed to shoot on ? I am using red dragon and there are so many ratios I can choose.
With the 2x adapter you're supposed to use it in 4:3 mode. That should help
fascinating, 4:3 mode can be used on both bmpcc and bmpcc4K? I also film anamorphic (although not a lot of projects call for it)...so 4:3 mode will result in 2.4 aspect ratio in the final export?
@@NoLimitsLi if you desqueeze a 4:3 2x anamorphic, yes the result is 2.4:1
Very polished presentation. Thank you. Is definitely a difference When someone is reviewing something and they know exactly what they're talking about. Yours has a flow to it. Many people would need notes to do the same thing. I can tell you have a love of lenses the same as I do, respect.
Thanks Ray!
This video was so informative, the comparison with the 1.33 is really useful when helping decide! Thank you!!
Thanks! Glad it helped.
It's for 50mm and smaller front elements, not focal length.
A very complete review - you covered all the bases - all the stuff I need to know..thanks! The BMPCC stuff looks the best, nice colors and contrast...
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
Awesome stuff - best reviews of this gear I've seen yet. Very helpful
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Your channel and these anamorphic videos are great! I wish the best to you and your channel for the future!
'50' in the anamorphot name is not the focal length, it's the physical limitation of the adapter, not recommended for the lenses with the front element larger than 50mm
I bought one on sale with the Rangefinder. That is 2.4lbs there. I will need to use my tripod for this as well as rail supports. I also tried my 80mm 645 lens with a dumb adapter. My arm was killing me so I cannot report back on that.
Last month I bought the lens and Rangefinder. I am not impressed with it at this point. The problem I am having is that it won't produce Oval Bokeh.
It's weird to shoot 2x anamorphic on a 1.78:1 format, it's meant for a 1.33:1 Super 35mm film gate. A 2x squeeze lens gives you a bizarre 3.56:1 aspect ratio on a 1.78:1 sensor/format, so if your camera only records in 16:9, you need a 1.33 squeeze to get scope.
I love the color in your films here - clearly on a different level than my stuff (which is, admittedly, only just filming my music studio!). Do you have any videos on what you do to get those sorts of organic colors? Also, I actually liked the out of focusness of your videos. I got the SLR Magic 40 1.33X compact and I didn't really like the look, but I feel like maybe I should reconsider, that sharpness isn't everything with these lenses...
finally! a very good and helpfull video. thanks you very much
I hope you don't mind me making a few observations as I - like you - are so excited by the idea of anamorphic. (unfortunately I just don't have one!). Firstly, thank you thank you for putting down all your thoughts on the two SLR Magic products. This is such an honest and open review and deserves big thanks. The look in certain of your shots is so organic. It's lovely and so compelling. But I am so surprised SLR magic haven't put a tripod thread on their lens to prevent the problem you talked about. That's nuts! From what I can see, the more access to light you got, the greater the sharpness. The other really big distraction and this is really a Sony problem I think, is the rolling shutter, which really is emphasised especially during pans of big high rises and the like. The talent of the lens is immediately shackled by this. Again on the Black Magic, that didn't seem so bad. I have a GH5 and am so close to getting something, but I hope Leica and Panasonic are looking at the SLR Magic and working on something of their own which might improve on this. Again, thanks!
Thanks for the comments and glad you liked the video!
Very nice info Khairil!
It works fine on Full Frame. You just have to use the right lens. I found using a 58mm had serious Vignetting, but when I switched to my MAMIYA SEKOR C 80mm f 2.8 Medium Format 645 lens, with a dumb adapter, I have zero Vignetting. This is as they say in the instructions. This lens is 2.5 lbs and even in a Small Rig rail rig it pulled on my smaller taking lenses making them hard to turn the focus ring. This cannot be good for my old vintage lenses.
Hi Khairil! Thanks for this video, it's quite helpful. I recently got this lens and have it attached to the Nikon Z 50MM 1.8S. It screws right on without any adapters which is great. I am struggling to get any part of the image sharp at all though. I am wondering if I would need the diopters or the rangefinder to help with focus. Or is focusing on a 50mm full frame lens just not possible with this anamorphic adapter?
Sharp is a relative term here. Worry about the center.
I have been using it in Full Frame and it works fine on Full Frame. You just have to use the right lens. I found using a 58mm had serious Vignetting, but when I switched to my MAMIYA SEKOR C 80mm f 2.8 Medium Format 645 lens, with a dumb adapter, I have zero Vignetting. This is as they say in the instructions. This lens is 2.5 lbs and even in a Small Rig rail rig it pulled on my smaller taking lenses making them hard to turn the focus ring. This cannot be good for my old vintage lenses.
Watching this review over and over again doesn't make it feel any older. Always loved it and your other works too! I'm still debating whether on exploring into the anamorphic world or just stick with spherical setups and call it a day, but the cost of even venturing into those projector anamorphic adapters are quite steep man lol.
Any chance if you're planning to shoot a project on the x2 anamorphot in the future, would love to check it out on-hand. I've also got a cam setup to shoot at 4:3 mode too to checkout the full potential of the x2 anamorphic stretch! :)
Hi Vince! Thanks for the compliments. I will say if you start getting into anamorphics it can get pricey and not many clients for commercial projects are willing to go real anamorphic (probably because they wanna make sure they can square the frame for insta and FB, sigh) but if I do have one going on I'll hit you up ;) And if you wanna try out the lenses Kicapi rent out the 1.33x one on their site (under accesories).
I rewatch this (now the 3. time) a testament to youre fine reviews - i got the 133 x 50 - and a Pocketrig-on Speedboosted Nikons and Minoltas -vintage- and i really like what you do , with a similar setup,- ;)
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
The 50 actually refers to the max diameter of the front element of the lens that you mount this to, not the focal length.
Hey. Great video. Im completely new to anamorphic lenses/adaptors. Im actually really interested in shooting anamorphic stills as opposed to film. I have a canon 6d. Also a canon 60d(which is APS-C) i have the 50mm 1.8 lens also. What would you recommend i do? Is there a simple adaptor i can buy to fit on my lens and away i go? Or is it more complex than this... Thank you.
Hi and thanks for the great video tutorial. I was wondering what you would recommend for doing anamorphic stills with a Canon 5D Mk3?
Very good review, I think it's too difficult to use as a one man team run and gun...and to be honest it only looks good on landscape shots. If you're inside a tight space then it's super hard to compose a shot and it looks very soft.
thx for the review really helpful ^__^
Great video thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the info. Animorphic is really cool look especially if you can get something on the budget. BTW. Could you please write down the name of that David Beckham commercial or link to it thanks. I'm curious so check out the look.
Thanks for watching, Krunoslav! You can find the David Beckham ad by searching 'Marina Bay Sands David Beckham Singapore'
Thank you. Found it. Appreciate the info on the adapter and on the commercial. Cheers!
2x is definitely an interesting look, but I feel like the vast majority of filmmakers and videomakers wouldn't actually use it in real world scenarios.
The 1.33x probably is a more "realistic" option.
By the way, loved your shots, and nice setup for the a-roll!
Could you please mention benefits to 1.33 or what you mean that it more realistic option? thank you
Unless you're on MFT systems which gives you more room in focal lengths thus allowing you to use more range than a full frame system.
Also benefits of 2x is much more pronounced bokeh and shallower depth of field so more cinematic overall
im using gh4 so it better with 2x?
Thats what everyone is saying and being able to shoot in anamorphic mode (4:3) helps
Am I missing something or is 85mm FF not the same as 24mm on a BMPC? I mean, I see that it's 34,5mm vs 42,5mm and that different sensor sizes affect the overall outcome in terms of depth of field etc. but basically there shouldn't be a real difference or do you indeed get a much "wider" image vs does it just look wider?
Hey Khairill.. Very new to anamorphic for DSLR's.. Just wondering, would the Sigma 35mm Art + the GH4 (shooting in HD), be a solid combo ?
That sounds alright, though I haven't tried a 35mm with it on a micro 4/3 sensor, there may be some slight vignetting but I'm not too sure.
thanks !
Khairil, thanks for this reveiw. Ive got a x1.33 adapter plus the rangefinder adapter.. Ive been struggling to find the best lenses to use with both adapters together as the rangefinder vignettes with most of my lenses.
Mostly will use it on S35 cameras (Sony fs7, etc) and maybe some PL cameras too.
Any experience on whats the widest you can go on a s35 sensor with both adapters?? What lenses did work for you?
THanks!
Hi Agustin! From my personal experience, the widest I've ever managed to get on a S35 sensor was with a 35mm combined with a focal reducer. Whilst the 35mm would vignette on full frame, when combined with a focal reducer (or metabones speedbooster) the increased frame size wasn't quite that of a 35mm, more like a 38mm or 40mm.
That being said, there was still some slight, soft vignetting and mainly used it in darker shots. I'd be very curious to see how the sigma 30mm would look with it on an S35 camera, that might work. Or maybe a 28mm. Though with the rangefinder adapter there is that added possibility of vignetting.
Hope this info helps, and if you'd like to see how the 1.33 looks with a 35mm and focal reducer on an s35 sensor you can see an example of it in this music video I shot for a friend - ruclips.net/video/8Es9WK-I3Uk/видео.html - the wide shots where he's center of camera performing were with that lens setup on a Sony FS100.
Thanks Kahiril. Ive wrote SLR about this, as the adapter seems quite unusable when using the Rangefinder. Without the rangefinder ive managed to use a 35mm even on Full Frame with a little bit of vignetting, but when using it Iseem to even get vignetting with a 55mm. On S35 I tested it with a PL Lomo zoom on a Fs7 and couldnt go wider than 45mm with the rangefinder on.
Will try to find a metabones and do some tests with FF lenses and the speedbooster.
Will take a look at that clip. Cheers!!
What do you think would be the minimum focal length required if I were to use a 4:3 crop from the (already cropped from 4:3) 16:9 full frame sensor. Would 50mm suffice in that case?
Or if we were to crop out some portion from 16:9 2x to make it 2.66:1?
On full frame I doubt you could go lower than a 50mm if you're cropping out the sides. I tried that with a 50mm on my Sony A7s with this lens and I don't think I could push it further than that.
what would you recommend ? the 2x or the normal 1.33x? i have a GH4, GH5 :) should i get the 2x and shot in 4:3 mode
Hi there. If you have a GH4 or 5 I'd probably lean towards the 2x since you can shoot in 4:3 mode
What type of rig are you using, and how long are the bars? How would you have to adjust that type of rig to use the anamorphot on a Micro Cinema rather than the Pocket Cinema? Any difference?
I can't remember the full length of the bars off the top of my head, but for the short film they were quite long as the whole set up gets pretty lengthy on the lens side and I also needed to put my battery pack on the rails behind the camera. Regardless of what camera, though, you're going to have the same length at the front of the camera.
Hey bro, nice review. I saw Amelia somewhere in there... send my best from Marc (Hong Kong) :)
Thanks, will let her know! She's in the UK at the mo. How do you know Amelia?
loved the review. could I ask what lut or grade/log did you use at 3.44
Hi there! I was using the FilmConvert2 plugin on Vegas. The plugin is available on multiple formats. If I'm not mistaken (since it was a while back) I probably used the Kodak daylight stock in the plugin and pumped up the saturation a bit.
Khairil Bahar it was a clean look I liked it!
Try using a 645 lens with a dumb adapter.
can this adaptor be used on auto focus lens ??
respect. ;)
Which one are you using? 70mm?
how about a full frame zeiss 50 or 85mm 1.4 milvus on a super 35mm F55? hmmm
Hi, Simon! The 85mm on an F55 should work a treat on a super 35 sensor.
that's what I thought too! :)
You forgot to mentioned you can’t put a Matt Box in front of it and focus with it 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
What’s the point of going anamorphic if your image quality and color grading is very bad
Because I like it.
Brother I was fu..cking with the adapter for a few days now. What ratio I am supposed to shoot on ? I am using red dragon and there are so many ratios I can choose.
Hi there! If it's the same adapter it should be a 2:1 ratio.
how did you manage aberration tho?
why is there minimal to no vignetting on footage @ 12:45 ?
On the lenses I was using on that footage with the BMPCC I didn't get any. If I went any wider I would.
hahaha, sony vegas :))