Having seen the new trailer, I can kind of respect why - but not necessarily how - Mohg wants to create a new dynasty. His entire Omen race has not only been shafted to a life in the sewers, but also skewered and roasted by Messmer. I'd want to push back against that too. It opens up even more questions regarding the Sewer Mohg...was he there to investigate the power of the frenzied flame or guard people from it?
I suggest that the Mohg phantom, like that Margit phantom and Godfrey phantom, also the seal that blocks way to the mountains/Miquella and the seal that blocks passage into Deeproot Depths from Leyndell, are all controlled by Morgott. He inherited Marika’s illusory skills and is duty bound to guard the secrets of his mother’s plans. Which his brothers and Miquella are intimately involved. Which includes omen, crucible, blending of life, grafting, deathblight… etc
“Under you I am Lord of Blood, Blood Mother. With your blessing, I will incur wrath to all that is golden!” … “You want me to kidnap my half-brother? How would this lead to my revenge, Blood Mother?” … “Share my bedchamber with my half-brother? I suppose, if it incurs my wrath, I could.”
"The Formless Mother craves wounds." Formless. Mother. It is a synonym for the Crucible. What do we see in the dlc story trailer? Marika standing amongst bloody remains which are given FORM, the form of a tree. Thus, Formless Mother births new ages, like clay that can be formed into a vessel, then melted down and reborn/formed into something else. The Formless Mother is Life bled unto Quintessence, then reforged anew. Rykard and Mohg are both doing the same thing, as does the Scarlet Rot, though Malenia refuses to accept it. Rykard wants to "devourthe world" so the Amnion of a new age may be born. Hence, the Snake men.
GRRM loves to play with the concept of seasons. I think the GEQ was an entity (or perhaps an inheritable title) that was okay with the cycle of Life and Death, of summer and winter, of spring and fall. This cycle seems interrupted and intentionally paused in a summer of plenty. When the "Summer of Plenty" came to an end with the loss of sap production while the GEQ in charge.. We would get a Godskin Hunt to harvest the runes/blood/grace to start a new tree. Fall (Loss of Grace/Plenty) -> Winter (Death) -> Spring (Birth of a New Tree) -> Summer (Life Thrives)... repeat. Radagon is the OG. He seduced the GEQ, and together they had Messmer. Radagon betrayed the GEQ by not following in her path and killing everyone, harvesting everything, pouring it into a single tree, removing the rune of death, and freezing the world in a summer of plenty that can never end but also will be incapable of supporting everyone forever. He usurped the natural order because he thought he knew better. He did not, death is a tool for evolution. Removing it stagnates the world, and starves the world of it's grace. Grace cannot be created without birth and death, only harvested. Sidenote: I believe In the trailer we see Radagon turning into Marika for the first time. We see a very masculine form with red hair tinted gold by the lighting. He had to do this in order to become the God of his/her new age. He did not want to become Elden Lord. This helps to explain some of the split personality issues surrounding the destruction of the Elden Ring. Radagon always wanted the Golden Order, while Marika having seen the inevitable conclusion of the Golden Order wanted to tear it all down.
I don’t think the form is too masculine tbh, I know that was vaati’s perspective but the Marika we see at crucified at the end of the game is likewise lean and sinewy and the red tint could just as well be attributed to the lighting of the scene (surrounded by viscera). I think the rest of what you’re saying is very compelling though.
I like this theory the most because we get some ashes of ancient heroes like Christoph or Engall. For if they were truly the heroes who were given Erdtree Burial their souls should long be absorbed by the Erdtree and we should never be able to obtain them. The deathroot interrupted this absorption process thus the souls were left behind, and the Erdtree stopped producing sap. It's a very solid conclusion.
Rykard is a crucible. Alexander is a crucible. Mohgwyn Palace is a crucible. Godrick is a crucible. Even Radahn in his munching on dead soldiers endlessly. That may be why his rune burns.
The other definition of a crucible is this: a situation of severe trial, or in which different elements interact, leading to the creation of something new. "their relationship was forged in the crucible of war" In Elden Ring, the crucible is a real thing, but it also embodies this concept of competition, mixture, and adaptation.
The idea that, despite all the horrors that await us in the Land of Shadow, nothing is more terrifying than Miquella is quite unnerving...and exciting, of course!
Another great video, you have quickly risen right to the top tier of Elden Ring Lore content creators. I appreciate your hard work for the sake of our enjoyment, thanks Jack!
I gotta say, Jack. Your use of music in this episode is bloody spectacular. It builds right along with your momentum in a magical way. Done like a true musician! Brilliant work, my friend! You know I think your theories are strong and exquisite. We’ve discussed what you put in this video before. Absolutely superb execution of your ideas. You’re so good at this! Another masterpiece!!! It’s a 10/10 from me(h)!!!
I can't remember which content creator said it, but they were talking about the bodiless quality that all the characters that have a sealed eye seem to be. With Miyazaki saying that the body in the cocoon is related to Miquella and Miquella goes to the shadow realm for whatever goal he has. Would it be so crazy to think that the body would be Messmer? The body in the cocoon looks nothing like the still of Miquella and Mogh in the beginning of the game, the proportions of the body would definitely seem more of a Messmer build, and the ring was shown by Zullie or SekiroDubi to look like snakes twisting over each other. IDK, but just think about it ya know!
This is surprisingly solid. I am beginning to believe that the Haligtree is actually a tool to let Miquella be freed from his flesh - He buried himself into the Haligtree, and his body and soul would be absorbed by this "New Erdtree" if nothing happened. But Malenia's rot killed the tree before the full absorption by Miquella's calculation, then his soul was freed from the Haligtree. Also, Mohg took away his flesh before its fully absorbed too. Is this also a part of his plan? If so, he is truly a master of schemes and fearsome as Malenia said.
Okay Jack! I don’t think I’ve commented this theory of mine on your channel yet, but this is how I think the Crucible works. Maybe this is common sense, but I believe that the mechanic of “Remembrances” may relate very closely to the nature of the Crucible with the Erdtree and its predecessor. The reason creatures are able to blend in this melting pot of life through the Crucible is through the power of the Erdtree; that is, the tree stores the lives and “memories” of those buried near it in the form of aspects. The Crucible Knights can pull the different aspects of great beasts from the Erdtree that we don’t see in the Lands Between today, because of how all life once connected to the tree. I believe we may see these great beasts in the DLC’s Shadowlands. The Golden Order Erdtree does a similar thing with its Remembrances, and the player Tarnished can turn those Remembrances into aspects of those bosses. I think the key difference is that the current Erdtree, with its order, cannot allow life to change and blend through it. Because of this, players can only acquire aspects in the form of codified knowledge or a physical item, and cannot, say, grow a muscular Godfrey arm. Thinking on GOF, if all things are connected in a chain of relation, and all things yearn eternally to converge, that would make those rules constants since at least the first great tree, and possibly earlier! Thank you for reading my theory. If you disagree with it, tell me what you think! If you have anything to add, talk to me as well! Have a great day everyone! tl;dr: All life is connected together by the primordial Erdtree; The tree holds the life and memories of life of all deceased creatures, and so other creatures pull from and blend into those memories through birth or faith.
What is also interesting about Remembrances is that they are of the last moments of that person before they are felled. We receive the Remembrance of Horah Loux and not Godfrey, we receive the Remembrance of the Goddess of Rot and not the Blade of Miquella It goes to show how exactly hewning "Remembrances", or consciousness, or souls, or spirits, into the Erdtree works. It is truly their last moments before they are consumed. What is interesting though is why do we gain the Remembrance that is supposedly hewn into the Erdtree? Is it gameplay, or is it something else?
@@JackisaMimic A provoking thought! … After much consideration through writing I now have another new theory! 👏🏻✌🏻 Maybe that this is part of how the Crucible, in all its conflict-driven glory, originally worked. Perhaps all life under the purview of the Erdtree is already hewn into the tree, at least partially. As one defeats creatures they gain their runes, and when a creature with a significant amount of runes (one comparable to a champion) is defeated by us, that life is then completely hewn into the wood of the Erdtree as a remembrance of that champion. To answer your question, I believe we gain them because that is the original design of the Erdtree; for creatures to take strength by combat, as much of the life in the history of the Lands Between did before us. To spin something else… The Two Fingers all seem to be made of wood! Perhaps the Finger Readers read not just the motions of the Fingers but the lines of their wood, just as a fortune teller reads the lines in our palms. When the Tarnished touches the Two Fingers for the first time, they gain the ability to perform “The Ring” gesture. Trees have rings. An accomplished & especially wizened Finger Reader like Enia could possibly read the “ancient rings’ of the tree in her mind or the wooden Fingers before her, and therefore touch a primordial trait of the Erdtree, granting the Tarnished an aspect of the remembrance when they could only otherwise attain runes from it.
Hear me out do you think Miqualla whilst feeding the Haligtree his blood communed with the formless mother. The reason the thought came to me is because we see his eyes being covered which is typically a precursor to communion with an outergod and he realized the haligtree would fail after speaking with her. So he sends melania to kill radahn to free the stars and has mohg defile his body in such a way that he can divest himself of his golden lineage. And the formless mother agrees to becon mohg because miquella with his divine allure was able to convince her that he would be able to give her more blood than mohg. Which is why all of his attempts to establish a dynasty failed. I know this is crazy speculation but the way you mentioned miquella “bloodletting” gave me the thought
I think that everything Miquella has done was to set the world the way it is when our Tarnished arrives. Malenia wasn’t sent to kill Radahn, but to rot his mind and lock the stars in place. Only his death can set them in motion, and only we can kill him All flows through the currents of Causality 😜
Maybe removing his rune does allow him to travel to the shadow as his spirit won't be returned to the erd tree once he lifts the curse afflicted by the erd tree.
Great eye pointing out the red in the numen rune being removed, especially with the association in elden ring between the colour red and destined death.
Great Video! Replayed Bloodborne to see if anything stuck out to me. When I got to Maria I considered, if Maria=Malenia, does Research Hall=Haligtree? The patients wandering aimlessly, mid transformation, seeking purpose. The misbegotten wandering aimlessly, the albinaurics mid transformation, the soldiers seeking purpose. Then I got to the fishing hamlet and saw the boat graves that look just like the ones in Stormveil before the corpse of Godwyn and thought, does Prince of Death=Ophan of Kos?! But the consideration that Miquella was running a “Research Hall” is disturbing! Fear the Old Blood indeed.
In terms of why omen were despised; in ancient times, if your child was deformed or diseased in any way, it was seen as "karma" for something their ancestors/parents did or as punishment from a god. This plus Omenkillers are textbook George Martin, he loves to highlight the more grim and esoteric aspects of ancient society like rampant infanticide (Omenkillers). That's why they're called "Omen" and even "Misbegotten" who were once referred to as Radagon's Children (defunct lore though)
@@_CrimsonBlade because he tried to revived him before already, and maybe to fight us just incase we don’t agree with his plan. Miquella is not a fighter
I'm thinking something similar! I believe gold and red order and life were the crucible. Merika removing the gold from the a wound. A greater will vs a mother of truth lol I love the outer god lore
This is beautiful. And the big ice and fire RUclipsrs should at least give this a reason. It’s not wild, but surprising, that none of them have played this game to draw the similarities.
Well. Fantastic! I can’t believe I’ve overlooked the significance of the deathroot in chests and the dudes guarding/delivering it. Well, always a delight to see someone more informed than me on GRRM’s work explain my own thoughts are actually already in what he has written elsewhere. Specifically the whole roots possibly being a dang hive mind of souls type deal. Also the trees being connected. I will forever push that the Erdtree is a plant like the Quaking Aspen. Anywho. I may rewatch and do my customary drooling if thoughts. Something about runes.
I would say the more relevant definition of crucible would be the secondary, more metaphysical "a situation of severe trial, or in which concentrated forces interact, leading to the creation of something new."
the crucible knights are named after epochs of earth's geological time and I feel like it's never discussed enough. Ordivis - Ordovician Siluria - Silurian I want to imagine tanith's knight is named Devonia or Cambris
I hope we get to see the formless mother or interact with her in the shadowlands. As there is clearly a purge of omens happening perhaps the formless mother will be involved in the plot.
Very interesting theory. It holds a lot of weight. In particular, the blood, and how Miquella needs blood from the mighty warriors who died in the Shattering, Radahn's blood as Strongest Demigod mixed with the Aeonia from Malenia's rot, and finally, Mogh's cursed blood, fed to Miquella directly and spilled as a sacrifice. All poured over Miquella's cocoon, feeding and watering him like a tree waiting to grow. Gideon was right about one thing: it would be best if Miquella did not wake up. Who knows what kind of powerful deity would rise from all those powers mixed together, and then all the negative aspects shed off, because Miquella can deny the influence of outsiders, keeping him pure. Why does he need all that blood? Because Gods do not bleed themselves. Miquella used his own blood previously, but now as the sleeping god, he has none to give.
I wonder if we will find Ranni’s Great Rune here. Theory: what if Ranni goes to the Land of Shadow. She speaks of divesting herself of her flesh to embark on a *Dark Journey* I assumed she headed to the stars, but what if her dark moon is her pathway to the Land of Shadow(not like we will see here there) but maybe we will find that she has been here and left her Great Rune here.🤔
I'd note that only Mohg and Morgott use bloodflame, and Mohg doesn't even use the muddy wraith flame that is iconic to the Omen. So I suspect the Formless Mother was drawn to the Omen twins because they were demigods, not because they were Omen. Not unlike Malenia and the Scarlet Rot.
am getting all the cross-references likely mixed up, but the sword named SORROW and the one named LIGHT-RINGER i mean Bringer makes me really curious about the alchemical mysteries behind magic and woods (witch, weir et al.). Iron embodies the colour red and that RED SPEERLIKE line diagonally piercing mystic Marika... really makes me wonder if Morgott siphoned iron/red out of their blood while Mogh doing the reverse with lightning/yellow. will watch your vid now and see what you brewed up for us 🐉💜🥳🔥
Crucibles don't just combine metals as a melting pot, they are often used to refine or purify materials 1st, to help ensure a successful transmutation.
10:16 Martin might have not written any Erdtree lore though. Or perhaps he didn't write the centrality of the Erdtree (in the Golden Order)? It's hard to know what Miyazaki meant regarding this. Maybe there was a massive tree, but the "gold motif" and such properties had nothing to do with it, so Martin knew the idea but none of the aesthetics that took shape in the game. In all likelihood we will never know. Still, this feels more like Miyazaki looping lore elements on themselves due to Martin's involvement. Frankly, I can imagine him doing that and giggling to himself about it. It might also be the case that Fromsoft is very much proud of ER's aesthetics and wants to separate them from the foundational lore which was birthed elsewhere, hence Miyazaki's half-baked distinction. I wouldn't blame them as artists, the game is fantastically beautiful and everyone involved should be proud of it, or at least very much satisfied. I do not believe this matters much for the comparisons/parallels in question though. They stand on their own. That aside, it never occurred to me, nor do I recall ever seeing it mentioned until now, how peculiar it is that we don't grab deathroot like a rotten apple hanging from an infected part of the roots, right after a boss is dealt with. It's always inside a chest like common loot, left by some otherwise untainted roots, as you point out. Ah... that is indeed curious. We indeed have another flair to Miq's "watering" of his tree now, courtesy of the perplexing first scene in the story trailer. As it makes it that much more likely that there was a massive sacrifice at the incipience of the Erdtree, and it was this, and not the would-be perfect system of holistic recycling, that granted it its power and status. "Die a hero and you can join this most sacred tree by appointed burial!" The propaganda practically writes itself. After all, who opposes a radiant, life-giving world tree? Yet everyone did. As strong as Miq was, he's not stronger than a masse of fertilizing bodies, maybe a mountain of them - quantity of over quality. And "failed to grow into an Erdtree" is also a curious way of putting it, as if there's a way of growing these things by blood ministration - youthful, godly, noble, cursed, all of those... or otherwise.
A crucible is also used in spiritual alchemical as a symbol for the purification of a soul through the process of discipline and suffering. I am curious if this concept will come up as the DLC expands the Lord.
Jack again justifying his channel's spot in my toppest tier of ER Lore. I've been waiting for more speculation on the relationship between axes and trees in the story because it seems so deliberate, and its been bugging me like crazy. The Crucible knights having "Axe Armor" but carrying swords, is just wild to me. And it could be said that they wear that in reverence of Godfrey, but then why does the Tree Armor exist? So the game is definitely trying to lead us somewhere with that. I'll have to take note where we find each type of C.knight from now on. Here's some random speculation i have only thought about for about 3 minutes. Whyyyyy does Morgott's body stick around when Mogh's does not? This video is the first time I've actually sat and watched Morgott's model die, particlize, and change into the husk we're able speak to. Mogh, i just beat again last night, and he just turns to dust, no corpse. The model in the egg looks just like Morgott, TWIN OF MOGH. The Mogh we fight just coagulates out of blood anyway, so i dont think we have to take for granted that THAT is his real, full body anyway. (It seems his soul was certainly in it at least tho). I def think there are a lot of issues with the idea that Mogh is actually the one in the cocoon. But the reason this bug has just entered my brain is that FromSoft has taken considerable effort to do things like specifically crafting the faces of NPCs that we will never see in game. This specifically is either for practice and testing of the character creator, or its because they know that their nuts fans are going to go in and look at things like this. I'd say that looking in on the body in the egg is around the same tier as investigating unseen NPC faces, and its just weird to me that they would drop that specific model, here near this particular boss, instead of making a generic one, or one that looked like Miquella or anything else, they could have filled the egg with a blood texture and just modeled the arm. Okay enough, whew. Thank you for the videos as always, praise the Sunrealm 😅
I'm starting to suspect that the Formless Mother will be greatly expanded upon in the DLC. Too many themes were covered in the trailers. Motherhood. Truth. Fire. Blood. And I really hope we're not headed for another Aldrich, Devourer of Gods situation, but with blood instead of decay.
Imma keep repeating this. The formless mother is godwyns real mother and the rune marika pulled out was a lock of godwyns golden hair. Even before the erdtree godwyn was connected to death. Im calling it 😎
Yet another great video. But for your next one, will you touch on how Vyke can have 2 great runes? (And the other tarnished) Like who did he kill to get them and where did they go? The game treats it like it’s not a big deal someone else have been collecting great Runes. I’ve always thought his relationship with lansseax was weird. Like he’s just a tarnished, and lansseax deffinitly don’t fuck with us (our tarnished). Godwyn could’ve had a great rune aswell, maybe vyke or someone else took it. And why are there 2 Vykes and why was he at the frenzied villige if he got touched in the capitol? I think I’m asking for a Vyke video instead with this comment… he just makes my head hurt when I think about him. AND he’s the poster boy he gotta be important.
I can just explain that here There are two Roundtable Holds: the Fortified Manor and the Table of Lost Grace When it comes to looking at the Tarnished, and those who were at the Roundtable Hold we have to deduce which Roundtable Hold The requirement for needing two Great Runes is giving to us at the Table of Lost Grace, which exists in some ethereal form. Having two Great Runes gives us access to Leyndell The Fortified Manor is already in Leyndell, thus if Vyke was a member of that Roundtable Hold he wouldn’t need any Great Runes. The point is that the Great Rune criteria seems to only be relevant for those part of the Table of Lost Grace, and the mysteries there in Why didn’t Vyke need Great Runes, but our Tarnished does? Well, I think it’s all part of the plan 😉
Most likely a Tarnished who was present during the Shattering War After the Elden Ring is Shattered is when the Tarnished begin returning to the Lands Between, so there is this period of many characters and people doing various things before our arrival to the world So whatever Vyke, and many of the other Tarnished, did occurred after the Elden Ring is Shattered but before our arrival. It makes it much easier to understand these characters when you place them in a defined place on the timeline like this, and based on the criteria for returning Tarnished, we can deduce that this is that period
Cool theory that Marika betrayed the Numens, also makes more sense now why they would help Ranni and possibly Mikela by killing Godwyn and creating Deathroot, basically starting the end of her reign
Marika shatters; Radagon Repairs. Separately this looks like they are in opposition with each other, but remember, Radagon is Marika. The act of destroying and repairing is known as Reforging. Marika remade the world.
So the Haligtree failed, because it wasn't made out of thousands of corpses stacked on top of eachother. Guess just one demigods blood isn't nearly enough.
What if: Miquella was supposed to be the next God/Order after Godwyn died BUT Marika didn't want to pass down the throne. Radagon sided with Miquella and broke the elden ring. What yall think?
Perhaps unalloyed gold is the creation of Gold and Grace without the need of excluding or removing the red. It was created as pure gold, and not created from the subtraction of something else Does that make sense?
@@JackisaMimic Took me a minute but I think so? Of course, like the Haligtree. Miquella abandoned fundamentalism, divested himself of fate and all things golden. So many rabbit holes. Maybe unrelated but I'm also reminded of the colorless eclipse. And colors themselves seemingly having attributes, like red with vigor, blue with a calm or intelligence. I don't feel like I'm playing Elden Ring anymore, I'm learning it ahah.
Any Fromsoftware game is 100% better when you are trying to understand the lore. Trying to solve the misteries and history of the games lore with the community is truly special.
Having seen the new trailer, I can kind of respect why - but not necessarily how - Mohg wants to create a new dynasty. His entire Omen race has not only been shafted to a life in the sewers, but also skewered and roasted by Messmer. I'd want to push back against that too.
It opens up even more questions regarding the Sewer Mohg...was he there to investigate the power of the frenzied flame or guard people from it?
I suggest that the Mohg phantom, like that Margit phantom and Godfrey phantom, also the seal that blocks way to the mountains/Miquella and the seal that blocks passage into Deeproot Depths from Leyndell, are all controlled by Morgott. He inherited Marika’s illusory skills and is duty bound to guard the secrets of his mother’s plans. Which his brothers and Miquella are intimately involved.
Which includes omen, crucible, blending of life, grafting, deathblight… etc
“Under you I am Lord of Blood, Blood Mother. With your blessing, I will incur wrath to all that is golden!”
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“You want me to kidnap my half-brother? How would this lead to my revenge, Blood Mother?”
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“Share my bedchamber with my half-brother? I suppose, if it incurs my wrath, I could.”
Sewer Mogh could be an illusion to keep up appearances - that he's still trapped down there and noone should be worried about him
@@kreadapelu8813The other phantoms "die" with a gold particle effect. Mogh at home does not. He has a black smoke effect.
Gurranq has the biggest version of that shadow death effect.
"The Formless Mother craves wounds." Formless. Mother. It is a synonym for the Crucible. What do we see in the dlc story trailer? Marika standing amongst bloody remains which are given FORM, the form of a tree. Thus, Formless Mother births new ages, like clay that can be formed into a vessel, then melted down and reborn/formed into something else. The Formless Mother is Life bled unto Quintessence, then reforged anew.
Rykard and Mohg are both doing the same thing, as does the Scarlet Rot, though Malenia refuses to accept it. Rykard wants to "devourthe world" so the Amnion of a new age may be born. Hence, the Snake men.
GRRM loves to play with the concept of seasons. I think the GEQ was an entity (or perhaps an inheritable title) that was okay with the cycle of Life and Death, of summer and winter, of spring and fall. This cycle seems interrupted and intentionally paused in a summer of plenty. When the "Summer of Plenty" came to an end with the loss of sap production while the GEQ in charge.. We would get a Godskin Hunt to harvest the runes/blood/grace to start a new tree. Fall (Loss of Grace/Plenty) -> Winter (Death) -> Spring (Birth of a New Tree) -> Summer (Life Thrives)... repeat.
Radagon is the OG. He seduced the GEQ, and together they had Messmer. Radagon betrayed the GEQ by not following in her path and killing everyone, harvesting everything, pouring it into a single tree, removing the rune of death, and freezing the world in a summer of plenty that can never end but also will be incapable of supporting everyone forever. He usurped the natural order because he thought he knew better. He did not, death is a tool for evolution. Removing it stagnates the world, and starves the world of it's grace. Grace cannot be created without birth and death, only harvested.
Sidenote: I believe In the trailer we see Radagon turning into Marika for the first time. We see a very masculine form with red hair tinted gold by the lighting. He had to do this in order to become the God of his/her new age. He did not want to become Elden Lord. This helps to explain some of the split personality issues surrounding the destruction of the Elden Ring. Radagon always wanted the Golden Order, while Marika having seen the inevitable conclusion of the Golden Order wanted to tear it all down.
I don’t think the form is too masculine tbh, I know that was vaati’s perspective but the Marika we see at crucified at the end of the game is likewise lean and sinewy and the red tint could just as well be attributed to the lighting of the scene (surrounded by viscera). I think the rest of what you’re saying is very compelling though.
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I like this theory the most because we get some ashes of ancient heroes like Christoph or Engall. For if they were truly the heroes who were given Erdtree Burial their souls should long be absorbed by the Erdtree and we should never be able to obtain them. The deathroot interrupted this absorption process thus the souls were left behind, and the Erdtree stopped producing sap. It's a very solid conclusion.
Rykard is a crucible. Alexander is a crucible. Mohgwyn Palace is a crucible. Godrick is a crucible.
Even Radahn in his munching on dead soldiers endlessly. That may be why his rune burns.
You got it
And you’re not even lying 😩
"The power of the crucible can be MIMICed..." - Jack giving us Graceful Side-eye
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@@trevorj.gentle205 this was 7 days ago lol. Please look through yourself. It was somewhere in the first half of the video
The other definition of a crucible is this:
a situation of severe trial, or in which different elements interact, leading to the creation of something new.
"their relationship was forged in the crucible of war"
In Elden Ring, the crucible is a real thing, but it also embodies this concept of competition, mixture, and adaptation.
The idea that, despite all the horrors that await us in the Land of Shadow, nothing is more terrifying than Miquella is quite unnerving...and exciting, of course!
Another great video, you have quickly risen right to the top tier of Elden Ring Lore content creators. I appreciate your hard work for the sake of our enjoyment, thanks Jack!
i agree!
I gotta say, Jack. Your use of music in this episode is bloody spectacular. It builds right along with your momentum in a magical way. Done like a true musician! Brilliant work, my friend!
You know I think your theories are strong and exquisite. We’ve discussed what you put in this video before. Absolutely superb execution of your ideas. You’re so good at this!
Another masterpiece!!!
It’s a 10/10 from me(h)!!!
the way you presented your case for the deathroots in catacombs to miquella has me gagged!! so good!!!
I can't remember which content creator said it, but they were talking about the bodiless quality that all the characters that have a sealed eye seem to be. With Miyazaki saying that the body in the cocoon is related to Miquella and Miquella goes to the shadow realm for whatever goal he has. Would it be so crazy to think that the body would be Messmer? The body in the cocoon looks nothing like the still of Miquella and Mogh in the beginning of the game, the proportions of the body would definitely seem more of a Messmer build, and the ring was shown by Zullie or SekiroDubi to look like snakes twisting over each other. IDK, but just think about it ya know!
Now that you say it, the arm looks like Messmer's
Holy crap!! That overgrown arm does suit messmer more than miquella! And messmer does have only one eye.. I think you may be onto something there
I can tell you've been upping your presentation. Good work
It was so quiet and getting more and more intense that when the glockenspiel bells came in as you were talking it scared me so badly I tended up 😂🤣😂
This is surprisingly solid. I am beginning to believe that the Haligtree is actually a tool to let Miquella be freed from his flesh - He buried himself into the Haligtree, and his body and soul would be absorbed by this "New Erdtree" if nothing happened. But Malenia's rot killed the tree before the full absorption by Miquella's calculation, then his soul was freed from the Haligtree. Also, Mohg took away his flesh before its fully absorbed too. Is this also a part of his plan? If so, he is truly a master of schemes and fearsome as Malenia said.
Okay Jack! I don’t think I’ve commented this theory of mine on your channel yet, but this is how I think the Crucible works.
Maybe this is common sense, but I believe that the mechanic of “Remembrances” may relate very closely to the nature of the Crucible with the Erdtree and its predecessor. The reason creatures are able to blend in this melting pot of life through the Crucible is through the power of the Erdtree; that is, the tree stores the lives and “memories” of those buried near it in the form of aspects. The Crucible Knights can pull the different aspects of great beasts from the Erdtree that we don’t see in the Lands Between today, because of how all life once connected to the tree. I believe we may see these great beasts in the DLC’s Shadowlands.
The Golden Order Erdtree does a similar thing with its Remembrances, and the player Tarnished can turn those Remembrances into aspects of those bosses. I think the key difference is that the current Erdtree, with its order, cannot allow life to change and blend through it. Because of this, players can only acquire aspects in the form of codified knowledge or a physical item, and cannot, say, grow a muscular Godfrey arm. Thinking on GOF, if all things are connected in a chain of relation, and all things yearn eternally to converge, that would make those rules constants since at least the first great tree, and possibly earlier!
Thank you for reading my theory. If you disagree with it, tell me what you think! If you have anything to add, talk to me as well! Have a great day everyone!
tl;dr: All life is connected together by the primordial Erdtree; The tree holds the life and memories of life of all deceased creatures, and so other creatures pull from and blend into those memories through birth or faith.
What is also interesting about Remembrances is that they are of the last moments of that person before they are felled. We receive the Remembrance of Horah Loux and not Godfrey, we receive the Remembrance of the Goddess of Rot and not the Blade of Miquella
It goes to show how exactly hewning "Remembrances", or consciousness, or souls, or spirits, into the Erdtree works. It is truly their last moments before they are consumed.
What is interesting though is why do we gain the Remembrance that is supposedly hewn into the Erdtree? Is it gameplay, or is it something else?
@@JackisaMimic A provoking thought! … After much consideration through writing I now have another new theory! 👏🏻✌🏻
Maybe that this is part of how the Crucible, in all its conflict-driven glory, originally worked. Perhaps all life under the purview of the Erdtree is already hewn into the tree, at least partially.
As one defeats creatures they gain their runes, and when a creature with a significant amount of runes (one comparable to a champion) is defeated by us, that life is then completely hewn into the wood of the Erdtree as a remembrance of that champion.
To answer your question, I believe we gain them because that is the original design of the Erdtree; for creatures to take strength by combat, as much of the life in the history of the Lands Between did before us.
To spin something else… The Two Fingers all seem to be made of wood! Perhaps the Finger Readers read not just the motions of the Fingers but the lines of their wood, just as a fortune teller reads the lines in our palms. When the Tarnished touches the Two Fingers for the first time, they gain the ability to perform “The Ring” gesture. Trees have rings. An accomplished & especially wizened Finger Reader like Enia could possibly read the “ancient rings’ of the tree in her mind or the wooden Fingers before her, and therefore touch a primordial trait of the Erdtree, granting the Tarnished an aspect of the remembrance when they could only otherwise attain runes from it.
BEEN WAITING FOR THE VIDEO!
This channel is awesome! Thanks for the entertaining morning.
This made so much sense and really got me thinking man... thank you for another great video!
- Russell
Hear me out do you think Miqualla whilst feeding the Haligtree his blood communed with the formless mother. The reason the thought came to me is because we see his eyes being covered which is typically a precursor to communion with an outergod and he realized the haligtree would fail after speaking with her. So he sends melania to kill radahn to free the stars and has mohg defile his body in such a way that he can divest himself of his golden lineage. And the formless mother agrees to becon mohg because miquella with his divine allure was able to convince her that he would be able to give her more blood than mohg. Which is why all of his attempts to establish a dynasty failed. I know this is crazy speculation but the way you mentioned miquella “bloodletting” gave me the thought
I think that everything Miquella has done was to set the world the way it is when our Tarnished arrives. Malenia wasn’t sent to kill Radahn, but to rot his mind and lock the stars in place. Only his death can set them in motion, and only we can kill him
All flows through the currents of Causality 😜
Maybe removing his rune does allow him to travel to the shadow as his spirit won't be returned to the erd tree once he lifts the curse afflicted by the erd tree.
Great eye pointing out the red in the numen rune being removed, especially with the association in elden ring between the colour red and destined death.
What does Miquella want?
"Vengeance. Justice. Fire and Blood"
amazing work Jack
I like the title Jack, see what you did there with the George R.R Martian book “ Fire and Blood “
Glad someone caught it! House of the Dragon season 2 comes back the same week as the DLC. Im eating good!
I’m glad you mention the three parts of the elden ring.. this is why I’ve BEEN saying the golden order is the elden ring fighting with its offspring
Great Video! Replayed Bloodborne to see if anything stuck out to me. When I got to Maria I considered, if Maria=Malenia, does Research Hall=Haligtree? The patients wandering aimlessly, mid transformation, seeking purpose. The misbegotten wandering aimlessly, the albinaurics mid transformation, the soldiers seeking purpose. Then I got to the fishing hamlet and saw the boat graves that look just like the ones in Stormveil before the corpse of Godwyn and thought, does Prince of Death=Ophan of Kos?! But the consideration that Miquella was running a “Research Hall” is disturbing! Fear the Old Blood indeed.
Luminary Mohg!💜✨💜✨ Diving in now, Jack!!! Here we GOOOOOOOO!!!!
In terms of why omen were despised; in ancient times, if your child was deformed or diseased in any way, it was seen as "karma" for something their ancestors/parents did or as punishment from a god. This plus Omenkillers are textbook George Martin, he loves to highlight the more grim and esoteric aspects of ancient society like rampant infanticide (Omenkillers).
That's why they're called "Omen" and even "Misbegotten" who were once referred to as Radagon's Children (defunct lore though)
Imagine Miquella summoning Godwyn as the last boss with some crazy cutscenes, and he’s a dragon with the second phase being Godwyn the prince of Death
Why the hell would he do that
@@_CrimsonBlade because he tried to revived him before already, and maybe to fight us just incase we don’t agree with his plan. Miquella is not a fighter
He will just put you to sleep and stab you with a needle and then control your mind
I'm thinking something similar! I believe gold and red order and life were the crucible. Merika removing the gold from the a wound. A greater will vs a mother of truth lol I love the outer god lore
This is beautiful. And the big ice and fire RUclipsrs should at least give this a reason. It’s not wild, but surprising, that none of them have played this game to draw the similarities.
Well. Fantastic! I can’t believe I’ve overlooked the significance of the deathroot in chests and the dudes guarding/delivering it. Well, always a delight to see someone more informed than me on GRRM’s work explain my own thoughts are actually already in what he has written elsewhere. Specifically the whole roots possibly being a dang hive mind of souls type deal. Also the trees being connected. I will forever push that the Erdtree is a plant like the Quaking Aspen.
Anywho. I may rewatch and do my customary drooling if thoughts.
Something about runes.
I would say the more relevant definition of crucible would be the secondary, more metaphysical "a situation of severe trial, or in which concentrated forces interact, leading to the creation of something new."
the crucible knights are named after epochs of earth's geological time and I feel like it's never discussed enough.
Ordivis - Ordovician
Siluria - Silurian
I want to imagine tanith's knight is named Devonia or Cambris
I never noticed that the golden epitaph has a corpse on it in the golden order totality pose.
I heard some things in your video I haven't heard in others, nice!
I hope we get to see the formless mother or interact with her in the shadowlands. As there is clearly a purge of omens happening perhaps the formless mother will be involved in the plot.
You wont
Very interesting theory. It holds a lot of weight.
In particular, the blood, and how Miquella needs blood from the mighty warriors who died in the Shattering, Radahn's blood as Strongest Demigod mixed with the Aeonia from Malenia's rot, and finally, Mogh's cursed blood, fed to Miquella directly and spilled as a sacrifice.
All poured over Miquella's cocoon, feeding and watering him like a tree waiting to grow.
Gideon was right about one thing: it would be best if Miquella did not wake up. Who knows what kind of powerful deity would rise from all those powers mixed together, and then all the negative aspects shed off, because Miquella can deny the influence of outsiders, keeping him pure.
Why does he need all that blood? Because Gods do not bleed themselves.
Miquella used his own blood previously, but now as the sleeping god, he has none to give.
I wonder if we will find Ranni’s Great Rune here.
Theory: what if Ranni goes to the Land of Shadow. She speaks of divesting herself of her flesh to embark on a *Dark Journey*
I assumed she headed to the stars, but what if her dark moon is her pathway to the Land of Shadow(not like we will see here there) but maybe we will find that she has been here and left her Great Rune here.🤔
I'd note that only Mohg and Morgott use bloodflame, and Mohg doesn't even use the muddy wraith flame that is iconic to the Omen. So I suspect the Formless Mother was drawn to the Omen twins because they were demigods, not because they were Omen. Not unlike Malenia and the Scarlet Rot.
am getting all the cross-references likely mixed up, but the sword named SORROW and the one named LIGHT-RINGER i mean Bringer makes me really curious about the alchemical mysteries behind magic and woods (witch, weir et al.). Iron embodies the colour red and that RED SPEERLIKE line diagonally piercing mystic Marika... really makes me wonder if Morgott siphoned iron/red out of their blood while Mogh doing the reverse with lightning/yellow. will watch your vid now and see what you brewed up for us 🐉💜🥳🔥
Crucibles don't just combine metals as a melting pot, they are often used to refine or purify materials 1st, to help ensure a successful transmutation.
10:16 Martin might have not written any Erdtree lore though. Or perhaps he didn't write the centrality of the Erdtree (in the Golden Order)? It's hard to know what Miyazaki meant regarding this. Maybe there was a massive tree, but the "gold motif" and such properties had nothing to do with it, so Martin knew the idea but none of the aesthetics that took shape in the game. In all likelihood we will never know. Still, this feels more like Miyazaki looping lore elements on themselves due to Martin's involvement. Frankly, I can imagine him doing that and giggling to himself about it. It might also be the case that Fromsoft is very much proud of ER's aesthetics and wants to separate them from the foundational lore which was birthed elsewhere, hence Miyazaki's half-baked distinction. I wouldn't blame them as artists, the game is fantastically beautiful and everyone involved should be proud of it, or at least very much satisfied. I do not believe this matters much for the comparisons/parallels in question though. They stand on their own.
That aside, it never occurred to me, nor do I recall ever seeing it mentioned until now, how peculiar it is that we don't grab deathroot like a rotten apple hanging from an infected part of the roots, right after a boss is dealt with. It's always inside a chest like common loot, left by some otherwise untainted roots, as you point out. Ah... that is indeed curious.
We indeed have another flair to Miq's "watering" of his tree now, courtesy of the perplexing first scene in the story trailer. As it makes it that much more likely that there was a massive sacrifice at the incipience of the Erdtree, and it was this, and not the would-be perfect system of holistic recycling, that granted it its power and status. "Die a hero and you can join this most sacred tree by appointed burial!" The propaganda practically writes itself. After all, who opposes a radiant, life-giving world tree? Yet everyone did. As strong as Miq was, he's not stronger than a masse of fertilizing bodies, maybe a mountain of them - quantity of over quality. And "failed to grow into an Erdtree" is also a curious way of putting it, as if there's a way of growing these things by blood ministration - youthful, godly, noble, cursed, all of those... or otherwise.
A crucible is also used in spiritual alchemical as a symbol for the purification of a soul through the process of discipline and suffering. I am curious if this concept will come up as the DLC expands the Lord.
Oh that seems like its right on the money! Never knew that, thank you for sharing!
Jack again justifying his channel's spot in my toppest tier of ER Lore. I've been waiting for more speculation on the relationship between axes and trees in the story because it seems so deliberate, and its been bugging me like crazy.
The Crucible knights having "Axe Armor" but carrying swords, is just wild to me. And it could be said that they wear that in reverence of Godfrey, but then why does the Tree Armor exist? So the game is definitely trying to lead us somewhere with that.
I'll have to take note where we find each type of C.knight from now on.
Here's some random speculation i have only thought about for about 3 minutes.
Whyyyyy does Morgott's body stick around when Mogh's does not? This video is the first time I've actually sat and watched Morgott's model die, particlize, and change into the husk we're able speak to. Mogh, i just beat again last night, and he just turns to dust, no corpse. The model in the egg looks just like Morgott, TWIN OF MOGH. The Mogh we fight just coagulates out of blood anyway, so i dont think we have to take for granted that THAT is his real, full body anyway. (It seems his soul was certainly in it at least tho).
I def think there are a lot of issues with the idea that Mogh is actually the one in the cocoon. But the reason this bug has just entered my brain is that FromSoft has taken considerable effort to do things like specifically crafting the faces of NPCs that we will never see in game. This specifically is either for practice and testing of the character creator, or its because they know that their nuts fans are going to go in and look at things like this. I'd say that looking in on the body in the egg is around the same tier as investigating unseen NPC faces, and its just weird to me that they would drop that specific model, here near this particular boss, instead of making a generic one, or one that looked like Miquella or anything else, they could have filled the egg with a blood texture and just modeled the arm.
Okay enough, whew. Thank you for the videos as always, praise the Sunrealm 😅
We talk about Mohgs disappearing body in the next video!
What is Miquella’s relationship with the carians/ Ranni in particular, since he trusted her enough with the spirit calling bell
This one was really compelling
Thanks again Jack/Mimic!
I think you're onto something with how you described the details of Miquella's potential great scheme. It makes a lot of sense.
great video!
THE PELVIS?! The amount of stuff that's right in front of my eyes but i only realise on RUclips is baffling to me.
I'm starting to suspect that the Formless Mother will be greatly expanded upon in the DLC. Too many themes were covered in the trailers. Motherhood. Truth. Fire. Blood.
And I really hope we're not headed for another Aldrich, Devourer of Gods situation, but with blood instead of decay.
Imma keep repeating this. The formless mother is godwyns real mother and the rune marika pulled out was a lock of godwyns golden hair. Even before the erdtree godwyn was connected to death. Im calling it 😎
Yet another great video.
But for your next one, will you touch on how Vyke can have 2 great runes? (And the other tarnished) Like who did he kill to get them and where did they go?
The game treats it like it’s not a big deal someone else have been collecting great Runes.
I’ve always thought his relationship with lansseax was weird. Like he’s just a tarnished, and lansseax deffinitly don’t fuck with us (our tarnished). Godwyn could’ve had a great rune aswell, maybe vyke or someone else took it. And why are there 2 Vykes and why was he at the frenzied villige if he got touched in the capitol? I think I’m asking for a Vyke video instead with this comment… he just makes my head hurt when I think about him. AND he’s the poster boy he gotta be important.
I can just explain that here
There are two Roundtable Holds: the Fortified Manor and the Table of Lost Grace
When it comes to looking at the Tarnished, and those who were at the Roundtable Hold we have to deduce which Roundtable Hold
The requirement for needing two Great Runes is giving to us at the Table of Lost Grace, which exists in some ethereal form. Having two Great Runes gives us access to Leyndell
The Fortified Manor is already in Leyndell, thus if Vyke was a member of that Roundtable Hold he wouldn’t need any Great Runes.
The point is that the Great Rune criteria seems to only be relevant for those part of the Table of Lost Grace, and the mysteries there in
Why didn’t Vyke need Great Runes, but our Tarnished does?
Well, I think it’s all part of the plan 😉
@@JackisaMimic So is he a tarnished from the godfrey era, before the long march and the shattering? Maybe even the sunrealm?
Most likely a Tarnished who was present during the Shattering War
After the Elden Ring is Shattered is when the Tarnished begin returning to the Lands Between, so there is this period of many characters and people doing various things before our arrival to the world
So whatever Vyke, and many of the other Tarnished, did occurred after the Elden Ring is Shattered but before our arrival.
It makes it much easier to understand these characters when you place them in a defined place on the timeline like this, and based on the criteria for returning Tarnished, we can deduce that this is that period
I’ve heard this Numen/Hero rune thing a few times now but they are identical in color to me…
I am RG colorblind, so take that as you will. I SEE it but that could mean anything lol
@@JackisaMimic your color blindness must cause you to see through the matrix and directly into the lore 😂. Love your channel and videos by the way!
If we get in a spaceship to fight a space dragon at the end of the dlc I will be so happy
Not the type of game world for it, too sci-fi
Chances are the space dragon would be the ship
I think Elden Beast is called "Nebula Dragon" in the game files so this might be close to true already!
Nice video again, thank you
Cool theory that Marika betrayed the Numens, also makes more sense now why they would help Ranni and possibly Mikela by killing Godwyn and creating Deathroot, basically starting the end of her reign
I still don’t get why she would destroy the Elden Ring though
Marika shatters; Radagon Repairs. Separately this looks like they are in opposition with each other, but remember, Radagon is Marika.
The act of destroying and repairing is known as Reforging. Marika remade the world.
The red coloured rune is probably destined death.
what is all the yellow stuff that comes out of morgot? he just piss on us lol
21:25 and here I thought the chests were just there for design 💀
14:16 o Mogh e o Morgott, nasceram como agouros, porque a Marika, foi amaldiçoada pelos enviados do Chifre.
STOP TELLING ME BE WEARY OF BABY BOY MIQUELLA YOU DONT KNOW😭😂😭😂
So the Haligtree failed, because it wasn't made out of thousands of corpses stacked on top of eachother.
Guess just one demigods blood isn't nearly enough.
What if: Miquella was supposed to be the next God/Order after Godwyn died BUT Marika didn't want to pass down the throne. Radagon sided with Miquella and broke the elden ring. What yall think?
Let's watch!
if red was removed from gold, what is gold and unalloyed gold?
Perhaps unalloyed gold is the creation of Gold and Grace without the need of excluding or removing the red. It was created as pure gold, and not created from the subtraction of something else
Does that make sense?
@@JackisaMimic Took me a minute but I think so? Of course, like the Haligtree. Miquella abandoned fundamentalism, divested himself of fate and all things golden.
So many rabbit holes. Maybe unrelated but I'm also reminded of the colorless eclipse. And colors themselves seemingly having attributes, like red with vigor, blue with a calm or intelligence.
I don't feel like I'm playing Elden Ring anymore, I'm learning it ahah.
Mequilla had a kid with Mogh it’s that newly revealed character 🤢🥴😭
Hell
Gets the noggin joggin
I think the mechanics of souls is the most complicated in this from soft game as elden ring touches on metaphysical relm.
Jack is a Chad
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who the hell cares about this lore shit?
me 🥰
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Literally thousands of people.
A fuckton of people.
The question you should be asking is "Why are you commenting on a lore channel if you don't?"
Got nothing better to do?
Any Fromsoftware game is 100% better when you are trying to understand the lore. Trying to solve the misteries and history of the games lore with the community is truly special.
Malenia "My brother will keep his promise"....