This is definitely a more more "real" example of a home project. Don't get me wrong: I love TOH! But some of the projects are done with a budget and scale much larger than the average home owner might encounter. I myself did this exact project a couple of years ago without much experience and it would have been great to have seen a video like this back then! What a great video!
These videos are so people can do it themselves!!!!! Only the material is the cost to homeowner. This Old House isn't here to teach you how to supervisor your workers but encourage you to tackle this projects yourself.
Fantastic video. Here's a tip for some of you young folks. If someone asks you to install a dishwasher for them, be sure to ask if they are replacing an existing one first. Yes, I made that mistake years ago.
They did a nice job considering what they had to work with. I'm just concerned about the joint between the formica and the butcher block. Seems like a place for dirt/food to get stuck.
I would have put the butcher block over the drawer cabinet and allowing the countertop to stay over the dishwasher. Overall they did a great job and the homeowner learned how to do handiwork around the house.
Just curious if the steam coming off the dishwasher was considering when adding the butcher block above it? Do you think it will discolor the wood or at worst de-laminate it?
That's a nice job right there! I do have a question though. With the drain, where it's placed, wouldn't the water pressure, when draining, back flow UP into the sink?? What would stop it if there's no one-way stopper or something there?
In general, a nice job. I would've put some plywood or other material on the sides of the cabinets closest to the dishwasher, especially on the sink side to keep items in that cabinet away from the insulation on the dishwasher and stop small items contained. Also, I'm not sure how deep the cabinetry is, but maybe a right-angle plug would be a better choice.
I need a little help/information about doing something very similar. My stove was directly beside my sink on the left hand side. I moved it to a better location and now I want to install a dishwasher where the stove used to be. The only problem is there is no cabinet or countertop there. It's just an open space. How do I extend the laminate countertop for this project?
Help me out here guys, NEC-2020 says all receptacles (outlets?) within 6 feet of the sink require GFCI protection but that outlet under the sink is not a GFCI outlet. Is the outlet above the dishwasher GFCI protected and is it on the same circuit which if effect makes that lower outlet code compliant?
A GFCI on a dishwasher outlet would be impractical. What happens when it trips? You’d have to uninstall the washer. My area doesn’t allow you do install the outlet behind the washer. Mine is below the sink. But you could also put it in the electrical panel.
All outlets within 6 feet of the sink must be GFCI protected but they don't need to be GFCI themselves. You can wire a GFCI outlet to protect all branch circuitry beyond it, so in this case I would assume the outlet under the sink is wired up to the one above the sink and thus granted its GFCI protection. You can also bypass a GFCI outlet using pigtail wires so it's always worth a check using a cheap tester, but the outlet in the video is likely code compliant. Usually you'll see only one GFCI outlet in a kitchen or bathroom but all outlets in said kitchen or bathroom are protected by that GFCI because they were wired through it to the breaker. The breaker itself may also be GFCI which would protect the entire circuit against ground faults. Combination GFCI/AFCI breakers are becoming very common thankfully.
Much of that depends on the power situation as you'd need an electrician to come out separately. An old house with a non-updated kitchen that has few electrical outlets to begin with would cost considerably more.
who normally does this sort of thing? like if i wanted to hire someone in my small city to convert a cabinet and drawer space into a space for a dishwasher, or even move the drawers over and extend the countertop, what kind of company should i be searching for? and how much should i generally expect it to cost (for just the cabinet remodel, not including the dishwasher itself)?
Might just want to find a handyman on something like angies list with good reviews and reach out and ask if he can do a project like this. I doubt there are many companies that would take on a job this small but a handyman might.
Good project - just surprised they didn't put some panels on the inside sections. And honestly not for time here, but given all that effort would have been perfect time to put disposal in.
Richard, Thanks for saving her some drawers and the use of another butcher block to match the other! More importantly was get her a dishwasher she will appreciate.
Really nice work.. extending the counter space brings eye appeal and value to the kitchen.. she may want to think about using that same wood across the remaining counter space and painting the cabinets a white color.. that would give a newer look
Another installation with no trap. I guess he can't legally add an S-trap but it would be better than no trap. Nate is doing cleaner work each time - nice.
Pretty easy but couple things I would do differently: 1. Install the dang garbage disposal. Powers already there and the cost of a disposal isn’t that much more considering you’re already repiping the sink’s drain. (They make push button switches so you don’t even need to wire to a wall switch). 2. Install a drip pan under the sink. $20 well spent. 3. I’m not sure how easy it is to remove the machine for maintenance and repairs. They glued the wood block into the kitchen.
What happens if/when the dishes needs servicing? The way they did the new countertop, the whole section has to come out with the dishwasher. Also, I would have put side panels on each cabinet (especially the sink base) to help keep out mice, roaches, moisture, etc. All in all, a great job working with what was available; I just wanted to mention those things as considerations.
I agree, I would have braced the block underneath to the cabinets on either side then sealed the gap on the countertop, then slid the washer underneath. The dishwasher shouldn't be holding up the countertop.
They attached the butcherblock to the cabinets not the dishwasher. Then fastened the dishwasher brackets to the butcherblock. Dishwashers are actually super front heavy if you open the door the whole thing topples over.
I like the idea but I hate they are ruining the character of the house by putting in a dishwasher. Thats such a classic kitchen! I wouldnt change anything!
5:07 - That's how Push Fittings should be used - in a space where it can be easily seen and replaced once the O-Ring wears out in 15-25 years. Although at 6:09 I hoped he showed her how to deburr the exterior of the copper pipe first.
Why would you NOT want to plumb in the waste line after the pee trap? I only ask because im thinking any type of floating food debris that didnt get immediately pushed to the other side of the pee trap would sit and rot and smell until sufficient water was turned on by the faucet to clear the pipe
@@RussellWaldrop That makes sense, i was trying to prevent possible dishwasher off gasses from going up the sink drain and into the kitchen. i watched a few videos and everyone did it before the pee trap, but no one explained why. Thanks!!!!!
100%, the joints will steam on the endgrain and want to separate. Like every cutting block SOMEBODY decided to leave in the sink. A product like waterlox would help seal it but that kind of defeats the point of a butcher block counter. Beeswax would just melt off.
Another idea would be to install a small skirt on the front to keep the steam from penetrating. I would say stainless but it would kill the aesthetic of that counter.
Richard can't believe, while you were cutting out the PVC drain you didn't add a P- trap and a AAV was there a reason just wondering because code where I live if you mess with the drain at all you have to bring it up to code.
I really wish youcall coukd help this single disabled father of 3 fix up our home. Its in need of a lot of repair and updates. It difficult when you get injured and are unable to work and have to care for 3 plus yourself. I guess you all only help people with really nice homes.
Well, assuming that local code allows the outlet to be behind the washer (my locale does not) you couldn’t get to the GFCI. You’d have to put a GFCI breaker on the service panel.
@@TrumpAmerica-2024 everyone loves to update their appliances to match everything else. I did. I got a new stove but my refrigerator was at least 15 years old from my wife side when I moved into my house. The new appliances are more efficient than older ones anyway and can handle more loads of cooking and food storage. The French door fridge with a freezer on the bottom is the best to get the most out of food storage
And it looked terrible with the thousand year-old laminate. Perfect opportunity to just replace all the counters. If granite or manufactured stone wasn't in the budget, new laminate wouldn't have been all that more expensive with as little counter space as they had.
This is definitely a more more "real" example of a home project. Don't get me wrong: I love TOH! But some of the projects are done with a budget and scale much larger than the average home owner might encounter. I myself did this exact project a couple of years ago without much experience and it would have been great to have seen a video like this back then! What a great video!
These videos are so people can do it themselves!!!!! Only the material is the cost to homeowner. This Old House isn't here to teach you how to supervisor your workers but encourage you to tackle this projects yourself.
Definitely!
Fantastic video. Here's a tip for some of you young folks. If someone asks you to install a dishwasher for them, be sure to ask if they are replacing an existing one first. Yes, I made that mistake years ago.
This is one of the best very realistic additions.
That dude is a wizard with the belt sander
Now this is an example of that a TOH short should be!! Good job y'all!
Everytime I have a diy project for myself. The guys from TOH are always there to help out! Thanks so much for your quality content!
Thank you for including the time, cost, and skill level in the description
I do like it when TOH doesn't do a whole kitchen remodel. Something small that is a great improvment.
Their budget didn't allow it.
ok working with what you have in the most budget friendly way. i like it
Nice to see the team working with the existing design so well.
@@brianglade848 xcuz me?
I picked up a danby countertop unit. For an old farmhouse, man that's been a game changer.
I wish they went into the adhesive and other aspects of this build! They make it look much easier than it is!
The adhesive on Kevin’s toupee wasn’t working too well in this. Looks like he had a bit of slip-forward.
They did a nice job considering what they had to work with. I'm just concerned about the joint between the formica and the butcher block. Seems like a place for dirt/food to get stuck.
he should have at least edge banded those two sides with some laminate.
@@chrisburns5691 i thought they'd make it butcher block all the way to end of the cabinet.
Some clear caulk would have been a simple budget solution.
She could use some clear silicone calking. Might have to replace it ever few years.
Largely demonstrated that the butcher block was completely unnecessary.
A very classy well done older kitchen-brings back the memories very high quality upgrade
Where there's a will, there's a way. Nice job!!
I wish they had shown more in depth detail on how they managed to take the cabinet out so clean without causing damage to reuse it.
It's so hard finding a good plumber who also brings butcher block. Thanks TOH
That really puts a wrench in the works pal thanks
I would have put the butcher block over the drawer cabinet and allowing the countertop to stay over the dishwasher. Overall they did a great job and the homeowner learned how to do handiwork around the house.
@@brianglade848 you forgot to build the pergola
@@holden_tld Do you know how a heat pump works? Lets tell you how it works...
It's nice to see a young mechanically inclined carpenter!!!
I think that plumbing saw came over on the Mayflower 😳
I love the butcherblock idea. I think I'm going to use that in my remodel/kitchen upgrade.
How was the butcher block adhered to the left and right of the repurposed and existing counter tops? I only say the back splash runner.
I needed this last year! I couldn't find a video of from an old house!
Just curious if the steam coming off the dishwasher was considering when adding the butcher block above it? Do you think it will discolor the wood or at worst de-laminate it?
Richard does really good work.
This project turned out great.
When it comes to the plumbing, it's horrible
Richard is the best.
Will the steam from the dishwasher mess with the adhesive holding the laminated butcher block together?
Most definitely.
I used to have a portable dishwasher that had a butcher block top. No problem. But I suppose it depends upon how your dishwasher vents.
There should be a metal piece for separation installed above the dishwasher door to prevent this.
Are the dishes clean?
thanks for the vedio, Who can do the jobs of i may ask , i cant do it my self, can plumber do the job or an electrician
That's a nice job right there!
I do have a question though.
With the drain, where it's placed, wouldn't the water pressure, when draining, back flow UP into the sink?? What would stop it if there's no one-way stopper or something there?
In general, a nice job. I would've put some plywood or other material on the sides of the cabinets closest to the dishwasher, especially on the sink side to keep items in that cabinet away from the insulation on the dishwasher and stop small items contained. Also, I'm not sure how deep the cabinetry is, but maybe a right-angle plug would be a better choice.
The "carpenter" said those tabs on the top of the dishwasher are important for securing it to the top, but the top isn't secured either. LOL!
I would have taken of the end countertop and do the butcher block all the way to the end. But excellent video! Affirming and informative
I need a little help/information about doing something very similar.
My stove was directly beside my sink on the left hand side. I moved it to a better location and now I want to install a dishwasher where the stove used to be. The only problem is there is no cabinet or countertop there. It's just an open space. How do I extend the laminate countertop for this project?
You've been reading my Google searches, haven't you? 🙌🏽
the fbi has
Highly likely considering Google owns youtube
Help me out here guys, NEC-2020 says all receptacles (outlets?) within 6 feet of the sink require GFCI protection but that outlet under the sink is not a GFCI outlet. Is the outlet above the dishwasher GFCI protected and is it on the same circuit which if effect makes that lower outlet code compliant?
the outlet could be on a gfci breaker or they were just to cheap to buy a new outlet.
A GFCI on a dishwasher outlet would be impractical. What happens when it trips? You’d have to uninstall the washer. My area doesn’t allow you do install the outlet behind the washer. Mine is below the sink. But you could also put it in the electrical panel.
@@bcbock ya a breaker would be best or another outlet upstream from the one the dw is hooked into
All outlets within 6 feet of the sink must be GFCI protected but they don't need to be GFCI themselves. You can wire a GFCI outlet to protect all branch circuitry beyond it, so in this case I would assume the outlet under the sink is wired up to the one above the sink and thus granted its GFCI protection. You can also bypass a GFCI outlet using pigtail wires so it's always worth a check using a cheap tester, but the outlet in the video is likely code compliant. Usually you'll see only one GFCI outlet in a kitchen or bathroom but all outlets in said kitchen or bathroom are protected by that GFCI because they were wired through it to the breaker. The breaker itself may also be GFCI which would protect the entire circuit against ground faults. Combination GFCI/AFCI breakers are becoming very common thankfully.
Should that outlet be GFCI??
How much does it typically cost to do a first time install on an old house?
Every house is different. But if you take the cost of the dishwasher and add 500$ you should be in the right ball park if you don´tdo it yourself.
Much of that depends on the power situation as you'd need an electrician to come out separately. An old house with a non-updated kitchen that has few electrical outlets to begin with would cost considerably more.
Great video !!!!!! Thank you. This video help me with my dishwasher project.
I could feel the chemistry
You get a lot of that in TOH. It’s no surprise that so many “specialist” films take place in the kitchen 😀😃😃
who normally does this sort of thing? like if i wanted to hire someone in my small city to convert a cabinet and drawer space into a space for a dishwasher, or even move the drawers over and extend the countertop, what kind of company should i be searching for? and how much should i generally expect it to cost (for just the cabinet remodel, not including the dishwasher itself)?
Might just want to find a handyman on something like angies list with good reviews and reach out and ask if he can do a project like this. I doubt there are many companies that would take on a job this small but a handyman might.
I'm about to retrofit a dishwasher too. You don't have to build a dedicated "carcass" to put it in. Just slip it in between the existing cabinets?
Good project - just surprised they didn't put some panels on the inside sections. And honestly not for time here, but given all that effort would have been perfect time to put disposal in.
great, exactly the video I was looking for!!!
Good solution. Good work.
You guys are so talented !
Richard doesn't the building code require a trap on all sink drains? Very surprised to see no trap on the double kitchen sink.
Richard, Thanks for saving her some drawers and the use of another butcher block to match the other! More importantly was get her a dishwasher she will appreciate.
Really nice work.. extending the counter space brings eye appeal and value to the kitchen.. she may want to think about using that same wood across the remaining counter space and painting the cabinets a white color.. that would give a newer look
Why is it necessary to have the outlet for dishwasher under sink?
I like what Richard suggested, much better.
Green is ground, smooth wire is for hot(black), ridged is for the neutral wire (white); got it ;)
You tore the kitchen apart for a dishwasher?
What were they supposed to do to get it in?
No trap on the kitchen sink?
Homeowner would get it
This was an outstanding video, very helpful! Thank you guys!👍👍
@@brianglade848 LOL!😄 That's all for now, my friends. Thank you.👊
What happened to festool?
This is exactly what I want to do in my old home too. Great work.
Another installation with no trap. I guess he can't legally add an S-trap but it would be better than no trap. Nate is doing cleaner work each time - nice.
Meagan is a keeper!
that dishwasher is pretty cute
VERY GOOD TEAM!
Actually looks pretty good!!!
Wonder why no P-trap under sink?
Why build up under the dishwasher? They come with adjustment feet at the bottom. Unless the counter was just too high for the dishwasher to adjust to?
Thank you very much. You guys are amazing..
Why isn’t there a p trap under that sink?? Did my favorite master plumber get overcome by sewer gas?
It must have an enormous whole house U trap at the main Sewer pipe, but shocked he didn't mention it. Looked so off without the P trap.
In Massachusetts it’s common to put the trap under the floor for venting purposes.
Pretty easy but couple things I would do differently:
1. Install the dang garbage disposal. Powers already there and the cost of a disposal isn’t that much more considering you’re already repiping the sink’s drain. (They make push button switches so you don’t even need to wire to a wall switch).
2. Install a drip pan under the sink. $20 well spent.
3. I’m not sure how easy it is to remove the machine for maintenance and repairs. They glued the wood block into the kitchen.
What happens if/when the dishes needs servicing? The way they did the new countertop, the whole section has to come out with the dishwasher. Also, I would have put side panels on each cabinet (especially the sink base) to help keep out mice, roaches, moisture, etc. All in all, a great job working with what was available; I just wanted to mention those things as considerations.
I agree, I would have braced the block underneath to the cabinets on either side then sealed the gap on the countertop, then slid the washer underneath. The dishwasher shouldn't be holding up the countertop.
They attached the butcherblock to the cabinets not the dishwasher. Then fastened the dishwasher brackets to the butcherblock. Dishwashers are actually super front heavy if you open the door the whole thing topples over.
I like the idea but I hate they are ruining the character of the house by putting in a dishwasher. Thats such a classic kitchen! I wouldnt change anything!
No p-trap?
What happened to P-trap/S-trap?
Great job, but what about the bottom of the wall behind the dish-washer?
It's beautiful; except that now the end sticks out farther than the brick. That would drive me buggy. LOL
I was curious why they did not just stick the dishwasher on the end.
@@jaysonchilds4676 lol I wondered that, too. 😆
Our building codes require an air gap to be installed. Yours do not?
Isn't having a P trap on a kitchen sink code?
5:07 - That's how Push Fittings should be used - in a space where it can be easily seen and replaced once the O-Ring wears out in 15-25 years. Although at 6:09 I hoped he showed her how to deburr the exterior of the copper pipe first.
Why would you NOT want to plumb in the waste line after the pee trap? I only ask because im thinking any type of floating food debris that didnt get immediately pushed to the other side of the pee trap would sit and rot and smell until sufficient water was turned on by the faucet to clear the pipe
If you plumb after p-trap sewer gases can go through the line and out the dishwasher. p-trap's entire reason for existing is to block sewer gas.
@@RussellWaldrop That makes sense, i was trying to prevent possible dishwasher off gasses from going up the sink drain and into the kitchen. i watched a few videos and everyone did it before the pee trap, but no one explained why. Thanks!!!!!
Did this even have a p-trap?
The only issue I would see is if the dishwasher puts out steam it could potentially damage the butcher block
100%, the joints will steam on the endgrain and want to separate. Like every cutting block SOMEBODY decided to leave in the sink. A product like waterlox would help seal it but that kind of defeats the point of a butcher block counter. Beeswax would just melt off.
Another idea would be to install a small skirt on the front to keep the steam from penetrating. I would say stainless but it would kill the aesthetic of that counter.
that's a nice kitchen and Megan is cute!
how the heck does it push the drainage/grey water UP against gravity???
Water pump
Doesn't the outlet have to be GFCI?
Could be behind another gfci in the line
@@_RT___ If it was, There should be a label that say GFCI protected.
For any future people.
why is there no p-trap under the sink? O.o
no Gfci outlet... -_-
gaps all kinds around the butcher block...
yeah, not the best build i have seen!
Why not go for a 18 inch width dishwasher?
@@brianglade848 Yeah because those *6 inches* make all the difference in the world. 👌
This is a single family home which requires a 24 in dishwasher… if it was a small apartment..then a small18 in dishwasher would suffice.
The little desktop needs to be put back on. Got to have it for your keys and purse
Except for that gap from the old counter and the butchers block
Need a side panel on that dishwasher side to the sink.
richard did not notice there was no trap??
I noticed that to,maybe it has a running trap below the floor,Richard could not have missed that.
Or a vent?
i noticed the double negative.
Where's the trap for the sink drain???
Nice
Love this show. Always makes me want to fix something.
I do have one question. Where’s the p trap?
Wonder if the butcher block has stayed flat. Awesome little project nonetheless
Skipped the GFCI outlet in favor of the ever popular GFY outlet.
Richard can't believe, while you were cutting out the PVC drain you didn't add a P- trap and a AAV was there a reason just wondering because code where I live if you mess with the drain at all you have to bring it up to code.
The trap would be in the ceiling of the unfinished basement, seen it done this way on older homes and cottages.
@@ttomkins4867 that wouldn't pass code in my neck of the woods. We have to bring anything we cut out ,up to new codes.
No P-trap and also their using shark bites
@@3bomen a true plumber at his finest lol 😆😂
looked like the drain was sloping the wrong way too lol..
I really wish youcall coukd help this single disabled father of 3 fix up our home. Its in need of a lot of repair and updates. It difficult when you get injured and are unable to work and have to care for 3 plus yourself. I guess you all only help people with really nice homes.
So not going to address the fact there's no p-trap nor vent pipe on that plumbing? I mean maybe it's under the floor in the basement?
In Massachusetts they put it below the floor and back vent it.
where's the P trap?
Shouldn't that be a GFCI outlet?
Well, assuming that local code allows the outlet to be behind the washer (my locale does not) you couldn’t get to the GFCI. You’d have to put a GFCI breaker on the service panel.
@@bcbock didn't think of it that way. That makes more sense.
With that new dishwasher she is looking at her stove that needs to be updated lol
what's wrong with the stove?
@@TrumpAmerica-2024 everyone loves to update their appliances to match everything else. I did. I got a new stove but my refrigerator was at least 15 years old from my wife side when I moved into my house. The new appliances are more efficient than older ones anyway and can handle more loads of cooking and food storage. The French door fridge with a freezer on the bottom is the best to get the most out of food storage
Didn’t seem like the butcher block fit all that well.
And it looked terrible with the thousand year-old laminate. Perfect opportunity to just replace all the counters. If granite or manufactured stone wasn't in the budget, new laminate wouldn't have been all that more expensive with as little counter space as they had.
@@timothymbess Actually, I think it’s meant for do-it-yourselfers.
Where's the trap?
I noticed there was no trap under the sink. I can't believe you guys even left it like that. Did I miss something?
I was thinking the same thing. In theory, the trap might be in the basement.
@@jeremyblevins838 maybe, but where I live no inspector would let that go.