Still working on subtitles. Also I messed up Kris' pronouns *again*?? I'm starting to think conjunctions and possessives just break my brain for some stupid reason. Sorry fam. (I need sleep terribly). FAQ Time! Q: Why didn't you just do it on Hard Mode? A: Ah... good..... good question! Why didn't I? I think I must have assumed that since the cutscenes/monsters/dialogue are all different, that the animation might be different too? I don't know why I'd assume that though, seems kind of weird of me. Q: Wait are you sure you switched your armor out? Your defense seems too high. A: Oh! Holy [cungadero]! It turns out if you switch your armor out directly in code like that, it doesn't update the defensive stats! I can't believe I didn't catch that? This means that entire time I wasn't writing a guide on how to lose to Toriel with no armor, I was writing a guide on how to die to her with *the best armor*. No wonder it was so hard! Thank you to Flor Ypondio for catching that! I never would have realized. Q: Aren't Kris and Susie just leaning forward, and thus they look smaller? A: This might be the intention. It seems weird to me though, since Kris doesn't animate that way with their normal running sprite at all. This sort of semi-overhead perspective is not helping with the confusion of this situation.
I don’t think those kris and susie sprites are supposed to be squashed. Instead, considering the context, i think they are simply bending their knees in anticipation to start sprinting. You don’t just stand normally before sprinting, you crouch down slightly (or at least, i do). So, i think that that’s simply what’s going on here.
The Toriel gasping sprite is something I also encountered on my first playthough but I didn't think that hard about it tbh I was just like "Oh! she didn't intend to kill us?"
I had a sudden epiphany the other day; what if Gaster is an egg-based monster? It's commonly assumed that Gaster is "the man" behind the tree who gives Kris the eggs in both chapters, the mysteryman sprite everyone has unanimously decided is Gaster has an egg-shaped head and appears cracked. What if Gaster falling into his creation is simply an elaborate Humpty Dumpty reference? Him being "shattered" across spacetime and all that. His position as royal scientist before Alphys makes him a literal "Egghead" and on top of that, he is an "Easter Egg" to be discovered through altering the game's Fun values.
eggskeleton hehe, but yeah although it is not confirmed due to his name being (W. D. (wingdings) gaster, two fonts the fact that he speaks and writes in wing dings like sans with well sans and paypyrus with .. you know, and the fact that sans's ZZZ is in gaster, it is assumed he is at least related to sans and with the skelebros and puns, he must be a skeleggton
@@sergioandresquirogavelarde6816 I mean, eggshells are also made of calciumstuff like bones, so maybe calcium-ey monsters have a chance to speak in a font instead of the standard Determination Mono / 8bitoperator JVE
What if the eggs that the man behind the tree gives you are just pieces of Gaster, and once you have them all they become him o.0 Egg man gaster confirmed (Someone else in this thread said that eggs and bones are both made of calcium and I hate that this actually makes sense lmao)
11:28 the reason none of the bullets did 4 damage may be because when you changed the armor to the bandage the defense of your armor didnt change, so you actually had a bandage with 3 defense. ive died to toriel on purpose before and i know she deals 4 damage normally without armor
Wha- holy [cungadero] you're right! If you equip armor via save-file editing it doesn't update the defensive value! I wonder if that works in Deltarune too?
@@HalfBreadChaos it was a very interesting video anyway. Wasn’t expecting a how to die to toriel video but really enjoyed it. As for why it wouldn’t update? Good question. I can see 2 possibilities. Either changing the armor the way you did throws an error without a visible text box and the error handling skips part of the code as a result, Or it never calls a function that it uses when using the in game menu. Though admittedly I’m an amateur at coding if anything. I do it for a job from time to time but I’ve only had a few classes on it.
@@hi-ougidemonfang it may just be that the game only changes the armor defense value when you equip a certain armor in game, so yeah, the second possibility is correct about hard mode im not sure. it can very well be true but i dont play hard mode often enough to notice (and i usually end up just no-hitting toriel lol)
In Chapter 2 when you walk away from The King, he will ask about Lancer and if he’s happy, Susie will then reply with “Like you care! You were about to throw him off a cliff” or something along those lines. But before she says that, she does a squinting face for a couple of frames and then goes into a angry/yelling face. Like she remembered that he was gonna do that. That was the only freeze frame that i noticed.
I am surprised you had so much trouble killing yourself against Toriel. I never had a problem with killing myself intentionally. When I learned about the freeze cam from undertale wiki I just tried it myself
On my first genocide playthrough, I managed to die to her completely by accident. I'm just good like that. Note that this was on the genocide run, and was on LV~3, which means a lot more health. And I still died.
@Spamton G Spamton I didn't know that the first playthrough, I wanted to spare her multiple times first to guarantee a 1-shot. I don't like putting innocent monsters under unnecessary pain.
@@T_Dude Sort of, because I swapped to the bandage using code-edits I thought my defense would be 0 (since bandage gives no defense). But it turns out the Ribbon's defense was still in affect even though it was no longer equipped. Oops!
At the start of chapter 2, at the beginning of the dialogue with king after you already interacted with him and are trying to leave, susie's dialogue portrait will quickly change similar to the example you used with alphys. I don't think it's anything big or ground breaking, just kinda thought it was neat.
I...actually remember dying to Toriel and seeing that shocked face. Like I knew exactly what you were talking about before it happened. But I don't remember it being THIS hard to die. Maybe there was an update after I played that made it harder? I'm really not sure. I just remember 100% dying to her and seeing that shocked face and feeling just as shocked as she looked. It was then that I knew for an absolute fact she didn't truly want to hurt me; which in turned showed me that I didn't need to hurt her either. Also I didn't know Alphys turns off the lasers for you if you get hurt too much. While yeah she put you in that situation, her clear fear of actually hurting you made my heart ache for a sec there. Dammit Undertale is still making me feel things ;_;
About Alphys and the laser sequence, I’ve encountered at least 3 different dialogues depending on how well you avoid them or screw up. Toby’s dedication to making these games repayable is unparalleled.
I did manage to die to Toriel on my first playthrough, and I did notice her reaction. Then I accidentally killed her not understanding how to spare her (that last hit doing more damage than the rest is SO MEAN). I reset and did it right only to have Flowey call me out for it. That freaked me out but good. Genius Toby.
I died to Toriel once. I was just wondering if I could beat her(In Pacifist run) by not moving and then I died. I was so confused, because it all just happened so fast, but I did see the 4 frame sprite. After that, I haven't died anymore.
i like how almost every single deltarune theory channel has atleast 2 videos that sound completely insane yet seem plausible when u look at all the evidence (jarujaru and his asriel theory) at this rate the broken/insane secret boss of chapter 7 will be us lmao
@@ultravioletcatastrophe what do you mean ? they are both good . And don't be so upset about that theory . It's just a theory as you know . But there's nothing wrong about it possibly being true 🙄. Like you need to expect the worst that's toby what we talking about
@@ajdndbdjbdj Toby wouldn't actively make his own story shit. Not sure what Toby you are talking about and yeah yeah I know "don't attack theories you don't agree with" but there's not so much a theory as there is an awful headcannon to be found in there
@@ultravioletcatastrophe i mean that it's just a theory there's alot ALOT so you're gonna get mad on every single one of it just relax and let us see what's gonna happened in the end
I noticed that every time Toriel was hit, there was a split second frame where her expression changed. 13:00 Her cold determined stare breaks for a moment, in exchange for a more tired and dead-eyed look. I doubt this is anything groundbreaking or important, but it's interesting to see the sheer amount of detail in the game with your own eyes :') (I also thought the glitched text was neat, but that's not really relevant either) edit: I went back and looked at the full speed clips, and while it's hard to see with the damage shaking animation, it's definitely noticable. I guess it's one of those things that are hard to unsee after you see it ^^
Hey, I don't know where exactly I've seen it, but I believe Toby tried to patch out dying to Toriel after some time Undertale was released. That's why so many early playthroughs documented dying to her, but it's much harder to replicate now, as you may have noticed.
I don't think the running sprites are shrunken down. I think Kris and Susie are just hunched forward, making it look like they're shorter from our perspective.
You are so kind and so correct! I greatly appreciate both your technical abilities in being able to analyze all of these complex details AND the way that you emphasize camaraderie and patience. It's too easy to find folks who are technically knowledgeable on a topic, but so bitter and condescending that it's impossible to watch them. Heaven forbid they ever get something wrong, because they treat mistakes like crimes and double down to cover them up. Your honesty is so refreshing! Thank you for all of the hard work that you put into these videos.
wrong both toby and temmie does the sprites, with temmie sometimes improving sprites toby does, for example the square bed that appear in alphys lab was a sprite made by toby
When I played for the first time, I died to Toriel and like the fool I am, I immediately looked up tips for the fight. When I saw that “Toriel will refuse to kill you” I was so confused because, no? She definitely did just kill me. So I tried the fight again and lo and behold, she purposefully missed this time. I was so confused for quite a while.
That's cause I believe there is a Damage threshold she reaches where she will stop hitting you, But its possible to die the turn before this takes effect
She hard-stops her actual attacks at 3hp. Fighting her with no armor (aka the bandage) causes her to deal 4 damage to you, so if you keep taking damage from 12 or so hp constantly when your hp is at a multiple of 4… Also if you die to her once, she subconsciously remembers it and holds back when you’re at 4 HP the next time. Not sure if this is the case for the murder route.
this is my favourite game theory channel. i love how you always provide solid information and specify when you are going of the rail, it makes it so much easier to not have inacurate headcanons
Offhand but your channel is really great and i really appreciate how your videos are so in depth and acknowledge different possibilities, which is a breath of fresh air in the Deltarune fandom! Even with the TTS your commentary is always entertaining to listen to too, keep up the good work!
I find it amazing that the video started with talking about sprite Easter eggs, and then transitioned into a 3-step guide on how to die to Toriel. Marvelous.
Those 4 frames of Toriel looking at you in heartbroken panic are why I focused on lore in the game, even aaaaallll the way back in 2015 when UNDERTALE released.
i've watched almost all of your videos and godDAMN i love how obsessed with research you are. it makes me think of Max Derrat, another rather small youtuber, who goes as in depth as you into metal gear solid and other media. it's absolutely my kinda content and i hope you keep making this stuff for a long time
i managed to get this first try, unintentionally. my brain thought "oh hey, if halfbreadchaos took so long to get it, then its fine." and proceeded to die
The day is always better when HalfBreadChaos posts! Never stop the greatness! But at the same time, make sure to keep yourself happy, and take breaks when stressed. These videos help me, and many others as well, so please remember to help yourself. ❤️
hey halfbread, i had an idea the other day, and after watching your video i decided to do a little theory crafting of my own. thanks for being an inspiration to me.
I think in the original Undertale demo, Toriel's shocked sprite displays several frames longer. Could be due to the fact that she's essentially the final boss of the demo.
I think they are shrinking, because the dark world is canonically smaller than the light world. We see the light world version of the great board in chapter 1 on the floor, and it’s extremely small. But when we cross it in chapter one, it takes us a bit to cross it. I think that Lightners do physically shrink when they cross into the Dark World
From let’s plays of the Undertale demo, it seems early demo versions allow you to die to Toriel much easier. It was apparently patched at some point, which combined with the issue of armor stats and luck can make this difficult.
There could be multiple reasons for Toby doing this with the sprites, coming from an animator. It’s possible it could have been a run cycle, although most likely just kept it in to save time on animation rather than hiding a cut scene. It could also have Ben time constraints, there’s a lot of really good pixel animation in the game, sometimes cutting corners on not as important shorts happen, especially in sprite animation which sometimes subtle things like that don’t get noticed by the masses, kinda like how none of us noticed till now they shrink. Not a critique, this video was great and I love your content, just my perspective on it
As an animator, 8 frames is about the shortest you can hold on something to be noticed by most people, though they probably won't consciously notice it unless you hold for longer. Anything less and you will still see it, but it will be more like a feeling or impression, which is why crazy old school wipes with duplicated body parts or super wide bodies are felt but you don't necessarily register how weird they look as if looking at the still image. I'd also say the running pose is just them in perspective. It looks like the heads, far feet, and far hand are larger while the bodies shrink as their bodies are going forwards. So they squash in anticipation, and then stretch forward into the pose. They'd have a more obvious stretch if we were viewing it sideways. Their bodies also stay the same size when they fall, and as they turn sideways you can see more obviously their bodies and legs are hunched, especially on Kris.
What if something hid something like messages or hints to the story in single frames flashing randomly? Like just enough to get an impression of what happened but not conciously "see" it
can I say love your content all of it I saw every video and having such unique perspective on theories, I like seeing all theories and seeing how they could support or debunk each other, yours I love because they seem very plausible in my comparisons and it scares me
BIG THEORY: OKAY so you know how Deltarune starts with a character creation, but then the narrator says "No one gets to choose who they are in this world." Alright so here's the thing, Undertale's Genocide ending is basically the inverse of Deltarune's beginning. Chara says "Let us erase this pointless world, and move on to the next." Which prompts the player choices "ERASE" or "DO NOT." But even if you choose DO NOT, Chara says "You must have misunderstood. SINCE WHEN WERE YOU THE ONE IN CONTROL?" If they are moving on to the next world, a world where no one gets to choose who they are, and Deltarune is almost like an alternate universe, then is Kris actually Frisk from Undertale after a genocide ending? This would even explain the nightmares and sleep trouble Kris has, recalling all the people they've hurt. What do you think about this theory peoples?
The only thing that sort of debunks this theory is that toby said UT and DT aren't connected in any way, as if they exist independently... and I think it was in response to this particular theory.... so... sorry to burst your bubble, yeah...
@@cuozannt still, even if not directly related, there could still be a sort of parallel to this idea, we've already seen examples of ideas in undertale being utilized in an all new way.
“Failure can be an opportunity for discovery” I’m writing that in my positivity quotes journal. I struggle with “failing” a lot so that was really helpful to hear and I’m sure will help future me as well
Weird, I could've sworn it was still possible to get hit by Toriel's flames when she's trying to make them avoid you, by hugging the top corners. Did I imagine that?
Hm, I just tried that but no matter what strat I use (pick a corner and stay there, run rapidly between the two corners, etc) I can't seem to get hit that way. So either it was patched out, or it's *super* rare.
Man, I love the amount of work you put into these videos! The editing, the script, everything! Even the intro has so much stuff going on and it's great :D
HalfBread, I know it isn't likely that you'll see this comment, but I've been bingeing through your videos and I just wanted to say that this is incredible. I know you don't need to hear it from me, but you're clearly very strong and what you're doing is amazing. I think that it's incredible that you make these videos despite the struggles.
When you said "she reads it at the start of each turn" i imagined toriel with a book going like "mhm so i just lower my attack and try not to hit the child"
i watched jacks undertale playthrough and i saw the shocked toriel sprite when he died. it was so easy. it's nice to know that other people have that power. i never noticed the kris sprite change though, nice eyes
Oi! I have a tip. If you wait too long in the fight with low health, Toriel will Asgore you with a very hard to dodge hand attack. I used to die that way a few times when I first did it. I don't know if it's real anymore, though. To clarify, I played on the Switch version.
As a game dev and animator I want to comment on the "small Kris sprite" thing - having weird looking frames that are too fast to see is really common in animation. Sometimes subtle things like that just make an animation feel better!
Maybe Toriel does more damage on a pacifist run. I did a run where I kept the bandage on during a pacifist run and remember her doing 5 damage (although I may be misremembering).
amazingly, ive managed to die to toriel almost everytime ive played. sometimes more than once. something about that one fire attack leads me into getting 3 combo'd at the last possible second
I had watched the video only till this point 7:48. i know why (Tu)toriel doesn't make that face sometimes. when you're on genocide route in undertale, then toriel give a f**k about your death. only on pacifist there she will make that face.
Toriel actually killed me on one of my first playthrough when I couldn't spare her, so I just concluded I had to kill her, and that's the only kill i had in my first playthrough
It’s interesting how surprisingly complicated the code is for how much damage Toriel deals per hit, given that damage for most other bosses excluding Sans’ KR is usually straightforward and consistent.
It's been so many years since I played Undertale and followed content online, and it's amazing how I'm still finding out things I didn't know about. Like this Toriel sprite. Oh damn
I will confess I was pretty worried about that, but it seems like flashing lights are more likely to trigger seizures based on size of the flashing image, and frequency of the flashing. San's eye is pretty small but just in case I also slowed down the speed at which it flashes. (Similar to the fixed used in the Porygon episode). That said I'm still learning, it may be wise to slow it down even more, or use a different sprite altogether.
HalfBreadChaos: is trying so hard to die to Toriel and find the freeze frame Me who died to her the multiple times on my first playthrough: *sips golden flower tea*
@@rz2374 I know, but I somehow hit one hp during his final attack and it didn't end. Then I got hit again and took 0 damage. It was probaly a glitch that the fight ended late.
@@Swagpion Oh ok. That's definitely a glitch, but it's interesting that you still didn't die after when papyrus carried on. Papyrus really doesn't want you to die, even if the game glitches out!
You're quickly becoming one of my favorite channels right now, and I really love the txt to speech voice narration! I hope you'll keep at this bc it's really good content
I never used to like text to speech commentary videos, because of the soulless delivery. But you, somehow, have put so much personality into the text to speech, making me laugh often. To me, your text to speech is your signature, and makes you stand out from the crowd. Please keep making videos!
Still working on subtitles. Also I messed up Kris' pronouns *again*?? I'm starting to think conjunctions and possessives just break my brain for some stupid reason. Sorry fam. (I need sleep terribly).
FAQ Time!
Q: Why didn't you just do it on Hard Mode?
A: Ah... good..... good question! Why didn't I? I think I must have assumed that since the cutscenes/monsters/dialogue are all different, that the animation might be different too? I don't know why I'd assume that though, seems kind of weird of me.
Q: Wait are you sure you switched your armor out? Your defense seems too high.
A: Oh! Holy [cungadero]! It turns out if you switch your armor out directly in code like that, it doesn't update the defensive stats! I can't believe I didn't catch that?
This means that entire time I wasn't writing a guide on how to lose to Toriel with no armor, I was writing a guide on how to die to her with *the best armor*. No wonder it was so hard!
Thank you to Flor Ypondio for catching that! I never would have realized.
Q: Aren't Kris and Susie just leaning forward, and thus they look smaller?
A: This might be the intention. It seems weird to me though, since Kris doesn't animate that way with their normal running sprite at all. This sort of semi-overhead perspective is not helping with the confusion of this situation.
we all mess up pronouns sometimes, don't worry king
get some rest pal ! i greatly appreciate that you corrected it in the subtitles the way you did !!!! :>
As an enby i forget my own pronouns sometimes, ur good king
Get sleep and care, we can wait.
Happens. Go get your rest.
Kris and Susie "shrinking" is probably because they're leaning forward in a full run.
This is a little more obvious looking at Susie's sprite for it.
Assuming a birds eye camera angle, leaning forwards would have the opposite effect, right?
Yea doing perspective on a pixel art its not fun at all ir always looks a bit silly unless you are using a lot of pixels
@@maqma_2118 sure but the sprites themselves aren't really in a birds eye view, just the background kinda
@@maqma_2118 what potato bread said, the sprites are nearly from the side, not the top
Sadly they weren't making Naruto run
I don’t think those kris and susie sprites are supposed to be squashed. Instead, considering the context, i think they are simply bending their knees in anticipation to start sprinting. You don’t just stand normally before sprinting, you crouch down slightly (or at least, i do). So, i think that that’s simply what’s going on here.
Apologize for killing my dog
@@latetwenies what does this mean
@@Crygear apologize for killing my cat and his dog
minecraft characters: *running without bending their knees, arms, or anything needed to bend while running*
@@funnijesterguy Don't forget they do it while all their limbs are swollen
The Toriel gasping sprite is something I also encountered on my first playthough but I didn't think that hard about it tbh
I was just like "Oh! she didn't intend to kill us?"
Yeah because your FIRST playthrough
Also hard mode
I knew this secret for some time.
wait- so it wasn't something obvious ??
i saw the sprite on one of my first runs
don't you just have to die normally? why did they have to go to all that code stuff just to die regularly?
I had a sudden epiphany the other day; what if Gaster is an egg-based monster? It's commonly assumed that Gaster is "the man" behind the tree who gives Kris the eggs in both chapters, the mysteryman sprite everyone has unanimously decided is Gaster has an egg-shaped head and appears cracked. What if Gaster falling into his creation is simply an elaborate Humpty Dumpty reference? Him being "shattered" across spacetime and all that.
His position as royal scientist before Alphys makes him a literal "Egghead" and on top of that, he is an "Easter Egg" to be discovered through altering the game's Fun values.
eggskeleton hehe, but yeah although it is not confirmed due to his name being (W. D. (wingdings) gaster, two fonts the fact that he speaks and writes in wing dings like sans with well sans and paypyrus with .. you know, and the fact that sans's ZZZ is in gaster, it is assumed he is at least related to sans and with the skelebros and puns, he must be a skeleggton
@@sergioandresquirogavelarde6816 I mean, eggshells are also made of calciumstuff like bones, so maybe calcium-ey monsters have a chance to speak in a font instead of the standard Determination Mono / 8bitoperator JVE
If Gaster turns out to be humpty dumpty but with a cracked head I'm going to jump off the core's rails.
What if the eggs that the man behind the tree gives you are just pieces of Gaster, and once you have them all they become him o.0
Egg man gaster confirmed
(Someone else in this thread said that eggs and bones are both made of calcium and I hate that this actually makes sense lmao)
Oh fuck off, I hate how that's absolutely something Toby would do.
11:28
the reason none of the bullets did 4 damage may be because when you changed the armor to the bandage the defense of your armor didnt change, so you actually had a bandage with 3 defense.
ive died to toriel on purpose before and i know she deals 4 damage normally without armor
Wha- holy [cungadero] you're right! If you equip armor via save-file editing it doesn't update the defensive value! I wonder if that works in Deltarune too?
@@HalfBreadChaos it was a very interesting video anyway. Wasn’t expecting a how to die to toriel video but really enjoyed it. As for why it wouldn’t update? Good question. I can see 2 possibilities. Either changing the armor the way you did throws an error without a visible text box and the error handling skips part of the code as a result, Or it never calls a function that it uses when using the in game menu. Though admittedly I’m an amateur at coding if anything. I do it for a job from time to time but I’ve only had a few classes on it.
And on Hard mode, I think Toriel can deal 5 damage per hit?
I think the first time I died to Toriel was by accident in Hard mode.
@@hi-ougidemonfang it may just be that the game only changes the armor defense value when you equip a certain armor in game, so yeah, the second possibility is correct
about hard mode im not sure. it can very well be true but i dont play hard mode often enough to notice (and i usually end up just no-hitting toriel lol)
I mange to die like 7 times in a row when I was trying to get to 1 hp by running into bullets
In Chapter 2 when you walk away from The King, he will ask about Lancer and if he’s happy, Susie will then reply with “Like you care! You were about to throw him off a cliff” or something along those lines. But before she says that, she does a squinting face for a couple of frames and then goes into a angry/yelling face. Like she remembered that he was gonna do that.
That was the only freeze frame that i noticed.
I am surprised you had so much trouble killing yourself against Toriel. I never had a problem with killing myself intentionally. When I learned about the freeze cam from undertale wiki I just tried it myself
A different comment explained what happened. Because he swapped to the bandage, he entered with 3DEF. That was enough to cause an issue.
On my first genocide playthrough, I managed to die to her completely by accident. I'm just good like that. Note that this was on the genocide run, and was on LV~3, which means a lot more health. And I still died.
@Spamton G Spamton I didn't know that the first playthrough, I wanted to spare her multiple times first to guarantee a 1-shot. I don't like putting innocent monsters under unnecessary pain.
@@T_Dude Sort of, because I swapped to the bandage using code-edits I thought my defense would be 0 (since bandage gives no defense). But it turns out the Ribbon's defense was still in affect even though it was no longer equipped. Oops!
I went into hard mode
At the start of chapter 2, at the beginning of the dialogue with king after you already interacted with him and are trying to leave, susie's dialogue portrait will quickly change similar to the example you used with alphys.
I don't think it's anything big or ground breaking, just kinda thought it was neat.
Woah! Good catch! Looks like it's about 4 frames long.
I did not know that the kris running upwards ever existed in chapter 2, keen eye for the one who spotted that!
I...actually remember dying to Toriel and seeing that shocked face. Like I knew exactly what you were talking about before it happened. But I don't remember it being THIS hard to die. Maybe there was an update after I played that made it harder? I'm really not sure. I just remember 100% dying to her and seeing that shocked face and feeling just as shocked as she looked. It was then that I knew for an absolute fact she didn't truly want to hurt me; which in turned showed me that I didn't need to hurt her either.
Also I didn't know Alphys turns off the lasers for you if you get hurt too much. While yeah she put you in that situation, her clear fear of actually hurting you made my heart ache for a sec there. Dammit Undertale is still making me feel things ;_;
I do hard mode
She turned it off for me but I didnt think anything of it
Yes, there was an update that made dying to her harder.
About Alphys and the laser sequence, I’ve encountered at least 3 different dialogues depending on how well you avoid them or screw up. Toby’s dedication to making these games repayable is unparalleled.
was cuz he was wearing armor
I did manage to die to Toriel on my first playthrough, and I did notice her reaction. Then I accidentally killed her not understanding how to spare her (that last hit doing more damage than the rest is SO MEAN). I reset and did it right only to have Flowey call me out for it. That freaked me out but good. Genius Toby.
I died to Toriel once. I was just wondering if I could beat her(In Pacifist run) by not moving and then I died. I was so confused, because it all just happened so fast, but I did see the 4 frame sprite. After that, I haven't died anymore.
Shocked toriel
i like how almost every single deltarune theory channel has atleast 2 videos that sound completely insane yet seem plausible when u look at all the evidence (jarujaru and his asriel theory) at this rate the broken/insane secret boss of chapter 7 will be us lmao
Looks like our neighbourhood is small 🙄
don't compare halfbreadchaos to jaru 😔 and there's nothing plausible about the asriel theory
@@ultravioletcatastrophe what do you mean ? they are both good . And don't be so upset about that theory . It's just a theory as you know . But there's nothing wrong about it possibly being true 🙄.
Like you need to expect the worst that's toby what we talking about
@@ajdndbdjbdj Toby wouldn't actively make his own story shit. Not sure what Toby you are talking about
and yeah yeah I know "don't attack theories you don't agree with" but there's not so much a theory as there is an awful headcannon to be found in there
@@ultravioletcatastrophe i mean that it's just a theory there's alot ALOT so you're gonna get mad on every single one of it just relax and let us see what's gonna happened in the end
I noticed that every time Toriel was hit, there was a split second frame where her expression changed. 13:00
Her cold determined stare breaks for a moment, in exchange for a more tired and dead-eyed look.
I doubt this is anything groundbreaking or important, but it's interesting to see the sheer amount of detail in the game with your own eyes :')
(I also thought the glitched text was neat, but that's not really relevant either)
edit: I went back and looked at the full speed clips, and while it's hard to see with the damage shaking animation, it's definitely noticable.
I guess it's one of those things that are hard to unsee after you see it ^^
Okay but like. I'm pretty sure Kris's body gets smaller because they're at an unusual angle relative to the camera. Same with Susie, actually.
Hey, I don't know where exactly I've seen it, but I believe Toby tried to patch out dying to Toriel after some time Undertale was released. That's why so many early playthroughs documented dying to her, but it's much harder to replicate now, as you may have noticed.
That is extremely false
10:33 her "OH SHIT I HIT TOO HARD" face is worth all the trouble.
Flowey watching HalfBread fight Tori: "Wtf are you doing????"
HalfBread: *"SCIENCE!!!!!!"*
I really respect your content and you are the best undertale / deltarune youtuber
Let's gooo new HalfBreadChaos video! I always love seeing your uploads
I don't think the running sprites are shrunken down. I think Kris and Susie are just hunched forward, making it look like they're shorter from our perspective.
You are so kind and so correct! I greatly appreciate both your technical abilities in being able to analyze all of these complex details AND the way that you emphasize camaraderie and patience. It's too easy to find folks who are technically knowledgeable on a topic, but so bitter and condescending that it's impossible to watch them. Heaven forbid they ever get something wrong, because they treat mistakes like crimes and double down to cover them up. Your honesty is so refreshing! Thank you for all of the hard work that you put into these videos.
I died to Toriel when trying to show my dad that you can’t die to Toriel.
💀
A small thing, but Toby doesn't make the sprites, Temmie does.
wrong both toby and temmie does the sprites, with temmie sometimes improving sprites toby does, for example the square bed that appear in alphys lab was a sprite made by toby
What the other person said
Temmie does the more complex sprites and/or fixes Toby's ones, but Toby also does art for the game.
Pretty sure he made Toriel
I read this as “Toby doesn’t make mistakes, Temmie does” lmao
The surprised Susie sprite is by Toby tho
10:59
You aren't sneaky, EVERYONE noticed that.
What am I supposed to catch? 😅
@@0rion_Horizon the red eyes on 10:58
I didn't until you pointed it out.
timestamp is wrong
Also, 9:00
Look next to the fight button
9:20
"how to be murdered by your goat mom in 3 simple steps"
WHY
Me after hearing Toriel stops her turn when you get hit by her hands:
Undertale IRL:
Frisk: *Catches these hands.*
The Fandom: DON'T TOUCH THE CHILD.
I am always happy to see a new HalfBreadChaos video :)
0:12 - DID YOU TELEPORT BREAD?
BREAD
Finally, I've been wondering how dying to Toriel works for so long now, great video.
Toriel be like:what do you call a burning frisk?
A krifs
When I played for the first time, I died to Toriel and like the fool I am, I immediately looked up tips for the fight.
When I saw that “Toriel will refuse to kill you” I was so confused because, no? She definitely did just kill me.
So I tried the fight again and lo and behold, she purposefully missed this time.
I was so confused for quite a while.
That's cause I believe there is a Damage threshold she reaches where she will stop hitting you, But its possible to die the turn before this takes effect
She hard-stops her actual attacks at 3hp. Fighting her with no armor (aka the bandage) causes her to deal 4 damage to you, so if you keep taking damage from 12 or so hp constantly when your hp is at a multiple of 4…
Also if you die to her once, she subconsciously remembers it and holds back when you’re at 4 HP the next time. Not sure if this is the case for the murder route.
this is my favourite game theory channel. i love how you always provide solid information and specify when you are going of the rail, it makes it so much easier to not have inacurate headcanons
Offhand but your channel is really great and i really appreciate how your videos are so in depth and acknowledge different possibilities, which is a breath of fresh air in the Deltarune fandom! Even with the TTS your commentary is always entertaining to listen to too, keep up the good work!
I find it amazing that the video started with talking about sprite Easter eggs, and then transitioned into a 3-step guide on how to die to Toriel. Marvelous.
I really like the tts you chose, it's nice to listen to. Also I love these videos with obscure things.
Those 4 frames of Toriel looking at you in heartbroken panic are why I focused on lore in the game, even aaaaallll the way back in 2015 when UNDERTALE released.
That's not reverse megalovania, thats the song that might play when sans is doing your mom
Just painfully playing scenes out over and over again is also my process for figuring out what will happen godspeed brethren
i've watched almost all of your videos and godDAMN i love how obsessed with research you are. it makes me think of Max Derrat, another rather small youtuber, who goes as in depth as you into metal gear solid and other media. it's absolutely my kinda content and i hope you keep making this stuff for a long time
i managed to get this first try, unintentionally. my brain thought "oh hey, if halfbreadchaos took so long to get it, then its fine." and proceeded to die
The day is always better when HalfBreadChaos posts! Never stop the greatness!
But at the same time, make sure to keep yourself happy, and take breaks when stressed.
These videos help me, and many others as well, so please remember to help yourself. ❤️
hey halfbread, i had an idea the other day, and after watching your video i decided to do a little theory crafting of my own. thanks for being an inspiration to me.
I think in the original Undertale demo, Toriel's shocked sprite displays several frames longer. Could be due to the fact that she's essentially the final boss of the demo.
I think they are shrinking, because the dark world is canonically smaller than the light world. We see the light world version of the great board in chapter 1 on the floor, and it’s extremely small. But when we cross it in chapter one, it takes us a bit to cross it. I think that Lightners do physically shrink when they cross into the Dark World
From let’s plays of the Undertale demo, it seems early demo versions allow you to die to Toriel much easier. It was apparently patched at some point, which combined with the issue of armor stats and luck can make this difficult.
Yes true i died in demo on accdient
I'd love to see an au/fan comic about toriel killing frisk on accident and how it affects her (pretending frisk never reset after it)
There could be multiple reasons for Toby doing this with the sprites, coming from an animator. It’s possible it could have been a run cycle, although most likely just kept it in to save time on animation rather than hiding a cut scene. It could also have Ben time constraints, there’s a lot of really good pixel animation in the game, sometimes cutting corners on not as important shorts happen, especially in sprite animation which sometimes subtle things like that don’t get noticed by the masses, kinda like how none of us noticed till now they shrink. Not a critique, this video was great and I love your content, just my perspective on it
I actually saw flowey when backtracking after: The royal guards, mettaton news, the core (twice) and the black and white hallways near asgore.
As an animator, 8 frames is about the shortest you can hold on something to be noticed by most people, though they probably won't consciously notice it unless you hold for longer. Anything less and you will still see it, but it will be more like a feeling or impression, which is why crazy old school wipes with duplicated body parts or super wide bodies are felt but you don't necessarily register how weird they look as if looking at the still image.
I'd also say the running pose is just them in perspective. It looks like the heads, far feet, and far hand are larger while the bodies shrink as their bodies are going forwards. So they squash in anticipation, and then stretch forward into the pose. They'd have a more obvious stretch if we were viewing it sideways. Their bodies also stay the same size when they fall, and as they turn sideways you can see more obviously their bodies and legs are hunched, especially on Kris.
What if something hid something like messages or hints to the story in single frames flashing randomly? Like just enough to get an impression of what happened but not conciously "see" it
can I say love your content all of it I saw every video and having such unique perspective on theories, I like seeing all theories and seeing how they could support or debunk each other, yours I love because they seem very plausible in my comparisons and it scares me
She never intended to only make you see reason so her being the reason you die, must absolutely break her heart
BIG THEORY: OKAY so you know how Deltarune starts with a character creation, but then the narrator says "No one gets to choose who they are in this world." Alright so here's the thing, Undertale's Genocide ending is basically the inverse of Deltarune's beginning. Chara says "Let us erase this pointless world, and move on to the next." Which prompts the player choices "ERASE" or "DO NOT." But even if you choose DO NOT, Chara says "You must have misunderstood. SINCE WHEN WERE YOU THE ONE IN CONTROL?" If they are moving on to the next world, a world where no one gets to choose who they are, and Deltarune is almost like an alternate universe, then is Kris actually Frisk from Undertale after a genocide ending? This would even explain the nightmares and sleep trouble Kris has, recalling all the people they've hurt.
What do you think about this theory peoples?
Honestly the only theory linking the worlds of Undertale and Deltarune I’ve heard that doesn’t seem outlandish or convoluted, props
The only thing that sort of debunks this theory is that toby said UT and DT aren't connected in any way, as if they exist independently... and I think it was in response to this particular theory.... so... sorry to burst your bubble, yeah...
@@cuozannt still, even if not directly related, there could still be a sort of parallel to this idea, we've already seen examples of ideas in undertale being utilized in an all new way.
@@EditUnivers75 just make it a headcannon, you find it cannon knowing it isnt, like a fan-cannon
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When I tried to get the Toriel freeze-frame, I just ran into the attacks while they were avoiding me.
Honey wake up, it's time for some half baked bread!
half bred sounds like an aborted child that is still living.
So THAT'S why I could never get that to work and started to doubt the existence of the freeze frame for a good few minutes.
3:28
"Guess I live here now"☠️☠️☠️
“Failure can be an opportunity for discovery”
I’m writing that in my positivity quotes journal. I struggle with “failing” a lot so that was really helpful to hear and I’m sure will help future me as well
on my first first playthrough I was having a really hard time beating toriel and died to her multiple times lmao
Dude 6:41 felt so triumphant hell yes.
Weird, I could've sworn it was still possible to get hit by Toriel's flames when she's trying to make them avoid you, by hugging the top corners. Did I imagine that?
oh yea i remember that, it was prolly in a undertale secrets video or smthing
Hm, I just tried that but no matter what strat I use (pick a corner and stay there, run rapidly between the two corners, etc) I can't seem to get hit that way. So either it was patched out, or it's *super* rare.
Man, I love the amount of work you put into these videos!
The editing, the script, everything!
Even the intro has so much stuff going on and it's great :D
6:00 I hope he knows that toriel can still accidentally hit you at 1 health, I've never had troubles dying to them
Bread : it’s okay to make mistakes
My parents’ souls : but it refused
HalfBread, I know it isn't likely that you'll see this comment, but I've been bingeing through your videos and I just wanted to say that this is incredible. I know you don't need to hear it from me, but you're clearly very strong and what you're doing is amazing. I think that it's incredible that you make these videos despite the struggles.
* The supportive comments fill you with Determination
Player tries to not die to Toriel -> Dies
Player tries to die to Toriel as hard as possible -> Gets Spared
There is that one frame when entering the dark world, where you can see kris’ red eye (I don’t know which exact frame)
i saw that when i was planning a snowgrave run and i thought i was hallucinating
edit: i believe its when kris enters the dark world alone
@@BagelBagelBagelBa Idk I saw it when grabbing the stuff from chapter one into castle town during chapter 2
I never expected to hear a full movie like speach coming through a text to speach, lol
When you said "she reads it at the start of each turn" i imagined toriel with a book going like "mhm so i just lower my attack and try not to hit the child"
Toriel: “So I asked myself, what would Snail Jesus do?”
i watched jacks undertale playthrough and i saw the shocked toriel sprite when he died. it was so easy. it's nice to know that other people have that power.
i never noticed the kris sprite change though, nice eyes
BABE GET IN HERE, NEW HBC VID JUST DROPPED
i cant believe after all these years theres still things in undertale we can notice
Oi! I have a tip. If you wait too long in the fight with low health, Toriel will Asgore you with a very hard to dodge hand attack. I used to die that way a few times when I first did it. I don't know if it's real anymore, though. To clarify, I played on the Switch version.
As a game dev and animator I want to comment on the "small Kris sprite" thing - having weird looking frames that are too fast to see is really common in animation. Sometimes subtle things like that just make an animation feel better!
Maybe Toriel does more damage on a pacifist run. I did a run where I kept the bandage on during a pacifist run and remember her doing 5 damage (although I may be misremembering).
Armor doesn’t change defense when you edit your save to wear it as opposed to equipping normally
as he said, bandage boosted it to 4 not 5, was that run one where you played with the name "Frisk" since that is hard mode
@@sergioandresquirogavelarde6816 no I was doing a normal pacifist run.
"This *is* a pacifist run!" I cry, smacking her directly in the face with a stick.
amazingly, ive managed to die to toriel almost everytime ive played. sometimes more than once. something about that one fire attack leads me into getting 3 combo'd at the last possible second
I had watched the video only till this point 7:48. i know why (Tu)toriel doesn't make that face sometimes. when you're on genocide route in undertale, then toriel give a f**k about your death. only on pacifist there she will make that face.
I see it as the both of them sprinting forward- leaning forward a bit before leaping
I agree with what you said at the end, because I can easily defeat undyne the undying but die to papyrus every time
Toriel actually killed me on one of my first playthrough when I couldn't spare her, so I just concluded I had to kill her, and that's the only kill i had in my first playthrough
It’s interesting how surprisingly complicated the code is for how much damage Toriel deals per hit, given that damage for most other bosses excluding Sans’ KR is usually straightforward and consistent.
It's been so many years since I played Undertale and followed content online, and it's amazing how I'm still finding out things I didn't know about. Like this Toriel sprite. Oh damn
Already knowing that this was about that last videos error
Its always nice when HalfBreadChaos posts a video.
On my first playthrough, I accidentally died to Toriel, I'm not even joking!
I gotta say, I really really love your videos mate, your theories are insanely interesting and I love the way you edit the videos! great work
This guy: spends what was likely hours trying to die to Toriel
Jacksepticeye: hold my beer
Classic as always, keep up the good work!
0:49FLINT LOCK WOOD!
The video: “Tw: flashing lights” *sans’s eye probably giving someone a seizure*
I will confess I was pretty worried about that, but it seems like flashing lights are more likely to trigger seizures based on size of the flashing image, and frequency of the flashing.
San's eye is pretty small but just in case I also slowed down the speed at which it flashes. (Similar to the fixed used in the Porygon episode).
That said I'm still learning, it may be wise to slow it down even more, or use a different sprite altogether.
6:54 i remember that i got the toriel shocked face without trying when i was playing a long time ago
HalfBreadChaos: is trying so hard to die to Toriel and find the freeze frame
Me who died to her the multiple times on my first playthrough:
*sips golden flower tea*
Did you know it's actually impossible to die to papyrus, while playing undertale in the ps4. I got hit by papy at 1hp and didn't take damage
Its impossible to die to papyrus on all versions. He will reduce the damage he gives until your at 1 hp, then send you to the garage
@@rz2374 I know, but I somehow hit one hp during his final attack and it didn't end. Then I got hit again and took 0 damage. It was probaly a glitch that the fight ended late.
@@Swagpion Oh ok. That's definitely a glitch, but it's interesting that you still didn't die after when papyrus carried on. Papyrus really doesn't want you to die, even if the game glitches out!
You're quickly becoming one of my favorite channels right now, and I really love the txt to speech voice narration! I hope you'll keep at this bc it's really good content
you can literally just say you're embarrassed to record your voice. that's fine.
dying to toriel is actually pretty normal, it happend to me and probably 40-60% of the commuity on their first run.
Naming yourself Frisk for handmade does wonders for getting yourself killed. Especially with Toriel, she doesn't let up
I never used to like text to speech commentary videos, because of the soulless delivery. But you, somehow, have put so much personality into the text to speech, making me laugh often. To me, your text to speech is your signature, and makes you stand out from the crowd. Please keep making videos!
that speech at the end was very nice, thank u halfbread