Corrections: Aw crap I misspelled Salticibread's name at 12:19. Sorry! FAQ: Q: Wait where did you get the broom sprite? And the bread? A: Chrono Trigger (mop sword) and Kirby Superstar Q: What was wrong with your channel name? A: There's uh... racial implications baked in that name which I... don't feel qualified to unpack or bare. So I'm Bread now. Q: What about Ralsie's weird castle? And it's basement? And the doors? A: Too much to get into, the video is already 25 minutes. Ralsie's castle overlaps somewhat with another future topic so I'm saving it for that. Q: Why do you keep calling those dust piles? Couldn't they be soap-suds, chalk, baking soda, etc? A: Oopsie-doopsie! I forgot to mention it but those piles are labeled "dustpile.png" by the sprite names, so they are actually probably dust. Q: Why wasn't my positive comment in the Ending? A: Software/Hardware limitations. Shotcut starts crying when there's a lot of layers, and animated layers are even worse. It crashed several times making the maps from 2:20, because those are all separate layers instead of one big image. I just learned about keyframes and don't quite know what I'm doing with them yet so, about 20ish comments was about all I had in me. I promise your comment still fills me with Determination even if I don't find a way to include it in a video. Thank you for your support everyone.
do you have any thoughts on the recurring concept of inverted colours examples i can think of: - the red and purple areas in chapter one have inverted colours (if you invert them they look like normal green fields and trees) - kris is blue, which is the colour human skin tends to look with inverted - susie and lancer, when lying down getting fanned together, mention they're getting a "reverse tan" where they get as pale as possible - the puzzle in queen's mansion where you upstage berdly has a weird flavour text that mentions "these dark bulbs cast a bright shadow on the ground" or something weird, right ?
@@leedlelel2373 T-There is still hope! That description is accurate for chapters 1-2, BUT!! What if it changes later on!? We must hold on to our hopes and dreams!
I kind of love the idea of Papyrus being responsible for some of the fountains, like the idea of this lonely guy with dreams of being a hero (and with no royal guard to project those dreams onto), shyly sneaking out after dark to create these worlds where he can be everything he wants to be. He's getting so caught up in the stories where he can be everything he has ever wanted to be that he doesn't realize the harm he's causing. It fits so nicely with the idea of the Dark Worlds as a means of escapism, and is such a fascinating way to explore Pap's character! Even though I'm extremely skeptical of the idea, I love it so much. ...Or maybe I just really really miss Papyrus.
@@Dan0RG partially ture, when talking about undertale lore people always only talk about sans and gaster, and that in the longrun make people remember more thigs about W. D. Edgelord than about the great Papyrus
The liquid looks too thick to be water. From how the puddles at the bottom of wall-drips are shaped (good example: 4:13), i'd say it's about the consistency of something like honey, tar or thick epoxy - not water, as the puddles are clearly not flat, jutting out of the ground. Although on another note it could just be that we're shrunk in the Dark World and each puddle is just, like, one or two drops of water, which _would_ be kept together by surface tension.
I thought it might be mold, y’know? looks kinda run down. Maybe a water pipe burst in the closet and waterlogged the room, and it never got repaired. Also the pillars might be the chalk that they were supposed to get and the puff things are dust/chalk dust.
@@elecstorm3701 Indeed it may not have the consistency of actual water, but you have to remember there in another world where playing cards can become people. we haven't seen what water would look like, if it's not the black stuff, so who knows what might happen to water if it enters the dark world
I personally always saw the LEFT closet in the Computer Lab to be the Queen's Castle,for the specfic fact that its "large enough to fit a person". Guess what fits in Queen's entire castle? _A giant humanoid robot_
The fact that there are so many possibilities for the closet - where the knight hid before noelle and berdly arrived, where kris hides berdly’s body, queen’s mansion - is just a testament to the amazing writing in this game
I mean that is what i originally thought until people got the idea that we could stuff berdly in there in the weird route, and- er- the whole Knight hiding there thing as well
I’ve always thought that the borders of deltarune are the darkness that Spamton talks about. On the switch version you can have dynamic borders that change depending on what area you’re at. When you go fight Spamton the borders turn black. And looking at them while Spamton says “it’s still so dark” makes me feel like it has a second meaning
The borders always turn black when youre fighting a boss i believe The darkness hes talking about is that hes still in a dark world "ITS STILL SO DARK", but he wants to go be in the light world, but unfortunately for him a body made by a lightner didnt help with that, thats what "heaven" is to him, for him to he actually "real" yet it was never possible, his set path doesnt ever make him something more than a secret boss, nothing more than a puppet
@@leedlelel2373 I actually never heard him say he wanted to be a Lightner... but instead, to be REAL. I'm pretty sure all the Dark World characters know that they're objects in the Light World. Seam talks about their cotton stuffing & knows they're in such poor condition they might get thrown away. Queen gleefuly identifies herself as a computer. Pretty sure there are other cases too. It's not knowing they're Light World objects that drove Jevil to start harming others & Spamton to obsessively strive for freedom.... It's knowing that they're just NPCs in a video game. Just code & scripts. "IT'S ALL A GAME, A GAME!" If Jevil kills the other Darkners, or even the Lightners, it doesn't matter, they're all just lines of code, there for the whims of higher beings, to play & then abandon. & it was the Heart-Shaped Object that Spamton wanted... that is, US. We, the player. Spamton wanted to leave the game altogether. To be truly REAL, like you & me. But, that's impossible. So that's why his dream could never come true. & that's why Spamton addressed all three main characters (not just Kris) when talking about breaking their own strings. Because they, too, are enslaved by "strings" of code. That's why Ralsei didn't want to think about it... Didn't want Kris or Susie to think about it. Doesn't want anyone there confronting the fact that NONE of them are real. Even the Lightners, are virtual Darkners to us! 😶 Maybe WE are the Titans. & the Roaring, & the Angel's Heaven, has something to do with US, in some way... 😶🌫
@@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her after this words I just realized... What if The Roaring is the game reset, or game deleting after the full walkthrough, but integrated into the story? That's looks like the idea of The Restart thing that me and my friends created for our Role play. That's the devastation of the already existing world, with destroying and killing everything it have, but then it all get rebuilt again, just like there is nothing happened. The Roaring can be the same thing, but... Without the rebuilding part. If it's really just the simple reset of the game, then it destroys the existing world, and just restore it into the same thing as it was from the beginning. But if that's the deletion of the game... Well, I don't have any idea about this concept, unfortunately. But that thing really very similar to The Restart, created in our Role play. And that's... Interesting...
@@ГотаБГ Yeah... I think the single ending Toby alludes to is the fact that, inevitably, the game will end. We will stop playing. And it'll basically be the end of the world for the characters. The Delta Warriors are said to come together to banish the Angel's Heaven, but only AFTER the world had already been devastated. They won't prevent it. They can only make SOMETHING happen afterwards, & we don't know what yet. Maybe create a way for them to live on? Maybe a symbolism for them all living on in our hearts, or in our fan works? Because in some way, that IS what we do, when we love a fictional story strongly enough... ...Maybe like the story of the Velveteen Rabbit: Our love makes them real. 🥲
something interesting about the "eyes blinded by darkness" is the fact that theres a number of characters that have eyes or pupils that are hidden from us. kris and seam being the most obvious here but even susie when we first meet her also has hair covering her eyes at first. its not til the end of chapter 1 that susie's eyes are revealed to us. i dont think thats an unimportant detail
I wonder if that may tie into why Kris and Susie seem to be the only ones who acknowledge Ralsei's existence more than others. If Ralsei originates from his Grand Fountain, does that in turn mean he's made from purer Darkness than other Darkners? And if so, what does that mean about Kris and Susie? That they can somehow perceive stronger forms of Darkness than others can?
hold on. susie's eyes are revealed after she agrees to follow the player's requests. "only eyes blinded by darkness can see the way." how did seam get one eye *torn out* and is the other (which looks similar to the "everyone" face flowey makes) original or a replacement? both of mystery man's gashes protrude from the eyes. "you lost it when you tried to see too far." if seam, blinded by darkness, can "see the way" (as in, has mysterious knowledge about the crystal holders), then can kris see the way too? and why does the glass item distort vision?
I really like hte idea that some of these areas are meant to be "out of bounds". Theres a bit more of that in the place where you fight Spamton NEO, because in the basement area it seems like the darkness around the rooms is meant to be solid walls, but then it isn't. The teacups just kind of appear in the black space next to the room, and at the beginning of the fight the tracks extend out into the dark space that looked like a wall. Also both Jevil and Spamton talk about freedom, so it's worth considering that these are OPTIONAL bosses, you have the FREEDOM to fight them or just go along with the normal story. And when you fight Spamton in snowgrave he says "you don't need me anymore", which could be because you found a way to break from the normal story without his sidequest. In chapter 1 Ralsei says that the adventure the three heroes will go on is foretold exactly by the prophecy, so if all of this stuff is kind of "ouiside" of the game and the game's story, then it is also going against the prophecy. On an unrelated note, the Jevil line about us being the ones who are not free is actually a bit of wordplay, Ralsei says "you are clearly the one behind bars", and Jevil says "doesn't seem so from here" because when jevil looks at the bars he sees you behind them, so he is always technically correct without any weirdness going on at all.
and the way spamton neo's fight takes place on a railroad, and you can ride along the railroad technically for FOREVER and never reach an end... just like how out of bounds areas technically go on forever in vast expanses of repeating textures. like the backdrop to his fight, a blank city also on the topic of jevil living in freedom, it's true. when you walk thru that door, the only way out is to either die and reset your progress or defeat him, making a choice on which reward you get. you never get that type of freedom anywhere else. even when you open the door, you can walk away and not making any meaningful consequential choice. he DOES live in freedom, and thru his path is the only way to find your own.
And I think the line regarding "locking up their entire race" could be a further play on that concept. A fence technically surrounds everything except the part in the middle as well.
Queen says that she's worried about noelle clipping into a wall somewhere, so its likely that out of bounds areas are a common thing in the dark worlds
the closet dark world is special because its a storage closet and isnt limited to the limitations of a dark world like the computer room you can store everything in a storage closet and that is also why the fountain is made of pure darkness
How Darkeners transcend time ie, how they seem like they can have detailed backstories even if they are objects in the light world is in my opinion a form of last Thursdayism. The idea is the universe could have been created last Thursday, including all your memories of the days before, and you don't know it.
Exactly!, i thought i was the only one thinking the dark world was like the "everything was last Thursday" theory. but maybe darkners history is made before the fontune, like if an objects was moved between rooms it will remember that as a darkner (but maybe more dramatized in their memory), ... but that just a hipothsis
Didn’t spamton and the adisons say something along the lines of enticing Lightners? This would mean that they had a sort of life before the dark fountain was created, a real life purpose, which was to be an ad that grabs the attention of people. It could also be with what Cool Gamer said, the dark world is simply a separate place connected to real world objects, or put in a different way, it could be that the Dark Fountain warps the real life history of the objects into a dark variation, maybe it could also be that the objects experience a sort of secretive history that can’t be seen from the light world, since again, dark world could be a separate place where their dark forms and dark history are kept
Ehehehehe, you do have to beat Gaster off with a broom when theorising about this game. The idea of the unused classroom being where Gerson taught is an interesting one. The town is so small that I can see them not having a need to hire a replacement soon after his death, especially if he taught kids older than Kris's age group -- who we can assume to have all gone to college or into work in the mean time.
@@leedlelel2373 Yeah but it seems to be a storage room now, since there is no actual teaching material (even pre-scholars would need chairs, like the ones in Toriel's classroom) My point is that it does not reflect it's former function
Alvin un the graveyard says Alphys is the replacement for Gerson and Gerson is an anagram of Goners and Goners is related to Gaster and Alphys replace Gerson just like in Undertale Alphys replaced Gaster as the royal scientist. It could be that Gerson is somehow related to Gaster.
The magic glass you mentioned also has one more connection: the shadow crystal. It becomes glass in the light world, and could definitely be considered magical (it can show you the room the dark fountain is)
Congrats on getting monitized! I love listening to your half baked theories (bread joke), and so I’m glad I’ll get to watch more in the future! Good luck!
The interesting thing to point out with the idea that the secret bosses are becoming lonely because of their “freedom” is the line from the Spamton Sweepstakes about the corrupted egg pet, where it “left home due to happiness”. It seems like there’s an inherent loneliness being assigned to these beings who become “happy” or get everything they may have wanted. Jevil learned that his whole life was another game to play and got the power to play it, Spamton became a big shot, and Ralsei…? Ralsei became a prince and a prophecized hero, but was doomed to rule over an empty kingdom, and quite fittingly, Ralsei, like the other secret bosses, is directly aware of meta concepts and the soul.
Fun fact I just realized from playing earthbound recently: Jevils dialogue about how everyone else locked up their entire race is likely a reference to the underworld tenbas near the end of the game. They built several barricades around towns to protect themselves from dinosaurs, but one of them phrases it as them building a cage around the dinosaurs.
I dont think queens basement is in the cabinet to the corner, swatch says the neo body was abandoned with the rest of the corrupted data (which would mean its not physical like you thought it was) and the closet where "a large person could fit inside" is a much more likely place to be the basement, since its "filled with old electronics" and you can see old electronics everywhere on the walls in the basement It would also stick with jevil, if his basement actually takes place in the closet, which is to the left of the unused classroom, then it would make sense if spamtons basement, is in a closet to the left too I also think queens mansion is actually just the laptop and queens just the motherboard, since she says her acid river is the mansions energy source and the swatchlings and swatch are ms paint swatches and tasque manager is literally a task manager (or maybe giga queen is the laptop which is why its in the middle of the mansion?) But also, heres a fun fact, the basement face's files are for whatever reason put in with the GONERMAKER's (the vessel creation) and is labeled "DEVICE_FRIEND" just like how the choices in the vessel creator are labeled "DEVICE_NAMER", "DEVICE_APPEARANCE" etc.
I think the dust heaps represent literal dust, the tar represents some sort of ink. like ink cartridges or ink pods for pens. and the wobbly things are simply... I dunno... Also saying the wobbly thing in the true lab is related to papyrus would also make all references to mus_smile also related to muffet. thats right, gaster isnt on the phone with spamton, its just muffet laughing in reverse (very slowly), as one does
Muffet's laugh isnt just her laugh, enemies in the core like astigmatism and madjick use it as well when you attack them, its more of a standard enemy laugh
I’d just like to take a moment to say I adore your videos and the style of fun-loving speculation you bring, my absolute favorite part of games like this with tons of mysteries. All the work you put into this stuff does NOT go unnoticed, I’m sure piles of people love exactly what you do just as much. Compliments over, time for my own stupid theory on what’s up with the closet! You mentioned the eyes looking like the ones on the titans in Ralsei’s explanation of the roaring and the piles of pulsating dust at the start of chapter 1, but you never really put them together. What I think is that the dark world in the supply closet is the remnants of some kind of previous roaring or a failed roaring that was stopped before it could escape the confines of that closet. The eyes on the wall, more than likely a sign of the titans. The black stuff oozing from all those holes, pure, crushing darkness that’s been around so long it’s settled in pools and caves. All those piles of dust that moan when you interact with them? They’re darkners that turned to stone and eroded into dust with their life force still trapped inside. That would leave the town empty of all life but Ralsei, who’s obviously some kind of exception to the rule for one reason or another. If so, that explain almost every questionable thing about the goat boy. He’s so aggressively friendly and comforting not because he’s JUST lonely, but because he saw everyone and everything around him die. He’s traumatized and putting up a happy face, probably having dealt with this horrible memory so long he’s numb to it and just wants to move on and help the heroes whenever they end up coming to him. That’s why he seems so disgruntled whenever someone (Susie) does something un-heroic or not part of a traditional fantasy narrative, and why he gets ESPECIALLY upset when Berdly tries to make a new dark fountain. The prophecy is all he has to look forward to. TLDR: Your videos are awesome and so are you. The closet is the aftermath of a roaring that either happened such a long time ago the world just recovered, or it’s the aftermath of a failed roaring that only affected 1 area. Ralsei is such a weird guy because everyone he ever knew and loved has been dead for who knows how long and he really wants the adventure to go his way because the prophecy was the only thing he had to look forward to for the rest of his life.
17:30 didn't we already know that the Neo body was just a drawing? According to this dialogue [ ruclips.net/video/X3Zv_qSyy2o/видео.html ] , a Lightner created it with Swatch (i.e. an illustration program like MS Paint), but it ended up in the basement... with the rest of the corrupted data. Maybe the basement of the mansion is supposed to be the laptop's Recycle Bin out something?
oh my god!! i JUST commented that if the neo body was a drawing then it might have been created by mettaton since he has the same one in undertale and also dreams of becoming famous and successful
You're probably my favorite theory crafter in the deltarune community, you seem to be always thinking of something bigger, and it amazes me!!! Glad that you're finally monetized, you deserve it!! Now, on the topic of the first dark world. There's definitely something going on there, it's a place that doesn't seem to connect at all thematically with any other place, plus the eyes being connected to the titan means that something must have happened, perhaps a roaring, or something of the sort. Can't wait to see what Toby does with it!!
Papyrus is my favorite character, so idk how I feel about the theory of him being the knight... We have one rule in my two room household, and that is that we do not harm Papyrus.
I think it would be bad. Reducing the knight down to someone silly who just wanted friends and magical dark worlds seems like a lame conclusion to that arc. Should be someone at least a little more threatening, with better and less childish motivations... plus, Papyrus doesn't seem like the type to use a knife.
i don't really have concrete theories about it, but onionsan's whole diatribe about the song of the sea might potentially be connected to shyren? years ago at this point, sans told us to look into shyren, and specifically her lower body (which is another monster, who's conspicuously missing in deltarune). shyren is also noted as "resting her voice" - implying she used it recently, and maybe even that she'll use it again.
I think you accidentally figured something out. The secret bosses are linked with carnevil rides, IE Jevil with merry-go-rounds and Spamton with roller coasters. It makes me wonder what the next secret boss's ride will be. Part of me thinks it will be either a Ferris wheel or a haunted house.
I'm so happy I've come across this channel. I can't stop thinking about this: Ralsei trying to gather everyone in his town feels... _too_ similar to how Flowey gathered every monster to become the absolute God of hyperdeath. Sure, it can be just a parallel or a coincidence, but it's just stuck in my head for some reason. Also yes, it is very interesting how loneliness connects the basements and Ralsei's world.
so theres some things i cant help but mention cause this videos got me thinking back, through many things, and some might just help: so first off, japanese mythology: its worth noting the whole idea in general of the darkners is, quite obviously, HEAVILY based off japanese folklore's tsukomogami, and while im not well versed in the subject, i think i can safely say that you were right on them garnering experience while inanimate. as for the closet, looking closely at appearances, it seems its just a regular, dusty, long unused cabinet: the cliffs are a dull, grayed brown, as if coated in dust, the little eyestalk guys that wiggle are probably very tiny bits of mold meaning water damage potentially, and the eyes themselves, i think are carvings on wood, or something of the sort: perhaps someone stored research on the roaring in there, as well? that would explain a lot about it, and ralsei too. next, the going out of bounds, and abanonded theme park: due to the shape of doors in basement areas, i think all doors down there are mouseholes, which would also explain a lot more: a mousehole would lead you out of a room, into a space between rooms. between dark worlds. therefore, i think, perhaps, the secret bosses reflect something else in the building. perhaps, just maybe, theres some connection in the walls to the bunker: it would make sense, as electrical lines, sewer systems, theyre connected to one central point generally, right? so its not too far fetched to say that, either, theres some amusement park model or toy being hid in the walls or room for some reason, or theres one in the bunker, perhaps a model of the town during the fair in specific? theres a LOT this could be.
it would make sense if the basements were between dark worlds as each of the secret bosses foreshadow the next chapter, which no other npc really ever does
Something I love about your videos is that not only do you go all out when forging these theories and turning them into something for us as the viewers to understand, but you also make it fun and entertaining. Not only that, but you tag back to what the audience might think, which sometimes you explain isn’t exactly the right answer and other times use it to help yourself out. You also connect back to other theories sometimes. You show us your thinking process, which to me has shown to be rerouted when there are things you thought were placed correctly that turn out not to be the right piece. Through everything, you’re making little quips and jokes, whether it be through TTS, characters talking to each other or audience, or even you interacting with yourself from the future. Just something that I wanted to say :)
i LOVE how your channel is growing. also, the detail and care you put in these videos? FANTASTIC. continue like this, you got this. (but also do't overwork yourself and take care of your health, both mental AND physical)
I just started following your channel since your Goner Code video and I'm happy that you got monetization. Believe me, your videos are so well done and filled with content that you deserved something by making them. I actually recomended some of your videos, and I think this one deserves a recomendation too. I wish you good luck, good health and good views! Thanks for the videos.
Honestly, I just kind of assumed the first part of the darkworld (meaning the creepy hills and ralsei’s kingdom) was entirely separate from the rest and didnt have any real world component, since ralsei describes it as the original or main dark fountain. The first darkworld starts by entering that big golden door, so I believe it’s separate from ralseis kingdom or “MyCastleWorld”. The entrance part has lots of connections to the prophecy and implications of the roaring happening before.
Something really interesting about the closet dark world / castle town is that if you use the shadow crystal there, nothing happens. It doesn't show you a light world counterpart or anything.
Perhaps the closet is an empty room, and the Dark Fountain was created out of pure imagination/determination, hence it being made of "pure darkness". I had already recognised the similarity between the closet and Sans' room in UNDERTALE, but there are more connections between the closet and our blue skeleton buddy than I realised. I've always thought the "prank across time and space" could be that Sans' prank on us is to reference something that we haven't experienced yet. Papyrus, or whoever Sans' brother is in DELTARUNE, could definitely be the Roaring Knight. Perhaps he will wear a fedora too? I hadn't noticed how the secret basements in both Chapters are almost like out-of-bounds areas before. Since Jevil's prison area looks similar to Castle Town, perhaps Card Castle as a whole once had a similar aesthetic? I think that going back to the ?????? intro area in a future Chapter is very likely to happen, especially since it's so mysterious. It would be a great "Bookending" moment if that happened as one of the last parts of the last Chapter.
Oh frick wait if it was made of pure imagination what if the fountain kris created is actually a pure fountain and toriels house will be our second hub world Idk stupid idea
@@leedlelel2373 If the "pure darkness" thing is related to a storage closet being able to hold any kind of object, that would kind of make sense as pretty much anything could reasonably be in someone's house! I can't imagine them not sealing this one though.
Your writing is incredible and I am super psyched for everything you plan to make! I'm glad the RUclips nightmare seems to be finished as well. You deserve all of the naps.
So Creepy Jingle plays when you talk to a little clown hidden away behind a magic door that seems to lead to a different world & he turns out to be a tough as nails optional boss who used to work for the king & is beaten by tiring him out. Yeah, I don't think that's a coincidence.
@@plant7371 sans. he's optional since the route used to get to the sans fight is entirely optional and even discouraged, since in undertake the game pushes you to mostly aim for pacifist or at least neutral. Sans's room door seems magical, and he works for asgore or is at least implied to have at some point
Personally my first thought was that the start of the dark world with all the weird stuff was a manifestation of an unclean corner of the closet. The black stuff is slimy mold, the dust is moldy dust, basically a mold infested corner or area. But looking back all the puzzles don't add up, you're right. Absolutely huge stretch, but what if Papyrus went to the school as a kid and played in the closet, and wrote down puzzles before leaving them there when they moved, and they're now moving back into town...? I don't think I'm right but it was my first thought
Something interesting came to mind as I was watching. In chapter 1 the closet takes you to the cliffs... but in chapter 2, Kris and Susie are able to jump right into Castle town using the same closet, completely avoiding the cliffs section. What are your thoughts about that?
Woah good point. I'm more perplexed that I can just... leave the Closet any time I want to? Why do we have to seal the dark fountains to leave all the other worlds, but not the closet? Are the other world's monarchs just jerks?
Could be. Or it could be that Ralsei has more control over the dark world than we realize. He's already been proven to be hiding insanely important information regarding the titans, so who knows what else he's hiding or how much influence he really has. Not to mention the fact that he can just...travel to any dark world he wants?
@@somerandomguy4766 well there clearly isn't a king or queen, it's possible he just doesn't see himself as wise or important enough to be a ruler. ALSO, in UT Asriel is a Prince, never a King. And there are a ton of really obvious parallels between the two. It's possible (even likely) that Ralsei is a projection of Asriel since Kris misses him so much. (also the red horns headband bleached pink from time)
3:35 I'm going to point out the computer only crashes if Spamton Neo was fought. As such that computer likely is the one to contain the Neo data and possibly the basement.
Citation? I tested all the PCs in the light world multiple times for multiple runs due to the rumors around Snowgrave, and found no evidence of this. But I am human and capable of error so, if someone has footage of it, I'd like to update.
@@HalfBreadChaos Bluescreen definitely happens if you defeated Spamton Neo on a pacifist route, and I think generally doesn't if you skipped his fight.
another great video! alot of things to think about. you always bring up connections that id never realise or notice its really awesome ill be honest one of the initial ideas i had about the closet it that it seemed like a kind of source of darkness? or maybe more specifically it seemed like a kind of Space Between. the darkness is unrefined, it literally is a sort of black goo, as well as the dust not being well formed, maybe thats what darkners are made of. we still dont fully understand how ralsei joined us in the computer lab, unless he has some secret teleportation magic, he must have traversed across something to get there, unless he just walked through a literal void of space i suppose. the background of the dark world closet is so vast its not that much of a stretch to say that it could eventually connect to other dark worlds right? chapter 1 was alot more straightforward seeing as ralseis world and lancers world was connected by the golden door which Literally represents a physical door in the light world. if we do imagine that area as a sort of Space Between, it could also explain why the basement areas with jevil and spamton seem similar. we are on the outskirts of their respective kingdoms (or quite literally in the dark bottom corners of the light world rooms) so maybe the areas start to sort of break down/make less sense in the same way. even any 'monsters' in these areas are strange, the weird waving things and the dust clouds, the strange face and the lightning plugs, they seem to be alive in some way but are they really like any other darkners?? theyre environmental hazards but its just like theyre there to just be there, not like the dancers in the forest or the people driving in cars.. thats just one way it makes sense in my head, but there are still many assumptions you have to have for it to make sense. and i agree that the way you first enter the dark world is weird (like why is it not yet transformed, and who closed the door) but maybe that strange way of entering could explain why you ended up in the outskirts, and once you enter the normal way (just jumping in) you spawn in front of ralseis castle instead.
Hm... you bring up a good point with the idea of a "space in between." We see Ralsie step out of bounds in the Spamton-Neo cutscene, and the "room in between" in Chapter 2 uses Chapter 1 assets.
@@HalfBreadChaos oh yeah, i feel like out of bounds is a great way to put it. out of bounds content in games tend to be super interesting: discarded/unused assets, past iterations of the game and secrets. if its deliberate on tobys part for the trees and the room in between to be like out of bounds areas (i mean i think its pretty likely seeing as you have to go past the visible tiles) i cant wait to see how he plays with those ideas in relation to deltarune (and lets be real gaster), like hes done with the gamecode hiding secrets and information in undertale!
@@HalfBreadChaos lancer also goes out of bounds for the sequence between the door and getting to the castle (which interestingly enough, is never visited again once you've accesed the castle, so it kinda works like the rooms in between)
Going out of bounds has been mentioned in game too Queen worried that noelle would clip out of bounds somewhere, which may just be a joke but the city does have a lot of corrupted looking tiles, which could have something to due with the computers in the lab being old
I totally agree with the idea that they were "alive" even before the fountain existed. That's apparent when we see Sweet and Cap'n's dialogue... Why doesn't everyone notice
Okay I have a thought about this closet I have a running theory that hometown has underground tunnels. It’s not uncommon for older buildings in towns in the US to have unused bomb shelters, and even for them to be connected by tunnels. There’s one under my old high school that connects to the middle school. It’s my explanation for how Ralsei gets to the library, and admittedly I’m mostly just running with this because I find the idea of secret tunnels connecting the school, the library, the church, city hall, and the bunker to be EXTREMELY compelling, but it would also explain everything weird about the closet. Kris and Susie fall *down* when they go into the closet. What if that first dark world with the weird cliffs and dust and spores and unidentified black liquid is not actually in the closet but in a tunnel *under* the closet? It could also explain why they don’t get warped straight there as soon as they go through the door. We went down into the one under my school while going over the Cold War in class, and the creepy exposed pipes, uneven bare concrete walls, strange damp spots, and dust definitely seem like the sort of environment that could create that dark world. 🤔🤔🤔
For the recurring instances of going beyond the game borders, I interpreted Spamton's [HEAVEN] to be the blackness beyond the game borders.... and that being the reasons he wants to become bigger
So glad that you got monetized! I love so many cool deltarune theory channels but I think yours is my favorite, your ideas are interesting and the personality in your writing and editing brightens my day.
I don't know if anyone will end up reading this, a 2 year old video after all. My theory regarding the closet fountain is that it's actually the bunker fountain. With all the connections between darkness and water, maybe this very old fountain had been shooting up for quite a long time, slowly eroding its ceiling, which eventually ground its way up through the closet, seeping through slightly and spilling out that darkness in the hall. We entered the closet, and the weight of two teenagers was enough to break what was left of the closet floor. This would also allow for a possible explanation of/expansion upon whatever ralsei is hiding, that being whatever, or whoever, is in the bunker, sealed right below castle town. In the basement, or perhaps dungeon, that we aren't allowed to access.
"Does Sans know something that we don't?" My dude, is the freakin' sky blue? XD But seriously, I never even thought about some of these point you brought up. Sans being the school janitor would make a lot more sense than it should. And the carnival motif between Jevil and Spamton blew my mind. It makes me think that the Festival will be synonymous with the Roaring... And Sans' line about meeting his brother when Asriel comes home... I'm starting to see some potential connections...
Great job as always, but i have to disagree on the light World counterpart for queen's Mansion. Imo, it's obvious that queen's Mansion IS the Closet in the computer lab. -If you check The cabinet, it says it's full of computer mouses and other backup stuff, which transform into mice in the darkworld. Cyber city has far more mice stuff than queen's mansion. -Also, the Ferris wheel goes from left to right, and you take it from Noëlle's Room. To reach that Room, you go up, not left. So that means that most of what made queen's mansion would be on the left of the Room Aka that closet. -the Closet IS full of electronics and what looks like data servers. According to swatch, the bassement IS where all the corrupted data is kept. That closet looks like the most appropriate place to store data. Speaking of data, queen's rooms/prison cells are actually just a Big data center, think about it you have hundreds of rooms which are all seemingly filled with data about hometown's citizens. We might not be able to see what's in the cabinet, but according to the narration, there's nothing inside it that would be able to hold digital data -Finally, don't forget that queen's mech is supposed to be standing in the middle if the palace until the final fight. How would it fit in a cabinet ? However, it could fit no problem in the closet, and that's what the line "a huge person could easily fit inside" refers to. Not the knight (why/how would the narrator even know about this ?)
Fair enough, we still don't really know who the narrator is/what they know, or what the queen's mech was (as a real life counterpart) but I agree that the closet is just as plausible as the cabinet. Huh.... *now I'm wondering why people in the dark world are so small compared to ordinary objects like playing cards. Is it based on importance (how much a lightner used the object) or perception (how the object looks to the lightner)?
@@HalfBreadChaos Thank you for your answer ! Yeah it would be nice if in later chapters, she had dialogues that would help us figure out what that mech was in the lightworld. I don't know about their sizes, but something i'm pretty confident about now that we got ch2 IS that the more an object is important to a lightner, the more powerful the darkner born from that object becomes -Queen is the laptop computer, described as the library's state of the art computer or smth, meaning its the most appealing to hometowners -NEO is powerful because of Mettaton's hope (confirmed by swatch) Perhaps Ralsei's unexpected powers or his status as prince of the dark Comes from the fact he's an object of unfathomable value ? Then what would happen if we brought a deceased Monster's favorite object covered with their dust to a dark world ?
11:28 Wait a second. I know what this song is. It's the second part of Spooktune. I had to relisten to confirm but yeah, that is DEFINITELY Spooktune- oh.... people already pointed it out.... Welp. Although now I'm wondering, is this the "old song from the sea" that Onion-San refers to? Onion and Napstablook *do* both live in Waterfall in Undertale, so maybe they are or were friends in Deltarune's timeline? Maybe it's just hard for Onion to remember due to how Napstablook is as a monster, being very quiet. Or maybe Onion's not *supposed* to remember...? Admittedly, I'm not entirely sure. But it's definitely something to think about. Maybe there's more to Napstablook than we think?
i always thought the wobbly things at the beginning were spring doorstoppers. yknow the ones installed low on walls to stop the door from slamming into the wall, that you can pull back and they go boioioioiiing. maybe they represent the doorstopper on the entrance to the classroom, and the reason they soread 'spores' is because theyre dusty. obviosuly, wall-to-floor corners collect the most dust and spring doorstoppers can get caked in dust if a place isnt tidied up frequently.
I think Jevil does follow through on his promise to let us join him in his freedom through his boss fight - it's the only battle in Chapter 1 where the choice between using ACTs and attacking leads to tangibly different results. I'm not certain that that's the intended meaning anymore, since Chapter 2 introduces consequences for the two options in normal fights even if you didn't free Jevil, but it's an alternate interpretation to the room he's in having any special properties.
Long comment ahead: Personally, I see the “closet dark world” as what happens when pure darkness, determination, with as little creativity as possible, combines, because there’s nothing there, no fun characters or even enemies to fight, it’s just those spores, which I think are those little springs that stop doors, is where all the creativity goes to. When we go to castle town there’s nobody there because of the low amount of things and creativity there is, the only thing that can manifest is whatever Ralsei is, for all we know he’s just fond memories of Kris’ fun times with Asriel, nothing physical, allowing him to cross over to dark worlds so easily. Also, only when toys and other things that were brought to life with imagination made castle town more than the home of the dark fountain, made from the bonds you made with the toys, making castle town lively.
Here's something to add to your work and maybe add to what could be future events in the story. The way I view the "school supply closet" in the game is as sort of a "Supply Basement". Where all the excess school resources are stored, since it's so dark and it's fairly expansive. It could be interpreted as a potential hidden hangout for Kris and Susie when school's not in session. (If the Dark Worlds can be explained as Kris and Susie playing pretend based on the layout of the room. Then we still need to explain what "Castle Town" would represent in relation to the Light World). It would also explain how Kris and Susie can bring Dark Worlders with them to Castle Town as the school wouldn't think random toys and computer parts would look out of place in a supply basement. Also, note that Kris and Susie need to jump down and float up to enter and exit Castle Town. Let's talk about Onion-San. Onion-San looks to be in a lake, a contained body of water. (Since a point about them from last game was that they wanted to be in a big body of water like the Ocean). Onion-San in Chapter 2 mentions they heard "parts of a song under the water" like "deep". Either that lake is REALLY deep or its hinting at something is happening UNDER the lake. They also describe it as "someone auditioning for their band" and "they recognize the song from the ocean". Sounds that can be heard at the bottoms of the ocean could very well be the ground shifting like a tectonic plate which causes earthquakes and tsunamis. It may be a rumbling like the Earth is preparing some kind of flood. According to the map of the town, the lake is just two squares above where the school is. So if there was some kind of rumbling or flood, it would first start disrupting places that are underground...like a basement. I view the dark fountains as somewhat literal, not fountains of darkness, but rather potentially a leaky pipe that's dropping water. Kris and Susie can be pretending this water can bring life to these inanimate objects. (This would also explain why there was an internet outage in Chapter 2, the "Dark World" was formed by an electrical outage due to a leaky pipe in computer lab. Also why the classroom in Chapter 1 is unused, because it was recently flooded and was unsuitable to teach in. Note how there look to be flood marks on the walls.) Now let's talk about "The Roaring". What's going to be a huge event in the proper Deltarune game, "Fountains of Darkness" will spew over everything. That could refer to water blasting out of holes and flooding the basement and potentially the town. The Dark Worlders will turn to statues (No one will be able to play with them) and the Light Worlders will be caught in a flood floating and swimming aimlessly. What would cause such a flood however? Well, there IS a big bunker south of the town that looks like it could lead UNDER the town. Under the town would probably the sewer systems which lead to various bodies of water. There could be some kind of construction project going down there and it's doing damage to the infrastructure of the town, which means if it's not stopped the whole town could flood in a huge ROAR of water. They say the "Titans" will be the ones to bring the "Roaring". Who would the Light World equivalent of the Titans be? Jevil is a playing card, Spamton NEO might have been a paper printout, Queen was a laptop, the "Titans" must have a Light World equivalent too if the Dark World is mostly pretend. (Right down to Kris acting weird at night or when water is running) Well who would benefit from a waterway construction project? The way I view it, Ralsei only knows what Kris knows. So that means Kris must have knowledge of what the roaring is. One prime suspect is Asgore, because he runs a flower business, and it's extremely close to the lake. (Makes sense, flowers need water) It doesn't get much traffic because it's so out of the way of the town center so he's not making much money and he may be planning to use a new income stream (heh) to impress Toriel so he can hang with his family more often. However, another suspect, one we haven't seen but Kris DOES know, would be Noelle's mother. She's in charge of the town, so she would have access to the bunker and Kris has either met Noelle's mother or has heard about her from Noelle. There you go, a good couple extra notes to add onto the supply closet theory.
I always saw the weird wiggling things in the beginning ??? area to look like those spring door stoppers you'd find from time to time in (usually) older houses.
I mean... It almost seems like new darkworlds are connected by the basement darkworld where the town is. As long as the shcool basement remains a dark world the new worlds seem to kinda merge with them... which would also explain ralsei being able to go from place to place.
Fully random theory that hit while watching this at 4am. I'd like to call it the trauma coping method theory😅 Everyone keeps trying to potentially make Kris some sort of Flowey/Chara new chapter bad guy but just a random thought. Kris was over shadowed constantly by his brother, the dialog in the lightner world makes that abundantly clear consistently. When Asreal left for college and their parents broke up Kris was left alone to pick up the pieces of their life. What if they created the dark world as an escape, sort of like how trauma victim’s minds will escape or depersonalize the real world in order to cope. Susie may have been a bully to them, but she was probably one of the few people to show Kris any sort of attention that was solely based on them and their existence within the town. Kris invited Susie into the dark world. "See me and what I can create. This is who I am and what I'm capable of." In doing that and having Susie show interest and even have fun Kris decided to lock up their 'betraying heart' Because they were seen, and sometimes the heart will trying and lead us away from that joy, better to lock it up so we can hold on to what we have. But at the end of chapter 2 when toriel invited Susie in, why was another dark fountain created? One of two ideas come to mind, but the one that I'm leaning towards the most is that...Kris found peace in the places where these dark worlds existed, in the abandoned classroom with the toys, where there was no comparison to their brother, in the computer lab where Noel and them would study and do homework together, and at home, where Mom is. With Susie and Toriel there together, "let's create a fountain here so that the people who see me for me can be a part of my beautifully dark world" Because after all, why not? (Also random side thought, what if in order to create the dark fountain removing the soul/heart is necessary somehow? Like Kris needs to be an empty vessel in order to harness that power. I remember a theory that Kris's soul is the fused souls of Asriel and Chara, or potentially the player themself. Could removing the heart be an act of free will in order to create these fountains? We as the theorists/players know the consequences of creating too many dark fountains. But Kris wants...no needs these places to exist. They habe to have the heart in order to enter it, but in order to create it the heart and will of the player must be removed?) Holy crap that got rambly I need to get to sleep🤣🤣
And if it is that then it would explain why the bad place gets removed upon second arrival because the bad area mainly reflects kris's depression like state and after sharing it with others and having a friend kris feels better and doesent find a need to ever bring it back.
i really like how you put your own animation in some of your videos as well as your edits over clips showing the theory. It really feels like its own thing.
Hey Hey Theory Time :] Papy's theme has been used in every Undertale trailer except for Deltarune. he's the only Undertale main character (other than Frisk, Chara, and Flowey of course but they probably won't ever appear-) to not appear in Deltarune. Goner Kid, a fun event NPC says "Have you ever thought about a world where everything is exactly the same... but you don't exist? Everything functions perfectly without you... Ha ha... the thought terrifies me." PAPYRUS'S CHECK MENU: *Papyrus- ATK 3 DEF 3 *Forgettable. WHAT IF PAPYRUS DOESN'T EXIST IN DELTARUNE. That will make us all question who Sans's brother is if that's true then, but when you think about it, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT STANDS IN THE WAY OF THIS THEORY, goodbye-
Excellent video! :) I'll just list my thoughts. The connections that the festival, the beginning area with the eyes similar to the Titans, and the secret bosses all have with each other is very interesting. I'm beginning to think that the Roaring will occur during the festival. And you pointed out a connection that Ralsei shares with Jevil and Spamton. I personally think Ralsei is a shadow crystal holder. Something I do want to note is that Ralsei and Gaster have connections with the Devil. Gaster is affiliated with the number "6", and there was unused Undertale text that said "HE IS DemonX". Ralsei is also the "Prince of Darkness", which I believe is a name for Satan. Ralsei also wants Kris, Susie, and himself to banish the Angel's Heaven. Meanwhile, Noelle has numerous connections with the Angel. I mean she is literally called "Angel" by Spamton, she wars the ThornRing in the Weird Route, and is depicted as Christ in one scene in the Normal Route. Jevil and Spamton also fit into the holy and unholy theming. Jevil, Devil. Jevil also says "MY HEART GOES OUT TO ALL YOU SINNERS". While Spamton seems to resemble a fallen Angel, and his dream is to reach heaven with Kris. Spamton views Jevil as a "rival", which is interesting. Ralsei also tries to make Kris forget about the Spamton NEO fight, but not Jevil's fight. I personally think there will be a conflict between Ralsei and Noelle in the future. Could be over the Angel's Heaven, or the Roaring. I personally think holiness in Deltarune represents freedom, while unholiness represents control. I know I made a lot of claims there. So I'll end it with saying that I love your videos! :)
I like the idea that the roaring happened in the closet before we enter which is why there are breathing dust remains everythings broken and bleeding and eyes, and why ralsei is the only darkener in his fountain
I have a crazy hunch that Undertale is actually a dark world based on Asriel's game. Remember, there was a "poorly drawn game design" on his computer that has a "final boss" with a "creature with giant rainbow wings. Most probably just a reference and doesn't mean anything important.
23:57 =D Congratulations on fixing your monetization issues; Really nice video, it made my day better, I can see editing quality keeps getting higher! =D
18:45 - I think the "backstory before the fountains" inconsistency can be explained by a loose paraphrasing of a conversation from Terry Pratchett's "soul music": "Was dat shop always dere?" "Yeah, it's always been there." "Yeh..." "..." "But was i' always dere yesterday?"
Nice video, just one tiny detail. While, indeed, Sans never mentions his brother by name, we know for sure that Papyrus is present in Deltarune. In CONTACT, near the end of the vessel creation, you are to name your GONER. If you name it after a pre-existing character in the game, the voice will say "AN INTERESTING COINCIDENCE." If you name the creator one of these names, the voice will say "HOW INTERESTING." What are these names? "QC," "SANS," "UNDYNE," "TORIEL," "ASRIEL," "ASGORE," "JOCKINGTON," "GERSON," "BRATTY," "ALPHYS," "BERDLY," "CATTI," "CATTY," and, of course, "PAPYRUS."
Here's a theory you can steal for part of a video "Rudy can only be saved by Snowgrave" I believe that in snowgrave noelle will become strong enough to use her healing magic to save her father here's how I see it playing out. In the normal route Rudy dies right infront of noelle I don't know why but I think this will happen in the church (it just makes for a sad visual in my opinion) but in snowgrave she is "strong" enough to use her powers in the light world and heals him making our grip on her iron clad. How did I come to this conclusion? Notice in the graveyard there is a space for another grave in the center, in snowgrave you kill berdly meaning we if Rudy dies in a snowgrave route we'd have 2 dead lightners and 1 grave that math doesn't check out XP meaning that if I'm right in a snowgrave route that spot will be for berdly and in a normal route it'll be Rudy's
11:02 now thinking about it, I think they might be those wobbly things you see that block doors from hitting the wall? idk why they'd have spores, just a guess
I think the motif from 11:49 sounds a bit like man.ogg or maybe the unused Fountain theme. Maybe overspeculation but it would be very,very interesting if true. (On second thought they are probably different but oh well)
there's a theory that the knight and the guy making the secret bosses go crazy are different, or even that the guy that made jevil crazy and spamtong kneeo crazy are different
Old video but I want to say that the idea of a carnival as a last level said in 20:52 is fantastic and I can see it happening as a "finishing the story about a dark world as turning it in a fast-paced colourful carnaval almost in chaos"
11:27 Hey! That sounds like one of Nabstablook's themes when reversed! It's missing a few beats though. Edit: it sounds a little bit like Spooktune, on a relisten it's a bit of a stretch. Edit edit: The unreversed motif sounds like the first motif of Spooktune, while the reversed motif sounds like the second motif of Spooktune.
I got a kick out of you having the characters of this franchise respond to your words. Also, I completely forgot about that "manual" hidden within the "unused" data of the game. Ralsei is so adorable btw! ^^ I love him.
I really like this ongoing theme of "out-of-bounds", and existing in the space beyond without being able to interact with the inside. I'm really excited for what's to come!
8:29 It's most fitting for it to be Mike than Papyrus, the knight, gaster, whoever else. Only other person associated with sales and being a big shot. More interesting is those useless emails that were printed out and the person who tried to log in to their email before the dark world was opened. (If you don't defeat Spamton, the computer closest to the recycle bin won't be a blue screen. It'll be an attempted email login screen -- "Someone tried to check their email, but the Internet is down."). Could this be whoever contacted Spamton, cut off from 'contact' with him because the internet went down?
I wouldn't be surprised if The Closet is an endgame area, just for it's resemblance The Cave of the Past from Earthbound (which is the final area in the game before fighting Giygas), and it would be extremely weird to make it resemble that area and NOT do anything with it.
It just occurred to me that I enjoy rewatching your videos. For a channel about lore theories and dialouge from a machine, that's an achievement in my book.
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Aw crap I misspelled Salticibread's name at 12:19. Sorry!
FAQ:
Q: Wait where did you get the broom sprite? And the bread?
A: Chrono Trigger (mop sword) and Kirby Superstar
Q: What was wrong with your channel name?
A: There's uh... racial implications baked in that name which I... don't feel qualified to unpack or bare. So I'm Bread now.
Q: What about Ralsie's weird castle? And it's basement? And the doors?
A: Too much to get into, the video is already 25 minutes. Ralsie's castle overlaps somewhat with another future topic so I'm saving it for that.
Q: Why do you keep calling those dust piles? Couldn't they be soap-suds, chalk, baking soda, etc?
A: Oopsie-doopsie! I forgot to mention it but those piles are labeled "dustpile.png" by the sprite names, so they are actually probably dust.
Q: Why wasn't my positive comment in the Ending?
A: Software/Hardware limitations. Shotcut starts crying when there's a lot of layers, and animated layers are even worse. It crashed several times making the maps from 2:20, because those are all separate layers instead of one big image.
I just learned about keyframes and don't quite know what I'm doing with them yet so, about 20ish comments was about all I had in me. I promise your comment still fills me with Determination even if I don't find a way to include it in a video. Thank you for your support everyone.
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do you have any thoughts on the recurring concept of inverted colours
examples i can think of:
- the red and purple areas in chapter one have inverted colours (if you invert them they look like normal green fields and trees)
- kris is blue, which is the colour human skin tends to look with inverted
- susie and lancer, when lying down getting fanned together, mention they're getting a "reverse tan" where they get as pale as possible
- the puzzle in queen's mansion where you upstage berdly has a weird flavour text that mentions "these dark bulbs cast a bright shadow on the ground" or something
weird, right ?
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I am glad that the fact that Sans never specifies his brother's name jumps out for others.
same, i always thought it was important too
The deltarune steam page says "meet familiar characters like sans, toriel... what? Papyrus? No, he's busy"
@@leedlelel2373 T-There is still hope! That description is accurate for chapters 1-2, BUT!! What if it changes later on!? We must hold on to our hopes and dreams!
Plot twist: Gaster and Papyrus have swapped places in the deltarune universe
It's gonna be Prunsel.
I kind of love the idea of Papyrus being responsible for some of the fountains, like the idea of this lonely guy with dreams of being a hero (and with no royal guard to project those dreams onto), shyly sneaking out after dark to create these worlds where he can be everything he wants to be. He's getting so caught up in the stories where he can be everything he has ever wanted to be that he doesn't realize the harm he's causing. It fits so nicely with the idea of the Dark Worlds as a means of escapism, and is such a fascinating way to explore Pap's character! Even though I'm extremely skeptical of the idea, I love it so much.
...Or maybe I just really really miss Papyrus.
This makes a lot of sense now that I think about it he would totally do something like this.
it would be a pretty good story since we know more of gaster than papyrus
Great I want this now,at least we have fanfic
@@Musicalquest "We know more about Gaster than Papyrus"
No we freaking don't?
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partially ture, when talking about undertale lore people always only talk about sans and gaster, and that in the longrun make people remember more thigs about W. D. Edgelord than about the great Papyrus
OH MY GOSH I JUST REALIZED:
The liquid is water. It’s reflecting the black sky. Water is found in those mop things in janitor closets.
The knight is clearly also the janitor of the school
@@robnarciso _sans?_
The liquid looks too thick to be water. From how the puddles at the bottom of wall-drips are shaped (good example: 4:13), i'd say it's about the consistency of something like honey, tar or thick epoxy - not water, as the puddles are clearly not flat, jutting out of the ground.
Although on another note it could just be that we're shrunk in the Dark World and each puddle is just, like, one or two drops of water, which _would_ be kept together by surface tension.
I thought it might be mold, y’know? looks kinda run down. Maybe a water pipe burst in the closet and waterlogged the room, and it never got repaired. Also the pillars might be the chalk that they were supposed to get and the puff things are dust/chalk dust.
@@elecstorm3701 Indeed it may not have the consistency of actual water, but you have to remember there in another world where playing cards can become people. we haven't seen what water would look like, if it's not the black stuff, so who knows what might happen to water if it enters the dark world
I personally always saw the LEFT closet in the Computer Lab to be the Queen's Castle,for the specfic fact that its "large enough to fit a person".
Guess what fits in Queen's entire castle?
_A giant humanoid robot_
This makes alot of sense
The fact that there are so many possibilities for the closet - where the knight hid before noelle and berdly arrived, where kris hides berdly’s body, queen’s mansion - is just a testament to the amazing writing in this game
I mean that is what i originally thought until people got the idea that we could stuff berdly in there in the weird route, and- er- the whole Knight hiding there thing as well
Plus the colored lights in there are literally blue, red, and white. Yknow. The same as Queen’s castle.
Or at least it could be wherever we fight Queen during the Punch-Out segment
I’ve always thought that the borders of deltarune are the darkness that Spamton talks about. On the switch version you can have dynamic borders that change depending on what area you’re at. When you go fight Spamton the borders turn black. And looking at them while Spamton says “it’s still so dark” makes me feel like it has a second meaning
The borders always turn black when youre fighting a boss i believe
The darkness hes talking about is that hes still in a dark world "ITS STILL SO DARK", but he wants to go be in the light world, but unfortunately for him a body made by a lightner didnt help with that, thats what "heaven" is to him, for him to he actually "real" yet it was never possible, his set path doesnt ever make him something more than a secret boss, nothing more than a puppet
@@leedlelel2373 I actually never heard him say he wanted to be a Lightner... but instead, to be REAL.
I'm pretty sure all the Dark World characters know that they're objects in the Light World. Seam talks about their cotton stuffing & knows they're in such poor condition they might get thrown away. Queen gleefuly identifies herself as a computer. Pretty sure there are other cases too.
It's not knowing they're Light World objects that drove Jevil to start harming others & Spamton to obsessively strive for freedom.... It's knowing that they're just NPCs in a video game. Just code & scripts.
"IT'S ALL A GAME, A GAME!"
If Jevil kills the other Darkners, or even the Lightners, it doesn't matter, they're all just lines of code, there for the whims of higher beings, to play & then abandon.
& it was the Heart-Shaped Object that Spamton wanted... that is, US. We, the player.
Spamton wanted to leave the game altogether. To be truly REAL, like you & me. But, that's impossible. So that's why his dream could never come true.
& that's why Spamton addressed all three main characters (not just Kris) when talking about breaking their own strings. Because they, too, are enslaved by "strings" of code.
That's why Ralsei didn't want to think about it... Didn't want Kris or Susie to think about it. Doesn't want anyone there confronting the fact that NONE of them are real.
Even the Lightners, are virtual Darkners to us! 😶
Maybe WE are the Titans. & the Roaring, & the Angel's Heaven, has something to do with US, in some way... 😶🌫
@@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her after this words I just realized...
What if The Roaring is the game reset, or game deleting after the full walkthrough, but integrated into the story? That's looks like the idea of The Restart thing that me and my friends created for our Role play. That's the devastation of the already existing world, with destroying and killing everything it have, but then it all get rebuilt again, just like there is nothing happened. The Roaring can be the same thing, but... Without the rebuilding part. If it's really just the simple reset of the game, then it destroys the existing world, and just restore it into the same thing as it was from the beginning. But if that's the deletion of the game... Well, I don't have any idea about this concept, unfortunately.
But that thing really very similar to The Restart, created in our Role play. And that's... Interesting...
@@ГотаБГ Yeah... I think the single ending Toby alludes to is the fact that, inevitably, the game will end. We will stop playing. And it'll basically be the end of the world for the characters.
The Delta Warriors are said to come together to banish the Angel's Heaven, but only AFTER the world had already been devastated. They won't prevent it. They can only make SOMETHING happen afterwards, & we don't know what yet.
Maybe create a way for them to live on? Maybe a symbolism for them all living on in our hearts, or in our fan works? Because in some way, that IS what we do, when we love a fictional story strongly enough...
...Maybe like the story of the Velveteen Rabbit: Our love makes them real. 🥲
The borders are also present on PS4, so probably they're on every console version (wait, doesn't deltarune only have 2 console versions?)
something interesting about the "eyes blinded by darkness" is the fact that theres a number of characters that have eyes or pupils that are hidden from us. kris and seam being the most obvious here but even susie when we first meet her also has hair covering her eyes at first. its not til the end of chapter 1 that susie's eyes are revealed to us. i dont think thats an unimportant detail
Another one was the lil mushroom fella in temmie village in UT...
I wonder if that may tie into why Kris and Susie seem to be the only ones who acknowledge Ralsei's existence more than others. If Ralsei originates from his Grand Fountain, does that in turn mean he's made from purer Darkness than other Darkners? And if so, what does that mean about Kris and Susie? That they can somehow perceive stronger forms of Darkness than others can?
Same goes for ralsei
hold on. susie's eyes are revealed after she agrees to follow the player's requests. "only eyes blinded by darkness can see the way." how did seam get one eye *torn out* and is the other (which looks similar to the "everyone" face flowey makes) original or a replacement? both of mystery man's gashes protrude from the eyes. "you lost it when you tried to see too far." if seam, blinded by darkness, can "see the way" (as in, has mysterious knowledge about the crystal holders), then can kris see the way too? and why does the glass item distort vision?
By contrast the ONLY part of ch1 Ralsei you can see are his eyes.
I really like hte idea that some of these areas are meant to be "out of bounds". Theres a bit more of that in the place where you fight Spamton NEO, because in the basement area it seems like the darkness around the rooms is meant to be solid walls, but then it isn't. The teacups just kind of appear in the black space next to the room, and at the beginning of the fight the tracks extend out into the dark space that looked like a wall.
Also both Jevil and Spamton talk about freedom, so it's worth considering that these are OPTIONAL bosses, you have the FREEDOM to fight them or just go along with the normal story. And when you fight Spamton in snowgrave he says "you don't need me anymore", which could be because you found a way to break from the normal story without his sidequest.
In chapter 1 Ralsei says that the adventure the three heroes will go on is foretold exactly by the prophecy, so if all of this stuff is kind of "ouiside" of the game and the game's story, then it is also going against the prophecy.
On an unrelated note, the Jevil line about us being the ones who are not free is actually a bit of wordplay, Ralsei says "you are clearly the one behind bars", and Jevil says "doesn't seem so from here" because when jevil looks at the bars he sees you behind them, so he is always technically correct without any weirdness going on at all.
These areas with the secret bosses appear to be “out of bounds”. And the theme about “freedom” hmmmmm
and the way spamton neo's fight takes place on a railroad, and you can ride along the railroad technically for FOREVER and never reach an end... just like how out of bounds areas technically go on forever in vast expanses of repeating textures. like the backdrop to his fight, a blank city
also on the topic of jevil living in freedom, it's true. when you walk thru that door, the only way out is to either die and reset your progress or defeat him, making a choice on which reward you get. you never get that type of freedom anywhere else. even when you open the door, you can walk away and not making any meaningful consequential choice. he DOES live in freedom, and thru his path is the only way to find your own.
And I think the line regarding "locking up their entire race" could be a further play on that concept. A fence technically surrounds everything except the part in the middle as well.
Queen says that she's worried about noelle clipping into a wall somewhere, so its likely that out of bounds areas are a common thing in the dark worlds
the closet dark world is special because its a storage closet and isnt limited to the limitations of a dark world like the computer room you can store everything in a storage closet and that is also why the fountain is made of pure darkness
How Darkeners transcend time ie, how they seem like they can have detailed backstories even if they are objects in the light world is in my opinion a form of last Thursdayism. The idea is the universe could have been created last Thursday, including all your memories of the days before, and you don't know it.
Exactly!, i thought i was the only one thinking the dark world was like the "everything was last Thursday" theory.
but maybe darkners history is made before the fontune, like if an objects was moved between rooms it will remember that as a darkner (but maybe more dramatized in their memory),
... but that just a hipothsis
i've still always found it weird either way how queen acts like she's been in [this dark world?] before the knight arrived and.. created it?
@@buchelaruzit Characters mention in both chapters how the final boss monarchs were nicer before the Knight came along.
I think created a fountain is like creating a portal between the light world and the dark world.
Didn’t spamton and the adisons say something along the lines of enticing Lightners? This would mean that they had a sort of life before the dark fountain was created, a real life purpose, which was to be an ad that grabs the attention of people. It could also be with what Cool Gamer said, the dark world is simply a separate place connected to real world objects, or put in a different way, it could be that the Dark Fountain warps the real life history of the objects into a dark variation, maybe it could also be that the objects experience a sort of secretive history that can’t be seen from the light world, since again, dark world could be a separate place where their dark forms and dark history are kept
Ehehehehe, you do have to beat Gaster off with a broom when theorising about this game. The idea of the unused classroom being where Gerson taught is an interesting one. The town is so small that I can see them not having a need to hire a replacement soon after his death, especially if he taught kids older than Kris's age group -- who we can assume to have all gone to college or into work in the mean time.
Toby in the ch1 fangamer stream said the drawing on the unused classroom is a drawing of gerson drawn by alvin
@@leedlelel2373 Yeah but it seems to be a storage room now, since there is no actual teaching material (even pre-scholars would need chairs, like the ones in Toriel's classroom)
My point is that it does not reflect it's former function
Alvin un the graveyard says Alphys is the replacement for Gerson and Gerson is an anagram of Goners and Goners is related to Gaster and Alphys replace Gerson just like in Undertale Alphys replaced Gaster as the royal scientist. It could be that Gerson is somehow related to Gaster.
The magic glass you mentioned also has one more connection: the shadow crystal. It becomes glass in the light world, and could definitely be considered magical (it can show you the room the dark fountain is)
Congrats on getting monitized! I love listening to your half baked theories (bread joke), and so I’m glad I’ll get to watch more in the future! Good luck!
I actually misread this channel's name as "baked" till now 😅 oops
The interesting thing to point out with the idea that the secret bosses are becoming lonely because of their “freedom” is the line from the Spamton Sweepstakes about the corrupted egg pet, where it “left home due to happiness”. It seems like there’s an inherent loneliness being assigned to these beings who become “happy” or get everything they may have wanted. Jevil learned that his whole life was another game to play and got the power to play it, Spamton became a big shot, and Ralsei…? Ralsei became a prince and a prophecized hero, but was doomed to rule over an empty kingdom, and quite fittingly, Ralsei, like the other secret bosses, is directly aware of meta concepts and the soul.
I personally love your TTS content. It is very cool to see all the emotions you can convey with a monotone voice. Keep it up
Fun fact I just realized from playing earthbound recently: Jevils dialogue about how everyone else locked up their entire race is likely a reference to the underworld tenbas near the end of the game. They built several barricades around towns to protect themselves from dinosaurs, but one of them phrases it as them building a cage around the dinosaurs.
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always thought spamton neo's body looked like paper origami...
This idea could become a whole theory
I dont think queens basement is in the cabinet to the corner, swatch says the neo body was abandoned with the rest of the corrupted data (which would mean its not physical like you thought it was) and the closet where "a large person could fit inside" is a much more likely place to be the basement, since its "filled with old electronics" and you can see old electronics everywhere on the walls in the basement
It would also stick with jevil, if his basement actually takes place in the closet, which is to the left of the unused classroom, then it would make sense if spamtons basement, is in a closet to the left too
I also think queens mansion is actually just the laptop and queens just the motherboard, since she says her acid river is the mansions energy source and the swatchlings and swatch are ms paint swatches and tasque manager is literally a task manager (or maybe giga queen is the laptop which is why its in the middle of the mansion?)
But also, heres a fun fact, the basement face's files are for whatever reason put in with the GONERMAKER's (the vessel creation) and is labeled "DEVICE_FRIEND" just like how the choices in the vessel creator are labeled "DEVICE_NAMER", "DEVICE_APPEARANCE" etc.
Given that the Queen is Lancer's mother and tries to take on a motherly role with Noelle, her bed mg the motherboard checks out.
Kris straigh up takes Queen's whole mansion with him
I think the dust heaps represent literal dust, the tar represents some sort of ink. like ink cartridges or ink pods for pens. and the wobbly things are simply... I dunno...
Also saying the wobbly thing in the true lab is related to papyrus would also make all references to mus_smile also related to muffet. thats right, gaster isnt on the phone with spamton, its just muffet laughing in reverse (very slowly), as one does
Muffet's laugh isnt just her laugh, enemies in the core like astigmatism and madjick use it as well when you attack them, its more of a standard enemy laugh
I’d laugh my ass off if the big pillars turn out to be the chalk
_trying so hard to not go into the multiverse aspect of things when ink or dust are mentioned_
@@annsh.6487 Lol
The wobbly things are fungi, so I guess this is a pretty bad closet
I’d just like to take a moment to say I adore your videos and the style of fun-loving speculation you bring, my absolute favorite part of games like this with tons of mysteries. All the work you put into this stuff does NOT go unnoticed, I’m sure piles of people love exactly what you do just as much.
Compliments over, time for my own stupid theory on what’s up with the closet! You mentioned the eyes looking like the ones on the titans in Ralsei’s explanation of the roaring and the piles of pulsating dust at the start of chapter 1, but you never really put them together. What I think is that the dark world in the supply closet is the remnants of some kind of previous roaring or a failed roaring that was stopped before it could escape the confines of that closet. The eyes on the wall, more than likely a sign of the titans. The black stuff oozing from all those holes, pure, crushing darkness that’s been around so long it’s settled in pools and caves. All those piles of dust that moan when you interact with them? They’re darkners that turned to stone and eroded into dust with their life force still trapped inside. That would leave the town empty of all life but Ralsei, who’s obviously some kind of exception to the rule for one reason or another. If so, that explain almost every questionable thing about the goat boy. He’s so aggressively friendly and comforting not because he’s JUST lonely, but because he saw everyone and everything around him die. He’s traumatized and putting up a happy face, probably having dealt with this horrible memory so long he’s numb to it and just wants to move on and help the heroes whenever they end up coming to him. That’s why he seems so disgruntled whenever someone (Susie) does something un-heroic or not part of a traditional fantasy narrative, and why he gets ESPECIALLY upset when Berdly tries to make a new dark fountain. The prophecy is all he has to look forward to.
TLDR: Your videos are awesome and so are you. The closet is the aftermath of a roaring that either happened such a long time ago the world just recovered, or it’s the aftermath of a failed roaring that only affected 1 area. Ralsei is such a weird guy because everyone he ever knew and loved has been dead for who knows how long and he really wants the adventure to go his way because the prophecy was the only thing he had to look forward to for the rest of his life.
agree!!
17:30 didn't we already know that the Neo body was just a drawing? According to this dialogue [ ruclips.net/video/X3Zv_qSyy2o/видео.html ] , a Lightner created it with Swatch (i.e. an illustration program like MS Paint), but it ended up in the basement... with the rest of the corrupted data. Maybe the basement of the mansion is supposed to be the laptop's Recycle Bin out something?
oh my god!! i JUST commented that if the neo body was a drawing then it might have been created by mettaton since he has the same one in undertale and also dreams of becoming famous and successful
You're probably my favorite theory crafter in the deltarune community, you seem to be always thinking of something bigger, and it amazes me!!! Glad that you're finally monetized, you deserve it!!
Now, on the topic of the first dark world. There's definitely something going on there, it's a place that doesn't seem to connect at all thematically with any other place, plus the eyes being connected to the titan means that something must have happened, perhaps a roaring, or something of the sort. Can't wait to see what Toby does with it!!
Papyrus is my favorite character, so idk how I feel about the theory of him being the knight... We have one rule in my two room household, and that is that we do not harm Papyrus.
Good rule.
I think it would be bad. Reducing the knight down to someone silly who just wanted friends and magical dark worlds seems like a lame conclusion to that arc. Should be someone at least a little more threatening, with better and less childish motivations... plus, Papyrus doesn't seem like the type to use a knife.
@@gianni50725 you just watering down papyrus as a character
@@victori4butter unless they entirely rewrite him in DR (which would suck) they're not
@@Cruxin you clearly don't really understand papyrus if you think that... what is this constant raising of sans and lowering of papyrus
i don't really have concrete theories about it, but onionsan's whole diatribe about the song of the sea might potentially be connected to shyren? years ago at this point, sans told us to look into shyren, and specifically her lower body (which is another monster, who's conspicuously missing in deltarune). shyren is also noted as "resting her voice" - implying she used it recently, and maybe even that she'll use it again.
It feels like Shyren was originally meant to be a more important character, instead of just a random enemy.
I think you accidentally figured something out.
The secret bosses are linked with carnevil rides, IE Jevil with merry-go-rounds and Spamton with roller coasters. It makes me wonder what the next secret boss's ride will be. Part of me thinks it will be either a Ferris wheel or a haunted house.
When you really think about it
The player is "out of bounds" compared to the game's characters
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If Jevil is referring to out of bounds areas then he’s still breaking the fourth wall, just not in the way you originally assumed.
I like more Gerson. He's the one who tells us the prophecy in Undertale and the closet Is where it has been told us in Deltarune
I know this is 1 year ago- but didn't Gerson died in Deltarune?
I'm so happy I've come across this channel.
I can't stop thinking about this:
Ralsei trying to gather everyone in his town feels... _too_ similar to how Flowey gathered every monster to become the absolute God of hyperdeath.
Sure, it can be just a parallel or a coincidence, but it's just stuck in my head for some reason.
Also yes, it is very interesting how loneliness connects the basements and Ralsei's world.
so theres some things i cant help but mention cause this videos got me thinking back, through many things, and some might just help:
so first off, japanese mythology: its worth noting the whole idea in general of the darkners is, quite obviously, HEAVILY based off japanese folklore's tsukomogami, and while im not well versed in the subject, i think i can safely say that you were right on them garnering experience while inanimate.
as for the closet, looking closely at appearances, it seems its just a regular, dusty, long unused cabinet: the cliffs are a dull, grayed brown, as if coated in dust, the little eyestalk guys that wiggle are probably very tiny bits of mold meaning water damage potentially, and the eyes themselves, i think are carvings on wood, or something of the sort: perhaps someone stored research on the roaring in there, as well? that would explain a lot about it, and ralsei too.
next, the going out of bounds, and abanonded theme park: due to the shape of doors in basement areas, i think all doors down there are mouseholes, which would also explain a lot more: a mousehole would lead you out of a room, into a space between rooms. between dark worlds. therefore, i think, perhaps, the secret bosses reflect something else in the building. perhaps, just maybe, theres some connection in the walls to the bunker: it would make sense, as electrical lines, sewer systems, theyre connected to one central point generally, right? so its not too far fetched to say that, either, theres some amusement park model or toy being hid in the walls or room for some reason, or theres one in the bunker, perhaps a model of the town during the fair in specific? theres a LOT this could be.
it would make sense if the basements were between dark worlds as each of the secret bosses foreshadow the next chapter, which no other npc really ever does
I love the mouse hole idea! That makes so much sense.
The blocks in the classroom are actually the keys you use to free Jevil.
Also, the glass things also appear first in the core in UNDERTALE.
You mean the out of bounds tiles? They really appeared naturally in the CORE? I just don't remember.
@@Estra_Estra yes, they did. On the pathway to So sorry for example.
You do go out of bounds there, technically.
Something I love about your videos is that not only do you go all out when forging these theories and turning them into something for us as the viewers to understand, but you also make it fun and entertaining. Not only that, but you tag back to what the audience might think, which sometimes you explain isn’t exactly the right answer and other times use it to help yourself out. You also connect back to other theories sometimes. You show us your thinking process, which to me has shown to be rerouted when there are things you thought were placed correctly that turn out not to be the right piece.
Through everything, you’re making little quips and jokes, whether it be through TTS, characters talking to each other or audience, or even you interacting with yourself from the future.
Just something that I wanted to say :)
i LOVE how your channel is growing.
also, the detail and care you put in these videos? FANTASTIC.
continue like this, you got this.
(but also do't overwork yourself and take care of your health, both mental AND physical)
I just started following your channel since your Goner Code video and I'm happy that you got monetization.
Believe me, your videos are so well done and filled with content that you deserved something by making them.
I actually recomended some of your videos, and I think this one deserves a recomendation too.
I wish you good luck, good health and good views! Thanks for the videos.
10:21 One of those little door-stopper springs you find on walls and that cats love playing with instantly comes to my mind
Honestly, I just kind of assumed the first part of the darkworld (meaning the creepy hills and ralsei’s kingdom) was entirely separate from the rest and didnt have any real world component, since ralsei describes it as the original or main dark fountain. The first darkworld starts by entering that big golden door, so I believe it’s separate from ralseis kingdom or “MyCastleWorld”. The entrance part has lots of connections to the prophecy and implications of the roaring happening before.
Something really interesting about the closet dark world / castle town is that if you use the shadow crystal there, nothing happens. It doesn't show you a light world counterpart or anything.
I love this channel so much, glad to see things are picking up!
Oh hi bread
Perhaps the closet is an empty room, and the Dark Fountain was created out of pure imagination/determination, hence it being made of "pure darkness".
I had already recognised the similarity between the closet and Sans' room in UNDERTALE, but there are more connections between the closet and our blue skeleton buddy than I realised. I've always thought the "prank across time and space" could be that Sans' prank on us is to reference something that we haven't experienced yet.
Papyrus, or whoever Sans' brother is in DELTARUNE, could definitely be the Roaring Knight. Perhaps he will wear a fedora too?
I hadn't noticed how the secret basements in both Chapters are almost like out-of-bounds areas before. Since Jevil's prison area looks similar to Castle Town, perhaps Card Castle as a whole once had a similar aesthetic?
I think that going back to the ?????? intro area in a future Chapter is very likely to happen, especially since it's so mysterious. It would be a great "Bookending" moment if that happened as one of the last parts of the last Chapter.
Oh frick wait if it was made of pure imagination what if the fountain kris created is actually a pure fountain and toriels house will be our second hub world
Idk stupid idea
@@leedlelel2373 Kris & Toriel's home has plenty of objects in it, though.
@@leedlelel2373 If the "pure darkness" thing is related to a storage closet being able to hold any kind of object, that would kind of make sense as pretty much anything could reasonably be in someone's house! I can't imagine them not sealing this one though.
Your writing is incredible and I am super psyched for everything you plan to make! I'm glad the RUclips nightmare seems to be finished as well. You deserve all of the naps.
8:50 these sprite animations are so cute and funny, please do more if time allows.
So Creepy Jingle plays when you talk to a little clown hidden away behind a magic door that seems to lead to a different world & he turns out to be a tough as nails optional boss who used to work for the king & is beaten by tiring him out. Yeah, I don't think that's a coincidence.
Is there another character like that?
@@plant7371 sans. he's optional since the route used to get to the sans fight is entirely optional and even discouraged, since in undertake the game pushes you to mostly aim for pacifist or at least neutral. Sans's room door seems magical, and he works for asgore or is at least implied to have at some point
Personally my first thought was that the start of the dark world with all the weird stuff was a manifestation of an unclean corner of the closet. The black stuff is slimy mold, the dust is moldy dust, basically a mold infested corner or area. But looking back all the puzzles don't add up, you're right. Absolutely huge stretch, but what if Papyrus went to the school as a kid and played in the closet, and wrote down puzzles before leaving them there when they moved, and they're now moving back into town...? I don't think I'm right but it was my first thought
Something interesting came to mind as I was watching. In chapter 1 the closet takes you to the cliffs... but in chapter 2, Kris and Susie are able to jump right into Castle town using the same closet, completely avoiding the cliffs section. What are your thoughts about that?
Woah good point. I'm more perplexed that I can just... leave the Closet any time I want to?
Why do we have to seal the dark fountains to leave all the other worlds, but not the closet? Are the other world's monarchs just jerks?
Could be. Or it could be that Ralsei has more control over the dark world than we realize. He's already been proven to be hiding insanely important information regarding the titans, so who knows what else he's hiding or how much influence he really has.
Not to mention the fact that he can just...travel to any dark world he wants?
Okay frick this if ralsie is the prince who's the king and queen? Is the green king (imprisoned) ralsie's dad?
@@somerandomguy4766 well there clearly isn't a king or queen, it's possible he just doesn't see himself as wise or important enough to be a ruler. ALSO, in UT Asriel is a Prince, never a King. And there are a ton of really obvious parallels between the two. It's possible (even likely) that Ralsei is a projection of Asriel since Kris misses him so much. (also the red horns headband bleached pink from time)
That song played backwards sounded not creepy, but… spooky.
Nabstablooks spooktune
3:35 I'm going to point out the computer only crashes if Spamton Neo was fought. As such that computer likely is the one to contain the Neo data and possibly the basement.
Citation? I tested all the PCs in the light world multiple times for multiple runs due to the rumors around Snowgrave, and found no evidence of this.
But I am human and capable of error so, if someone has footage of it, I'd like to update.
@@HalfBreadChaos Bluescreen definitely happens if you defeated Spamton Neo on a pacifist route, and I think generally doesn't if you skipped his fight.
another great video! alot of things to think about. you always bring up connections that id never realise or notice its really awesome
ill be honest one of the initial ideas i had about the closet it that it seemed like a kind of source of darkness? or maybe more specifically it seemed like a kind of Space Between. the darkness is unrefined, it literally is a sort of black goo, as well as the dust not being well formed, maybe thats what darkners are made of. we still dont fully understand how ralsei joined us in the computer lab, unless he has some secret teleportation magic, he must have traversed across something to get there, unless he just walked through a literal void of space i suppose. the background of the dark world closet is so vast its not that much of a stretch to say that it could eventually connect to other dark worlds right? chapter 1 was alot more straightforward seeing as ralseis world and lancers world was connected by the golden door which Literally represents a physical door in the light world.
if we do imagine that area as a sort of Space Between, it could also explain why the basement areas with jevil and spamton seem similar. we are on the outskirts of their respective kingdoms (or quite literally in the dark bottom corners of the light world rooms) so maybe the areas start to sort of break down/make less sense in the same way. even any 'monsters' in these areas are strange, the weird waving things and the dust clouds, the strange face and the lightning plugs, they seem to be alive in some way but are they really like any other darkners?? theyre environmental hazards but its just like theyre there to just be there, not like the dancers in the forest or the people driving in cars..
thats just one way it makes sense in my head, but there are still many assumptions you have to have for it to make sense.
and i agree that the way you first enter the dark world is weird (like why is it not yet transformed, and who closed the door) but maybe that strange way of entering could explain why you ended up in the outskirts, and once you enter the normal way (just jumping in) you spawn in front of ralseis castle instead.
Hm... you bring up a good point with the idea of a "space in between." We see Ralsie step out of bounds in the Spamton-Neo cutscene, and the "room in between" in Chapter 2 uses Chapter 1 assets.
@@HalfBreadChaos oh yeah, i feel like out of bounds is a great way to put it. out of bounds content in games tend to be super interesting: discarded/unused assets, past iterations of the game and secrets. if its deliberate on tobys part for the trees and the room in between to be like out of bounds areas (i mean i think its pretty likely seeing as you have to go past the visible tiles) i cant wait to see how he plays with those ideas in relation to deltarune (and lets be real gaster), like hes done with the gamecode hiding secrets and information in undertale!
@@HalfBreadChaos lancer also goes out of bounds for the sequence between the door and getting to the castle (which interestingly enough, is never visited again once you've accesed the castle, so it kinda works like the rooms in between)
Going out of bounds has been mentioned in game too
Queen worried that noelle would clip out of bounds somewhere, which may just be a joke but the city does have a lot of corrupted looking tiles, which could have something to due with the computers in the lab being old
@@DogsRNice queen searched up the backrooms lol
I totally agree with the idea that they were "alive" even before the fountain existed.
That's apparent when we see Sweet and Cap'n's dialogue... Why doesn't everyone notice
Okay I have a thought about this closet
I have a running theory that hometown has underground tunnels. It’s not uncommon for older buildings in towns in the US to have unused bomb shelters, and even for them to be connected by tunnels. There’s one under my old high school that connects to the middle school. It’s my explanation for how Ralsei gets to the library, and admittedly I’m mostly just running with this because I find the idea of secret tunnels connecting the school, the library, the church, city hall, and the bunker to be EXTREMELY compelling, but it would also explain everything weird about the closet.
Kris and Susie fall *down* when they go into the closet. What if that first dark world with the weird cliffs and dust and spores and unidentified black liquid is not actually in the closet but in a tunnel *under* the closet? It could also explain why they don’t get warped straight there as soon as they go through the door.
We went down into the one under my school while going over the Cold War in class, and the creepy exposed pipes, uneven bare concrete walls, strange damp spots, and dust definitely seem like the sort of environment that could create that dark world.
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For the recurring instances of going beyond the game borders, I interpreted Spamton's [HEAVEN] to be the blackness beyond the game borders.... and that being the reasons he wants to become bigger
0:25 Most likely, this moment was created simply for cinematography, or the light fell into the room and drove away the darkness a little.
So glad that you got monetized! I love so many cool deltarune theory channels but I think yours is my favorite, your ideas are interesting and the personality in your writing and editing brightens my day.
:D Comments like this brighten my day so, it all works out lol.
I don't know if anyone will end up reading this, a 2 year old video after all.
My theory regarding the closet fountain is that it's actually the bunker fountain. With all the connections between darkness and water, maybe this very old fountain had been shooting up for quite a long time, slowly eroding its ceiling, which eventually ground its way up through the closet, seeping through slightly and spilling out that darkness in the hall. We entered the closet, and the weight of two teenagers was enough to break what was left of the closet floor. This would also allow for a possible explanation of/expansion upon whatever ralsei is hiding, that being whatever, or whoever, is in the bunker, sealed right below castle town. In the basement, or perhaps dungeon, that we aren't allowed to access.
"Does Sans know something that we don't?" My dude, is the freakin' sky blue? XD
But seriously, I never even thought about some of these point you brought up. Sans being the school janitor would make a lot more sense than it should. And the carnival motif between Jevil and Spamton blew my mind. It makes me think that the Festival will be synonymous with the Roaring...
And Sans' line about meeting his brother when Asriel comes home... I'm starting to see some potential connections...
Considering people leave many trash and garbage after festivals, maybe.
Great job as always, but i have to disagree on the light World counterpart for queen's Mansion. Imo, it's obvious that queen's Mansion IS the Closet in the computer lab.
-If you check The cabinet, it says it's full of computer mouses and other backup stuff, which transform into mice in the darkworld. Cyber city has far more mice stuff than queen's mansion.
-Also, the Ferris wheel goes from left to right, and you take it from Noëlle's Room. To reach that Room, you go up, not left. So that means that most of what made queen's mansion would be on the left of the Room Aka that closet.
-the Closet IS full of electronics and what looks like data servers. According to swatch, the bassement IS where all the corrupted data is kept. That closet looks like the most appropriate place to store data.
Speaking of data, queen's rooms/prison cells are actually just a Big data center, think about it you have hundreds of rooms which are all seemingly filled with data about hometown's citizens. We might not be able to see what's in the cabinet, but according to the narration, there's nothing inside it that would be able to hold digital data
-Finally, don't forget that queen's mech is supposed to be standing in the middle if the palace until the final fight. How would it fit in a cabinet ?
However, it could fit no problem in the closet, and that's what the line "a huge person could easily fit inside" refers to. Not the knight (why/how would the narrator even know about this ?)
Fair enough, we still don't really know who the narrator is/what they know, or what the queen's mech was (as a real life counterpart) but I agree that the closet is just as plausible as the cabinet.
Huh.... *now I'm wondering why people in the dark world are so small compared to ordinary objects like playing cards. Is it based on importance (how much a lightner used the object) or perception (how the object looks to the lightner)?
@@HalfBreadChaos Thank you for your answer !
Yeah it would be nice if in later chapters, she had dialogues that would help us figure out what that mech was in the lightworld.
I don't know about their sizes, but something i'm pretty confident about now that we got ch2 IS that the more an object is important to a lightner, the more powerful the darkner born from that object becomes
-Queen is the laptop computer, described as the library's state of the art computer or smth, meaning its the most appealing to hometowners
-NEO is powerful because of Mettaton's hope (confirmed by swatch)
Perhaps Ralsei's unexpected powers or his status as prince of the dark Comes from the fact he's an object of unfathomable value ?
Then what would happen if we brought a deceased Monster's favorite object covered with their dust to a dark world ?
for some reason i think having to seal ralsie's fountain feels important because the big door behind the cauldron definitely leads to the fountain.
11:28 Wait a second. I know what this song is.
It's the second part of Spooktune. I had to relisten to confirm but yeah, that is DEFINITELY Spooktune- oh.... people already pointed it out.... Welp. Although now I'm wondering, is this the "old song from the sea" that Onion-San refers to? Onion and Napstablook *do* both live in Waterfall in Undertale, so maybe they are or were friends in Deltarune's timeline? Maybe it's just hard for Onion to remember due to how Napstablook is as a monster, being very quiet. Or maybe Onion's not *supposed* to remember...?
Admittedly, I'm not entirely sure. But it's definitely something to think about. Maybe there's more to Napstablook than we think?
i always thought the wobbly things at the beginning were spring doorstoppers. yknow the ones installed low on walls to stop the door from slamming into the wall, that you can pull back and they go boioioioiiing. maybe they represent the doorstopper on the entrance to the classroom, and the reason they soread 'spores' is because theyre dusty. obviosuly, wall-to-floor corners collect the most dust and spring doorstoppers can get caked in dust if a place isnt tidied up frequently.
I can't believe the effort behind all these videos! This is so amazing, you deserve a lot more views
11:32 that sounds a LOT like napstablooks theme in his house
I think Jevil does follow through on his promise to let us join him in his freedom through his boss fight - it's the only battle in Chapter 1 where the choice between using ACTs and attacking leads to tangibly different results. I'm not certain that that's the intended meaning anymore, since Chapter 2 introduces consequences for the two options in normal fights even if you didn't free Jevil, but it's an alternate interpretation to the room he's in having any special properties.
16:32 the "gash weaves down as if you cry" could be referring to gaster!
sorry if this has been mentioned before but yes
Long comment ahead:
Personally, I see the “closet dark world” as what happens when pure darkness, determination, with as little creativity as possible, combines, because there’s nothing there, no fun characters or even enemies to fight, it’s just those spores, which I think are those little springs that stop doors, is where all the creativity goes to.
When we go to castle town there’s nobody there because of the low amount of things and creativity there is, the only thing that can manifest is whatever Ralsei is, for all we know he’s just fond memories of Kris’ fun times with Asriel, nothing physical, allowing him to cross over to dark worlds so easily. Also, only when toys and other things that were brought to life with imagination made castle town more than the home of the dark fountain, made from the bonds you made with the toys, making castle town lively.
Hey you fixed the "they're/their" error in the TTS disclaimer! Thank you. Have some engagement because comments are good for the RUclips algorithm.
speaking of carnivals, you know what's in carnivals?
Clowns and scam prices.
Actually, in the steam description of the game, it says "Papyrus? Oh he''s busy" so paps is still called Papyrus
Here's something to add to your work and maybe add to what could be future events in the story.
The way I view the "school supply closet" in the game is as sort of a "Supply Basement". Where all the excess school resources are stored, since it's so dark and it's fairly expansive. It could be interpreted as a potential hidden hangout for Kris and Susie when school's not in session. (If the Dark Worlds can be explained as Kris and Susie playing pretend based on the layout of the room. Then we still need to explain what "Castle Town" would represent in relation to the Light World). It would also explain how Kris and Susie can bring Dark Worlders with them to Castle Town as the school wouldn't think random toys and computer parts would look out of place in a supply basement. Also, note that Kris and Susie need to jump down and float up to enter and exit Castle Town.
Let's talk about Onion-San.
Onion-San looks to be in a lake, a contained body of water. (Since a point about them from last game was that they wanted to be in a big body of water like the Ocean).
Onion-San in Chapter 2 mentions they heard "parts of a song under the water" like "deep". Either that lake is REALLY deep or its hinting at something is happening UNDER the lake. They also describe it as "someone auditioning for their band" and "they recognize the song from the ocean". Sounds that can be heard at the bottoms of the ocean could very well be the ground shifting like a tectonic plate which causes earthquakes and tsunamis. It may be a rumbling like the Earth is preparing some kind of flood.
According to the map of the town, the lake is just two squares above where the school is. So if there was some kind of rumbling or flood, it would first start disrupting places that are underground...like a basement. I view the dark fountains as somewhat literal, not fountains of darkness, but rather potentially a leaky pipe that's dropping water. Kris and Susie can be pretending this water can bring life to these inanimate objects. (This would also explain why there was an internet outage in Chapter 2, the "Dark World" was formed by an electrical outage due to a leaky pipe in computer lab. Also why the classroom in Chapter 1 is unused, because it was recently flooded and was unsuitable to teach in. Note how there look to be flood marks on the walls.)
Now let's talk about "The Roaring". What's going to be a huge event in the proper Deltarune game, "Fountains of Darkness" will spew over everything. That could refer to water blasting out of holes and flooding the basement and potentially the town. The Dark Worlders will turn to statues (No one will be able to play with them) and the Light Worlders will be caught in a flood floating and swimming aimlessly.
What would cause such a flood however? Well, there IS a big bunker south of the town that looks like it could lead UNDER the town. Under the town would probably the sewer systems which lead to various bodies of water. There could be some kind of construction project going down there and it's doing damage to the infrastructure of the town, which means if it's not stopped the whole town could flood in a huge ROAR of water.
They say the "Titans" will be the ones to bring the "Roaring". Who would the Light World equivalent of the Titans be? Jevil is a playing card, Spamton NEO might have been a paper printout, Queen was a laptop, the "Titans" must have a Light World equivalent too if the Dark World is mostly pretend. (Right down to Kris acting weird at night or when water is running)
Well who would benefit from a waterway construction project? The way I view it, Ralsei only knows what Kris knows. So that means Kris must have knowledge of what the roaring is. One prime suspect is Asgore, because he runs a flower business, and it's extremely close to the lake. (Makes sense, flowers need water) It doesn't get much traffic because it's so out of the way of the town center so he's not making much money and he may be planning to use a new income stream (heh) to impress Toriel so he can hang with his family more often.
However, another suspect, one we haven't seen but Kris DOES know, would be Noelle's mother. She's in charge of the town, so she would have access to the bunker and Kris has either met Noelle's mother or has heard about her from Noelle.
There you go, a good couple extra notes to add onto the supply closet theory.
I always saw the weird wiggling things in the beginning ??? area to look like those spring door stoppers you'd find from time to time in (usually) older houses.
I mean... It almost seems like new darkworlds are connected by the basement darkworld where the town is. As long as the shcool basement remains a dark world the new worlds seem to kinda merge with them... which would also explain ralsei being able to go from place to place.
Wow your number of subs has grown from more than 4 to at least more than 8 since then! Congrats on the good efforts homie 🤘🤘
Fully random theory that hit while watching this at 4am. I'd like to call it the trauma coping method theory😅
Everyone keeps trying to potentially make Kris some sort of Flowey/Chara new chapter bad guy but just a random thought. Kris was over shadowed constantly by his brother, the dialog in the lightner world makes that abundantly clear consistently. When Asreal left for college and their parents broke up Kris was left alone to pick up the pieces of their life. What if they created the dark world as an escape, sort of like how trauma victim’s minds will escape or depersonalize the real world in order to cope. Susie may have been a bully to them, but she was probably one of the few people to show Kris any sort of attention that was solely based on them and their existence within the town. Kris invited Susie into the dark world. "See me and what I can create. This is who I am and what I'm capable of." In doing that and having Susie show interest and even have fun Kris decided to lock up their 'betraying heart' Because they were seen, and sometimes the heart will trying and lead us away from that joy, better to lock it up so we can hold on to what we have.
But at the end of chapter 2 when toriel invited Susie in, why was another dark fountain created? One of two ideas come to mind, but the one that I'm leaning towards the most is that...Kris found peace in the places where these dark worlds existed, in the abandoned classroom with the toys, where there was no comparison to their brother, in the computer lab where Noel and them would study and do homework together, and at home, where Mom is.
With Susie and Toriel there together, "let's create a fountain here so that the people who see me for me can be a part of my beautifully dark world"
Because after all, why not?
(Also random side thought, what if in order to create the dark fountain removing the soul/heart is necessary somehow? Like Kris needs to be an empty vessel in order to harness that power. I remember a theory that Kris's soul is the fused souls of Asriel and Chara, or potentially the player themself. Could removing the heart be an act of free will in order to create these fountains? We as the theorists/players know the consequences of creating too many dark fountains. But Kris wants...no needs these places to exist. They habe to have the heart in order to enter it, but in order to create it the heart and will of the player must be removed?)
Holy crap that got rambly I need to get to sleep🤣🤣
And if it is that then it would explain why the bad place gets removed upon second arrival because the bad area mainly reflects kris's depression like state and after sharing it with others and having a friend kris feels better and doesent find a need to ever bring it back.
i really like how you put your own animation in some of your videos as well as your edits over clips showing the theory. It really feels like its own thing.
Hey Hey Theory Time :]
Papy's theme has been used in every Undertale trailer except for Deltarune. he's the only Undertale main character (other than Frisk, Chara, and Flowey of course but they probably won't ever appear-) to not appear in Deltarune. Goner Kid, a fun event NPC says "Have you ever thought about a world where everything is exactly the same... but you don't exist? Everything functions perfectly without you... Ha ha... the thought terrifies me." PAPYRUS'S CHECK MENU:
*Papyrus- ATK 3 DEF 3
*Forgettable.
WHAT IF PAPYRUS DOESN'T EXIST IN DELTARUNE.
That will make us all question who Sans's brother is if that's true then, but when you think about it, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT STANDS IN THE WAY OF THIS THEORY, goodbye-
I think those wiggly things from right after you first enter Lancers dark world are like, those springy doorstops.
Excellent video! :)
I'll just list my thoughts.
The connections that the festival, the beginning area with the eyes similar to the Titans, and the secret bosses all have with each other is very interesting.
I'm beginning to think that the Roaring will occur during the festival.
And you pointed out a connection that Ralsei shares with Jevil and Spamton. I personally think Ralsei is a shadow crystal holder.
Something I do want to note is that Ralsei and Gaster have connections with the Devil. Gaster is affiliated with the number "6", and there was unused Undertale text that said "HE IS DemonX". Ralsei is also the "Prince of Darkness", which I believe is a name for Satan. Ralsei also wants Kris, Susie, and himself to banish the Angel's Heaven. Meanwhile, Noelle has numerous connections with the Angel. I mean she is literally called "Angel" by Spamton, she wars the ThornRing in the Weird Route, and is depicted as Christ in one scene in the Normal Route.
Jevil and Spamton also fit into the holy and unholy theming. Jevil, Devil. Jevil also says "MY HEART GOES OUT TO ALL YOU SINNERS". While Spamton seems to resemble a fallen Angel, and his dream is to reach heaven with Kris. Spamton views Jevil as a "rival", which is interesting. Ralsei also tries to make Kris forget about the Spamton NEO fight, but not Jevil's fight. I personally think there will be a conflict between Ralsei and Noelle in the future. Could be over the Angel's Heaven, or the Roaring. I personally think holiness in Deltarune represents freedom, while unholiness represents control.
I know I made a lot of claims there. So I'll end it with saying that I love your videos! :)
I like the idea that the roaring happened in the closet before we enter which is why there are breathing dust remains everythings broken and bleeding and eyes, and why ralsei is the only darkener in his fountain
Deltarune, the only game that you can talk about a closet for 25 minutes
I have a crazy hunch that Undertale is actually a dark world based on Asriel's game. Remember, there was a "poorly drawn game design" on his computer that has a "final boss" with a "creature with giant rainbow wings. Most probably just a reference and doesn't mean anything important.
23:57 =D
Congratulations on fixing your monetization issues;
Really nice video, it made my day better, I can see editing quality keeps getting higher! =D
Also closet... They are stuck in the closet...
They need to come out _badumtss_
18:45 - I think the "backstory before the fountains" inconsistency can be explained by a loose paraphrasing of a conversation from Terry Pratchett's "soul music":
"Was dat shop always dere?"
"Yeah, it's always been there."
"Yeh..."
"..."
"But was i' always dere yesterday?"
Nice video, just one tiny detail.
While, indeed, Sans never mentions his brother by name, we know for sure that Papyrus is present in Deltarune.
In CONTACT, near the end of the vessel creation, you are to name your GONER.
If you name it after a pre-existing character in the game, the voice will say
"AN INTERESTING COINCIDENCE."
If you name the creator one of these names, the voice will say
"HOW INTERESTING."
What are these names?
"QC," "SANS," "UNDYNE," "TORIEL," "ASRIEL," "ASGORE," "JOCKINGTON," "GERSON," "BRATTY," "ALPHYS," "BERDLY," "CATTI," "CATTY," and, of course,
"PAPYRUS."
We also know about the 'trousle of bones' in the first chapter when going to the door of the other house.
Hell yeah! Enjoying your content bread, hella cool! Glad you're back and super glad you're not being kept down by monetization. Go get em tiger
Here's a theory you can steal for part of a video "Rudy can only be saved by Snowgrave" I believe that in snowgrave noelle will become strong enough to use her healing magic to save her father here's how I see it playing out. In the normal route Rudy dies right infront of noelle I don't know why but I think this will happen in the church (it just makes for a sad visual in my opinion) but in snowgrave she is "strong" enough to use her powers in the light world and heals him making our grip on her iron clad. How did I come to this conclusion? Notice in the graveyard there is a space for another grave in the center, in snowgrave you kill berdly meaning we if Rudy dies in a snowgrave route we'd have 2 dead lightners and 1 grave that math doesn't check out XP meaning that if I'm right in a snowgrave route that spot will be for berdly and in a normal route it'll be Rudy's
11:02 now thinking about it, I think they might be those wobbly things you see that block doors from hitting the wall? idk why they'd have spores, just a guess
I think the motif from 11:49 sounds a bit like man.ogg or maybe the unused Fountain theme. Maybe overspeculation but it would be very,very interesting if true. (On second thought they are probably different but oh well)
The name change and the bit at the end made me laugh way too hard. Good choice.
there's a theory that the knight and the guy making the secret bosses go crazy are different, or even that the guy that made jevil crazy and spamtong kneeo crazy are different
Old video but I want to say that the idea of a carnival as a last level said in 20:52 is fantastic and I can see it happening as a "finishing the story about a dark world as turning it in a fast-paced colourful carnaval almost in chaos"
12:33 I heard a bit of one of napstablooks themes, look into that?
Maybe their ghosts
Yeah
sounds like spooktune
Your videos are honestly amazing, i dont have enough vocabulary to express my gratitude, I wish you to stay well for the longest time
11:27 Hey! That sounds like one of Nabstablook's themes when reversed! It's missing a few beats though.
Edit: it sounds a little bit like Spooktune, on a relisten it's a bit of a stretch.
Edit edit: The unreversed motif sounds like the first motif of Spooktune, while the reversed motif sounds like the second motif of Spooktune.
that's exactly what i thought!
I got a kick out of you having the characters of this franchise respond to your words. Also, I completely forgot about that "manual" hidden within the "unused" data of the game. Ralsei is so adorable btw! ^^ I love him.
8:40 I genuinely laughed so hard.
I really like this ongoing theme of "out-of-bounds", and existing in the space beyond without being able to interact with the inside. I'm really excited for what's to come!
WOOOO monetized BAYBEE
wastes area are shelves, fungi are all based on a single springy door stop, castle is on floor. dust is chalk from the chalk they were sent for.
8:29
It's most fitting for it to be Mike than Papyrus, the knight, gaster, whoever else. Only other person associated with sales and being a big shot.
More interesting is those useless emails that were printed out and the person who tried to log in to their email before the dark world was opened. (If you don't defeat Spamton, the computer closest to the recycle bin won't be a blue screen. It'll be an attempted email login screen -- "Someone tried to check their email, but the Internet is down."). Could this be whoever contacted Spamton, cut off from 'contact' with him because the internet went down?
If you come back after defeating Spamton, he literally says "this used to be Spamton's room"
Congrats on the monetization! You earned it!
I wouldn't be surprised if The Closet is an endgame area, just for it's resemblance The Cave of the Past from Earthbound (which is the final area in the game before fighting Giygas), and it would be extremely weird to make it resemble that area and NOT do anything with it.
It just occurred to me that I enjoy rewatching your videos. For a channel about lore theories and dialouge from a machine, that's an achievement in my book.
11:55 well i see you have good taste in music of and justice for all is on the front of your music player
Oops! My dark secret has been revealed.