What did you guys think of Oswell E. Spencer and where would you rank him compared to the other Evil Characters in the Survival Horror Genre, Please let me know your thoughts down below. Also Feel free to let me know on which Character I should Cover Next on Episode 2 of Explaining Evil. Thank You Everyone and see you again soon!!!!
@@ramizshould Thank You and Yes, I had to take a break. Juggling between Working Full Time and Editing takes a long time. Anyway thank you for watching!!!
Spencer ranks at the very top of the characters since without him, none of the events take place. The man's twisted legacy of pain, suffering and death in the Resident Evil universe brought about by his psychopathic ambitions and delusions of godhood is on par with Palpatine's in the Star Wars universe. Hopefully you will cover Nicholai Ginovaef next, since he's still canonically alive and is the only antagonist in the history of RE to get away 100% scot free after outsmarting the heroes and villains both without even needing a mystery virus to use on himself to do it. We also know he was at least partly responsible for the proliferation of viral data in the Black Market during and after Umbrella's fall. He's a fascinating character who I always hoped there'd be more about, maybe with Carlos trying to track him down since Nicholai was effectively to Carlos what Wesker was to Chris.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I agree with u,in my opinion spencer is the mvp villain yes even more than wesker I said it,cause without spencer wesker wouldn't exist along with REs massive story,he deserves sucha big spotlight,I mean ya sure mother miranda inspired him bla bla but he did all the heavy lifting,it's like how reg park inspired Arnold Schwarzenegger bk in the day,yet who's on top? My point exactly tho it's a shame,woulda loved to see spencer as an actual villain boss I could fight not killed in some flashback
@@sherif956 I definitely did want to have the option to kill Spencer myself in game after all the misery he caused, but on another level I think it is more true to his character that he never took a viral or parasitic dose himself. The reason for this is Spencer wanted to be absolutely in control, he didn't want to be subject to anything and he realized that each of the viruses had two effects- namely either a highly unstable and fatal reaction or it would effect the mind. Both of these would have been in direct opposition to his ultimate goal. We see the wisdom of this in how every single person who took or was given the various viruses had unwanted side effects or lost themselves eventually-yes even Wesker as we saw his mental state devolve from coldly calculating and pragmatic before his resurrection to deranged megalomaniac with obsessive tendencies after that eventually got him killed. Spencer was smart enough to realize the viruses weren't perfected yet and he'd only take one once it was perfect.
Mold in Weker’s hands would be more preferable than Uroboros. At least with the mold, the Megamycete is still the core controlling everything and possessing the consciousness of its victims, so even death means your consciousness lives on with the others who have been infected. Uroboros would just be a series of hellish tentacle-laden biomasses absorbing anything and everything while a few people are able to essentially remain immortal through being infected.
I think Spencer knew better than to stay in the village, since the Four Great Families make it clear that they are subordinate to Miranda, whether they like it or not. Had he stayed, he would have eventually been at odds with her. Two people can't wear the same crown and Spencer would never agree to serve another. He was far more successful than Miranda ever was anyway and his legacy is so much more omnipresent than Miranda's Mold with her legacy being restricted to one small village and the incident with the Baker family before being wiped off the earth. Spencer's legacy however erased five major cities across the globe, created a viral black market arms race and led to the deaths of over eight million people with no end in sight. Miranda was nothing next to him.
You made an Excellent point in regards to the two possibly not being able to co exist. Also yes you made a great point that Spencer in the end did have a much wider influence and results compared to mother miranda.
@@HeYDeVuH It should also be noted for that even if he had stayed, he would have likely pursued the progenitor virus because the mold and cadou weren’t efficient enough for his plans of forcing human evolution. If he had gone back to Miranda after the destruction of raccoon city he might have attempted to use the mold with the T-virus to negate the worst qualities of both and enhance their best ones. Eveline would have been yet another bow in the catalog of the umbrella corporation. It’s ironic that each one of them had what the other desired but they never reached out to each other. Miranda could have given Spenser the immortality he craved and in return he could have created the perfect vessel for Eva with his vast resources, using his eugenics program. God only knows what horrors would have been unleashed if they had formed an alliance with each other let alone with Osmond Saddler of the Los Illuminados. One that would no doubt end in treachery from at least one of them if not all of them.
I think the whole connection between Spencer and Miranda was just stupid and came out of nowhere just to have resemblance with Resident evil which Village was definitely not.
@@windandcloudshadow158 Yes, it was clear that Spencer believed in eugenics and social darwinism even before Capcom added her in. He'd have still found the record of the Stairway to the Sun and gone down the same path without this retcon.
I wish none of that were cannon. The lore already a mess. They should just leave Umbrella,Spencer,Raccoon City, and Wesker alone completely in upcoming games before it gets even more ridiculous.
Spencer's letter to mother Miranda is actually quite nice, and makes a refreshing change to the regular gallery of back stabbing megalomaniac interactions.
The way I view it, He let Wesker know where he was because he either foolishly believed Wesker would help him, or more likely knowing his chance for immortality now gone, wanted to die at the hands of his own creation in a death that he had control over. As for the Mother Miranda stuff. Bear in mind that the the mold virus didn't always bear fruit. The four lords were the most successful of the experiments. Perhaps in his short time with her he saw what happens to those who aren't compatible with the codau and feared that he would become a shambling monster such as the lycans. It's probably the same reason why in his own desperation he didn't even consider prolonging his own life with the viruses he himself had access to, they would destroy his mind.
I do find it interesting how much loyalty this buttler had for Spencer. Makes me wonder if with all the twisted evil Spencer had, the one compassion he had was to make sure his butler was safe by firing him.
It’s kind of funny that out of all of the Resident Evil’s antagonists we never got Spencer in a boss fight. We got Birkin, Marcus, and even Wesker but we never got Spencer, the one who made all of our fun possible!
@@wickdaline8668 have you seen the ending to revelations 2 I'm trying to explain it as best I can during the game she talks about transferring minds to other bodies so at the end when berry takes natalia in I believe the transfer was already completed I could be wrong but that ending was pretty sinister an she gets like a smirk on her face too when reading the poem about the bird in the cage so I believe Alex is still alive I could be wrong
As much as I like the callback to Ozzy being a former student of Miranda, it does bring several issues about. One of which is: If Ozwell wanted to be immortal; studying that aspect of the Megamycete probably would've kept him hearty and hale for a long time. Look at Lady D and Miranda, I'm pretty sure The Duke owes some of his longevity to that as well. The only reasons I can think of for Spencer not capitalizing on it are: 1) Even getting a sample of the Mold would make Spencer beholden to Miranda, something someone with his ego and God complex could never tolerate for long. 2) He was dead set on Virology and Eugenics being the route to humanity's evolution; allowing himself to be dependent on a fungus based solution to aging was repugnant to him. 3) The mutations the Mold induces was too unpredictable; look at the 4 lords for an example of that, or the Baker family. Jack and Lucas probably got the best deal out of their infection, but look what happened to Marguerite. Look what happened to Moreau! 4) the obvious answer: whoever wrote that into the story didn't remember Spencer's words to Wesker before he was murdered; but that's an unsatisfying answer.
@@RawPower867 Aye; the only downside he really suffers from is him being beholden to Miranda. Though given how much Heisenberg hates her, that's probably the worst possible outcome for him.
I'm surprised Spencer didn't revisit the Mother Miranda and the megamyste, in the end. He knew the mold could retain the consciousness of people and be potentially brought back. Nearing death's door, she could become part of the mold and make a plan for umbrella to bring him later or create a new vessel for his consciousness.
Well, he was a prideful guy. And I'm sure he knew Miranda was insane and cared only for bringing her daughter back. He was a eugenist who wished to evolve the human race.
@@Sunny-kz1xv I never heard anything about re9 being the last mainline title, only that it will be the last mainline game with a number in it's title.
Wesker impaled Spencer in a similar fashion to how the Tyrant impaled him in RE1 - the creation killing its creator. Imagine if Spencer came back the same way Wesker came back as a superhuman.
9:19 Since Marcus experimented on loads of people including kids then just dumped their bodies he had it coming when Spencer, Wesker and William did the same to him.
Still feels bad for him cause we never see him do these things on the screen so all we see is just a old man bieng killed by his trusted students and losing his work
Who you think is more successful depends on your point of view. To the people saying we didn't need the retcon, I say why not? Without Miranda, Spencer never even believes one could gain immortality or change humans with an organism. He had to see it to believe it was possible. He wanted to change the world and in a way he did. While Miranda influence was on a much smaller scale. On the other hand, Miranda obtained what he never did: immortality. And she got her daughter back if only for a moment. Spencer died a feeble old man.
Exactly! I don't think it undermined his character at all! He had different/WAY more ambitious goals and he went about to accomplish them with a different pathogen. Like Miranda was his inspiration and it serves as a good explanation as to where all his mentality came from.
In my opinion Spencer is alot scarier than Miranda because he's just a normal guy while Miranda is a bioweapon and Spencer is responsible for millions of deaths
19:16 She only told him that to give him false hope because by then Alex had found a way to put her mind in other bodies so in her mind why would she give it to a dying old man who had manipulated and used her her whole life.
What I Love The Most About THIS STORYLINE... You Started From The Very Beginning When Ozwell Spencer Met Mother Miranda... And How He Discover " The Progenitor" The T-Virus In Africa... From Many Resident Evil Timelines I Have Seen You Are The Only One Who Went Back This Far... KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK 👏 👍
If only they did that if Resident Evil 4 had a different story that followed up from RE2 & 3, the fall of Umbrella and confronting Spencer. There was tension about taking down umbrella and they skipped over it.
I remember watching a theory that said that spencer is still alive. That by the point wesker went to see him he was already a "god" and was just toying with albert. Though the theory is based only on the hopes that capcom isn't stupid enough to have killed who is pretty much the starter of everything in a 2 minute cutscene
@@axelpellegrini2062 More likely he is killed off just like how it went in resident evil 5 and maybe whenever they reboot it again he have a much bigger role
@@Omar-ok7gd Yeah so far being safe, working in Healthcare really does take its toll on you. So I needed to be in a better space in mind before I started to upload again.
Here's hoping that Spencer is the main villain in resident evil 9. My theory is he survived Wesker killing him by having a dorrment mold strain from mother Miranda in his body
That would be a cool plot twist to have, to think this whole time his final form would be a combination of the Mold and a new version from the Progenitor Virus
You know what, I often thought having Spencer show up (in a younger version or not) would be an awesome concept. Clearly, in RE5 he was toying with Wesker, manipulating him to kill him. After all Spencer was truly the Palpatine of the entire franchise. Having him return would be a nice recall of the threat of Umbrella always covering everything.
@@HeYDeVuHu know theoritcally : it could work,since the mold apparently favored the genetics of european royalty,like the 4 lords and miranda possibly is a descendant of one of the ancient kings of the region hence why she reacted so favorably to the mold,i think its cause bk in the day,certain royal families adapted to the mold overtime they became super,and spencer IS european royalty,so he fits the bill,tho in this case if hes infected with the mold,he could become somethin like miranda,and b able to survive the deadly effects of progenitor post injection that hed evolve and even b able to create new life,given thts progenitors true power,honestly i wanna see tht happen,itd b a perfect ending to the main story if rumors are true tht 9 is the last main numbered entry
I’ve learned a lot about Spencer in this video. You’re right when you said if he would’ve stayed with Mother Miranda and achieved his goals. No telling how Resident Evil would’ve been like. I know Chris, Barry, Jill, Leon Claire and everyone else would’ve had Hell with him!
It's truly scary what would have happened if he used the Megamycete like Mother Miranda in conjunction with the progenitor Virus. Also glad to hear you learned a lot from the video
I always figured Spence predicted that Wesker was gonna kill him when they met again, I mean he pretty much knew every moment everyone took. Which it was the butler's letter that put me on that Idea. (Funny enough the only person Spencer had and liked was the Buttler) Which is why I think he knew there was A possibility that he was gonna die when he met with Wesker again, such A possibility that he fired his lifelong and trusted butler to make sure he wasn't there when everyone was massacred. In his case with getting older, I wonder why he never tried to take on Mirandas immortality, and then perfect his virus. (Which I know it was because they hadn't even come up with Village during RE5 lol)
I really appreciate you explaining the evil of Oswell E. Spencer, he is definitely one of the sickest men in video game history, you did a great job HeY DeVuH ✌️
Really enjoyed this, so well edited. 🙂 What I find most intriguing about Spence is before RE5 came out, after reading about him in RE1r I umaguned what I thought he'd look like then when RE5 came around what I imagined awas an exact match, no joke. Always wanted to see him in the RE1 dining room taking to George over a flame lit meal like in that comic thingy, lightening n thunder outside etc. Them chopsing some fine food n wine or whatever. Also Spencer wuth Marcus and Ashford, same kinda scene would be cool.
Played RE Village awhile ago, and it got me thinking: Spencer clearly knew that Miranda was an immortal being, so why didn't he just go back to her to ask for her help, even if it means swallowing his pride, just to obtain/borrow her powers of immortality so he can extend his lifespan to accomplish his own goals?
Miranda’s mold doesn’t work as intended, hence why she keeps experimenting after experimenting, no one know for sure if Spencer accepts mold then what will become of him. A cautious coward like him, won’t take that chance.
If Resident Evil stories ever run out in the future, the series should end with the remaining S.T.A.R.S members fight him in the ultimate final showdown with him as the final boss battle
Essentially the Origen of umbrellas is imperial era Europe….but now operates in USA. Explains how umbrella has such ties in Europe and all over the world
I've heard many people saying that Miranda started everything on the series, but that seems innacurate. She saved Spencer when he was young, and did inspire him. But he would eventually find the progenitor virus. He was always an ambitious guy with dreams of supremacy. So things would've happend with or without Miranda.
Spencer should’ve taken the mold in his declining days to buy him his time. He may find the mold unprogressive, but it could prolong life and perhaps restore youth.
Spencer could’ve stay and become immortal like Mother Meranda over time but he was too ambitious and wanted more and more. Being immortal would be great but becoming the ruler over all life is what he wanted. And the mold was powerful but the followers were imperfect to Spencer who wanted humans to be like Wesker and worship him. Spencer was too greedy and soon lost everything for a goal that was unreachable
Oswell Spencer may have founded Umbrella Corporation, but it was created by Mother Miranda with her experiments on the mold and the cadou and the symbol of the Four Lords.
I greatly admire and appreciate Edward E Spencer’s. He is a tragic hero humanity loves to hate. There is nothing inherently malicious about the likes of him. Only if his experiments actually worked he would have either received a Nobel prize or been able to create a new world.
You miss some information from the manga Resident evil Heavenly Island which had some lore to Spencer and Alex Wesker. Back when Spencer sent his support on research for Alex, he mentioned the research base of Alex is in an old military base in a South seas island. The island named is Sonido de Tortuga, in somewhere of Caribbean sea. Alex conducted her first experiment in there before betrayed Spencer and moved to Shein island of Baltic sea. This was before Resident evil 5 and Revelations 2.
I know it's not everyone's fav cup of tea, but what can you dig up on Simmons from re6? Thoroughly enjoyable doco you've put together as well, many thanks
I actually have something cooking up for his character. TBH though I wish we knew more about his background but I'll do my best to cover as much as I can
@@HeYDeVuH yeah I got a theory of my own with that, seeing as he was responsible for 'sanitising' Raccoon City, he no doubt was covering himself when he killed the president when he wanted to go public, and that whole neo umbrella deal Simmons probably made that all up under orders from 'The Family' but there just theory's going from the Intel on Resident Giraffe.. I mean 6, will look forward to what you research, till next take care
Ya know for being a "Genius" you'd think Spencer would asked Mother Miranda to explain everything about Megamycete so he could've used it to Live forever like her. 🤷🏿♂️
@@HeYDeVuH Too bad he left the village before that ever came to mind. But I'm guessing his own Hubris made him want to unlock all the secrets of The Megamycete on his own. 🤷🏿♂️
This man is THE textbook narcissist, sociopath, misanthrope and racist with the biggest god issue i've ever seen. He's also a very good example of money spoils the character. Too much ego and wealth without compassion and empathie. But even someone like him could not escape justice, when his own monster killed him.
Ironic how Spencer et al. wanted immortality via viruses/mold, but the people who ended up possessing such immortality are the people that fought him (e.g. the protagonists and supporting characters who were accidentally infected) Death Island all but confirms that Capcom is setting up these characters to be immortal thanks to viruses
It's ironic that he may not achieve immortality, but he'll be remembered in history as he and the others created a corrupted company that created B.O.W.s and caused the deaths of over 8 million people and despite their deaths, people carried on their work. Spencer and Miranda created a legacy that will continue for generations to come.
@@HeYDeVuH all that money, wealth, status, and everything he ever built wasn't enough for him. Being remembered for his crimes against humanity isn't the immortality he wanted.
Nah he had the potential to b THE tyrant boss of all tyrant bosses cause if u look at it symbolically wise : spencer was the tyrant of RE in terms of his whole persona,cruel,cold,evil,completely detached from humanity,calculating yet brutal af,all he needed was a virus in his body and he's good to go
Obviously The Spencer note to Miranda is a new addition to RE and connects dots. And many keep saying "well if he knew he was dying why wouldn't he reach out to Miranda?" Fair.....but who's to say he hasn't or didn't and we get that in a future game.
I love this. My only thing would be to include every encounter we know of. I would of liked to hear about the building of the Spencer mansion and the Trevor family. But awesome video dude, I hope you make shit ton of these
I won't lie, I kind of miss the old Resident evil zombies. I get that we do get enemies that are basically zombies but I kind of miss the ol T-virus outbreak in a large city with zombies eating human flesh etc. And I guess we did get a return to that in Resident Evil 6 with the whole zombies in a city but I kind of want to see what would happen if the T-virus made a return and was combined with the new virus's we got to make a whole new batch of zombies in a giant city much like Racoon city of though I would still like to see the zombies doing things like eating human flesh and the stuff we saw them do in Resident Evil 3 Remake because I just love when zombies are legit scary. Also as a side note, if I was Spencer I would probably freeze myself in a secure facility because yes, when you freeze your cells explode etc but like, in the RE universe where we have virus that can literally do anything, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a virus that can bring back corpses after being taken out of ice.
Yeah it's very nice to think about the old RE games and the slower pace zombie puzzle gameplays. You're right that they had a portion similar in RE6. I think Spencer could've benefitted from the Mold like Mother Miranda did because in the end he wanted immortality and Mother Miranda sis achieve that due to the Megamycete
Come to think about it : the only virus tht coulda saved spencer was T phobos;it requires a strong mentality not genetics,and I doubt a guy like spencer scares easy,all he'd need post injection is to feel just nuff fear that the virus spreads thru his whole body but nt so much he ODs and same time allow the V act process to revive him since phobos requires u to di3 1st before it activates ur superhuman powers (assuming ofc u got a hold of ur neoepenphrine by nt gettin too scared)
We saw Albert Wesker kill Spencer, but given his knowledge in Bio-Engineering, I Honestly think he'll be back. Someone who initially wanted Godhood don't go down that easily. 😒
That'd be interesting to have him back, though Spencer did admit that he had multiple organ failures by the time he saw Wesker, so unless if he could transfer his consciousness like Alex Wesker did, then it'd be interesting on how they'll have him come back in a future RE game
@@HeYDeVuH The butler could bring him back with the mold if he preserved his body. His loyalty is to big to even leave him dead and not fulfill his masters biggest wish.
Olwald E Spencer"I was meant to become a god" me"no....you were meant be become a corpse....just like everyone else...and the many that will be born after us and the others after that...end of story"
@HeY DeVuH pretty insane! It just seems like a terrible lapse of judgment. He knew Miranda was immortal, and could've used that for himself, even if his goal was to work with viruses.
@@HeYDeVuHofc he did,guy was a billionaire and an aristocrat,i mean his title was earl spencer,i mean he bought the best lawyers,best fake witnesses post RC to make the trial drag on before albert delievered the final blow to him and umbrella
He chased immortality in ultimately the ironic thing was that he had found it but it didn't rear its head until years after he had died in the form of Sherry.
No ur totally right,the actual marcus di3ed in 1988,the queen leech was evolved nuff tht whn it fed on marcus's brains it reached a point where it actually believed it was marcus revived thru divine intervention,hence why it looked kinda like jesus in its Young marcus form
It's funny how in Resident Evil 0, Spencer was depicted as a cold businessman without vision, who just wanted to make profit with the T-Virus. In the end, he had the same God complex as Marcus and Ashford.
What did you guys think of Oswell E. Spencer and where would you rank him compared to the other Evil Characters in the Survival Horror Genre, Please let me know your thoughts down below. Also Feel free to let me know on which Character I should Cover Next on Episode 2 of Explaining Evil. Thank You Everyone and see you again soon!!!!
Bro long time no see though how are you doing? as always awesome video cheers.
@@ramizshould Thank You and Yes, I had to take a break. Juggling between Working Full Time and Editing takes a long time. Anyway thank you for watching!!!
Spencer ranks at the very top of the characters since without him, none of the events take place. The man's twisted legacy of pain, suffering and death in the Resident Evil universe brought about by his psychopathic ambitions and delusions of godhood is on par with Palpatine's in the Star Wars universe.
Hopefully you will cover Nicholai Ginovaef next, since he's still canonically alive and is the only antagonist in the history of RE to get away 100% scot free after outsmarting the heroes and villains both without even needing a mystery virus to use on himself to do it. We also know he was at least partly responsible for the proliferation of viral data in the Black Market during and after Umbrella's fall. He's a fascinating character who I always hoped there'd be more about, maybe with Carlos trying to track him down since Nicholai was effectively to Carlos what Wesker was to Chris.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I agree with u,in my opinion spencer is the mvp villain yes even more than wesker I said it,cause without spencer wesker wouldn't exist along with REs massive story,he deserves sucha big spotlight,I mean ya sure mother miranda inspired him bla bla but he did all the heavy lifting,it's like how reg park inspired Arnold Schwarzenegger bk in the day,yet who's on top? My point exactly tho it's a shame,woulda loved to see spencer as an actual villain boss I could fight not killed in some flashback
@@sherif956 I definitely did want to have the option to kill Spencer myself in game after all the misery he caused, but on another level I think it is more true to his character that he never took a viral or parasitic dose himself.
The reason for this is Spencer wanted to be absolutely in control, he didn't want to be subject to anything and he realized that each of the viruses had two effects- namely either a highly unstable and fatal reaction or it would effect the mind. Both of these would have been in direct opposition to his ultimate goal.
We see the wisdom of this in how every single person who took or was given the various viruses had unwanted side effects or lost themselves eventually-yes even Wesker as we saw his mental state devolve from coldly calculating and pragmatic before his resurrection to deranged megalomaniac with obsessive tendencies after that eventually got him killed.
Spencer was smart enough to realize the viruses weren't perfected yet and he'd only take one once it was perfect.
The only good thing he did for humanity was never revealing the Mold to Wesker.
That's true, Imagine a combination of the Progenitor and Mold
I imagine if Wesker is alive he certainly knows now lmfao
Mold in Weker’s hands would be more preferable than Uroboros. At least with the mold, the Megamycete is still the core controlling everything and possessing the consciousness of its victims, so even death means your consciousness lives on with the others who have been infected. Uroboros would just be a series of hellish tentacle-laden biomasses absorbing anything and everything while a few people are able to essentially remain immortal through being infected.
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@@HeYDeVuH ....fuck... wesker would have been unstoppable...
I think Spencer knew better than to stay in the village, since the Four Great Families make it clear that they are subordinate to Miranda, whether they like it or not. Had he stayed, he would have eventually been at odds with her. Two people can't wear the same crown and Spencer would never agree to serve another. He was far more successful than Miranda ever was anyway and his legacy is so much more omnipresent than Miranda's Mold with her legacy being restricted to one small village and the incident with the Baker family before being wiped off the earth. Spencer's legacy however erased five major cities across the globe, created a viral black market arms race and led to the deaths of over eight million people with no end in sight. Miranda was nothing next to him.
You made an Excellent point in regards to the two possibly not being able to co exist. Also yes you made a great point that Spencer in the end did have a much wider influence and results compared to mother miranda.
@@HeYDeVuH It should also be noted for that even if he had stayed, he would have likely pursued the progenitor virus because the mold and cadou weren’t efficient enough for his plans of forcing human evolution. If he had gone back to Miranda after the destruction of raccoon city he might have attempted to use the mold with the T-virus to negate the worst qualities of both and enhance their best ones. Eveline would have been yet another bow in the catalog of the umbrella corporation.
It’s ironic that each one of them had what the other desired but they never reached out to each other. Miranda could have given Spenser the immortality he craved and in return he could have created the perfect vessel for Eva with his vast resources, using his eugenics program. God only knows what horrors would have been unleashed if they had formed an alliance with each other let alone with Osmond Saddler of the Los Illuminados. One that would no doubt end in treachery from at least one of them if not all of them.
I think the whole connection between Spencer and Miranda was just stupid and came out of nowhere just to have resemblance with Resident evil which Village was definitely not.
@@windandcloudshadow158 Yes, it was clear that Spencer believed in eugenics and social darwinism even before Capcom added her in. He'd have still found the record of the Stairway to the Sun and gone down the same path without this retcon.
I wish none of that were cannon. The lore already a mess. They should just leave Umbrella,Spencer,Raccoon City, and Wesker alone completely in upcoming games before it gets even more ridiculous.
Spencer's letter to mother Miranda is actually quite nice, and makes a refreshing change to the regular gallery of back stabbing megalomaniac interactions.
It shows a different side to him. For a second there I thought their relationship was much more than a student/mentor with the way he admired her
@@HeYDeVuH being a Japanese property, we are likely looking at a SEMPAI scenario.
@@madskillz808 senpai!!!???😂😂
I had a lot of senpai though my life so far.@@lavellelee5734
It's one of the few moments of altruism he has. That and his care for his butler Patrick when he entrusted him with the experiments.
The way I view it, He let Wesker know where he was because he either foolishly believed Wesker would help him, or more likely knowing his chance for immortality now gone, wanted to die at the hands of his own creation in a death that he had control over. As for the Mother Miranda stuff. Bear in mind that the the mold virus didn't always bear fruit. The four lords were the most successful of the experiments. Perhaps in his short time with her he saw what happens to those who aren't compatible with the codau and feared that he would become a shambling monster such as the lycans. It's probably the same reason why in his own desperation he didn't even consider prolonging his own life with the viruses he himself had access to, they would destroy his mind.
I know im over a year late but youre exactly right!
Makes great sense
I do find it interesting how much loyalty this buttler had for Spencer. Makes me wonder if with all the twisted evil Spencer had, the one compassion he had was to make sure his butler was safe by firing him.
I think so.
It’s kind of funny that out of all of the Resident Evil’s antagonists we never got Spencer in a boss fight. We got Birkin, Marcus, and even Wesker but we never got Spencer, the one who made all of our fun possible!
All who play god get what they deserve. Albert got it, Alex got it, and so did Spencer.
Very true, All of them had this insane Idea but in the end karma finally caught up to them
Kristopher wickline Alex ain't dead tho
@@lillydahm7209 How do you know?
@@wickdaline8668 have you seen the ending to revelations 2 I'm trying to explain it as best I can during the game she talks about transferring minds to other bodies so at the end when berry takes natalia in I believe the transfer was already completed I could be wrong but that ending was pretty sinister an she gets like a smirk on her face too when reading the poem about the bird in the cage so I believe Alex is still alive I could be wrong
@@lillydahm7209 I remember now. You could be right. You could be wrong.
As much as I like the callback to Ozzy being a former student of Miranda, it does bring several issues about. One of which is: If Ozwell wanted to be immortal; studying that aspect of the Megamycete probably would've kept him hearty and hale for a long time. Look at Lady D and Miranda, I'm pretty sure The Duke owes some of his longevity to that as well. The only reasons I can think of for Spencer not capitalizing on it are: 1) Even getting a sample of the Mold would make Spencer beholden to Miranda, something someone with his ego and God complex could never tolerate for long. 2) He was dead set on Virology and Eugenics being the route to humanity's evolution; allowing himself to be dependent on a fungus based solution to aging was repugnant to him. 3) The mutations the Mold induces was too unpredictable; look at the 4 lords for an example of that, or the Baker family. Jack and Lucas probably got the best deal out of their infection, but look what happened to Marguerite. Look what happened to Moreau! 4) the obvious answer: whoever wrote that into the story didn't remember Spencer's words to Wesker before he was murdered; but that's an unsatisfying answer.
Heisenberg got the best deal out of the mold. Awesome destructive powers with no loss of cognitive ability nor any changes to his appearance.
@@RawPower867 Aye; the only downside he really suffers from is him being beholden to Miranda. Though given how much Heisenberg hates her, that's probably the worst possible outcome for him.
I'm surprised Spencer didn't revisit the Mother Miranda and the megamyste, in the end. He knew the mold could retain the consciousness of people and be potentially brought back. Nearing death's door, she could become part of the mold and make a plan for umbrella to bring him later or create a new vessel for his consciousness.
Well, he was a prideful guy. And I'm sure he knew Miranda was insane and cared only for bringing her daughter back. He was a eugenist who wished to evolve the human race.
I bet you this is going to be the story of re9 ..as it's the final mainline re game I guess Spencer consciousness is there in the mold
Because the mold was never planned and only added into the story not too long ago
@@Sunny-kz1xv I never heard anything about re9 being the last mainline title, only that it will be the last mainline game with a number in it's title.
Wesker impaled Spencer in a similar fashion to how the Tyrant impaled him in RE1 - the creation killing its creator. Imagine if Spencer came back the same way Wesker came back as a superhuman.
9:19 Since Marcus experimented on loads of people including kids then just dumped their bodies he had it coming when Spencer, Wesker and William did the same to him.
Still feels bad for him cause we never see him do these things on the screen so all we see is just a old man bieng killed by his trusted students and losing his work
And Spencer was looking way before that of an excuse to get rid of Marcus.
They didn't intentionally experiment on Marcus. They just dumped his body in an irresponsible manner, and that arguably granted him immortality.
Who you think is more successful depends on your point of view. To the people saying we didn't need the retcon, I say why not? Without Miranda, Spencer never even believes one could gain immortality or change humans with an organism. He had to see it to believe it was possible. He wanted to change the world and in a way he did. While Miranda influence was on a much smaller scale. On the other hand, Miranda obtained what he never did: immortality. And she got her daughter back if only for a moment. Spencer died a feeble old man.
Exactly! I don't think it undermined his character at all! He had different/WAY more ambitious goals and he went about to accomplish them with a different pathogen. Like Miranda was his inspiration and it serves as a good explanation as to where all his mentality came from.
In my opinion Spencer is alot scarier than Miranda because he's just a normal guy while Miranda is a bioweapon and Spencer is responsible for millions of deaths
Exactly. And more terrifying is that people like Spencer are bound to exist.
@@allusive2903 no lo!, A lot of miranda like being exist too, people who are desperate in grief and will do anything for people they love
19:16 She only told him that to give him false hope because by then Alex had found a way to put her mind in other bodies so in her mind why would she give it to a dying old man who had manipulated and used her her whole life.
What I Love The Most About THIS STORYLINE... You Started From The Very Beginning When Ozwell Spencer Met Mother Miranda... And How He Discover " The Progenitor" The T-Virus In Africa... From Many Resident Evil Timelines I Have Seen You Are The Only One Who Went Back This Far... KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK 👏 👍
In my opinion, I think Spencer had the potential of becoming a tyrant boss.
True but makes you wonder why didn't he have anything else other than those traps and those reaper bow's ?
If only they did that if Resident Evil 4 had a different story that followed up from RE2 & 3, the fall of Umbrella and confronting Spencer. There was tension about taking down umbrella and they skipped over it.
Good idea but don't think Capcom doing anything with him
I remember watching a theory that said that spencer is still alive. That by the point wesker went to see him he was already a "god" and was just toying with albert. Though the theory is based only on the hopes that capcom isn't stupid enough to have killed who is pretty much the starter of everything in a 2 minute cutscene
@@axelpellegrini2062 More likely he is killed off just like how it went in resident evil 5 and maybe whenever they reboot it again he have a much bigger role
I’d like to see an episode about Alexia. Her belief of everyone being alive to serve her and her virus was always interesting..
Yes definitely!!!
She was way more evil than Spencer.
@@BalboaBaggins I don't think she was evil, just lacked empathy for everything except her brother.
2 months since your last vid ... glad your back , we missed you DeVuh
Thank You and yes it's been a while. Had to take a small break. Will be uploading regularly again.
@@HeYDeVuH glad to know your safe and doing well 😃
@@Omar-ok7gd Yeah so far being safe, working in Healthcare really does take its toll on you. So I needed to be in a better space in mind before I started to upload again.
“Resident Evil Village” is the place of the “Resident Evil” origins. Miranda’s village is the place where it all started.
Here's hoping that Spencer is the main villain in resident evil 9. My theory is he survived Wesker killing him by having a dorrment mold strain from mother Miranda in his body
That would be a cool plot twist to have, to think this whole time his final form would be a combination of the Mold and a new version from the Progenitor Virus
That would be a huge plot twist
You know what, I often thought having Spencer show up (in a younger version or not) would be an awesome concept. Clearly, in RE5 he was toying with Wesker, manipulating him to kill him. After all Spencer was truly the Palpatine of the entire franchise. Having him return would be a nice recall of the threat of Umbrella always covering everything.
He still has his butler who lived An died for him an he could be the successor to his campaign in a weird twist🤷🏾♂️
@@HeYDeVuHu know theoritcally : it could work,since the mold apparently favored the genetics of european royalty,like the 4 lords and miranda possibly is a descendant of one of the ancient kings of the region hence why she reacted so favorably to the mold,i think its cause bk in the day,certain royal families adapted to the mold overtime they became super,and spencer IS european royalty,so he fits the bill,tho in this case if hes infected with the mold,he could become somethin like miranda,and b able to survive the deadly effects of progenitor post injection that hed evolve and even b able to create new life,given thts progenitors true power,honestly i wanna see tht happen,itd b a perfect ending to the main story if rumors are true tht 9 is the last main numbered entry
A dark, mysterious genius man. Nice work with this video, can't wait for the next one.
I’ve learned a lot about Spencer in this video. You’re right when you said if he would’ve stayed with Mother Miranda and achieved his goals. No telling how Resident Evil would’ve been like. I know Chris, Barry, Jill, Leon Claire and everyone else would’ve had Hell with him!
It's truly scary what would have happened if he used the Megamycete like Mother Miranda in conjunction with the progenitor Virus. Also glad to hear you learned a lot from the video
I always figured Spence predicted that Wesker was gonna kill him when they met again, I mean he pretty much knew every moment everyone took. Which it was the butler's letter that put me on that Idea.
(Funny enough the only person Spencer had and liked was the Buttler)
Which is why I think he knew there was A possibility that he was gonna die when he met with Wesker again, such A possibility that he fired his lifelong and trusted butler to make sure he wasn't there when everyone was massacred.
In his case with getting older, I wonder why he never tried to take on Mirandas immortality, and then perfect his virus. (Which I know it was because they hadn't even come up with Village during RE5 lol)
You're not really bros if you aren't starting a company who's main, secret, goal is to play god via eugenics.
I really appreciate you explaining the evil of Oswell E. Spencer, he is definitely one of the sickest men in video game history, you did a great job HeY DeVuH ✌️
It upsets me that we was killed so fast I wish we could have got more of him he was almost a perfect villain
I hope we get to discover more lore about him in future Resident evil Games.
I have not kept up with the series in so long, it took a quick look up of who this guy was and holy crap; this man is a monster.
Finally! DeVuH back at it again explaining stuff. What a great day 💜
He sounds like my favorite sith lord and he acts the same way
He's Palpatine manipulating things in the background
4:48 I wonder if he was in the village before getting lost in the snow because he'd heard about the mould and wanted to find out more about it.
26:30 You can tell Patrick felt guilty for the experiments Spencer was telling him to do but was torn between duty and his conscience.
Really enjoyed this, so well edited. 🙂
What I find most intriguing about Spence is before RE5 came out, after reading about him in RE1r I umaguned what I thought he'd look like then when RE5 came around what I imagined awas an exact match, no joke.
Always wanted to see him in the RE1 dining room taking to George over a flame lit meal like in that comic thingy, lightening n thunder outside etc. Them chopsing some fine food n wine or whatever.
Also Spencer wuth Marcus and Ashford, same kinda scene would be cool.
the beginning of it all .
music starting and action
the show is about to start .
A truly loyal butler he had
Very true, he stuck with him till the end
1:20 Good Lord, that baby Chris in the photo 🙈🙈🙈😂😂😂
Played RE Village awhile ago, and it got me thinking: Spencer clearly knew that Miranda was an immortal being, so why didn't he just go back to her to ask for her help, even if it means swallowing his pride, just to obtain/borrow her powers of immortality so he can extend his lifespan to accomplish his own goals?
he was wanted by russian and american authorities since the Umbrella incident, and by Wesker
Miranda’s mold doesn’t work as intended, hence why she keeps experimenting after experimenting, no one know for sure if Spencer accepts mold then what will become of him. A cautious coward like him, won’t take that chance.
Thank you for doing a video on Spencer
Awesome video!!! Can't wait for the next episode!
Just me who thinks Spencer sounds EXACTLY like Palpatine from the OG Star wars movies?
If Resident Evil stories ever run out in the future, the series should end with the remaining S.T.A.R.S members fight him in the ultimate final showdown with him as the final boss battle
Village would have been better if we found an unopened letter from Spencer begging Miranda for her mold before his death
That would have been an interesting plot point. Imagine Spencer merging the Progenitor Virus with the Mold.
You think he would be desperate enough to rely on Miranda’s mold in his ailing days.
Yes 100%
5:42 Can someone remind me the name of the track that starts playing here? I want to add it to my bedtime playlist.
It's the stars office theme from OG2 soundtrack
I think there are many Oswell Spencers out there living among us , God help us...
The Outlast franchise has some evil characters, like Richard Trager, Sullivan Knoth and Rudolf Wernicke.
Weiricke and Spencer are both really similar characters
Essentially the Origen of umbrellas is imperial era Europe….but now operates in USA.
Explains how umbrella has such ties in Europe and all over the world
I've heard many people saying that Miranda started everything on the series, but that seems innacurate. She saved Spencer when he was young, and did inspire him. But he would eventually find the progenitor virus. He was always an ambitious guy with dreams of supremacy. So things would've happend with or without Miranda.
When Spencers giving that speech to wesker i think his voice sounds eerily similar to emperor Palpatines from star wars
His mentality is more like Darth Plagueis's, but you're right about the voice.
@@danmarusan2878 never read the plaguies book but heard its excellent!
Spencer should’ve taken the mold in his declining days to buy him his time. He may find the mold unprogressive, but it could prolong life and perhaps restore youth.
Spencer could’ve stay and become immortal like Mother Meranda over time but he was too ambitious and wanted more and more. Being immortal would be great but becoming the ruler over all life is what he wanted. And the mold was powerful but the followers were imperfect to Spencer who wanted humans to be like Wesker and worship him. Spencer was too greedy and soon lost everything for a goal that was unreachable
This proves that japanese storymakers are one hell of a genius.. plotting this thing from beginning to end. dammn
Good to have you back Hey DeVuh it got my attention the butler he knows everything including the virus could be the next villain?
Thank You!!! Also yes I would love to know more from his perspective and how things turned out after he was let go by Spencer
Really loved this explanation of the character, awsome work
Oswell Spencer may have founded Umbrella Corporation, but it was created by Mother Miranda with her experiments on the mold and the cadou and the symbol of the Four Lords.
Good to see you back, Hey Devuh.
Great work. Very clearly laid out. Thanks.
I greatly admire and appreciate Edward E Spencer’s. He is a tragic hero humanity loves to hate. There is nothing inherently malicious about the likes of him. Only if his experiments actually worked he would have either received a Nobel prize or been able to create a new world.
You miss some information from the manga Resident evil Heavenly Island which had some lore to Spencer and Alex Wesker. Back when Spencer sent his support on research for Alex, he mentioned the research base of Alex is in an old military base in a South seas island. The island named is Sonido de Tortuga, in somewhere of Caribbean sea. Alex conducted her first experiment in there before betrayed Spencer and moved to Shein island of Baltic sea. This was before Resident evil 5 and Revelations 2.
Amazing how much pain and suffering can be caused by one greedy old man.
I’m American I don’t have to imagine.
I know it's not everyone's fav cup of tea, but what can you dig up on Simmons from re6? Thoroughly enjoyable doco you've put together as well, many thanks
I actually have something cooking up for his character. TBH though I wish we knew more about his background but I'll do my best to cover as much as I can
@@HeYDeVuH yeah I got a theory of my own with that, seeing as he was responsible for 'sanitising' Raccoon City, he no doubt was covering himself when he killed the president when he wanted to go public, and that whole neo umbrella deal Simmons probably made that all up under orders from 'The Family' but there just theory's going from the Intel on Resident Giraffe.. I mean 6, will look forward to what you research, till next take care
To think that originally this guy married Leon's mom (yes, according to Kamiya he was Leon's father in RE 4 early stages).
If the fungus can created a body from nothing, isn't this a hint that Mister Burns is alive?, and he is indeed the final boss of the whole saga.
Ya know for being a "Genius" you'd think Spencer would asked Mother Miranda to explain everything about Megamycete so he could've used it to Live forever like her. 🤷🏿♂️
Yeah that would've been a great idea for him, unless if Mother Miranda denies him to further experiment on the Megamycete
@@HeYDeVuH Too bad he left the village before that ever came to mind. But I'm guessing his own Hubris made him want to unlock all the secrets of The Megamycete on his own. 🤷🏿♂️
So... Spencer knew about Miranda's immortality and decided to go away and not try to learn her secret for his own benefit. Okay...
He was busy
Excuse me, he was busy duh 😂
Spencer knew that Albert was going to kill him. And that's why he did let go his buttler. He saved his life.
I think Resident Evil was a way of saying "Hey, it's a bad idea to let people who support eugenics have power".
I just love how deep the resident evil lord has gotten
I thought revelations 2 happened after re5 though, and after Spencer’s death?
Lady D = hunger, Heisenberg = war, Donna B = Death, Moreau =...
; D ...get it?
Moreau is obv pestilence...gahhhh holy shit,now I can't unsee it ! 😳 🤯
Good job on these videos devuh!
Miranda walked so Spence could run. She inspired him to do everything he did. Hate her if you want,, but it's cannon now.
The fanboys cant stand any change to their precious lore
@@slaviclad9705 It's not like it taints the previous entries. It's just funny to me to see people be like "not my lore".
@@slaviclad9705Well, it doesn't help when the change is forced and pointless.
Spencer I swear was inspired by Emperor Palpatine. Just the way he talks.
Hahaha I just noticed that LOL
RE:9 "Somehow Spencer returned"
Tell me what's wrong with clip 1:20 without telling me what's exactly wrong with it. 😂
Been looking for a channel like this!!!
This man is THE textbook narcissist, sociopath, misanthrope and racist with the biggest god issue i've ever seen. He's also a very good example of money spoils the character. Too much ego and wealth without compassion and empathie.
But even someone like him could not escape justice, when his own monster killed him.
That's the ironic part in the end tat his own vision of a perfect Human would be the one to end him.
Ironic how Spencer et al. wanted immortality via viruses/mold, but the people who ended up possessing such immortality are the people that fought him (e.g. the protagonists and supporting characters who were accidentally infected)
Death Island all but confirms that Capcom is setting up these characters to be immortal thanks to viruses
1:20 chris as rose lmao
Thank You for noticing that LOL
It's ironic that he may not achieve immortality, but he'll be remembered in history as he and the others created a corrupted company that created B.O.W.s and caused the deaths of over 8 million people and despite their deaths, people carried on their work.
Spencer and Miranda created a legacy that will continue for generations to come.
Very well said. Spencer did cause so much havoc just to achieve his dreams of immortality, a true madman
@@HeYDeVuH all that money, wealth, status, and everything he ever built wasn't enough for him.
Being remembered for his crimes against humanity isn't the immortality he wanted.
the archives found on re5 nightmares DLC expansion are lore gold in my opinion.
Oswell E Spencer had potential to be a tyrant boss if only he had more screen time on the older games😔
Nah he had the potential to b THE tyrant boss of all tyrant bosses cause if u look at it symbolically wise : spencer was the tyrant of RE in terms of his whole persona,cruel,cold,evil,completely detached from humanity,calculating yet brutal af,all he needed was a virus in his body and he's good to go
That man was demented for sure lol
Yes for sure, he was truly evil, turned against the people close to him as long as it fits his goals
Obviously The Spencer note to Miranda is a new addition to RE and connects dots. And many keep saying "well if he knew he was dying why wouldn't he reach out to Miranda?" Fair.....but who's to say he hasn't or didn't and we get that in a future game.
I love this. My only thing would be to include every encounter we know of. I would of liked to hear about the building of the Spencer mansion and the Trevor family. But awesome video dude, I hope you make shit ton of these
I am pretty sure by the way he talks Oswell E. Spencer was in support of "the great reset".
It definitely seems like it
I won't lie, I kind of miss the old Resident evil zombies. I get that we do get enemies that are basically zombies but I kind of miss the ol T-virus outbreak in a large city with zombies eating human flesh etc. And I guess we did get a return to that in Resident Evil 6 with the whole zombies in a city but I kind of want to see what would happen if the T-virus made a return and was combined with the new virus's we got to make a whole new batch of zombies in a giant city much like Racoon city of though I would still like to see the zombies doing things like eating human flesh and the stuff we saw them do in Resident Evil 3 Remake because I just love when zombies are legit scary.
Also as a side note, if I was Spencer I would probably freeze myself in a secure facility because yes, when you freeze your cells explode etc but like, in the RE universe where we have virus that can literally do anything, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a virus that can bring back corpses after being taken out of ice.
Yeah it's very nice to think about the old RE games and the slower pace zombie puzzle gameplays. You're right that they had a portion similar in RE6. I think Spencer could've benefitted from the Mold like Mother Miranda did because in the end he wanted immortality and Mother Miranda sis achieve that due to the Megamycete
No lol
@@theunknown7441 yes lol
Come to think about it : the only virus tht coulda saved spencer was T phobos;it requires a strong mentality not genetics,and I doubt a guy like spencer scares easy,all he'd need post injection is to feel just nuff fear that the virus spreads thru his whole body but nt so much he ODs and same time allow the V act process to revive him since phobos requires u to di3 1st before it activates ur superhuman powers (assuming ofc u got a hold of ur neoepenphrine by nt gettin too scared)
How about a game with Oswell as the main character?
You're objective is to be as the much of an Evil person you can be
@@HeYDeVuH a gawwwwwwwwwwwwd!
I feel like if he had stayed with Mother Miranda, Spencer could have been taught the keys to immortality
Because of the fact that shes already immortal?
Them meeting along time ago makes no sense.
We saw Albert Wesker kill Spencer, but given his knowledge in Bio-Engineering, I Honestly think he'll be back. Someone who initially wanted Godhood don't go down that easily. 😒
That'd be interesting to have him back, though Spencer did admit that he had multiple organ failures by the time he saw Wesker, so unless if he could transfer his consciousness like Alex Wesker did, then it'd be interesting on how they'll have him come back in a future RE game
@@HeYDeVuH The butler could bring him back with the mold if he preserved his body. His loyalty is to big to even leave him dead and not fulfill his masters biggest wish.
Olwald E Spencer"I was meant to become a god" me"no....you were meant be become a corpse....just like everyone else...and the many that will be born after us and the others after that...end of story"
He could've used the mold to further his eugenics.
Yes he could have and just imagine what kind of craziness the world in RE would have been if he did.
@HeY DeVuH pretty insane! It just seems like a terrible lapse of judgment. He knew Miranda was immortal, and could've used that for himself, even if his goal was to work with viruses.
A other good vidoe dude keep it up you rock
Why hasn't someone sued him or his estate?? I'm no attorney but I'm sure there's a legal course of action on this terrible man.
Very true but I suspect that he bought his way out of all the crazy situations he's been in.
@@HeYDeVuHofc he did,guy was a billionaire and an aristocrat,i mean his title was earl spencer,i mean he bought the best lawyers,best fake witnesses post RC to make the trial drag on before albert delievered the final blow to him and umbrella
Palatine impression lol 😆
He chased immortality in ultimately the ironic thing was that he had found it but it didn't rear its head until years after he had died in the form of Sherry.
You missed that Alfred Ashford mentioned Spencer in Code Veronica.
Idea for the last RE game he comes back and injects himself with evreything las plagas, T-virus, T-abyss virus, C-virus. G-virus even urubores.
Oh man he would be a super mutant
@@HeYDeVuH i imagine him being like ursula and having his top half being intact and his bottom half looking like the most terrifying octopus ever
1:19 - wtf is that at the bottom right corner of the screen?? 🤣
Am I the only one thinking the whole "mold story" added to the lore as a sort of prequel feels kinda forced?
You're not the first to mention that, a lot of other RE fans felt it was forced as well
I don’t think James Marcus was actually resurrected. I feel like the queen leech made itself believe that it was indeed him. I could be wrong.
No ur totally right,the actual marcus di3ed in 1988,the queen leech was evolved nuff tht whn it fed on marcus's brains it reached a point where it actually believed it was marcus revived thru divine intervention,hence why it looked kinda like jesus in its Young marcus form
It's funny how in Resident Evil 0, Spencer was depicted as a cold businessman without vision, who just wanted to make profit with the T-Virus. In the end, he had the same God complex as Marcus and Ashford.