That's a very good point. I got Hitman 2016 through PS Plus and the only reason I played it is because I'd seen videos about the goofy easter eggs you can find. This series is now one of my most-played and I forget that there is a serious campaign story in there sometimes.
@@romancatholicgameing the game wants to present itself as a complex assassination game but the moment you try fucking around it ends up looking like a game for trolls in mind
@@extantfellow46 of course thats a good thing My point is that initially the game has a way of being misleading in its play-style. Onion mentions how in the first level of the game it sorta holds the hand of the player in plain sight with things like people pointing where to go in certain areas and how opportunities (those little story missions that sometimes have a unique scene when completed) give someone an incentive to play in a straight line rather than beating someone to death with a fish If you’ve never seen this game before and fail to discover the shenanigans and foolishness it hides in plain sight then you’d probably end up thinking Agent 47 was all kills and no thrills. Hell the opening cutscene to the game that features 47 assassinating a multitude of targets gives a serious vibe that makes 47 look like a no nonsense character
The only way I agree is in the story aspect. Using the first mission of hitman 3 in particular isn't a great example either. Sure they made a mistake in assuming hitman 3 players did play both 1 and 2 of the trilogy which feature the ICA facility as the games start point and is the true "tutorial" of the game. In conclusion: A game that allows you to run around in a full clown outfit, knocking out NPCs with a fish, and throwing a one use confetti bomb distraction isn't taking itself too seriously.
The tutorial is ICA Facility, and people should be starting from Hitman 1, not 3. It’s like starting a TV show from season 5. And since it’s World of Assassination now, it’s INCREDIBLY easy to know by starting from the beginning. Hitman 3 is meant for players who have played Hitman for a while and already understand the ins and outs of the system, not newcomers. Newcomers start from the Paris or ICA Facility.
I would be inclined to agree with you, but for starters, Hitman 3 was a fully priced game on launch with a huge marketing push, expecting everyone to have already played the first two games is ignorant. Especially when the main draw is the gameplay, not the story. Along with this, the ICA facility still has all the same problems that I mentioned before in that it still presents itself in a really linear way, possibly even worse than in Hitman 3 as Diana is holding your hand the whole time telling you exactly what to do
@@onionbutter42 id agree with you if there wasnt a freeform version of the yacht training map with no one in your ear. you know the map, you knot the routes. now its time to experiment
It costs $180 to get the entire World of Assassination series, and even if you want to only get Hitman 3 + the first season to see if you like it (assuming you don't want to play the 5-year-old clearly worse version that is actually Hitman 1) that's still $120. That's way too high a barrier for entry for someone that doesn't already know/like the series.
that's like saying you need to play every sonic game to understand no ones gonna buy ALL THE GAMES just to understand the story plus this game was very marketed and pushed anyways what I'm tryna say is it should have said search up the story or look at a Wikipedia page
I bought HITMAN 3 thinking it was the better and 3rd version of the game and not the 3rd in a series, I played through the HITMAN 3 levels and thought the story line was boring and short. I then realized that it was a series of games and I bought the last one, my game then got updated to HITMAN: World of Assassination and I played the first two games and realized that the game was really well put together. But that wasn't my first initial thought.
I think the freeform training at the ICA facility introduced this part of the game really well. I played through that boat mission a dozen times to get all the possible kills and feats there and that really helped to prepare me for the big missions like Paris and the level of freedom they allowed.
I agree, I know that you can replay the Hitman 1 tutorial in Hitman 3, but I do wish that you had to replay it, unless you are already familiar with the trilogy.
Just like in Metal Gear Solid and Splinter Cell games, I think it's a matter of the player realizing that once they achieved the highest score for being sneaky, it's time to experiment as you wish and do what you want. IMo, Freelancer helps a lot to showcase just how many options you have to eliminate your targets and complete some side stuff for extra rewards (unless you play in Harcore and even then isn't too uptight).
I think they did notice this, cause Freelancer is a bit more free wheeling. I felt so much more freedom doing freelancer stuff than the story stuff. The base game heavily incentivizes stealth. To the point where if I don't do something stealthily, I feel I fucked up. But when I play freelancer, as long as I hit my target and get out. I am successful. And that's a good feeling and opens things up for me in ways the story never did. With that said, I don't mind the story based linear stuff. Yes I followed them as a newer player because I just love how silly and funny some can be and just wanted to experience story stuff in my story campaign. But I don't think the game really makes an effort to railroad you into them. We as gamers these days are drawn to on screen markers. It's not up to the game to tell us "hey, these are here to help you if you get stuck or just want to experience the story but you're free to do this however you want." Nowadays, we have freelancer for that creative stuff. The story mode is, well, for the story.
I think that this is why this trilogy always had a free demo. allowing you to experience the mission stories and challenges in full before buying the full game.
I can only imagine trying to change the movement in the game would lead to worse results whether it would be through bugs or getting stuck. It happens a lot in games with a more “Free” movement system. The “tutorial” for Dubai is mostly for old hitman players to get back into the game and introduce them to the new camera function whilst impressing them with visuals. The actual tutorial would be in the ICA facility, a design flaw on their part I suppose. I think the more linear feeling actually helps with introducing newer players without overstimulating. It allows them to ride along with the assassinations until they realize they can create a unique way to play. (This is how my play through went.) Overall I disagree with your stance and think most of the changes you suggested should not be implemented, but your points are still valid (even on a subjective level).
My first experience was hitman 2 and I instantly knew I could do crazy stuff and it wasn't linear I could also understand that my particular gameplay isn't canon to the story
I like that the story takes itself super serious because it makes doing goofy stuff funny to me. But I do agree that for first time player it doesn't show that you can be quite creative and could be added to the story.
I think one real easy fix is to allow the player to bring in some of the show comedic elements, like the rubber duck. Just imagine going through a super serious story, and then in the loadout section the first thing you see is the rubber duck, even if locked. That imo would be the perfect way to show even if players don't find it funny. Maybe even have one in the dubai mission and have diana or gray mention something if you pick it up. Somewhere easy to get to and most players would notice it.
I spent my first 100 odd hours on Hitman just getting the Sniper, Suit Only, Silent Assassin challenges and all that out of the way on every map, and then I find ways to fuck about.
Also, you unlock tools that allow experimentation late in the game. So the players are encouraged to complete mission stories the first time, and only then can they unlock cool stuff like lethal syringe or emetic briefcase, which give a lot of freedom
I think it's kind of disingenuous to talk about the scoring system like it's telling players they're doing bad when they don't play stealthily, because the scoring system is based off the whole point of the game- but it's not *necessary*. You absolutely can ignore the scoring system and play the game however you would like, and in fact like you said, some story missions are based in things that give you a technically worse score! Agent 47 is a spy assassin, he is the shadow that takes out his targets with pinpoint accuracy and precision. The scoring system *needs* to be based off not only this idea for the benefit of context and such, but for also the sheer fact that we have this long history of Hitman games that were all based in being the best spy assassin you could be. Honestly, the WOA trilogy being so open and giving you SO MANY options to play out the missions is quite incredible, and really demonstrates to me that IOI is a leader in making stealth games that also allow you to do almost anything you want to do. At the end of the day, this is all opinions, and everyone can feel as they may. I just feel that telling a stealth game that its fatal flaw is that it... bases itself off being a stealth game just feels weird as hell.
@@weckarbad luck 😂 Nobody cares about “new players” lol. Get good at the game and actually give it a chance. Your opinion as a “new player” in ANY franchise is irrelevant.
I understand what you are trying to say, and of course these are all opinions. But I don’t think your argument holds water 1. Dubai isnt “the” tutorial. ICA training facility is. Its in the name. I would agree that the game shoudl point to it better, as it is in the prologue, but this brings me to the second point 2. Do you start reading a book series from the third book? Oh, there is prologue and hitman 1 and 2 I wonder what they could be. Me personally started with the second game, and still played the training facility before. I didn’t bought it, it was on ps plus at the time. 3. Of course killing innocent people will afect your score negatively. This isn’t a murder everyone simulation (although kill everyone challenges are really fun.) It still is a stealth game. Yes, it values sandbox experiences but at its core it is still a stealth game. You wouldn’t be a good assasin if you were always spoted. 4. Me, personally I never thought that they valued the story a lot. But they overcomplicated it, i do agree 5. I also was sometimes mildly annoyed that 47 could go over certain things that should be possible, but its just isn’t the game. The mouvement isn’t (and shouldn’t be) complicated. Not every game should have wall climb, wall run mechanics. Go play assasins creed or ghostrunner or something. Call of duty tried that, and was criticised because it wasn’t the game for those mechanics. 6. I also never thought that the game was taking itself way to much seriously, but it might be a mistake on my part
Um, excuse me, CoD movements were AWESOME once they've introduced better climbing/"parkour" mechanics! Also, you talk like this was an artistic choice for Hitman to prevent us from moving logically. It was not. The inability to go past any fence is a technical limitation, not a deliberate choice. I'd even call it a bug. On a side note, I also don't like how we can't sprint in those games... Like, you kill somebody, everyone around you starts shooting but 47 just jogs, lol. There really was an issue with how they implemented normal motion in Hitman.
I agree that the creativity in the gameplay should be emphasized in the story more, but at the same time, Agent 47 has been established in the story as a perfectly silent assassin for a long time, and the story suddenly discarding this would feel weird.
As some have already stated here in the comments, the ICA Facility is what should really be considered the tutorial for the entire Hitman WoA (especially since it is one game now). Obviously, all the basic game mechanics are introduced first, but after that I think the freeform training actually did a pretty good job at introducing the sandbox aspect of the game. Sure, it is still the goal to get a Silent Assassin rating, but that is honestly just the way the game is supposed to be played (outside of freelancer) and it still leaves the player with a tremendous amount of freedom. You can actually do almost anything SA if you really want to. The Hippo challenge with all three targets on Santa Fortuna for example: I did that SA, but you don't have to in order to complete the challenge. There are really no repercussions at all, if you don't get SA. It's just something that you can go for, if you want to challenge yourself a bit more. Same thing with SA/SO. Also, if you mess up, there is still the saving/loading mechanic in the main missions. The thing with the cutscenes is, that they are obviously just meant to show the canonical story of the game, which is for Agent 47 to complete every mission undetected, because the story just wouldn't work out otherwise. As far as I'm concerned, that is also how it should be, because that's just who 47 is as a character. You can of course make him do some goofy stuff as the player, but 47 as a character is just meant to be the perfect assassin who completes everything SA. There are challenges and freelancer for example to show the player other ways to play, but the cutscenes somehow encouraging that would just be wrong, because it doesn't fit the story or 47 in the slightest. All in all, I think most players who are actually interested in the game will find their way to play which gives them the most fun experience. Someone who really enjoys the game will not just play through the story once but find some map he wants to explore and complete more than just the main objective on. And once you start trying to complete some challenges, you will automatically start to realize how much freedom the game offers.
I think the tonal disconnect between the super serious story and the goofy gameplay is one of Hitman's greatest strengths. You start to realize this if you play the mission stories. In Paris, the first level, isn't it awfully convenient (and funny) that one of the world's top supermodels just happens to look exactly like Agent 47? Or in Thailand, watching 47 go ham on the drums with a completely blank expression is hilarious. Not to mention all the murder puns 47 makes throughout the game. Unless you're going for Silent Assassin, you can goof around however you want without fear. I mean, who honestly cares about the score anyway? And even if you do, you don't need to go for a high score every time.
To me, this seems like the original hitman wanted to initially be a serious story, but at some point (whether in development or just seeing players screw around) they decided to embrace it. They still want to use the "serious" thing for the story but have it juxtaposed with the gameplay. It could be done a lot better sure but I feel, at least based on what I had seen (watched a lot of hitman content but don't have the game myself) I feel like this is what they were aiming for. One change that might make it much more obvious it's fine to not is in the tutorial hand them a ton of those explosive ducks to work with right off the bat. Even if the player doesn't find it funny I think it'd give them an idea that it's not always serious. Another change they could do is maybe instead of a point based system a "professional vs chaotic" type system. It would show the player that hey, killing everyone is not a bad thing in this particular series while still giving the player a reason to go "professional".
Hitman is the series that u can purchase the most recent one and have 100s of hours worth of fun because u can play all of hitman 1 and 2 aswell with a purchase or hitman 3 (or atleast I could as I own the other ones) For example I found a lethal injection syringe and I didn’t know what to do with it Turns out that one syringe I picked up would be the most vital thing I had in my inventory during that mission as it got me my first master mode silent assassin clear which felt really good If poison Isnt for then u can feed a target to a hippo
Well, I feel like if a person starts with the last game in a series, they should expect to be confused. Obviously one should start with the first game...which has a stellar tutorial.
so many people with this argument. There are so many games whose sequels have a bigger player bases than original. Uncharted, Witcher, Call of Duty for crying out loud. This logic doesn't work for most people Also ICA facility is not even a good tutorial it's barely decent
my bad i guess i should retroactivly buy three games and go back in time because this tutorial is shit. like hes allowed to be critical stop getting pissy for nothin
I'd disagree with that. I started with persona 3 and understood everything perfectly. Why? The tutorial understood that newer players would come in and they actually planned for that. The story itself also didn't rely on the previous games to have explained what was happening in game.
Just wanna say Most your points on people not playing story are mostly with the pros who have done it MULTIPLE TIMES Top assasin point? That’s really only player controlled. You could do it undetected just like the game hints. Tutorial point? Very nitpicky but I guess you have a point, it’s still a good introduction Scripted? Didn’t you just say that you can do very goofy things
his main point is that the game presents itself as a super serious sneak simulator where you only skillfully sneak along a path instead of the varied sandbox the game actually gives you
@@kaishedan37 who CARES how it presents itself?! It's about the gameplay, which is excellent. And also he's wrong. There are so many examples where the game presents itself in a more goofy way. All the crazy outfits, the wacky Easter eggs, the funny ways of eliminating targets just to name a few...
You are definitely right here. There are so many creative ways to kill your targets, but it ends up discouraging those ways by giving you less points if you do them. And when you try to get points, it almost always boils down to “go drown your target” or “go push them off a ledge” and it just narrows down the replayability so much it you actually care about getting a good score on levels. It would be cool if in the future instead of stealth, it rewards you if you are creative with how you finish the level.
Yeah I partly agree. I did play the third game first. And had no idea what to do or go most of the time. So I’d like the mission stories a lot. The challenges are fun and difficult to do, so that’s really what the game is more then the rest
Without any thought, the game seems really serious. This hardboiled James Bold type lands on this tower. But with some thinking, this is a ridiculous start. And seeing the achievements to realize that scoring is better off ignored. Especially with the clown suit, mascot, the really _really_ creative ways 47 decides to "ethically" dispatch targets. After the tutorial, I'd imagine a newbie would go "wait, there's an explosive golf ball?" And then the cogs start turning
Yeah I disagree, the tutorial is the ICA facility, you get dropped into Dubai if you've played before. Hitman 3 is my least favourite because it is more linear than the others but they were trying to round out a series so I get it. Finally on the seriousness, it's what makes the game funny. The fact the whole world behaves like he's a super badass but I can dress up as a clown and create the silliest of kills is what makes the silliness amusing. If the game was openly silly then the weird and wonderful options wouldn't feel as amusing and the core gameplay would feel too serious.
Now if you play Hitman Absolution that would be the funniest thing possible. Great video, love to see you are raising this point. As a community it's on us to point out the flaws of the games we love in a polite, mature manner so the devs and designers can out-do themselves everytime. Watching the Saints Row series die with Volition was sad, and I worry that might happen to more and more studios going forward.
Damn this comment section is brutal. Hope that you stick with your guts, you are right about most points. There is always room for improvement on the developer's side, and it is always good to point out flaws in a constructive manner, which you did. What are people on about lmao
Since I make so many videos about Hitman I expected the comments to be kinda brutal since I probably have quite a few hardcore Hitman fans, I think I could have worded some things better but I still stand by what I said. It’s fun to stir the pot a little >:)
@@onionbutter42 im not all that familiar with older hitman games, but would bet good money how the new hitman games encapsulate much better what these games are suppose to be about.
The disconnect between the silent assassin style presentation and the over-the-top gameplay was definitely weird. But I don't call it a flaw, honestly. It's not hard to understand that you are indeed free to kill however you want. Also, most people don't start with Hitman 3, especially now that it's been merged with the other games. Anyone starting these games would be introduced with the boat mission simulation from the first game. It's made of 3 times the same mission: one where you are forced to follow orders, then one where the game explicitly tells you that you are free, then a third linear mission (but the game still showed you that you were free to kill however you want, that still counts). So it's not a problem, really. The real fatal flaw, in my opinion, is the lack of budget in Hitman 2. Not only do cutscenes go from the outstanding cinema level to stupid stills, even the maps feel rushed. Take the first mission for example (the beach). They make you start miles from the house, then they make you thoroughly inspect that house. You see all the hiding spots, all the tools, and you KNOW there will be a fight. .... But then the bad guys barge in, you kill your target, and then you can literally just avoid them by getting out from the balcony! Why bother making the house a complete battlefield when any sensible player would look for an exit from the balcony and find it? And it's not the only problematic map. Adding other objectives aside than killing is great, but the way they implemented them was sooo boring. The Maelstrom, for example : you have to identify him before killing him. Awesome! But in order to do so? You just look at random NPCs until you find him. Boriiing! All those issues stem from the lack of budget, due to Square Enix fucking over IO Interactive. I can't imagine what these games would be like if they had the proper budget...
I recently played the Hitman 3 demo because I didn't own the game yet, and I was performance testing, and while the limited map space and directions definitely go with your point of not allowing freedom all to much, there were moments here and there that made me figure things out on my own which has someone who already played lots of hitman in the past was easy, but I also think it's just obvious enough for a new player to figure it out, just a little thing I was thinking of
You've missed the point. There are silent assassin ways to do a mission. If anything those are canon Yet there are all these over the top creative challenges that we can do for bonus weapons and so forth to keep the game fun. For example the scare crow challenges in the Colorado map or the challenge in Japan involving a baseball bat and the kill bill outfit. Neither can be done silent assassin. I do agree the game should be $20 to $30, worst case scenario DLC. Thankfully the trilogy can be bought and treated as a full release
way to miss the point yourself buddy. this video was for sure saying there wasnt silent assasin ways to so missions. great job defending the game soldier. totally didnt miss the point of this video, which is talking about the tutorial not fully showing a new player the full extent until well after one might quit the game not understanding. good job man. cant believe i almost thought the tutorial was bad, but you can do silent assasin!!!!!!?????? how could i have been so stupid?!!??????
I agree, but would say that I think the game's comedy is subtle, and that delicate tone is maintained by presenting itself as a super-serious spy thriller in contrast to the goofiness. I wouldn't want them to try and match the tone of the cutscenes with that of the gameplay, because the joke is not between the game's characters, it's between the game itself, and the player. If they ditched the cinematic melodrama in favor of dark comedy in the cutscenes, then it would drag the contradictory tone of the gameplay into the light of day, where it becomes less charming, and more distracting. The audience would be forced to ask (why) a pasty-white, wax-bald statue of a man with a barcode tattoo on the back of his head is able to blend in as a street vendor in Mumbai. By keeping dissonance in tone between the story the game is telling, and the story that you play out with 47, the underlying joke stays underlying, and avoids becoming overdone. Part of what makes Hitman so fun to engage with in a silly tone through memes or wacky gameplay, is the juxtaposition between the grim tone, and 47's disconnected, almost serendipitous interactions with the world.
the idea that you have to be super skilled to have fun is the main thing that's kept me from actually buying and trying the game out myself. even the silly kills ive seen have looked like they took a lot of dedication. love watching RUclips videos about hitman; never once looked it up on Steam. if it's really true that even a complete newbie could have fun doing improvised shitpost kills, then maybe i might make time for it someday
@@extantfellow46 I don't see at all how you need mission stories for that, which railroad you into a specific path. How is that completing the mission "in your own way". H2SA's first mission, Anathema, wasn't linear whatsoever. You could even do it suit only which was a rarity back then.
I think the Way the game sees itself is part of the fun. I do believe that the tutorial should be more open and that people should be able to more easaly see what it is, but the way the game sees itself, a super serious Hitman that is absolutely perfect, just harmonizes in a very funny way with the stuff you can actually do in the game. A serious Hitman in a Cosplay suit flying away, a Hitman killing someone with a Banana etc. That image that you are the best contrasts in a very nice way with what you do.
I can't tell you how many times my briefcase managed to Fumble right out of bounds into a place where I couldn't quite reach it and had to pull the plug and start the game over. Yes let me walk into a place that my briefcase manages to go but I can't get to for some stupid reason
I believe they said the series will come back after they work on a different series for a while, hopefully I’m not imagining things or that would be real awkward lol
Know I am a few months behind. But quite literally, every single person I've ever been able to see play any of the modern hitman games for the first time. Go, at some point in the first few levels. "Why can't I (Insert Jump, Climb or Vault) here?"
They don't need to be adapted to film at all. The humor comes from the goofy gameplay being at odds with the narrative taking itself super seriously. If you want a dark comedy about a contract killer there's 'The Killer' from David Fincher that came out this year.
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I’m sorry, but this is a poor excuse for a video essay and seems like nothing more than a desperate attempt for clicks. As other comments have pointed out, you conveniently leave out that Dubai is not the first mission for new players. The ICA facility is, which basically straight up tells you that you can do whatever you want. Also, notice that big #3 right next to Hitman. Pretty sure most people playing it will have experience with previous games because of that. Your argument essentially boils down to the game sacrificing its identity for the sake of creativity. While Hitman is supposed to offer plenty of freedom, it is still first and foremost a stealth game. Its AI, its map design, and its core gameplay are all built around stealth; it’s literally a game where you’re playing as a Hitman and, contrary to what movies like John Wick show, that does not mean going in guns blazing and being a one-man army. You also seem to think that the serious attitude of the story somehow holds back the gameplay. If anything, it enhances it for both new and old players. New players can be immersed in the world and old players can catch up on the juicy lore. Also, ever since the first game in the early 2000s, Hitman has had an incredibly serious and often grisly story. Like stealth, it’s a part of the series’ identity. And again, the tutorial makes it clear that you don’t have to be the same 47 in the cutscene and can instead throw rubber duckies at everyone. Mission stories help new players get familiar with the mechanics and general gameplay. You seem to think you’re speaking on behalf of new players, but new players won’t know how the AI works, what they can get away with, and what the basic strategies are for completing the mission. Plus, they’re how players can see the most iconic and over the top kills, which is likely one of the main reasons someone bought the game in the first place. You also conveniently leave out that mission stories can be turned off entirely anytime. The pinned comment here also reflects your willful ignorance of the connection, or disconnection, as decided entirely by the player, between cutscene and gameplay. You can slap Mafia bosses to death with a fish while dressed as a clown, for Pete’s sake. The video title is also somewhat clickbait. If this were a “flaw,” let alone a “fatal” one, how has Hitman 3 been able to become both a commercial and qualitative success? By your logic, or lack thereof, wouldn’t new players have been turned away? In conclusion, this is not a video essay. This is a poor excuse for an argument that consists almost entirely of conveniently left out yet highly significant information, clouded all or nothing logical fallacies, a complete ignorance of the series’ history and disregard for its identity, and a pride in oneself so inflated that you think you speak for new players. This is nothing more than a desperate attempt for clicks.
I also find it funny and pathetic that you haven’t addressed a single comment debunking your ridiculous claims. You know that your argument has zero substance.
Honestly i think you have good points but a new hitman player should buy the trilogy and start from the beginning for the story and game play to make sence as well the game is now a trilogy now and costs £30 pounds for 20 plus maps compare to 3 games on different disks with separate maps, plus the dlc doest cost 70 dollars for 3 maps it costs like 30 for all the dlc you would want if you enjoyed the game which adds many more versions of pre existing maps aswell as adding 2 new ones in new york and haven island plus the two sniping maps which are also fun to play from time to time. IO probably wont make another hitman game for a long time anyway so they probably won't charge anymore for dlc as they focus on adding more challenges, items, suits and ilusive targets to the game for free monthly. So in my opinion i think your review is flawed as hitman 3 isnt how a new player should be introduced to the game it should be the ica training tests.
If you are expected to play a previous entry to understand a game's mechanics, your game has a major flaw. And ICA facility is not even that good of a tutorial, it barely passes as a decent tutorial mission.
Yea I agree first time playing hit man I was thinking it was about to be a modern time assassins creed but then I realized I couldn’t even jump😂 and throwing knifes were so slow
Hitman is definitely a stealth game at its core. How do I know that? You must play the original Hitman games to realize this; Silent Assassin and Contracts will tell you whether you were stealthy or not at the end of a mission. Stealth by definition means: a cautious, unobtrusive, and secretive way of moving or proceeding intended to avoid detection. Source was from merriam-webster. People believe that using shadow or hiding in corners in video games automatically means stealth. They forget that there is another way to stealth as well. 47 uses disguises to avoid getting caught. The enemies see him, but they believe he is an ally therefore 47 is allowed to go anywhere. Simple as that. That's the kind of stealth IO Interactive uses in their Hitman games. As a result, players can get creative with their speedrun of the hitman games.
I’m gonna be honest I really can’t understand anything being said in this video it’s creating problems from nothing I mean the Dubai intro is such a non-issue it’s insane and with exception of 1 or 2 every little fun kill can be done silent assassin with some skill I assume the issue being mentioned is that it presents itself as a stealth game whilst being more of a puzzle one in essence but any player that sticks with the game for more than a couple missions will learn that also it’s practically needed to have some more linear options with mission stories and the like simply because of how different of a game hitman is a completely new player like in any game will need some guidance and actually I think it would harm the new player experience if they just threw them into a mission with no guidance leaving them to try to figure stuff out completely on their own it’s like building blocks all players need the blocks of being guided hand in hand through a mission using a story before they can begin to develop their own strategies and experiment
Yeah I am with you. It seems that the complaint is that the game plays into it own narrative which I mean of course it does. You are a hitman, a hitman should try and be stealthy, it makes sense that you would be rewarded for doing it well. All games reward you for using its mechanics well.
I do think changing the framing would go miles towards better representing the strengths of the games and priming players for what is possible. Imaigne instead of the "elite assassin, never gets spotted" stuff you have a dialogue between Diana and a client prospect. "Agent 47 is our most effective assassin by far. While his methods could be described as...." "Unconventional?" "...Creative, his aptitude at finding unexpected ways to eliminate his targets continue to baffle both law enforcement and the agency. Of course, he is also adept at more conventional techniques when the situation calls for it." Bam, you're encouraging to player to get weird with it, without invalidating a more "serious" play style.
Love the channel, completely disagree with the takes, but everyone is allowed their opinion, I know at least from your other videos that you 'get' the game and arent trying to clickbait, even if I disagree with basically every point you make 😅
I will go one step further: Dubai is a TERRIBLE introductory level to a Hitman game. Its verticality makes the progression through it necessarily quite linear and at the same time disorienting. It is too complex without making up for it by being immediately interesting. Hawkes bay probably swung the other way, but at least you're in and out of that quick to afterwards immediately be dropped into Miami. Paris of course by design is practically perfect. It had to be, as it was all people could play for like a month. I don't think Hitman 3 necessarily has a better 'first level' available to it. Each of them has a gimmick or two that can only be appreciated in their deviation from the norm. Mendoza is probably the exception and could if polished a bit more be a Paris for Hitman 3 - but that would require changing the story a fair bit.
The irony of : "i dont just want this to be an echo chamber" That you are probably doing that since hitman games are a niche, probably even more so with the new hitmans, so most of the people ( if not nearly all ) who watch this video already have vested interest in the series, nevertheless i agree that there shouldnt be any reason reason these games dont open up the market better a bit to a larger audience.
This had to be the worst take I've ever seen in a Hitman review. I've been playing it almost every day since it released in 2016. It's one of my favourite games. But I feel like I could easily shoot down any of those invalid points you made in this video 😂
Along with a lot of the other comments here, I have to say that this is a really bad take. At no point do you make it clear that this is specifically Hitman 3, the third game in the series. The ICA facility IS the tutorial level and it gives an incredible amount of scenarios and variations to teach the player exactly what they can and can't do. Every other video you've put out has been great but this one is just completely disingenuous and purposefully misses key information so that you can fit your own point to your own narrative.
I think it is pretty crazy of you to presume that he is being purposefully disingenuous considering this is a game that he likes. He has an opinion, even if it is one you don't agree with. Why would you assume the worst of him?
@@extantfellow46 But he has no reason to bash the game. It not like he dislikes it and therefore wants to convince you of the same thing. He clearly really likes the game. So even if you think that his opinions are bad, it is much more bad faith for you to say that he is being intentionally deceitful
I always thought the contradiction was pretty funny in the cut scenes: super professional never seen greatest assassin ever in game: man dressed as clown kills 4 armed guards with a star fish
@@extantfellow46 Yeah I always assumed the Profesional 47 was the cannon one given how he's presented in cutscenes. Its still funny to dress up as Santa and go on a violent rampage though.
_I respect all your creative videos like beating every level without being seen for even 1 frame, that’s creative and dope, but this hot take you have on this game as depicted in this video, I can’t say I agree with.. yeah this is a puzzle solving murder simulator, but to say it isn’t a stealth game is kinda silly, and shows to me levels of immaturity and untastfulness_ 👎
i remember getting the first hitman in the trilogy being very hyped, but then i found out that hitman doesn't HAVE a lot of items to unlock unless you sink a lot of hours in the game, and I also really liked miami but it wasn't i the game. So, I had a plan, I would get familiar with all the maps so I could get better nd then I got Hitman 3, and I was a master and unlocked all the things I wanted to use in Hitman, Snipers, Explosive ducks. And I used to hate hokkaido and paris as I found them difficult, but after playing for so long I can master them with ease and really like playing them. [ok ive typed too much. point is, practice your favourite maps to improve skill]
damn, exactly! I forgot how I get to try it, but I got really bored and quit the game after I done the assassin on the "kill the old lady in the mansion" , it is fine but... so linear, and even it is linear, the story is so bland that it feels like the game want me to focus on something else (which I never know before I watched these crazy videos online) Will I go back to the game? probably no after the bad taste it left me, but will I keep on watching video like yours? hell yeah :D
@@extantfellow46 Made the same mistake with Hitman one. I absolutely hate Paris and quit the game for a few months after this level. I then simply skipped it, instead of forcing myself to play the story as it is recommended. Now I've finished every level and absolutely love hitman. I'm happy that i didn't give up. I still hate Paris tho
In conclusion
This game takes itself way too seriously
That's a very good point. I got Hitman 2016 through PS Plus and the only reason I played it is because I'd seen videos about the goofy easter eggs you can find. This series is now one of my most-played and I forget that there is a serious campaign story in there sometimes.
Dude you can slap people around with a fish I don't think this game is taking itself "too seriously" by any definition
@@romancatholicgameing the game wants to present itself as a complex assassination game but the moment you try fucking around it ends up looking like a game for trolls in mind
@@extantfellow46 of course thats a good thing
My point is that initially the game has a way of being misleading in its play-style.
Onion mentions how in the first level of the game it sorta holds the hand of the player in plain sight with things like people pointing where to go in certain areas and how opportunities (those little story missions that sometimes have a unique scene when completed) give someone an incentive to play in a straight line rather than beating someone to death with a fish
If you’ve never seen this game before and fail to discover the shenanigans and foolishness it hides in plain sight then you’d probably end up thinking Agent 47 was all kills and no thrills. Hell the opening cutscene to the game that features 47 assassinating a multitude of targets gives a serious vibe that makes 47 look like a no nonsense character
The only way I agree is in the story aspect. Using the first mission of hitman 3 in particular isn't a great example either. Sure they made a mistake in assuming hitman 3 players did play both 1 and 2 of the trilogy which feature the ICA facility as the games start point and is the true "tutorial" of the game.
In conclusion: A game that allows you to run around in a full clown outfit, knocking out NPCs with a fish, and throwing a one use confetti bomb distraction isn't taking itself too seriously.
maybe the real tutorial is the ICA Facility, not dubai's introduction
Who would have thought prologue called training would be the tutorial
Yeah but the point still makes sense. And for me and many other players Dubai will be the tutorial
I mean the hitman demo only gives the Dubai level so I think Dubai can be seen as a tutorial
@@tino_-td7okwhy did you start with the third game?
@@BiggerR10 because i saw that dubai is free to try and just tried the game
The tutorial is ICA Facility, and people should be starting from Hitman 1, not 3. It’s like starting a TV show from season 5.
And since it’s World of Assassination now, it’s INCREDIBLY easy to know by starting from the beginning.
Hitman 3 is meant for players who have played Hitman for a while and already understand the ins and outs of the system, not newcomers. Newcomers start from the Paris or ICA Facility.
I would be inclined to agree with you, but for starters, Hitman 3 was a fully priced game on launch with a huge marketing push, expecting everyone to have already played the first two games is ignorant. Especially when the main draw is the gameplay, not the story. Along with this, the ICA facility still has all the same problems that I mentioned before in that it still presents itself in a really linear way, possibly even worse than in Hitman 3 as Diana is holding your hand the whole time telling you exactly what to do
@@onionbutter42 id agree with you if there wasnt a freeform version of the yacht training map with no one in your ear. you know the map, you knot the routes. now its time to experiment
It costs $180 to get the entire World of Assassination series, and even if you want to only get Hitman 3 + the first season to see if you like it (assuming you don't want to play the 5-year-old clearly worse version that is actually Hitman 1) that's still $120. That's way too high a barrier for entry for someone that doesn't already know/like the series.
that's like saying you need to play every sonic game to understand no ones gonna buy ALL THE GAMES just to understand the story plus this game was very marketed and pushed anyways what I'm tryna say is it should have said search up the story or look at a Wikipedia page
I bought HITMAN 3 thinking it was the better and 3rd version of the game and not the 3rd in a series, I played through the HITMAN 3 levels and thought the story line was boring and short. I then realized that it was a series of games and I bought the last one, my game then got updated to HITMAN: World of Assassination and I played the first two games and realized that the game was really well put together. But that wasn't my first initial thought.
I think the freeform training at the ICA facility introduced this part of the game really well. I played through that boat mission a dozen times to get all the possible kills and feats there and that really helped to prepare me for the big missions like Paris and the level of freedom they allowed.
I agree, I know that you can replay the Hitman 1 tutorial in Hitman 3, but I do wish that you had to replay it, unless you are already familiar with the trilogy.
I would say that hitman 1 with its tutorials is the true and best tutorial to encourage new players
Just like in Metal Gear Solid and Splinter Cell games, I think it's a matter of the player realizing that once they achieved the highest score for being sneaky, it's time to experiment as you wish and do what you want. IMo, Freelancer helps a lot to showcase just how many options you have to eliminate your targets and complete some side stuff for extra rewards (unless you play in Harcore and even then isn't too uptight).
I think they did notice this, cause Freelancer is a bit more free wheeling. I felt so much more freedom doing freelancer stuff than the story stuff. The base game heavily incentivizes stealth. To the point where if I don't do something stealthily, I feel I fucked up. But when I play freelancer, as long as I hit my target and get out. I am successful. And that's a good feeling and opens things up for me in ways the story never did.
With that said, I don't mind the story based linear stuff. Yes I followed them as a newer player because I just love how silly and funny some can be and just wanted to experience story stuff in my story campaign. But I don't think the game really makes an effort to railroad you into them. We as gamers these days are drawn to on screen markers. It's not up to the game to tell us "hey, these are here to help you if you get stuck or just want to experience the story but you're free to do this however you want." Nowadays, we have freelancer for that creative stuff. The story mode is, well, for the story.
I think that this is why this trilogy always had a free demo. allowing you to experience the mission stories and challenges in full before buying the full game.
if only I knew how to buy the full game 😔
@@Brass319 uhh by pressing purchase on the world of assassination trilogy on steam, epic games, Xbox, or ps5? I mean is it really that confusing
I can only imagine trying to change the movement in the game would lead to worse results whether it would be through bugs or getting stuck. It happens a lot in games with a more “Free” movement system.
The “tutorial” for Dubai is mostly for old hitman players to get back into the game and introduce them to the new camera function whilst impressing them with visuals. The actual tutorial would be in the ICA facility, a design flaw on their part I suppose.
I think the more linear feeling actually helps with introducing newer players without overstimulating. It allows them to ride along with the assassinations until they realize they can create a unique way to play. (This is how my play through went.)
Overall I disagree with your stance and think most of the changes you suggested should not be implemented, but your points are still valid (even on a subjective level).
My first experience was hitman 2 and I instantly knew I could do crazy stuff and it wasn't linear I could also understand that my particular gameplay isn't canon to the story
Yeah, the tutorial from Hitman 2 was a lot better.
I like that the story takes itself super serious because it makes doing goofy stuff funny to me. But I do agree that for first time player it doesn't show that you can be quite creative and could be added to the story.
I think one real easy fix is to allow the player to bring in some of the show comedic elements, like the rubber duck. Just imagine going through a super serious story, and then in the loadout section the first thing you see is the rubber duck, even if locked. That imo would be the perfect way to show even if players don't find it funny. Maybe even have one in the dubai mission and have diana or gray mention something if you pick it up. Somewhere easy to get to and most players would notice it.
I spent my first 100 odd hours on Hitman just getting the Sniper, Suit Only, Silent Assassin challenges and all that out of the way on every map, and then I find ways to fuck about.
Also, you unlock tools that allow experimentation late in the game. So the players are encouraged to complete mission stories the first time, and only then can they unlock cool stuff like lethal syringe or emetic briefcase, which give a lot of freedom
I think it's kind of disingenuous to talk about the scoring system like it's telling players they're doing bad when they don't play stealthily, because the scoring system is based off the whole point of the game- but it's not *necessary*. You absolutely can ignore the scoring system and play the game however you would like, and in fact like you said, some story missions are based in things that give you a technically worse score! Agent 47 is a spy assassin, he is the shadow that takes out his targets with pinpoint accuracy and precision. The scoring system *needs* to be based off not only this idea for the benefit of context and such, but for also the sheer fact that we have this long history of Hitman games that were all based in being the best spy assassin you could be. Honestly, the WOA trilogy being so open and giving you SO MANY options to play out the missions is quite incredible, and really demonstrates to me that IOI is a leader in making stealth games that also allow you to do almost anything you want to do.
At the end of the day, this is all opinions, and everyone can feel as they may. I just feel that telling a stealth game that its fatal flaw is that it... bases itself off being a stealth game just feels weird as hell.
As a new player you don't know that you can just ignore the score though. It is in fact to a lot of new players like being told they did bad.
@@weckarbad luck 😂
Nobody cares about “new players” lol. Get good at the game and actually give it a chance. Your opinion as a “new player” in ANY franchise is irrelevant.
I understand what you are trying to say, and of course these are all opinions. But I don’t think your argument holds water
1. Dubai isnt “the” tutorial. ICA training facility is. Its in the name. I would agree that the game shoudl point to it better, as it is in the prologue, but this brings me to the second point
2. Do you start reading a book series from the third book? Oh, there is prologue and hitman 1 and 2 I wonder what they could be. Me personally started with the second game, and still played the training facility before. I didn’t bought it, it was on ps plus at the time.
3. Of course killing innocent people will afect your score negatively. This isn’t a murder everyone simulation (although kill everyone challenges are really fun.) It still is a stealth game. Yes, it values sandbox experiences but at its core it is still a stealth game. You wouldn’t be a good assasin if you were always spoted.
4. Me, personally I never thought that they valued the story a lot. But they overcomplicated it, i do agree
5. I also was sometimes mildly annoyed that 47 could go over certain things that should be possible, but its just isn’t the game. The mouvement isn’t (and shouldn’t be) complicated. Not every game should have wall climb, wall run mechanics. Go play assasins creed or ghostrunner or something. Call of duty tried that, and was criticised because it wasn’t the game for those mechanics.
6. I also never thought that the game was taking itself way to much seriously, but it might be a mistake on my part
Exactly! You're right about everything man. This guy doesn't know what the hell he's talking about lol
Um, excuse me, CoD movements were AWESOME once they've introduced better climbing/"parkour" mechanics!
Also, you talk like this was an artistic choice for Hitman to prevent us from moving logically. It was not. The inability to go past any fence is a technical limitation, not a deliberate choice. I'd even call it a bug.
On a side note, I also don't like how we can't sprint in those games... Like, you kill somebody, everyone around you starts shooting but 47 just jogs, lol. There really was an issue with how they implemented normal motion in Hitman.
I agree that the creativity in the gameplay should be emphasized in the story more, but at the same time, Agent 47 has been established in the story as a perfectly silent assassin for a long time, and the story suddenly discarding this would feel weird.
As some have already stated here in the comments, the ICA Facility is what should really be considered the tutorial for the entire Hitman WoA (especially since it is one game now). Obviously, all the basic game mechanics are introduced first, but after that I think the freeform training actually did a pretty good job at introducing the sandbox aspect of the game.
Sure, it is still the goal to get a Silent Assassin rating, but that is honestly just the way the game is supposed to be played (outside of freelancer) and it still leaves the player with a tremendous amount of freedom. You can actually do almost anything SA if you really want to. The Hippo challenge with all three targets on Santa Fortuna for example: I did that SA, but you don't have to in order to complete the challenge. There are really no repercussions at all, if you don't get SA. It's just something that you can go for, if you want to challenge yourself a bit more. Same thing with SA/SO. Also, if you mess up, there is still the saving/loading mechanic in the main missions.
The thing with the cutscenes is, that they are obviously just meant to show the canonical story of the game, which is for Agent 47 to complete every mission undetected, because the story just wouldn't work out otherwise. As far as I'm concerned, that is also how it should be, because that's just who 47 is as a character. You can of course make him do some goofy stuff as the player, but 47 as a character is just meant to be the perfect assassin who completes everything SA. There are challenges and freelancer for example to show the player other ways to play, but the cutscenes somehow encouraging that would just be wrong, because it doesn't fit the story or 47 in the slightest.
All in all, I think most players who are actually interested in the game will find their way to play which gives them the most fun experience. Someone who really enjoys the game will not just play through the story once but find some map he wants to explore and complete more than just the main objective on. And once you start trying to complete some challenges, you will automatically start to realize how much freedom the game offers.
i too hate it when i have to play a game to learn how to play the game
I think that's what Freelancer does well - it's what the recent Hitman trilogy should have been.
good thing they rebranded it to “world of assassinations” so that players can start at the ICA facility, such a good tutorial
I think the tonal disconnect between the super serious story and the goofy gameplay is one of Hitman's greatest strengths. You start to realize this if you play the mission stories. In Paris, the first level, isn't it awfully convenient (and funny) that one of the world's top supermodels just happens to look exactly like Agent 47? Or in Thailand, watching 47 go ham on the drums with a completely blank expression is hilarious. Not to mention all the murder puns 47 makes throughout the game.
Unless you're going for Silent Assassin, you can goof around however you want without fear. I mean, who honestly cares about the score anyway? And even if you do, you don't need to go for a high score every time.
To me, this seems like the original hitman wanted to initially be a serious story, but at some point (whether in development or just seeing players screw around) they decided to embrace it. They still want to use the "serious" thing for the story but have it juxtaposed with the gameplay.
It could be done a lot better sure but I feel, at least based on what I had seen (watched a lot of hitman content but don't have the game myself) I feel like this is what they were aiming for. One change that might make it much more obvious it's fine to not is in the tutorial hand them a ton of those explosive ducks to work with right off the bat. Even if the player doesn't find it funny I think it'd give them an idea that it's not always serious.
Another change they could do is maybe instead of a point based system a "professional vs chaotic" type system. It would show the player that hey, killing everyone is not a bad thing in this particular series while still giving the player a reason to go "professional".
Hitman is the series that u can purchase the most recent one and have 100s of hours worth of fun because u can play all of hitman 1 and 2 aswell with a purchase or hitman 3 (or atleast I could as I own the other ones)
For example I found a lethal injection syringe and I didn’t know what to do with it
Turns out that one syringe I picked up would be the most vital thing I had in my inventory during that mission as it got me my first master mode silent assassin clear which felt really good
If poison Isnt for then u can feed a target to a hippo
Well, I feel like if a person starts with the last game in a series, they should expect to be confused. Obviously one should start with the first game...which has a stellar tutorial.
so many people with this argument. There are so many games whose sequels have a bigger player bases than original. Uncharted, Witcher, Call of Duty for crying out loud. This logic doesn't work for most people
Also ICA facility is not even a good tutorial it's barely decent
Not everyone has money to spend on 3 different games just to play it the "right order"
my bad i guess i should retroactivly buy three games and go back in time because this tutorial is shit. like hes allowed to be critical stop getting pissy for nothin
@@pedrov.8087 dude, WoA is a thing lol, the argument no longer works
I'd disagree with that. I started with persona 3 and understood everything perfectly.
Why? The tutorial understood that newer players would come in and they actually planned for that. The story itself also didn't rely on the previous games to have explained what was happening in game.
Now I'm imagining a mod where you play as Sterling Archer.
I call the ashen suit the archer suit.
Just wanna say
Most your points on people not playing story are mostly with the pros who have done it MULTIPLE TIMES
Top assasin point? That’s really only player controlled. You could do it undetected just like the game hints.
Tutorial point? Very nitpicky but I guess you have a point, it’s still a good introduction
Scripted? Didn’t you just say that you can do very goofy things
his main point is that the game presents itself as a super serious sneak simulator where you only skillfully sneak along a path instead of the varied sandbox the game actually gives you
@@kaishedan37You can sneak along whatever path you’d like…I don’t know how you could say otherwise
@@kaishedan37 who CARES how it presents itself?! It's about the gameplay, which is excellent. And also he's wrong. There are so many examples where the game presents itself in a more goofy way. All the crazy outfits, the wacky Easter eggs, the funny ways of eliminating targets just to name a few...
I agree that's a good way of putting it. It's the paradox of introducing new players without boring old ones to death at the start of the new game.
You are definitely right here. There are so many creative ways to kill your targets, but it ends up discouraging those ways by giving you less points if you do them. And when you try to get points, it almost always boils down to “go drown your target” or “go push them off a ledge” and it just narrows down the replayability so much it you actually care about getting a good score on levels. It would be cool if in the future instead of stealth, it rewards you if you are creative with how you finish the level.
Yeah I partly agree. I did play the third game first. And had no idea what to do or go most of the time. So I’d like the mission stories a lot. The challenges are fun and difficult to do, so that’s really what the game is more then the rest
Without any thought, the game seems really serious. This hardboiled James Bold type lands on this tower. But with some thinking, this is a ridiculous start. And seeing the achievements to realize that scoring is better off ignored. Especially with the clown suit, mascot, the really _really_ creative ways 47 decides to "ethically" dispatch targets. After the tutorial, I'd imagine a newbie would go "wait, there's an explosive golf ball?" And then the cogs start turning
Yeah I disagree, the tutorial is the ICA facility, you get dropped into Dubai if you've played before. Hitman 3 is my least favourite because it is more linear than the others but they were trying to round out a series so I get it. Finally on the seriousness, it's what makes the game funny. The fact the whole world behaves like he's a super badass but I can dress up as a clown and create the silliest of kills is what makes the silliness amusing. If the game was openly silly then the weird and wonderful options wouldn't feel as amusing and the core gameplay would feel too serious.
Now if you play Hitman Absolution that would be the funniest thing possible. Great video, love to see you are raising this point. As a community it's on us to point out the flaws of the games we love in a polite, mature manner so the devs and designers can out-do themselves everytime. Watching the Saints Row series die with Volition was sad, and I worry that might happen to more and more studios going forward.
Damn this comment section is brutal. Hope that you stick with your guts, you are right about most points. There is always room for improvement on the developer's side, and it is always good to point out flaws in a constructive manner, which you did. What are people on about lmao
Since I make so many videos about Hitman I expected the comments to be kinda brutal since I probably have quite a few hardcore Hitman fans, I think I could have worded some things better but I still stand by what I said. It’s fun to stir the pot a little >:)
@@onionbutter42 im not all that familiar with older hitman games, but would bet good money how the new hitman games encapsulate much better what these games are suppose to be about.
@@AngRyGohanthe tutorial in the old Hitman games are even *more* linear than in World of Assasination
He should play Hitman Absolution so that he can actually see how much freedom WOA gives already. Terrible video, few good points.
Banana and muffin are top tier weapons.
aaaand thats why we have freelancer.
The disconnect between the silent assassin style presentation and the over-the-top gameplay was definitely weird. But I don't call it a flaw, honestly. It's not hard to understand that you are indeed free to kill however you want.
Also, most people don't start with Hitman 3, especially now that it's been merged with the other games. Anyone starting these games would be introduced with the boat mission simulation from the first game. It's made of 3 times the same mission: one where you are forced to follow orders, then one where the game explicitly tells you that you are free, then a third linear mission (but the game still showed you that you were free to kill however you want, that still counts).
So it's not a problem, really. The real fatal flaw, in my opinion, is the lack of budget in Hitman 2. Not only do cutscenes go from the outstanding cinema level to stupid stills, even the maps feel rushed.
Take the first mission for example (the beach). They make you start miles from the house, then they make you thoroughly inspect that house. You see all the hiding spots, all the tools, and you KNOW there will be a fight.
.... But then the bad guys barge in, you kill your target, and then you can literally just avoid them by getting out from the balcony! Why bother making the house a complete battlefield when any sensible player would look for an exit from the balcony and find it?
And it's not the only problematic map.
Adding other objectives aside than killing is great, but the way they implemented them was sooo boring. The Maelstrom, for example : you have to identify him before killing him. Awesome! But in order to do so? You just look at random NPCs until you find him. Boriiing!
All those issues stem from the lack of budget, due to Square Enix fucking over IO Interactive. I can't imagine what these games would be like if they had the proper budget...
I recently played the Hitman 3 demo because I didn't own the game yet, and I was performance testing, and while the limited map space and directions definitely go with your point of not allowing freedom all to much, there were moments here and there that made me figure things out on my own which has someone who already played lots of hitman in the past was easy, but I also think it's just obvious enough for a new player to figure it out, just a little thing I was thinking of
You've missed the point. There are silent assassin ways to do a mission. If anything those are canon Yet there are all these over the top creative challenges that we can do for bonus weapons and so forth to keep the game fun. For example the scare crow challenges in the Colorado map or the challenge in Japan involving a baseball bat and the kill bill outfit. Neither can be done silent assassin.
I do agree the game should be $20 to $30, worst case scenario DLC. Thankfully the trilogy can be bought and treated as a full release
way to miss the point yourself buddy. this video was for sure saying there wasnt silent assasin ways to so missions. great job defending the game soldier. totally didnt miss the point of this video, which is talking about the tutorial not fully showing a new player the full extent until well after one might quit the game not understanding. good job man. cant believe i almost thought the tutorial was bad, but you can do silent assasin!!!!!!?????? how could i have been so stupid?!!??????
Not gonna lie this is definitely the “English essay analysis” of hitman videos
I don't think this argument makes sense, who's gonna jump right into the third game? Also if you want to jump or swim why not Assassin's Creed Rogue?
Hitman is only game where i dont care about rating
This was especially true when the game just launched as hitman 3 but it seems a little easier to follow now due to everything being available
I agree, but would say that I think the game's comedy is subtle, and that delicate tone is maintained by presenting itself as a super-serious spy thriller in contrast to the goofiness. I wouldn't want them to try and match the tone of the cutscenes with that of the gameplay, because the joke is not between the game's characters, it's between the game itself, and the player.
If they ditched the cinematic melodrama in favor of dark comedy in the cutscenes, then it would drag the contradictory tone of the gameplay into the light of day, where it becomes less charming, and more distracting. The audience would be forced to ask (why) a pasty-white, wax-bald statue of a man with a barcode tattoo on the back of his head is able to blend in as a street vendor in Mumbai.
By keeping dissonance in tone between the story the game is telling, and the story that you play out with 47, the underlying joke stays underlying, and avoids becoming overdone. Part of what makes Hitman so fun to engage with in a silly tone through memes or wacky gameplay, is the juxtaposition between the grim tone, and 47's disconnected, almost serendipitous interactions with the world.
the idea that you have to be super skilled to have fun is the main thing that's kept me from actually buying and trying the game out myself. even the silly kills ive seen have looked like they took a lot of dedication. love watching RUclips videos about hitman; never once looked it up on Steam.
if it's really true that even a complete newbie could have fun doing improvised shitpost kills, then maybe i might make time for it someday
Paris is the opening mission, but I do agree on the post-mission scoring and mission stories. Absolutely terrible.
@@extantfellow46 They are by no means "necessary" as older Hitman games didn't even have them.
@@extantfellow46 I don't see at all how you need mission stories for that, which railroad you into a specific path. How is that completing the mission "in your own way". H2SA's first mission, Anathema, wasn't linear whatsoever. You could even do it suit only which was a rarity back then.
Very good point. Never thought about this before but 100% true.
I think the Way the game sees itself is part of the fun. I do believe that the tutorial should be more open and that people should be able to more easaly see what it is, but the way the game sees itself, a super serious Hitman that is absolutely perfect, just harmonizes in a very funny way with the stuff you can actually do in the game. A serious Hitman in a Cosplay suit flying away, a Hitman killing someone with a Banana etc. That image that you are the best contrasts in a very nice way with what you do.
I can't tell you how many times my briefcase managed to Fumble right out of bounds into a place where I couldn't quite reach it and had to pull the plug and start the game over. Yes let me walk into a place that my briefcase manages to go but I can't get to for some stupid reason
6:01 Didn't they say there would be no more Hitman games? Meaning Hitman 3 was the last one, or did I just imagine that?
I believe they said the series will come back after they work on a different series for a while, hopefully I’m not imagining things or that would be real awkward lol
From what I remember, they said that they are taking a break.
They said they are still planning to make more HITMAN games, but they are focusing on other games right now so its going to be a while.
@@onionbutter42 Ah thanks!
Great video man
Know I am a few months behind.
But quite literally, every single person I've ever been able to see play any of the modern hitman games for the first time.
Go, at some point in the first few levels.
"Why can't I (Insert Jump, Climb or Vault) here?"
This is also why the movie adaptations fall flat: These games need to be adapted into dark comedies, not action movies.
They don't need to be adapted to film at all. The humor comes from the goofy gameplay being at odds with the narrative taking itself super seriously. If you want a dark comedy about a contract killer there's 'The Killer' from David Fincher that came out this year.
Wait... you've got a point, lol. A movie where the super serious spy acts and kills in ridiculous ways could be incredible!
That’s the way I played until I watched RUclips videos on it
I'd be happy for some more sniper assassin maps.
tip for removing guns: select the gun you want to not use, use a container, select the same gun, and remove the container, this will remove the gun from your loadout
Hm... maybe the series should stop using a set-in-stone rating system and solely rely on achievement rewards for progression?
Really hate the camera gimmick. It just feels like something they forced in just to add more content
I’m sorry, but this is a poor excuse for a video essay and seems like nothing more than a desperate attempt for clicks.
As other comments have pointed out, you conveniently leave out that Dubai is not the first mission for new players. The ICA facility is, which basically straight up tells you that you can do whatever you want. Also, notice that big #3 right next to Hitman. Pretty sure most people playing it will have experience with previous games because of that.
Your argument essentially boils down to the game sacrificing its identity for the sake of creativity. While Hitman is supposed to offer plenty of freedom, it is still first and foremost a stealth game. Its AI, its map design, and its core gameplay are all built around stealth; it’s literally a game where you’re playing as a Hitman and, contrary to what movies like John Wick show, that does not mean going in guns blazing and being a one-man army.
You also seem to think that the serious attitude of the story somehow holds back the gameplay. If anything, it enhances it for both new and old players. New players can be immersed in the world and old players can catch up on the juicy lore. Also, ever since the first game in the early 2000s, Hitman has had an incredibly serious and often grisly story. Like stealth, it’s a part of the series’ identity. And again, the tutorial makes it clear that you don’t have to be the same 47 in the cutscene and can instead throw rubber duckies at everyone.
Mission stories help new players get familiar with the mechanics and general gameplay. You seem to think you’re speaking on behalf of new players, but new players won’t know how the AI works, what they can get away with, and what the basic strategies are for completing the mission. Plus, they’re how players can see the most iconic and over the top kills, which is likely one of the main reasons someone bought the game in the first place. You also conveniently leave out that mission stories can be turned off entirely anytime.
The pinned comment here also reflects your willful ignorance of the connection, or disconnection, as decided entirely by the player, between cutscene and gameplay. You can slap Mafia bosses to death with a fish while dressed as a clown, for Pete’s sake.
The video title is also somewhat clickbait. If this were a “flaw,” let alone a “fatal” one, how has Hitman 3 been able to become both a commercial and qualitative success? By your logic, or lack thereof, wouldn’t new players have been turned away?
In conclusion, this is not a video essay. This is a poor excuse for an argument that consists almost entirely of conveniently left out yet highly significant information, clouded all or nothing logical fallacies, a complete ignorance of the series’ history and disregard for its identity, and a pride in oneself so inflated that you think you speak for new players.
This is nothing more than a desperate attempt for clicks.
I also find it funny and pathetic that you haven’t addressed a single comment debunking your ridiculous claims. You know that your argument has zero substance.
But you cant buy hitman 3 any more, its world of assassination with all maps
So do we pretend it never existed as a standalone game now...?
I didnt even knew y could do soo much
And that's why Hitman 2 has the better intro level
Honestly i think you have good points but a new hitman player should buy the trilogy and start from the beginning for the story and game play to make sence as well the game is now a trilogy now and costs £30 pounds for 20 plus maps compare to 3 games on different disks with separate maps, plus the dlc doest cost 70 dollars for 3 maps it costs like 30 for all the dlc you would want if you enjoyed the game which adds many more versions of pre existing maps aswell as adding 2 new ones in new york and haven island plus the two sniping maps which are also fun to play from time to time.
IO probably wont make another hitman game for a long time anyway so they probably won't charge anymore for dlc as they focus on adding more challenges, items, suits and ilusive targets to the game for free monthly.
So in my opinion i think your review is flawed as hitman 3 isnt how a new player should be introduced to the game it should be the ica training tests.
Bro wrote out a whole English paper 2 question 4
If you are expected to play a previous entry to understand a game's mechanics, your game has a major flaw. And ICA facility is not even that good of a tutorial, it barely passes as a decent tutorial mission.
This is certainly true now, but was not when H3 launched.
so basically
you have no free will
Not true at all 😂
Metal gear solid v is also amazing it only likes the urban areas and all of that people in a map
Splinter cell conviction was also dope
Hitman 3 did feel a bit more scripted than the other two but Hitman also included Hitman 1’s tutorial which is the real tutorial for the entire game.
Dubai is not a tutorial. ICA facility and Hawkes Bay are tutorial levels
The very start of the standard starting location of Dubai serves to introduce new players to the basic controls of the game.
@@korvo3427 No it doesnt. Only the camera which was only introduced in H3. ICA introduces the basic controls and Hawks Bay also
I thought the Blood Money newspaper article was genius. Collect all the clippings!
Tbh, I'd take 6 new maps for $70
Yea I agree first time playing hit man I was thinking it was about to be a modern time assassins creed but then I realized I couldn’t even jump😂 and throwing knifes were so slow
What is the song playing in the background at 4:56 called? I need to know
Private Firm by Dream Cave. I use epidemic sound for my music so I don't think its going to be on spotify unfortunately
@@onionbutter42Omg thank you so much! I've wanted to listen to it non stop since I heard it from you videos.
I also just found it on spotify aswell!
Hitman is definitely a stealth game at its core. How do I know that? You must play the original Hitman games to realize this; Silent Assassin and Contracts will tell you whether you were stealthy or not at the end of a mission. Stealth by definition means: a cautious, unobtrusive, and secretive way of moving or proceeding intended to avoid detection. Source was from merriam-webster.
People believe that using shadow or hiding in corners in video games automatically means stealth. They forget that there is another way to stealth as well. 47 uses disguises to avoid getting caught. The enemies see him, but they believe he is an ally therefore 47 is allowed to go anywhere. Simple as that. That's the kind of stealth IO Interactive uses in their Hitman games. As a result, players can get creative with their speedrun of the hitman games.
So 47 is like the bald MacGyver
You said you'd add him after the game. Did he respond? What did he say?
Sweet
The real tutorial in the ICA training facility is a lot better
I’m gonna be honest I really can’t understand anything being said in this video it’s creating problems from nothing I mean the Dubai intro is such a non-issue it’s insane and with exception of 1 or 2 every little fun kill can be done silent assassin with some skill I assume the issue being mentioned is that it presents itself as a stealth game whilst being more of a puzzle one in essence but any player that sticks with the game for more than a couple missions will learn that also it’s practically needed to have some more linear options with mission stories and the like simply because of how different of a game hitman is a completely new player like in any game will need some guidance and actually I think it would harm the new player experience if they just threw them into a mission with no guidance leaving them to try to figure stuff out completely on their own it’s like building blocks all players need the blocks of being guided hand in hand through a mission using a story before they can begin to develop their own strategies and experiment
Yeah I am with you. It seems that the complaint is that the game plays into it own narrative which I mean of course it does. You are a hitman, a hitman should try and be stealthy, it makes sense that you would be rewarded for doing it well. All games reward you for using its mechanics well.
Have you ever heard of this thing called punctuation?
@@nsk370 nope completely foreign concept
@@nsk370He added 3 dots at the end, this must be enough
I do think changing the framing would go miles towards better representing the strengths of the games and priming players for what is possible. Imaigne instead of the "elite assassin, never gets spotted" stuff you have a dialogue between Diana and a client prospect.
"Agent 47 is our most effective assassin by far. While his methods could be described as...."
"Unconventional?"
"...Creative, his aptitude at finding unexpected ways to eliminate his targets continue to baffle both law enforcement and the agency. Of course, he is also adept at more conventional techniques when the situation calls for it."
Bam, you're encouraging to player to get weird with it, without invalidating a more "serious" play style.
I don’t think I’ve ever gotten anything over 2 stars on a mission…
Must suck to suck
Love the channel, completely disagree with the takes, but everyone is allowed their opinion, I know at least from your other videos that you 'get' the game and arent trying to clickbait, even if I disagree with basically every point you make 😅
I will go one step further: Dubai is a TERRIBLE introductory level to a Hitman game. Its verticality makes the progression through it necessarily quite linear and at the same time disorienting. It is too complex without making up for it by being immediately interesting.
Hawkes bay probably swung the other way, but at least you're in and out of that quick to afterwards immediately be dropped into Miami.
Paris of course by design is practically perfect. It had to be, as it was all people could play for like a month.
I don't think Hitman 3 necessarily has a better 'first level' available to it. Each of them has a gimmick or two that can only be appreciated in their deviation from the norm. Mendoza is probably the exception and could if polished a bit more be a Paris for Hitman 3 - but that would require changing the story a fair bit.
Please do a Hitman Woa Map Tier List. I'm very interested in your opinion on that.
Cool video but I feel like it could be more edited so it’s more entertaining
i agree
I wish they had kept the disguises which allowed you to do anything. It was a very high risk, high reward thing.
@@extantfellow46 I should play more then.
The irony of : "i dont just want this to be an echo chamber" That you are probably doing that since hitman games are a niche, probably even more so with the new hitmans, so most of the people ( if not nearly all ) who watch this video already have vested interest in the series, nevertheless i agree that there shouldnt be any reason reason these games dont open up the market better a bit to a larger audience.
sadly Hit on men wont come back for a while though
Until they watch funny clips on YT they wouldn't take it seriously
hit that man
Who starts with hitman 3? The first one had the tutorial
Ica facality is the best
This had to be the worst take I've ever seen in a Hitman review. I've been playing it almost every day since it released in 2016. It's one of my favourite games. But I feel like I could easily shoot down any of those invalid points you made in this video 😂
Along with a lot of the other comments here, I have to say that this is a really bad take.
At no point do you make it clear that this is specifically Hitman 3, the third game in the series. The ICA facility IS the tutorial level and it gives an incredible amount of scenarios and variations to teach the player exactly what they can and can't do.
Every other video you've put out has been great but this one is just completely disingenuous and purposefully misses key information so that you can fit your own point to your own narrative.
I think it is pretty crazy of you to presume that he is being purposefully disingenuous considering this is a game that he likes. He has an opinion, even if it is one you don't agree with. Why would you assume the worst of him?
@@extantfellow46 But he has no reason to bash the game. It not like he dislikes it and therefore wants to convince you of the same thing. He clearly really likes the game. So even if you think that his opinions are bad, it is much more bad faith for you to say that he is being intentionally deceitful
Is it pink?
It should have more freedom? Mgsv had that
I always thought the contradiction was pretty funny
in the cut scenes: super professional never seen greatest assassin ever
in game: man dressed as clown kills 4 armed guards with a star fish
@@extantfellow46 Yeah I always assumed the Profesional 47 was the cannon one given how he's presented in cutscenes. Its still funny to dress up as Santa and go on a violent rampage though.
Hi
_I respect all your creative videos like beating every level without being seen for even 1 frame, that’s creative and dope, but this hot take you have on this game as depicted in this video, I can’t say I agree with.. yeah this is a puzzle solving murder simulator, but to say it isn’t a stealth game is kinda silly, and shows to me levels of immaturity and untastfulness_ 👎
100% support you
i remember getting the first hitman in the trilogy being very hyped, but then i found out that hitman doesn't HAVE a lot of items to unlock unless you sink a lot of hours in the game, and I also really liked miami but it wasn't i the game. So, I had a plan, I would get familiar with all the maps so I could get better nd then I got Hitman 3, and I was a master and unlocked all the things I wanted to use in Hitman, Snipers, Explosive ducks. And I used to hate hokkaido and paris as I found them difficult, but after playing for so long I can master them with ease and really like playing them. [ok ive typed too much. point is, practice your favourite maps to improve skill]
Is it pink???
When u live next also
I am struggling to balance making videos with schoolwork right now so im not sure :(
sorry for being so inconsistent
damn, exactly! I forgot how I get to try it, but I got really bored and quit the game after I done the assassin on the "kill the old lady in the mansion" , it is fine but... so linear, and even it is linear, the story is so bland that it feels like the game want me to focus on something else (which I never know before I watched these crazy videos online)
Will I go back to the game? probably no after the bad taste it left me, but will I keep on watching video like yours? hell yeah :D
@@extantfellow46 Made the same mistake with Hitman one. I absolutely hate Paris and quit the game for a few months after this level. I then simply skipped it, instead of forcing myself to play the story as it is recommended. Now I've finished every level and absolutely love hitman. I'm happy that i didn't give up. I still hate Paris tho