The Real Truth About Ellen White's Failed Civil War Prophecy
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- Did Ellen White make a false prophecy by predicting England would invade the United States in 1862? What is the real truth about this? Find out.
SPECIAL NOTE! I`ve recently had a fair share of comments from those who think Adventists are a cult and Ellen White is a false prophet. One particular thing they were focused on was our position on the scapegoat of the day of Atonement ceremony. I have a video specifically addressing this on my other channel. Here is the link • Seventh-day Adventists...
People are always looking for errors to discredit one God has used to help others.
I'm not sure it's worth trying to answer the critics of Adventism or EGW. It will not change the spirit of those wanting to criticize. Satan is the accuser of the brethren and his spirit is clearly seen in many of those who post their disagreements and criticism here. There is no spirit of genuine love in their comments. Those truly searching for truth as you did before becoming an Adventist will be led by the Holy Spirit to see the truth. Many want to live in sin and believe that Jesus will save them in their sin. They do not want to be healed and restored to have the other centered self-sacrificing love of Jesus. I understand your passion for wanting to defend truth and defeat the lies Satan tries to spread. I do pray that those who have been hurt by SDA's or by the abuse of EGW's writings can be healed and maybe it's better for them to be in a different setting if it truly helps them know God's love for them better.
Jesus is the only way to salvation
We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ
Yes we are saved by grace through faith. But it's a practical faith that shows itself in every day life.
@@lesmillman practical??? What men could ever do do have salvation. Of so Jesus died in vain
@@geraldabernard1425 Faith without works is dead according to James 2:20.
@@lesmillman Ephesians 2:8-9
New International Version
8 For it is by grace(A) you have been saved,(B) through faith(C)-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works,(D) so that no one can boast.(E)
@@geraldabernard1425 So are you suggesting that scripture contradicts itself?
Genuine Faith in Christ and His Grace always produces good works, but the Salvation is not the result of those good works.
This reconciles what both of you are saying on this point.
As far as Ellen White is concerned, she is a false prophet and not to be feared.
Les , I ran across your videos last night ..... Well Done , you do a good job and your presentations are well worth hearing , I like your style , you don't try to razzle dazzle , you just basically have a good Bible Study and go through the information ..... I'd love to talk to you sometime , email , whatever ...... I see you are in Canada , I'm in Texas !!!!! So "in person" is sure out of the question !!!! lol ...... I am 65 , I have been SDA all my life , I SEE things happening right now , I was taught and learned from the Bible and EGW writings , all of it coming true right now , and I have KNOWN this was coming since age 10 ..... I am 100% sure , zero doubt whatsoever , EGW is telling the truth and inspired by the Holy Spirit , and for everyone who gets bent out of shape over "she was inspired by the Holy Spirit" , how many preachers have prayed for the "Holy Spirit to speak through me today , let not my words be heard , but your words , so that you (God) may be glorified" ..... IF The Holy Spirit no longer inspires anyone (which is absurd to even suggest) , why pray that prayer ????? And the very people who criticize EGW as being inspired by the Holy Spirit , many of them claim to "speak in tongues" !!!!!! Um hellooooooo
I like your line of reasoning. Find me on sdavideos.com and we can message there if you wish.
If you call yourself "God's messenger", say that your "work includes much more than the word ‘prophet’ signifies" and claim that everything you write is from God without one single heretical sentence in all that you've written, you better bloody well get it right. And yet he's making excuses for her, urging people not to look at "the human side". She's the one who made claims that were proven false. Feel free to point out any example from scripture where a legitimate, recognized prophet of God ever got it wrong.
Jonah predicted Nineveh would be destroyed and it wasn't. Why? Because it was a conditional prophecy. Conditions changed so the Lord accepted their repentance and did not destroy them. As I quoted from Jud Lake here, the critics take issue with 0.01% of her writings. As the video's conclusion clearly states, the problem with her supposed false prophecy here is not her, but the limited view people have of spiritual things. There's a depth and a richness here that you are overlooking because she doesn't fit into a convenient little box of your own human thinking.
@@lesmillman It's clear that you and I will never come to agreement where EGW or SDA doctrines are concerned.
@@evanwindom3265 But if we can have a level of mutual acceptance as fellow believers in Jesus, then good has been achieved.
she did "bloody well get it right" ...... 100's of times , thousands of words , dozens of books ...... and guess what .... ALL BIBLICAL TRUTH IS HOLY SPIRIT INSPIRED ...... Do you not hear preachers , before a sermon , PRAY "Dear Lord , send us your Holy Spirit , speak through me , help me to be a vessel for your glory" ?????? So for everyone to get bent out of shape because she was inspired by the Holy Spirit is absurd ..... Even those good ole fashioned Hymns WERE INSPIRED BY GOD ....... This is what you people don't understand ...... Many songs are just as "inspired" as the Bible is , if it is TRUTH it is INSPIRED BY GOD ...... We just have the Bible as THE STANDARD OF TRUTH , it is basically like the US Constitution , the FOUNDATION ...... A great document , but that doesn't mean the Gettysburg Address is also NOT a Great Document , The Constitution is the CORE STANDARD ..... For us , it's the BIBLE , but that does not mean "God stopped inspiring truth" 2000 yrs ago ...... The Bible is the absolute standard God provided us ..... Go listen to some of those old hymns full of TRUTH ...... "Trust and Obey" "In a Little While We're Going Home" "Amazing Grace" Blessed Assurance" "Jesus Loves Me" "When the Roll is Called Up Yonder" "How Great Thou Art" ..... ALL OF THOSE SONGS INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT
then quote the truth!!!!!!
As an SDA, I was thinking about commenting than realized it would not be worth the abuse from both sides…. You hardly talked about the subject of the video and when you did, you seemingly quoted no actual Civil War history around what your topic was. I assume you are referring to the Trent Affair, in regards to the UK. It would have made your video more interesting, if you had looked at Mrs, White said through the lens of multiple Civil War historians on the topic.
My sole purpose with this video was to show how much all of us misunderstand this prophecy. It did come true because it's a multi-level prophecy. I do not have a university degree of any kind. I am just a layman who does his best. I found something I wanted to share and I believe the Lord showed it to me. i am glad to have your feedback though. As you can see, i am getting a lot of negativity here.
@@lesmillman I understand. Was not trying to be critical, just thought it might help your presentation. The Civil War is a challenging time in American history.
I do see the negativity that comes from ex SDA around the church they use to be a member in. At times, I wonder where their Christianity or basic humanity is, because all their approach is negative. They seemingly act if they know already who is going to Heaven and who is not, which is a sad position to take, if in Christian love they want SDAs to come out of the church. Either that or they want to launch a class action lawsuit against the church, because they felt they couldn’t wear jewelry, drink coffee or eat meat.
Granted our church is slowly dividing into two wings, and it would not surprise me in the next 25 years to see a traditional version of Adventism and a non-traditional version emerge. If there is a split it will portrayed as a split over women’s ordination, but in reality it will be over the power and authority of the General Conference to control over the rest of the church.
Anyway, keep using your ministry for God’s blessings…
@@chrissmoot7038 Thanks for the words. On this other channel I have another video dealing with Ellen White and the Civil War. I thought you might like to see it as well. ruclips.net/video/3d4FhNvNkNY/видео.html
I discussed this conditional prophecy with my masters level professor of British history at Appalachian State University. I asked him about the deliberations in Parliament about entering the war. He said, "Of course there were such deliberations." I said, "How can I document those deliberations?" He said, "They kept records." I thought: Oh well and good. Maybe some day I could make a trip to England and check it out. I didn't imagine that the records of Parliamentary discussion would be online. They are. When I discovered them, I found how insightful Ellen White's description was, and I included the evidence in my book, JOURNEYING TO THE SAME HEAVEN: Ellen White, the Civil War, and the Goal of Post-Racialism.
@@kevinmorgan8782 Thank you for your reply. I have tried to see if Mrs. White also wrote about the Florida War since that was the national news due three separate phases of the war - in 1817-19,, 1830s, and 1840s. It involved Indian removal and the slavery issue. I guess maybe God wasn’t worried about the racist removal of Indians to the Indian Territories, as He was to America’s original sin - slavery.
Nonsense
I’m wondering how you reconcile her time periods? She thought the 2nd coming would occur in the 1840s, so much so that her warnings induced Joseph Bates to write a book in 1849 and declared the “time of trouble” had already begun. Ellen White even said the sealing time had begun. Decades later she gave for the reason that Jesus hadn’t returned during that time period was because God had called off the sealing time due to unfaithful people among the advent movement.
The she declared again in 1856 that some would be food for worms, some would see the 2nd coming and be translated and others would have to undergo the 7 last plagues. Turns out all were food for worms. She was wrong again, and decades later she would declare it was the unfaithful people among the Advent movement that called off the event once again.
Then she declared once again that if only the Adventist people had accepted the 1888 message of Jones and Waggoner, that Jesus would have returned. But once again, unfaithful people were the result of her failed prophecies and utterances. Doesn’t this beg the question, or questions?? If it was the 1888 message that was rejected that resulted in Jesus not returning in that time, why wasn’t righteousness by faith, the Jones and Waggoner message, being given in the 1840s and again right at 1856? Surely the people would have responded as the people of Ninevah did to Jonah if only that had been given that warning, no?
I was in the SDA church for over 5 decades, was a 5th generation Adventist. I laid my Ellen White books down and decided to study for an entire year with just the Bible. It came alive like never before. And the scales of the deceit of Ellen White started to fall away. She was a charlatan, and she was aided by the corrupt church leaders who hid her awful teachings.
@@MaryMartinez-lm5tv Futurism is the lie. It uses the day year principle to interpret Daniel 9:24-27 but then ignores it everywhere else throughout Daniel and Revelation. Modern Israel has no place in Bible prophecy at all. The mark of the beast has nothing to do with credit cards or rfid chips. I have five videos here on this channel that refute some of these common errors. While I affirm your sincere zeal, like Saul before Jesus appeared to him, it is misdirected.
I've been studying with the SDAs for the past few yrs, and was receptive to what they teach. Though I've not read much of EW and was a bit wary of her, and the 1844 prophecy seemed a bit strange to me. So in recent months I was listening to a few challenges to adventism, but nothing really stuck, and I got no clarity. So I was praying sincerely many times, and I mean in a deep and sorrowful way, a sorrowful longing for the truth. Then whilst preparing a study for Sabbath school I came across the cleansing of the sanctuary. Then God led me into this, and opened my eyes so clearly, was amazing. My conclusion, and I spent many hrs and days going over Daniel's prophecies, is that there is Zero substance to the 1844 prophecy. No connections between the little horns, nor the vision in ch 9 explains ch 8 vision. I read the acct of antiochus and he fits perfectly. He was trying to wipe out the faith in Israel. I did several word studies, which every one of them even further removes any supposed connections. The word used for saints in ch7 is different to the holy people in ch8. The word for vision in ch9 vs 23 is different to the ch8 vision. Ch 8 days is broken down into literal mornings and evenings, whereas the prophetic days in ch12 vs 11 is a word that can be figurative for a period of time. Cleansing in ch 8 means to restore, and is different to the cleansing of the sanctuary ceremonially. And clearly the little horn in ch8 comes out of Greece, and cannot be Rome. As in ch7 rome is it's own beast, and the little horn there comes from within it. Also how does Gods heavenly sanctuary get trodden underfoot?? Or how can a transgression make the heavenly sanctuary desolate?? Was rome doing away with the daily sacrifices for those hundreds of yrs before Jesus came? The SDA interpretation is entirely false. It is assumption built upon false assumption, that builds an entirely false structure. Regarding the investigative judgement, well that collapses because 1844 is a lie. But just to be sure, which sanctuary is being cleansed by Jesus's blood? It is the sanctuary within us, that the Holy Spirit may dwell within us, and we are born again.
Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
Sprinkled with the blood of Christ
Theres no rule saying that a day is for a year. It works sometimes, other times not. We shouldn't assume. 2300 evenings and mornings is specific language used to connect it to literal evening and morning sacrifices.
These FALSE prophecies above makes E. G. W. false prophet. You can't get away from the truth. God hates false prophets and those whose associate with false prophets. If your defense is these were conditional prophecies than that is a cop out and a delusional belief. At that point I can say anything I deem prophetic and say it was conditional afterward of it fails. Stop teaching error.
@@YarredC If you had the truth,you wouldn't have to be so rude. Note the kindness and self-assuredness with which I spoke here. When your faith is really in Christ and not yourself. you will be emotionally secure.
This was clearly for Adventists who are struggling. As a non Adventist this is not persuasive at all.
Most of my audience has been from existing church members yes. As far as persuading someone like you, I would rather do that with the Bible study videos here. There are 83 so far praise God. Back in 2009 I started by making a series based on the three great questions of life. "Who is God?" What has He done for me?" "What does He want me to do for Him in return?" After finishing those, I did 5 on how futurism is not biblical called "Popular Theories on End Time Events". Recently I've been making musical meme videos with Bible verses and quotes from other Christian sources, including some from Ellen White. That the vast majority of my videos quote the Bible and not her should be an example to all that SDA theology is centred in Christ.
Ellen White herself wrote "The Lord has sent His people much instruction, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, and there a little. Little heed is given to the Bible, and the Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light."
You SDA folks are way too obsessed with Revelations and "endtime prophecy". The Gospel of our Savior, the Christ himself, should be the majority focus in any Christian Church. The end will come whenever it will, your soul should be prepared and not even worried about the end.
In some ways I agree with you. When i was searching for truth and the Lord brought my Adventist girlfriend/fiancé into my life, I thought the same thing - Jesus over prophecy. The impression you have is something we need to work on. But also, if your only contact with us is what you hear when a big name speaker comes to town and does a month long series of meetings discussing prophecy, those people who get baptized at the meetings are usually people who've been studying 'the basics' of the gospel for up to a year. I came in through one-on-one study alone. And in the course of about 30 Bible studies we went through each member of the Trinity, Satan's story, why we suffer, forgiveness, creation, justification, sanctification and many more topics. I didn't attend my first prophecy seminar until I had already been baptized.
As for your last statement, yes the end will come. But how many difference interpretations of prophecy are there out there? One Pentecostal Pastor who became an Adventist said to me that in his 20 years as a Pentecostal he had been exposed to six different views on the rapture. Well at least five of them must be wrong? So what about those who, though sincere, end up on the wrong side due to their choice of an incorrect view of prophecy? There is a place for the gospel and a place for prophecy. A right understanding of prophecy will also see the gospel within it.
You have spent so much time defending Ellen White but no time to defend the gospel of Jesus Christ. Are SDA's worshipping Ellen White?
Good words in one sense. My defense of the gospel is the content of every video. I try to make sure whatever I talk about somehow relates back to the cross. When I get specific responses here, I am trying to respond accordingly. As I quoted Jud Lake in the video, what people find fault with about EGW is literally 0.01% of her writings. So the various points of doubt being discussed here all fall within that category. If you are interested, here is a link to a chapter of one of her books so you can read her for yourself. ssnet.org/blog/why-was-sin-permitted/
And no, we don't worship EGW. Jesus Christ is the true centre of Adventist theology.
Really? I cringe every time I hear an SDA refer to EGW as "the Spirit of Prophecy" when Revelation 19:10 clearly states:
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
@@lesmillman
I understand completely@@guymontag349. I think the reason why people do this is to separate the person of Ellen from the gift, especially considering the story of how William Foy and Hazen Foss also had visions. In the early 90's I came across an article about an Inuit man named Mannilaq. He lived somewhere near the same time in the midst of a people group that had not been contacted. When French missionaries came later on, his followers were keeping the Sabbath and yet their society had no concept of a week because they lived at the Arctic Circle.
@@guymontag349 That is one of the three verses we refer to as Bible evidence we are the Remnant church. The others are Revelation 14:12 and 12:17. The true church for the last days has born again faith, all ten of the Ten Commandments, and the spirit of prophecy.
She wasn't saved. People are heading to hell because of her deception
Don't be rude.
@@lesmillman--- so the Bible is rude when it gives warnings
SDA is an idea spawned from the serpent himself and is deceiving millions
quote----She wasn't saved. People are heading to hell because of her deception.. unquote
That is a worthless OPINION!!!
NO FACTS!! NO scripture!!!
Where is hell?? GRAVE!!!!
@@mitchellosmer1293 read your Bible. Just because you don't believe doesn't make it false
I didn't even know you were a sda person until you showed your offense.
When religion obsesses about ANYTHING other than the FINISHED work of the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation it is a HUGE red flag .
The cross is a finished work and we do believe that. But neither you nor I are in heaven yet are we? The application of the merits of the cross takes a lifetime for believers and is never finished in this life. That's called 'sanctification'. And Adventism emphasizes that. Sometimes a little too much, which leads others to wonder about our view on justification. That's on us. Watch my video on the subject at this link: ruclips.net/video/52mAsEqk0es/видео.html
@@lesmillman"Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
@@Elizabeth-rk3do Watch my testimony and you will see I am born again.
@@lesmillmanHOW CAN U SAY BOLDLY UR BORN AGAIN WHEN UR SOP CLEARLY ALL FROM ADAM MUST PASS THROUGH THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT THROUGH EMENSE SCRUTINY SOME NAMES WILL BE ACCEPTED SOME WILL BE REJECTED?
@@lesmillman we are sanctified and Sealed by the Holy Spirit when we repent and accept Salvation. This is in the Bible
Could you explain why the comments are failing to post?
No I cannot. As I said elsewhere, I am not too tech savvy.
As I have said above 'There are several people who are upset thinking I am not allowing them to comment. I found the answer to the problem. The default setting of "Hold Potentially Inappropriate Comments for Review" was on. I have now switched it to "Allow All Comments". That should fix it. however I will say to anyone who thinks SDAs teach the devil is the Scapegoat. You are seriously wrong and that is a terrible thing to say. I assure you we do not teach that. See my video "VBS 14 What is Jesus Doing Now" for an overview of the Sanctuary doctrine and the four-part series of "Response to Ten Minute Bible Hour" videos for an explanation of why evangelicals find the Sanctuary doctrine so hard to accept.'
@@lesmillman you do teach that the devil becomes ( the sin bearer)!! you're not telling the truth. And no there is no sanctuary functioning going in heaven it is not possible! Jesus says there is no sanctuary functioning going on in heaven it's not. Happening you're making Jesus Christ a liar you've already lied about the zero between AD and BC it doesn't exist!.
@@JamieElison No you are lying to yourself. I've been in the church 37 years. Not once has anything ever been said or written that I have seen or heard that has ever suggested anything like what you have said. Either you drop this line of reasoning or I will hide you from my channel.
@@lesmillmanyou gotta quit doing that until you read the investigative judgment by Ellen g white. Maranatha page 251. In the middle of the third paragraph read it .otherwise you're not going to be dealing with the truth ever again!
What I know and read in Exodus 20:9 the lord said to work 6 days and not the seven day , maybe to appreciate what our lord Jesus christ did for us the whole world including us to see how great is our God , I don't know why people want to make easy things so difficult our savior is Jesus christ amen
What about creatures on Jupiter that EG White saw?
Joseph Bates jumped to the conclusion that she was seeing Jupiter because he did not know any better. How many thousands of other planets has NASA now discovered that orbit other stars? I have a video called "Bible Proof There's Life on Other Planets". I ask that you watch it. This is part two of my series on the conflict between science and Christian faith. To get the full picture, you need to start with part one. But here is the link for part two itself. ruclips.net/video/NTnCQKMUvDA/видео.html
Not biblical at all.
Mrs. Truesdail's letter, Jan 27, 1891
"In vision, then, Mrs. White was taken to see these planets, and as she talked about them, describing them, Captain Bates, his face wreathed in smiles, would say, 'Now she is viewing Jupiter,' and, 'She is describing Saturn,' and so on. She told much more than astronomers knew about these, for they are not sure the planets are inhabited, but she saw that they are. On Saturn she saw good old Enoch, who was translated five thousand years ago, without dying. He said that was not his home, that he was only visiting there, that he lived in heaven, where God dwells, and there he was waiting until the earth should be restored as it had been in Eden. The people of these worlds were all very much more beautiful and strong than the people of earth, for sin has never entered there."
Again I reply to you@@johnsix.51-69 with the same words as to the above @rivoendre. Watch the video links and you will see a lot of Bible evidence for life on other planets. The letter you quoted and Joseph Bates were making their best human guess according to the information they had. Now we know much more about the universe and what we see in our telescopes is what the Bible calls 'heaven' as the videos will prove. You yes it is biblical. The only reason you don't now think it is is because of you own limited understanding of the Bible. Once you watch the videos that understanding will be expanded and you will see more clearly. Is that what you want?
didn't what she said. She did not name a place. It was Capitan Bates who said that. People do not read the whole Passage.
@@rickhuntling7338 Nice opinion. Not a once of actual proof. Just your conjecture.
Seventh-day Adventists who are baptized believers in Adventist doctrine (28 Beliefs) are not Christian. Adventism teaches doctrines which are cursed in the bible. For example, the Adventist gospel message of 3 Angels Messages is not found in the bible and according to Gal. 1:6-9 this gospel is cursed. A church which preaches a gospel which is cursed is not Christian. Adventism is not Christian and not part of the larger Protestant Christian community.
Galatians 1:6-9: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
The gospel is in the three angel's messages. See my video 'The Essence of Adventism' ruclips.net/video/gAYiS7Iu_O4/видео.html
As for the rest of your post, Evangelical Christianity plays games with words trying to make it seem like the Ten Commandments have no place in the salvation process at all. They are so upset about things like gay marriage and yet their own gospel's teaching should allow any kind of sin to be permissible. The only time they go on and on about the law being done away is when it comes to the Sabbath question, Saturday or Sunday? The gospel of the three angel's messages is the one that teaches true grace is not only forgiveness for past sins but also power to do the right thing. I have an entire video on that as well. It is the featured video on my channel:
ruclips.net/video/HQl_IXnM2Cc/видео.html
So who really is preaching this gospel from Matthew 24:12-14 and who really is preaching the other gospel of Galatians 1:6-9 you quoted?
If you are a reasonable person you will watch these two videos and consider the Bible verses that prove their points. If you are not then please go away. I have no interest in dealing with haters.
@@lesmillman I watched and it was in this video that the gospel was mentioned and why I posted the comment. The SDA church teaches a false gospel and according the scriptures (Gal. 1:6-8) is cursed for this false 3 angels gospel. The SDA church has consistently preached this gospel message and continues to declare it, such as publishing it as the official mission statement of the SDA church.
The Saving Gospel is defined in I Cor. 15:1-4 as the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and this gospel was received by him from Jesus (Gal. 1:11-12). The gospel message of the SDA church is composed of the gospel messages of these three angels (Sabbath worship, fate of Babylon and reject Mark of the Beast). The SDA gospel is not the same gospel as the saving Gospel of the Bible divinely revealed to the Apostle Paul and because the SDA teach a false gospel they are accursed (Galatians 1:8)
The SDA church also makes it clear it cannot preach the gospel of the Apostle Paul (1) and states this message is a message for "the day." However, the SDA church errors from the bible. The Apostle Paul taught that anyone preaching "any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" (Gal. 1:8) (2) and this gospel he received by divine revelation of Jesus (Gal. 1:11-12) (3). The Apostle Paul defines the saving gospel in I Corinthians 15:1-4 (4). Because the SDA church cannot preach the saving gospel of the Apostle Paul (1), it has placed the curse of Galatians 1:6-8 upon its own head and preaches a gospel that the Apostle Paul never taught or preached.
*REFERENCES*
1. “To the Seventh-day Adventist Church has been committed, this message. The everlasting gospel was preached by Noah, by Abraham, by Paul and Peter, and by all the prophets and apostles of past ages. It was preached in the setting appropriate to their day. We cannot preach this gospel message as Noah preached it, or as Paul or Luther gave it. It is for us to preach it in the setting of God's great threefold message of Revelation 14.”
The Advent and Sabbath Review Herald. November 29, 1934. p.1
2. Galatians 1:6-8: I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
3. Galatians 1:11-12 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel. (12) For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.
4. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4: Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you-unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures
@@AcademyApologia Jesus face similar criticism from the Jews of His day. Mark 2:21-22 "No one sews a piece of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; or else the new piece pulls away from the old, and the tear is made worse. And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine bursts the wineskins, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But new wine must be put into new wineskins.”
His teaching did not contradict the Old Testament. The Jews of His day did not understand the Old Testament. So His teachings seemed like something entirely new to them. It is the same for us. We do preach Christ in a way that says 'He died for you and rose again' despite the lie you tell yourself. Then we show people what the Bible says God wants us to do for Him in return. The gospel you speak of claims to preach Christ, but without the proper follow up you get to be in charge of your own life without any real submission to the Lord. Remember Christ's words in MATTHEW 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Who are the many here? The majority of people within the church. That means those who teach the popular gospel. It's the false gospel. Now go away or I will hide you from my channel.
@@lesmillman You did not address a single fact of my comment regarding the Adventist Everlasting/3 Angels gospel. You can hide me, but I recognize you are a coward and did not address the facts. You are welcome to try again and address the facts.
I am fully convinced Ellen White was a false prophet. For one I do not believe there is any expectation there will be additional prophets because Christ has already come (Hebrews 1:1,2).Second, all the failed prophecies she had like the shut door prophecy also disqualifies her. I personally believe there was the opposite of a heavenly influence on mrs white.
people can not change, what God has established. the Catholics are not the church but many Catholics are apart of the church. the gift of prophecy is not given to the church by itself. the gifts are plural. why would God give multiple gifts to the church, and some how remove them then only give one back and stop it at her death? can any person receive one of the gifts and if so, why has no one in Adventism done so?
There is no Bible guideline on when, where or to whom the Lord gives the gift of prophecy. But looking at many Old Testament stories, they are decades and generations apart at times. The gift when given is for all time because of the words written by the prophets. We have enough with the Bible and EGW. If we need more, God will give it to us when it is appropriate.
There is also a format to His giving of prophecy. A prophet is called to give a prophecy that will cover many years beyond that prophet's lifetime. To explain the prophecy, another prophet is raised up at the time the prophecy is about to be fulfilled. During the in between time, people are to wait. They have the first message and there is something in it that will help them in their time. It is not the entire message because the time for fulfillment has not come. But it will meet their needs for the moment.
@@lesmillmanthat’s not so. God sent Isaiah and Jeremiah to Israel and told them what was coming if they didn’t repent and turn back to Him. Noah warned for 120 years.
I'm sorry you've had a hard time seeing the truth, but they began to worship on Sunday during the new testament, and we still had the Book of Revelations revealed to us. That idea that the we stopped receiving prophesies when we stopped worshipping on Saturday hold no water.
Sorry you are incorrect. Jesus gave a prophecy referring to the fall of Jerusalem and said "pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath", Matthew 24:20. And since Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, John received the Revelation on "the Lord's day", which is the Sabbath. Sunday keeping came after and that is what the verse I quoted in Lamentations is referring to.
Cross reference Isaiah 30:13 with Ezekiel 22:28
Therefore this iniquity shall be to you
Like a breach ready to fall,
A bulge in a high wall,
Whose breaking comes suddenly, in an instant.
Her prophets plastered them with untempered mortar, seeing false visions, and divining lies for them, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord God,’ when the Lord had not spoken.
For sin to be a breach in a wall, the wall must therefore be the Ten Commandments since sin is the transgression of the Law according to 1 John 3:4KJV. 'Untempered mortar' is used five times in Ezekiel to illustrate some sort of compromise to that wall. Think about the illustration. The bricks seem to hold together but under the testing time, they fail. This is clearly what Sunday worship is. Sunday is MY Sabbath, the day I make holy by going to church. The Seventh Day is His Sabbath, the day He makes holy by the revelation of Himself.
My brother she is no Prophet! ALL THE VISIONS SHE CLAIMS TO HAVE HAD WILL pretty much every day literally would make you the most important person in the bible and Christianity outside of Jesus, more important than his Apostles and Prophets, more important than Apostle Peter who Jesus gave the keys to The Kingdom Heaven in Mattew 16:19, you would have to be more important than the Apostle Paul who wrote 13 of the 27 books of the New Testament and was the Apostle for the Gentiles. You should be more important than the minor and mayor Prophets of the Old Testament including Isaiah who God used to prophesied the Virgin birth of Jesus. Also the test of A TRUE PROPHET IS NEVER WRONG!!!! AND NEVER CONTRADICTS THE WORD OF GOD!! SHE WAS WRONG!!!!!
Scripture records that on eight different occasions during the Old Testament period God took on a human-like form. Some of these appearances were as the Angel of the Lord. They include an appearance to Hagar - the mistress of Abraham. The Lord also appeared to Abraham and Sarah at Mamre. There was also an appearance to Abraham at Mount Moriah.
God Appear to Moses, and Why? God may have appeared to Moses more times than we know, but we do have the biblical record of at least nine appearances that came at different times whenever Moses ascended Mount Sinai.
If we look back to the Old Testament, there were indeed prophets-some of which spoke God’s word, but some of which also led God’s people astray. This is why the Israelites were called to test the prophets. There were of course the prophets, whose prophecy was considered the infallible, inerrant revelation that we find in the Bible.
Prophet Amos: 5 Visions, Revelation by Apostle John: records total 7 visions, Zechariah: 8 Visions, Daniel: 4 Visions (Over period of 70 years), Prophet, Ezekiel:9 Visions, Isaiah: 2 Vision, Jacob: 1 Vision, Jeremiah: 2 Visions, Apostle Peter: 1 Vision, Apostle Paul: 3 Visions
In the early days of Christianity, prophets played a crucial role. They proclaimed messages from the Lord to believers, filling the gap when the New Testament was not yet complete.
Some messages were revelatory (new truths from God), while others were predictive (foretelling future events).
These prophets were foundational to the church, as mentioned in Ephesians 2:20.
Completed Revelation:
The New Testament, including the book of Revelation, was eventually completed.
With the full revelation of God’s Word now available, the need for prophets to reveal new truths has diminished.
The essence of prophecy is to speak for God, and any message today must align completely with what God has already revealed in the Bible.
Testing the Spirits:
As believers, we are instructed to test everything against Scripture (1 Thessalonians 5:20-21).
If someone claims to be speaking for God, we must compare their message to the Bible.
If it contradicts Scripture, it should be discarded; if it aligns, we seek wisdom in applying it (2 Timothy 3:16-17; James 1:5).
No More Apostles or Prophets:
God can still give messages to individuals, but these messages must harmonize with the Bible
Turning to the New Testament, we see the same phenomenon. There were the prophets-namely, the apostles-appointed directly by Jesus to speak authoritatively in his name, under the Spirit’s inspiration. Then there were also ordinary prophets that the Spirit led to speak God’s word in certain situations. Other prophets are also mentioned, although what they actually prophesied isn’t written. We aren’t to question God’s prophets, but the prophets in the book of Acts were fallible and had to be tested.
Many people will point to Ephesians 4:11-14 as proof that prophets and apostles still exist today:
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Something important to note here is that it says he “gave” apostles and prophets, using the past tense. I think he gave them but doesn’t keep giving them. Just as there are no more apostles, there aren’t any prophets today in the way that there were when Christ was just beginning to build his new covenant church. We have God’s written New Testament now. The foundation has been laid. There’s no need for growth of that foundation-it has been laid, and now we’re building on it. To build on that foundation, the offices of evangelists and pastors continue today. Elsewhere Paul also mentions elders and deacons, but in this passage of Ephesians, he’s focusing particularly on the ministry of the word, because that ministry of the word through preaching and teaching is what creates, builds up, and expands Christ’s body.
It’s also worth noting that in 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1, when elders and deacons are discussed as an office that will continue in the church, we see a list of qualifications for those offices. We don’t see that same list of qualifications for prophets or apostles, because Paul realizes that these extraordinary offices were only for that foundation-laying period of the church. I really think what Paul is saying here is that prophets and apostles were necessary to bring the church to maturity-to adulthood. Now what we need are pastors and teachers to lead us through those Scriptures, who build on that foundation so that we will stand on the day of Jesus Christ.
A particularly useful passage that isn’t mentioned as often in this conversation is found in Daniel 9:24 that reads, “24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy..” Putting an end to sin and atoning for iniquity-these are what Jesus himself accomplished on the cross. In the accomplishment of redemption and the work of Jesus Christ, there’s no need for new revelation. It’s sealed up. What we need in the church today are pastors and teachers who are faithfully going to take that faith-once for all given to the saints-to the world and build on that foundation.
1. The God who took on human form was Jesus. God the Son came to represent the Trinity on earth because sin cuts us off from the Father, see Isaiah 59:1,2.
2. Lamentations 2:9, the last half, explain why the gift of prophecy was withdrawn from the church. "The Law is no more, And her prophets find no vision from the Lord." When the church changed the Sabbath from the Seventh Day to Sunday, God stopped calling prophets.
3. Revelation 10:11 clearly says the gift will return in the last days. 'And he said to me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings."'
4. Therefore the only church that can have a prophet is one which keeps the true Sabbath.
5. And if you look in the index of any of Ellen White's books and count the number of Bible verses she quotes, it's in the hundreds for her larger books. She agrees with the Bible.
@@lesmillman I agree with you on everything except you can't give me a scripture saying God stopped calling them prophets because Constantine changed the Sabbath. Happy Sabbath my brother in Christ
@@JaniceGonzalezz The Scriptures I gave you give evidence of just that very thing. No, Constantine is not mentioned by name but there is also Daniel 7:25:
He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.
The Popes of the Dark Ages would burn at the stake and excommunicate people who did not agree with their teachings. And the Catholic Church still claims the right to the power it has by the fact that they changed the Sabbath. Therefore they fulfill the 'pompous words' and 'intend to changes times and law'.
From a brief look at your channel, it seems a little too much emphasis is there on exposing darkness rather than lifting up the truth and letting the truth do that for you. I know I can sometimes go that way myself. It's hard when there is so much evil around us. But what's right with the truth is what counts. Here's an Ellen White quote I am sure you will agree with form Evangelism, p. 166
"The best way to deal with error is to present the truth, and leave wild ideas to die for want of notice. Contrasted with truth, the weakness of error is made apparent to every intelligent mind."
Sir the same greek word "telos" is used in john 19 , vrs 30 after Christ having drank the vinegar " said it is finished "telos".
The word end in greek telos synonyms r as follows
An end
Fulfillment
Completion
Goal or aim.
R u allowing the scriptures to interpret themselves or r u picking the synonyms which suits ur beliefs?
Because if ur interpretation is correct how do u interpret the following?
1. Luke 16,16 for the law and the prophets ie the OT were until john since that time the good news 8s preached and all is pressed into it.
Galatians 3, 24
Wherefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ BUT now that faith has come we are no longer under the tutor.
2nd corinthians 3 7 BUT IF the ministry of death written and engraved in stones was glorious so that the children of Israel could not behold steadfastly the face of Moses b3cause of its glory transitory as it was how much more will the ministry of the spirit which gives life be more glorious.
Allow scriptures to interpret themselves not reading wat u believe3 into the scriptures
Who was it among you that claimed that the SDAs are the chosen remnant church.
And, why are Ellen G White writings held on the same level as the the Bible. I was excommunicated from a church because I refused to accept that they were the bride of Christ. That was after 40yrs. The similarities between the SDAs and the church that kicked me out and split my family.
Did you watch this video? I have a quote in here on how we do not hold her writings as equal. And she herself said that. She herself wrote "The Lord has sent His people much instruction, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, and there a little. Little heed is given to the Bible, and the Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women to the greater light." I am very sorry that other church kicked you out. We are different. Please give us a chance.
EG White's writing are NOT held on the same level as the Bible!
@@biblesayslifeotherplanetsguythere is no other light! Only Jesus! Any other is satan!
I used to attend once in a while a 7th Day Ad. church. I 'm sure there are saved borrn again saints in the movement. However, many strange doctrines and prophesies cast a dark shadow upon this movement. When you think you are the only one who has the truth, and the true remnant, then something is very wrong.
Well when you consider that many times during ancient Israel's history only a small minority were truly following God, it makes sense at times today things would be similar. See 1 Kings 19:18 "Yet I have reserved seven thousand in Israel, all whose knees have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that has not kissed him.”
And also, if the confusion in the Christian world today is the result of many different people injecting their own opinions into Scripture, would it not make sense that the Lord would bless any person or group that was like the Bereans? Acts 17:11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.
The Bible is one book with one message, yet with so many denominations, the Lord is able to sort out who is sincere in each. See my video on Present Truth for a rundown on how we can claim we're the true church, yet not be arrogant about it. ruclips.net/video/zwHJZDKEebA/видео.html
I never really took a close look at Adventism. After watching your video, the computer popped up this video ruclips.net/video/c37bNhYzdbE/видео.html
Please watch, don't just say he has an ax to grind as a former Adventist. I looked at Dan 8:14. There is no way ( and many Adventist teachers, and professors know this ) it can mean what Ellen White says. I also noticed the mixing of grace and law. Do you have certainty of your salvation or are you waiting to find out? Then I hear that as the JW's have told me Michael the archangel is the Lord Jesus Christ??
Love does cover a multitude of sins, but only if Jesus is God in the flesh JN.1, full payment has been made at the cross, and you are regenerated ( born again ) by the Holy Spirit, Rom.3:21 3:25,26, ! Jn.1,2; Heb.9:14-16, etc., etc.
Has the Clesr 7th day translation of the Bible changed many passages to reflect Ellen White's teachings, and prophecies>. Also 300,000 members are leaving every year? It is dangerous to "overthrow the faith of some". May the Lord Jesus Christ open your eyes.
In Christ's love, Peter
Knowing the history of the millerites, the great disappointment, 1844, the failed dates and this strange concept that Christ moves in the sanctuary in heaven on some random date in 1844 (when prior to that were some other failed dates), and some random people in new england have all this special revelation.....its just strange that people believe all this. on top of that it was during a time when other apostate christian groups started popping up out of the same restorationist movement. It just is so suspect. The restorationist movement spawned the JWs, Mormons, Christian Science, Church of Christ.
We're the truth and the rest are counterfeits of us. I say that humbly though as I did in the following videos.
On the Shut Door ruclips.net/video/Rk-AKRq7L_o/видео.html
On the true church being a thing of humility ruclips.net/video/zwHJZDKEebA/видео.html
@@lesmillman in my opinion the restorationist movement was a troubled movement that was misguided and I would say any org that came out of it would therefore most likely be apostate.
@@lesmillman Curious if you have heard of or watched videos by Answering Adventism on RUclips?
@@lesmillman you can't say humbly a statement like "we're the truth" as in a specific org/denomination. You can say something is the truth...like Christ is the truth and the Gospel is the truth but to say "we are the truth" is cultish language.
@@finray2 yes I was responding that way for the specific purpose of answering your first comment on this thread. Jesus is the Truth, the Bible is the Truth and the Ten Commandments are the Truth. I have an entire video on that, link below. I think Revelation's use of the word 'Remnant' shows the humility you are discussing. We the church only follow the truth as He reveals it to us. He gets the credit and we don't. I do understand this.
It's just that what you said was basically "how can we say we're any different than all the rest who came up around the same time we did." The Bible verses we quote to support our views are not verses we wrote ourselves. The Lord lead John to write them 1928 years ago knowing how history was going to play out. He wants one faith and one baptism at the end. I believe that faith is Seventh-day Adventism. That is why I am here.
This is an old video I am sharing with you but I am sure you will agree the theology here is balanced and biblical. ruclips.net/video/CTwBJJ6XV9I/видео.html
If you read what she wrote on the Civil War it is a maybe that she states.
So try reading the actual prophecy.
God is love.
I did and you just repeated the point I was trying to make here. Except you missed the next level understanding I was sharing at the end. The supposed false prophecy is a stumbling block, a test. Though England did not invade the US, the prophecy came true in WW1 AND WW2.
Again it was a maybe if somethings happened.
Sadly world war 1 and 2 lead to two world wars. So yes there were world wars that included England.
Sir, no one is being rude when we warn you. You receive many many warnings. In eternity you WILL remember these conversations if you don't ask the Lord for HIS warnings for you
I am confident after many years of study that the Seventh-day Adventist Church is the Remnant church of Revelation 12:17;14:12:19:10. That in and of itself does not in any way allow us to think we're better than other Christians or that we alone will be saved. We fully believe there are true hearted, sincere people in all churches, and some in other faiths. So for anyone here to write us all off as being 'of the devil' is rude. Watch any of my videos and you will clearly see a biblically based theology.
@@lesmillman l have not been rude but " study " as l hear so many sda folks say does not mean that you have " rightly divided" scripture as we are exhorted to do.
If you don't rightly divide scriptures you make a mess of God's word.
God has not given up on His people the remnant of Jewish people who He names in revelation. It's not talking about sda people as gentiles.
It's speaking about the tribes of Israel that HE has a remnant for HIS gifts and promises and everlasting covenant
If He didn't keep HIS promises to them HE will NOT keep HIS promises to us. We are no better than them
Sorry @@Over-for-now but the church replaced Israel as His chosen people in 34 AD. Galatians 3:7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
Romans 2:29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.
It's futurists who do not rightly divide the Word. On the lesmillman channel there is a playlist of eight videos showing how the ideas of futurism are incorrect and giving the truth instead. Here's a link ruclips.net/video/DpV7NjcJOTA/видео.html
If he were indeed lost, he'd remember NOTHING, being DEAD. The soul that sins, DIES. Doesn't float off to the big barbecue down in the bowels of the earth, that great pagan con job that so-called 'Christians' are so fixated on believing.
You sound like the kind of person that would LOVE a front seat to the torment of unrepentant souls throughout eternity, which is what about sums up the celestial experience the "saved" can expect, serving such an arbitrary and vengeful 'god' like the one you're painting. Sorry to burst your bubble, but, DEATH is the result of disobedience, NOT eternal roasting. You can't take one allegorical passage out of scripture and weave an entire religion around it.
Here's MY warning to you... you're on a slippery slope, doctrinally speaking.
@@rockwellrhodes7703Your post shows how angry you are at God. You will remember for all eternity all the warnings you had.
Luke 16- The rich man in hell was well aware of his past life.
So former members are disgruntled? You miss the point ENTIRELY!
I went through a phase where I was ready to leave because the church board wasn't doing things my way. It was one individual lady who kept saying "praise God for you" that kept me going. Then I read a book I comment on in one of my other videos "Help For ExSDA's". It's an old video, the quality is not that good but it is my most successful video here. ruclips.net/video/DAq4uBGWFKw/видео.html I will also put it into the end screen of this video.
I had a burden to make videos because of all the anti-SDA stuff I saw when I first checked out RUclips in 2006. I hope I have helped people but I make no apologies for anything I said in this video. The particular books I refer to were written by people who are just whining in my opinion.
Some former members are more than disgruntled….like me, many are angry at the level of deception that has been carried out by church leaders and the White Estate.
@@rayray4192 You don't know my story. I accepted Christ at Baptist Bible camp at age 10 and interacted with Pentecostals at age 20. Their doctrines did not add up. Watch my testimony video "The Real Truth About Seventh-day Adventism" for the whole story.
There are several people who are upset thinking I am not allowing them to comment. I found the answer to the problem. The default setting of "Hold Potentially Inappropriate Comments for Review" was on. I have now switched it to "Allow All Comments". That should fix it. however I will say to anyone who thinks SDAs teach the devil is the Scapegoat. You are seriously wrong and that is a terrible thing to say. I assure you we do not teach that. See my video "VBS 14 What is Jesus Doing Now" for an overview of the Sanctuary doctrine and the four-part series of "Response to Ten Minute Bible Hour" videos for an explanation of why evangelicals find the Sanctuary doctrine so hard to accept.
The scapegoat was/is merely a fancy way of illustrating the unrepentant being 'sent away' and left to their fate in the 'desert'... oblivion. Revelation states it's divine fire that ultimately destroys the unrepentant... which doesn't involve roasting them for eternity in some subterranean barbecue pit. LOL! How can any intelligent person buy any of this pagan crap?
are you serious? SDA have always taught and still do that Satan was symbolised by Azazel the Scapegoat in Lev 16.
@@mikeforfar9493 That anyone would say such a terrible thing about us shows how little that person really knows of the Scriptures. Here's a link to the truth. Are you an open minded person or not? ruclips.net/video/We8E6ayXf3g/видео.html
@@mikeforfar9493 That's what I said.
PART (1) will be about 1)The false (gospel) SDA'S believe, teach, & preach; & 2)(disgruntled). Your assertion about Former SDA'S saying negative, blunt, crude (disgruntled) things against SDA'S just not true. Former SDA:S left the SDA Church for Theological Reasons. I've dialogued w/ several Former SDA'S. Their focus is (about) the CONTRAST between the Gospel of the Bible; & what SDA'S call their (gospel). This is deep Theological Study. The SDA' CHURCH proclaims that their Present Truth GOSPEL is not the same as Noah's Gospel, St'.Paul's Gospel, St.John's Gospel, Luther's Gospel, or Calvin's Gospel. The Former SDA'S (went,) BIG into Biblical scripture. They saw The CONTRAST'S between the True Biblical Gospel; & the SDA Present' Truth - Investigative Judgement - false (gospel). SDA Present' Truth (gospel), is The Investigative Judgement; that (started) in 1844. This is what caused the Former Brethren to do Theological (study). The Present Truth (gospel) has major problems. Eph'.1: 20, Paul writes that...He (God) raised Him from the dead, & (seated) Him at His (right hand). SEATED Him is in the (Preterite - Past) Tense. This is 3rd person singular. NOW, If your 1844 Theology is correct, (shouldn't) Eph'.1:20 READ He (will be) seated? - in the 3rd Person Singular FUTURE TENSE??We know that Paul wrote his Epistles from about 49AD to about 68 AD. NOW...IN Rom' 8:34, Paul writes...He...died...was raised (who is) at the (right hand) of God, (who intercedes for us). This is 3rd Person Singular in the Present Tense. If your 1844 Present Truth is the TRUE (gospel), Shouldn't Rom'
8:34 read - was raised {who will be} at the right hand of God (who will intercede) for us?? This is 3,rd Person Future Tense. - - DISGRUNTLED BEHAVIOR... You made your assertion of THE (disgruntled) behavior by Former Brethren against SDA'S, in your soft quiet voice you PROJECTED SDA (disgruntled) SLANDER against the Former Brethren. This ís not a fruit of the Holy Spirit. You went out of your way to Project SDA Disgruntlement toward Former Brethren. Then you PROJECTED this Disgruntled toward the Former Brethren. Now, how are you going to MAKE IT THRU (the Investigative Judgement; when you are breaking Exodus 20:16. When you Project guilt like you did, you sinned against God's Law. Remember James 2:10-12. When you break one Commandment, you've broken them all. Now that not a good was to pass the Investigative Judgement. I think that you should use a method that works; so that you don't break the 10 Commandments I'll do other Parts Later. Paz y Amor.
I didn't bother to read all this but from my personal experience all I've seen is people leave when someone in the church offends them, or they aren't getting their own way. Yes that may be theologically not getting their own way. I know of someone who thought we still have to keep the festival days and left when we didn't agree. Another left because we weren't being militant enough on women pastors for her. That doesn't change my position because neither of these ideas are biblical. And yes I know there are women pastors within our ranks now. This should show we have some theological flexibility. In my local church, the festival days man who left chose to go, we did not kick him out.
2 Cor.3:14,15,16
@@theodorechavez7058 The veil today is on the minds of evangelicals who say the Law is done away when it comes to the Sabbath but are angry when that same line of reasoning gets used by the left to justify abortion and gay marriage. I counter with Isaiah 26:12 "Lord, You will establish peace for us, For You have also done all our works in us." If Christ works a work in me who are you to call it legalism? Adventists don't teach we have to obey in our own strength. Neither do we teach our obedience is of value on its own. We teach that obedience comes after conversion and is only of value through the merits of the cross.
@@lesmillman "I didn't bother to read but ex adventists leave because they were hurt"
Wow. What a cope. If instead of appealing to emotion, a logical fallacy, you'd actually address what he said, you'd have a lot more ground to stand on. But that's a sad claim.
Why don't you adventists see how rude and judgemental it is to say things like
"You left because you were hurt by the church"
Or
"You won't follow the Sabbath because you want to do things your own way" (not saying you are saying this, but I've heard this from adventists I discuss with very frequently)
Or
"If you love God, you'll keep His commandments" (hinting at following the Sabbath, by extension meaning if I don't follow the Sabbath I don't love God)..
These comments are very rude, prideful, uncharitable, self righteous, and judgemental. You think they are arguments but they hold no validity in a logical sense. They are all fallacies, appeal to emotion, red herring, strawman, etc.
chavez, No one has yet shown anything antibiblical in SDA teachings.
Naysayers have their hearts seared, because they refuse to keep what God wrote with his own finger in stone.
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Please repent and turn to Jesus today.
You need to do more research She was not a sda she was a millerite at that time. Sda came on the sean until about 1860
When we talk of our history, we don't do it in the organizational sense as much as the theological sense. We count our beginnings spiritually as from the day after the Great Disappointment. Yes we were not an official organization until 1863 if I remember correctly.
@@lesmillman you can deny sop as much as you like as we all will answer to God in the end weather she was shown from God or not.
I am confident in my position, thank you.@@christhomas8607
@@lesmillman time will tell
When exactly did the early church stop worshipping on the seventh day and instead get corrupt and practice the first day?
The Didache
“But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned” (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).
The Letter of Barnabas
“We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead” (Letter of Barnabas 15:6-8 [A.D. 74]).
Ignatius of Antioch
“[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).
Justin Martyr
“But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead” (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).
The Didascalia
“The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [i.e., Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven” (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).
Origen
“Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection” (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).
Victorinus
“The sixth day [Friday] is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. . . . On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God or a fast. On the seventh day he rested from all his works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord’s day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews . . . which Sabbath he [Christ] in his body abolished” (The Creation of the World [A.D. 300]).
@@dustins382 Thank you
@@lesmillman you don't see how your whole video relies on the idea that the early church practiced on Saturday then somehow got corrupted to Sunday? The comments from the early fathers clearly show right away they were gathering on Sunday. Not limited to, but the resurrection day is the important day because that is our salvation.
@@dustins382 There is no Bible evidence though. They were in the upper room "for fear of the Jews" when Jesus appeared to them. They did not even believe it was Him until He ate the fish. They weren't joyfully welcoming Him back from the dead. It doesn't matter when the early church fell away. Jesus and Paul kept the Sabbath. Jesus even mentioned the Sabbath when He predicted the fall of Jerusalem, which would be in 70 AD.
@@lesmillman so St Ignatius who was taught by the Apostles, or Justin Martyr who was taught by Polycarp who was taught by the Apostles immediately started changing the day of worship and there was no controversy in the church, whereas at the same time people started teaching gnosticism and there was a lot of controversy? Doesn't make any sense historically.
Going to synagogue was just natural as Jews, but it says how Christians, including gentiles gathered on the first day. Acts 20:7. Every day Christ appeared to His disciples after the resurrection was the first day, which was Jew and gentile alike
You must know you got doochebag for a god if he can only be worshipped on one particular day
You are showing your own lack of understanding of spiritual things. The Fourth Commandment is a whole life Commandment. I am serving the Lord by going to work on a Tuesday and doing my best there just as much as when I rest on HIS holy day. Worship is a process whereby we present ourselves before Him and as we sing, pray, give offerings and hear a message he adds His Spirit and by faith it becomes an experience whereby He reveals Himself to us. Then we are broken before Him, yet we leave refreshed and renewed by the experience.
Worship therefore is a two way thing. We offer our worship but it's His revelation that really makes it of value. And He said in His Word He reveals Himself in this special way on HIS holy day. Sunday worship consists of man offering his own worship his own way. In other words, it's a worship style similar to that of Cain. We're doing God a favour by giving Him worship and the Lord owes us blessings for it.
Look for the video on my channel called 'VBS 12 God's Holy Day'. It's a two part video. Here's the link to part one. ruclips.net/video/V1Z3yt6QZ5I/видео.html
Br, if you have read "The white lie by Walter Rea then respond. Tell us if the amount of evidence here is a 🤥
I have not read Rea's book. However I have read the books I mention here in this video. In Jud Lake's "Ellen White under Fire" he has a chapter called "DM Canright, the Father of Ellen White Criticism". In there he shows how all that Rea says is a repeat of Canright. As well he tells the story of how Canright came and went a few times. In reading Canright's final rejection letter and her response, what I saw from him was an attitude of "this can't be the truth because no one can live up to it". Her response was filled with kindness. In my own church I've seen this same attitude Canright had. We can only live up to Adventism through total dependence on Jesus. That in and of itself is proof that Adventism is the truth.
Some time I plan to do a video on our 'Present Truth' doctrine. That doctrine teaches there are sincere people who do love God in every denomination. We in no way think we're better than other Christians.
@@lesmillman fair enough, bt if Ellen G material are out of human egmfoort and not inspired that's means she is a false prophet who deserves to be put to death as per Duleut 18:20-22
Again look at how the white prophesied on many occasions failed terribly. Are people suppose to live in denial by burying all these truth in the sand coz it's like late?.. All her writings need to put in a camp 🔥 and let the SDA be free
@@lesmillmanthe canright stuff is a whole other can of worms. That book I was canright's secretary was a falsified account. The granddaughter of the author of this book has come out recently with some interesting information about how that book came about.
Today I will read my Bible without the forged up glasses of Adventism. That is Freedom.
@@lesmillman you really should read the book by Walter Rae! It is important to read the books of the ones who are critical and not just the works of those who are critiquing the critics.
Is he this guy crazy England declared the to Germany no to American you confused man😂😂😢
Make your sentences reasonable and understandable and I will respond to you, but only if you have watched the whole video.
All her prophecy will still fail,no doubt with that..
Good luck with that.
@@lesmillman Already did, in 1856 on the conference of Battle Crick, what prophecy she made, Adventist? Do you think christians don't know? Truth is given on the day light, and it's light is buring adventism with holy fire.
Hebrews 7, for the re
Amen
You soud guilty n afraid!!
Not one bit of that, sorry. This video is an expression of my great confidence in God's truth. The Seventh-day Adventist Church is the Remnant church of Bible prophecy. We are called by the Lord to finish the Protestant Reformation by preaching the last truths lost during the Dark Ages.
@@jimbob1644 After the first 25 videos I had made from 2009 to 2012, my very first hater started asking me about the Shut Door, which I later made a video on and posted here. His assertion was that I was blindly following EGW. By this time I had about 400 Bible verses in all my videos and had only loosely referred to EGW statements twice. Watch every single video of mine on this channel and you will find Bible truth for everything I believe!
You are a normal Man. Keep in that way. Congratulations.
They interpret the Catholic book called Bible and announce themselves as prophets! Amazing how gullible people are!! Write books and sound Godly and, voila, you are now a prophet.
Prophets exist at every age; but we don't recognize other prophets who don't agree with our own beliefs.. All the churches who have prophets believe in their own only but no other. Advents say EGW is a prophet but Other prophets are false. The flip side of course is that they all say EGW along with all but their own are false prophets. The reason is people are stuck on their own religion and refuse to believe that God leads others in other ways according to their own light, which are considered false to all the others--real stupid ain't it?
The teachings and predictions of others don't mesh with the Bible while hers does. To accept Joseph Smith you have to accept obviously unbiblical ideas such as Christ going over to the Americas to preach after he left the disciples in Acts 1.
How marvelous it would be if Christians cease to quarrel over theological points. What harm is there if Adventists spread their message? What harm is there if Catholics continue to exist? Isn’t the Cause of Christ harmed by hatred & division among His followers?
Philippians 1:18 "What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice." Thanks for a positive comment after many weeks of me facing negative ones. It is most refreshing.
The Adventist message is a false message. It does matter. Eternity is a long time to be wrong.
@@Elizabeth-rk3do Good luck with that.
In the parable of the wise and foolish virgins Jesus said And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’"
The foolish virgins were placing their faith in their church, looking to people to validate them instead of Christ. We all need a direct connection to the Lord. Then we bring that connection with us to church. Adventists do understand this. Your use of phrasing showing that you think our faith is in the church just might be an indication you are placing your faith in yours. Evangelicals who only emphasize the individual aspect without a church to bring faith to are essentially doing the same thing. What they call their faith is really nothing more than an extension of themselves.
So you'd accept false teaching then for the sake of not quarreling?
No Audio
The problem must be on your end because it plays fine to me.
I had/have a bone to pick with White over the slavery issue... where she said the Lord was not with the south over slavery. Yet, here you say the issue was not slavery, it was about preserving the Union... ostensibly against outside forces... such as England! You are, of course, correct on thjs. But, most people today think it was slavery that was the reason for the war and it was NOT!
This was where I lost faith in her as a prophet... ultimately in the church, itself, due to their preoccupation with her writings over the scriptures. Anyone knowing me would disagree over said preoccupation, but, it's true, especially with the older members. I won't go so far as to call the church a cult, but, they do have some doctrinal issues I feel need sorting out. Even ancient Israel had it's periods of falling away, why should the "remnant" church be exempt from trial?
I think its in my video on the Seven Thunders of Revelation where I quote from Geoffery Paxton's "The Shaking of Adventism" on how we as a church have repeated the history of the entire church. So yes there may be ways in which our failings are why people call us a cult. I am here to dispel all that. I myself did not say the issue was about preserving the union. I quoted her and Roger Coon. As I believe I said here, the north was not going to win until freeing the slaves became the reason why they were fighting the war. It's an example of God intervening in history.
I ask you go to the Mark Finley message linked on the end screen where he goes to the site of the Battle of Bull Run and describes where and when the angel stood to block the minds of the northern troops. it is quite inspiring.
@@lesmillmanJesus Christ said to go into all the world and preach the gospel. The book of Revelation was not written in the lifetimes of Jesus and the apostle Paul.
What gospel did they preach?
@@Elizabeth-rk3do I believe the gospel they preached is the true gospel, what Jesus called 'this gospel' in Matthew 24:12-14. The true gospel is that when you accept Jesus, God not only gives forgiveness for the sins of your past, He also offers you power to do the right thing from that point on. This is where doctrine and good works come in to play, as an outgrowth of our faith. I explain it more fully in the following video ruclips.net/video/52mAsEqk0es/видео.html
She never endorsed slavery.
@lesmillman The gospel is in I Corinthians 15. The SDA church doesn't preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. They don't even believe that people are immortal and will spend eternity in either heaven or hell as Jesus Christ said.
They focus on keeping the Sabbath, the Investigative Judgment, the 2300 days, the National Sunday Law, and many other false teachings.
What used to scare me when I believed in protestantism was I couldn't ignore how prots do not agree on the essentials of the Gospel for our salvation, & the fact is the Bible doesn't give us an explicit list of the essentials for our salvation either.
So it shook me when I saw in the Bible said that there should be no schisms, & no divisions in the Church of Jesus, that's its a great sin to be in division, & I knew there was all kinds of divisions in Christianity, and we cannot lie as prots & say that there's no division inside of protestantism...
Then I saw St. Paul explains in 1 Corinthians 11:17-20; on why there is divisions in the church of Jesus, is bc one who is spiritually discerned will seek for the absolute truth, to not be in a false Religion, & never stop until they are in the true Religion, bc Christianity is a Religion James 1:27; but what is the true religion in Christianity, which church is teaching sound doctrine has the same from the 1st century...
So thats when I went back in church history, to learn how the books of the Bible were canonized, & how did the early Apostolic Church Fathers worship after the Apostles died on how they worshiped Jesus. So I read the Didache, & went in depth with scripture & church history 2gether as one, to follow the oral traditions, & written 2gether, as 2 Thessalonians 2:15, & 1 Corinthians 11:2; commands us to follow the oral traditions....
God bless u all on your Spiritual Journey
Thank you. I hope the Lord can use me to be of service to you. There's lots of Bible references in my videos to support the things said here.
@@lesmillman Yes I have been watching a lot of your videos on RUclips here...
@@lesmillman I personally have a hard time interrupting a lot of verses no matter how hard I pray, & when talk with Pastors I always get multiple diff answers on those scriptures...
So what I like to do is go back to antiquity, & see what was the consensus teachings of the church fathers, from the same faithful men who copied & preserved these scriptures for us, who we're entrusted to the church who all died as martyrs..
So I love to see what was always taught throughout antiquity consistently, as St. Paul says to follow the oral, & written traditions together. Bc we are not supposed to follow the traditions of men, only from the traditions of men who are taught by the Apostles, who were taught by Jesus, which were the Apostles who taught other faithful men after them...
So I love to read those church fathers, with scripture 2gether...
But thank u
God bless...
Good words in some ways @@onlylove556. However, I caution you as to the idea also. To say all modern preachers are flawed but ones 1900 years ago aren't is to look to people first. Pray to the Lord for understanding and He will be the One speaking to you. He may give you something from an old book or from someone sharing what he or she recently learned. And of course you may also come across a Bible verse that explains the one you currently find to be mysterious. And yes if I can be of service to you, that is why I am here, to help others. Jesus Christ is the real star of the Les Miller show. He is also the True Teacher of us all.
@@onlylove556 only, Jesus Christ kept the 7th day Sabbath. The Roman Catholic Church has attempted to change God's holy day to the 1st day of the week.
Who should we follow?
According to Ellen white if I don't repent from drinking green tea then I'll be going to the big barbecue
Not really. She was not about green tea. But living healthy. Green tea is a healthy tea. So not a problem. Also you have to know more of the history of that time.
God is love.
And if Adam and Eve had not repented of eating a single piece of fruit, they wouldn't be in heaven. To judge and belittle anything sinful is dangerous ground sir. To my recollection there is no direct statement saying tea is a sin. The idea of drinking healthy drinks is simply a spiritual growth issue.
@@lesmillman But that it is not healthy. We are to live healthy.
Green tea is listed today as being healthy. So no problem to drink it.
But some other teas are not healthy.
So no one is going to hell for drinking tea. But they could get sick.
@@lesmillman I did find the tea point. But in those days it was strong black tea. Herbal teas are healthy.
I needed some editing toward the end of my reply.
As you can see from my response to David Tschoepe above, here is a link to one of my other videos I ask you to watch, "Help For ExSDAs" ruclips.net/video/DAq4uBGWFKw/видео.html.
You can assert anything you want about the state of the dead. In many places in the Bible the dead are in communication with living people or even God; but there is one place, only one, where Solomon says the dead know not anything--it's better to be a living dog than a dead lion--or something like that; however, it can't be proven that we go to heaven after we die, at any time, not when we die or at some future resurrection, or anytime. You can't prove from the Bible that we go anywhere after we die, although in I Thess. $:14 Paul says that those in heaven will God bring with him when He comes, but it does not say that we go to heaven then or at any other time--God comes here bringing them with him but does not return to heaven with them. Why would he bring them here with him then go right back? It makes no sense and not Biblical.
I have a three part series here on the state of the dead which goes through somewhere close to 100 references to prove my position. Here is a link to part one: ruclips.net/video/iJyeU7rbt5g/видео.html
@@jimbob1644 this line of reasoning is shameful. How any one could see Satan as having any part in the salvation process is disgusting. That is not what we teach, only what you think we teach.
@@lesmillmanles, I want to encourage you to continue making supportive videos of the SDA faith. God raised up this church!
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While I cringe a bit at some of the inaccuracies you state, it is easy to tell that your heart is in the right place, and you are giving the information you know to the best of your ability.
God bless you!
@@earlysda Thank you. yes, I do sometimes see a few things differently but I honestly think those differences are of value.
@@lesmillmanles, not having pointed out the "cringy" parts that are antibiblical and/or anti Ellen White, you probably have no way of knowing what I'm referring to.
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Again, God bless as you do the best you can to glorify his name!
Great explanation and thank you for defending the faith
Defending Ellen White is not at all the same as defending the faith.
Revelation 12:17
Revelation 19:10
Isaiah 8:20
A false prophet.
Repent kind sir, EGW is false